competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Idt mold breaker does

[timber falcon]

Just wanted to know some thoughts. Ended up scrapping the team cause I realised I couldn’t do shit against too much priority pressure

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mold Breaker

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

it does not Ignore Shadow Shield but ignores Multiscale

[mighty stump]

I don't remember the team.

[solid frigate]

for some Reason

[modern harbor]

weird

[molten oasis]

Well

[modern harbor]

theyre like exactly the same ability

[molten oasis]

I think it’s to allow restricteds to have higher power

[timber falcon]

It was just lunala and chi-yu basically, even I don’t really remember the other 4

[molten oasis]

Even if they’re the same ability

[modern harbor]

yeah

[solid frigate]

i meamn hell i forgot Tera Shell is ignored by Mold Breaker and i got destroyed by a Dusk Mane

[molten oasis]

You had single strike and whims I believe

Or torn

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah single strike was there

[modern harbor]

its weirdd

[timber falcon]

Idk about whim

[mighty stump]

Well if it was fine for you then it was fine

I really cannot comment on just 2 members lol

[modern harbor]

also

[timber falcon]

I might have it on a device where I never got rid

[modern harbor]

i ran into a csr team with indeedee and expanding force csr? is this common? i totally thought it was the calm mind draining kiss ab protect set

it was even tera fairy

[molten oasis]

I think that’s been picking up

[mighty stump]

There is more than one set.

Specs CSR, CoCloak CM, Spell Tag/LO NPlot

[modern harbor]

yeah but when i see protect t1, tera fairy t2, im like oh its that one

[modern harbor]

oops i meant nplot not calm

well, maybe, i forgot

[molten oasis]

Is beating CSR just a play better situation?

[mighty stump]

I mean a lot of the game is a play better situation

[modern harbor]

to be fair i feel like i see a lot less experimentation on cart because of rental teams being common, and not having a straight up team builder

[molten oasis]

I more meant like, mu wise

If that makes sense

[modern harbor]

also i could have sword indeedee f used to get expanding force in gen 8

[mighty stump]

It's matchup roulette sometimes. But most teams should have an answer to CIR/CSR/Miraidon at least.

[molten oasis]

Well, Zac does 2 of those

[timber falcon]

Just remember I have the team in game lol

[molten oasis]

CSR just swept through me a lot before adding peli

Although I miss prio tw and manual rain at times

[timber falcon]

Btw my point in this is to differentiate if the piloting or team building was good

[modern harbor]

is av bolt effective against kyogre?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[modern harbor]

not spd invested tho

[molten oasis]

Bolt can be a big issue for kyogre

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Av kyogre can eat special hits pretty well tho

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[modern harbor]

it's nice that bolt is slower for tr tho

faster i guess

sry

[timber falcon]

@mighty stump

[modern harbor]

idk relying on flutter for speed control?

maybe use taunt set idk

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0727f386b87fda7a @mighty stump last time I played the reg I had this, peli was the whole line for CSR I suppose. Although I didn’t play the team a whole bunch because of reg h

Felt like Zac peli could handle CSR pretty ok typically

And then the lines for the others came through naturally

[timber falcon]

It’s an old team so I won’t bother changing stuff about it, but that might’ve helped tbh

[mighty stump]

I mean aside from minimal speed control at least between WG/Flutter/Scarf Chi/Darkshifu you have enough CSR hate and between Rilla/Amoonguss you can deal with Miraidon ok

Main concern would be some variants of CIR like Underhill's variant would give you trouble due to it's variability

[timber falcon]

Underhill?

[mighty stump]

But otherwise this is just a balance team that has enough room to get overwhelmed due to WG pin in certain scenarios

[molten oasis]

Electabuzz CIR

[mighty stump]

Especially against a Covert Cloak CSR variant

[timber falcon]

For context this was before specs miraidon won regional

[modern harbor]

lvl 67 urshifu is so cursed to me

[molten oasis]

What?

[timber falcon]

Maybe if I got the time I’ll re make it to be relevant

[molten oasis]

Oh, yea

[modern harbor]

i dont know anyone who didnt lvl to 100 in swsh dlc 😭

[timber falcon]

Lmao I got it in SV

[molten oasis]

Well, for now we play reg h since this format returns in January(?)

[modern harbor]

u can get it in sv❗️❗️?

[timber falcon]

With expansion pass

[modern harbor]

fr??

[timber falcon]

Yep, there’s a kubfu

[modern harbor]

the pre evo or just urshifu?

[molten oasis]

Kubfu

[modern harbor]

OOOO I DIDNT KNOW

[timber falcon]

You buy the scroll at market

And then ofc the lunala

Gotta be max level

[chrome knot]

complete dlc2 fully dingus

[modern harbor]

i diddddd but im mostly working on bp to get biodiversity upgrades

i got terapagos, crown, and bolt tho

[chrome knot]

so you didn’t notice the new guy next to the front desk?

[modern harbor]

no :(

[chrome knot]

how tf did you get bolt on violet

[modern harbor]

traded boulder for it in this server, lucky!

bolt is just objectively better lul

[chrome knot]

wtfff

who would do that i wanna do that

[modern harbor]

plus i was offering meloetta which is way more valuable in general imo

[timber falcon]

Is it though

[modern harbor]

bro would rather have iron boulder 😭

[timber falcon]

In terms of replaying to get it again, the paradox legs are way harder

[molten oasis]

I got my bolt by trading here

[timber falcon]

Same

[modern harbor]

i mean usually yeah, mythicals are more popular than future paradox

[chrome knot]

i play scarlet

[modern harbor]

i wish i had scarlet

[timber falcon]

Good taste

[modern harbor]

all mons are so much better

[chrome knot]

im just an idiot and thought bolt would suck so its in an ultra ball for dex completion….

[modern harbor]

yep this guy's is in an ultra ball too...

[timber falcon]

I traded both my gouging and bolt for shiny Latios for competitive use 🫠

[modern harbor]

like, put it in a fast or dream ball for god's same 😭

[chrome knot]

L wtf is wrong wit you

[timber falcon]

Mistakes have been made

[modern harbor]

i like sport ball too

[next stump]

I miss the good old days of early Reg G when people thought Bolt was mid and didn’t use it

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah they were both in apriballs too

[chrome knot]

reg F you mean?

[modern harbor]

now it's like, probably 30%+ usage?

[chrome knot]

reg G was ALLL bolt town

[next stump]

didn’t Portland have like no bolt really or am I misremembering

[modern harbor]

scarf rapid strike is all the rage tho

[timber falcon]

Bolt in reg G???

