competitive_discussion

[violet kindle]

Lemme write the team down no cpa

[foggy lodge]

This two imo are the best Koraidon teams
https://pokepast.es/d2dad9563241bb61
https://pokepast.es/efc0f3f5bd27cd0d

[violet kindle]

Ok

Thanks a ton!

[solid frigate]

again,The Team comp i can point it out but actually playing Sun Team I don’t have that much experience due to i use Rain over sun

[rustic mountain]

👀

[foggy lodge]

This one is also pretty good https://youtu.be/3tX7x35FJXA?si=Hy-xheuK8zCFrCae

[violet kindle]

I have a rain team

[solid frigate]

let me see

[bold geode]

Honestly you know what I wanna fuck with for no reason
Rain Perish

[rustic mountain]

like politoed goth?

[solid frigate]

Why i actually wanna play

[bold geode]

Yeah lmao

[rustic mountain]

it def is viable again idk bout rain perish specifically but prolly

[violet kindle]

Its
Kyoger
Urshifu
Tornadus
Peliper
Baraskewsa and
Ogerpon-water

[foggy lodge]

I was testing perish song Primarina w rillaboom for dozo

[rustic mountain]

no urshi means u can actually do wat u want w/ protects and stuff

[bold geode]

Perish Song Primarina with Throat Spray, fuck it

[solid frigate]

thats almost a Water Mono Team-

Remove Baraskewda and Ogerpon water(Im serious.)

[rustic mountain]

i think politoed/amoongus/goth/incin is a good start for that

prolly want some kind of offensive pressure for the other 2 slots

[bold geode]

Politoed shroom goth Incin Palafin

And then + 1

[foggy lodge]

I can just kill it with the perish + fake out and automatically win in 4-2 situations

[rustic mountain]

id run protect on incin, perish teams want all 6 slots to have protect

[foggy lodge]

But haze may be more consistent for Dozo, i have to test

[solid frigate]

ill show my Kyogre team,But this is AV Ogre

[rustic mountain]

perish was used as 1 of the answers to dozo in the past its def viable

[bold geode]

Honestly Perish Song Primarina don't sound bad
People ran it on Flutter before as a wincon button

Basically get your opponent to 2 Pokemon, use Perish Song and stall the last few turns out

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2eedd4504f0dae37

you can remove Boulder for Torn

[rustic mountain]

i think the issue w. perish for reg h is like gholdengo, and rilla incin manual pivots

but not every team has those

[bold geode]

Yeah probably ain't worth it tbh

[rustic mountain]

and theres certainly ways to clear those options and then perish like u mentioned

i think perish is one of those high skill ceiling archetypes

[bold geode]

Yeah
I might do Perish Song Primarina with Throat Spray on one team tbh

Spray activates right?

Wait no I'm a fuckin idiot

I'm a fuckin idiot

[foggy lodge]

I think it does but i don't know if the boost is worth it when primarina is basically killing herself

[bold geode]

Primarina would have to die or lose the boost

I'm a fuckin idiot

[rustic mountain]

u switch out for perish. the idea is to ko ur opponents mons not urs

[bold geode]

My thoughts were all fucked up

[bold geode]

Yeah but using Perish to get the boost
Yeah that don't work out

[rustic mountain]

nah

[foggy lodge]

I'm running sitrus

[rustic mountain]

u need to hyper voice

prim or azu would be the water perish user

[bold geode]

Azu gets Perish Song?

[forest arrow]

Gross perish trap

[foggy lodge]

Is still a good item for it, perish is not the only thing that Primarina does

[forest arrow]

You’re not wolfey babe

lol

[solid frigate]

lmao

[forest arrow]

Jk jk

[rustic mountain]

it does

[bold geode]

Hey babe
Imma take a shower then ladder or some shit
Wanna VC when I do?

[rustic mountain]

perish trap is kind of annoying not only to play vs but to play as. its extremely methodical and a lot of times is very linear. usually the best perish trap players know wen to utilize it and wen not to otherwise if u jus default it ur not gna win consistently against good players

[solid frigate]

unless you have the boi

Cheese String Man Gholdengo

[forest arrow]

Maybe this weekend babe but I can try I just work at 5 am

[bold geode]

Nah if you can't that's fine, don't want you losing sleep

[forest arrow]

I’m sorry

😦

[bold geode]

I need babe to fuck them tacos up in a good way, not a bad

[solid frigate]

Wha-

[rustic mountain]

thats my point tho, a good perish player will know how to remove gholdengo before setting perish up as an end game. they arent going to bait into setting it to ko like 1 thing and then have the other switch out w/ u turn or some shit. having that level of awareness and knowing how to build toward ur wincon is much more exact w/ perish cause of the tools u have

or maybe they dont set it up at all

[solid frigate]

its kinda like can you beat Dengo before it beats your Perish Trap users

[rustic mountain]

most ppl tho yea they jus lose to dengo cuz they tunnel vision on perish

[solid frigate]

Just put something that can kill Dengo and you be fine i guess

[rustic mountain]

its never that simple tho right? u gta dance it like they arent jus gna let u blitz their dengo or w/e theyll tera, theyll switch to their incin or resist etc like u gta know how to manuever but its even more pointed cause of how that archetype is and how u need to achieve the specific wincons ur team requires

[solid frigate]

kinda always forgot that its not reg C anymore

Perish Trap becomes Less effective now

[violet kindle]

Hi im back

Team of sun
Koraidon
H lilligant
Walking wake
Raging bolt
Incin
Chi yu

Where can i fit in whimsicot

[mighty stump]

I think Perish Trap might not be as great without Flutter or Scream Tail tbh

But its nice to have

I think Gothi is a bit sleeper pick rn

[violet kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-pokemon-cry-crying-sad-gif-1607776919872621367

[rustic mountain]

yea

i think w/ how the format is tho, u can afford those perish turns a lot more still

also wave crash 1hkoing tera grass volc in the rain

[timber falcon]

thoughts on cinderace?

i think that it could work as just some great offensive pressure on a team

[mighty stump]

Classic Palafin

[mighty stump]

Its ok.

You could bring back Blaze Cinderace with Focus Sash with Court Change

My old set was Protect/Court Change/Pyro Ball/Sucker Punch

[timber falcon]

court change?

[rustic mountain]

so strong haha

[dapper crag]

Move: Court Change

Switches the Mist, Light Screen, Reflect, Spikes, Safeguard, Tailwind, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, Water Pledge, Fire Pledge, Grass Pledge, Sticky Web, Aurora Veil, G-Max Steelsurge, G-Max Cannonade, G-Max Vine Lash, and G-Max Wildfire effects from the user's side to the opposing side and vice versa.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

I wonder if it can OHKO Archa in rain

[next stump]

wow I just got disgustingly lucky in my OPL set

I feel bad

[mighty stump]

Court Change was one of the first teams I built in SwSh which countered GMAX Lapras and TW teams

It was a pseudo-tailwind setter that was more offensive wahaha

[mighty stump]

What happened lmaoo

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2173672033-kwlezlwd5u30sdtmcbxhdq8f14391r5pw - G1

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2173674044-a5zm0kv0osmnlt3uuil2qtya3x7z83fpw - G2

two short replays

[foggy lodge]

Change Inci or Chi-Yu

[mighty stump]

Oh no

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wario-laugh-haha-gif-5227606

[mighty stump]

You haxed them with Crystal Rain

[mighty stump]

Lol I was thinking more of Wattson

[next stump]

this is one of the few teams I have used lately that feels like it has a good MU into caly-shadow

[mighty stump]

Did you see my OPL match

Snorlax MVP

[next stump]

no I didn't but that's hype

[mighty stump]

G1: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2173117728-gzy1ule4j7yesmob6ncicn6mndaiysdpw?p2
G2: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2173119869-b6bb12vzn6hqoni5wv6fb7emfxpzktmpw
G3: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2173122683-9zqxnzfwtubfh6lpiwgmp3vh0w8bm6epw

[timber falcon]

how do you even start making a balance team

[next stump]

fire/water/grass

one set-up pokemon usually (swords dance, nasty plot, calm mind, etc.)

tech out the rest from there

[timber falcon]

does said setup mon have to be part of the fwg trio?

