competitive_discussion

[charred saddle]

with restricteds, u dont really gwt much from setting up. some restricted hits bery hard very wuick no setups

[jade dust]

Before it loses hp or gets KO

[charred saddle]

u just lose so much resource in single turn

[nocturne holly]

Yea it’s just like why would you use it

[charred saddle]

innovation kek

[rustic mountain]

yea ud really get mileage out of it in different ways whether thru burst damage in draco/tbolt on booster set or like e webs and snarls and shit on av

the stuff u wanna set up now are ur restricteds

[nocturne holly]

Ye

[charred saddle]

back on track tho, AV fucking bolt is fucking annoying

spamming snarl/eweb and tanks hits

its fucking annoying

[nocturne holly]

It’s dragon type is so good for it

[rustic mountain]

relax lmao

bruh said its fucking annoying twice

do u hate it or do u hate it?

[jade dust]

The AV is more a support role

[charred saddle]

double it and give it to the next person

[nocturne holly]

I’ll take a guess but I think he hates it

[charred saddle]

still hits like a truck tho

[rustic mountain]

i think if u know its av its a lot easier to navigate

[charred saddle]

base 137 spA

[rustic mountain]

and if its not booster its prolly av

[charred saddle]

it is, its just annoying to play against haha

[rustic mountain]

i mean most good mons are no?

[foggy lodge]

Depends

Some are just to hit hard with tbolt and those things

[rustic mountain]

its supports ur team by koing everything

[charred saddle]

true, i just dont really like playing against bolt personally, the tera varies too makes it hard

[rustic mountain]

i mean fair enough

[charred saddle]

most just go fairy electric, grass is like one of the most obnoxious ive seen

i ran amogus + somethting i forgot. wanted to spore. fucking GRASS

[rustic mountain]

havent seen that much myself

in reg g that is

[charred saddle]

yeah its not as much as fairy electirc just annoying

[rustic mountain]

bo1 shit

[charred saddle]

just that case adds up 2 counter of "i hate you" token

[rustic mountain]

joeux9 running gambit

[jade dust]

Is flora healing affected by protect?

Or goes through protect like coaching

[dense latch]

any calcs i should do while making my torn spread?

[bold geode]

I think someone once used it in Bologna on a Miraidon team

But yeah it's pretty cool

[nocturne holly]

E force csr sounds mad fun

But like you get walled by wg

[bold geode]

Nah
Don't throw in Psychic Terrain immediately

Single target

[balmy glen]

glhf @mighty stump

for OPL

[rustic mountain]

yea thats wat he used it on

got top 4 at vr2 w/ it

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/99ff033cf84b0c57 pain

idk what to play

If i should add Gholdengo, Flutter, Entei or Chi-Yu

I think Koraidon, Whimsi, Raging and Oger are mandatory

It's the last two slots that i don't know what to play

[shadow wind]

Is tera normal or tera ghost more common on Ursaluna Blood Moon?

[balmy glen]

Why tera ghost

Tera normal since it’s just there to apply dmg idrk why you would ever go defensively for Bloodmoon Ursa tbh I mean ig your like grassy seed with calm mind on it or something lul

[mighty stump]

o thank

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to keanufps

[mighty stump]

u2

[little plank]

This is just evil lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169298228

[jade dust]

Normal, you want to get those 1 shots

[shadow wind]

Ok I thought so.

Clearly ladder ain't knowing.

All I've been seeing is tera ghost.

[knotty briar]

Hell yeah!!! Trick room time!

[jade dust]

It took me a lot of resets to get a 0 speed one

[chrome knot]

not to burst the balloon

most calyrex run 31iv with a bit of investment now

[foggy lodge]

is caly ice tw a thing?