[next stump]

oh wait Reg F came first

[chrome knot]

Portland was reg F

[next stump]

oops lol can’t do the alphabet

[chrome knot]

welcome to the alphabet dillon LOL

[next stump]

just do numbers again pokémon hahaha

[modern harbor]

lol

[mighty stump]

Dillon is a teacher btw

Or something

Fear for your kids!!!

[modern harbor]

nahh the alphabet is that liberal propaganda

[chrome knot]

protect your kids from the woke mind virus!!!

[modern harbor]

same with times tables

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/grease-back-to-school-cool-swag-swagger-gif-12316040

[chrome knot]

ok why did we have the same idea

[mighty stump]

The alphabet makes the frogs gay!!!

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-frogs-chemicals-gif-11317922

[mighty stump]

Speaking of gay frogs Politoed sucks

[timber falcon]

Lmao what

[molten oasis]

So true

[modern harbor]

but hes cute and has a good shinyyy

[molten oasis]

Pelipper is just better

[modern harbor]

and pelipper ugly lol

[next stump]

I really thought Politoed would be that dude

[mighty stump]

Next up, Sand unironically annoying me atm

[modern harbor]

what are you playing 😭

[timber falcon]

Sand teams I find infuriating

[modern harbor]

bro's in 2013

[mighty stump]

Everything

[chrome knot]

boy do i got a sand check for you

[mighty stump]

Bro's not aware of Reg H

[molten oasis]

I don’t like excadrill on and

[modern harbor]

you're right actually❗️

[timber falcon]

I keep having to double protect to scout for EQ spam and it gets old

[mighty stump]

Yeah so shut your gay frog mouth smh

[molten oasis]

Idt the ttar is a big issue half the time, for me, the excadrill just hurts lol

[chrome knot]

HAHA gay frog @modern harbor

[mighty stump]

ur a politoed

[modern harbor]

hehe

[mighty stump]

Unironically Mudsdale hit the builder

[modern harbor]

time for alolan ninetails!

[mighty stump]

Hell no

[timber falcon]

What does unironically even mean

[chrome knot]

tera fighting

[mighty stump]

YOURE RIGHT

OMG

[modern harbor]

unironically hope this helps

[chrome knot]

close combat

[mighty stump]

TERA FIGHTING INCIN

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

i'm so tired of bo1

[chrome knot]

LMAOOOO

[mighty stump]

No wait I don't want to go double fire

[modern harbor]

cooking

[mighty stump]

It's aesthetically ugly

its uglyyyyy

[timber falcon]

What happened this time

[chrome knot]

im happy to announce you can click Reg H (Bo3)

[molten oasis]

A9 did nothing wrong

[mighty stump]

Anyways have this free t100 team

[timber falcon]

Any day now

[molten oasis]

Stfu lol

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/bbad87d20bedb356

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[timber falcon]

[pallid hare]

how I feel every day

[molten oasis]

It even has bad in the url

You got the CC incin to top 100?

[timber falcon]

Any explanation?

[mighty stump]

Yes

Nope

It's just CC Incin offense with TailRoom options

Tera-FIghting HH Close Combat can roll to OHKO some Incins

[timber falcon]

Tera water farig for incin?

[mighty stump]

Resists MIR and hits Ttar

[timber falcon]

What’s mir

[mighty stump]

Make It Rain

Plus

196+ Atk Tera-Fighting Incineroar Helping Hand Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Archaludon: 236-278 (119.7 - 141.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So like

Its kinda funny

[timber falcon]

Lmao

Btw was this just experimenting

[mighty stump]

Yes

[timber falcon]

You got to t100 with experiments

Whilst I hit 1000

[molten oasis]

Tofus built different

[mighty stump]

Oh god

Not the conkledonk special

[timber falcon]

Really is built different

[molten oasis]

Is conkledonk special something with conkeldurr?

[mighty stump]

Conkledonk is a player

Also just found this

196+ Atk Tera-Fighting Incineroar Helping Hand Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Archaludon: 236-278 (119.7 - 141.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

Oh my bad

[timber falcon]

There’s no difference

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/b70ea6ec74e5e4de

[molten oasis]

It’s the same calc

[mighty stump]

Oh

My fucking ctrl c button

[molten oasis]

Eww wtf

[mighty stump]

Is so non-sens

https://pokepast.es/045ded61bf01b627

[timber falcon]

I’d forfeit the battle to save myself the stress

[molten oasis]

Dondozo

[mighty stump]

Okay so everything is basically MausApe Archaludon/Rain

[timber falcon]

Ooo frosmoth

[mighty stump]

That or its Gholdengo/TFlame stuff

[molten oasis]

That just barely won a tournament, makes sense

[mighty stump]

Or the ultimate 2-2-2 of Sand/Psyspam/Dozogiri

[molten oasis]

The Archa rain stuff

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/5adb86a6c2cfb8ce

[molten oasis]

Lycanroc?

[timber falcon]

I saw that thing on ur blog where they follow me and set up untill death then bring in the big bad tw setter, is it similar to that?

[molten oasis]

Oh ig Lycanrocs faster than excadrill

[mighty stump]

Or it's specs

[timber falcon]

Wonder why the ttar has ice punch

[molten oasis]

Ground/flying types

Mostly ground

[timber falcon]

Is it really doing much with no stab

[molten oasis]

More than rocks will to ground

[timber falcon]

True

[molten oasis]

Oh, if mausape Archaludon is the thing, what, what beats that lol

[timber falcon]

If you can’t beat em join em

[molten oasis]

Hell no

[timber falcon]

Also electabuzz is a decent start I’d say

Can Tera fairy if you don’t wanna each dracos and stunt ape regen

[mighty stump]

Omg

I figured it out

No I didn't

Nevermind

No I did

POG

[molten oasis]

I play mainly Prima balance lol, but I’m also considering normal Ursa stuff

[timber falcon]

Who’s he talking to

[molten oasis]

?

[timber falcon]

Tofu get a notepad or something

[molten oasis]

What did you figure out?

