competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

I guess yeah

[dapper crag]

Sinistcha's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Foul Play, Phantom Force, Poltergeist

Special Moves

Absorb, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Matcha Gotcha, Mega Drain, Night Shade, Scald, Shadow Ball, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Curse, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Imprison, Iron Defense, Life Dew, Memento, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rage Powder, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Talk, Spite, Strength Sap, Stun Spore, Substitute, Trick Room, Withdraw

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Sinistcha.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[atomic mural]

G1 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179386255-b3q986zzpiwrqzruduxno40ormfqwhupw

G2 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179388556-hbslx8s38foxu06ibpy33afzahcwyhupw

[timber falcon]

never did get that talonflame set

[atomic mural]

its for the damage

[polar canyon]

Can corviknight be a decent call rn

I forgot how cool corviknight looked

And how bland its name is

A corvid knight

[arctic carbon]

Guys sorry to interrupt

is this how you build a modest nature primarina?

[polar canyon]

Looks fine but it's better if you show like number stats wherever you planned outside the game

[solid frigate]

@molten oasis

[polar canyon]

It looks like a lot of Velocità

[solid frigate]

Primarina really doesn’t need that much speed

[polar canyon]

Does that ability mean liquid voice

[arctic carbon]

No

[polar canyon]

That's what you'd probably want

If it's for doubles

[polar canyon]

Not really what I mean

Like where did you plan the stats

Or did you just train evs on the go

Forgot I came here to ask for advice now I'm trying to help someone else

[arctic carbon]

I followed a build on a site

[polar canyon]

Yeah what's the build on the site

[solid frigate]

which site

[solid frigate]

of course its from that

that is a scam

[arctic carbon]

Oof

[polar canyon]

Is that from a gaming guide

They're usually pretty bad at vgc sets

[chrome knot]

bro wtf is thatLOLL

[solid frigate]

normally run Hyper Voice,Moonblast,Calm Mind and Protect with Tera Grass and Liquid Voice

[polar canyon]

Does it even still have scald

[solid frigate]

i think it has scald

[dapper crag]

Primarina's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Body Slam, Covet, Dive, Double Slap, Facade, Flip Turn, Frustration, Giga Impact, Ice Spinner, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Play Rough, Pound, Return, Triple Axel, Waterfall

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Misty Explosion, Moonblast, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Round, Scald, Shadow Ball, Snore, Sparkling Aria, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Aqua Ring, Aromatic Mist, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Growl, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Misty Terrain, Perish Song, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Swagger, Toxic, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Primarina.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[polar canyon]

Well one of the big strengths of primarina is having its own good spread 100 accurate water move

In the form of hyper voice with liquid voice

Also being a bulky water type

And a bulky fairy type

[arctic carbon]

So where should I put the rest of the IVS after sp. Atk?

Defense?

[polar canyon]

As a baseline you might wanna think about what pokemon you want your primarina to be faster than and make it barely faster than what you thought of

[polar canyon]

Another thing

[solid frigate]

I’ll take Drago’s Set as an example

[polar canyon]

When you're gonna make your pokemon more defensive the rule of thumb is to invest into hp first

And after hp is maxed out only if you still have evs leftover you do defenses

It's almost always better with very few exceptions

[arctic carbon]

Oh ok

So 252sp.atk,252 hp, 4 Def.

[polar canyon]

That sounds fine

[solid frigate]

Primarina @ Mystic Water
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 172 HP / 76 Def / 188 SpA / 36 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast
• Calm Mind
• Protect

This is Drago’s Set

And as you can see,Primarina really need lots of Physical Bulk to able to survive Rillaboom and other Physical Attackers

Sorry Drago i just need to do that for a reference cuz my Primarina build kinda flawed

[polar canyon]

This is an example of a more complex ev spread that's designed to always, barely survive certain moves from certain pokemon with at least 1 hp

It's fine to use ones from other people

Making your own takes a little bit more experience

They're good to use only when you know what they're made for

[arctic carbon]

Oh ok, thanks a lot

[polar canyon]

No problem

[mighty stump]

If you wanna see what a fully thought through set looks like

It can contain some more advanced concepts

I just wrote a new blog about it

[polar canyon]

It's nice trying to be helpful from time to time even if I'm not the best at it

[chrome knot]

being a hater is more fun

[polar canyon]

Huge

[polar canyon]

Yeah but idk if giving misleading information on purpose is allowed

I would

[mighty stump]

It isn’t

That’s when I get upset

[solid frigate]

Even its not a Rule,Its kinda a bad thing to do

[polar canyon]

I probably actually wouldn't but it's funny when someone does

[solid frigate]

i think thats like when Randos trying to well…

Help people-

[cyan smelt]

this team ain't going so well

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger help me im abt to make a bad decision

[craggy dagger]

wha?

[chrome knot]

call me a bad girl as im being financially irresponsible LOL

[mighty stump]

omg me too girliepop

THIS IS OUR POKEMON SUMMER

[chrome knot]

uhm

nova you didnt scold me fast enough

[mighty stump]

Omg good job

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

Wtf did I come back to

[mighty stump]

Theres new merch coming this weekend and I wanna get it

[chrome knot]

i bought $80 shirt

[mighty stump]

Im gonna get this shurt

[bold geode]

Why is that shirt the same color shirt that a dirty 8yo would wear

That kid that just goes knuckle deep in his fuckin nose

[ornate elk]

Gholdengoat

Shirt

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

is this you speaking from experience or..

[chrome knot]

you didnt make it fast enough

so i was financially irresponsible

[cyan smelt]

this team is a waste of time

[bold geode]

No lmao

[bold geode]

But would you have really listened?

[chrome knot]

no :3

[bold geode]

Yeah see when Nova tells me not to gamble, I don't listen either

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Gacha Games: makes me even more broke

[craggy dagger]

if only cosplay pika existed

[timber falcon]

should i ev gastrodon to be highly special defensive

[craggy dagger]

kinda forgot pika belle gets icicle crash-

[cyan smelt]

Don't gamble or play gacha

[timber falcon]

lol no wave crash for him

[cyan smelt]

What about hurricane

Why didn't they use last respects

[timber falcon]

they did, thats why dengo is alive

[atomic mural]

wat

[timber falcon]

peli had just swapped in for rain

[cyan smelt]

I don't think I like psyspam

[balmy glen]

Nah just ur gholdengo tera normal fr

Wall all bascu gg

[timber falcon]

[atomic mural]

no escape from hisuian decidueye 💪

[timber falcon]

Hydreigon @ Dread Plate
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snarl
• Draco Meteor
• Protect
• Taunt

a hydreigon set that leans to the support side thoughts?

[balmy glen]

nah id just kill it

[atomic mural]

darn

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179478372-df9psl4xgqg55jtunr9x16iv6syarykpw

guys this was so intense

[timber falcon]

showdown humour

[atomic mural]

that crit def mattered

the strongest dragon move would never kill 1 low hp tsareena

[shadow wind]

I mean it could’ve missed.