I think in early meta some were playing the common comp but with tailwind Pelipper

[mighty stump]

Not really

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/17ea4d5f3f8bb769 I need help with the Ogerpon type and spread, is it better for me to run a bulkier set or a harder hitting spread? I'm split between all of the forms too, any help would be greatly appreciated

[knotty briar]

I personally run this

[charred saddle]

do you have like any reason for the 36 spD tho

if not id rather bump the atk to 156 for the 2nd bump

and like thats so fucking similar to my ogerpon spread

and idk how much relevance for lando I currently since the pick dwindles, but 188 jolly outspeeds max speed lando I and ohkoes LO lando.

[nova topaz]

If I give a pokemon a razor fang, will muli-hit moves have multiple chances for a flinch?
Eg. 2-5x10% on fury attack?

[dapper crag]

Item: Razor Fang

Holder's attacks without a chance to make the target flinch gain a 10% chance to make the target flinch. Evolves Gligar into Gliscor when held and leveled up during the night.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[next stump]

it sounds like it would, but im not sure

[dapper crag]

Is incineroar good in trick room

Cause I got a 0 speed iv brave shiny litten

[next stump]

it’s not bad in trick room but it’s not an oppressive threat

it does pretty much the same thing in or out of trick room, it’s just that under trick room sometimes you can burn pokémon or knock off their item before they can move

[little plank]

I don't think it gets much closer then this lmao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169528704-g09y2locmtb9cibtnczcxj255pobd95pw

[torn parrot]

Okay I swear to god

The smeargle annilape bloodmoon calyrex ice ogerpon water Urshifu team has taken over ladder

The top players are using it and destroying with it

I’ll never find a paste 😔

It’s so annoyingly hard to break

[mighty stump]

I'd be more concerned with CSR

It's definitely the more oppressive of the two

[torn parrot]

Iv seen a Dondozo calyrex shadow team that has been all over ladder as well

Honestly less annoying tho

But that’s probably cus I’m running weezing

[torn parrot]

It’s just when your in front of a calyrex ice and a bloodmoon in trick room

Pray 😔

They have so many tricky ways to get it up these days

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu
Feeling any better?

[mighty stump]

Not really

[torn parrot]

What’s wrong?

[mighty stump]

I've been extremely ill for the last week.

To the point where I missed my local and had to be subbed out of 3 leagues

[torn parrot]

Aw I’m sorry I hope you feel better and get plenty of rest

[mighty stump]

so no mons, no work, no progress, 3x the frustration

[little plank]

I've actually been having no issues at all with CIR, shadow rider is a different story though lol haven't seen a dondozo though

[torn parrot]

That’s so weird iv seen like 4 different people using that team

I dunno where they get it from

But

The ice one I mentioned earlier is EVERYWHERE

I even saw it on cart 😔

It’s so annoying

A total headache

if it didn’t have smeargle it would be manageable

[whole ibex]

Can you do this in S/V as well?

[sweet swallow]

Calyrex isn’t catchable in SV

And calyrex (not the horse) is the one that determines the stats

[molten oasis]

yo how are you feeling today?

[mighty stump]

bad

[molten oasis]

damn, that got you really bad huh

[little plank]

I'm top 1000 on cart right now and 1600 on showdown ladder. I basically just see caly ice and Miradon teams constantly. Miradon is so rough for my team to deal with as it eliminates my main strategy lol

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

tf was that for

[bold geode]

Idk
Cuz I could

[torn parrot]

I feel ya, bad matchups are super stressful

What’s your strat?

[molten oasis]

aren't you playing dozo Sinclair?

[little plank]

Nah I stopped playing it

https://pokepast.es/38b02aa8729c6fd7

[molten oasis]

[little plank]

Gravity hypnosis spam and look for a good time to swap to fluttermane with specs or Groudon with band

[molten oasis]

i looked through it breifly banded groudon???

this is a ladder team at its finest

[little plank]

You would think that doing pretty well in bo3 as well though

[torn parrot]

I feel bad for your opponents 🐇😭

Sounds like fun tho

[molten oasis]

because no one's expecting hypnosis yanmega and banded groudon

and at what elo in bo3 are you at?