[mighty stump]

Get good at Pokemon or something

[molten oasis]

Dayum

[timber falcon]

Didn’t have to do that

Gimme 1 year ill be consistent top 500

[molten oasis]

Bet

[timber falcon]

They ain’t ready for OTOT

[bold geode]

Hello Tofu

[mighty stump]

Bye

I'm leaving

Don't speak to me

[bold geode]

🖕

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

LMAO

The instant dip when monke shows

[timber falcon]

Dang

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

That wasn’t for you mf

[bold geode]

Well that was for you

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

-calc 165/2

[gentle crag]

Result: 82.500000

[bold geode]

Tofu can't do math smh

[molten oasis]

Monke can’t get out of 1300’s

Smh

[mighty stump]

LOL

[bold geode]

Drago can only butter fuckin bread

[timber falcon]

Monke why didn’t you deny it

[molten oasis]

I was a sushi chef so that’s just not true

[bold geode]

I'm a honest man

[molten oasis]

AND I make the bread too

[bold geode]

Sushi Deez Nuts

[molten oasis]

No u

[bold geode]

Your mom

[molten oasis]

No YOUR MOM

[bold geode]

YOUR DAD

[molten oasis]

Nuh uh

[dapper crag]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2177911020-c369kpc7sfxkk60faviub02zi18ikrapw

won the game but can someone tell me what i coulda gone into or what i shoulda done t1

[timber falcon]

You guys make me feel old

[bold geode]

Yuh Huh

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-uh-scout-tf2-gif-12750436057634665505

[bold geode]

I'd help but unfortunately I don't really know OU

[molten oasis]

Anyway uh, I’m a fan of the physical bear

[dapper crag]

oh

[bold geode]

Hehehehehehehe hehehehe

[dapper crag]

thats alr

[molten oasis]

I think it’s strong rn

[bold geode]

Ursa be like

[dapper crag]

why would gamefreak make ursa so strong tho

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-strong-style-ursaluna-gif-25188768

[dapper crag]

like genuinely.

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-freddy-gif-25757699

[molten oasis]

Shifus worse

[dapper crag]

shifu is a legendary tho

[molten oasis]

What’s wrong with legendaries

[dapper crag]

they get special treatement

[molten oasis]

Five turns in tr

[molten oasis]

I see no problem with that

Adds variety

[dapper crag]

yea im saying urshifu deserves to be better than ursa

but ursa is j a reg mon, idk why they gave it such a high atk stat + guts + great bulk

[molten oasis]

Fezandipiti doesn’t?

Okidogi doesn’t?

[dapper crag]

we dont talk about those 3

[molten oasis]

Enamorous doesnt?

[dapper crag]

enamorous is insanely good wym?

[molten oasis]

Not in, what do you play

[dapper crag]

oh i play singles

[molten oasis]

That’s why

Enamorous isn’t great in doubles vgc

Which is what most of us here play

[dapper crag]

has anyone tried monoclaw in vgc

[molten oasis]

What is monoclaw

[dapper crag]

slap a quick claw on all mons, make them make atk and hp

and then j click n pray

[mighty stump]

Not possible lol

[molten oasis]

You don’t get to use the same item on everything

[next stump]

item clause in VGC doesnt allow same item on pokemon

[dapper crag]

oh damn vgc got item clause

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[dapper crag]

thats actually a good rule imo

wish singles did it

[molten oasis]

That’s why doubles>

[dapper crag]

im j better at singles

[molten oasis]

But it’s all to your own tastes, you like what you like

[dapper crag]

so i stick to singles

[molten oasis]

How does Ursa p2 fare into the developing meta?

[dapper crag]

ou or vgc

[mighty stump]

Probably regarding a REAL format

[dapper crag]

lmao.

[bold geode]

Five Nights at Facades

[mighty stump]

Wow 2-2-2 is the least fun I've had playing this format already ever

And to clarify, piloting it

[bold geode]

Shocker lmao

[bold geode]

Also is that kek Rotom

[solid frigate]

lmao

Nebula as Incin lol

[mighty stump]

yes

[bold geode]

Kek Rotom

[solid frigate]

Kek Rotom

[simple stratus]

Is there any pokemon who can use a powerful electric type move, is not an electric type itself, and is somehow bulky??

[mighty stump]

Archaludon.

[simple stratus]

what move?

[mighty stump]

It's signature.

Electro Shot.

[solid frigate]

Yeah i think thats the only guy does that

[mighty stump]

So

Yeah

I believe

Rain has literally no bad matchup

[solid frigate]

like none?

[mighty stump]

nope

[cyan smelt]

psyspam is a tough mu for me

and everyone is using h-decidueye now

[bold geode]

Electro Shot go hard?

[spring tartan]

Imagine h-decidueye had serene grace

[cyan smelt]

imagine dondozo, but with glimmora

[atomic mural]

scrappy I feel like is alot better for it

[spring tartan]

True

But if it had serene grace triple arrows would go brr fr

[atomic mural]

yeah but it couldnt use it against gholdengo anymore

[cyan smelt]

speaking of serene grace, i haven't seen any dudunsparce, but it gets glare and rock sllide

[mighty stump]

Cause it runs Rattled memes

[cyan smelt]

i might build a team with serene grace dudunsparce, maybe with the bee

sticky web bee and serene grace dudunsparce

[solemn forge]

one of my favorite pokemon scrafty, with urshifu banned im thinking theres room for scrafty as in intimedate fake out mon with coaching

[mighty stump]

Annihlape is about to thrive

[knotty mirage]

Rattles tera ghost weakness policy with beat up tandemaus is annoying

[cyan smelt]

oh oops forgot about annihilape

[mighty stump]

Just redirect it

[solemn forge]

i imagine youd run it on a trick room team but im not set on the room setter, probably porygon 2. but im not good enough at team building to figure out how else to build a team around it

[cyan smelt]

god that's sad, even a +2 blastoise can't ohko arch

[solid frigate]

What the fu-

with AV Archa?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[mighty stump]

I mean

What are you hitting it with

Aura Sphere hits like a wet noodle

[cyan smelt]

yeah it was aura sphere that i saw

[solid frigate]

that hits like a pool Noodle

[knotty mirage]

It really sucks the only usable special fighting attack move is aura sphere

[solid frigate]

Might as well run something that hits well

[dapper crag]

Move: Aura Sphere

This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Fighting

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Pulse

Boosted by Mega Launcher.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[jade dust]

What are the best palafin evs? Max Atk and Spe?

[solid frigate]

Depends on the set,Choice Band runs Max Atk Max Spe

Lefties runs Max HP max Atk

[knotty mirage]

I seen some people run max HP and attack prolly because of jet punch

[atomic mural]

these are the only special fighting moves

[knotty mirage]

Yes

[atomic mural]

very sad

[jade dust]

I was thinking either choice band or clear ammulet

[solid frigate]

either Focus Miss,Aura Wet Noodle and Wet Noodle

[solid frigate]

Offensive Palafin?

Team?

