competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

Ouch

[molten oasis]

its low ladder, and im new to what im running rn

[timber falcon]

Cause it is

[cyan smelt]

i think mausape is stupider than farig ursa

[molten oasis]

fair enough

idk how to beat mausape, just gotta learn

[solid frigate]

wait just use Follow Me

[cyan smelt]

that's what i said

[molten oasis]

you think everyone has follow me?

[solid frigate]

You have some how uses it lmao

who*

[molten oasis]

yea

[solid frigate]

Suddenly Missing Ogerpon lol

[molten oasis]

the other part is killing maushold quickly or killing ape early

https://pokepast.es/9fc730a3ba3a8e3b im running this rn

the 6th is still, idk

anyway

idk what you do with swampert i'd just keep trying things

[timber falcon]

Strong spread move?

[molten oasis]

that also helps

[timber falcon]

Psyspam

[molten oasis]

well, yea i think psyspam is pretty decent into mausape

indeedee doesn't care about ape too much

[timber falcon]

and no beat up

Cause follow me

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[timber falcon]

Rocky helmet for population bomb

[cyan smelt]

maus is more support these days

[timber falcon]

I reckon someone can make a nice 2–2-2 strat with psyspam this regulation

[cyan smelt]

no pop bomb

[timber falcon]

Oh

[molten oasis]

some run pop bomb actually

maus can run pop bomb or super fang

[timber falcon]

Tbh I haven’t seen them run use it, I just assume they have it in case

[molten oasis]

i have

annoying duo, but learning to handle it is really improtant

for this format i gotta say

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/tauros-paldeaaqua.png

[molten oasis]

this guy right here

[timber falcon]

How does one ruin archaludons day

[molten oasis]

he's my best friend lol

[molten oasis]

weather control, nuke buttons

[timber falcon]

That mon had be staring at fire tauros for swampert lmao

[molten oasis]

my line for it is getting bax set up or clicking close combat against it with tauros

who does a really good chunk to it

[timber falcon]

My plan is to get a strong spatcker on its case

[molten oasis]

116 Atk Tauros-Paldea-Aqua Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 132-156 (67 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

your option is bloodmoon lol

or psyspam

[timber falcon]

hmmm

[molten oasis]

earth power hydreigon and glimmora also arent terrible options

[timber falcon]

Or……

Electabuzz

[molten oasis]

...

so how are you killing it again?

[timber falcon]

With kindness

Dengo?

[molten oasis]

mm, ig

you can try that out

[timber falcon]

Will do

Not before thinking a tad more

[molten oasis]

i ran trick dengo and lorb EP hydreigon for a bit against archaludon

it wasn't like, great but it did the job

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah I did try hydreigon

Should also mention I tried Hisuian Goodra

[molten oasis]

how'd those go

[timber falcon]

Doesn’t work for the ghosts though

[timber falcon]

Lost to perish trap after not being able to do enough damage

[molten oasis]

ah

if you want to try perish trap as well go ahead

[timber falcon]

Won lost of games with relative ease however

I just needed some different sources of offence

[cyan smelt]

one thing i want to try is scope lens focus energy dragon cheer quaquaval

[timber falcon]

Just use a dragon type

[molten oasis]

could try a rain team with primarina (it gets perish) and goth maybe

better idea, dont run quaquaval

tbh tho if you wanna try that go head

[dapper crag]

Quaquaval's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Aqua Cutter, Aqua Jet, Aqua Step, Brave Bird, Brick Break, Close Combat, Counter, Double Hit, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Ice Spinner, Knock Off, Last Resort, Liquidation, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Pound, Rapid Spin, Reversal, Take Down, Triple Axel, U-turn, Upper Hand, Wave Crash, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Chilling Water, Disarming Voice, Hurricane, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Coaching, Detect, Encore, Endure, Feather Dance, Focus Energy, Growl, Helping Hand, Misty Terrain, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Quaquaval.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[cyan smelt]

would only ever work in cts

[molten oasis]

yea if you want to use dragon cheer just use a draogn lol

[cyan smelt]

yeah i meant use dragon cheer on quaquaval

[timber falcon]

What’s the point

Looks better on rain team

Archaludon rain but archaludon is actually the support mon

[cyan smelt]

whole team of just focus energy mons lol

[timber falcon]

Never let them guess your next move

[molten oasis]

Average early regulation CTS ladder

[cyan smelt]

moody muk is definitely back

the one i'm watching has horn drill

smeargle that is

[mighty stump]

Just because you have a damaging move doesn’t mean pressure

[timber falcon]

How come

You mean considerable damage right

[mighty stump]

I don’t mean just damage

I mean things that make your opponent have to make a response regarding your play

You can slot Liquidation on as STAB but I’m not exactly worried if you’re Taunted + Dragon/Water/Grass on the field

Plus even with something like that, even Intim/Wisp can stop you

Stomping Tantrum might potentially be better if it gets it but you get walled by Flying types so that’s something to think about

Since failed Yawns/Counters/Mirror Coat would trigger the BP bonus

[timber falcon]

True

Stomping tantrum looks decent

How do people usually run harc

I remember the choice band set but that was from that articuno team, idk if it has the relevance for reg H

[graceful flare]

Flare blitz and rock smash rock head ability and choice band

[dapper crag]

Move: Extreme Speed

No additional effect.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Move: Helping Hand

The power of the target's attack this turn is multiplied by 1.5 (this effect is stackable). Fails if there is no ally adjacent to the user or if the ally already moved this turn, but does not fail if the ally is using a two-turn move.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

5

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

I’ve seen mostly choice band and Sitrus

Band is really nice on it

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/14f0db2eba0ba869

Ended up with CA cause it was available

I finally feel like I’m getting somewhere with swampert

[mighty stump]

Lefties tho

[empty turtle]

https://pokepast.es/f795d03cc4d5e46c
how dis team build look

[mighty stump]

EVs for Incineroar and Rillaboom don't make sense. I don't see the need for Flip Turn on Palafin. Gholdengo is running moves it can't even use since Choice Specs locks you into a move, so locking yourself into Nasty Plot and Protect is kind of ???

[cyan smelt]

why are people using hisuian decidueye

[mighty stump]

You should probably look over the pins for a guide into the basics of competitive

[mighty stump]

Scrappy + desperate for Fighting types ig

I think it gets Scrappy

[cyan smelt]

jus use flamigo

[spiral ridge]

Yeah with all the stat raisers flamigo can work well

[mighty stump]

You won't be using Co-Star

[spiral ridge]

Oh fuck yeah 😭

[mighty stump]

Cause Scrappy is the intended Ability

[spiral ridge]

I just woke up my bad

[cyan smelt]

only flamigos that use co-star are ones on muk teams

[spiral ridge]

Saw one on a perish dozo team so yeah it’s mainly to gimmick

[empty turtle]

how does terra water Azumarill sound

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 842: Appletun

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Ripen, Gluttony, Thick Fat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/85/80/100/80/30

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 840: Applin

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Ripen, Gluttony, Bulletproof (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

40/40/80/40/40/20

Total

260

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 841: Flapple

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Ripen, Gluttony, Hustle (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/80/95/60/70

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

On what

[mighty stump]

Swampert

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

But goggles swampert + harc lead is smth I had in mind for moongus

Isn’t it has worked in one of my moongus encounters

[mighty stump]

Isn't it has?

