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#competitive_discussion
shadow wind
shadow wind
Nah you donāt.
rustic mountain
i think if snow was better u would but its not
molten oasis
And a9 has had okay success by itself from experience
shadow wind
You do already got the Sinistcha and A9 for it though.
molten oasis
Yea unfortunately, 2 ices types is kinda sucky
rustic mountain
yea a9 solo is fine i think
shadow wind
I can see why not though.
small scaffold
https://pokepast.es/430fdf213c64646c - can anyone help fine tune anything?
molten oasis
Like we donāt have something like excadrill
shadow wind
Alolan Sandslash goes breezy.
rustic mountain
i mean u have budget ice excadrill in alolan sandslash
molten oasis
Which takes advantage of sand without sharing a whole ton of weaknesses
Sandslash sucks lol
rustic mountain
its def not good
shadow wind
Yeah he does.
molten oasis
Uhm
junior patrol
https://pokepast.es/bbf712334f32495c - This is the team I needed help with
shadow wind
Thatās the thing with ice teams.
molten oasis
Well then, not sure what to place lol
rustic mountain
i honestly dont know wat u add there drago
molten oasis
Yea I have no clue
shadow wind
Why not just put Cetitan there for a filler Mon.
rustic mountain
i was gna say weezing but it works against a lot of ur team so that was a dud and now im honestly not sure
molten oasis
hmm
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/bbf712334f32495c - This is the team I needed help with
I would replace lorb with lefties on Kommo.
molten oasis
Well, trying to think about how this struggles
shadow wind
You wanna preserve it not make it die quicker.
molten oasis
Or what teams make my life the most difficult
rustic mountain
wats like ur psyspam mu
molten oasis
Incin
shadow wind
Incin moment.
rustic mountain
just incin?
rustic mountain
yea
shadow wind
Could run like Gambit.
junior patrol
I would replace lorb with lefties on Kommo.
Any other tips like tera types for them and stuff
shadow wind
That is true.
molten oasis
Well itās alright
shadow wind
Maybe Ceruledge?
molten oasis
meh
shadow wind
Weird pick actually.
shadow wind
Any other tips like tera types for them and stuff
Maybe change psychic on Prima for Haze.
molten oasis
Uhm
shadow wind
Could always add Murkrow.
molten oasis
Bleh
shadow wind
Yeah I know he sucks.
molten oasis
Murkrow doesnāt look good on this
Especially if I chose to run haze which could be a dead moveslot
shadow wind
True.
junior patrol
Maybe change psychic on Prima for Haze.
And Terra types?
shadow wind
I honestly canāt think of anything other than Cetitan.
molten oasis
I mean Iād ping tofu but Iād probably get the āthis is badā thing so
shadow wind
And Terra types?
Tera grass on Prima maybe.
rustic mountain
if ur willing to go double dark, and double weather, ttar?
molten oasis
Uhm, actually not a terrible idea
foggy lodge
Tera fire flamethrower Kommo-O is better
Tera steel iron head was used because of Flutter
molten oasis
I love being bad into rain Archaludon
foggy lodge
But there is no Flutter rn
rustic mountain
idk how great thats gna be but yea
junior patrol
But there is no Flutter rn
So turn Kommo-O into a special sweeper?
shadow wind
I think aura sphere is the sauce
Aura sphere was second on my list.
foggy lodge
As intimidate also doesn't affect you
shadow wind
I like flash cannon too much.
junior patrol
Not sweeper
So what move should I swap for Flamethrower?
molten oasis
+2 252+ SpA Kommo-o Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 216-254 (109.6 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
+2 252+ SpA Kommo-o Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 216...
You runnin modest?
foggy lodge
Whats your kommo set
molten oasis
I want as much spA as possible
foggy lodge
Throat spray?
molten oasis
Kommo-o @ Throat Spray
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 100 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Clanging Scales
- Aura Sphere
- Clangorous Soul
- Protect
rustic mountain
have u run clefairy
shadow wind
I need to outspeed EVERYTHING!
molten oasis
A little yea
junior patrol
Whats your kommo set
What about the rest of my team?
shadow wind
Jolly Dragapult will not escape mine.
rustic mountain
maybe commit to that, cuz ur team really is boss mode kommo-o
molten oasis
Itās alright, although losing kommo-o just kinda means I lose lol
rustic mountain
i think thats why finding a 6th feels weird haha
small scaffold
is incin shiny huntable without eggs i havent played dlc yet?
rustic mountain
yea it sucks
foggy lodge
What about the rest of my team?
Give that Rillaboom wood hammer
Grassy Glide as your only grass stab is pretty bad
small scaffold
so im assuming incin is through eggs only?
foggy lodge
Harc Tera also, i think a defensive tera is better like fairy
What's the psychic coverage on Primarina for?
molten oasis
Wait
rustic mountain
i wouldnt say bad but hammer is almost a definite for alternate grass damage. especially w/ priority blockers like giraffe and terrain stuff w/ indeedees
molten oasis
Clef can be like, anti tr sorta
rustic mountain
it can yea
foggy lodge
Horoark with hyper voice, idk what's the tera normal for
rustic mountain
basically like, ur plan is how to i get kommo amped up and sweeping the opposing team and what 3 pieces let me achieve that
junior patrol
Horoark with hyper voice, idk what's the tera normal for
I hadn't decided on a tera for it yet it's why I was asking for help fine tooning the team
small scaffold
oh shiny hunting those is gonna suck
i just checked none of them seemed too bad which one were u refering to as being bad?
shadow wind
so im assuming incin is through eggs only?
No you can find them in the Indigo disk.
small scaffold
then that wont be too hard i might trade for archa tho
small scaffold
i might trade for archa sinistcha and maybe incin if i dont get litten in a few sandwhiches
small scaffold
You have to hunt the forms
which ones?
molten oasis
I think hunting the Tauros forms is gonna suck cuz I use both and think both are good
Water being better than fire
shadow wind
Min speed min attack Sinistcha was fun to get(I got Maya to breed it for me).
small scaffold
yeah taurus is painful
molten oasis
The team I have my fire guy on tho is strong and consistent
Prima just feels lackluster at times
small scaffold
oh no i forgot i have to worry about ivs
molten oasis
Bottle caps
small scaffold
then why would u need min speed?
junior patrol
Horoark with hyper voice, idk what's the tera normal for
Mind if I dm and we could try and finish the team there?
molten oasis
For clef? Iām not shiny hunting clef lol
shadow wind
then why would u need min speed?
To be uber slow!!
small scaffold
lol
ivs dont matter too much if theyre shiny cuz shiny mons do 30% more dmg anyway
shiny > ivs
molten oasis
foggy lodge
Mind if I dm and we could try and finish the team there?
Just talk here
austere iron
molten oasis
How this look?
foggy lodge
I don't like dms tbh
junior patrol
I don't like dms tbh
Fair enough it's why I asked first before just doing so
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/e1312bf77d71b55b
You dropped Volca noooo
shadow wind
How this look?