[knotty mirage]

Focus Miss is well focus miss aura sphere hit like wet noodle and vacuum wave i don't think you want to use it all the times

[atomic mural]

I WANT GOOD SPECIAL FIGHTING MOVE NOWWW

[solid frigate]

Ask gamefreak about it

[foggy lodge]

Me but physical electric moves

There's just freaking wild charge

[knotty mirage]

Sadly this is the only thing we got there a reason why all usable fighting type is physical attacker

[solid frigate]

Thunder Punch is Alright

[bold geode]

Y'know what's really sad? A neutral Guts Facade from Ursaluna doesn't OHKO a Tera'd Archaludon at neutral defense

[foggy lodge]

It's weak

[solid frigate]

W h a t

[cyan smelt]

but i thought regular ursaluna was a busted mon

[atomic mural]

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Grass Archaludon: 165-195 (83.7 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO****

[bold geode]

Yeah see this is fucking disgusting

[solid frigate]

I don’t think i have to worry about Ursaluna a bit lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

I literally got high roll every time

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/6882c6cb25b43e10 this

[knotty mirage]

Good thing i always tera normal my ursa before clicking facade

[jade dust]

Im debating in choice band or clear ammulet

[bold geode]

I go Tera Ghost
Fake Out slows Ursa down like a mfer

[bold geode]

On what

[jade dust]

Palafin

[bold geode]

Clear Amulet

Clear Amulet best item on it rn

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough but that's why i always have my trusty fairgiraf around and it just feel good to ohko almost everything

[jade dust]

Choice band jet punch go brr too tho

But clear ammulet is more versatile

[solid frigate]

whats up with Mamoswine being 4HP-

and only One Protect feels iffy

[jade dust]

I mean thats the remaining ev points

[solid frigate]

If you REALLY want to build Serpeior then run Leaf Storm,Tera Blast,Glare and Protect

[foggy lodge]

Are we ignoring palafin zen headbutt

[solid frigate]

i saw that as well don’t worry

[jade dust]

Alright. I'll put protect

And palafin?

I haven't used the rest of evs

[solid frigate]

Mamoswine needs Bulk so badly

[jade dust]

So no speed?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 473: Mamoswine

Types

Ice/Ground

Abilities

Oblivious, Snow Cloak, Thick Fat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/130/80/70/60/80

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

does it really need speed tho

[mighty stump]

Yes

[knotty mirage]

Is there any coverage that palafin can use to hit bascu ?

[jade dust]

Well it isnt that fast to begin with

[solid frigate]

but all 252 Speed?

[nocturne holly]

You could slot protect on so many of these lol

[jade dust]

I have AV to make it tanky plus snow as well

[solid frigate]

then put on Bulk-
If you wanna make it a Super Tank

[jade dust]

So 100 in Def and the rest SpcD?

Or Hp as well

[jade dust]

In serperior and what else?

Unless I give up AV on swine

But the bulk with snow and aurora pls AV is great

[nocturne holly]

Palafin

[jade dust]

Instead of zen headbutt right?

I was debating in clear ammulet or choice band

Thats why I didnt put protect yet

[nocturne holly]

Also high horse power on mamoswne

[solid frigate]

I’m giving up I can’t stress enough

The EVs-

If you wanna run Iappa Berry then Run Tera Grass Incin

[nocturne holly]

Clear amulet
And haze over drain punch

[jade dust]

I mean I can put googles too

[foggy lodge]

If you have haze i think mystic water is better

[solid frigate]

CA at least better against Incin but thats about it

[nocturne holly]

Clear is so good against incin
Tera water wave crash without the drop ohkoes most incin
while you’re in baby form

It just depends

[foggy lodge]

In general you can just erase your own drops with haze

But CA gives more pressure turn 1

[nocturne holly]

Yea but that trades a turn

Rather use it on something like arch or dozo

Or dengo

[solid frigate]

or ya know

Murkrow exists

[nocturne holly]

no

Murrow BAD

[solid frigate]

and thats why I can’t say Murkrow

[bold geode]

Murkrow bad? No

[jade dust]

So then what option is better?

I think I'll use protect and clear ammulet

[bold geode]

I will run Sunny Day Murkrow lol

[solid frigate]

D O

I T

[jade dust]

I used to do that lol

With great tusk lead

[nocturne holly]

whims is right there

[bold geode]

Nah Sunny Day Murkrow was only there in Reg C
There's not much to abuse it now

[nocturne holly]

I also used rain dance talon

[bold geode]

Now you're smokin somethin

[bold geode]

Give back Talon Tusk

[jade dust]

I uused Murkrow to have haze foor intimidate

And clear defense drops after close combat

[bold geode]

The simpler times when you could TW EQ

[nocturne holly]

real 😭

that was so fun

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/05af65e58af1d980 i have an Idea

not too Certain on the EVs cuz i haven’t Build Magmar

[torn parrot]

The gay icon is gone

[bold geode]

Huh

[dapper crag]

Move: Scorching Sands

Has a 30% chance to burn the target. The target thaws out if it is frozen.

Type

Ground

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[torn parrot]

The server icon isn’t gay anymore

[nocturne holly]

Why no wisp on magmas

Lol

[bold geode]

You're running Basc without Last Respects?

[chrome knot]

they aren’t allies anymore

[solid frigate]

1 Flame Body

2 Scorching Sands as a Damage option for Tera Fire Rillaboom

[nocturne holly]

oh ig

[solid frigate]

i actually Like Phantom Force a lot on Basc

[nocturne holly]

Also yea last respects is like the best reason to use it

[solid frigate]

its good whwn you put Basc at last to use but I digress

[nocturne holly]

Just like let one thing die and you’re already doing more damage

And since phantom force takes two turns

You’re basically doing more damage with two 50bp last respects if you hit twice

[solid frigate]

at least it bypasses Protect in Special Cases

[nocturne holly]

yea

It always does wdym

[solid frigate]

By special Cases i mean if people expect Last Respects but still

like bypasses Protect is valueable

[nocturne holly]

I think gambit is actually a menace into my team

[solemn forge]

https://pokepast.es/ebe51d6a0e4037bd Can I get some thoughts on my regulation H team? this is my first time playing vgc so i wanted to try making one of my favorite pokemon work, Scrafty

[chrome knot]

scrafty is big air ball ngl

same with malamar

[solemn forge]

a what?

[chrome knot]

not good

[solemn forge]

theyre too bad to hit master tier? i was just looking to have fun and they were kinda just the mons i wanted to use

if there's maybe a better a way to run them?

[chrome knot]

regulation H isn’t even on cart ladder yet

[solemn forge]

gotta get time to shiny hunt and build them, getting min speed shiny pokemon sucks

[next stump]

I see you're going for a kinda hybrid trick room team which I think can work, and I also think Porygon is probably one of the best trick room setters to use for it.