Just watched a game where TR got setup and then +6 Snorlax went ham and a Draco miss might’ve saved them.

[plush yarrow]

What format only allows me to have one of each type of item? Like I can only have one leftovers? I tried to Google it.

[atomic mural]

vgc

[plush yarrow]

So any format?

[atomic mural]

yeah any doubles format

[plush yarrow]

Singles?

[atomic mural]

no

I think

I dont play singles

[shadow wind]

Yeah singles usually doesn’t have an item clause.

[plush yarrow]

Do you have direction on where I can read the clause rules?

[shadow wind]

Showdown shows them all when a game starts.

Not sure if there’s a way to view them outside of that.

[plush yarrow]

Okay sick. Thank you. 🙏 that super works for me

[minor panther]

do i replace psyshock with psychic on my armarouge?

[neat heath]

Expansing force and weirdterrain can be good

[atomic mural]

yeah

[forest arrow]

Why Psyshock/Psychic and not expanding force?

[neat heath]

Wolfey Glick had some problems with psysun team in reg G

[minor panther]

my team isnt a psychic terrain team

[atomic mural]

what does wolfey have to do with this conversation

[balmy glen]

What is it then

I wouldn’t really use arma if it’s not with Indee

[minor panther]

its just a team im having fun with ig, no particular theme

[forest arrow]

^

[neat heath]

Idk just mentioning the legend

[atomic mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9njx_Ng2cUA this guy really made a 2 hour video

[neat heath]

Wolfey got top 13 in EU and defended its orlean regional champion

[atomic mural]

but its pokemon so

[forest arrow]

Is showdown down atm?

[atomic mural]

idk

ig it is

welp

[forest arrow]

Just making sure its not just me'

[bold geode]

Hello babe

[forest arrow]

hey babe

[atomic mural]

i thinkl showdown just came back up

[forest arrow]

yep thanks for updating lol

[timber falcon]

showdown went down?

[forest arrow]

Yeah like 10 mins ago

[timber falcon]

anyone have a talon flame set/moveset

[forest arrow]

Talonflame @ Sharp Beak
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Brave Bird
• Will-O-Wisp
• Tailwind
• Protect

[timber falcon]

thank yous

is snarl rillaboom a really bad idea

for AV rilla

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179501253-gwwptr0lydr4qn7bdarc1igig0ec6xjpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179502145-cz4ycjh7hbv53iiz8aye6tnkderl8wdpw

[zinc totem]

i got super random question

does fairy feather work on pixilate hyper voice?

[craggy dagger]

yes

[lusty quest]

What should I improve on? https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2179501178

[molten oasis]

toxic stall in vgc is crazy

[lusty quest]

I'm the calyrex guy

[molten oasis]

ik

[lusty quest]

Oh alr

[molten oasis]

yea it hink that was played fine

at the end of the game you could have just attacked with both mons

idt miraidon takes +2 single target glaical lance even if it tera's

[lusty quest]

K

[lusty quest]

Ty

[gentle crag]

shawnisntcool has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ce35716a037da1ee how is this

[neat heath]

Do you think that charizard can be good in next regulation set?

[timber falcon]

i think shiftry could be useful

[neat heath]

Yo wtf is this team

I have to check this out

[timber falcon]

ill probs change prim for gastri cause i no longer like my arch MU

and i still gotta deal with snarl, so im thinking of a string physical attacking mon to slot in for maybe shiftry

[timber falcon]

nowhere near done

[zinc totem]

wish it was decent enough cuz i would've made umbreon otherwise

[timber falcon]

anyone have an ape set, i think ill try use that to punish snarl

[zinc totem]

mine might not be good but

Annihilape @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Rage Fist
• Close Combat
• Bulk Up
• Protect

using that on my sun mausape team

[timber falcon]

i think ill change CC and the evs a bit for my use, thanks

[zinc totem]

im fiddling with sylveon but im kinda not sure of my setup

Sylveon @ Fairy Feather
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Psyshock

[forest arrow]

tera blast and fire/water

[molten oasis]

you could optimize that spread a lot

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ad789716b52c13ea first concept, il lprobably make a second one with a different set up mon

[atomic mural]

at this point Its not the teams I build its just me

(or just use)

[neat heath]

Damn I think Im low at building team when it comes to ev spread

I have no idea how to optimalise it for best performance or survive specific meta teams

[molten oasis]

why are you scarf ape?

[timber falcon]

doesnt matter im scrapping the team

i want H-arc for my fire type

[molten oasis]

why

[timber falcon]

murkrow for tw

and i can see it synergising fine with gastro

[timber falcon]

heat wave spam really getting on my nerves

[molten oasis]

from what?

[timber falcon]

volc and for some reason i keep finding chandelures

atp i want rain to show up

but yeah volc is one of dengos most hated opps

from my reg H experience, idk about you

maybe dengo just isnt the mon for me

never succeeded with it b4

I’ll quit with it after trying a last generic dengo balance idea I have

[molten oasis]

peli should run its life

[chrome knot]

whaaatttttt

mmmm i was financially responsible today

^-^

[polar canyon]

Is tofu around

Kinda wanna ask something

[chrome knot]

5am for him

[polar canyon]

If he thinks hippowdon could work similarly to the yawn snorlax from his latest blogpost

But for a sand team

[molten oasis]

-8ball is kommo-o the sauce?

[gentle crag]

is kommo-o the sauce?
:8ball: Yes, definitely

[molten oasis]

-8ball is Primarina the sauce?

[gentle crag]

is Primarina the sauce?
:8ball: Most likely

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

-8ball is Drago mid

[gentle crag]

is Drago mid
:8ball: Don't count on it

[bold geode]

What bitch

-8ball were you lying

[gentle crag]

were you lying
:8ball: Very doubtful

[bold geode]

-8ball you hear of the Sugondeez?