What

[timber falcon]

Spelling bad from me

“Isn’t” shouldn’t be there

[silk stream]

Could whimsicott and annihlape work? instead of mausape. Running beat up and tailwind on whim, then maybe use hydreigon or dragonite too

[mighty stump]

That's fine.

Dunno why you're mentioning Hydreigon/Dragonite though. What purpose are you trying to fulfil?

[timber falcon]

Btw tofu, what do you think of the team so far

[mighty stump]

Meh. I don't see a safe way to set TR. Solo DGleam is kind of eh as well.

[silk stream]

hydreigon for the special coverage, and levitate. and dragonite would just be a 2nd hard hitting physical. Cos u could then run Drain punch, rage fist, bulk up and earthquake on the ape

[craggy dagger]

whimsy ape also works but people prefer maus for follow me and ghost immunity + friend guard

[timber falcon]

That tr thing is mainly there for archaludon, idk any other ways, might try dengo

[mighty stump]

What about Levitate would be relevant? Why would you want to hit your own other mon hard with EQ even in the pursuit of boosting Rage Fist?

[silk stream]

i mean the ape can eq. So whimm sets up tailwind and beat up into ape, then switch to hyrdreigon. and have the option to use eq on ape without hitting friendlyt

[timber falcon]

Yeah I think ima drop the randomly placed ursaluna BM and Farig

[mighty stump]

Why would Annihilape be running EQ?

[mighty stump]

So you're back to Dnite, H-Arc, and Swampert

What's the logic behind those 3?

[craggy dagger]

beat up only boosts rage fist so idt beat up into ape is going to do anything to boost eq

plus it’s not like it has justified to boost attack

[silk stream]

eq was there just as a coverage, but the way u guys are talking, im guessing its not a normal thing so i should just forget it lol. Thought itd be useful for when going againt torkoal/armrouge

[solid frigate]

uhhh Tofu you did say no Reg H Rentals before the Official release datw right?

[mighty stump]

Eh now idc.

[craggy dagger]

beat up + rage fist + bulk up will do enough to take care of them anyways

[mighty stump]

I think now rentals should be ok to go up

[solid frigate]

1.No protect Ape sounds a bit iffy

[solid frigate]

Eh i mean fair enough

[craggy dagger]

AV ape though

[silk stream]

okay, will just go with that, def wanna try the whim ape tho. cheers

[mighty stump]

Based

I miss my Tera-Ground AV Ape

[craggy dagger]

though something tells me i’m running av ape wrong

[timber falcon]

Ok so harc is there because rilla is a MASSIVE problem. It also acts as an answer to possible snow teams and I’m hoping with wisp I can slow down opponents momentum even more as I’ve tested before, after picking those 2 I decided I’ll need a mon to actually support and Dragonite came to mind, Chien pao may not be in this regulation but helping hand sure is. With yawn for extra destruction and the intimidate from harc to boot I wad hoping I’ll be able to activate drgonite safely and get things started, but of course there are MUs I’ll have to figure out like archaludon. As Espeed doesn’t hit ghost and steel very nicely, along with sand and dengo

Those r my thoughts

[mighty stump]

Yawn and Wisp can negatively impact one another as long as you're aware.

[craggy dagger]

rage fist drain punch u turn um
tantrum was what i was thinking of

[timber falcon]

Yes I know that

[mighty stump]

I have such a based tech

[timber falcon]

Both incapacitate the mon enough for me (as long as wisp hits a physical attacker)

[solid frigate]

honestly i might run stomping Tantrum Chomp cuz Rilla is fuckinf Everywhere

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Well, I understand the logic. Why Choice Band Dragonite?

Why Clear Amulet?

[craggy dagger]

why is the worlds 2024 soundtrack also good

[spiral ridge]

Is it already out?

Nice

[timber falcon]

Choice band Dragonite because I want to get as much damage done as possible, hoping to throw off my opponent with incredibly strong moves that I can dish out on turn 1 of its needed. Clear amulet because sitrus was originally being used, I’m going back to sitrus

[mighty stump]

You're "hoping"?

[craggy dagger]

um-
i think the reason why tofu is asking these things isn’t because you’re necessarily wrong, rather he wants you to have a full understanding of what you’re building :3

or i could be wrong and he wants you to second guess

[mighty stump]

YEp

[timber falcon]

Yes, there are many answers to priority spam that I’ve gotta fix with the rest of my members, such as not being able to espeed makes Dragonite slower, so I might look for a tailwind mon. And phychic terrain in which a dark type would be nice

[craggy dagger]

dnite gets ice spinner right?

[mighty stump]

Do you think Dragonite can potentially run other sets?

[timber falcon]

Idk if that’s a move I wanna be stuck in

[timber falcon]

Yeah, I’ve seen scale shot + iron head sets before, not sure about the item but I think that’s something I can run instead

I feel like I’m answering exam questions

[mighty stump]

Do you think Scale Shot/Iron Head will be relevant for you?

[craggy dagger]

you can always swap around though

[timber falcon]

From what I’ve seen so far it could actually be a huge help for my archaludon MU cause most peli run sash, I’d be able to get rid of their tw/wide guard support fast enough and be able to focus on the archaludon. Also won’t make priority stoppage a huge problem as I can raise the speed myself , but for such a set to work I feel like I’ll need redirection and more ways of dealing chunks of damage

also peli is annoying cause it does very meaningful chip

[mighty stump]

Hm

Ok

[timber falcon]

Now what

[mighty stump]

Nothing

If you're confident in your logic

Then follow through

[timber falcon]

Okie dokie

[craggy dagger]

if you think you can justify your builds then go for it :3

[timber falcon]

I think my next step will be to choose which redirection mon I should take

[mighty stump]

Why do you need redirection?