• Can't say much about Scrafty because I've never used and it never seen it but if it's required on the team, this is probably one of the better sets you could run. I don't think you need 252ATK, you could probably go a little less and focus on being more of a pivot/disruptive pokemon with STAB knock off.

• Porygon set is fine and standard

• Ursaluna BM set is standard but idk if I like Silk Scarf over Life Orb. I feel like you'll end up missing the damage boost from Life Orb but play around with it and see what you like.

• Gholdengo set is fine and standard, pretty aggressive though going full offensive EVs + Tera Steel without great speed control (tailwind) on the team. You probably want to invest some EVs into bulk and maybe opt into a defensive tera as well, or get some more speed control options and maybe go Choice Specs or Life Orb.

• Malamar is another pokemon I've really never seen so I can't comment on it, but idk what role it is really playing on this team. Scrafty has its coverage moves already (Fighting + Dark) and you don't really need a section trick room setter if your team is not super slow overall. This is probably the slot I'd drop for additional speed control

• Amoonguss set is standard but change the tera.

Also overall note on all the pokemon is that I'd use a website like Munchstats to get your EV spreads. It seems like you just went 252/252 on everything which is okay as a new player but usually it's best to use more optimal EV spreads for pokemon. You can just steal what is popular and what other more experienced players use

[solemn forge]

thanks that helps a good but

bit

my inital idea with malamar was that it was a second room setter yes, but also beat some of the stuff ive been struggling with in testing, ie incin ursaluna gholdengo etc

is there something better that'd fill her slot?

also i have barely not killed things with hyper voice so i do see your point on that one

could actually maybe do murkrow

oh but item clause

[next stump]

you could run something like Sash Murkrow, I've seen it before

[tranquil lance]

https://pokepast.es/73cad6e98081f840
Bit New to Scarlet and Violet competitive although I've watched a ton of videos on it. with the help of tutorials and another person decided on this team, i really wanted to use Illumise and Ribombee and that's the idea i had going into building this. decided on a sun team after much deliberation. thoughts on this?

[next stump]

or drop porygon 2 for Farigarif or some other TR setter

[solemn forge]

ill try out both and see how it feels

one thing ive noticed is that with gholdengo ursaluna im not actually seeing anyone bring incin anyway

[bold geode]

But duck

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

it’s good but like
it’s beefy and has stab tera blasts
else other tr setters are better and less susceptible to taunt

[chrome knot]

stimkity @craggy dagger

[bold geode]

Hai Nova
Hru

[bold geode]

I mean Farigiraf kinda is too

[craggy dagger]

less to prankster taunt though
still rubber ducky is good

[bold geode]

Unless you consider Prankster which surprisingly haven't seen a lot of

[craggy dagger]

hellou to you too

[bold geode]

Nova you make any more funnies?

[craggy dagger]

no i haven’t really

[bold geode]

Ah

[craggy dagger]

played vgc in a while

still stuck in teambuilding disruptive altaria

[bold geode]

Now that's something

[craggy dagger]

ehhh

[chrome knot]

good morning

[bold geode]

I love it when my Pokemon is Good as Gold

Nvm
Always get to 1200, lose 2-3 games to some bullshit

[solid frigate]

same

[next stump]

bo3 ladder 👑

[bold geode]

Fr
Ain't finding Anger Point Tauros there lol

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/f06c54a0dc5277d0 how do i play into gambit with this 😭

bo3 takes too long

my attention span could not

[atomic mural]

when I already have a shiny porygon but its 1 point faster than a 0 speed iv porygon

[forest arrow]

1 Spe iv is the same as 0 Spe iv

[atomic mural]

thats not what I meant

its a 2 speed iv\

so its useless

[cloud glade]

.Infernape (M) @ Black Belt
OT: Rocco
TID: 50716
Ability: Iron Fist
Level: 80
Tera Type: Fire
Ball: Luxury Ball
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252
Jolly Nature

• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz

[solid frigate]

no Protect?

[dapper crag]

Item: Black Belt

Holder's Fighting-type attacks have 1.2x power.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[jade dust]

I would like to play singles if players there didn’t do the “I love 200 turns games”

[solid frigate]

you might as well run Life Orb

[foggy lodge]

To me singles is just boring

https://youtu.be/SDa1OBUUctM?si=Se6G9NVid1YTIEKk

[jade dust]

It’s fun to me but stall isn’t

And stall is prominent in singles

Wo Chein already stalls so much in doubles but it’s more manageable

Leech life, leftovers, protect

Tera poison

[craggy dagger]

“it’s useless”
ehh-
it’s good enough

[solid frigate]

Infernape @ Life Orb
Ability: Iron Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fire Punch
• Close Combat
• Protect
• Bulk Up

This would be at leadtd better

[jade dust]

I mean I thought special was preferred to not deal with intimidate

[cloud glade]

what is wrong with the format I posted?

[jade dust]

Or use clear amulet

Well it’s viable to lead with a Defiant

[balmy glen]

Stall is fun

[jade dust]

No

[balmy glen]

It’s just a mental battle

[jade dust]

Fuck that

[balmy glen]

W Stall

[shadow wind]

Praise big stall.

[jade dust]

I used to play a stall team but I got bored

[shadow wind]

Ironic.

[jade dust]

Hippowdon was my lead

[knotty mirage]

Isn't stall like the reason why people despise BSS

[shadow wind]

Common Hippowdon W.

[solid frigate]

Its alright,Its a Mixed attacker in Singles but i wanna prioritise on Iron Fist

[solid frigate]

it’s just an Edit for your Set

[jade dust]

It was funny to yawn, stealth rock, slack off and sand stream slowly chipping them away

But when you do a joke 100 times it stops being funny

[shadow wind]

Yuhhh.

Yeah…

Sand tomb + yawn ‼️‼️‼️

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/f06c54a0dc5277d0 how do i play into gambit with this 😭

[shadow wind]

Like King?

[jade dust]

Yeah it’s a good ability but then use clear amulet

[jade dust]

Well I used earthquake to have some damage

[shadow wind]

Probably better anyway.

[shadow wind]

If you’re talking about Kingambit I would just try your hardest to utilize Palafin.

Why I almost always run Flareblitz on Incin though.

[nocturne holly]

Yea

Blitz on incin is risky because I have to give it the defiant boost

[shadow wind]

Then what it sucker punches you?

Oh no maybe even iron head?

From my experience in Kingambit I HATE it when I lead into Incin.

I do see your issue though, 2 ghost types and no super effective moves.