[next stump]

no not at all

like gholdengo is probably the premier Reg H example

used to be stuff like Kingambit

[timber falcon]

ok ill keep that in mind

Thanks

[mighty stump]

Dude you should see my team for Reg H

Its Chesnaught/Arma/Blastoise for FWG

Hydreigon for FWG-D

[next stump]

i loveeee chesnaught

he's really that dude

[mighty stump]

Then obv Snorlax and Indeedee as Arma’s friend

[timber falcon]

is there a specific order i should be following

like did you just start off with chessnaught

[charred saddle]

anyone got AV archludon set?

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b0eb1a0909233a3d Prima over pala or would that be too much set up on the team
I want prima for that fairy typing
Also gambit over dengo?

[balmy glen]

Why are you pubg player

[chrome knot]

todays migraine survivor

[balmy glen]

@next stump

[timber falcon]

is farig needed

[silver ravine]

Farig is a good means of speed control in case they have tailwind or a means of ending trick room, if they're a trick room team

[nocturne holly]

I like it for anti FO and sucker that pult and dengo are weak to

[dapper crag]

Ability: Rain Dish

If Rain Dance is active, this Pokemon restores 1/16 of its maximum HP, rounded down, at the end of each turn. This effect is prevented if this Pokemon is holding a Utility Umbrella.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[silver ravine]

Any reason to not use special pault? Also not a big fan of phantom force

[bold geode]

Why in the fuck

[timber falcon]

overall weaker mode, with weaker movesets

[bold geode]

Explain Tofu

[nocturne holly]

You just gotta position it right

[timber falcon]

bro im still tryna figure out what he was cooking

[nocturne holly]

You can FO cycle so well with it its crazy

[nocturne holly]

He made us play guess who on what the mons are 😭

[chrome knot]

can i send the replay

[silver ravine]

I'd argue shadow ball is better than phantom force. Draco metor def is better than dragon darts. Though losing out 20 pts from going to phsyical to special does hurt

[bold geode]

I'm tryna figure out what Chesnaught and Blastoise bring to the table

[timber falcon]

not just the points, look sat the base stats

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 887: Dragapult

Types

Dragon/Ghost

Abilities

Clear Body, Infiltrator, Cursed Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/120/75/100/75/142

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

Draco Meteor is not better than Dragon Darts lmao

[silver ravine]

Right I mean't 20 pts as in the difference in stats between attack and special.

[dull ibex]

Head smash is so satisfying

[bold geode]

Yeah it's satisfying when I smash your head in a wall

[silver ravine]

130 vs 100 with a chance of it only being 50

[bold geode]

Wym?

Dragon Darts has smart targeting

It always either hits twice or 0 times (once if it kills)

[silver ravine]

Dragon darts is only 50 bp and while it hits twice, it can hit the other mon instead of the same mon

[bold geode]

So

[timber falcon]

ohhh ok. Those points do matter a lot though. Yes phantom force has its downs but it can be replaced with tera blast if needed, and darts is just good for spread heck in some cases its 100BP onto one mon

[bold geode]

Still benefit heavily off of Dragon Darts cuz it has smart targeting
So if one protects, both goes into the other slot

[timber falcon]

choice band + STAB does good enough damage

[bold geode]

It's just better all around

[silver ravine]

You know what? You right

[chrome knot]

this sounds like the stupid fucking debate of someone using iron head gholdengo

[bold geode]

But Choice Band Gholdengo bro

[next stump]

I have been playing SO much PUBG lately lol

my alts are always just the name of whatever my fixation is at the time

[timber falcon]

any banded harc sets?

or any idea of what moves it usually has

[cyan smelt]

i think drago was running banded harc with flare blitz, e speed, head smash and rock slide

[pure pond]

That's how. Hmmm.

[nocturne holly]

Thoughts anyone?

[pure pond]

No worry.

Hm

[timber falcon]

yeah i checked munchlax and this adds up

[timber falcon]

what would the fairy typing do?

[nocturne holly]

Gives me a dsf core

[timber falcon]

i mean if you ran throat spray it wouldnt rlly be set up

and you could get offensive quickly

[charred saddle]

this is what i used

[timber falcon]

any calcs?

[charred saddle]

dont remember the exact bulk calcs, was for reg F

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e6d1c2e88b057da7

thoughts here?

[craggy dagger]

something to stop a grassy glide rillaboom from wiping swampert

[chrome knot]

whys everyone trying to get cute with this ribombee shit

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 743: Ribombee

Types

Bug/Fairy

Abilities

Honey Gather, Shield Dust, Sweet Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/55/60/95/70/124

Total

464

Other Formes

Ribombee-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Ability: Shield Dust

This Pokemon is not affected by the secondary effect of another Pokemon's attack.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[charred saddle]

so no FO?

[chrome knot]

covert cloak whims :D

[charred saddle]

but its sashed?

[chrome knot]

sashed and i saw it take 25% from fake out.

[charred saddle]

i mean

if ur gonna just take FO and an attack

might as well just protect

idk? sash is off to me haha

[chrome knot]

mon is useless

[timber falcon]

plan was to make arc handle

[timber falcon]

no clue on why its really there, feels like a wasted slot

[charred saddle]

u dont have ways to hit water teras

[timber falcon]

good point

[charred saddle]

also, u cant stop amoonguss sporing ur team so

water tera moonguss, then ur team just suddenly goes weird

[timber falcon]

i gotta remake

i might just stidk with hydreigon

[nocturne holly]

Flare blitz, rock slide, e speed, tee abkast

You can run max spe and then invest into some hp and then atk dump

[chrome knot]

head smash

[nocturne holly]

uhhh imo rock slide> if it’s intim

Head smash if rock head

[charred saddle]

headsmash is fun yeah, i just dont like the misses

[chrome knot]

(?)

[charred saddle]

wrong move in my head

[chrome knot]

flare blitz
rock slide
espeed
head smash
@ tera normal

[charred saddle]

-1 196+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine-Hisui Head Smash vs. 244 HP / 200 Def Incineroar: 218-260 (108.4 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

head smash is very strong against incin

[nocturne holly]

Head smash is fire

I just prefer tera blast on my harc

harc is so fun to play

[cyan smelt]

it's good that harc is viable again

[nocturne holly]

Yea def

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 59: Arcanine

Type

Fire

Abilities

Intimidate, Flash Fire, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/110/80/100/80/95

Total

555

Other Formes

Arcanine-Hisui

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 59: Arcanine-Hisui

Types

Fire/Rock

Abilities

Intimidate, Flash Fire, Rock Head (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/80/95/80/90

Total

555

Base Species

Arcanine

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yea bout the same stats

Interesting how everyone thought that h arc was gonna be worse because of the rock typing but made it actually better

[bold geode]

I misjudge how much P2 can actually do rn

[jade dust]

I don’t like how with each new gen the power creep gets worse. The GOAT mons like Snorlax falling off so hard

I would like those really good mons of past gens to still be viable and usable

Even Tyranitar is falling off this gen

One of the few mons that were always good

[fickle void]

Hellooooo

I am back with another team in need of more advice

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/small-small-center-zoolander-ben-stiller-ants-gif-5494197

[fickle void]

O:

Wha- what you mean???

[old tulip]

Trying some tech having sneasel as a beat up user for Annihilape
Anyone able to help with EV spread?

