#competitive_discussion

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solid frigate
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Just to be weary of Fari and you good to go

chrome knot
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tf is fairy blast for

timber falcon
solid frigate
knotty mirage
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I have question can clear amulet block snarl sp attack drop ?

chrome knot
knotty mirage
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Ah so i wonder with some people using covert cloak on their caly s for that exact purpose is it good idea to use clear amulet instead ?

solid frigate
timber falcon
knotty mirage
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But what if my caly just have tera ghost

solid frigate
knotty mirage
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Yeah but clear amulet do the job better right

next stump
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covert cloak has the added benefit (even if tera ghost) of avoiding stuff like flinches

solid frigate
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not really

mighty stump
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Cause that's the stat drop that CoCloak doesn;t stop

solid frigate
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both do different thingys

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Tera Ghost i would say CA is fine

mighty stump
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If you're Tera Ghost i'd just go Specs tbh

solid frigate
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or Sash but eh

chrome knot
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go sitrus

knotty mirage
nocturne holly
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You really want e speed on harc

timber falcon
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is head smash on harc fine

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i wasnt gettint as much value with intimidate i dont think

next stump
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if you’re not getting value w/ intimidate then you’re probably not using it correctly

chrome knot
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eat

simple stratus
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Guys Rotom-W or Regenerator Toxapex?

timber falcon
solid frigate
chrome knot
timber falcon
chrome knot
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he is switching .

timber falcon
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never thought that they were gonna do that tbh

solid frigate
chrome knot
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excadrill options are:
attack (die or sleep to die next turn/ be useless rest of game)
switch out & prevent sleep and readjust boardstate

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i wonder which one seems favourable

timber falcon
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yes i know i piloted bad there

solid frigate
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Whimsicott be like:I’m fast as fuck but at what cost

nocturne holly
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Choice band meow scarasa does a lot of damage 😔

solid frigate
nocturne holly
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with helping hand it did like 50% to dengo

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Idk if it terad

solid frigate
nocturne holly
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it also had an intim drop

nocturne holly
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Wait flower trick is always a crit intim didn’t matter

solid frigate
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I don’t really run Play Rough on Meow so i just go for Sash or Lorb with Flower Trick,Sucker/Knock Off,Protect and Triple Axel

solid frigate
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But Grass type

solid frigate
chrome knot
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i run band so no need for protection

nocturne holly
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Yea u turn on it is great

solid frigate
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but Lorb is still experimental phase

timber falcon
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max speed rilla🫠

chrome knot
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@keanufps do you have the michael zhang zam ttar paste i can use after worlds for last reg g local :3

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@balmy glen

solid frigate
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unless you mean Band Rilla

balmy glen
chrome knot
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oh lit

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actually not lit

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thats a diff ver no? unless mdb covered the ttar ver asw

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or did it always have ttar im gaslighting myself rn

jade dust
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What evs are good for primarina?

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MAx Hp and SpcA? Or points in defense?

chrome knot
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theres a % chance lexibuzz player is at local & i know they struggle vs that variant

silk stream
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https://pokepast.es/ed910324b3438c60
What do u guys think of this, been enjoying it on the ladder. Just need to become a better pilot lol. Anything major u guys would suggest changing?

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One thing i might change, is put sunny day on the crow, over taunt as i wasnt using it much. to help play against rain teams

chrome knot
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ur gholdengo needs work

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same with hisui arcanine

craggy dagger
silk stream
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u not a fan of roar. I just liked the fact it was working thru protect and could help shut down set ups

craggy dagger
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on something that fragile-?

silk stream
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well usally it would get rid of the thing threatening it, and move before.

chrome knot
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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go. you stink so bad

spiral ridge
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The emote literally has stink waves coming off of it poliwhirlkek

jade dust
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Lol Gholdengo prevented the trick room

chrome knot
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STOP LOL

solid frigate
jade dust
torn parrot
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@chrome knot

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I found this and it was cute

chrome knot
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woaahh

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thats cute (!)

jade dust
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HGoodra is so tanky

tulip peak
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Dont you just love it when your pokemon misses at a crucial time and makes you lose 😦

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cries in origin pulse missing

chrome knot
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okay

tulip peak
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oh god I just realized I forgot to ev train something

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wait no wth then how did lando-t outspeed

chrome knot
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scarf mon

tulip peak
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I had overqwill w/ swift swim active too hm

shut swallow
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This anger point team is really funny

chrome knot
bold geode
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Emma guess what

shut swallow
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This guy running fakeout and then alternating wide guard

chrome knot
midnight bison
bold geode
midnight bison
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i figured we'd both start with it but i wasnt sure how one would take priority ver the other

bold geode
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This

bold geode
nocturne holly
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must’ve been a very fast ttar

bold geode
nocturne holly
midnight bison
bold geode
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Gotta run some ape for Pelipper now

midnight bison
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and my ttar was faster

nocturne holly
midnight bison
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so slower pokemon get their weather effect

nocturne holly
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that outspeeds max spe modest peli

bold geode
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He's Jolly 252 ape

nocturne holly
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Yea makes sense ape is the best

midnight bison
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actualy

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but does it work like the slower pokemon gets their weather effect to last on turn 1?

nocturne holly
nocturne holly
midnight bison
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does it matter if i chose ttar second vs first