[bold geode]

I love it rn when my P2 can just outlive shit

[solid frigate]

THE ETERNAL DUCK

THE STALL THAT IS ACCEPTABLE

[nocturne holly]

I’m not worried about incin worried about my teammates

incin is the only resist I have to gambit

[shadow wind]

Yeah maybe you need a different Tera for Ghold?

Unless dragon been working.

[nocturne holly]

Dragons good

I basically have to force the tera on it to even be able to t!43/53! It

[shadow wind]

Be able to what?

Also maybe you put high horse power on Rilla?

If you are struggling with gambit that much.

[nocturne holly]

Force the tera lmao dk what happened there

[nocturne holly]

Yea I do have it on him

[shadow wind]

Oh actually? I’m blind.

Yup I’m blind.

Hmm.

Then yeah, you pretty much have to rely on Palafin and Rilla then.

[knotty mirage]

Maybe replace palafin haze with close combat

[nocturne holly]

Haze is my dozo answer

[knotty mirage]

Isn't rilla already an answer for dozo

[craggy dagger]

yesnt

[shadow wind]

Until they tera grass.

Game hath been lost 😔

[craggy dagger]

tera dragon is more common from what i’ve seen

[shadow wind]

Oh really?

I feel like grass is for spore.

[dapper crag]

- [Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fire, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Ice

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[shadow wind]

Or steel for clear smog.

[knotty mirage]

There some who use safety google i think

[shadow wind]

Yeah I think so too actually.

I mean I’ll be thankful if I get a Tera dragon.

Kommo-o gets to cook.

[craggy dagger]

resists fwg and electric-
rather than just water grass electric

[knotty mirage]

Just wondering is people on reg H use oblivous or unaware more on dozo ?

[craggy dagger]

both are good but i’d go unaware

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough if youre openent try to set up ur ussualy fucked

[craggy dagger]

prevents you from being screwed by setup stuff like +3 archaludon or +2 body press +1 moonblast etc

[shadow wind]

I would say unaware is 100% better.

[knotty mirage]

It still makes you really exploitable to fake out incin tho

[shadow wind]

I mean they still can’t really do anything to it.

[nocturne holly]

I got pult for that

[shadow wind]

There aren’t very many nukes this reg.

[craggy dagger]

you also got order up to counter the attack drops

[solid frigate]

child yeeter moment

[shadow wind]

Obviously specs Ghold.

[knotty mirage]

Intimidate cycling do something

[solid frigate]

Ursaluna… Dengo and Baxcalibur

[craggy dagger]

cause now it’s stab order up

[shadow wind]

Ursaluna yeah but I don’t know about Baxcalibur.

[knotty mirage]

And fake out makes you still free to get attacked

[shadow wind]

Maybe my team does just suck into dozo.

Belly drum does nothing against unaware.

😔😔

[craggy dagger]

protect the dozoooooo

most run protect lefties anyways

[knotty mirage]

Unless you try to protect but it's just gonna end up in really awkward situation where you need to predict if they gonna fake out or switch

[shadow wind]

Usually true but at the same time.

Final boss without stat resetting stuff.

[craggy dagger]

thats why you have toxic orb tatsu

[solid frigate]

the one that Wolfey used With Flamigo

[nocturne holly]

why

[solid frigate]

?

[nocturne holly]

oh

not good shit

[knotty mirage]

Oh that team

[craggy dagger]

you get the boost and have another mon on the side

[nocturne holly]

haze

clear smog

[solid frigate]

its hard to Pilot

[shadow wind]

It is.

[knotty mirage]

Yeah that team really do screwed alot by haze

[craggy dagger]

i’m eating and the thought of this just makes me want to throw up

[solid frigate]

I’m not suprised if they made an Item that gives it Good as Gold cuz Gamefreak likes to troll us

[forest arrow]

We dicussed this yesterday. You arent gaming if you dont have 3 rock types

[craggy dagger]

True

[solid frigate]

nah nah 4

[shadow wind]

Heck why not 5?

[craggy dagger]

just go mono ttar

[solid frigate]

mono Rock could work lmao

[forest arrow]

^

cant beat 6 ttar

[shadow wind]

But what about Barbaracle.

My goat.

[solid frigate]

what

[knotty mirage]

I think there just a time where dondozo get fake out lock by incin and rilla switch in

[forest arrow]

oh mono

im dumb lol

[craggy dagger]

no i meant 6 ttar-

a mono ttar team of 6

[forest arrow]

okay good XD

[shadow wind]

Yeah they meant it, but I stand for Barbaracle.

[solid frigate]

also like i think Maushold kinda is the second best Encore user cuz it can encore Dark types

which Whimsicott kinda struggles to do it,Especially from Incin

[shadow wind]

Yeah.

[craggy dagger]

looks over at cinccino

[shadow wind]

Maushold is very good.

[forest arrow]

I hate mausape but-

[solid frigate]

that Gremlin lol

[forest arrow]

I love mausape

make sense?

[solid frigate]

double sided lol

[forest arrow]

very much lol

although redirection and knocking out mouse and youre fine lol

[solid frigate]

like i hate Ting Lu but i also like Ting Lu

it does not make sense but whatever

[bold geode]

Of course babe

[forest arrow]

hey hey babe

[bold geode]

Hey babe

Looking cute as ever

[solid frigate]

[forest arrow]

me? youre little dangling bang over youre face gets me everytime

I just have whiskers

lol

[solid frigate]

lol

[zinc totem]

does tera boost final gambit damage? (i dont think it does but i need to know)

[atomic mural]

no

[zinc totem]

yeah i assumed so

i saw scarfape go tera fighting but i dont know what move they went on beacuse i OHKO'd it

[bold geode]

Ooh stop babe you're cute too

Like look at you here
So dashing

[zinc totem]

im curious does SD determine meta

[nocturne holly]

Bo3 anyone

[chrome knot]

limitless tours & regionals

[zinc totem]

yeah guessed so cuz i met dude who tried argue SD is meta determining place

[shadow wind]

Yeah, after one of those there’s usually a spark in certain types of teams.

[shadow wind]

It can sure happen especially if spectators are on and super high elo but a lot of people just have spectators off so meh.

[zinc totem]

yeah but also SD skillcap is super low in general, meaning to even get close for SD have meta is Bo3 ladder i think and need be high ranks somewhere 1400-1600

i can be wrong with my statement but feels like it

[shadow wind]

True, there is a massive difference between Bo1 and Bo3.