Clefairy needs friend guard and Tera grass.
foggy lodge
I just discovered that 252 speee Volca outspeeds Glimmoea
molten oasis
Volc was never there lol
molten oasis
Clefairy needs friend guard and Tera grass.
I thought I put friend guard and that on fuck
junior patrol
I don't like dms tbh
What other changes do I need to make though
shadow wind
What has the team been struggling with?
chrome knot
fuck it: pc blue screening mid bo3
dodging the most cope team possible is okay with me tbh
shadow wind
Thatās when you hop on mobile and clutch it.
chrome knot
nah i was perfectly content not continuing
shadow wind
A good excuse then.
chrome knot
shadow wind
Itās crazy how fast the Reg H ladder is moving.
I feel like the Reg G ladder didnāt move this fast.
shadow wind
That is tough.
rustic mountain
focus energy hydreigon 
shadow wind
I like wanna play more ladder but at the same time I donāt want to, you guys get that yeah?
rustic mountain
cyan smelt
Is dondozo not a thing in bo3? I feel like I've never seen it
shadow wind
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2179730988-3y0lmx030b1mww3shh...
Why did he play so bad?š
molten oasis
What has the team been struggling with?
Havenāt played it yet
shadow wind
Wasnāt talking to you but good to know.
molten oasis
Oh
molten oasis
Is dondozo not a thing in bo3? I feel like I've never seen it
People understand how to beat it so people donāt really play it all that much
nocturne holly
I like wanna play more ladder but at the same time I donāt want to, you guys get...
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preach
balmy glen
Has a Dondozo team got a high result in any of this limitless tournaments?
Nah but I can make it happen if u want
foggy lodge
No thanks
shadow wind
Like PokƩmon is fun but Archaludon is not.
foggy lodge
Im fine with this meta i think
balmy glen
LMAO
U sure man
I think I can cook a nasty 2-2-2 team or even just like something else
cyan smelt
I just mostly see dozo glim
rustic mountain
Why did he play so bad?š
haha idk
shadow wind
I just mostly see dozo glim
I love toxic stalling.
rustic mountain
cyan smelt
Is tera grass better than tera water on palafin
shadow wind
Bro acted like he had specs Murkrow.
Case by case.
I find Tera water better cause anything you hit then dies.
molten oasis
1400ās with the kommo-o stuff
cyan smelt
Nice
foggy lodge
Gooood
molten oasis
And then lost it to copium kyogre
shadow wind
Kyogre?
cyan smelt
Why are Blastoise and hisuian decidueye so popular
balmy glen
Why are Blastoise and hisuian decidueye so popular
Walmart kyogre copium and Scrappy gaming
shadow wind
Why are Blastoise and hisuian decidueye so popular
I donāt think Iāve seen a single Blastoise.
cyan smelt
I don't see anybody using flamigo though, is it just because of triple arrows?
shadow wind
Ah ok.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
foggy lodge
Follow me wujuu
shadow wind
Shell smash water spout ā¼ļøā¼ļø
nocturne holly
Inner focus ape š this is not real
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2179740428-kgxxua1v8nr4uope82f89y4ee9nk16jpw
wen they dont take 2kos t1: 
cyan smelt
Blastoise when it sees a rillaboom
rustic mountain
molten oasis
The strategy is shut down by
cyan smelt
I've seen that perserrker gholdengo team in some of the games I've played, looks annoying
molten oasis
Wide guard, taunt, haze
cyan smelt
Oops some of the games I've watched
molten oasis
Fuck you gallade
shadow wind
Gallade gaming.
rustic mountain
I've seen that perserrker gholdengo team in some of the games I've played, looks...
i handled it pretty easily but yea i guess depending on team comp it might be. seems pretty gimmicky
balmy glen
Blastoise when it sees a rillaboom
Nah Iād just blast through it
rustic mountain
perserker jus sucks
shadow wind
He makes for cool gimmick teams but yeah, he does.
bold geode
Tf does Blastoise got going?
bold geode
Lmao
molten oasis
Tf does Blastoise got going?
Spout
rustic mountain
budget kyogre
molten oasis
Thatās it, didnāt expect spout to do 88% to kommo-o but I bet it was specs and it Tera water so
I could have played it better, still irritated lol
bold geode
I'm tryna get the right 6th for this P2 Ursa team
Primarina was feeling good, but someone was like "fix your MausApe MU more" or whatever which is already a MU you can't fix
And also peeps saying Primarina is mid cuz it's not MausApe or Archaludon
balmy glen
Outplayed tbh
balmy glen
Thatās it, didnāt expect spout to do 88% to kommo-o but I bet it was specs and i...
Had to be in rain right
molten oasis
Already applied that ty
molten oasis
Had to be in rain right
Murkrow clicked rain dance
balmy glen
Goat
molten oasis
I played it bad thatās on me
rustic mountain
I'm tryna get the right 6th for this P2 Ursa team
Primarina was feeling good, bu...
how do u need to fix mausape mu w/ ursa and p2
molten oasis
The gallade game I Teraād too early on sini and blew up to gallade and indeedee late game
bold geode
It wasn't great the uh MausApe Arch MU
Then again how DO you fix that MU?
rustic mountain
It wasn't great the uh MausApe Arch MU
Then again how DO you fix that MU?
ursa p2 seems good for both modes no?
r they like beat up stamina boosting immediately or something
bold geode
Yeah they figure it out bro lmao
rustic mountain
ahhh ok haha
bold geode
Also Ursaluna does not OHKO Arch at neutral anyways
foggy lodge
I had a Ursa P2 team but i don't think it had anything for Mausape lol
rustic mountain
Also Ursaluna does not OHKO Arch at neutral anyways
even w/ orb active?
bold geode
I had Primarina and it felt alright but once again it has mid allegations so I'm looking at alternatives
bold geode
even w/ orb active?
Deadass yes
foggy lodge
Araquanid?
rustic mountain
Deadass yes
bold geode
If it Tera Grass right
Facade literally does not get it
Like 84-99.5%
rustic mountain
ohhh facade
im thinkin ur saying headlong doesnt get there if they dont tera im like no way haha
neutral i thought u meant no defense boosts
bold geode
Well I mean they usually always tera in front of shroom or Ursa so
And you CAN'T BRING INCIN TO THAT MATCH
foggy lodge
How many One Hit Knock Out screens will Ursaluna have in the first regional of reg H
bold geode
Anyways I saw 3 people run Dragapult with this in one tour, is Dragapult just the play as the 6th tf
molten oasis
Hmm, finding kommo-o to lack on killing power lol
austere iron
Anyways I saw 3 people run Dragapult with this in one tour, is Dragapult just th...
among the highest base speed for Reg H (#3)
molten oasis
God dammit what Mon do I wanna play
austere iron
so that might be why.
molten oasis
That isnāt just lackluster
rustic mountain
If it Tera Grass right
Facade literally does not get it
Like 84-99.5%
need to get like hh in there haha
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
I literally calcād my Kommo to outspeed it at +1.