[gentle crag]

you hear of the Sugondeez?
:8ball: My sources say no

[bold geode]

Sugondeez nuts ha got em

[molten oasis]

-8ball is monke mid

[gentle crag]

is monke mid
:8ball: Signs point to yes

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

We been knew this

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-magic8ball-gif-27358310

[solid frigate]

-8ball is Basculegion the Sauce

[gentle crag]

is Basculegion the Sauce
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[solid frigate]

[polar canyon]

-ball bulky support hippowdon

Oops

-8ball the above

Ah cant

[bold geode]

-8ball is Hippowdon trash

[gentle crag]

is Hippowdon trash
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[polar canyon]

I will prove you wrong ball

[polar canyon]

I'm thinking something like this

https://pokepast.es/e6cf73fe5eb467e4

Lefties meant to be sitrus on hippo

[nocturne holly]

Why do you have leaf storm and not matcha gatcha

[polar canyon]

Raw damage

[nocturne holly]

I’m not even gonna thinkabout the hippo

[nocturne holly]

Sinistcha isn’t there for damage

[polar canyon]

It isn't but it's nice to have a quick way to deal with like palafin and primarina

[solid frigate]

Deja Vu

[nocturne holly]

But just looking at the team you need more damage output

[polar canyon]

True

[nocturne holly]

You’re main attackers are just rotom and hydreigon

And rotom doesn’t hit too hard

[polar canyon]

Wonder how easy it would be to slap on ghold

[nocturne holly]

Yea over Corv

And just do tw hydreigon

But if you are doing Corv do bulk up imo

[polar canyon]

I considered

[nocturne holly]

It can atleast do something while it’s on the field

[solid frigate]

I’m sorry did i saw Air Balloon Blaziken-

[polar canyon]

It really can I've used it before

I could just switch to that type of set and call corv a damage dealer too

Sucks I lost my cool set for it

With good calcs

[solid frigate]

[polar canyon]

Still wondering what to use for the 6th

[solid frigate]

Harc?

just for Damage?

also it benefits from Hippowdon’s Sand Stream

[polar canyon]

0 SpA Sinistcha Leaf Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palafin-Hero: 194-230 (110.2 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Sinistcha Matcha Gotcha vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Palafin-Hero: 120-144 (68.1 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Actually that's 0 bulk palafin but you get the point I can just run slight spatk investment

[polar canyon]

Maybe

I don't wanna be too vulnerable to mausape

[solid frigate]

fair

Band Harc offensive idk

[polar canyon]

Rock head harc?

Intim band still makes me more vulnerable

Gives ape a free +1 and a free drain punch target

[solid frigate]

if you want just damage and Avoid Mausape then sure

[shadow wind]

Thank god, I finally broke the wall that was 1600.

[mighty stump]

gj

[craggy dagger]

damn

[solid frigate]

Bro is cooking

[craggy dagger]

congratssss

[mighty stump]

@hasty night Please change the details of your rental to follow the outlined format. I’m going to start removing your rentals if they do not fit the format perfectly as you have been repeatedly reminded so many times.

[solid frigate]

also how does Air Balloon Blaziken Work lol

Why not run something like Lorb

[shadow wind]

Thanks!

[mighty stump]

Bro i dont even care what it is anymore just put the relevant information at the top at this point like its not that hard

Literally anyone with basic literacy skills and inference can do it

For fucks sake

[solid frigate]

I’m just Curious about the sets lol

But yeah he did that 3 times

His Rentals should be deleted in Reg G

[craggy dagger]

i have yet to break the 1200 mark

[solid frigate]

i broke the 1300 mark now

[shadow wind]

I almost switched Toxtricity out for Gholdengo but then remembered how much Pelipper domes me.

[craggy dagger]

i just torture myself with these niche teams-
i need to pick up a proper team

[shadow wind]

I mean my team is a gimmick team at heart.

[solid frigate]

Toxtricity Stonks moment

[mighty stump]

I thought about Toxtr last night

[shadow wind]

He came to me in a dream so makes sense.

[solid frigate]

i have thought about it but idk is it the only set is Throat Spray with Boomburst?

[shadow wind]

I use lorb.

[solid frigate]

i see

[mighty stump]

You can also do choice stuff

[shadow wind]

But throat spray is probably better on different teams.

[solid frigate]

The Specs is real

[shadow wind]

Yeah scarf or specs work great too.

[craggy dagger]

scarf tera normal boom burst yes

[shadow wind]

75 speed is not high.

[craggy dagger]

better than whatever the fuck this is

[mighty stump]

Boomburst is ehh

Not my thing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

i’ve found a newfound hate for hisuian decidueye

[shadow wind]

I use boom burst cause my team is built for it but most teams probably shouldn’t use it.

[craggy dagger]

it just-
doesn’t wanna live anything

[shadow wind]

Just lead Kommo + Tox and then Boom burst + Clanging scales usually picks a KO.

[craggy dagger]

uhhh-
i’ve grown fond of toxtricity-
though it’s in pokerogue cause that has been carrying me the entire game

[mighty stump]

Im telling you that mon is fraud status this Reg

I cannot see it

I get it

But I also dont

[shadow wind]

Valid.

[forest arrow]

Whats the point of scrappy if you cant live to use it lol

[craggy dagger]

it doesn’t wanna live anything

yeah!

[shadow wind]

But then somehow I’m getting flinched, crit, and defense dropped on my ghost type.

It’ll fall off when people start bringing air slash coverage in like a week.

[mighty stump]

Like Triple Arrows

Good

Scrappy

Alright

Fighting type

Good

Hecidueye

[shadow wind]

Grass type 😐

[mighty stump]

Ehhhhh

[shadow wind]

Actually it being grass is fine.

[mighty stump]

The Grass typing is nice for Amoonguss and crap

[shadow wind]

Good synergy with leaf blade too.

[craggy dagger]

garbage

i tried to hype it up-
now i’m a hater

[shadow wind]

I wanted it to succeed but not like this.

I have very similar feelings about Archaludon.

[solid frigate]

Toxtricity @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 156 SpA / 12 SpD / 76 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overdrive
• Sludge Bomb
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

Does this work? I will edit the EVs cuz the raw Speed is 115 with 76 EVs and i forgot the Speed Tier List-

[shadow wind]

Dope Pokémon but I hate how it plays.

[craggy dagger]

electro shot still feels like a fraud move

[shadow wind]

It’s so busted.

[mighty stump]

Electro Shot feels like pre-nerf Order Up LOL

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

Yes?

[craggy dagger]

oh true

[shadow wind]

Let me pull up my set hold on.

[chrome knot]

can you check new paste

[shadow wind]

Toxtricity @ Life Orb
Ability: Punk Rock
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 68 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Boomburst
• Overdrive
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

[solid frigate]

how to make Archaludon a Semi Electric Type

Give jt the Dehelmise Treatment

[mighty stump]

ok gimme a moment

[chrome knot]

in my channel

[shadow wind]

Enough speed to always outspeed pelipper.

The HP is lorb specific though.

[solid frigate]

fair point

[mighty stump]

Ok

[shadow wind]

Hated being outsped by the bird.

[solid frigate]

birb

[shadow wind]

So true.