[silver ravine]

Just slightly teasing. I'd recommend uploading to PokePaste and then sharing the link so it's easier to read. Like this for example https://pokepast.es/9fbc4259303f0db4

[fickle void]

Yuh

... How?

https://pokepast.es/45a7918f69b82bc5 figured it out

[foggy lodge]

252 252 4 xd

Is focus sash so there's no point investing into bulk

But tbh no point in running Sneasel as a beat up user when Maushold is there

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 925: Maushold

Type

Normal

Abilities

Friend Guard, Cheek Pouch, Technician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/75/70/65/75/111

Total

470

Other Formes

Maushold-Four

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

??? T-Tar Really didn’t fall off that much,Still pretty strong for Sand Teams

Heck this Format everything dropped so they can be used

[foggy lodge]

Tbh i think it's more a problem of how past gens designed their mons

Previous to gen 3 there are a lot of mixed attacker to get value out of stab because the category was decided because of the type

[mighty stump]

Spiritomb gets walled by Normal types

[fickle void]

True

Switch for dark pulse or smth?

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/farigiraf-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-giraffe-girafarig-gif-26879243

[mighty stump]

I mean pick one or the other between physical/special

If you’re going Foul Play then it’s fine, but imo Foul Play is kinda meh right now

Ally Switch is bad

Imo overall the team looks clunky. Only method of guaranteeing TR going up is Fake Out pressure or maybe Aroma Veil to prevent Taunts

[torn parrot]

Hi peoples

🍺

[mighty stump]

🔪

[old tulip]

I ran maushold duringnthe early regs and I most likely plan to for this one aswell! Just thought i would try something a little different for fun!

[mighty stump]

If you have both Maushold and Sneasel then it’s pretty redundant

[old tulip]

Just wanted to try and be a little silly with it
Maushold is the better option by far, Just like experimenting for the sake of it!
Just was looking at the Sneasel and thought "Do i even invest in attack if i am planning on just hitting my own ape and icy wind is my only real damage?" So just putting EV's to test has bbeen a struggle

[jade dust]

Is it really? I barely saw like 3 in master rank

I saw 0 in top 500
Tyranitar is the best sand setter and the weather setter with the best stats that isn’t restricted, but sand now has a lot of competition in weather. Sun got buffed with the existence of paradox, and snow is a really good weather as well

[solid frigate]

1.Im talking about Reg H

and 2 there are Zama Ttar Teams and Caly Ice Ttar Teams

and 3,Just because that Pokemon is not used a lot doesn’t mean it can’t have a Specfic Niche

[craggy dagger]

i would be living proof about point 3 that Aegis made

[solid frigate]

Lol

which is very true

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

Well some form of offensive pressure would be good. Speed is already the most necessary set

[cyan smelt]

It's crazy how people are still using dondozo in such a high powered format

[chrome knot]

go to bed

[craggy dagger]

why aer you awake

[chrome knot]

bc i woke up

and i going back to bed

[devout mist]

for regulation H ?

[cyan smelt]

No, reg g

[devout mist]

really, is there a team placed well in tournament with big fish ?

[cyan smelt]

Probably not but I just played someone ranked 541 in game with dozo on the team

[devout mist]

ha okay cause Dozo is great in Singles still

blanket check to so much bs

[cyan smelt]

People love the big catfish for some reason

[devout mist]

He's great at checking setup Mons in Singles

Very not the same as the Tatsugiri shenanigan in Doubles

[cyan smelt]

Yeah commander was definitely made with doubles in mind

[craggy dagger]

gn
Sleep well

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2173864288
just dont miss your body presses
:0

[cyan smelt]

Thought you were gonna haze with the murkrow for a second

[solid frigate]

somehow KommoNova sounds very hype tho as a name

[craggy dagger]

i took a gamble
but also i wanted to capitalize on the -4 defense

[next stump]

good morning

[cyan smelt]

that's fair on taking a gamble and good morning dillon

[craggy dagger]

gm Dillon!

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah nova watch out for trick gholdengo with that kommo-o

[forest arrow]

Gm!

[mighty stump]

Morning Dillon.

But good evening in general everyone

[solid frigate]

good afternoon from UK Tofu

[woven gale]

Is there anyone good at making viable teams? I have some pokemon that i really adore and have a bunch of typing but i struggle with making them work with each other

[mighty stump]

Depends on what you're working with.

[next stump]

Are you looking to play singles or doubles?

[woven gale]

Well, i really like cute pokemon and pretty ones, and both

I think mostly singles

[mighty stump]

Mm, unfortunately I can't help there. Majority of us play doubles. Best of luck.

[woven gale]

The team i have right now is: gardevoir, blood moon ursuluna, primarina, chandelure, venusaur and rayquaza

Ohh dw if its for doubles thats ok too, i just need it to work a lil

[next stump]

For in game ranked battles, Rayquaza is about to become banned

In September the rules will shift to ban legendary and paradox pokemon

[woven gale]

I see, well i dont mind switching some pokemon out

And i have some other pokemon i really like but not sure how to make it work

[mighty stump]

Well, on the bright side, those are generally somewhat viable choices in the context of Reg H for doubles, with BM Ursaluna and Primarina being good picks. The problem would be when you're trying to make them work together off of aesthetic.

Generally, you want to formulate a gameplan that should be accounting for common matchups. Team slots are valuable resources, I would ideally probably pick out one or two mons you like and go from there.

As to their efficacy, it's best to keep expectations tempered as well.

Since it's a lower power format, there is going to be more room for experimentation, but it will challenge the fundamentals of a player as well.

[woven gale]

I see..

[solid frigate]

I mean The only one that is Viable and Cute is Whimsicott in Doubles

[mighty stump]

Well the cute aspect is subjective.

[solid frigate]

i mean its Whimsicott

[woven gale]

I find blood moon ursuluna adorable

[mighty stump]

It is a bear after all.

[woven gale]

I called it teddy

[mighty stump]

Well, if we start with BM Ursaluna, you're starting pretty well off.

[woven gale]

Nice!

[mighty stump]

Assuming this is going to be for the next regulation in the coming month, and for doubles

Are you familiar at all with Pokemon Showdown or any competitive resources?

[woven gale]

Not really

I just finished the whole game and dlc and wanted to look into more stuff to do

[mighty stump]

Okay, I highly recommend perhaps taking the time to perhaps peruse some resources within our pins

You have the same reasoning I did when I started

[solid frigate]

BM Ursa and Farigiraf is the Trick Room Archetype for this format if you wanna play BM Ursaluna

[mighty stump]

Maybe hold off on the terminology first.

[solid frigate]

but highly suggest the Pins

[solid frigate]

I haven’t typed the highly suggest pins parts lmao

[mighty stump]

Lol

But yes, Trick Room is probably one of the terms you're gonna have to get accomodated with

[woven gale]

i didnt know it would be difficult

[mighty stump]

It's a method of speed control to enable Blood Moon Ursaluna

[mighty stump]

Yeah, pretty much. It's a massive knowledge investment to start, but if you get into it, it's a pretty rewarding hobby

[woven gale]

Well, i have a pokemon i really like aswell that is hatterne….? Not sure if shes viable?

[solid frigate]

Everyone starts at somewhere,You are lucky that you start at a lower power Level Format

[mighty stump]

Also a good pick for Regulation H

[solid frigate]

Fits a Niche

[mighty stump]

Plus, there are some established teams for it already. Both Hatterene and BM Ursaluna. Both are Trick Room Pokemon though.

[woven gale]

I see

[mighty stump]

I definitely recommend just having a read over of something like VGCguide, or perhaps starting on youtube to dip your toes into competitive stuff

[woven gale]

So i should use a slower team maybe? And have trick room

Alright

[mighty stump]

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP0vkWtGI14 This is an example of a team if you prefer watching. It is for Regulation E, so it does feature Paradox Pokemon, but the general team concept is retained for Reg H

[woven gale]

Alright thank you! Ill go watch it

[mighty stump]

If you have any questions, I'm sure either the competitive helpers or the regulars are happy to answer.

[woven gale]

Thanks a bunch

[mighty stump]

There aren't any stupid questions, as long as your attitude is good 👍

[woven gale]

[solid frigate]

Also Trick Room Teams often run like 2 versions,Hard Trick Room and Soft Trick Room

Soft Trick Room is for teams that does not necessarily Require Trick Room to Get it running,Often Run 2 Fast Pokemon to have a secondary Mode

Hard Trick Room is Required to use Trick Room to make the Team do Damage or Contribute on the Game/Battle

But of course Watch the video for more about TR

anyways

[bold geode]

Is the Hershey's Candy Bar a fruit

[mighty stump]

No.