That was a lot of invest though.
molten oasis
hm
The things I like for a team really pop out in restricted
Like, support the main guy to do big damage is my main playstyle
shadow wind
King style team.
molten oasis
however, thatās proving hard to find, that isnāt dengo, and I like dengo, Iād also like to not only play dengo for 5-6 months lol
shadow wind
Armarouge Psyspam follows that fairly well.
molten oasis
Zacian im willing to play that much cuz i saw potential in it and still think its alright
molten oasis
Armarouge Psyspam follows that fairly well.
No lol
Not that youāre wrong
I hate playing psyspam
molten oasis
I donāt like how limited your team options become playing psyspam either
molten oasis
Maybe body press iron defense Kommo?
Donāt like getting walled by ghosts, like dengo
Maybe but eh
Iāve thought about volc but rain is so dominant so Iām unsure
shadow wind
Could do sand Volc.
atomic mural
speaking of psyspam how do you counter an indeedee using follow me and any trick room user using trick room or is that just impossible
molten oasis
Why is volc being paired with sand?
bold geode
I see people running fuckin P2 Bloodmoon Ursaluna 
molten oasis
Just incin isnāt a great psyspam answer
shadow wind
Why is volc being paired with sand?
It can cover some of the weaknesses of sand teams like ice and grass.
molten oasis
Especially since people are picking up on gallade
shadow wind
Just incin isnāt a great psyspam answer
Ok well thatās just wrong but Gallade is a problem.
rustic mountain
speaking of psyspam how do you counter an indeedee using follow me and any trick...
usually either overriding terrain via rilla and using fake out and protect or some dark type like incin/hydreigon/ttar that can nullify the psyspam and stall out tr turns with positive damage trades. basically u gotta play ur way outta tr and not lose many resources by the time it expires. and u dont want to let them set it up again so there are some things u gta do to set up for that
molten oasis
That is NOT what I said
chrome knot
Ok well thatās just wrong but Gallade is a problem.
me when the armarouge is teched to outspeed common incin speed tiers and hits it with a rock
bold geode
P2 Bloodmoon don't sound horrible now come to think of it
Special attacker
molten oasis
I said incin isnāt a great answer by itself that doesnāt mean itās not an option
austere iron
so who tryna cook up a Calyrex-Shadow team? 
chrome knot
a little late
rustic mountain
most of us are on reg h atm
molten oasis
Caly clef incin rilla torn shifu yw
austere iron
man
craggy dagger
me when the armarouge is teched to outspeed common incin speed tiers and hits it...
me when armarouge is teched to outspeed your standard incin speed tiers and misses the spacial beam of rocks
chrome knot
me when armarouge is teched to outspeed your standard incin speed tiers and miss...
thas an issYOU
austere iron
Caly clef incin rilla torn shifu yw
what is the yw?
molten oasis
Your welcome
craggy dagger
thas an issYOU
austere iron
bruh
molten oasis
shadow wind
thas an issYOU
More like missyou amiright?
austere iron
atomic mural
usually either overriding terrain via rilla and using fake out and protect or so...
I wish I could do that but im just too bad to win
molten oasis
Anyway time to scroll the builder
rustic mountain
I wish I could do that but im just too bad to win
i mean its something u gta practice and figure out
austere iron
Caly clef incin rilla torn shifu yw
funny enough I prepped a caly team with 5 of those. but idk how I felt about it tbh. clef being the one left out.
molten oasis
Try it with clef
shadow wind
Clef is good for TR.
chrome knot
<a:CatBite:1011777005085266030>
austere iron
what's the strat?
shadow wind
After you allows you to fight in TR.
molten oasis
Clef is good for keeping caly alive
solid frigate
what did i miss
molten oasis
Someone wants a caly team and Iām lost on what to use
chrome knot
kiss ur opponents gn
rustic mountain
reg g feels like a distant memory
molten oasis
Real
rustic mountain
it feels good being able to protect again
craggy dagger
<a:KissuNose:692926171771568149>
hisssssss
molten oasis
Thatās also always lurking as we know
austere iron
going to a locals for the first time this weekend so im gonna take the Caly n see what happens.
molten oasis
Good luck
craggy dagger
kiss ur opponents gn
rustic mountain
Thatās also always lurking as we know
its fine haha i actually dont mind reg g, ive played worse formats
austere iron
aww man, the timer didn't let me send a gif.
solid frigate
Someone wants a caly team and Iām lost on what to use
isnāt like the best formula is Incin Bolt with Follow Me User
molten oasis
Reg d 
craggy dagger
Reg d <:ShifuCry:1228974721849360415>
huh?
molten oasis
Reg d sucked
craggy dagger
oh worst formats in history-
yeah
rustic mountain
reg d was not that bad
solid frigate
it was just all of a Sudden
molten oasis
Whatās worse than reg g then
austere iron
nah it sucked. I despise flutter mane
rustic mountain
series 6 in swsh
chrome knot
nova why u no likey nose boopy
molten oasis
What about in this gen?
solid frigate
nah it sucked. I despise flutter mane
thats like Reg B-G
craggy dagger
nova why u no likey nose boopy
emma istg youāre blind
molten oasis
I didnāt play SWSH so I wouldnāt know
chrome knot
emma istg youāre blind
??????
molten oasis
Next, uh, April or may probably
chrome knot
wtfffff
solid frigate
double restricteds when? <a:blankie:1029215221379780628>
after Reg I i think
Cuz Reg I is Back to single Restricted
molten oasis
chrome knot
dummy <a:KissuNose:692926171771568149>
so stinkity
molten oasis
At least we get a break
craggy dagger
so stinkity
i just took a shower what 
unless you donāt like the smell of oranges-
rustic mountain
What about in this gen?
id prolly go like series 2>reg f>series 1 > reg c > reg e > reg g > reg d
molten oasis
Series 2 as the best?
rustic mountain
yea
austere iron
I wonder why they switched from numbers to letters.
solid frigate
id prolly go like series 2>reg f>series 1 > reg c > reg e > reg g > reg d
reg F is really nice honestly
craggy dagger
series 2 was fun 
chrome knot
unless you donāt like the smell of oranges-
ur stinkity for sure
molten oasis
Personally Iād say reg f but I also just, sucked at the time of series 2 lol
rustic mountain
yea i think reg f could be up there just my opinion i really enjoyed series 2 a lot especially towards the end
molten oasis
Fair enough
craggy dagger
ur stinkity for sure
look whoās speaking 
rustic mountain
I wonder why they switched from numbers to letters.