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot I hate Prim

LOL

It is so incredibly underwhelming

Also feels like a fraud

I did CM, LO, Throat Spray

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

SHUSH you worm

[mighty stump]

Even with FG the bulk feels like paper

[solid frigate]

Its just needs Other stuff to make it Strong

[chrome knot]

not so loudddd

[mighty stump]

:c

Emma hates me

[rustic mountain]

prim felt solid wen i used it but that was like 1st week of reg h

[mighty stump]

This is a terrible day

I hope your Tinkaton shirt does not arrive

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom One tap Simulator

[chrome knot]

i hope ur gholengo isn’t in your size wtfff

[mighty stump]

Like bro why is Tera Steel + FG + Bulk investment still a 3HKO MIR

Anyways

[rustic mountain]

cuz dengo the goat

[mighty stump]

I think I have ideas for a better mon on that slot, will DM

[solid frigate]

its more like People looking at it on Paper that Primarina is good but in deep down looking at everything and Calcs,Its underwhelming and Loads if Pressure from Dengo and Rilla

hell even Milotic is better against Rilla cuz of Coil

[atomic mural]

im not cut out to make my own teams

[rustic mountain]

i think prim has more value over milotic

[solid frigate]

in Damage Wise or Type Wise

[chrome knot]

kat cut on a different item, bascu is hard to position in certain mus and sucks ass in others

[rustic mountain]

its a good mon, idk bout it being top tier or anything but i think it can fill a role on a good team

[solid frigate]

it has a thing going on if you want a Special attacking Water Type

[rustic mountain]

like just overall as a mon. it has more pressure as a water type to me

[mighty stump]

Yeah I get it

[solid frigate]

fair point

[mighty stump]

Why do you need it anyways

Cause I know another mon that can fix a MU as well

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Sus

[lusty quest]

What's a good elo in showdown to aim for

For vgc reg g

[mighty stump]

Anything top 500 at least

[shadow wind]

“Good” is hard to define.

But probably yeah, T500 is a good standard.

[lusty quest]

Alr thx

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179644119-385aftar1lf2csk9cnj4gtslabwspzdpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179646157-0492t5ctxq2qj489ejlkfrhv2gpbsd9pw

low af bo3 ladder has some INTERESTING characters

[molten oasis]

3 shed tail guys lol

[chrome knot]

yeah..

@mighty stump time to build 3 shed tail team

[mighty stump]

Im not even dignifying that by watching the replay

[small scaffold]

can someone help me make a team that has snorlax?

i suck at teambuilding lmao

[mighty stump]

Did someone say

Snorlax

[small scaffold]

yessir

snorlax the goat

[mighty stump]

I don’t like Belly Drum just saying

[small scaffold]

idk

[mighty stump]

For Reg H or Reg G?

[small scaffold]

i currently use stall jumpluff so my meta relevancy isnt up there last time i tried making a team was when goldengho was the best in the game

which reg is more recent?

doubles btw forgot to say

[atomic mural]

you're in luck

mostly everyone here plays doubles

[small scaffold]

yeye ofc its just the more skillfull mode

[chrome knot]

reg H is gonna be septembers format

[atomic mural]

facts

[small scaffold]

ye sure lets say reg h then

so um appart from snorlax who do i use?

i do NOT think im in luck bru

[small scaffold]

reg h

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/e90478a2d1f4cc46

Team I use currently, it got Snorlax.

[chrome knot]

reg E wolfe glick

[hasty night]

I tried life orb it just makes you die faster with all the recoil dmg. Air bloon let's you dodge eq or earth power and mainly let's you tank a hyper voice from ursaluna under screens and 1shot it back with cc.

[shadow wind]

Hmm?

[chrome knot]

the core

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah.

[chrome knot]

yeahh

[hasty night]

I'll edit it when im on pc again but Idk y it matters

[small scaffold]

hmm

[shadow wind]

Trust me, I added stuff to make it different.

Like Toxtricity ‼️‼️

[small scaffold]

id like to take elements from it but perhaps are there other mons we can use in some situations

i like incineroar sisntcha and snorlax

[shadow wind]

Change whatever you want, just wanted to give you an idea of an already existing team with Snorlax.

[small scaffold]

thank you!

i rly need this lmao

[shadow wind]

And if Tofu helps you he doesn’t like belly drum snorlax so you’ll probably end up needing to decide which one you want to use.

[small scaffold]

the team is actually rly cool but do u know any mons i could use instead of kommo-o and toxtricity?

[mighty stump]

Im personally still using the set I detailed on my blog post

[small scaffold]

what post?

[mighty stump]

Let me send it to you and see if it interests you

[small scaffold]

yes pls

[mighty stump]

Keep in mind it’s tailored to how I like to play, and you’ll need to include good Gholdengo answers in the team as well

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofulax

Obnoxious embed

[small scaffold]

thank you!, out of interest did they finally ban legendaries from tournaments and stuff

[shadow wind]

Can’t really think of any other Pokémon that sacrifice health for stat boost so Kommo I can’t think of any amazing replacement but I’m sure there is some. Tox is just cause I needed an electric type so it can probably be replaced by some other electric type.

[mighty stump]

For Reg H, yes

[small scaffold]

cuz i couldnt see urshifu water and ogrepon

[shadow wind]

In September yeah.

[small scaffold]

lets goooo

[shadow wind]

Well actually a bunch of Reg H tournaments have happened already so it kind of just depends on the format of the tournament.

[small scaffold]

omg it comes with calcs too

[shadow wind]

But official tournaments yeah, legendaries are still kicking around.

[small scaffold]

tofu the goat bro🙏

[mighty stump]

Calcs, full thought process, and some example games

Feel free to switch it up as you see fit

[small scaffold]

thats the snorlax build dont but what abt the rest of the team

[mighty stump]

So with this set I believe it’s fairly splashable. On Balance comps it functions well and as long as prevously stated, you include a good anti-Gholdengo core then you should be good to go

It’s less linear than BDrum and gets going more immediately than Curse sets

[small scaffold]

what does splashable mean?

[mighty stump]

As in, you can include it on a team and it should most of the time be value-adding

So for example, if I were to run Kingambit balance + Snorlax

That wouldn’t be a problem

[small scaffold]

what is kingambit balance

sorry im rly unfamiliar with these techincal terms

[mighty stump]

Like Kingambit + Incin/Rilla/Amoong or something along those lines

I might as well just give out these teams for free

Hold on a moment

[small scaffold]

getting all these ppl shiny is gonna be crazy difficult lmao

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/bee3f51a5e4ef356 - ArchaGambit

https://pokepast.es/6d584bbde49b7fe3 - H-Arc FariLuna

https://pokepast.es/337ea9d19806f246 - MausGhold HO

https://pokepast.es/bdd3afb076d685b0 - Gambit Palance

Some free T100 teams

[small scaffold]

yoo

ima read through all of them fr

what dsoes t100 mean?

[mighty stump]

They’re first drafts but work ok enough

Top 100

[craggy dagger]

yoink-

[mighty stump]

So I hit T100 with all of them while testing

[chrome knot]

tf u sayin yoink for

[small scaffold]

are there snorlax free teams?

bru no snorlax

great teams

[mighty stump]

Lol, the Snorlax team is mine

[small scaffold]

where does snorlax go tho

[mighty stump]

So I don’t share it

But for example for Gambit Palance you can replace Amoonguss

or Rilla

[small scaffold]

with which snorlax build the yawn one or the fissure one?