[little plank]

Only 1400 but haven't really pushed it yet. Been ironing out the problems.

Prankster taunt on yanmega and weezing are real problems lol

[molten oasis]

well it looks more gimmicky than anything but ok

[little plank]

Here's a battle from earlier

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169550435

[torn parrot]

My friend keeps finding jaysp’s alts on a league server

Every time he gets found out he gets mad 😭

and then makes another alt

It’s so weird

[silver ravine]

That's disgusting. In a good way mind you.

[torn parrot]

i was gonna ask why miraidon gives you trouble but then i felt like a dummy

[nocturne holly]

What restricted are y’all using

[torn parrot]

maybe tailwind would help on yanmega?

those are the ones that throw me off

[torn parrot]

zacian

and zamazenta

moreso zacian right now

[nocturne holly]

Hmmm

[torn parrot]

cus im enjoying a team

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

I’m back to zac but I’m not feeling sd rn

[molten oasis]

best dog

[torn parrot]

the only thing is that missing play rough's makes me sad

[nocturne holly]

I never use play rough

[torn parrot]

i try not to if its not nesssesary

[nocturne holly]

b blade for life 🙏☝️

[little plank]

I originally had tailwind on him, but if i had yanmega and sableye out against urshifu I couldn't deal dmg and usually don't have a safe switch in. So swapped for air slash.

[nocturne holly]

wbt sacred sword

[molten oasis]

you miss out on damage

and threatening dragons

[torn parrot]

what if over bug buzz?

[molten oasis]

which is a major appeal of zac rn imo

[nocturne holly]

No like over sd

[molten oasis]

oh, sure

although i'd probably go 252/252 at that point

the bulk was meant for SD

[nocturne holly]

Yea I might try coaching shifu for that

[little plank]

Fighting resists bug

[torn parrot]

ngl being jolly max speed is really nice at times

[nocturne holly]

Tw over bug buzz I think

[molten oasis]

i only hit 209 jolly

idt zac needs max speed

[nocturne holly]

yea

Do you just outspeed the non max spe csr

[torn parrot]

i win alot of other zacian speed ties and i like that

[molten oasis]

thats fair

[molten oasis]

modest bloodmoon in tw

my zac mirrors are deal with uh

[little plank]

That's not a bad idea, I can try it. Bug buzz has come in clutch sometimes though against caly s but generally isn't needed.

[molten oasis]

[torn parrot]

no i mean if your replaced buzz with tailwind

[little plank]

Yeah imma give it a shot

[torn parrot]

good luck👍 👍

[little plank]

Incineroar has really been slacking on the team though

[molten oasis]

you still on that one team?

[torn parrot]

yeah still on that one team, i might play a new one eventually but i havnt been inspired

[molten oasis]

why

[nocturne holly]

Have you liked amoonguss or rilla with zac

[molten oasis]

wouldn't priority wisp be better than quash

[nocturne holly]

I’ve been playing with rilla and it seems decent

[molten oasis]

cornerstone/rilla are better in that spot

than amoonguss is

[knotty briar]

Wouldn't it be nice if gen 10 allowed us to minimize ivs with bottle caps too

As a trick room stan, that would be awesome

[molten oasis]

you should also optimize your raging bolt spread

and you probably want some bulk on flutter and groudon

[little plank]

With sableye and mega usually in every matchup I bring he gets sat alot as Groupon is almost always the third followed by flutter or bolt. I really only bring him against Miradon matchups as I don't bring sableye or mega there and occasionally CSR if they're running indedee.