i think to make the series and seasons less confusing for people since both were numbered
molten oasis
Iād say, reg f > reg c > reg e > series 2 > reg g > series 1 > reg d
I hated series 1, but I was also new
chrome knot
reg h > g > f > e
rustic mountain
i also had giraffe on that team
craggy dagger
who took her meds and will be crashing out any moment
move over then-
molten oasis
Oh reg h would be my number 1 for sure
chrome knot
move over then-
what tf why
molten oasis
I like the format, Iām just lost atm
rustic mountain
reg h isnt official so i didnt count that
molten oasis
Fair
rustic mountain
also like just started i could hate it by the end 
craggy dagger
what tf why
chrome knot
reg g is good when u dont got someone bitching in ur ear abt how its bad
like a nice little caesars pizza
craggy dagger
reg g is good when u dont got someone bitching in ur ear abt how its bad
reg g sucks ass wym /tease
solid frigate
Reg F>Reg C>Reg E>Reg H>Reg G>Reg D
Havenāt played Reg A and B
spiral ridge
ive been having fun on reg G, theres some annoying shit but its been fun to play
rustic mountain
idt any format is bad per say in sv but theres quite a few others i prefer more then reg g
spiral ridge
ive been having way too much fun with gallade im ngl
chrome knot
reg g sucks ass wym /tease
solid frigate
idt any format is bad per say in sv but theres quite a few others i prefer more ...
its not that bad is that People really evolve that fastd
austere iron
People will always hate on the active formats. so who is one to say that any format is genuinely bad?
solid frigate
D
molten oasis
Reg gās fun Iām just bad at fighting CSR
rustic mountain
its not that bad is that People really evolve that fastd
thats how meta games progress
chrome knot
jpn balance reg f was awful
solid frigate
thats how meta games progress
exactly
spiral ridge
jpn balance?
rustic mountain
jpn balance?
rilla/incin/urshi/lando i/pao and bolt
chrome knot
fwg bolt pao lando i
chrome knot
annnnd we cant be friends suddenly wtf
molten oasis
I played it once understood why it was strong and played other stuff lol
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
rilla/incin/urshi/lando i/pao and bolt
ah so just lots of heavy hitters with some util
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
Bolt doesnāt die dude lol
chrome knot
cycle mode & calm mind
rustic mountain
it wasnt just calm mind but yea that was a mode for the team
chrome knot
fake out calm mind parting shot protect fake out calm mind u turn MAYBE attack fake out calm mind view boardstate mayne urshifu attack calm mind
spiral ridge
so basically they just found a pattern of moves that was super fucking hard to deal with
chrome knot
fake out cycling been known
spiral ridge
that fs
solid frigate
who Needs support when you have Incin and Rilla fake out cycling
rustic mountain
u could def capitalize off passive play if players are doing that over and over
spiral ridge
just the other mon to the side
rustic mountain
if ur good u subvert that and do shit different and win
spiral ridge
was tehre many good ghost types to deal with all the FO?
rustic mountain
cuz the cycling can be so obvious to good players in most cases
ghost tera was around
chrome knot
<:VodkaHug:895776420465356841>
rustic mountain
wasnt like the de facto tera choice
spiral ridge
wait its reg F wtf am i saying-
i played that reg š
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
CGR go brrr and cloak terap
rustic mountain
cloak terapagos? whose running that still
rustic mountain
i think a little bit early reg g yea
molten oasis
Well, yea
rustic mountain
terapagos has fallen off a cliff i feel like recently
spiral ridge
good i found them just not fun to face
molten oasis
People werenāt really on specs initially
spiral ridge
yeah it was calm mind
molten oasis
terapagos has fallen off a cliff i feel like recently
I think the CSR players just found the power of urshifu lol
atomic mural
terapagos has fallen off a cliff i feel like recently
molten oasis
So the Pagos always had to break through shifu, which could be rough
Plus nothing stops CSR from draining kiss spam
rustic mountain
I think the CSR players just found the power of urshifu lol
nah i think it was ppl reinventing how csr was played
the cm cloak stuff just kinda invalidated pagos
molten oasis
True yea
And to this day idk how to beat it
Good thing I wonāt try to learn for 5ish months
rustic mountain
weird how worlds will influence the meta, just in 5 months
solid frigate
So the Pagos always had to break through shifu, which could be rough
thereās a reason why i always have Bolt with it
molten oasis
Weāll see
craggy dagger
CGR go brrr and cloak terap
CGR?
did i miss a new calyrex rider form?
OH
GHOST RIDER
molten oasis
thereās a reason why i always have Bolt with it
Ah draining kiss fodder
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
I COULDNT REMEMBER IF IT WAS GHOST OR SHADOW
spiral ridge
i had it as CSR then second guessed and edited it š
spiral ridge
im so fucking bad with names
craggy dagger
csr this csr that
cir this cit that
solid frigate
Ah draining kiss fodder
craggy dagger
stfu about the csr and cir for god sake
rustic mountain
molten oasis
So anyway
I might focus on finding stuff that pairs well with a9
I think a9ās a good support
Maybe that way Iāll find something worth messing with (cope)
atomic mural
can you guys just say the full pokemons name
molten oasis
No
rustic mountain
alolan ninetales is a9
solid frigate
Deal with it
atomic mural
ok but some are not needed
rustic mountain
is that really for u to decide?
spiral ridge
alolan ninetales is pretty long
atomic mural
is that really for u to decide?
no
rustic mountain
a lot of players just shorten it to make talkin about stuff easier, it adds up to have to type out full mons names everytime ur talkin about em
solid frigate
and even in like Short Notes you use those Abbreviations
rustic mountain
jus pick up on them as ur here. theres not too many that are actually relevant
most are pretty easy to guess
solid frigate
Honestly just deal with it
rustic mountain
no need to be harsh about it, i think they are just trying to learn
austere iron
a lot of players just shorten it to make talkin about stuff easier, it adds up t...
to be fair, some people may not always know what an abreviation could be.
shadow wind
See then you get some weird ones like Gchomp and everyone is lost.
rustic mountain
doesnt mean u gta listen to what they are asking but yea
rustic mountain
to be fair, some people may not always know what an abreviation could be.
hence me saying just ask
shadow wind
Iām trying to think of the weirdest abbreviations Iāve seen.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
See then you get some weird ones like Gchomp and everyone is lost.
just mame it Chomp
shadow wind
Ice types canāt be frozen?
molten oasis
yea
shadow wind
Learn something new every day I guess.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
Gas typing.
rustic mountain
eats arch for breakfast too
molten oasis
shadow wind
Best we got now is Mamo.
molten oasis
yea bro my ground options are like, mamo, or an ursa, or garchomp ig
shadow wind
Mamoswine is pretty good.
rustic mountain
mamo has a horrible time into arch's usual partners
molten oasis
both ursa's kinda need tr tho so i think they're off the table
solid frigate
Chomp kinda sucked when Grassy Terrain Nerfs EQ for some reason
shadow wind
mamo has a horrible time into arch's usual partners
Mamo just has a bad time.
molten oasis
mamo mid
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
rustic mountain
ice/ground is incredible offensively its just honestly so bad defensively
molten oasis
well, do the ursas need trick room that badly?
solid frigate
well, do the ursas need trick room that badly?