[bold geode]

Damn

[heady bronze]

havent played competitive in over a year, pelipper seems to still be good. im very happy

[pallid hare]

In the sense that Mozzarella is a vegetable

[next stump]

pelipper is really that dude

[solid frigate]

Its the guy

[heady bronze]

pelipper + archadulon is nuts ive found

its doing work rn for me

[opal trout]

I made a team with them for reg h and it’s amazing

[heady bronze]

hes my favourite little guy

who needs big legendary orca when birb exists

[woven gale]

I see

Is trevenant any good in a soft trick room?

I could have hatterne, bm ursaluna and trevenant so far?

[dapper crag]

Item: Wide Lens

The accuracy of attacks by the holder is 1.1x.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[modern harbor]

i thought "hey, let's play a game before i go to bed"

missed 4 bleakwinds in a row and lost

[chrome knot]

that prob felt awesome

[unkempt lava]

You know dem times you make such a dumb play you don't even try justify yourself you just accept the loss

[chrome knot]

(?)

[solid frigate]

eh its meh but in this format it can work

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 709: Trevenant

Types

Ghost/Grass

Abilities

Natural Cure, Frisk, Harvest (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/110/76/65/82/56

Total

474

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

speed is good in TR tho it can try to do Harvest Tech

tho the bulk is kinda meh for that tech

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 103: Exeggutor

Types

Grass/Psychic

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Harvest (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/85/125/75/55

Total

530

Other Formes

Exeggutor-Alola

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

Ok nvm

[unkempt lava]

/Dr ursaluna

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Mind's Eye

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

113/70/120/135/65/52

Total

555

Base Species

Ursaluna

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[woven gale]

So, i watched some videos and understand how it basically works

But now for the team i want it to be light trick room

So i have: hatterne, bm ursuluna, and ive seen some use chandelure?

But now im not sure what else is viable to add.. I need a support like indeede but im wondering if any others would work aswell?

[pure cloak]

does virizion need 6iv? and what's the best moveset for it?

[devout mist]

Grimmsnarl has been good to me

[woven gale]

Im already using hatterne so id have double fairy

[devout mist]

Fairy is good though

It's not shit like some bad typings

You said you wanted Light Trick Room, Hatt feels heavy Trick Room from what I know

Look for role compression with P2/Iron Hands/Grimmsnarl

[mighty stump]

Paradox are banned in Reg H…

[chrome knot]

vine boom sound effect

[mighty stump]

Indeedee/Hatt are essentially a pair as Psyspam. Ursaluna can fit in as another sweeper. In this scenario you might as well be leaning into a full TR mode if you want both

[woven gale]

I see

Indeedee it is

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/c07822185db0f946

[mighty stump]

Indeedee-F to be specific

[devout mist]

you're right damn

[woven gale]

So, i was looking at what else to use and i got this so far

[devout mist]

I'm very intrigued using P2 as a trick room setter though

[woven gale]

Hatterne, indeedee, bm ursaluna, hydrapple, chandelure

What do you think?

[chrome knot]

its like the meme of the horse that starts out really well drawn then turns into line art made by a child

[devout mist]

Isn't this a bit hard trick room no ?

[mighty stump]

Again, we cannot add Pokemon for the sake of wanting them to be there. There must be justifications required

Its the unfortunate truth of competitive

[woven gale]

I thought because of their speed?

[chrome knot]

tofu did you look at the paste I sent you

[woven gale]

Hydrapple is very slow so i thought hed work

[heady bronze]

competitive can be fun yk

[mighty stump]

Sure, their speed may allow them to work in TR, but there must be additional reasons as to why they’re there.

Essentially you’re building without considering how it plans to interact with the meta

Overall every member needs to be contributing to a matchup in one way or another

[mighty stump]

It can be, but it’s also not as free as people think to play around with. That’s just how it is.

I do not want people having false expectations that it’s a space to have fun with favourites cause that’s how they end up discouraged

[woven gale]

maybe i should just not do comp

[heady bronze]

yeah of course not but unless your at the top of the game you can beat a surprising number of teams using what you like (provided they are still reasonably powerful)

[mighty stump]

Everyone has different accepted metrics of success, sure, but it’s not going to be fun when people roll your team even at the lower rankings since it happens to be meta

[woven gale]

Oh im also not looking to be the best , just want to be able to so something without being obliterated xd

[heady bronze]

i climbed the ladder using eiscue, i dont think its that black and white

[balmy glen]

Nah just win

[heady bronze]

who needs meta when funny penguin

[mighty stump]

Anecdotes from one party don’t really tell the majority story of the newcomer experience

[balmy glen]

I found my reg h team for Baltimore before I found my worlds team

We’re so cooked

[mighty stump]

Lol

[devout mist]

oh reg H is live on showdown let's fucking go

[mighty stump]

Understandable, but the level of play overall has increased. The concept of “not getting obliterated” still requires some degree of understanding competitive

It’s pretty easy to get lost

[woven gale]

Yeah i understand

[devout mist]

Do like me, pick a rental and spam the same opener for 20 games in a row

[mighty stump]

But with something like Indeedee/Hatt you should climb pretty easily

[chrome knot]

i made a hilarious team while procrastinating doing a calc sheet for a friend

[woven gale]

What do you think is not viable in the team?

[mighty stump]

Well, I’m not seeing what Hydrapple/Chandelure exactly provide for you matchup wise.

Indeedee/Hatt Psyspam needs a method of dealing with Rillaboom’s terrain control + Incineroar being able to essentially stall/tank your Trick Room turns. I think between those two alongside a standard Palance core Hydrapple/Chandelure aren’t exactly doing that much for that archetype

[devout mist]

Palance ?

[mighty stump]

Palance

Palafin Balance?

[devout mist]

You meant Palance

[mighty stump]

Yes?

[devout mist]

Oh I see

I've not seen a Palafin in ages

[woven gale]

I see

[mighty stump]

Cause Urshifu exists. I’m speaking from a Reg H POV.

[devout mist]

Yeah I'm getting there too

[heady bronze]

palafin is pretty popular in reg h from what ive seen

[devout mist]

I started when Palafin wasn't run much I guess

It got banned straight in Singles

[devout mist]

for real, the loss on tempo isn't that detrimental ?

[woven gale]

Alright.. then i have hatterne, bm ursaluna and indeedee

[heady bronze]

doesnt seem so, hes sitting at just below 10% usage on showdown at the moment according to pikalytics

[mighty stump]

Not really. Lower power level + stronger pivot options.

[woven gale]

Are there any competitive viable options to add to this that look pretty?

[heady bronze]

i mean prettier than hydrapple? probably

[chrome knot]

if you want a fun & cute option add hisuian lilligant & torkoal

[mighty stump]

Easy pair to add that adds good weather control, methods to pressure Rillaboom, and act as a fast mode for TR

[devout mist]

There's no loss on tempo ? How ?

[woven gale]

The liligant is cute

[chrome knot]

dont be mean to torkoal. >;(

[mighty stump]

Stronger pivot options.

[woven gale]

But i didint know it would work because shes fast?

[devout mist]

wdym ?

[woven gale]

im sorry

[chrome knot]

play her when tr isnt up

[devout mist]

you still have to switch out and back in to transform no ?

[chrome knot]

after you + eruption will be your best friend

[heady bronze]

after you is a fun move yeah

[woven gale]

I see!

[mighty stump]

The stronger pivot options means despite the loss of initial turn 1 momentum you have significant space to prevent momentum buildup from the opponent and swing tempo back in your favour

[heady bronze]

instruct oranguru + eruption was my goto for a while

[woven gale]

Then id have 1 more slot

Are there any other than torkoal?