[molten oasis]

mk

tbh idk how much i can help with this team

i wouldn't suggest using groudon in general but ig here id just change the bulk

chi yu over incin is something worth exploring

[silver ravine]

Lost to a mono bug team. Going to throw my switch in the trash and add showdown to blocked sites list

[little plank]

Oh I like that actually.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169580978 this was pretty dang clean lol

[torn parrot]

nicely done

[nocturne holly]

Grimmsnarl is mad annoying bo1

I wanna do bo3 but I’m on my phone and it’s too much 😭

[torn parrot]

my zacian outsped a booster speed flutter

but im not sure how

i brought out weezing so im wondering if it removes the boost but doesnt show visually on showdown

[molten oasis]

Idk if it does

I think if the boost happened it stays

[torn parrot]

D:

but its not phsyically possible to outspeed that i think so weird

[molten oasis]

replay?

[torn parrot]

i calced for lowest minimum requrement of booster and it still wasnt enough to underspeed

after 1.5x

[torn parrot]

sure ill send hold on

[torn parrot]

this was a battle that i did last night
i got very confused, i was just tryna tank the hit but i outsped

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169260885-6gdz7523kodtt8s55t2bpi4gfc18q2zpw

oh also that kill on rillaboom was insane

[molten oasis]

why did you tera

you definetly live HHP and he was already targeting weezing

[torn parrot]

it was on impulse tbh i didnt wanna take a possible choice band high horsepower

sloppy

[molten oasis]

fair enough

uh, idk what happened there

[torn parrot]

yeah im not sure

[molten oasis]

maybe showdown glitched

[torn parrot]

maybe an oversight

in coding

[molten oasis]

maybe

[nocturne holly]

Why did you Tera 🤔

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[torn parrot]

impulsive decision cus if it was choce band it could have one shot my zacian

but a sloppy decision

was looking kinda scawy

[molten oasis]

run a calc maybe

see if you lived or not

[torn parrot]

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned: 154-182 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

defintely takes me low

[molten oasis]

that is a major chunk yea

[knotty briar]

Did you calc that in grassy terrain?

[molten oasis]

grassy terrain doesnt make HHP weaker

[little plank]

Maybe he was bulky flutter? Don't see how that would happen otherwise

[knotty briar]

Grassy terrain makes all ground moves weaker last I checked

[torn parrot]

i tried but the minimum requirement for booster speed still oiustpeeds zacian

[foggy lodge]

No

[molten oasis]

where did you get that information?

[torn parrot]

nah just a couple

[foggy lodge]

Only EQ i think

[dapper crag]

Move: Grassy Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Grassy Terrain. During the effect, the power of Grass-type attacks used by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5, and grounded Pokemon have 1/16 of their maximum HP, rounded down, restored at the end of each turn, including the last turn. Camouflage transforms the user into a Grass type, Nature Power becomes Energy Ball, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause sleep. Fails if the current terrain is Grassy Terrain.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

read that

[knotty briar]

Huh, guess I was wrong

[little plank]

Been living a lie lie lmao

[torn parrot]

the flutter would have had to have like a - speed nature and some weird stats

[little plank]

Ugh just had a double PB miss 😫

[torn parrot]

): im sorry

[molten oasis]

this is why we dont use groudon

[little plank]

Gravity usually solves that issue but he had weezing as well soooo

[nocturne holly]

Damn that’s a ton

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169611407 on a roll lmao

[charred saddle]

iirc they did patch around weezing

and i think it does affect proto boost

[solid frigate]

im back from the dead

and i made it

and i am now No.2000+

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c9ef5f5b6b1309a2 thoughts?

[little plank]

How do you forget your own psychic terrain lmao

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

kek

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169673356 sad part is I don't think I was quite out of the woods yet either 😅

[next stump]

1 protect will be hard to pivot

but the 6 on the team seem solid

pilot*

[opal trout]

I ran a similar team and the damage punched a hole in most Pokémon

[shadow wind]

I had a game earlier where I double missed twice in a row.