[craggy dagger]

pft-
tofu’s in interrogation mode

[timber falcon]

Dragonite effectively gets weaker with scale shot so it’ll be nice, more importantly it helps with some of the annoying MUs like beat up and arch rain

Also one that’s not easy to wipe off the field

[mighty stump]

It's pretty fun

[timber falcon]

I’m thinking of electabuzz

[mighty stump]

From experience in medical school, being questioned so straightforwardly can make you question even the most basic of answers

[timber falcon]

It has me shook

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

A clinician could point at a foot and ask "What is this" and you'll doubt yourself its a foot

[timber falcon]

Electabuzz can redirect electro shot and eat it up, and out speed peli, it can also act as a taunt mon for tr and even gets electroweb. One problem though is that I absolutely cannot have electabuzz and swampert on the field at the same time, for reasons that I lose all momentum

[spiral ridge]

Sounds like tons of fun tofu

[mighty stump]

Wowow

He's thinking

[timber falcon]

My brain is getting bigger

Even thought about momentum

[craggy dagger]

yaaaay

[timber falcon]

I never think about momentum

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2176011168
so um
i tapped into my roots and being um
orignially an armadee player-
though i've never played ursaluna-

[spiral ridge]

Ooo armadee yeah I met you during that and lilicoal

[craggy dagger]

i have not
played this in so long

[spiral ridge]

Lmao

Still have yet to try them and ursaluna

[timber falcon]

Vicious tr tactic

Made me wanna look away

[mighty stump]

Meanwhile me still in Reg G

😭

[timber falcon]

Why though

[mighty stump]

Team Leagues

[craggy dagger]

alcremie works :3
its slow
its got aroma veil to prevent taunt

[timber falcon]

What’s a team league

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-hczne-gif-20831523

[mighty stump]

Us

[timber falcon]

Guess I got a head start

[mighty stump]

You get drafted by a manager to be part of a team and you play against other teams players

[craggy dagger]

:0

[mighty stump]

Bro said head start as if I didn't just succeed with Chesnaught in an hour

[timber falcon]

Who decides the managers, is this like an official thing

[mighty stump]

Usually it's arranged by fairly well known members of the VGC community and managers are some of those. These include streamers, pro players, etc

[timber falcon]

Wait you got it to work?

[mighty stump]

Depending on the scale

[mighty stump]

Top 250 in like an hour

Ngl team definitely need works but it was fun

Works the way I want it to

Some team leagues/draft leagues are lesser known

So you might not see big names

[timber falcon]

Just a light climb to terrains I walk though spikes and mines to reach

[mighty stump]

One of the ones I'm in currently is called The Opal League

[craggy dagger]

fuuuuck
i keep on forgetting that gale wings is priority when full hp and not just once in battle

[mighty stump]

And some pretty well-known players are in it

[timber falcon]

They’re missing out on me though

[mighty stump]

Including people like NAIC Champion Patrick Connor, or Regional Champion Stefan Mott

[timber falcon]

Ooooo

[mighty stump]

Other top players like Keanu, Senior NAIC Champ Kaneoji, etc

Ryan Loseto also known as SableyeVGC

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Ping Keanu

[mighty stump]

@balmy glen

[craggy dagger]

whoaaaaa

i am
not playing well this morning

[spiral ridge]

Nice

Not nice

[mighty stump]

And a bunch of other names I definitely recognise but it might not mean much if you don't really follow much of VGC socials

[timber falcon]

How do I follow vgc socials

[mighty stump]

Twitter would be the main one

[timber falcon]

I knew like 3 of the people you mentioned

Oh yeah twitter, would make sense why I haven’t heard much

[mighty stump]

Showdown chatrooms, tournament discords, and following accoutns like VictoryRoad, DevonCorp, LibertyNote

etc

[solid frigate]

At least Keanu is the GOAT for me normally

[craggy dagger]

it'd be twit and insta methinks
though YT has the more well known people :0

[mighty stump]

Yeah but if you're on YT/Twitch, you tend to have Twitter

[nocturne holly]

should be priority when a bove half hp 😔
Would be so much more fun

[solid frigate]

not really recommend Showdown Chatroom cuz sometimes they are quite stupid lmao

[timber falcon]

Showdown chat rooms is something I don’t understand, been like year now and still got absolutely no clue how to find a relevant one

[mighty stump]

Not much difference than this channel, they just have higher turnover

higher volume

[craggy dagger]

more people and more discussions than here but other than that not that different

HAHA @bold geode
I TRACED STAMINA

[timber falcon]

What’s the team

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/0494ace871e20d36

but its severely lacking another carry option thats not trick room so im getting constantly screwed

its a rough idea
im coping pls help

[solid frigate]

moment

[solid frigate]

THE ETERNAL DUCK IS BACK

[mighty stump]

Monke has created a meme

[bold geode]

THE DUCK IS ETERNAL

[timber falcon]

Have I missed something

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Honestly I was gonna go to Download so

But Stamina Duck is funny AF

[solid frigate]

Trace Porygon 2 traced Stamina from Archaludon

[dull haven]

O.o

[timber falcon]

Gonna be fun to remove that off the field

[craggy dagger]

Khuja!!!

[dull haven]

[timber falcon]

SABLYE STOP

[mighty stump]

Mother

[dull haven]

Hello

[solid frigate]

just become Immortal Duck

[bold geode]

Hi Mom

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 233: Porygon2

Type

Normal

Abilities

Trace, Download, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/80/90/105/95/60

Total

515

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Ability: Aroma Veil

This Pokemon and its allies cannot become affected by Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, or Torment.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[dull haven]

I have just been lurking around

[craggy dagger]

oh fffs
my first ceasless edge i use i miss

[solid frigate]

and there’s no Urshifu so this strat works like Cake

Oh wait Meow exists

[craggy dagger]

thats surely not an ominous sign

[dapper crag]

Move: Hydro Pump

No additional effect.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Also put Recover on the duck ma'am

[craggy dagger]

double ceasless miss
my opponent has not missed a single hydro pump

[timber falcon]

Can only go up from there

[bold geode]

Uh oh
Nova angy

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

i was wondering what i forgot xD

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2176023691

[balmy glen]

what was i @ for

someone need something? my phone doesnt let me see @ s

[timber falcon]

Something about team league players

Was tofu

[craggy dagger]

tofu just pinged you for fun

[balmy glen]

moment

[solid frigate]

i tell him lol

[spiral ridge]

Girl how do you keep tricking AV on your sable 😭

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Like the second time I’ve seen you do it

Now I wonder how many you’ve done without me looking

[bold geode]

Scotty 🖕

[mighty stump]

bro?

Anyways Monke

Have u broken out of low elo yet

[spiral ridge]

[bold geode]

I hit 1200s and well that's it
Then again I didn't ladder yesterday so

3 variants imma test
The P2 Ursa core I use will stay
Just the last two will either be Pala/Dengo, Peli/Dengo, or Peli/Basc

[empty turtle]

will ogerpon be legal in reg H

[craggy dagger]

someone join me :T

[timber falcon]

What counts as low ladder rn

[bold geode]

Yes I'm considering Palance again Tofu
But I was looking at that tour last night and someone at one point was undefeated 5-0 with that same shit of Palance + P2 Ursa and it pissed me off cuz that means my problem has been skill issue

[bold geode]

I would, but here in a little while I gotta take my mom to store

Maybe later?

[timber falcon]

Palafin and porygon?

[mighty stump]

Ngl I thought of a fun Palafin team I think

[bold geode]

Oh

[spiral ridge]

Can’t sorry :<

[timber falcon]

It’s gonna be something like Palafin + guaranteedOHKOlax

[empty turtle]

will ogerpon be legal in reg H

[spiral ridge]

Have fun though hun

[timber falcon]

No

[timber falcon]

It won’t

[empty turtle]

ok

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Although I saw everyone used Download P2 so imma test that
Though Stamina Duck will be on break
Although in a blogpost I shall mention the Almighty eternal duck

[bold geode]

You miss?