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in the pick order at the beginning of the battle

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like if they chose pelipper as their first and i chose ttar as my second i would go second

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or do the first two go out at the same time and then speed decides it

nocturne holly
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Wdym

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the position of the 2 that you lead doesn’t affect anything

midnight bison
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ok

nocturne holly
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If you kept ttar in the back you could switch it in after and get sand

midnight bison
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i would've if i knew that ttar was gonna be faster

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and that thats how the interactino works

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is it common for people ot have really slow pelippers?

nocturne holly
midnight bison
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ok

molten oasis
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people really like decidueye huh

nocturne holly
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Decidueye mid

next stump
eternal kiln
solid frigate
molten oasis
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And scrappy

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I feel that’s the only reason people are running it

foggy lodge
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ok thanks

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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So does Flamigo tho

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Both flying and fighting coverage are lacking in the meta, I think flamigo has potential

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 973: Flamigo
Types

Flying/Fighting

Abilities

Scrappy, Tangled Feet, Costar (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

82/115/74/75/64/90

Total

500

nocturne holly
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Oh flamigo gets scrappy?

molten oasis
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Yep

dapper crag
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Decidueye-Hisui [Grass/Fighting]
Hits for 0.5x

Bug, Flying, Poison

Hits for 1x

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Psychic, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Dark, Ground, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Water

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Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui
Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

bold geode
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Flamigo is scrappy

dapper crag
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Flamigo [Flying/Fighting]
Hits for 1x

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

molten oasis
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Better attack too

nocturne holly
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deci is bulkier and works in tr

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Idk 🤷‍♂️

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Just use ape smh

bold geode
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Does Haze get rid of the user's stuff too?

molten oasis
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Yes

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It affects all

nocturne holly
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haze shouldn’t affect dengo

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not good 😡

pallid hare
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technically it can because gholdengo isnt being the one targeted. haze, when used, targets the user and everything else is affected afterwards

vapid zinc
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put this in the wrong chat by mistake oops

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I have a lapras w the Quiet Nature (playing X so I can't change the nature), I should be focused on his Sp.ATK and Speed right?

molten oasis
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Lapras is pretty slow, so idk the is super necessary

vapid zinc
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I want to use him for a casual playthrough

molten oasis
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Just a spa increasing nature would be fine

vapid zinc
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ah okie!!

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would a def ev, sp.def ev, or hp ev be better aside from spatk?

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 131: Lapras
Types

Water/Ice

Abilities

Water Absorb, Shell Armor, Hydration (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/85/80/85/95/60

Total

535

molten oasis
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defense

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and hp

vapid zinc
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split it between hp and def?

molten oasis
vapid zinc
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oh wait

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I get what you mean now grimsleybreakdown

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yeah hp and def would be better

timber falcon
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how did people run glimmora?

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looking back at pikalytics reg E and C, im seeing a ton of AV sets

next stump
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yeah it was mostly AV before it got access to meteor beam

foggy lodge
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Really?

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I thought it was just sash

next stump
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sash with power gem/sludge bomb/coverage move also was around

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but I think I personally saw more mortal spin AV glimmora

timber falcon
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i think glimmora was what i needed, looking at my team before there were 3 typings i legit just couldnt hot well, ghost, fairy, poison

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maybe incin > harc here? i gain a dark type mon giving me immunity to psyspam, acces to more fake out for kommo-o, and many more tools

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and with the addition of glimmora, i have an new offensive option with a wider range of targets

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and icy wind swampert has been a massive help

pearl wind
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do you use liquidation on swampert?

nocturne holly
dapper crag
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Swampert [Water/Ground]
Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Poison, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (4x)

Grass

Type Notes

Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

timber falcon
chrome knot
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why support swampert bruh just use gastrodon

timber falcon
nocturne holly
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Yea what I was gonna say

dapper crag
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Gastrodon's moveset:
Physical Moves

Body Slam, Bulldoze, Counter, Dig, Dive, Earthquake, Facade, Fissure, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Skitter Smack, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Clear Smog, Earth Power, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Infestation, Mirror Coat, Mud Bomb, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Round, Scald, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Spit Up, Surf, Tera Blast, Trump Card, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Acid Armor, Amnesia, Attract, Block, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Hail, Harden, Helping Hand, Memento, Mist, Mud Sport, Pain Split, Protect, Rain Dance, Recover, Rest, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Stockpile, String Shot, Substitute, Swagger, Swallow, Toxic, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gastrodon.

timber falcon
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Wide guard helps

nocturne holly
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Gastro doesn’t get wide guard and really that’s the only thing

pearl wind
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ah oki, couldve also gone for flip turn to get into a better position once you yawn'd a pokémon (slow swap on their switch) but if liquidation is useful dats good yesyesyesyes

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 423: Gastrodon
Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sand Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

111/83/68/92/82/39

Total

475

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Pokémon No. 260: Swampert
Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

timber falcon
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Also a tad more bulky? And a tad more damage? Could be wrong haven’t done the calcs

foggy lodge
timber falcon
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The most important reason though

molten oasis
timber falcon
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Was cause I wanted to use swampert

molten oasis
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Trying to make them work, yk

timber falcon
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Mhm

molten oasis
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Low power format, so, everyone wants to use favorites

timber falcon
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Might as well grab the opportunity

nocturne holly
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Honestly decidueye sounds like a blast to use

timber falcon
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I’ve thought about it, and lost to one :/

molten oasis
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Go for it

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I ain’t touching one lol

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I’ve also beat all of the ones I’ve seen so far

timber falcon
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Honestly an AV set doesn’t sound too far fetched