[mighty stump]

Yawn/Fissure goes together. The second set is just an earlier variant and explained how it didn’t do what I want. The top set is what you would be going for.

[small scaffold]

sure, btw are u down to do some 1v1s so i can get the hang of the team?

[mighty stump]

I’m at work

LOL

[small scaffold]

oh lmao

[mighty stump]

i was multi tasking

[small scaffold]

bro ngl both rilaboom and amoongus are pretty required for the team

i dont see snorlax providing the same value tbh

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

go tell em tofuuu

[mighty stump]

I find Amoonguss less necessary than Rilla, with Incin/Rilla/Snorlax working very well

And Rilla/Snorlax just go together extremely well

[small scaffold]

aight, after reading ur whole table, im not sure im fully convinced on the consistency of fissure

is there another more consistent move i can use instead?

might go crunch or smh tbh

[shadow wind]

Or could run a more Snorlax centric team with Bdrum. It’s a bit riskier in a meta with Haze everywhere but at least you don’t need to worry about missing fissures.

[small scaffold]

i just swapped fissure with crunch ill see how it goes

wanna 1v1 i gotta practice with this team

[shadow wind]

Just go on ladder.

[rustic mountain]

the point of fissure is to capitalize off passive turns from ur opponent where clicking it either nets u insane value (it hitting) or not much is lost (it not hitting)

[shadow wind]

While I 100% get that I hate the inconsistency.

As a Groudon player at heart I know my ground moves are only as good as the accuracy they have.

I’d rather have my Snorlax be an active threat that needs dealing with rather than a fat punching bag that has a gambling addiction.

[rustic mountain]

nd thats fair, i think the point tho is to make consistency out of the inconsistency and what i mean by that is putting urself in positions where its only a net positive clicking fissure. usually if ur clicking it and its game deciding, u prolly misplayed somewhere else down the line

[shadow wind]

Yeah, needing to rely on it definitely means you messed up somewhere.

[rustic mountain]

i dont think its a must but it certainly offers extended value on a yawn set imo

[shadow wind]

And I can get the appeal of just clicking fissure, similar to what Ting-Lu had been known for doing. But as a personal issue I can’t use OHKO moves.

Yawn is a cool option though.

[rustic mountain]

yea i was running ting lu then and didnt run fissure, i def get it

[small scaffold]

1 match in i got swept by a tinkaton i think i just suck lmfao

[shadow wind]

I guess I’ve also only used bdrum set up so I guess I won’t know what I’m missing.

[rustic mountain]

bd is cool but i agree w/ what tofu said its often very linear

[shadow wind]

I also just like Sinistcha and it works amazingly with Bdrum set up.

[shadow wind]

Oh for sure.

[rustic mountain]

sinistcha is cool

[shadow wind]

The simplicity does make it nice to pilot though.

[small scaffold]

i like sinistcha i might steal conner's team

[shadow wind]

Sure.

I can put the whole team and not just the OTS version if you want.

[rustic mountain]

yea its not necessarily a bad thing and u can subvert its standard linear play to catch ppl off

[shadow wind]

Exactly.

I always like having a simple mode to my teams.

Like Paonite or Psyspam.

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean if it works for u

[shadow wind]

That’s usually how I make my teams anyway, good initial idea then slap some simple and strong pairs on and call it.

My favourite games are when I use Bdrum and TR doesn’t go up though, something about it feels great.

[rustic mountain]

yea i think navigating wins in different ways should feel good. if ur doin the same thing game after game its pretty boring for anyone

[shadow wind]

100%.

[rustic mountain]

nd also prolly wont net u many wins

[shadow wind]

Linear teams like TR Psyspam gotta be the most boring teams ever.

Cause you get TR up or you don’t. And that’s the game.

[small scaffold]

the issue is i cant run a team with like every mon i like lmao

[shadow wind]

Goes up, yay happy expanding force time. Doesn’t go up, aww I lost my 5th game in a row to Astral Barrage.

[rustic mountain]

i think some players take hard tr to a level in which it truly is very skill expressive but most players are gna play it the boring way

[small scaffold]

simple teams r fun but its also nice when there is a high skill cap

[shadow wind]

That’s why you gotta pick the good Pokémon as your favourites.

[molten oasis]

Yk who else sini is good with?

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-kommo-o-kommoo-kommo-o-gif-8121977202858861076

[small scaffold]

man my fav pkmn is magikarp💀

[shadow wind]

Tera blast !!

[small scaffold]

tera blast magikarp?

[shadow wind]

I think you’re a little late.

[molten oasis]

Shut up lol

[rustic mountain]

there was a magikarp tour on cart in swsh that was pretty funny

[shadow wind]

That was hilarious.

[rustic mountain]

only time its gna be relevant

[small scaffold]

is morpeko useable💀

[shadow wind]

Gyarados is underrated right now though.

[small scaffold]

gyrados is a wanna be magikarp ngl

[molten oasis]

Anyway uh, I’m finding if you’re not on rain Archa or mausape you just struggle rn, which, is not fun

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t say you insta lose if you use it…

[rustic mountain]

anythings useable. its not good tho

[shadow wind]

Like on ladder?

[molten oasis]

In general

It’s so damn strong

[forest arrow]

Ursa p2

[rustic mountain]

i havent found that w/ running palance

[shadow wind]

It’s very strong but there’s definitely teams that don’t have either and work well.

[molten oasis]

Ok but you have palance lol

I’m not playing palance

[small scaffold]

is wash rotom still good i love using wash rotom

[forest arrow]

ursa p2

[rustic mountain]

well u said if ur not 2 archetypes u struggle and neither was palance haha

[shadow wind]

I would say it’s ok right now.

[molten oasis]

I’m messing with konmo-o cuz I think it could be decent against Archa mausape

Just need something for peli

[forest arrow]

Toxtricity

[shadow wind]

Toxtricity.

[forest arrow]

lol

[rustic mountain]

this is where were at for electric types, ppl suggesting fucking toxtricity

[shadow wind]

Cause it’s a good niche.

Trust.

[rustic mountain]

that mon sucks

[small scaffold]

wash rotom is the most competitively viable mon i like am i cooked?

[forest arrow]

I just know hes running toxtricity so i beat him to it lol

[shadow wind]

People lose their new toy of Raging Bolt and forget that other Electric types exist.

[rustic mountain]

ur not running the zebstrika tox team r u?

[small scaffold]

holdon alolan exegutor has to be somewhat good right?

[shadow wind]

The huh?

[rustic mountain]

ok good

[shadow wind]

Clearly not I guess.

[rustic mountain]

i faced some weird ass team the other day

[shadow wind]

I’m running Kommo + Tox.

[rustic mountain]

and it had zebstrika and toxtricity onnit

[shadow wind]

Weird.

What elo?