[timber falcon]

I don’t get it, I’ve never seen a p2 Palafin team. Am I slow with the meta?

Or am I just low elo

[mighty stump]

You know how you said you got a head start

The head start started in Reg A

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[timber falcon]

It really did

[mighty stump]

You're basically months late

[craggy dagger]

i mean

[timber falcon]

No but like, I’m a fast learner

[bold geode]

P2 Ursa was a thing
But that core goes with Incin shroom
So I had Palafin with the hopes that that would mesh with Incin and shroom and I had two modes
But rn without Download and Dengo, the team I had basically only had two offensive threats in Palafin and Ursa, both of which take a minute to get going

[craggy dagger]

yes but no-?
i got my headstart by playing niches in reg D, E, F, G
only played like
one cart season of A

[timber falcon]

I did hear moongus + Palafin was a good combo before

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

It was

Palance was a bitch to play against

[craggy dagger]

and it still is

[timber falcon]

Same kinda, I was really stubborn so I banned myself from using legendary Pokémon

[bold geode]

But rn looks like the worst fucking nightmare is a staple remover and a pelican

[timber falcon]

But just reg E and onwards

[timber falcon]

Ong

[mighty stump]

I got my head start by

Being good at the game

😎

[timber falcon]

Archaludon I’ll never forgive

[timber falcon]

“ And once hit top 500, I refused to let myself get anything below it again” attitude

Also so rn I’m making the electabuzz set

And I don’t know where to go once I’m done with it

[bold geode]

If I go Peli Basc, I might be able to keep Trace P2 but that's about it

[timber falcon]

What do I do when im stuck in team building

[craggy dagger]

um

grab three mons you like and see if you can make something around them

[timber falcon]

I mean for a team that already has 4 members

This is the point I always manage to mess it up

Picking the last 2

[craggy dagger]

oh

um
well
ig look for something that can support/synergize well?
thats a start

[timber falcon]

Or maybe fix my MUs I guess

Hard to identify the meta in low elo so I’m not 100% sure what to expect when I crawl my way out

[bold geode]

Look at Limitless tours
They can give you a LITTLE more of an idea
Of course you gotta find the Reg H ones

[timber falcon]

A lot of hydreigon, talon flame, and dengo up top

This one looked more relevant to me however

Lots and lots of balance

[nocturne holly]

balance king fr

[timber falcon]

I’ve just had one game and I messed up

[mighty stump]

I think

I have a pretty good combi

[timber falcon]

But in this case, it was a good thing

[ornate elk]

There team with primarina poggers

[timber falcon]

I won the game but made the mistake I predicted would go wrong, electabuzz and swampert at the same time isn’t pretty

I need more ways of offence

[solid frigate]

i love hiw everyone looks so still but Gholdengo is vibing

[timber falcon]

Spill beans 🫘

[mighty stump]

No 🫀

[bold geode]

Gimme sauce 👀

[chrome knot]

bongos bongos

[timber falcon]

Dragonite electabuzz working yippee

Survived a rilla encounter thanks to 2 resists on the team

However, I am not doing enuff damage I don’t feel like

[bold geode]

[violet smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/best-partners-lets-do-this-dragon-ball-z-gif-15051303

incineroar and rillaboom

[chrome knot]

when the top 2 usage mons are urshifu & rillaboom

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

wHAT

[mighty stump]

Mfw Snorlax lives +2 Draco Meteor

[bold geode]

Rilla was top Mon in that tour lmao
Monkey supremacy finally reigns

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

gay people

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

yeah youuuu

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

why. r torkoal lilligant crossed out

[timber falcon]

My first ever archetype

[rustic mountain]

[torn parrot]

LETS GOOOO NICE JOB!!!’

Nice gxe!

[timber falcon]

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Stomping Tantrum
• Scale Shot
• Protect
• Dragon Dance

im thinking about getting rid of iron head for dragon dance, its nice to have the damage boost as im realising

[solid frigate]

i mean it does look like something Garchomp would run but eh you do you

[timber falcon]

stronger and bulkier garchomp

[solid frigate]

exactly

[timber falcon]

i would use iron head, but then steel types wall me and i dont like that

[solid frigate]

its alright i guess,Tera Steel is quite nice

[next stump]

I may have missed discussion about it before but why inner focus over Multiscale? If you’re running D Dance I think you’d probably want the added safety

[timber falcon]

but at the same time wont i wanna maintain the availbility to immediate offence without getting hit with intimidate

[pallid hare]

to block intimidate and fake out

[timber falcon]

yes and FO doesnt slow me down that way

[next stump]

What’s the rest of the team? If you’re Incin weak I see what you’re saying but if you have checks to Incineroar then you can forego that for added setup potentially

or if you have redirection like Maushold or Clef or something

[timber falcon]

oh yeah lemme get paste

https://pokepast.es/439d519d04395143

[next stump]

okay with those 4 I see Inner Focus being better because you’ll just intimidate spammed

[timber falcon]

mhm, its also one of the reasons id like a spatcker as my next addition, after going against a screen setting team'

[solid frigate]

i did the kill again lmao

[spiral ridge]

Get this poke a kowtow cleave rn

[solid frigate]

honestly he looks cool

[timber falcon]

shit

[mighty stump]

lul

[timber falcon]

managed to force da swap

[solid frigate]

yep it does that

[craggy dagger]

welcome to the world of kilowattrel

[timber falcon]

i think some mf is running the same set at

they were also running dnite max speed

mightve lost this

i lost

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2176112366-xwtvjygpg024tjozxdbqxlcd9wrblkppw

[jade dust]

I will go back to my Murkrow Gholdengo in next Reg

Tailwind, choice specs Tera steel make it rain and haze

[mighty stump]

Incredibly original

Truly a visionary set

[rustic mountain]

im surprised i havent seen any cyclizar; orthoworm and sceptile outclass it as a shed tail user i guess

[timber falcon]

tofu, if you were agianst this would you be able to " shut it down before they activate"

2nd time today im going against an out of order surf team

no, 3rd

3 times in a row

[rustic mountain]

haha wtf

[mighty stump]

I'm good at the game not a clairvoyant

[timber falcon]

dragapult + that charcoal guy , primarina + conkeldurr , and now this

i feel like using the same 4 mons though is putting me at a disadvantage

[craggy dagger]

i wanna try orthworm in trick room though

earth eater and guts eq

[nocturne holly]

rilla goo brrrr

[rustic mountain]

as like an id mon? like wats it doing outside eating eqs

[craggy dagger]

idbp

[rustic mountain]

ahh ok

[craggy dagger]

um-
shed tail too

[rustic mountain]

[craggy dagger]

ehhh-
shed tail not so much

am thinking like
idbp heavy slam?