[chrome knot]

so for example if a team is rly squishy and lacks weather/follow me you can lead lilligant and torkoal and bomb their starting pair :3

no if u play lilligant you need torkoal girly

[devout mist]

I guess, I'll have to see the dolphin in action to really see if it's worth running

[chrome knot]

lilligant gets chlorophyll which doubles her speed in sun, torkoal sets sun on entry

[devout mist]

anyone has a spread for a Palafin reg H team ?

[woven gale]

Yeah ive seen that with venusaur

[chrome knot]

venu is greed mon

lilligant shares ^.^

[woven gale]

XD

So, torkoal for drought but also because their slow or does that not matter?

[chrome knot]

yes

[woven gale]

Ive seen people use ninetales aswell but im guessing she wont work in my team right

[chrome knot]

torkoal is slow af so when you DO set trick room

she goes first

[woven gale]

I see

[heady bronze]

so you can run torkoal with the rest of your trick room shenanigans or you can run it with lilligant and then she goes speedy

[woven gale]

I see

[pure cloak]

what IV spread is best for virizion? and what moveset?

[woven gale]

You have a very inspiring about me

[whole ibex]

Here’s a few teams I have made with Flamigo. Not sure about some of the Tera Choices and what rain abuser I want to have in the final team but this seems like a start. I’m putting sash on Flamigo and thinking about having Bax on the team instead of chomp.

https://pokepast.es/694a1c5cd9746698

https://pokepast.es/248d17ba2d0d3575

[chrome knot]

have you considered googling instead of asking for sets of an unviable pokemon

[pure cloak]

uhhh first thing i did, however i found different moveset suggestions and don't know which is best
i'm not well-versed in competitive at all, sorry if i asked about an unviable pokemon
is there a reliable website for builds that i can check out?
my bad again

[chrome knot]

unsure since 0 usage stats sites will have virizion ive seen it 0 times in my entire time playing vgc lmfao

[pure cloak]

oh i see
thanks for helping anyway!

[next stump]

https://x.com/damovgc/status/1820469946482364855?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Damo 💙 (@DamoVGC) on X

How I created a EV-spread for Sinistcha that lives these three things under Light Screen:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Shadow Ball
252+ Atk Mystic Water Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash in Rain
252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Normal Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon

1/7

Twitter · Aug 5, 2024, 2:40 PM

[mighty stump]

For free?

[next stump]

good thread to read for EVing help

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/636de110d3dfff31 changed the team and it is doin ga lot better then the last team lol

[plain drum]

I am going to be mean to Torkoal

[heady bronze]

torkoals the goat

[nocturne holly]

torkoal stinky 🤮

[mighty stump]

Why the fuck are people running 252/252 HP DEF Pelipper

[nocturne holly]

even stinkier 🤮

[bold geode]

Huh

[spiral ridge]

Be nice to fire tortoise :(

[ornate elk]

Why not

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-torkoal-ok-bye-ok-bye-gif-10952927295946666301

Look what you made them do eni

[pearl wind]

bentork noooooo

[mighty stump]

?

[ornate elk]

You ask why people run that

Why not

[mighty stump]

If you have to ask why not, you don't understand the point.

[ornate elk]

(I have 0 competitve knowledge)

[spiral ridge]

Peli is usually a sash mon so you can see why making bulky is weird

[mighty stump]

No, a max max def spread is just non optimal lol

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

Even for defensive sets

[spiral ridge]

What does more defensive sets run? Just more spread out bulk?

[mighty stump]

It's rarely max max def

[craggy dagger]

even with bulk, you rarely run max max into bulk because not only are you missing out on speed EVs-
which are really important because sometimes you want to be faster than a threat or avoid taunt
plus who doesn’t like putting some offensive EVs to hit a little harder
having all bulk and hitting like a wet noodle is no fun

[bold geode]

Porygon 2 would like to speak to you

[craggy dagger]

right but with P2 it gets download so it gets an auto +1 to an attacking stat

and P2 does not
hit like a wet noodle

it hits like a punch from a boxer-

[torn parrot]

Imo it’s not too surprising it seems like common sets are 252 252 cus most people don’t know how to build spreads

[craggy dagger]

well no i’d understand 252 attacking stat 252 speed

or 252hp 252 attacking stat

but why

[bold geode]

Oh I've been running Trace fuck

[craggy dagger]

252hp and 252 defensive stat?

[spiral ridge]

MONKE 😭

[bold geode]

It hits hard with Trace even then

[craggy dagger]

i mean
it’s fine

Both abilities are really good

though Trace copies the ability of the pokemon adjacent to you

[bold geode]

I actually damn near won a game last night cuz my P2 traced Moody and almost outpaced the whole fuckin team

[craggy dagger]

opponent

um-
the one right across

[mighty stump]

Trace is fine.

[craggy dagger]

it’s not like imposter where it changes into the one cross from it

[mighty stump]

Getting Good As Gold on a P2 is basically game winning.

[bold geode]

Good as Gold can be traced?

[spiral ridge]

Why wouldn’t it?

[bold geode]

I know there's some abilities that can't and I thought Good as Gold was one of em

[spiral ridge]

Oh is there

[dapper crag]

Ability: Trace

On switch-in, this Pokemon copies a random opposing Pokemon's Ability. Abilities that cannot be copied are As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Embody Aspect, Flower Gift, Forecast, Hunger Switch, Ice Face, Illusion, Imposter, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Poison Puppeteer, Power Construct, Power of Alchemy, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, Receiver, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Teraform Zero, Tera Shell, Tera Shift, Trace, Zen Mode, and Zero to Hero. If no opposing Pokemon has an Ability that can be copied, this Ability will activate as soon as one does.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

Wow it can

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-monkey-monkey-ug-master-oogway-oogway-gif-19727561

[craggy dagger]

yeh

[bold geode]

That'd actually yeah that'd be fuckin crazy to Trace

[craggy dagger]

the ones it can’t trace are the abilities that are unique to a pokemon that will usually transform them into something else

[spiral ridge]

Gotcha

[craggy dagger]

hence why-
as one, battle bond, commander, stance change etc

[torn parrot]

I love reg H

It’s my favorite Reg

🍯

[craggy dagger]

man-
i’ve grown a love hate relationship with gholdengo

dengo is awesome and can hit hard and do cool stuff-
also goofy design

but
why does it have to wall body press kommo-o

[spiral ridge]

Pft

[torn parrot]

Make it rain feels balanced after playing reg G

[craggy dagger]

the two pokemon my team sucks into
is a dengo
and an archapeli lead

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger want a team I think you'd like

[craggy dagger]

shoot

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/2ab1abe1ab4b6f49

mouse trap

[torn parrot]

I love that name

[chrome knot]

its bc you usually expect mausape to be beat up BUT its coaching pop bomb :3

[torn parrot]

Oh god you can coaching into maushold that’s scary

[craggy dagger]

attacker maus i see

[chrome knot]

I love children bomb

[mighty stump]

The good ol CTS switchup

[craggy dagger]

how come lum berry dnite though

[chrome knot]

tbf I can see this working in ots

[bold geode]

I suck into everything
I can't get out of the 1000s for some reason

[mighty stump]

Oof

[bold geode]

I'm at the state again where idk what I'm doing wrong cuz logical choices don't even feel logical after I make em and just things go wrong

[mighty stump]

A story in 3 parts

[craggy dagger]

LMAO

[bold geode]

That's the part that's hurting me
Because I can't find out what is wrong, I can't fix the fuckin holes

[mighty stump]

Lol what's your team

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/685463344338f790
Replaced Pollen Puff with Protect on shroom cuz it's just never used

[mighty stump]

Ok

Top 250

I can call it a day

Snorlax carrying

[bold geode]

I wish

[mighty stump]

What even is your team

[bold geode]

It's right here

[mighty stump]

Why are you even CC Palafin

[craggy dagger]

i’m half tempted to run tera fairy kommo-o instead of tera steel

[bold geode]

I got Clear Smog so

I dropped Haze

[mighty stump]

Well if you're confident

Snarl feels pointless on Incin here

You might as well just click Knock Off into Gholdengo

[bold geode]

Snarl + Peli is basically there for Psyspam

[mighty stump]

You lose to Meteor Beam Armarouge

[bold geode]

So it sucks and I should pack it up

[mighty stump]

My gut is tellling me you should just go for Terrain control + P2 to ruin their day

I'm not really a fan of Pelipper being here

[bold geode]

Or like
The idea was that I could have Palafin mode and TR mode
TR with shroom P2 Incin Ursa
And Palafin usually I go P2 Pala Incin Amoongus

Do I double grass it?