[molten oasis]

I think Rotom may be okay

[rustic mountain]

prolly not but try it out

[forest arrow]

Wolfies reg e team with toxtricity basically

[molten oasis]

Freeze dry a9 is also ok

[rustic mountain]

which one?

[small scaffold]

what if i say screw it and run all stall mons?

[shadow wind]

Yeah pretty much.

[molten oasis]

The water one lol

[rustic mountain]

ull lose most games

[forest arrow]

Water

Hydro just sucks sometimes

[small scaffold]

is stall no longer viable?

[shadow wind]

I mean toxic stall Dozo is making a return.

Unfortunately.

[molten oasis]

P2 Ursa is probably okay but I don’t really wanna play that duo too much

[small scaffold]

stall is the most peak form of pokemon fr

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen self proccing strats with Glimm.

[rustic mountain]

stall is not historically common or good in vgc. thats a singles thing

[forest arrow]

Me likey

[shadow wind]

If you do actually want my team though just let me know, I don’t care if other people got my team.

[molten oasis]

@shadow wind you got top 500 with kommo-o?

[shadow wind]

I got top 100 with Kommo-o.

[small scaffold]

holdup gastrodon has to be somewhatgood right?

[shadow wind]

Currently 1600 flat.

[rustic mountain]

gastro sucks imo

[shadow wind]

It’s a gimmick Mon at most.

[small scaffold]

WAIT

[shadow wind]

It really strived in Dynamax formats.

[small scaffold]

i like amoongus

[shadow wind]

Amoonguss is good.

[small scaffold]

ok so there is 1 mon i like which is good lmao

what about big fish basculegion?

[shadow wind]

Bascu is also fairly good right now.

[rustic mountain]

male is good

[shadow wind]

Rain is very strong right now.

[bold geode]

You shall thrive my child

[small scaffold]

yep 5 hours on arcues farming that mf was worth it

rain is storng so ludicolo is strong?

[shadow wind]

Not quite.

[rustic mountain]

nah more like peli/arch/basculegion

[shadow wind]

Archaludon is strong.

[small scaffold]

what abt eviolite durauldon?

[bold geode]

Ludicolo ain't that strong cuz of Archaludon
If Archaludon wasn't around, then I think Ludicolo would actually be strong

[shadow wind]

Ehh.

[bold geode]

I mean Ludicolo is an anti rain Mon so

[shadow wind]

Would still get outclassed by Rilla and Bascu.

[rustic mountain]

i jus wish arch didnt get electro shot

[molten oasis]

Can I see the sauce plz? I’m looking for ideas

[shadow wind]

Swift swim sunny day 🤪🤪

[forest arrow]

You would think Ludi would be a good counter into rain teams

[rustic mountain]

no

[forest arrow]

ik

[rustic mountain]

peli arch jus eats it

[bold geode]

Electro Shot is too busted and the fact that rn it has reliable sources of both Electric and Fighting coverage which is lacking rn in Electro and BP is fucking insane

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/2be20d51a22869f8

[shadow wind]

Bro out hands hands in the format without hands 😭😭

[rustic mountain]

yea its just a very strong mon rn that def has counterplay but man it can snowball so fast haha

[small scaffold]

could there be a team like amoonguss peli archaludon sinsitcha basculegion and whoever would fit the last slot best?

[shadow wind]

Incin.

[bold geode]

Idt you run Sinistcha and Amoongus both

[rustic mountain]

stamina bp stuff is fine on its own but electro shot boosting its sp atk too really makes it annoying to deal w/ haha

[bold geode]

Yeah
And the fact that RN it's also paired with MausApe

[shadow wind]

Looking at the team that just won the biggest Reg H tournament Sinistcha might be goated.

[nocturne holly]

I’ve been seeing a lot of peli arch basc h decidueye 😔
not fun

[forest arrow]

bububu

[rustic mountain]

yea ive faced a few of them on ladder lol

[small scaffold]

wait i forgot i shiny hunted the arcues starters

is hisuian samurott any good?

[nocturne holly]

no

[rustic mountain]

to me its ass cheecks

[nocturne holly]

h decidu is the only one seeing play

[shadow wind]

Not in doubles.

[nocturne holly]

It has potential

[bold geode]

I saw some YouTuber put it on a thumbnail lmao

Idk what that's about tbh

[forest arrow]

I dont even think decid is good

[nocturne holly]

What else is new?

[shadow wind]

I think I saw the same thumbnail.

[bold geode]

Decid is a cope

[small scaffold]

cant ceaselessly edge😥

[rustic mountain]

does h samurott have a place in reg h?! or h samurott destroys reg h ladder!

[bold geode]

Decid is decopeueye

[nocturne holly]

that’s what you think till you get flinched, crit, and defenses dropped

decidubitch

[bold geode]

Nah
"Here's some anti meta picks to use in Reg H"

[nocturne holly]

It was at -3 or -4

[rustic mountain]

i think hisuan decidueye is vastly overrated

[nocturne holly]

And it crit flinched and defense dropped

[shadow wind]

I did get recommended the same video!

[nocturne holly]

Scrappy is a really good ability tho

[bold geode]

Bro it's like I said
If you're using Scrappy to hit Ghost types, you fucked up in teambuilding

[shadow wind]

It’s great because people don’t know what a good fighting type is.

[shadow wind]

I mean Gholdengo.

[small scaffold]

so wait peli archaludon basculegion sinistcha and who for the last 2 slots?

[bold geode]

Did Hamurott get in the vid?

[shadow wind]

I think so yeah.

[nocturne holly]

mausape and call it a day

[shadow wind]

It was wild.

[small scaffold]

incin and who else/

[rustic mountain]

it has good things going for it and then u see its speed stat and absymal typing and ur like oh yea this guy does suck

[bold geode]

Still you fucked up in teambuilding if you're using H-Decidueye for that

[bold geode]

I'd try like Gholdengo tbh

[shadow wind]

I mean it’s a brain dead easy option for Arch, Incin, and Ghold.

[small scaffold]

goldengho is back in the meta?!?!?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[nocturne holly]

good move and good ability are the only things it has going for it and like on the right team I think that’s enough

[rustic mountain]

gholdengo to me is the best mon in the format rn

[nocturne holly]

It’s def not the shit

[bold geode]

Gholdengo is back lol
Tbh it hardly ever left

[small scaffold]

LETS GO I didnt built him for nothing

[shadow wind]

On its own, 100%.

[nocturne holly]

but it makes me feel like shit 😔

[bold geode]

It went away some in Reg G cuz Honse but it never really like
Left left

[shadow wind]

I miss Calyrex Shadow… it got rid of the stupid money man.

[small scaffold]

conner ima needa steal ur sinistcha build

[nocturne holly]

Yea dengo just got kinda powercrept in reg g

[bold geode]

Gholdengo will always be good solely cuz of its fucking ability

[forest arrow]

It was on Calyrex Ice Rider Teams

[bold geode]

Good as Gold is just too good of an ability

[shadow wind]

I linked it earlier hold on.