BM not too much
Regular yes
molten oasis
wait, hear me out
shadow wind
2 resists is pitiful.
molten oasis
calm mind bloodmoon
shadow wind
People run it.
molten oasis
shadow wind
Usually with grassy seed.
rustic mountain
i say no
rustic mountain
u could try it, seems bad off rip
shadow wind
But specs and AV backed by one move? Win/win to meā¦
rustic mountain
big advantage of bm ursa is its immediate damage. u could try cm on a balance comp but im not really sold on it on paper
shadow wind
I love being quad weak to steel!
molten oasis
fire tauros
rustic mountain
give it a shot tho idk i could b wrong
molten oasis
sure
spiral ridge
so dengo is immeiately a threat to a9, gambit and archa too
why gambit?
molten oasis
might as well cuz im lost lol
molten oasis
why gambit?
iron head a9 go bye bye
and i dont run protect so FO+iron head removes my weather control encore and screens
spiral ridge
thats to a9 not gambit? im confused
solid frigate
BM ursa sounds the best rn
molten oasis
im looking for stuff that works well with a9
and covers its weaknesses, as weird as that sounds since its kinda reverse from normal
spiral ridge
ahh ok
molten oasis
where you center around something offensive
spiral ridge
uhhh a follow me user?
molten oasis
too passive off rip
spiral ridge
oh uh
shadow wind
Tera ground Cetitan.
molten oasis
thats desperate
shadow wind
Trust.
spiral ridge
talonflame, tailwind T1 and so a9 is faster for at least one screen
rustic mountain
wats w/ u and cetitan haha
spiral ridge
plus fire typing for dengo
molten oasis
baxy at that point would be better lol
molten oasis
talonflame, tailwind T1 and so a9 is faster for at least one screen
again too passive
shadow wind
I think itās a funny PokĆ©mon and I used it on a first draft of my current team.
spiral ridge
cant threaten a fire type move for it to not be too passive?
shadow wind
Honestly it didnāt disappoint.
spiral ridge
that and brave bird for anything
rustic mountain
yea i think it was hard enough to use in series 1 i dont think its any better now
molten oasis
well btw i dont need to lead a9
spiral ridge
what is talonflame attack stat actually
molten oasis
honestly i dont plan to lead it ever lol
spiral ridge
oh ok
shadow wind
what is talonflame attack stat actually
85?
molten oasis
unless its free screens and i need them
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
cant lead due to peli being hard meta lol
rustic mountain
cant lead due to peli being hard meta lol
i feel like thats part of the issue, back screens feels bad man
solid frigate
not that High
In gen 6 it does not matter cuz Brave Bird is always +1 and with Choice Band
spiral ridge
yeah
spiral ridge
honestly
rustic mountain
molten oasis
cuz my playstyle sucks ass in this format
spiral ridge
you could lead it with just any offensive mon and just like, sash or something, cus they would heavily regret doubling into you
if you do lead it that is
rustic mountain
reg h is cool i think ur just fixating on things that many not be the greatest. sometimes its cool to move on and accept something isnt there
solid frigate
i suddenly want restricted back
Reg Hās Only problem is that some pokemon you think it looks good its not allowed in this format lmao
molten oasis
ok but ive looked at like 4 or 5 things now
shadow wind
*cuz my playstyle sucks ass in this format*
I used to think that as well but then I found a groove with a fun team.
I think you just need to find that team.
shadow wind
I will say that shifting from Reg G to H was very very difficult.
No more big guy to protect.
molten oasis
that and the things i like are always outclassed, what can you do ig
spiral ridge
drago if you feel frustrated from choosing wrong all the time maybe just leave that part alone and do some meta shit? so you can feel on class as otehrs ig
shadow wind
that and the things i like are always outclassed, what can you do ig
Personally I pull some of the things I like about certain Pokemon and find ways to fit them into meta teams.
rustic mountain
i find it good to play other teams not only cuz i yoink em but i understand them in a way i wouldnt otherwise and can honestly have a lot of fun with ones i didnt think i would. i think in ur case tho doing that and then having a better understanding of what things those teams lose to and then utilize that to inform your teambuilding could be helpful
molten oasis
ive played archa rain and mausape, its so boring lol
spiral ridge
fair š
atomic mural
ive played archa rain and mausape, its so boring lol
https://pokepast.es/1c899924be2829f2 I play epic araquanid team (thank you for the idea)
gentle cragBOT
https://pokepast.es/1c899924be2829f2 I play epic araquanid team (thank you for t...
cornyplays has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
spiral ridge
i tried a sunroom team and dropped 200 points and just felt so dumb cus i couldnt for the life of me understand the team then my friend just picked it up and showed me how easy a team it should be lmao
i just stick to my gallade team š
molten oasis
glad you got that working
spiral ridge
prob do need to learn how to play those teams at least
shadow wind
I think day 1 of Reg H I made probably 7 different teams before settling on my initial idea.
molten oasis
well, thing is i dont have any like, main things i wanna try
solid frigate
ive played archa rain and mausape, its so boring lol
what about sun?
molten oasis
prima baxtales kommo-o have all felt lackluster
molten oasis
what about sun?
i dont really wanna play the archetype that loses tot he best thing in the format
shadow wind
Kommo really?
molten oasis
spiral ridge
i tried a sunroom team and dropped 200 points and just felt so dumb cus i couldn...
tbf this was because i faced multiple just incin peli cycle where i was always -2 š and in rain
shadow wind
Iāve felt heās been a big help out on the field.
molten oasis
Kommo really?
cant do shit wihtout set up and even with set up fails to pick up kills
solid frigate
i dont really wanna play the archetype that loses tot he best thing in the forma...
then honestly just donāt play any weather
molten oasis
tbf this happens like, every reg, it takes me a long time to find something i really want to show is good
and what i find has potential
shadow wind
cant do shit wihtout set up and even with set up fails to pick up kills
Yeah I guess I usually have helping hand or Boom burst to further the damage or just pick up the KOs afterwards.
molten oasis
mhmm
shadow wind
Why not use Tox then?
solid frigate
its just Snow probably isnāt the right time
molten oasis
when is snow ever in the right time, Tyo got the PERFECT opportunity to play it
that and tyo's really good at playing snow
damn tree's writing an essay lol
rustic mountain
i think kommo is good maybe just have to reimagine the team around it. trying to make multiple more niche picks work is always going to be a major uphill battle and most times isnt gna result in the best team. i think trying to find that middle ground there is important. ur also opting for a more niche set too on an already niche pick. u see how it could accumulate into net negatives? thats why before im saying maybe ditching stuff like a9 is good u can better focus on something that maybe isnt all in on the kommo
molten oasis
i dont like IDBP thats why i play scales lol
being completely walled by ghost types has not ever been something i've liked dealing with
shadow wind
i think kommo is good maybe just have to reimagine the team around it. trying to...