[rustic mountain]

yea that w/ protect is fine i think

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 968: Orthworm

Type

Steel

Abilities

Earth Eater, Sand Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/145/60/55/65

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

145 def is crazy

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-armstrong-punch-senator-armstrong-raiden-punching-armstrong-gif-26179277

anyone have that throat spray farig set

[jade dust]

It’s effective so

[dull ibex]

the joke is that make it rain haze is something literally everyone has done

it was the meta early SV

if you just revert all of the additions that nerfed it, of course its effective

[mighty stump]

Ngl people who req OTS in Bo1 ladder need to grow up and just play Bo3 ladder

Like it's right there

Stop being a wuss and just play the format as intended

[dull ibex]

like asking in chat?

[dull ibex]

oh I didnt count that as a request

I assume it was more I consent to my team being seen

because I dont give a shit lmao

congrats you know my team is standard

[balmy glen]

I’m playing bo1 cuz I don’t want my worlds team sets to be leaked why would I accept lul

[craggy dagger]

[violet smelt]

🤱

[tropic yew]

Running an alolan raichu is there any way to get rising voltage on it in SV

[timber falcon]

max attack, tera normal, extreme speed dnite + helping hand agaisnt a mouse

and it lives

[next stump]

252+ Atk Life Orb Tera-Normal Dragonite Helping Hand Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Maushold: 149-177 (82.3 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

it doesnt deserve to be that beefy

[mighty stump]

lul

[timber falcon]

i think i gotta re evaluate my game plan

heck ima just start with the one point i didnt think through

[craggy dagger]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Maushold in Grassy Terrain: 132-156 (72.9 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[novel sluice]

who have a good team with starter mudkip in the pixelmon survival?

[timber falcon]

i dont really have a good reason for choosing dragonite, and after testing it a bit i feel like its not the best option for a set up mon this regulation because of a lack of STAB moves

[mighty stump]

That is nowhere near a relevant association with this channel

[timber falcon]

yk for balance teams theres normally a set up mon

how do people find the right one?

[mighty stump]

You pick a good one

ez

yw

[timber falcon]

can always count on tofu to give me bland answers so that i work it out myself

[solid frigate]

hoi

[timber falcon]

hello

i think before i look for a potential sweeper ill find myself a grass core

do teams NEED sweepers btw

[mighty stump]

Do you need to label everything? Just get mons that fulfill the logic you need.

[tropic yew]

So whats the best tera to counter an archaludon with body press

[timber falcon]

[craggy dagger]

sacred sword, draco meteor ig-

[mighty stump]

The labels just makes discussion easier but it doesnt mean you need to use it every time

[timber falcon]

now im confused

[mighty stump]

What's so confusing

[timber falcon]

maybe im thinking too hard about what each mon does

[craggy dagger]

he’s saying you need to find the labels yourself sometimes

maybe

[mighty stump]

Or sometimes trying to fit things into a neat little box isn't the point of the terminology im using

[timber falcon]

are you talking about synergy

[craggy dagger]

think outside the story book-
explore the world beyond the pages you live in

[mighty stump]

Ok

Idk how else to like

Explain

I can tell you a lot of information but you're definitely going to have to figure out how to apply it

If you think you "need a sweeper"

All you're doing is tunnel visioning on "finding a sweeper"

And people tend to have pretty pre-concieved notions of what "sweepers" are

Find a Pokemon

[craggy dagger]

calm mind unaware moonblast clefable

[mighty stump]

It needs to do a job

Whats the job

[timber falcon]

apply pressure and damage

[mighty stump]

It needs to do damage and chip things? What kind of chip? How aggressive does it need to be? Big damage numbers would direct you more to Specs Gholdengo, Banded Dragapult, Rain + Palafin

Expanding Force

Banded H-Arc

If you don't need the damage to be immediate, Bulk Up Annihilape, Nasty Plot Gholdengo, Swords Dance Garchomp

[timber falcon]

is the point that im restricting my options through terminology

[mighty stump]

Yes

[timber falcon]

nailed it

[mighty stump]

Its easy to explain a billion different labels but conceptually it still all falls under the same fundamental of picking the right pokemon for the right job

[timber falcon]

ok ok i think i get that part

[mighty stump]

Find the thing that does the thing you want, that's it

[timber falcon]

now what i dont get is how i know what i need

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

i think i went back to thinkng way too deep into it

ill just keep it shallow

[craggy dagger]

okay-
keeping it simple
if i say i need a sweeper
what’s the first pokemon that pops into your mind

[mighty stump]

You know overall the whole point is to just be aware and be intentional

[timber falcon]

gholdengo

[mighty stump]

Like

That's it

[rustic mountain]

dengo so good

[nocturne holly]

real

Dengo the god ☝️🙏

[rustic mountain]

arguably the best mon in the meta imo

[craggy dagger]

kay-
you thought of dengo-
now on a balance team standpoint-
does dengo fit the role of a sweeper?

keep the answer a simple yes or no :0

[tropic yew]

Sorta

[timber falcon]

yes

[tropic yew]

Make it rain decreases spatk so it reverse snowballs till you swap it out

[mighty stump]

So it reverse snowballs

[timber falcon]

whats a reverse snowball

[tropic yew]

Gets weaker over time

[timber falcon]

oh

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

A convoluted way of saying you don't snowball

[timber falcon]

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Clear Smog
• Pollen Puff

new addition?

ive been thinking about moongus for a while but never did it cause i overthought it and kept asking myself if i really needed it

or if theres better

[rustic mountain]

shroom is good

jus slot it in and try it. a lot of ur decisions are or should be formed from experience

[craggy dagger]

right?
its a setup sweeper even though mir lowers its special attack by 1 stage

[timber falcon]

i think ill be doing that from now

[craggy dagger]

that wasnt too hard to figure out right?

[rustic mountain]

yea like its good to bounce ideas and opinions off each other but playing really is the best teacher

[timber falcon]

yea choosing dengo was easy

but for some reason id thought about it previously and thought i shouldnt add it

[craggy dagger]

now on your team that you're making-
do you need a setup sweeper or do you have a space for a setup sweeer-
etc
but tree is right
just put your ideas on a team and keep on playing

[polar canyon]

Gotta get a good team myself for this reg

It feels a bit boring to fight archaludon but I'll take it over fighting calyrex

[rustic mountain]

its around but its not as common imo as it was the first few days

def an archetype u have to account for tho

[polar canyon]

Just the fact it is neutral to almost everything

[rustic mountain]

oh yea its very solid

[polar canyon]

At least neutral

[rustic mountain]

arguably the team ive been usings worse mu

[polar canyon]

Not like it's easy to bring a fighting or ground type next to a pelipper for stab kills either

[rustic mountain]

yea

[polar canyon]

Doesn't feel like there's a counter play to the archetype

Just having a strong enough strategy yourself to brute force through it with neutral hits

[nocturne holly]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2176172646

Super fang lowkey the king

The chip is so damn useful

[polar canyon]

I think I wanna use technician maushold

Though it does suffer from not hitting most of the big guys from big archetypes

Cant hit ghold ape arch

[nocturne holly]

offensive maus + scarf ape would be cool in bo1

cts

[polar canyon]

And has to use wide lens

Now using technician maushold suddenly doesn't sound like that good of an idea

I'm still set on using setup sinistcha

It was actually pretty consistent and fun when I played the first few days of the regulation

I don't love the idea of using incineroar anymore with defiant ape running amok

[craggy dagger]

wut-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2176176852
sash dengo, protect on incin-????