[mighty stump]

I'd just double Grass

I mean

Ok

Wide Guard is alright

But like if they Meteor Beam Pelipper and then eat a Snarl it's basically neutral then the rest of your team is open to being chipped afterwards

If you can click Snarl i'd rather spend time clicking Taunt into Indeedee then Knock Off or something

Idk

Something about this doesn't feel correct

[bold geode]

Ye cuz it's just not

[dull ibex]

vc?

[mighty stump]

That or you're just playing weird

Sure

[dull ibex]

pog lets go monke

[bold geode]

Idk this is the most cohesive feeling I've made and I still fail

[bold geode]

Work

[mighty stump]

Eh

[dull ibex]

fair

[mighty stump]

Redo it with a clear head imo

I also think Eerie Impulse P2 with Tera Grass might be the way

[bold geode]

I had Eerie Impulse before
You told me to change?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but like I want SBall and Tera Blast too

Brain hurty ow

Maybe go back to Eerie but the coverage just blows against Gholdengo

Act nevermind

You don't need Eerie since you have Luna

[bold geode]

Yeah
Might Tera Grass though tbh
Flying helps with EQ dodging but P2 ate that shit anyways

Actually that was the theory but I never clicked it so

[mighty stump]

Hits FIn, avoids Amoonguss, coverage still suffering

Lol

[bold geode]

Maybe the tera is actually useless

Hell maybe EQ is bad

[mighty stump]

I mean, Rilla lol

[bold geode]

Yeah
Peli was there for like
Armadee Torkoal but
Actually also why I thought of Garg lmao

But then I actually checked Rage Fist calcs like you talked about with me and well
That's still a lot

I even thought of a dumb idea I saw
A WG Scrappy Flamigo but nah

[nocturne holly]

how do teams without rain deal with hard sun and sun tr

[mighty stump]

Garg is like

ok

i just think like

You try and counter MausApe

But realistically what do you do

Lol

[bold geode]

Yeah but a Rage Fist stacked is still 50-60%

Idek that MU I haven't fought one

I thought about Arch too but like idk

Instead of Goldie

Or no Peli

[mighty stump]

PHerb Archa lmaooo

[bold geode]

Lmao
I was thinking Snarl/BP/Draco/Flash maybe

[mighty stump]

Yeah why not

Churchaludno

[bold geode]

Steel resist Psychic and Meteor Beam
Torkoal might be a problem if they set TR but eh
Also if you hit Arch, you gotta deal with the Stamina boosts so

What tera should it run

Also speaking of Meteor Beam, I was wondering if you knew how fast Arma were going

[nocturne holly]

I like fairy on archa

Also what is churchaludon

[bold geode]

My intentions before were to have Incin outspeed Arma so it can Snarl before MB

[mighty stump]

Well you still explode to EForce like unironically

[bold geode]

Fuck

Curse you low Spdef

My one last dumb idea

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 706: Goodra-Hisui

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Gooey (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/100/110/150/60

Total

600

Base Species

Goodra

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

Oh or Corv could work

[mighty stump]

Hoodra might be okay

Idk

Like with Sap Sipper

[bold geode]

That was the plan

Idk
I feel like Lefties or Scarf something would help

Grimmsnarl? Could be an option too
Foul Play a mfer

I'd slap on TTar tbh but then like what does that do with MausApe

Plus I'd just be chipping myself down

[mighty stump]

Foul Play is pointless

[rustic mountain]

i feel like it indirectly suffers from stuff like dozo. haze or natural checks into that tend to work even better on stuff like hoodra, u spend 3 turns to set up for all ur boosts to just go away and u can jus play all my friends are dead vs it

which was its problem already even before this type of format existed around it

[nocturne holly]

gambit and pult? They cover each others weaknesses very well

[bold geode]

Honestly if Parting Shot wasn't so good for getting my Ursa in I'd try Grimm and Harc

[mighty stump]

I mean

As far as IDBP mons

[bold geode]

See the problem is nothing really resists Ghost and Fighting that's actually viable

Like either I'm taking D Punch or Rage Fist

[solid frigate]

unless you are H-Zoroark

[nocturne holly]

H zoro

it’s good into mausape

[bold geode]

Viable*

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus think stuff like kommo and honestly even prolly chesnaught do its job better w/ stab id

[bold geode]

Like it's good into MausApe sure but it probably suffers into everything else

[rustic mountain]

im gna test h zoroark in the next few days

im unsure how itll fair but i think it has potential

[bold geode]

Yeah but the typing RN is kinda wild for Hoodra

Steel Dragon only weak to Fighting and Ground
So basically RN just Ground

Actually fuck let's look at Horoark

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 571: Zoroark-Hisui

Types

Normal/Ghost

Abilities

Illusion

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/100/60/125/60/110

Total

510

Base Species

Zoroark

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Zoroark-Hisui's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Comeuppance, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, U-turn

Special Moves

Bitter Malice, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Extrasensory, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Night Shade, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Snarl, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Detect, Endure, Fake Tears, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Leer, Memento, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Spite, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zoroark-Hisui.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

yea i get the merits on it, i jus feel its lackluster in general. stuff like arch can actually exert pressure almost immediately

[dapper crag]

Move: Bitter Malice

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

nd then passively thru its ability, u really gta think about wen ur hitting it

[bold geode]

Eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh
Bitter Malice giving Ape boosts though

[rustic mountain]

jus hit it w/ shadow ball

stronger atk anyway

[bold geode]

Sash Wisp Hex

[rustic mountain]

also does well into like gholdengo/dpult cuz u can outspeed w/ scarf (for pult specifically) and just ko. also i think w/ good mons like incin/giraffe/bm ursa and such u can create interesting mind games w/ illusion nd how they cover each others weaknesses naturally

[bold geode]

Does it not outspeed Goldie without it?

[rustic mountain]

3 normal is kinda weird but they dont really overlap weakness too much

[rustic mountain]

thats y i was saying scarf specifically for pult

[bold geode]

Ah

[rustic mountain]

i jus included gholdengo cuz it also can just outspeed and ko it

if whims is 1 of the partners im thinkin specs maybe otherwise if i do like shroom or something itll b scarf

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fuck it, I'll throw a Sash on and just go to town

[rustic mountain]

if whims is there i want sash on that tbh, maybe if its shroom tho idk. i gta test both variants

might not even be good but im curious

[bold geode]

Well Sash I can do Hyper Voice/Shadow Ball/Wisp/Protect and Wisped stuff ain't doing shit to P2

[rustic mountain]

i have water tauros on the team so if they wanna tera p2 they can

[bold geode]

Well I mean for me

[rustic mountain]

i also jus like the self sufficiency of speed control thru scarf or extra damage w/ specs

but sash could be the move

[bold geode]

I feel like I've been in positions where I just BARELY miss winning an endgame with P2
So if something was Wisped I could probably pull it off

[rustic mountain]

im not worried as much w/ protect cuz ur immune to fo. like i get theres other instances u might want it but idk i think the other items offer it a stronger niche

[nocturne holly]

Are you running horoark?