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui
Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

molten oasis
timber falcon
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I’m disappointed I didn’t think of that

craggy dagger
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of what

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oh-
i have a hisuian decidueye built from reg F-

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
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careful is +SpDef right-

molten oasis
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I feel like you’d want speed to encore lock stuff no?

timber falcon
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Out of the follow me mons, why the mouse, for which situations?

molten oasis
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Fast friend guard is nice

molten oasis
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Also you probably want protect to keep friend guard active longer

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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Mk

timber falcon
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Any MUs that are a problem

dapper crag
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No drought is it possible to defeat kyogre teams?

timber falcon
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Wide guard

dapper crag
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Special attacker

timber falcon
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Outspeed + nuke

dapper crag
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Usually with tornado so I need someone tailwind

timber falcon
nocturne holly
timber falcon
nocturne holly
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ye

nocturne holly
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Taunt and encore are also quite nice

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I should prob put some spe into it

timber falcon
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Is protect not valuable for a friend guard mon?

molten oasis
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POV worlds players

timber falcon
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As drago said

molten oasis
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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Why

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Encore locking stuff is funny

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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Yes you do

timber falcon
craggy dagger
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plus it’s already fast enough to do stuff-
but i’d protect over encore if you’re running beefy maus

molten oasis
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It’s 131 without speed

timber falcon
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Good enuff

craggy dagger
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that’s still pretty fast-

molten oasis
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I guess

timber falcon
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Anything faster than timid peli is good enough imo

craggy dagger
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it’s not-
the fastest-
but 131 is pretty fast for something that can super fang

molten oasis
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Could matter for harc (if not banded) and ddance mons (Bax)

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Dondozo for encore locks

craggy dagger
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isn’t max speed dozo-

timber falcon
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Good enough != good

gentle cragBOT
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Result: 190.000000

molten oasis
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Wdyt I’m referring to for dozo

craggy dagger
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oh

molten oasis
craggy dagger
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i just remember dozo running more bulk than speed

molten oasis
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Not to me, good enough isn’t enough

timber falcon
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That’s what I meant

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!= is supposed to mean not equal

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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Exactly

timber falcon
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Good enough = ok, right?

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Or am I missing something

molten oasis
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Also surprisingly I’ve not seen very much dondozo

molten oasis
timber falcon
molten oasis
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Good

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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I hate dondozo

molten oasis
timber falcon
molten oasis
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I hate palafin

craggy dagger
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all i’m seeing is sunroom via lilligant unnova-

molten oasis
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(I think Primarina is the best water type in the format rn)

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That and peli

craggy dagger
timber falcon
molten oasis
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Is trash and always will be

craggy dagger
molten oasis
timber falcon
craggy dagger
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fuck yeah!
we love losing momentum because you have to switch to a priority move LappHappy

molten oasis
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Kek

timber falcon
molten oasis
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That’s gotta be cap wut

timber falcon
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Meanwhile I’m letting a huge sigh went archaludon and peli on my screen

molten oasis
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How have you not seen Primarina

craggy dagger
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i’ll be honest-
swampert has potential but like it falls short cause of grassy glide

molten oasis
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I feel like it’s fairly common

timber falcon
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Not as much as peli, last time I saw it was a while ago today

molten oasis
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Ok, peli’s a support

craggy dagger
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there’s obv more peli because of rain support

timber falcon
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Still water type

molten oasis
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Prima’s offensive

timber falcon
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True

molten oasis
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I was more talking in an offensive matter

timber falcon
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Like for a core?

molten oasis
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Overall I also still think Primarina is better over peli due to it being a little more placable in teams

craggy dagger
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no-
like how many offensive water types are in the game

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
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built to be a “sweeper”

molten oasis
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There aren’t cuz we don’t have shifu lol

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Primarina is a bulky set up or a bulky sweeper

timber falcon
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Weather ball neutral isn’t fun

molten oasis
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Weather ball also gets shut down by any weather control

craggy dagger
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i’ve seen some milotic and empoleon

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Sand and sun are VERY relevant rn

craggy dagger
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on paper, milotic is a good counter meta pick :0

molten oasis
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More sun, sand is relevant

timber falcon
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Rain is dominating

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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Then it’s not not that big of a problem

craggy dagger
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that’s why you run cloud nine altaria RobinLurk

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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If other weathers were straight up irrelevant then sure

dapper crag
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Speaking of encore I did a match earlier starting with clayrex ghost and whimscot my opponent used trick room. I usually start with indeedee female imprison but that Pokémon is uncommon to me that I didn’t even know it has trick room so switch in my indeedee then I realized why don’t I just encore so I did but I forgot to get back to indeedee so I used a prankster move while putting the terrain

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Saying that sun and rain mu isn’t relevant for rain is kinda dumb

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 350: Milotic
Type

Water

Abilities

Marvel Scale, Competitive, Cute Charm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/60/79/100/125/81

Total

540

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Primarina is meta and rillaboom nukes it, so what

craggy dagger
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coil setup or flame orb marvel scale

timber falcon
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Prim is meta?