[bold geode]

Gonna do a tournament, how this look (gotta fix Goldie EVs)

[polar canyon]

Well, it worked didn't it?

Maybe they're onto something

[craggy dagger]

but you're missing out on more damage/more value

[polar canyon]

Ghold would've missed out on a lot of value if it had been one shot

Maybe they've been in a similar situation before and are adapting

Same for protect on incin stalling out your trick room

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

I just realized I never posted paste

[polar canyon]

I was waiting

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/a85b56c566cb2908
Here

[polar canyon]

Looking good

Mind if I ask what the peli achieves

[forest arrow]

Have you tried download?

[craggy dagger]

he wants eternal duck

[bold geode]

Might try it idk
With all the Arch running around, eternal duck might be

[forest arrow]

Yeah tracing stamina is cool damage just felt lacking the other night

[bold geode]

Hoping Peli and Dengo can help that

Ok nvm everyone using Download

Imma try Download

[timber falcon]

is a certain drayagedrago online

i wanna know if his reg G gholdengo set is still viable for reg H

[craggy dagger]

prolly is

[timber falcon]

just that im guessing the calcs are probs for the restricted legs

[next stump]

just calc for stuff like Kingambit, Garchomp, etc.

see if there's hits you can live

main thing is determining your speed though

[craggy dagger]

114

[bold geode]

Unless it's fast, no

[bold geode]

Anyways
Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 108 HP / 140 Def / 132 SpA / 92 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect
  This look alright?

[nocturne holly]

What does 36 spe hit

[bold geode]

109
I have no idea how fast Goldie go
But on this team it's probably fine if it's slower

[forest arrow]

mine sits at 124 for jolly incin

[nocturne holly]

Yea that is pretty slow

same
Because I stole your spread 😈

[bold geode]

Who's running Jolly Incin in Reg H?

[nocturne holly]

I think outspeeding modest peli is good

[forest arrow]

me

[craggy dagger]

turbo incin still exists friend

[nocturne holly]

there are like a lot of other things in that speed tier

[forest arrow]

turbo incin fo lyfe

[nocturne holly]

Like no spe investment pala is 120

[craggy dagger]

awe
im just under timid peli
119

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 964: Palafin

Type

Water

Abilities

Zero to Hero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/70/72/53/62/100

Total

457

Other Formes

Palafin-Hero

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[forest arrow]

I thought timid peli was 128

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 964: Palafin-Hero

Type

Water

Abilities

Zero to Hero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/160/97/106/87/100

Total

650

Base Species

Palafin

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’m pretty sure it is

I think modest peli is like 117 or 118

[forest arrow]

yeah 117

[bold geode]

Hits 109, lives Kingambit Suckers and some other stuff, hits I believe 176 HP for Lefties and hits 2nd spatk bump so I can either setup or smack shit
That's what Goldie spread does

[forest arrow]

yours works for that

[craggy dagger]

close enough

[forest arrow]

tr

[craggy dagger]

+- 10

[nocturne holly]

how much hp and def does arch run

I assume max hp?

I need to do some arch calcs

[craggy dagger]

this is Tofu's um
pikachu team from reg F spread of archa
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 4 SpA / 236 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Body Press
• Dragon Pulse
• Flash Cannon

but i'd guess most run max hp on archa since you want to be as bulky as possible

[nocturne holly]

stupid Mon

archa is very stupid > : (

I’ve gotten good playing into it tho

Or atleast better

[foggy lodge]

I prefer dpulse over draco meteor in this meta

Doesn't lose the job of the 2 electro shots lol

[dapper crag]

Move: Electro Shot

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Raises the user's Special Attack by 1 stage on the first turn. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move completes in one turn. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move still requires a turn to charge.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

125 sp atk + electro shot sounds like so much damage

but idk doesn’t feel too bad when I go against it

Unless it stacks up

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Maushold-Four

Disable:

• Maushold-Four does not learn Disable in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

itll do a lot cause you do get a +1 every time you use it

[timber falcon]

how does one join tournament on showdown

[foggy lodge]

Someone suggested Pelipper Archa on this base and idk https://pokepast.es/06412f642628255a

It has the obvious problems of Harc and Ursa in rain

[timber falcon]

this is what i wanna see

[solid frigate]

ah yes.SWAMPERT Square

[molten oasis]

Zoroark huh

[timber falcon]

i dont like it

much too frail with not enuff damage

[bold geode]

Ok I have been suggested Prim as a possibility
https://pokepast.es/838cb4c72ebc7698

[molten oasis]

where exactly?

[bold geode]

Maybe for Peli?

NVM it was just throwing out lmao

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/bc47c4ca417fbe48

[nocturne holly]

I think super fang is better on support maus than pop bomb

[timber falcon]

yesh i did replace ir

along with half the team

ended up going in the wrong direction and never used swampert or harc, having them become bench warmers

so i think ima try grassy seed kommo-o

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/375d28df0ad50ac1 im actually finding use for swampert here

[molten oasis]

you should get a special attacker

[bold geode]

Chat I wasn't using Dengo
That was my issue
At least that's how it feels so far

[timber falcon]

for which situation

[molten oasis]

physical walls

[timber falcon]

any ideas?

for a spatcker

btw this will be the 6th mon

i think the 5th will be grimsnarl

[bold geode]

Btw can I just say that rn Hatterdee Psyspam kinda just
Blows

Like Incin can P Shot Hatt out and if it weren't for Life Orb boosts, Goldie would wall both your STABs (although Goldie still lives both fairly well)

[timber falcon]

Wait parting shot does that?

On magic bounce?