Not focusing all in on Kommo is the point of Bdrum.
At least in my experience.
molten oasis
those teams are weak to haze
but tbf if you kill the haze guy things are usually ok
shadow wind
Yeah and you find ways to deal with haze.
rustic mountain
yea i just think like the particular nature of what u like or dont like mostly limits your options in teambuilding and what your willing to opt for. not even that idbp is 100% the move but to not try it? idk like i jus think thats a rough thing to overcome as both a player and teambuilder. you gotta be able to adjust even to things u may not love, if it means winning. for you i think u draw a line in the sand and dont give things a chance that you may come around to
shadow wind
Toxtricity was my answer to that, Primarina, Palafin, Murkrow. All of the current hazers are weak to electric.
molten oasis
i think most of what you're saying is true tree, maybe doing that is a good idea, still
solid frigate
i was gonna say Murkrow but everyone here hates it
torn parrot
im so hyped for world championships in 2 days
shadow wind
Iām cheering for Groudon.
molten oasis
im also seeing everyone else climb with, stuff, and im lagging behind, feels bad man
solid frigate
im so hyped for world championships in 2 days
Iām streaming it in my Server but eh maybe Iāll watch it here
solid frigate
Iām cheering for Groudon.
honestly Terapagos wouldnāt be in Finals but i wanna see if itās gonna be in Top Cut
Rooting For Miraidon
torn parrot
im cheering for random tinkaton team that manages to win
rustic mountain
i mean its up to u obviously what u do at the end of the day, but i just feel like hitting the wall is ofc really frustrating and being able to try things that get u there shouldnt feel bad if its boring or w/e. getting the wins nets u the experience thats then needed to give u better more informed decisions on how to best approach the meta. it really comes full circle but u gta go thru the steps first
molten oasis
zac, always
mighty stump
yea i just think like the particular nature of what u like or dont like mostly l...
based
molten oasis
mm, sure, ig
solid frigate
honestly if thereās no Calyrex in Top cut then something feels wrong lol
molten oasis
im in no place to disagree tbf
shadow wind
Honestly if itās only Calyrex in top cut I wonāt be shocked.
molten oasis
nothing's fucking worked the past 2 weeks
ig there's one thing that has but it still feels like it has problems
solid frigate
idk but what wins Worlds would imoact Reg I cuz thats the main target
shadow wind
Every team has issues, there isnāt one single team that is perfect.
I think you gotta build off what has worked for you and find your groove.
molten oasis
ik that but its more outlying issues not like, oh my mu into this relies on my play
molten oasis
I think you gotta build off what has worked for you and find your groove.
k but the thing is barely anything has
mighty stump
If Terapagos wins >>>
molten oasis
i want my dog back lol
shadow wind
If Kyogre wins I never play this game again.
Hopefully all the Miraidon scared em off.
mighty stump
If Kyogre wins I never play this game again.
Crystal Rain has like
A 70 something performance rate
Its kinda up there
shadow wind
š
mighty stump
Hahaha
solid frigate
If Kyogre wins I never play this game again.
Kyogre is just the guy here
shadow wind
Itās over.
mighty stump
@molten oasis I think the problem is that this is a really skill based generation
Like
shadow wind
Itās Kyovre š
mighty stump
You can have perfect teams
But at best/worst your matchups are gonna be 60/40 or vice versa favour
Learning your lines is so key
Plus matchup roulette
molten oasis
my boxes, admittedly small and my kommo-o stuff is not there lol
trash was just, slapped together and taped together lol
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> I think the problem is that this is a really skill based g...
isnt the game heavily skill based in general?
molten oasis
Learning your lines is so key
i mean ive done this before
im also in the early stages of finding what i really want to play
which i havent
i have 1 complete team ik how to play and the focus is lackluster
next stump
i hope kyogre wins š
solid frigate
Kyogre wins nobody Would be too mad
Except for Groudon and Rayquaza Fans
molten oasis
no one's wrong, and i understand that fs, still just, idk man
that looked worse than i thought i feel like im spinning in a circle
torn parrot
my boxes, admittedly small and my kommo-o stuff is not there lol
im on "untitled 707" š
forest arrow
Cir š„³
molten oasis
not really like, breaking that, and figuring things out
rotating back to "idk what to do" and "idk what to play" if that make's sense
mighty stump
isnt the game heavily skill based in general?
Definitely
Im just saying the level of play is much higher than before
molten oasis
so i picked the worst gen to start then
forest arrow
Would you expect any less of me?
molten oasis
or the best (cope)
mighty stump
so i picked the worst gen to start then
Not necessarily
The gen you start in is the best gen to start
craggy dagger
The gen you start in is the best gen to start
yep
especially if you started to fully get invested in pokemon in that gen
molten oasis
format feels like a coin flip coming off of reg g
craggy dagger
cause youāll be a lot more familiar with the gimmicks from that gen
molten oasis
very different very hard, for me, to build in since i lack some of the knowledge from reg a stuff
craggy dagger
iām still living in swsh era partly hence why most of my teambuilding is everywhere 
craggy dagger
back in swsh, dynamax stopped urshifu, tornogre was the meta
too bad itās tornshifu now
molten oasis
maybe the play is to play meta learn what they're weak to then try building niche
although, i also feel like i already know what the stuff is weak to, or isnt in archa's case
cyan smelt
i'm over archaludon
craggy dagger
maybe the play is to play meta learn what they're weak to then try building nich...
well thatās what you usually do when you try to learn the meta
molten oasis
i still feel like i know how to handle the meta
craggy dagger
plus using the meta means youāll understand standard sets better too
molten oasis
i think im probably too tunnel visioned
craggy dagger
welllā¦
i wouldnāt say too tunnel visioned-
i feel like you worry about too much when you try to fit the 5th and 6th mon and you start to think that you need to find the absolute perfect mon that covers all your needs at once from what youāre missing on your team-
so-
tunnel visioned on trying to find the perfect 5th and 6th?
you donāt seem to have much trouble finding the first 4
and are relatively open minded about the first 4 you pick out
molten oasis
thats true yea
atomic mural
craggy dagger
itās okay to have holes and gaps on your team
thereāll always be absolute hard counters you canāt to burn g against or sometimes you might have the perfect advantage because you have those holes and gaps on your team
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179778232-xniwt1u098zi7je...
recover wasn't necessary t3
probably could have just attacked i think
molten oasis
itās okay to have holes and gaps on your team
<:RobinShrug:1220551396693381220> ...
yea, probaby right
well you are
rustic mountain
back in swsh, dynamax stopped urshifu, tornogre was the meta
urshifu was built for dmax haha it was meta af
torn parrot
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179778232-xniwt1u098zi7je...
you got this fam dont give up š š
torn parrot
i think im probably too tunnel visioned
maybe your caring too much about making something perfect
just try doing something stupid and have fun
š«
mighty stump
Yeah I donāt think there is ever perfection in Pokemon
Cause even if you play perfectly
You can still lose to sheer chance
molten oasis
idt that concept has clicked for me
craggy dagger
urshifu was built for dmax haha it was meta af
i mean-
if it didnāt dynamax then uhh
the double go would allow you to take the crits pretty well
atomic mural
i think im probably too tunnel visioned
thats my biggest issue
mighty stump
Even perfect sets will fade with time and rule changes
Celebrate the current glory, chase for more later
craggy dagger
You can still lose to sheer chance
i would say that this game i played against a friend would explain that well
like
my team is ass and isnāt EVd for shit-
(these were placeholders at the time)
and my friend had a pretty solid teamā¦
they lost cause rng was on my side
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2179745524
molten oasis
why do people go afk before the game even starts lol
mighty stump
i would say that this game i played against a friend would explain that well
lik...