nocturne holly
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Coilnosis 💀

craggy dagger
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though the latter is less used

craggy dagger
molten oasis
timber falcon
molten oasis
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So yes, imo it’s meta

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I give up

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 334: Altaria
Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Natural Cure, Cloud Nine (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/90/70/105/80

Total

490

Other Formes

Altaria-Mega

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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You win this argument is going nowhere

craggy dagger
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huh-
that’s a lot bulkier than i thought-

timber falcon
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It is going nowhere

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I’ll take that w though

molten oasis
timber falcon
spiral ridge
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Coilnosis?

molten oasis
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I hope you lose every game with swampert

craggy dagger
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base 70 on both attacks though-
eughhh

timber falcon
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Ew

dapper crag
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Move: Coil

Raises the user's Attack, Defense, and accuracy by 1 stage.

Type

Poison

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

spiral ridge
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Altaria learns that?

nocturne holly
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Does hypnosis become guaranteed after 1

nocturne holly
molten oasis
spiral ridge
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Oh milotic my bad

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Wow good job

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Maybe using something not bad would get you a higher elo

craggy dagger
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oh i know an idea for altaria in face of archaludon-
fake out archa and alluring voice it smile1

timber falcon
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Nuh uh

nocturne holly
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aight guys I think we should stop 😭

dapper crag
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Move: Alluring Voice

Has a 100% chance to confuse the target if it had a stat stage raised this turn.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

spiral ridge
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Lmao

nocturne holly
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does confusion even that bad tho on it

craggy dagger
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stamina +1
then alluring voice confusion

timber falcon
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Ofc I see primarina now

nocturne holly
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like its physical atk is abssmal

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*abysmal

craggy dagger
molten oasis
timber falcon
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Coincidence

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I’m about to lose to it

craggy dagger
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smth like this i guess

Altaria @ Leftovers
Ability: Cloud Nine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Haze
  • Tailwind
  • Moonblast
  • Protect
molten oasis
craggy dagger
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cloud nine on paper is good

molten oasis
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I think peli has more usage because of Archaludon

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Idt it’s because it itself is super strong

craggy dagger
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rain support for archaludon to rain electric balls from the sky

molten oasis
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It’s good, I think it’s one of the best mons in the format for sure

timber falcon
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Archaludon carries

molten oasis
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I still think Primarina is the better water type, overall

timber falcon
nocturne holly
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Peli is just good

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Rain is also just good

craggy dagger
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though imo

timber falcon
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I think peli provides more

craggy dagger
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no miss stab hurricane is nice

molten oasis
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It’s just my opinion, I think in an unbiased situation peli is better

molten oasis
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Again, it’s the better support Mon

craggy dagger
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as someone who’s unbiased towards both of them-
i prefer prim-

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fairy coverage is really nice this reg because not many hard hitting fairies that have been explored atm

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
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stfu scotty-
you’re doing better than me
how

spiral ridge
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I don’t use peli ??? 😭

timber falcon
craggy dagger
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me stuck in 1000-
scotty over in 1400 KEKW_Cry

spiral ridge
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I’m talking last reg with kyogre jug

craggy dagger
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with that team too

molten oasis
craggy dagger
#

anyways now’s not the time to be salty

timber falcon
spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

YEA

timber falcon
#

Oh well that makes sense

molten oasis
#

it’s my main Mon im playing lol

craggy dagger
#

lmao-
ofc he uses prim-

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why else would he defend prim this hard

molten oasis
#

I got 5th with it in regulation F

spiral ridge
#

Ima be real I totally got lucky on the climb I should still be 1200s

nocturne holly
#

Peli is not just a support Pokémon

spiral ridge
#

I don’t deserve it at all PikaLmao

molten oasis
#

I’m gonna defend it I think it’s a great Mon

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

Tbh I look at it as an offensive Mon

molten oasis
#

Especially due to the lack of fairy types rn

craggy dagger
#

okay can we drop this now-

nocturne holly
#

I think they’re both good offensively

spiral ridge
#

What team are they fighting for a spot on?

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

it’s getting really old hearing prim is better than peli-
both do different things so we can’t even compare them properly

molten oasis
#

Sure

spiral ridge
#

Cus each is better in diff situations

craggy dagger
#

yeah

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

anyways i need help with altaria

molten oasis
#

Nah

dapper crag
#
Altaria's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Astonish, Body Slam, Brave Bird, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, False Swipe, Fly, Frustration, Fury Attack, Giga Impact, Iron Tail, Natural Gift, Outrage, Peck, Play Rough, Pluck, Pursuit, Rage, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Alluring Voice, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Incinerate, Moonblast, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Captivate, Confide, Cotton Guard, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Feather Dance, Growl, Haze, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Mimic, Mirror Move, Mist, Perish Song, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Altaria.

solid frigate
molten oasis
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 334: Altaria
Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Natural Cure, Cloud Nine (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/90/70/105/80

Total

490

Other Formes

Altaria-Mega

craggy dagger
solid frigate
#

Omg those stats-

craggy dagger
#

it’s not good

solid frigate
#

Cloud Nine is nice tho

nocturne holly
#

Breaking swipe tw wisp hh?

dapper crag
#
Ability: Cloud Nine

While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.

solid frigate
#

basically Air Lock

spiral ridge
#

Oh sorta like delta stream?

craggy dagger
#

it’s beefy special defense that’s it-
and to think that this thing terrorized gen 5 (or was it 3) with ddance brave bird

spiral ridge
#

Ah air lock is closer yeah

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

i was thinking tera fairy moonblast

nocturne holly
#

all dragons are birds

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
#

but tailwind support yes-

timber falcon
#

Does substitute increase apes rage fist

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

haze tailwind um
bswipe protect?
tera fairy to avoid draco meteors

solid frigate
#

Yeah fair

craggy dagger
#

do i even need to worry about haze

solid frigate
#

EVs?

craggy dagger
#

and can i run wisp instead?