[shadow wind]

^

[forest arrow]

The ones that performed best didnt have ghold tho

[shadow wind]

So very very broken.

[small scaffold]

whats the best built for goldengho is it still choice specs with make it rain shadowball nasty plot and protect?

[rustic mountain]

just in general, it can slot on quite a few different archetypes and provide either set up thru nasty plot and fo support or immediate pressure with like specs/lo or scarf on more tw offensive oriented teams, has an insane ability, good typing and solid stats

[molten oasis]

Depends

[nocturne holly]

Depends on the team

[small scaffold]

mb not choice specs

[molten oasis]

I think dengo is the best Mon in the format

Versatile and strong

[shadow wind]

I think Archaludon might be a bit stronger when paired with Maus and Peli but Ghold is still so very strong.

[molten oasis]

Nah

[forest arrow]

We can all agree dengo is the best rn

[rustic mountain]

i think theres a few others u can make a case for but dengo to me has it rn

[molten oasis]

Dengo my goat

[small scaffold]

incinc peliper archaludon sinistcha dengo and bascu

[shadow wind]

Although Dengo didn’t win the $1000 tournament.

[molten oasis]

Archaludon also NEEDS to have rain to be at its strongest

[shadow wind]

Which I thought was wild.

[small scaffold]

cheesestick legacy lives on fr

[nocturne holly]

Np looks good on that

[molten oasis]

Dengo can just exist anywhere on most teams and do great

[rustic mountain]

yea but early grassroots w/ a limited player pool i think it doesnt tell the whole story

[small scaffold]

np?

[nocturne holly]

Nasty plot

[shadow wind]

Oh 100%.

[small scaffold]

what item?

[molten oasis]

Flutter was the best Mon in the game for a couple regulations it didn’t win every tournament

[shadow wind]

Dengo was third most common in that tournament.

I found it shocking it wasn’t on the winning team.

[rustic mountain]

makes sense

[small scaffold]

magikarp solos 100% no dif

[rustic mountain]

archrain won right?

[shadow wind]

Mixed with MausApe yeah.

[rustic mountain]

right

[small scaffold]

what is mausape?

[rustic mountain]

yea cuz there was another hard tr won i was thinking i maybe got em mixed up

[nocturne holly]

Maushold+ape

[rustic mountain]

not that surprising that won tho, arch has an argument for best mon in the format

[nocturne holly]

Annihilape

[shadow wind]

It was

Peli
Arch
Sinistcha
Incin
Maus
Ape

That was the winning team.

[small scaffold]

infernape?

[atomic mural]

annihlape

[nocturne holly]

I think dengo is just more versatile than arch at moment and that just makes it better

Annihilape

[rustic mountain]

maushold can give arch stamina boosts, also gives ape rage fist stacks w/ beat up, pelipper for support for arch. theres a lot of things going on

[nocturne holly]

Beat up into ape to get rage fist

[rustic mountain]

thats why i have it over arch as well

but i can see some1 arguing arch and i wouldnt think thats crazy

[small scaffold]

heavy duty boots or leftover or life orb on dengo?

[nocturne holly]

Arch can be very hard to handle if it stacks with e shot and stamina

[rustic mountain]

boots is a singles item

[shadow wind]

I just don’t like how Dengo gets walled by Incin, the most popular Pokemon in the format.

But in a vacuum yeah Dengo is #1.

[small scaffold]

i reckon ima go life orb

leftovers could be better used by other mons

[rustic mountain]

yea but thats why u got ur partners, plus +2 shadow ball or make it rain can def chunk it

[shadow wind]

Very true.

Pelipper helps with that a lot.

[rustic mountain]

incin is a good check into it tho for sure, i use my own vs it

[shadow wind]

I love my AV incin.

Bless him.

[rustic mountain]

i havent run av but i see its value

[shadow wind]

Living Ursa BM lorb EP 🙏🙏

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I also run min speed Incin though.

[small scaffold]

best item on arch?

[shadow wind]

AV.

[rustic mountain]

av usually

[small scaffold]

and i use stamina right

[shadow wind]

Yup.

[small scaffold]

can i steal somneone archa?

[shadow wind]

Been loving underspeeding Farig in their own TR.

Or at least having it be a speed tie.

I always forget how slow Incin is.

[molten oasis]

Hm

[rustic mountain]

like an ev spread?

[small scaffold]

like a import for pkmn shwodown

[rustic mountain]

u can check like munchstats for common spreads, im not sure what ppl are running on it atm

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2057dc62b8078483 thoughts on a 6th?

[shadow wind]

Cetitan.

[small scaffold]

found one its fine

[shadow wind]

Before Snorlax I ran Cetitan.

Until I needed a TR counter that was.

[molten oasis]

I hate my phone dude

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 975: Cetitan

Type

Ice

Abilities

Thick Fat, Slush Rush, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

170/113/65/45/55/73

Total

521

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/64db2f5c152f8cc1

[molten oasis]

It’s so mid

[small scaffold]

what makes archa so good?

[shadow wind]

Just a little bit.

[molten oasis]

Electro shot

[shadow wind]

It won’t die and can set up well.

[molten oasis]

Great defensive typing

[rustic mountain]

great typing, good ability, good stats, and good moves

[nocturne holly]

so like everything

[shadow wind]

Yeah literally everything about it is goated.

[rustic mountain]

also not much threatens it, like fighting/ground arent crazy common atm

we got ape and the bears and stuff but yea

[small scaffold]

wait conner for ur sinistcha build what do i run instead of trick room?

[shadow wind]

Probably rage powder.

Mine has CM for Dozo.

Could ditch that if you wanted to.

[molten oasis]

I feel like strength sap is enough

[rustic mountain]

dozo are unaware tho, whats calm mind doing for that mu

[molten oasis]

It’s also unaware so I fail to see the logic of calm mind lol

[shadow wind]

For whatever is in the back.

[molten oasis]

eh

[small scaffold]

whats cm?

[shadow wind]

Calm mind.

[molten oasis]

You should get out of dozo mode with full hp with strength sap

Like I think it’s fine

[small scaffold]

btw what evs and ivs do i put on it?

[shadow wind]

I’ve lost a bunch of games to Glimm and Tatsu after Dozo dies and I got nothing left in the tank besides a Sinistcha.

[molten oasis]

sounds like a skill issue

[shadow wind]

Probably a player error but if I can have an easy out I’ll use CM.

[molten oasis]

I get the logic

[rustic mountain]

yea i get the idea i think prolly better to not lose ur resources like that tho in general

[molten oasis]

I haven’t had that problem personally

Strength sap spam hinders the shit out of dozo

[rustic mountain]

i take the easy dozo answer, haze

[shadow wind]

My team sucks into Dozo in the first place so I’m not making it easy for myself.