This is also a reason why one off matches arenāt something I do against mad randoms. It never proves anything and ends up either feeding their ego or they just get more upset with little to no gain for me
Long term consistency is the biggest indicator of player quality
Like just because I beat Wolfe one time doesnāt make me World Champion
craggy dagger
yeah!
and iām not a good example of that
i spend too much time making new teams i never really get to play them-
i feel like thatās my biggest weakness?
i just need to settle on a team and try playing it a lot so that i can actually do stuff rather than just make up theorized teams that never get work after like 2-3 games
mighty stump
I mean
Is that a weakness, or are you just playing how you enjoy?
Cause thatās two different things
craggy dagger
well
i do enjoy making a lot of teams but i feel like im not getting as much battle experience as i would need/like
since iām always too busy in team builder
wispy spade
what's the best goldengo counter in h?
mighty stump
In a strict 1v1 situation, Kingambit or Incineroar
But youāll have to keep in mind Gholdengoās friends
wispy spade
molten oasis
scope lense hydrei is fun
mighty stump
Yeah, Hydreigon with Heat Wave/Snarl can also be useful, but it does have to eat those strong MIR hits
AV is nice as well
wispy spade
MIR?
craggy dagger
what's the best goldengo counter in h?
in a 2v2 situation, you could consider maybe your own dengo or annihilape?
but like tofu said, it does depend on dengoās partner too
molten oasis
make it rain
wispy spade
ah
mighty stump
Alternatively, attempting to be faster you can run something like Meowscarada to threaten it.
Fast/Strong Knock Offs can be useful
Otherwise, Wide Guard can be something to consider
craggy dagger
i kinda like how if you use a grass move or dark move in a protean meow, it just picks the type you used-
mighty stump
More niche options inclue Bulletproof Kommo-O/Chesnaught with Tera Fire/Steel
craggy dagger
it gets rid of the 4x problem
mighty stump
But unfortunately both arenāt very good at hitting Gholdengo back
wispy spade
i kinda like how if you use a grass move or dark move in a protean meow, it just...
use fire punch to resist make it rain 
craggy dagger
More niche options inclue Bulletproof Kommo-O/Chesnaught with Tera Fire/Steel
naught would be there to be more of a support for your ally to poke at dengo rather than using it directly to damage dengo right-?
gentle cragBOT
Result: 187.500000
molten oasis
scarf charizard, thats why
craggy dagger
scarf charizard, thats why
lmao
molten oasis
thats lame cuz i was fine otherwise
craggy dagger
can i just say what the fuck
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Tera Fire Charizard Heat Wave vs. 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina in Sun: 113-133 (63.8 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
shadow wind
Do weather ball.
craggy dagger
even without tera fire
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Overheat vs. 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina in Sun: 155-183 (87.5 - 103.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
it has a chance to ohko prim
shadow wind
Because youāre caring.
molten oasis
unnecesary switch, read 3 turns completely wrong
molten oasis
Because youāre caring.
turning off my brain does not help ive tried
im gonna care cuz i want to win and improve
shadow wind
Itās a not brain off situation itās an attitude situation.
Yeah but if you care too much and try to play perfect youāll overlook simple safer plays.
The opponent is a RNG, nothing they do is guaranteed.
molten oasis
i played safe, i made poor calls
wispy spade
even without tera fire
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Overheat vs....
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Tera Fire Chandelure Overheat vs. 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina: 169-199 (95.4 - 112.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
am i doing this correctly?
i forgot sun
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flash Fire Tera Fire Chandelure Overheat vs. 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina in Sun: 253-298 (142.9 - 168.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
tera fire tera blast on prima is something
solid frigate
Isnāt like most Chandelure run Tera Grass
wispy spade
solid frigate
unnecessary Croissant Salamence
craggy dagger
why am i playing like shit dude
cause itās late in the night?
atomic mural
why am i playing like shit dude
me everyday
craggy dagger
unnecessary Croissant Salamence
unnecessary calc incoming
+6 252+ SpA Solar Power Tera Fire Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Helping Hand Atk Cheer with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Inferno Overdrive (220 BP) vs. -6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp in Sun: 4488-65296 (40800 - 593600%) -- guaranteed OHKO
solid frigate
kek
craggy dagger
there we go
atomic mural
**unnecessary calc incoming**
+6 252+ SpA Solar Power Tera Fire Beads of Ruin C...
should have been tera steel magikarp smh
craggy dagger
should have been tera steel magikarp smh
i set itās type to grass ice
wispy spade
What is battery boost?
atomic mural
i set itās type to grass ice
ah
solid frigate
What is battery boost?
Boosting Special Attacks by 1.2x?
Is it 1.2x or 1.3x
craggy dagger
What is battery boost?
1.3x base power to special attacking moves
molten oasis
i might love focus energy hydreigon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
focus energy scope lens?
molten oasis
mhmm
wispy spade
Do i bring out my water tera goggles sylveon from reg2?
molten oasis
its probably ok
atomic mural
Do i bring out my water tera goggles sylveon from reg2?
chat is he cooking?
craggy dagger
maybe not tera water
molten oasis
tera steel or fire
craggy dagger
116+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera Water Sylveon: 204-242 (100.9 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
116+ Atk Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera Water Sylveon: 96-114 (47.5 - 56.4%) -- 75.4% chance to 2HKO
plus in no world are you running max hp max defense sylveon
wispy spade
versed linden
Hello whoever reads this. Team building for regulation H has felt more than bumpy for me rn.
I definitely know I'm rusty. I would like some pointers and advice for this upcoming reg. I'd like to try Annihilape this time around, it has caught my interest.
cyan smelt
you could try annihilape, maushold, pelipper, arch
craggy dagger
Hello whoever reads this. Team building for regulation H has felt more than bump...
iām gonna say-
reg A was ages ago-
and reg H is more diverse in a way so i dont blame teambuilding being rocky-
cyan smelt
i'm finding it hard too
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2179793014 me love fast encore
craggy dagger
i play a lot of niche (the other regulars in this chat can tell you what stupid ideas i run)
and iām also kinda struggling into this regulation though i think for me, itās the fact that thereās so many options that can be viable now
craggy dagger
oooo
molten oasis
im not supposed to be cloak but eh, cloak prevents snarl and fake out i think its fine
versed linden
i play a lot of niche (the other regulars in this chat can tell you what stupid ...