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

clear smog moongus

#

turbo shroom smile1

solid frigate
#

Eh its alright,Amoonguss can tank Dozo

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

nah wisp and smog ruin dozo

#

what does shrine even try to outspeed 😭

craggy dagger
#

um

#

90 speed at 252+

#

KEKW_Cry
but that was a joke

timber falcon
#

just lost to shed tail ape, what am i missing

craggy dagger
#

i wonder if effect spore sitrus might work-

#

to fuck with contact and fake out some more smile1

craggy dagger
timber falcon
#

what happens if i ignore minior

#

after shell smash

solid frigate
#

die

timber falcon
#

i havent touched shields

solid frigate
#

just kidding,Try Double or TR

timber falcon
#

lmao ima ignore it

craggy dagger
#

uh

#

shell smash protect explosion

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and it’s sashed too

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

iirc?

craggy dagger
timber falcon
#

has stone edge

#

acrobatics

#

lmao its that one singles set

molten oasis
#

Sorry for getting things heated

solid frigate
#

its fine

molten oasis
#

I’m defensive about my picks lol

craggy dagger
#

was it um-
white herb shell smash?

timber falcon
craggy dagger
timber falcon
#

easy W

timber falcon
#

legit just left it alone

molten oasis
#

I’m also getting options to explore mons I used to use but can’t anymore cuz restricted format

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Which are prim and kommo-o (scales)

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And a9 although snows in a rough spot rn

dapper crag
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Move: No Retreat

Raises the user's Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed by 1 stage, but it becomes prevented from switching out. The user can still switch out if it uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. If the user leaves the field using Baton Pass, the replacement will remain trapped. Fails if the user has already been prevented from switching by this effect.

Type

Fighting

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

solid frigate
#

I’m just trying Gren and Zoroark but Idk still have to discover more

molten oasis
#

You found a falinks lol

timber falcon
#

why did my yawn fail

solid frigate
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 870: Falinks
Type

Fighting

Abilities

Battle Armor, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/100/100/70/60/75

Total

470

molten oasis
#

Uhhh

#

E terrain?

timber falcon
#

its grasyy

solid frigate
#

E terrain fucking died

timber falcon
#

ended up losing

#

man i really needed that yawn to slow down the momentum

molten oasis
#

Oh lovely my fucking app for the bus just lied to me about when it show up

craggy dagger
#

scales kommo?

molten oasis
#

Clangorous scales/soul

timber falcon
#

BP

craggy dagger
#

i mean that’s its intended purpose RobinShrug

molten oasis
#

Not body press

craggy dagger
#

rather than idbp

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

What are you guys cooking with

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

This and Kommo-o clef sini

solid frigate
timber falcon
#

hmm, the combo of kommo-o and glim on the same team isnt working for me

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maybe i need them to be able to counter each others weaknesses

molten oasis
#

Or maybe

solid frigate
#

honestly my team is just like

Can you safely let Typhlosion spam Eruption

timber falcon
#

stong dark type helps

#

foul play, though i also feeling like tailwing

craggy dagger
timber falcon
#

rilla isnt as much of a problem rn, could drop fire core for a flying type

molten oasis
#

Tera dark deci?

timber falcon
#

psyspam?

craggy dagger
#

avoids psyspam under trick room since AV cannot take that

timber falcon
#

STAB knock

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

takes a um
hurricane i think-
i need to do proper calcs and readjust EVs atm-
it’s kinda just placeholders for now

molten oasis
#

You have 2 lefties

timber falcon
craggy dagger
timber falcon
#

can kommo-o run in tr?

molten oasis
#

Also no ursaluna on a tr esc team is very weird

solid frigate
timber falcon
#

idbp

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 784: Kommo-o
Types

Dragon/Fighting

Abilities

Bulletproof, Soundproof, Overcoat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/110/125/100/105/85

Total

600

Other Formes

Kommo-o-Totem

molten oasis
#

Ehhhh

solid frigate
#

ehhhhhhh not really

timber falcon
#

i mean palkia can

solid frigate
#

mostly a tailwind set

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 484: Palkia
Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

craggy dagger
#

yes but no

molten oasis
#

In a restricted format OTOT

solid frigate
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin
Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

molten oasis
#

when everything is much faster

craggy dagger
#

in a restricted format-
everything is-
10000 times faster

timber falcon
#

yeah i mean for an opton as speed control

solid frigate
#

Kommo-o is gonna be the main damage Dealer

timber falcon
#

cause tw hasnt worked for me in the past

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

ehhh yeah it’s very-
trick roomy which isn’t what i wanted

timber falcon
#

lemme show thw team

#

yes, im using electabuzz for both archa and maus MU

solid frigate
#

FLASH CANNON?