[torn parrot]

Fuckin rain teams

🦦

It’s all I face

I swear

[zinc totem]

hah luckily you've not faced mine but i meet after you torkoal teams with mausape backup

or darn scarfapes

[next stump]

I think it’s usually something along the lines of:

1. High elo Showdown players play against eachother and are exposed to other high elo teams and strategies
2. High elo players adapt their teams to have better matchups/game plans into what they’re commonly seeing on the high ladder
3. Real life tournaments (or large online tournaments) will happen where players use these newly adapted teams
4. Players that have success in these “high stakes” tournaments then see their teams become popular and the cycle continues

[torn parrot]

What’s yours lookin like?

[zinc totem]

hoodra basculegion and indeedee trickroom azumarill

[torn parrot]

I like it it sounds like a fun time

[zinc totem]

i think you've seen them in other sv server

[torn parrot]

Oh ye
I don think iv seen this version tho

[nocturne holly]

Lost a game because of a high horsepower miss

[molten oasis]

[shadow wind]

Happens.

Highmiss power amiright??

[jade dust]

Only dragon resists both grass and fire right?

[next stump]

Fire does as well

[jade dust]

Right

I’m using tera fire serperior and I’m thinking if there is anything that can fully resist it

But it also learns dragon pulse

[shadow wind]

Why not Tera stellar?

[jade dust]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Brain is fried.

[jade dust]

Leaf storm, tera blast and dragon pulse

And protect

[shadow wind]

Yuh, tera stellar.

[jade dust]

So only like, Heatran can resist all that

Cuz it’s immune to fire

Or a fire fairy but that doesn’t exist

[shadow wind]

Why not Tera stellar?

[jade dust]

Cuz it sucks

[shadow wind]

But contrary ‼️‼️

[jade dust]

Serperior wants to click leaf storm

And tera stellar only boost the move once

[craggy dagger]

fair

[shadow wind]

Better than not boosting it all in my opinion.

And Tera stellar can’t be resisted.

[jade dust]

Yeah but nothing resists dragon, fire and grass besides Hetran and a fire/fairy which doesn’t exist

And Heatran will be banned

[shadow wind]

That is true but I don’t see how Tera stellar is worse then.

[craggy dagger]

but stellar blast contrary js better imo

[shadow wind]

It covers everything and switch ins.

[jade dust]

It doesn’t help defensively either

[shadow wind]

Well yeah.

[jade dust]

With tera fire it can has a defensive way to survive a flare blitz

[craggy dagger]

i’d like to point out that
stellar tera is a purely offensive tera type-

[shadow wind]

Yuh.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 497: Serperior

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/75/95/75/95/113

Total

528

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[shadow wind]

95 defenses is sick.

[jade dust]

Yeah I know, but only really terapagos wants it

[craggy dagger]

i’d also like to point out that it’s not living anything with that bulk

[jade dust]

Or maybe Zacian

[craggy dagger]

tell that to stellar chien pao and stellar scarf urshifu

[shadow wind]

I feel like I also saw Tera stellar flutter at some point.

[craggy dagger]

i’m sorry but stellar can work on anything

[jade dust]

I mean 95 defenses is good

[craggy dagger]

yuh-
immune to fake out and a boosted dazzling gleam is cool

[jade dust]

The HP is kinda lacking tho

[shadow wind]

Yeah it is.

[craggy dagger]

not good enough to run bulk-

[shadow wind]

Sash that baby up ‼️‼️

[craggy dagger]

you’re better off running max max

stellar tera to go zoomies

[jade dust]

It’s not necessarily running bulky either but gives a defensive tera to use in case needed

[molten oasis]

Not discussing reg h? Eww

[shadow wind]

We are.

[jade dust]

I am

[molten oasis]

Oh

[craggy dagger]

pretty sure stellar tera serpieror is reg H

[shadow wind]

Who would willingly talk about Serp in Reg G.

[craggy dagger]

just talking about stellar right now

[molten oasis]

I just took a quick glance and saw flutter and Pagos I think lol

[craggy dagger]

i mean

[shadow wind]

Examples.

[jade dust]

I’m talking about how nothing will be resistant to tera fire serperior with dragon pulse

[molten oasis]

oh we’re discussing the insanely mid ass serperior pick

[craggy dagger]

i don’t blame you drago

[jade dust]

Only Heatran can resist that and will be banned

[craggy dagger]

you see pagos and flutter and we’re back in reg G

[shadow wind]

Nothing will be resistant to Tera stellar either!!

[shadow wind]

What?

[jade dust]

True but like I said, tera fire is overall better

[molten oasis]

Serperior is a pretty middle of the road Mon

[craggy dagger]

for what reason

[molten oasis]

Contrary doesn’t save it from mediocrity

[shadow wind]

It kind of does.

[craggy dagger]

pickles however…

[jade dust]

Resisting the grass weaknesses?

[molten oasis]

No it doesn’t

[shadow wind]

Baffling take.

[molten oasis]

Uh huh

[craggy dagger]

and become water weak in a water heavy format?
no thanks

[gentle crag]

interstellarlatte has given 1 Gen Rep to shrekers

[molten oasis]

Whatever you say man

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

pickles however…

[jade dust]

Serperior deals a lot of damage with life orb

[molten oasis]

So does

[jade dust]

And leaf storm is very powerful

[molten oasis]

Anything else? What’s your point

[craggy dagger]

drago does have a point here

[jade dust]

It’s a nasty plot with 130 power

[craggy dagger]

okay and?

[shadow wind]

It hits incredibly hard.

[craggy dagger]

it can miss

[shadow wind]

Tera stellar Tera blast can’t !!

[molten oasis]

And hit like a wet noodle

[craggy dagger]

yuh

[jade dust]

So Draco meteor

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

Yes.

[jade dust]

And still is the best dragon attack

[craggy dagger]

right but do you even know why people use draco?

[molten oasis]

At least Draco hits almost everything for neutral

[shadow wind]

At +2 it isn’t hitting like a wet noodle.

[molten oasis]

+2 from base 75 spa is not that good

[craggy dagger]

leaf storm sucks ass compared to other grass moves in the game atm

[jade dust]

Or with life orb. That leaf storm hits hard

[shadow wind]

Exactly.

[molten oasis]

Especially when something like nasty plot gholdengo can just wipe teams with nasty plot into make it rain

[craggy dagger]

unlike draco meteor which-
there’s not really any better dragon type moves

[molten oasis]

Breaking swipe

[craggy dagger]

offensive wiseeeee

[shadow wind]

Dragon hammer !!

[molten oasis]

Yea Draco’s probably the best dragon type move

[craggy dagger]

i forgot that move even existed

[shadow wind]

Dragon hammer is actually a great move.