That's what is mainly making it harder for me. So many new options but the pieces for a team feel a bit more scattered. I love it but find it a little annoying at times. I managed to make a silly little Venusaur team for fun. But like I mentioned, Annihilape is a new try for me.
craggy dagger
i quite like how that team looks
molten oasis
this is like, stuff i've liked
i like water tauros and rilla, i like dengo and hydrei
fast support maushold's fun
craggy dagger
drago why not try tailwind on volcy if youāre gonna run cloak
molten oasis
cuz i want quiver dance
molten oasis
quiver dance is "speed control"
craggy dagger
i canāt argue with you there
molten oasis
if i really need more speed control maushold gets twave
forest arrow
Maus is a nice adaptation
molten oasis
fast encore
forest arrow
glad youāre enjoying it
molten oasis
is so strong imo
also i dont think clefable is that good
i get it, i understand why people are running it and it has given me a hard time before
forest arrow
Yeah itās a niche pick
molten oasis
i think maushold is the best redirector rn
forest arrow
itās cool tho bulky, Iād just rather run clefairy
molten oasis
mhmm that too
craggy dagger
That's what is mainly making it harder for me. So many new options but the piece...
ape usually has two forms-
the nuke one enemy pokemon but sacrifice myself button in the form of choice scarf final gambit
and
the more slow and heavy hitting form that consists of getting beat up by allies to boost a soon to be nuke button called rage fist
torn parrot
also i like this team, imma mess with this more
wooo! hope you have fun
molten oasis
252+ SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon on a critical hit: 153-180 (77.6 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO i feel like im missing something
mighty stump
itās cool tho bulky, Iād just rather run clefairy
Bear in mind Clef is gonna have a rough time against Gholdengo stuff
molten oasis
i just saw that OHKO
craggy dagger
does clefairy get unaware as a base-
i thought it had to evolve
timber falcon
in regionals i see players have a sheet they write on. Are thy able to take that sheet for any game for their own notes?
mighty stump
in regionals i see players have a sheet they write on. Are thy able to take that...
So
Thats the open team sheet
They would bring a separate notebook for notes
molten oasis
yea
forest arrow
Yeah true
timber falcon
so you CAN bring a notebook
craggy dagger
mhm!
molten oasis
everyone gets a sheet with their teams, they hand it to the opponent, and have notebooks for note taking
timber falcon
oh thats neat
mighty stump
Clefās value being slow is alright for TR stuff but now its back to being Torkoal/Hatt and you donmt underspeed those
craggy dagger
imo itās encouraged to take notes 
versed linden
ape usually has two forms-
the nuke one enemy pokemon but sacrifice myself butto...
I've been having fun with Maus and Slow ape. Such a tough duo to put together.
Maus is a nice support. Decent Amoongus counter with the right set
mighty stump
So unless you have a more specific reason as to why you want Clef imo Maushold is better at the moment
wispy spade
Can dragapult kill pelipper before tailwind?
mighty stump
Not if Pelipper is Focus Sash
craggy dagger
Can dragapult kill pelipper before tailwind?
ehhhh-
not really?
timber falcon
imo itās encouraged to take notes <:yaehmm:1051687026090578030>
yeah i was wondering if i should start taking them more consistently cause i keep forgetting which mons are for which MUs
forest arrow
Oh I didnāt mean for him I meant like over Clefable, Iām using Ursa P2 atm
craggy dagger
Not if Pelipper is Focus Sash
a double darts into peli still wouldnāt kill would it
molten oasis
dart's might not do it, if somehow the arch tera fairy or somth
or protect on the right
forest arrow
I get what youāre saying tho
mighty stump
a double darts into peli still wouldnāt kill would it
Tera Blast Ghost
But Double Darts can with HH support
timber falcon
Not if Pelipper is Focus Sash
talon flame set
mighty stump
Some do Tera Dragon
forest arrow
I just never looked at Clefable either maybe itās ok
mighty stump
I donāt like Tera Dragon
wispy spade
Tera blast electric is what i used to run
mighty stump
I just never looked at Clefable either maybe itās ok
Oh I thought yoh meant Clefairy
Why Electric?
molten oasis
im gonna get to work on huntin a marked hydreigon
i think hydreigon is my favorite thing out of the format rn
timber falcon
whats a mon i can use offensivly in cases of heat wave or snarl
molten oasis
fun guy
mighty stump
Well suit yourself, I donāt really agree with surprise factor if thatās the only reason
craggy dagger
Oh I thought yoh meant Clefairy
only clefable gets unaware no?
molten oasis
whats a mon i can use offensivly in cases of heat wave or snarl
wha?
craggy dagger
ohhh
molten oasis
tauros
craggy dagger
unaware is amazing for dozo and setups
mighty stump
Might do Covert Cloak stuff Ghold
wispy spade
What speed do i want to reach on band dragapult now that we have no iron bundle?
craggy dagger
used to run tera fire unaware follow me for zama MUs
wispy spade
Is adamant viable?
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d48fbe45851ff3e7 this look ok tofu?
timber falcon
Might do Covert Cloak stuff Ghold
do you have that talonflame set? Sharp beak iicr
molten oasis
Is adamant viable?
you may be able to get away with adamant but most are jolly
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d48fbe45851ff3e7 this look ok tofu?
played it a bit team feels decent
i wanna go hunt hydrei so im not gonna keep playing rn
craggy dagger
do you have that talonflame set? Sharp beak iicr
not in any blog posts he made?
molten oasis
i mean, talon's probably max max no?
craggy dagger
timber falcon
has he made a reg H one im unaware of
molten oasis
idk how much you can do with its evs
craggy dagger
OT wants sharp beam talon-
which i would assume still runs max max but could have some bulk instead
molten oasis
idk what you'd want to focus on living
rustic mountain
timber falcon
i might not go sharp beak
Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Tailwind
- Protect
would this work?
molten oasis
sure
molten oasis
<:shaqsleep:694333188285399140>
sorry we're boring
timber falcon
we?
molten oasis
or are you just tired
timber falcon
molten oasis
bedtime for tree
craggy dagger
sorry yea i meant you
forest arrow
Bedtime for Throw too
craggy dagger
Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type...
why life orb though
forest arrow
Nighty night gang
spiral ridge
nighty night you two
craggy dagger
Sweet dreams to the both of you
spiral ridge
was not expecting us both to say that š
forest arrow
Right?š«£š¤£
molten oasis
Nighty night gang
night bro
versed linden
Does Maus beat up on Arch sound like a good idea...???