W h a t

timber falcon
#

idk i saw a set that had that lol

#

never made idbp kommo-o

molten oasis
#

Iron head man

solid frigate
#

Just use Iron Head For Flinch chances

molten oasis
#

Flash cannon is for clangorous soul sets

timber falcon
#

oh

craggy dagger
#

whaaaaa

#

i run flash cannon on my idbp set

molten oasis
#

Most run iron head

timber falcon
#

ive missed so many KOs and chip cause of flash cannon lol

#

but i stayed true to the set i stole

molten oasis
#

Well

solid frigate
#

oh boi.

timber falcon
#

im changing it

molten oasis
#

Kommo-o IDBP sets aren’t known for big damage beyond body press

craggy dagger
solid frigate
#

see this is why i never played IDBP passing 1200

molten oasis
#

It’s hard to use

solid frigate
craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

That’s not the same thing lol

solid frigate
timber falcon
#

its cause i only got one good damaging move which is fighting type, and many weaknesses

#

lmao maybe ill just use something easier

craggy dagger
#

honestly debating on whether i need static or if i should run vital spirit follow me

timber falcon
#

static helps beat up pests

#

u can use taunt for moongus if needed

solid frigate
#

basically just run Magmar set but Fire Stab turns to Electric

craggy dagger
timber falcon
molten oasis
#

Ursaluna feels kinda free

craggy dagger
#

attacker maus smile1

craggy dagger
timber falcon
molten oasis
#

Probably Bloodmoon

timber falcon
#

anything for swampert

molten oasis
timber falcon
#

i know, im looking at the chats and taking ideas

molten oasis
#

If you wanna use swampert so bad, idk man

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

It’s not a good Mon lol

solid frigate
craggy dagger
timber falcon
# molten oasis It’s not a good Mon lol

ive seen gloom reach high ladder, creating this team im also hoping to get a deeper understanding on the fundamentals of team building, im making it hard on purpose

craggy dagger
#

i can run fairy blast harc now

solid frigate
molten oasis
solid frigate
#

I run 180 SpD lol

rustic mountain
craggy dagger
#

why does nashville tennessee have their own song on the worlds 2024 album KEKW_Cry

timber falcon
next stump
#

I think I read that song was for 2018 worlds in Nashville

#

but I would love a nashville worlds again

molten oasis
#

Like, I don’t mean to be rude but he’s got more skill than you do

craggy dagger
timber falcon
solid frigate
rustic mountain
timber falcon
#

lmao thats where i got my set, was from u tree

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

cool

craggy dagger
#

typhlosion hisui firefly_catstare

solid frigate
timber falcon
timber falcon
#

also i think it defintely helps

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

yeah it’s not the best way-
there’s much easier

molten oasis
#

You need a deeper understanding of how to teambuild first

craggy dagger
#

but if you enjoy playing games with your fav pokemon then go ahead

solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

hisuan typhloshion kinda meh tbh but maybe it has merit shrug

molten oasis
#

Yes Nova’s right about that

timber falcon
molten oasis
#

But if you’re genuinely trying to get it to work OTOT I think you should try to get a deeper understanding of the teambuilding schtick Yk?

solid frigate
molten oasis
timber falcon
#

is schtick a yt channel

molten oasis
#

No it’s just, nvm

nocturne holly
#

I’m bored 😭

timber falcon
#

any ideas how to improve teambuilding?

molten oasis
#

Play the meta

nocturne holly
#

Dk what to use

molten oasis
#

Watch videos, read team analysis

timber falcon
solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

i can speak from experience actually KEKW_Cry
as someone who just grabbed pokemon they liked and played with them over and over again, you’ll understand the “meta” better with the reps of game while also learning the in and out of the pokemon pure playing

But there’s a much easier way-
you kinda have to know your way around pokemon and how they work. like for meta pokemon, what do they have that make them meta? etc-

molten oasis
#

Play the meta to understand how a team is built

#

And what those pokemon do for eachother

craggy dagger
rustic mountain
#

experience informs ur decisions in rl, its the same for vgc

craggy dagger
#

mhm

timber falcon
rustic mountain
#

u cant build to counter the meta so to speak if u dont know or understand the meta and why things are good

molten oasis
craggy dagger
solid frigate
timber falcon
rustic mountain
#

then y r u forcing it

craggy dagger
#

like throw out your favourite pokemon and niches for a second and just build a meta team for reg H

molten oasis
#

Then why are you playing with it lol

#

Don’t force it dude, sometimes a Mon just sucks

timber falcon
solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

i think u think ur farther along then u are. ur equating time to actual improvement and thats not necessarily always the case

molten oasis
#

Might as well be a message for you too nova arkeknine

solid frigate
#

like My Fav is Greninja and i can try Fast Taunt Support or Hyper Offensive Specs

craggy dagger
#

you gotta know everything about your favourite pokemon-
what does it bring to the table?
does it fit well into a team, etc etc

timber falcon
#

might as well just use a different mon for now i guess. Swampert is too high of a reach for me rn

craggy dagger
nocturne holly
#

yo courtchange Cindy meta?