[rustic mountain]

im going to be. gna test it prolly later wen i have time

threw something together last night

[bold geode]

Though my team is more Balance/TR so like
Sash or Scarf help

I can do either prolly

[rustic mountain]

yea im moreso thinking of it in the context how im planning on running it. if sash makes more sense on ur team why not right? im not saying its a bad choice just not something im considering for it atm

[bold geode]

Right but like also for me
Scarf can be considered

[rustic mountain]

wisp certainly offers it interesting utilility in a pretty physically dominant format

[bold geode]

Oh yeah

[rustic mountain]

faster wisp too

[bold geode]

Honestly someone asked me why no one was running Wisp and once again in my VGC career I was like "yeah why is no one running it"

Like I've BARELY seen Wisp

[rustic mountain]

ive run into some incin running it. its just hard to give up its usual 4 moves imo (fo/p shot/blitz and knock off)

trynna think of wat else

oh yea i did play an h zoroark that ran wisp

its around

[bold geode]

Yeah although I feel like people probably think it's forced to run Blitz tbh

Like I still don't think it needs to, hot take

[rustic mountain]

i certainly do, the fire coverage is generally really nice imo

[bold geode]

Yeah it's nice but like also

[rustic mountain]

maybe ur right tho, it prolly is a trap

[dapper crag]

Incineroar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bind, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Covet, Cross Chop, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leech Life, Lick, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Outrage, Pay Day, Power Trip, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Thrash, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Leer, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Protect, Quash, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Incineroar.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

to a certain extent

[bold geode]

Look at this fuckers movepool

[rustic mountain]

im well aware haha

[bold geode]

Wait it knows Toxic?

[rustic mountain]

idt anymore

[bold geode]

What kinda wrestler shit he doin

Like Blitz is real good don't get me wrong

But there's other options

[rustic mountain]

blitz is good but ik wat u mean

[bold geode]

Yeah
Although the other 3 moves I feel are needed

[rustic mountain]

could also opt out of like knock off but idk that added utility is so good

[bold geode]

Nah Knock Off has SO much value

[rustic mountain]

i do think blitz would be the most expendable

[bold geode]

Yeah

I've honestly never missed Blitz

After literally like one team in Reg G, I've just ran Wisp in that slot

Though actually funny enough for my current team I might slap it back on come to think of it cuz like you said the fire coverage for Grass types

Maybe not who knows

[nocturne holly]

Almost all the incin I’ve played have run wisp annoying af
But I also run wisp on incin don’t mind not having blitz

[rustic mountain]

i think in reg g u could afford to not run blitz more

yea quite a few of the incins ive played have wisp but id say i still see more blitz

[bold geode]

Yeah in Reg G the only set I saw consistently run Blitz was AV sets, but we know why there

[rustic mountain]

haha yea

[nocturne holly]

Blitz is nice for the amoonguss and rilla running rampant

[rustic mountain]

nd the tera grass'

[nocturne holly]

Return of Sitrus berry tera grass incin???

[rustic mountain]

thats what im running

sitrus is very very nice

[bold geode]

The thing that urks me though still on Blitz is the fact that iirc Rain is running around like a mfer

[nocturne holly]

No more scary horse 🥶

[bold geode]

Like there you're essentially just down to 3 moves

[rustic mountain]

im running rain on the team im running it on i def get why that might b a reason some1 would opt out of

[nocturne holly]

Are you still running the pult team

[rustic mountain]

yea

ive had the most success w/ the pult team so far

i had a good run w/ kommo but idk it got challenging af to use like middle of day 2. i should revisit it tho

[bold geode]

Yeah
Actually I might run either Horoark or Arch cuz like
My team may be weak to rain
Like sure it boosts Palafin damage and helps Amoongus defensively but I don't got much that wants to take boosted Palafin attacks or Electro Shots

[rustic mountain]

yea it can be a double edged sword

[nocturne holly]

I’m weak to sun 😔

[bold geode]

I also once considered Tera Grass Palafin

[rustic mountain]

im running tera grass

[nocturne holly]

I just don’t know how to play against sun without rain

[nocturne holly]

Yea that’s cool for rilla

[rustic mountain]

its good for shroom too

whims w/ energy ball/volc w/ tera grass giga drain

[bold geode]

Fuck is this the time where we run Tera Grass on half the team again

[nocturne holly]

Real

[rustic mountain]

haha

maybe

most palafins i play vs are tera water, ive seen some other tera grass

[bold geode]

Tera Grass Palafin
Tera Grass P2
Tera Grass Arch if I run it

[nocturne holly]

I just think you get the best value out of tera water

[bold geode]

I mean damage wise yeah
Defensively Grass has it beat

[nocturne holly]

Like the amount of damage done with mystic water and wave crash without tera is insane

[bold geode]

Palafin likes ClAm tbh

[nocturne holly]

I’ve been running mystic water

I ohko most incin with an intim drop

[bold geode]

Baby form doesn't OHKO Incin with Mystic all the time like ClAm does

[mighty stump]

He’s learning

[bold geode]

Have you just been watching this whole time

[nocturne holly]

Baby form ohkoes incin?

[bold geode]

Tera Water yes

[nocturne holly]

Oh shit

[bold geode]

Tera Water Wave Crash without Intim always does iirc

If it don't, then it's definitely a favorable roll

[nocturne holly]

ca might be the sauce

I’m gonna start over on this team

I might run psyspam 🔥

[rustic mountain]

i feel like mystic water and its already ridiculously high atk stat and rain as an option are good enough for me

already have a lot of damage multipliers there

[bold geode]

Actually @mighty stump
I did ClAm Palafin in Reg F
I'm ahead of the times

[rustic mountain]

baby form palafin is underrated. ppl expect the switch t1 too often

[bold geode]

Oh no I'll be aggressive with that mfer if it can help

[rustic mountain]

same

[bold geode]

Actually the 2 plays I do usually

1. Wave Crash baby then swap
   Or 2.
   Lead a lead that can get it back in same turn (usually swap and Parting Shot)

[nocturne holly]

I used to have a tech in reg c where Tera water baby pala jet punch and bax ice shard ohkord mane

[rustic mountain]

i usually hard switch but w/ double u turn and p shot i certainly do and have switched it back in that way. usually i dont want it back in right away tho in most cases

its really valuable, most games id take unnecessary damage that way

id have to basically guarantee im getting my pivots off last

[bold geode]

Usually I do 2 in situations where it don't matter as much.
That one takes judging the game

[rustic mountain]

been wisped and knocked off too many times cuz my incins faster then theres or something

[rustic mountain]

yea for sure

[bold geode]

Cuz my Incin is 84-86 speed and tbh idt I've been outsped yet

[rustic mountain]

i have like 4 speed evs on my incin so im usually surprised wen i outspeed one. i figure they jus dont have any

[nocturne holly]

44 spe evs?

[bold geode]

Honestly only reason I haven't switched off Ghost Incin is cuz of Rilla

[nocturne holly]

I think is 85

[bold geode]

Actually yeah 44

Is 86

[nocturne holly]

oh yea

[rustic mountain]

yea ghost is the most common id say, then grass

[bold geode]

I was thinking Water as an alternative

But Ghost is just like
Ol Reliable tbh

[rustic mountain]

i originally had thought water but grass to me offers better defensive value and vs stuff like shroom. unless ur goggles then grass is kinda meh

[bold geode]

I'm Goggles Ghost still

[nocturne holly]

grass and goggles 🤮

[rustic mountain]

haha yea its a bit overkill i think in that case ud want water or ghost

[nocturne holly]

Im switched to Sitrus grass and it’s been great

[rustic mountain]

i have yet to feel the need to switch off sitrus grass tera

[bold geode]

Ghost Goggles and then like
Rn my shroom is Mental Herb, though I might go Sitrus

[nocturne holly]

No more horse can finally have Sitrus back on stuff

[nocturne holly]

I’m still running Rocky helm
Sitrus might prob be better tbh

[rustic mountain]

i think shroom has a plethora of item choices

herb, sitrus, helmet

[nocturne holly]

Sitrus, helm, herb

[bold geode]

Shroom definitely does have an armory to choose from

Tbh so does Incin

[nocturne holly]

I’ve also seen some cloak

[rustic mountain]

yea cloak too

ive run into a few cloak shroom

i think protect + another item is jus better but to each their own

[nocturne holly]

I can see running cloak if I have smog over protect

[rustic mountain]

yea goggles/sitrus/av being the main mons

could go aguav berry

i jus like sitrus consistency ur usually always getting that value

[rustic mountain]

yea tru

[nocturne holly]

How do non rain teams play into sun 😭

like even the resists do so much damage mitigation is so hard

[rustic mountain]

like torkoal lilligant stuff?