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

It's a pretty funny interaction

[timber falcon]

Oh so it lets hatterene USE the status moves

[foggy lodge]

Yep

[timber falcon]

Sounds like fun

[bold geode]

Yes
It basically makes Hatt the user of P Shot and forces it out
Basically meaning with an Incin lead you'd have to Follow Me to let Hatt set TR

[foggy lodge]

i feel like people might be exagerating Inci's fall on this reg tbh

[timber falcon]

It’s mid

[bold geode]

It's not as splashable, but Incin is still good

[foggy lodge]

I was talking with someone the other day and they said that it was straight up bad

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

[timber falcon]

I’d only really have it to answer psyspam

Or maybe fake out

[foggy lodge]

Inci is gonna win 3-4 regionals

It's just like tofu said, can't slap Inci and call it a day

[bold geode]

Incin will always be good
Although rise of Annihilape this Reg will SURELY test it, as Ape is basically a fuckin hard answer to Incin

[foggy lodge]

True

[chrome knot]

WHAAATT

[foggy lodge]

But i think some Inci will adapt to will o

[bold geode]

Said it before in Reg F
Annihilape is Incin's worst enemy

[foggy lodge]

For those match ups

[bold geode]

Have to beware of Tera Fire there

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

no

just, no

[timber falcon]

Incin value when primarina:

But then there’s parting shot

[molten oasis]

honestly

[timber falcon]

I’m surprised it’s usage is so high

[molten oasis]

no, primarina isnt like, amazing into incineraor it can just parting shot lol

[timber falcon]

I’m just not seeing the impact tbh

[foggy lodge]

tf even rocky helmet Inci i think it might be a legitimate option for it

[solid frigate]

if its Gen 7 Primarina might be better on dealing with Incin but idk I haven’t played Gen 7

[bold geode]

No
I'll explain
Basically
Defiant wards off Intimidate and Parting Shot
Ghost typing means immune to Fake Out
It loves Fire Tera, so Flare Blitz and Will O Wisp are risky, plus F Blitz means you're hitting it for Rage Fist stacks
Knock Off has Rage Fist argument
Ape can hit it for STAB SE damage with D Punch
Not to mention it's usually faster, so Jolly Wisp is even not as reliable even if not Fire Tera, although Jolly Incin don't usually run Wisp

[chrome knot]

why that reaction to kissy

[bold geode]

Not to mention you're also accounting that Ape's friend is back with Maushold, meaning that all those points aren't even accounting for Friend Guard + Follow Me + Beat Up

[timber falcon]

Yap

[bold geode]

Not much yap as it is just discussing comp

[torn parrot]

I wanted to try to go for another climb again to see if the ribombee team could get a better gxe than last time and I’m satisfied.

[timber falcon]

I just don’t wanna admit I’m wrong

[bold geode]

Cope

[timber falcon]

Oh wow

Very nice

[torn parrot]

Thank u fam

I love ribombee

[chrome knot]

https://fxtwitter.com/shouldhaverabit/status/1821577109782819104?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

@torn parrot

[timber falcon]

What’s the set for it ?

[bold geode]

But then again
Even with Ape around, Incin is good in general as a support and honesty good in other MUs that the one MU doesn't invalidate it as much
It's just not as splashable cuz you got Ape and Palafin being stronger and both can be an issue for Incin cuz Palafin players IMMEDIATELY picked up ClAm

[torn parrot]

It’s sash fake tears tailwind moonblast pollen puff shield dust

[torn parrot]

Awww that’s cute

[foggy lodge]

Even mystic water + haze is a problem for Inci

[timber falcon]

Oh I forgot it got pollen puff, must’ve been what I was missing when I tried use it

[foggy lodge]

Haze removes it's own atk drop

[timber falcon]

Speedy heal + STAB move

[ornate elk]

Primarina mentioned i appear

[molten oasis]

yk what would be cool, having a good mauspae answer

that isnt zoroark cuz i think its mid

[foggy lodge]

Clefairy is decent

[timber falcon]

No such thing

[timber falcon]

Delays the inevitable

[foggy lodge]

i play Ursa BM + Clefairy cuz it specifically fucks up that lead

[molten oasis]

pov rage fist

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah BM is good

[molten oasis]

ok but you have bloodmoon

i dont lol

[timber falcon]

Then get one ?

[molten oasis]

bruh

[foggy lodge]

do you have spread damage

[bold geode]

Nah
ClAm is better cuz Baby Palafin Tera Water Wave Crash at neutral always OHKOs Incin unless it's like max max Impish which no one runs

[timber falcon]

Or do you have a set 6

[bold geode]

Wasn't bad but wasn't great

[timber falcon]

Drago is ur team already done

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a6f9a0b6e51489f5

no, i have 5/6

teams weak to psyspam mausape and sand

[timber falcon]

Rage powder is right there

[foggy lodge]

Didn't you try sylveon at some point

[timber falcon]

Don’t let them beat up

[molten oasis]

it wasmid

[timber falcon]

Strand the annihilape

[foggy lodge]

If the maus player knows how to use teambuilder the maus is safety

[bold geode]

How are you weak to Sand?

[molten oasis]

ROCKS

[timber falcon]

I’ve seen cloak before

[bold geode]

Rilla + Tauros

[molten oasis]

exacdrill is really bad for the team as well

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/pingpongbuns/status/1821647605987995962?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

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get scrungled. idiot

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[molten oasis]

monke, exacdrill's an issue

[bold geode]

Rilla + Tauros

[timber falcon]

Tauros?

[molten oasis]

ig its a skill issue then

PSYSPAM and mausape are the issues then

[balmy glen]

hikaeme0w0: you will end up testing
hikaeme0w0: garbage
Me: nt lil bro
hikaeme0w0: die

[bold geode]

Tauros should threaten Excadrill and Rilla should put it there too

[balmy glen]

we love worlds prep

[chrome knot]

die

[bold geode]

I also don't get Volcarona here

[molten oasis]

gholdengo answer

redirection

damage reduction

[bold geode]

Redirection when it just clicks MiR?

[molten oasis]

no

monke im clicking overheat

[bold geode]

Does Overheat even OHKO?

[foggy lodge]

add your own mausape

[molten oasis]

yes

[foggy lodge]

just win the mirror

👍

[molten oasis]

hell no

i HATE playing mausape

[foggy lodge]

sadge

A player i follow built this team that is a bit similar to yours i think https://pokepast.es/8c1936e244748e05

[bold geode]

I'd say replace Volc with Incin cuz it solves Psyspam and honestly helps with Gholdengo, but I REALLY don't know how to fix MausApe here

[molten oasis]

i dont need 2 intimidators

im losing redirection

incin makes my mausape mu WAY worse

[bold geode]

If that Bax wasn't setup, I'd say Incin and slap on Primarina
Tera Grass Incin could help
And then like
Safety Goggles Primarina

Calm Mind there

[foggy lodge]

Primarinaaa

Could work

[bold geode]

Then Primarina would fuck up Sand and not worry about Shroom either

You'd only have to wonder about MausApe, which honestly idk still

[molten oasis]

im not adding incin

[bold geode]

Any way I can think here just has a MausApe hole

[molten oasis]

im open to prima, no incin, its not necesarry

[bold geode]

Oh Incin just helps with Psyspam

[molten oasis]

thats it???