molten oasis
#

Trust me I understand you wanna make the guy you like work but sometimes it’s dependent on how the meta is, we are in Wild West territory rn so getting very niche stuff to work is not good atm lol

rustic mountain
#

also being a good teambuilder is not common and often requires immense collaboration to achieve a desired result (irl top cut and such). a lot of great players arent good teambuilders

molten oasis
#

Hydrapple took me a month cuz I had to wait for the meta to settle

craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

Yea what tree said

#

Teambuilding is really hard

solid frigate
timber falcon
#

i think with the change from a not so diverse meta to incredibly diverse is having an effect on me lol

molten oasis
#

It takes a long long time to get really good at it

craggy dagger
#

i suck at teambuilding
i just
like using niches and it works-

molten oasis
#

Well you’re having fun it’s whatever lol

timber falcon
#

oh yeah i suck at piloting too lmao

craggy dagger
#

ehhh
not really piloting

solid frigate
#

I’m still using Sample Sets and sometimes do Custom EVs for Vibes based Approach

timber falcon
#

my gameplay most of the time is taking my opponent off guard

#

even in OTS

craggy dagger
# nocturne holly what moves

Cinderace @ Choice Band
Ability: Libero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 164 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 68 SpD / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • U-turn
  • Low Kick
  • Pyro Ball
  • Tera Blast
solid frigate
craggy dagger
solid frigate
rustic mountain
timber falcon
craggy dagger
#

it still fits really well into reg H

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

you'd be surprised
it did a lot of shit you wouldnt expect it to do

timber falcon
craggy dagger
#

though im thinking maybe tera something else instead of fairy

solid frigate
#

ik its you but still

craggy dagger
#

well i guess im gonna
test that altaria team in a showdown room

timber falcon
#

ever since the ray team ive been struggling to teambuild. Im honestly a bit worried about my progress

spiral ridge
#

Have fun hun

solid frigate
#

the weirdest Mon i built Before is Brute Bonnet lol

spiral ridge
#

Ooo? I forgot they existed I do love em

rustic mountain
timber falcon
solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

It work?

rustic mountain
#

you gotta recognize when things just dont work

torn parrot
#

I’m getting pizza today

solid frigate
timber falcon
solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

i guess, something u gotta just work on

spiral ridge
timber falcon
#

cybertron is good for vgc right, or is he not doing reg H

solid frigate
solid frigate
#

in Reg G

spiral ridge
#

Gotcha

torn parrot
timber falcon
#

where is tofus reg H hatenna blog when you need it

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

Nichest thing I’ve used that I can say worked decently is just gallade I haven’t explored much

#

This reg

torn parrot
spiral ridge
#

It’s still working for me PikaLmao

torn parrot
#

like pepperoni and stuff

solid frigate
#

Tho Iron Crown and Iron Boulder in Reg G is kinda working

I just like the future Legendary Paradox Mons besides Iron Leaves

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

It one taps ursa and if they don’t commit to fully being a TR mon then I beat them in TR

craggy dagger
#

nope i fucked up hard

spiral ridge
#

So sorta 50/50 to whether I put speed in or out of TR vs ursa

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

at least idc about elo on my mains

#

its ladder testing :0

nocturne holly
#

horoark team incoming

spiral ridge
#

And it’s hard to learn before I send it in because I only have gambit with a similar speed to gallade and gambit vs gallade might as well just sac to test speed PikaLmao

#

Gambit vs ursa* sorry brain

solid frigate
solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

I’m just always awful with names you’ll find this quick PikaLmao

#

I mix up and forget super often

craggy dagger
#

cloud nine feels really good into um
peli archa leads

nocturne holly
#

normal or blursa

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna
Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Guts, Bulletproof, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/140/105/45/80/50

Total

550

Other Formes

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

solid frigate
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Mind's Eye

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

113/70/120/135/65/52

Total

555

Base Species

Ursaluna

nocturne holly
#

Bro how it get a new form the very next gen it was released

spiral ridge
#

I love both ursas designs so fucking much

nocturne holly
#

Both are sick tho

spiral ridge
#

Genuinely both are designed well it comes down to design taste

solid frigate
nocturne holly
solid frigate
#

am i the only one who love Archaludon

nocturne holly
#

yea no go home

spiral ridge
#

Stapler :3

nocturne holly
#

arch lovers not welcome

solid frigate
solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

i have a big problem with this team

#

altaria is
worse than i thought

nocturne holly
#

What are some good partners for horoark

craggy dagger
forest arrow
#

Lol it does look like a stapler remover now that i look at it XD

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

lmao
yeah

solid frigate
spiral ridge
#

I have a few shiny dura in swsh I meant to bring over for arch

#

Same thing with applin to make a 6 team of dripplin PikaLmao

solid frigate
nocturne holly
craggy dagger
#

blood moon

#

it fakes out opponents cause both get hyper voice

nocturne holly
dapper crag
#
Move: Bitter Malice

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

craggy dagger
#

ugh
i need to find something else to play

#

back to samurott we go

solid frigate
#

Typhlosion-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Blaze
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Eruption
  • Solar Beam
  • Shadow Ball
  • Heat Wave