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[shadow wind]

They lead Glimm and Ghold and wow half my team is gone and now Sinistcha versus the world.

[forest arrow]

clear smaug

[rustic mountain]

nah like theres more then 1 way ofc to deal w/ dozo ofc, i find haze the most straightforward

[shadow wind]

I should definitely find a better way to deal with them but meh.

[nocturne holly]

glimm is disgustingly

[shadow wind]

Ah man I hate Glimm games.

[small scaffold]

is strength sap based off their atk before modifiers or after modifiers?

[shadow wind]

After.

[nocturne holly]

REAL

[molten oasis]

Just the attack

I heal the same amount after the attack drop

[shadow wind]

You don’t.

[rustic mountain]

i usually lead gholdengo expecting glimm and either force the tera so dozo cant or jus 1hko it t1

[molten oasis]

What? I’ve always healed the same amount

[forest arrow]

Its less as the stat drops

[molten oasis]

Eh ig I also click it enough it doesn’t matter

[shadow wind]

Strength Sap is based on their active Atk stat.

[dapper crag]

Move: Strength Sap

Lowers the target's Attack by 1 stage. The user restores its HP equal to the target's Attack stat calculated with its stat stage before this move was used. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down. Fails if the target's Attack stat stage is -6.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Oh it fails at -6 too

[rustic mountain]

big root lets goooo

[molten oasis]

Ok good to know

[small scaffold]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

I didn’t know that

[small scaffold]

what evs do i give sinistcha>?

[shadow wind]

Liquid ooze 😱😱

[rustic mountain]

big root sinistcha new meta

[molten oasis]

No lol

[shadow wind]

Not the worst actually.

[rustic mountain]

sorry, i dont make the rules

[shadow wind]

Grassy terrain Matcha Gotcha with Big root.

[rustic mountain]

haha it weirdly isnt but def better items for it

[shadow wind]

Just don’t miss.

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

I just run metal herb cause I love CTS.

[small scaffold]

what evs do i give sinistcha?

[molten oasis]

You’re right that’s why Primarina lacks at times

[shadow wind]

Most common set is 252 HP and SPDEF with 4 in Def.

[small scaffold]

ur one?

[molten oasis]

(Tbf I think Prima does its job usually just trying to dodge the monke the whole game sucks)

[shadow wind]

I run a little bit more physically bulky.

[molten oasis]

I run a specially bulky one

[shadow wind]

But I didn’t specifically calc for anything so it’s just a good set.

[shadow wind]

It’s just the best really.

[foggy lodge]

Echonomical Wo Chien

[rustic mountain]

we take wat we can get

[shadow wind]

Mhm.

Strength sap is just vessel of ruin.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1013: Sinistcha

Types

Grass/Ghost

Abilities

Hospitality, Heatproof (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

71/60/106/121/80/70

Total

508

Other Formes

Sinistcha-Masterpiece

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[foggy lodge]

It has many good moves too

[shadow wind]

Yup.

[small scaffold]

yo one last question what nature do i put?

[foggy lodge]

When i build it i stress cause it has so many good moves and idk what to drop for x mive

[shadow wind]

I ran bold on mine.

[foggy lodge]

Bold i think is fine

Or calm

[shadow wind]

Yeah literally.

[foggy lodge]

Depends on the ev spread too

[shadow wind]

Matcha Gotcha
Strength Sap
Rage Powder/Calm Mind
TR

How I run mine currently.

[molten oasis]

Also you shouldn’t use the highest ev spreads from munchstats u less there’s reasons for it

[foggy lodge]

Shadow Ball

[molten oasis]

Imo it’s

[foggy lodge]

Has nasty plot too but i don't think you use it as an attacker

[shadow wind]

Still not 100% sold on Calm Mind, haven’t ran into a Dozo that was good since.

Sinistcha 1v3 is always hype though.

[molten oasis]

Matcha Gatcha
Strength sap/shadow ball
Rage powder/calm mind
Trick room/life dew/protect

[shadow wind]

Until I double miss Matcha Gotcha.

[foggy lodge]

Life dew too wtf i forgot about it

[shadow wind]

Life dew is spectacular.

I just don’t need more healing.

Heal pulse Clef carried.

[molten oasis]

I think for support strength sap and rage powered are musts

[foggy lodge]

Sinistcha is so good i think it's only problem really is competing with Amoonguss xd

[shadow wind]

I don’t run Rage Powder cause I have Follow me.

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179704066-qirllnaxsacxnn1l9g0alocbvl0c9tzpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179707022-kv0ije7tp7ax3t0lluawj0lxejo5wb6pw

rilla on peli arch is so nice

[shadow wind]

Not because but it isn’t a must for me.

And also most things I wanna redirect are grass type or goggles.

[shadow wind]

Like Maushold.

[chrome knot]

holy shit!! choccy milk !? for me!!??\

[small scaffold]

this team is so good wth(by my standards)

[molten oasis]

I can’t believe that’s real

[shadow wind]

Eyes just exploded looking at that.

[small scaffold]

archaludon is so broken

[shadow wind]

I’m definitely still experimenting with the Sinistcha set though.

[molten oasis]

Not broken

[shadow wind]

4 moveslot syndrome pokemon.

[molten oasis]

calyrex is broken it’s just in a format where very little things can check it

It’s strong

[rustic mountain]

why not? i think its fine for ppl to use those as a barometer to gauge for themselves if any adjustments need to be made. as an initial starting point i think they are perfectly reasonable. most ppl arent gna know specific spread details anyway off bat unless ur getting it from someone who did the calcs themselves or knows who did

[molten oasis]

No I mean, like

Look at Archaludon

Archaludons highest ev spread is literally max speed max spa timid

[rustic mountain]

ahhh i gotcha

[molten oasis]

I’m saying like, within reason

Max max is fine until you need to tweak things imo

[rustic mountain]

yea idk y theyd have that, that doesnt seem like the most common

[junior patrol]

If anyone is free I'd like for them to look at the recent Showdown team I made and help me fine tune it

[shadow wind]

Sure.

[rustic mountain]

usually ppl post a paste of the team

[molten oasis]

Ofc it doesn’t show bruh

Anyway

https://pokepast.es/2057dc62b8078483 not running cetitan so, any other things I could add?

[junior patrol]

May I dm you?

[molten oasis]

Why can’t you share it here?

[shadow wind]

But it literally has synergy with 2 pokemon, that’s a great deal in my opinion.

[molten oasis]

Forcing myself to run something for snow can be synergy trapping

[junior patrol]

Wasn't sure if I was allowed to or not

[molten oasis]

And what else does it have synergy with?

[shadow wind]

Sinistcha.

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[small scaffold]

how do i create my own pokepaste?

[shadow wind]

Belly drum cetitan goes crazy.

[molten oasis]

Ok but then I’m relying completely on set up to win games

And a team with haze shuts that down immediately

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont agree w/ adding more for a snow mode