[bold geode]

Cuz I can't think of a better Dark type rn

[foggy lodge]

Do you have a dozo match up

[molten oasis]

im gonna HEAVILY weaken my mu into mausape because of psyspam? idt thats a good idea at all

[bold geode]

Like OR actually
Tera Grass
Throat Spray Prim with Haze

[molten oasis]

encore

i have a dozo mu, its encore

[bold geode]

Oh Haze could also
Actually how many of those Flamigo strats have y'all seen

[molten oasis]

none

[bold geode]

I've seen only that

[foggy lodge]

I prefer perish song cuz FO Rilla + primarins wins you some games automatically

Actually fuck it just perish song the mausape

[bold geode]

Literally every fucking Dozo I see has a Flamigo

[cyan smelt]

Also every muk team has flamigo

[bold geode]

@molten oasis I think going to Throat Spray Prim with Haze and Harc could help too cuz like
A main issue I see (which is also why Excadrill is a bitch) is that it looks like you're leaning VERY HARD on Bax setup in snow

Like you got redirection, Fake Out, snow screens, and Intimidate
That's like 4 things
Which it's fine to help the setup, but it also looks like there's just no offensive pressure too and I once saw that you said you can be passive

Cuz also MausApe one way to deal with it is to kill Maushold, and rn you ain't got much to immediately threaten that

At least I think that's the next step you should take

[molten oasis]

whats with the need of more intimidate man

[bold geode]

You drop Tauros and Volc
You have snow screens, Intimidate and Fake Out

[molten oasis]

bruh no i LIKE those 2

theyve felt good

[bold geode]

Yeah that's just an approach I thought of

[molten oasis]

fair enough

idk, tofu never responded earlier so i feel like im playing a 5 man squad

tauros is offensive pressure btw

[bold geode]

Cuz in return you get more offense, another Dozo answer, Psyspam should be better with Prim and Harc? So all you gotta figure out is how to kill the Maus effectively

[molten oasis]

no CM prim is not a psyspam answer

[bold geode]

Throat Spray Prim with Haze

[molten oasis]

the spD boost is what matters for psyspam

[chrome knot]

no patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument

[bold geode]

Figured Tera Grass
Throat Spray
Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Haze, Protect

[molten oasis]

otherwise prima gets chunked by expanding force

[bold geode]

You're chunking Psyspam with either Rock Slide or Hyper Voice

Actually hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[molten oasis]

i have to not be getting chunked under trick room

[bold geode]

Maybe Steel tera still
Depends on shroom weakness

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

You swap in Rilla, override their terrain, and then unless they play Terrain wars, they're only chunking one thing

Unless they swap in Torkoal or go Heat Wave

[molten oasis]

i really dont want to remove tauros and volc

[balmy glen]

just kill them befre they tr

[molten oasis]

also i like, dont exactly have a great arch mu without tauros

tauros was helping with close combat to chunk it or bait tera

[bold geode]

I mean I'll test the version I came up with some other time

Mainly cuz I wanna see wtf can plug up the monkey shaped hole

Fuckin Tom and Harambe won't leave us tf alone

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[molten oasis]

id rather not change any members on the team

[bold geode]

Can Flutter Mane be a regular Pokemon

That'd solve shit

Yeah change members or not, I can't immediately think of MausApe MU answers here easily

[molten oasis]

well

[bold geode]

Like Psyspam? Add a Dark type
Sand? Rilla + Tauros could probably help
MausApe? Wtf bro

Other than Farigiraf maybe

That's about it

[molten oasis]

mm

ig we can try fari, idk

[nocturne holly]

Are you still using the volc snow team?

[molten oasis]

yes

[bold geode]

If you're not gonna change around stuff, I'd suggest probably Throat Spray
The version I mentioned would probably be Sitrus or Rocky Helmet, but yours I'd do Throat Spray maybe

[molten oasis]

well i dont want to change stuff aroudn ik has been working

[nocturne holly]

what is it rn

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a6f9a0b6e51489f5

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 128: Tauros-Paldea-Aqua

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Intimidate, Anger Point, Cud Chew (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/110/105/30/70/100

Total

490

Base Species

Tauros

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

they all have the same stats right

[molten oasis]

yes

[nocturne holly]

What’s the sig move called

[molten oasis]

raging bull

[bold geode]

Aight, time to get shit on cart

[molten oasis]

90 bp breaks screens

[bold geode]

Drago you work tonight?

[chrome knot]

is gimmighoul tn or tomorrow

[molten oasis]

no

i dont work tonight, idk when the event is

[bold geode]

Wait Drago don't got team

I'm dumb
I was gonna say 8pm your time there's Gerty's tour

[cyan smelt]

Gimmighoul is in about 1 hour 15

[molten oasis]

i dont have a full team im comfortable with so yea

[chrome knot]

ty!!

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[chrome knot]

gonna find shiny one for the boys tbh

[bold geode]

Does Blaze Tauros get Intimidate?

[chrome knot]

yes

[foggy lodge]

All of them

[molten oasis]

yea they're all intimidate guys

[bold geode]

Ok so maybe instead of Harc, Blaze Tauros for my idea
Fuck it I'll build it in a minute cuz I'm actually just wanting to fuck with it

[molten oasis]

...

i dont like weakening the sand mu with fire tauros

[bold geode]

Oh I'm building a variant of yours if you don't mind
Fuck with Snow Bax

Just as a side thing

Would help with Arch MU there

While Prim + Rilla honestly should just fuckin solo Sand

[molten oasis]

excadrill still gives me concerns

i might, i might wait for the metagame to develop more before returning to this

i wanna play more with water tauros tho, i think water tauros is really solid

or yk waht

i'll go play the ladder a bit and see if anything comes to mind

yk what we could do tbh

we could just make bax a 3 attack guy and try quiver dance volc

mm meh idk, i want support volc lol

[nocturne holly]

Try dd bax

[molten oasis]

im on ddance

[nocturne holly]

it does so much damage even without dd

ohh thought you were sd

I think you can invest more into atk

[molten oasis]

my evs are fine

[nocturne holly]

I used dd as like win con to close games, not necessarily set it up everytime because it does so much damage without
And I imagine it’s even better for you since it’s way bulkier and screens and snow

[molten oasis]

the sun mu feels pretty awful

got rolled by lilicoal

armarouge also barely live an attack i think i could have won otherwise

hisui typhlosion's also proving tough

[foggy lodge]

I got cooked by a Dozo giri gimmick with psych up munkidori and baton pass to miraidon

[craggy dagger]

eruption scarf?

[foggy lodge]

i hate cts

[nocturne holly]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Ghost Dragapult Helping Hand Phantom Force vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Archaludon: 190-224 (96.4 - 113.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Is that roll worth

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Ghost Dragapult Phantom Force vs. +1 252 HP / 12 Def Archaludon: 86-102 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

After a super fang

Can I use helping hand while like something in the “phantom force”

shit sounds so cool

[molten oasis]

i feel like im throwing every game man

[nocturne holly]

But like the turn they use it when the avoid all attacks

[molten oasis]

this team sucks

[nocturne holly]

I assume it avoids it

so triple arrows is good against dengo

forgot about scrappy 😔

[solid frigate]

you didn’t say.

I lost 4 times but eh it doesn’t matter for me

im refering to drago

[molten oasis]

idk if was actually him but i fought a guy named cbutty on ladder

[cyan smelt]

flamigo > h decidueye

[molten oasis]

haha