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

havent played vs it much this format and wen i have ive had either rain or sand so it was pretty easy but usually thru resists u remove the lillgant before it gets too much value off. faking out fake out t1 to bait the tera out of lilligant, priority moves etc. if u dont have weather control u have to remove the enablers w/o losing too much resource. if its something ur losing to and u dont have the tools, might be worth taking a look at ur team again

[bold geode]

Honestly not having Protect feels sorta hit or miss

I feel there will usually be like a turn where it's crucial to have Protect

[nocturne holly]

Yea it can be a little rough but if you don’t have like a haze Mon on your team clear smog is so good for dozo

[forest arrow]

hey babe

what you cookin with rn

[bold geode]

Hey babe
I'm just pondering rn

[forest arrow]

Same, I think I want Bax on my team for sure

But just pondering my options as well

Not necessarily snow either, I just like the guy

[bold geode]

Yeah idk what I wanna do for sure
Gotta explore options

[nocturne holly]

Fr

What are y’all using rn

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke

[bold geode]

Wondering when you was gonna do that

[calm gulch]

gotta keep you guessing

[bold geode]

Keep me on my toes

[nocturne holly]

Bro I can’t fucking pilot today

[forest arrow]

today?

lol jk

[bold geode]

Toxic babe funny moments

[forest arrow]

Only sometimes, I feel so bad XD

[nocturne holly]

Yes bruh

I’m playing like shit
It’s like I forgot how to pivot in a day

My leads are also terrible

[forest arrow]

Just take a lil breather, and reevaluate

Your games

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2174240663-8p2h3xvxuk728ymxdyrh758h18idv2gpw

[nocturne holly]

Throw what are you playing with rn

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/eaaf7a6803c21385

this is what i have in the builder atm

https://pokepast.es/69230a01fce6e241

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Cj-1tN-lY&t=1822s

interesting video for anyone who's also ever wondered this question

[forest arrow]

just been messing with mausape tho

[forest arrow]

nice ill give it a watch

[nocturne holly]

How is sylvs damage after throat spray?

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2174249345-vip51hae306knfggf2gltejf2zzr90vpw
wen u lose dpult t1 for nothing and still win

[nocturne holly]

Yo I think I played the same team lol

[nocturne holly]

How do you play into archa I’m using the same 6 and I can’t find my line into it

Annoying ass typing steel and dragon is so good

[dapper crag]

Archaludon [Steel/Dragon]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Electric, Flying, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fire, Ghost, Ice, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[uncut dawn]

im using a trick mimikyu with utility umbrella just to ruin archaludon/rain teams it's so damn funny 😭

[nocturne holly]

I think umbrellaonly affects the holder
So electro shot from archa would still take 1 turn

[dapper crag]

Item: Utility Umbrella

The holder ignores rain- and sun-based effects. Damage and accuracy calculations from attacks used by the holder are affected by rain and sun, but not attacks used against the holder.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[uncut dawn]

yeah, but i’m using trick

so i force the archaludon to hold it

that’s the funny part lmao

[nocturne holly]

Ohhh didn’t see the trick part

[nocturne holly]

What mons are good into mausape

[chrome knot]

h-zoroark

[cyan smelt]

Ursaluna bm and farigiraf

[craggy dagger]

[dawn crown]

what is the reg h rules

[cyan smelt]

No legendaries or paradoxes

Regional dexes only

[wicked moon]

Wait steel types can’t be poisoned

[foggy lodge]

Clefairy + Ursaluna BM is something i've been labbing to counter it

[chrome knot]

its pretty fuckin real

normal/ghost is a crazy typing

[nocturne holly]

H zoroark is cool

Sounds really good with bm ursa

And incin

[cyan smelt]

Is it a bug on showdown that ursaluna bm hyper voice isn't very effective on gholdengo or is it because steel resists normal

[next stump]

steel resists normal

[cyan smelt]

Yeah makes sense

I'm earth powering any gholdengo I see now

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mind's Eye

This Pokemon can hit Ghost types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's accuracy stat stage. This Pokemon ignores a target's evasiveness stat stage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Isn’t it just a better scrappy

[cyan smelt]

Yes

You know, hisuian decidueye might not be a bad idea to deal with archaludon, gholdengo and annihilape

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 479: Rotom

Types

Electric/Ghost

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/50/77/95/77/91

Total

440

Other Formes

Rotom-Heat, Rotom-Wash, Rotom-Frost, Rotom-Fan, Rotom-Mow

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

until you illusion as incin and intimidate doesn’t proc

[nocturne holly]

They cover each others fighting and ghost weakness

[dapper crag]

Ability: Illusion

When this Pokemon switches in, it appears as the last unfainted Pokemon in its party until it takes direct damage from another Pokemon's attack. This Pokemon's actual level and HP are displayed instead of those of the mimicked Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

ur missing the prompt

[nocturne holly]

yea ik that intim won’t proc

[chrome knot]

meaning you reveal ur own illusion lmao

[nocturne holly]

yea but then I just don’t use incin as the last slot

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 571: Zoroark-Hisui

Types

Normal/Ghost

Abilities

Illusion

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/100/60/125/60/110

Total

510

Base Species

Zoroark

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

hmm can either specs or scarf or sash

[dapper crag]

Zoroark-Hisui's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Comeuppance, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, U-turn

Special Moves

Bitter Malice, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Extrasensory, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Night Shade, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Snarl, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Detect, Endure, Fake Tears, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Leer, Memento, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Spite, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zoroark-Hisui.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[cyan smelt]

How you gonna hit the maushold

[chrome knot]

hyper voice…?

[cyan smelt]

True

[chrome knot]

prob bitter malice hyper voice dark pulse flamethrower @ specs

[dapper crag]

Move: Bitter Malice

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

if u watch the replay u can see 1 way i deal w/ it haha. its either dengo set up and navigate it w/ incin + partners or dpult hh tera blast and try and nuke it

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’ve been trying dengo set up but it just start doing so much with e shot

[rustic mountain]

i mean if u watch the replay i basically try and minimize it electro shotting everything and take advantage that it wanted to target the dengo slot down. its not 100% tho arch is prolly the toughest for me to deal w/

[cyan smelt]

What tera is archaludon running

[rustic mountain]

most r fairy i think? im not sure they dont really tera much vs me

[next stump]

how much is +2 shadow ball doing to AV arch?

genuinely curious cause idk

[forest arrow]

i think grass too on the tera for arch

+2 52+ SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 112-133 (56.8 - 67.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 132+ SpA Life Orb Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 156-185 (79.1 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

this is my sets calc as well

[next stump]

is 132+ the second bump?

[forest arrow]

yeah

i still outspeed jolly incin atm

[next stump]

gholdengo chunks arch damn lol

[forest arrow]

yeah pretty wild lol

[nocturne holly]

How much does arch do into dengo

I might be overreacting about electro shot tbh

I have dragon tera so I can resist and just have to capitalize on that turn before they Draco me

[forest arrow]

+1 164+ SpA Archaludon Electro Shot vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Gholdengo: 119-141 (62.9 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

you're faster

[ornate elk]

Gholdengoat

[forest arrow]

thats from vgc calc are people running alot of spa rn? my set has 44+

for arch

[nocturne holly]

What spread are you even using

[forest arrow]

Cloverbells

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 212 HP / 12 Def / 44 SpA / 164 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Body Press

[nocturne holly]

Wbt the dengo one

[pastel blade]

Raikou>raging bolt

[ornate elk]

Gg

[atomic mural]

I dont know about all of you guys but I am very excited for reg H