Insert Badger meme

#

nope i am not using Infernal Paradae

craggy dagger
#

bullet seed hisuian electrode + tera grass ape

#

someone kill me

solid frigate
solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

maybe i should
stop playing vgc for a while

solid frigate
#

i might just only Teambuild and not play games cuz holy hell the sets are unpredictable as heck

solid frigate
#

i might as well stop playing and play Splatoon(2)

craggy dagger
#

i lost 6 games with hamurott today
all to stupid stuff like
bullet seed electrode + grass ape
apple acid idbp appletun
flame orb tera fire guts conkeldurr
no retreat x2 body press falinks
blizzard ice feraligator

solid frigate
#

i kinda hate that-

spiral ridge
#

Jesus

solid frigate
#

Lets just say Early meta is just the most Chaotic Bullshit,its not that Noticiable in Reg G cuz Everything is mostly Standardised

rustic mountain
solid frigate
rustic mountain
solid frigate
pallid hare
#

sheer farce

solid frigate
pallid hare
#

Pee Farce

solid frigate
craggy dagger
#

ill be seeing everyone in a couple days
prolly just spend that time tuning my hamurott team and idbp kommo team ig

craggy dagger
#

or maybe ill make scotty an actual team

spiral ridge
#

Hey :(

solid frigate
#

SCOTTY JOIN US arkeknine

craggy dagger
#

instead of whatever BS that was that he made

spiral ridge
#

It hit 1400..

#

The gothitelle team not so much

craggy dagger
#

after my adjustments yeah

spiral ridge
#

Yeah :)

solid frigate
#

lol

#

exposed

spiral ridge
#

So you did make something why not the current thing 😭

craggy dagger
#

anyways yeah
if theres an argument going on then ping me :0
else um
ig ill just lurk and float

spiral ridge
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The original gothitelle was a 4 am shit show of not knowing how stuff worked and just running with it

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I won more game than you would ever expect

spiral ridge
pallid hare
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now I want a rootbeer float, fuck

solid frigate
spiral ridge
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It’s all based on shadow tag for pala. Not knowing switch moves still worked

pallid hare
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
solid frigate
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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And like so many other things you don’t see in dms cus you’re blind poliwhirlkek

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I mean what

craggy dagger
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uhhhh-
it’s a very-
one trick team

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if you were in open team sheets then you’d prolly lose all element of surprise

spiral ridge
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It’s mainly ghol gallade putting work in kill wise

craggy dagger
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let me remind you that you were running focus blast gothitelle

rustic mountain
spiral ridge
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Shushhhhhh

craggy dagger
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what else did you have…

spiral ridge
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AV pult

rustic mountain
pallid hare
spiral ridge
solid frigate
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Me when Early Meta Teams looks like shi-

craggy dagger
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dragon tail dragapult

solid frigate
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No pls no

craggy dagger
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dazzling gleam dengo and it’s not even specs

spiral ridge
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That was cus I thought palafin could revert to zero form

craggy dagger
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where’s your protect my good sir

spiral ridge
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Next question

spiral ridge
chrome knot
rustic mountain
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as long as u learned w/e

spiral ridge
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I’ve made worse teams and that’s my only excuse

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No attacking moves blaziken

solid frigate
chrome knot
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you shoulddddd stop

solid frigate
pallid hare
spiral ridge
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This was years ago idk what I was doing

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It was substitute set up baton pass

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at least support Blaziken should have an Attacking move-

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And also singles 😭

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I genuinely didn’t know what vgc was back then

craggy dagger
solid frigate
chrome knot
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i doubt this bean

solid frigate
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this bean be like

Imma nom the team

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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stinkity bean :3

spiral ridge
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But sure nova I’m down to make another team than the gallade one just lmk when you wanna

craggy dagger
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stimky emma

chrome knot
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say aaahh.

pallid hare
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why do both emma and delphi stink?

spiral ridge
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Both need to shower ig

pallid hare
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ah

craggy dagger
gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
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No thoughts

Just Mega Pelipper

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
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oops gen rep

pallid hare
spiral ridge
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Reported for Rep farming

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Shit that would take me down with you hmm

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Ah well worth

solid frigate
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lol

chrome knot
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@craggy dagger i brought you home nuggiesssss

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:< be nice to meee

bold geode
solid frigate
bold geode
solid frigate
pallid hare
craggy dagger
solid frigate
bold geode
pallid hare
solid frigate
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seriously am i the only one who skips Yunli and have to face 3 BANNERS

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Insert Sword of Justice Trio theme

balmy glen
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I’m seeing a lot of the judges/commentators/other players putting Zama in 5th or 6th for best restricted

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I guess the big 3 Zama players gotta show out

solid frigate
bold geode
balmy glen
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I’m using such a meta 6 Zama team at worlds but it’s time to game shrug

solid frigate
nocturne holly
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alright I’m bored

solid frigate
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Same

nocturne holly
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My teams been doing well I just don’t know what to use next

solid frigate
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I’m just chilling

solid frigate
pallid hare
balmy glen
nocturne holly
silver ravine
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Triage comfey draining kiss is bullshit

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That is all

limpid jewel
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Y'all think Serperior will be popular in the upcoming format?

solid frigate
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Tho it depends on what your team needs

limpid jewel
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I think if people aren't gonna be using Rillaboom they'll be using serp and incin

solid frigate
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i mean there are other Grass types

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not just these two

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Venusaur can be good

limpid jewel
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That's true