[dapper crag]

Move: Dragon Hammer

No additional effect.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[jade dust]

Leaf storm is good and getting boosted by it is a big deal

[shadow wind]

Too bad 2 special attackers get it.

[molten oasis]

Slightly better dragon claw

[ornate elk]

Goldengoat

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
not really

75 to boost +2 hits like a car i guess-

[molten oasis]

Say that to a gholdengo, or a rillaboom, or an incin, or even a Tauros

A toy car

[shadow wind]

Thing is that it just gets to spam these moves though.

[molten oasis]

That I yeeted at the opponents face

[craggy dagger]

i was gonna say one of those soapbox cars but uh
sure-

[molten oasis]

lol

[shadow wind]

Being able to spam a stab move that nothing resists while getting boosts is great.

Imagine Torch song but you can’t resist it.

[jade dust]

You can hit all those with dragon pulse at +2

[molten oasis]

and do what damage?

It’s not stab

[shadow wind]

Yeah Gholdengo taking like 30%…

[jade dust]

It still hits hard

[craggy dagger]

and hit like a singular dry spaghetti slapping you across the face?
i’d rather the wet noodle leaf storm

[shadow wind]

If we talking tera stellar tera blast though.

Now that can hit somewhat hard.

[craggy dagger]

now you’ve got a windup toy car

the soapbox would do more damage

[shadow wind]

252 SpA Contrary Tera Stellar (First Use) Serperior Tera Blast (100 BP) over 3 turns vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 204-241 (105.1 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed KO in 3 turns

[molten oasis]

Alright soooo

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

[nocturne holly]

holy fuck I hate this game

[molten oasis]

This is getting nowhere

[craggy dagger]

so a wet noodle

[shadow wind]

Bro needs 3 to kill.

[molten oasis]

You guys are too stubborn

[shadow wind]

Never mind this mon kind of sucks.

[craggy dagger]

now you know?

[foggy lodge]

what happened

[shadow wind]

After comparing to Gholdengo a little.

[solid frigate]

at least he know

unlike someone

[shadow wind]

Although Tera stellar Tera blast is great.

[craggy dagger]

thank you

[jade dust]

75 SpcA at +2 is powerful. We have had trash stats mons being powerful like Dracovish

[shadow wind]

Just have offensive pressure and force a Tera then wreck house.

[solid frigate]

for me its meh

[shadow wind]

I just like it as safety.

[solid frigate]

hell,Cuz it does not use The Special Attack stat-

[craggy dagger]

because it got strong jaw and doubled base power when it moved first-

base power > stat boosts

[solid frigate]

Dracovish is strong cuz Strong Jaw+Stab+Fishous Rend Buff

[shadow wind]

No matter what CTS stuff happens Tera stellar Tera blast will be hitting for neutral or super effective.

[molten oasis]

You got this nova, I believe in your convincing capabilities

[solid frigate]

it can Almost OHKO Palkia

Yes PALKIA

[shadow wind]

That’s wild.

[craggy dagger]

haha thanks i guess

[molten oasis]

I don’t wanna argue with these 2 anymore

[solid frigate]

i think i did the calcs 2 times before lol

[shadow wind]

Maybe in grassy terrain 🤔🤔

[shadow wind]

Bro hates reading half my messages.

[dapper crag]

Move: Tera Blast

If the user is Terastallized, this move becomes a physical attack if the user's Attack is greater than its Special Attack, including stat stage changes, and this move's type becomes the same as the user's Tera Type. In addition, if the user's Tera Type is Stellar, this move has 100 power, is super effective against Terastallized targets and neutral against other targets, and lowers the user's Attack and Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[shadow wind]

I literally admitted that serp is kind of dust.

[craggy dagger]

hey if you want to use

[shadow wind]

At least serp is usable.

[craggy dagger]

contrary-
i’d like to present
trick room pickles

[foggy lodge]

Ahhh so that's why they used tera stellar tera blast on serperior

[shadow wind]

Yuh.

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-damn-bro-daamn-that-was-obvious-realising-gif-24880382

[shadow wind]

Except they wanted Tera fire.

[craggy dagger]

pickles aka um
lurantis

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[ornate elk]

Funny mentis pokemon

[solid frigate]

Like a Said.

If you wanna use that Pokémon,You have to find what the niche it Covers,

Like For Example,My Iron Crown Is for Calyrex Ice Rider

[craggy dagger]

@chrome knot you haven’t given up on pickles yet have you

[solid frigate]

who ye hell is Pickles

[craggy dagger]

Pickles the Lurantis

[solid frigate]

oh ok

anyways

[chrome knot]

i did yes

[craggy dagger]

NOOOOO

[chrome knot]

shes being babysat by luna

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

@shadow wind i think that if you wanna use Serperior,Can you tell me what niche it covers for your Team and Explain why this Pokemon can do what others can’t?

[chrome knot]

im sorry shes actually trash bruh

[shadow wind]

It’s not me that wants to use it 😭😭😭

[solid frigate]

Lemme Guess.

Shrekers?

[craggy dagger]

okay Aegis what
are you becoming Interrogation Tofu Pt. 2?

[shadow wind]

Mhm.

Being wrongfully accused over here.

[solid frigate]

hey i just wanna know how they think about using it

[shadow wind]

Now personally I’m backing TOXTRICITY‼️‼️‼️

[craggy dagger]

fine

you give up on your babies too easily

[solid frigate]

this one i can actually see it work cuz not too many Electric Types in the Meta besides Rotom or Pawmot

[shadow wind]

Yuhhh.

[craggy dagger]

i’m scared for your children now

[chrome knot]

no i just wanna win and winning means using good pokemon

[foggy lodge]

Is pawmot even a thing

[solid frigate]

see thats the Niche i can see it work

[chrome knot]

pickle can ride with me to events however she is not playing

[foggy lodge]

I've only seen rotom and electabuzz

[ornate elk]

Froslass = goat

[shadow wind]

Carpool 🚗🚗

[solid frigate]

Revival Blessing Support?

[foggy lodge]

Has fake out?

[shadow wind]

Upper hand too.

That too.

[solid frigate]

i think it has one

[shadow wind]

Also he hits quite hard.

[chrome knot]

0% usage mon🔥🔥

[foggy lodge]

Then maybe it could work huh

[shadow wind]

Double shock + CC is a good combo.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 923: Pawmot

Types

Electric/Fighting

Abilities

Volt Absorb, Natural Cure, Iron Fist (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/115/70/70/60/105

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[ornate elk]

💪

(Just trolling)

[foggy lodge]

Echonomical Iron Hands

[shadow wind]

Yeah real.

Iron hands on a cut.