[nocturne holly]

I can probably do protect on peli and maybe on rilla? I haven’t seen much protect on rilla

[solid frigate]

me with Chi Yu:

[bold geode]

NOVA

[little plank]

Running into all the dozo teams now lol

[solid frigate]

PTSD On reg A

[little plank]

I beat the last one just got destroyed this one though

[solid frigate]

nice

[little plank]

He was choice specs tera ghost lol thought my bolt could take a hit was wrong

[solid frigate]

Specs Tera Ghost Chi Yu?

[little plank]

Caly

[solid frigate]

Ohhh

[rustic mountain]

id put av on rilla, booster bolt, then have protect on bolt and maybe protect over hh on peli

gives half ur team protect

nd u can pivot the others either manually w/ fwg synergy or u turn/p shot pivots

[nocturne holly]

I really like av on bolt on this

It’s such a good switch into like everything

[rustic mountain]

jus a suggestion

[little plank]

Yeah I'm not sure I can beat the caly maushold weezing dozogiri team lol

[molten oasis]

hru

[little plank]

Jesus it's the same 2 teams at 1700

[solid frigate]

lol

[molten oasis]

i also got these

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’ll def try it tho

[little plank]

It's a combo of all 4 things I dislike facing in 1 team lol

Follow me, sleep immunity, trick room, and weezing

[bold geode]

Got em

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Nom

How is Monke well
I nom cuz hungry cuz they push lunch back an hour

[violet kindle]

Hi

[violet kindle]

Poor zacian got nerfed

[bold geode]

@molten oasis did you know that for every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes?

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

I know crazy right

[solid frigate]

still pretty good tho

[molten oasis]

its anti meta

[solid frigate]

yeah like Kyurem White

[violet kindle]

Is pory z or 2 good still as stall

[molten oasis]

yea but kyurem needs too much support to work rn

[violet kindle]

So beautiful

[solid frigate]

its not a Stall mon

[violet kindle]

Doesn’t it like thunder wave or smth like that

[solid frigate]

Its a Trick Room Mon-

Trick Room,Ice Beam Tri Attack and Protect

[violet kindle]

I seen it only be thinderwave the hell

[solid frigate]

thunder Wave idk cuz like its a tr mon

[bold geode]

Well P2 can sorta be stall? But it's not that good rn

[violet kindle]

In singles I seen it thunderwave me like hell

[solid frigate]

Its Doubles

[violet kindle]

Its happened with z with me in single s

[bold geode]

Stall ain't even good in a VGC format rn
Too much offense

[violet kindle]

I run a good pagos team

[solid frigate]

Show me.

[violet kindle]

Ok

[solid frigate]

oh yeam Monke i got into Master Ball now

[violet kindle]

I use a rental

[solid frigate]

bruh

[violet kindle]

Its one u made

[solid frigate]

Thats Clinically Oudated

[violet kindle]

Its good tho ngl

[bold geode]

[violet kindle]

I use it and win a lot

[molten oasis]

what is with the cresselia's

[violet kindle]

Idk

[solid frigate]

thats Past me

[violet kindle]

But helpimg hand calm mind star storm is wild

[solid frigate]

Im using this now

AV Bolt+Whimsicott is strictly better

[bold geode]

Cresselia mid

[solid frigate]

exactly

[solid frigate]

Something is wrong with that Pagos,But i fixed it

[violet kindle]

What?

[solid frigate]

its too passive

[violet kindle]

I like calm minding with tera shell and then tera

[molten oasis]

Cress should be replaced

[violet kindle]

Also the tornadus item. I got taunted and taunted his tornadus

[solid frigate]

and i am not put my real Pagos Team in Rentals cuz why the hell not plus its 1 month away from Reg H

[solid frigate]

Encore Whims funny

[solid frigate]

Its my Old Team.

[molten oasis]

Not talking to you

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

lol

[solid frigate]

not the meme again lol

also yeah the only thing i can see Cress work its with Dialga but that is still mid

[solid frigate]

i forfeited my Pagos TR mode of More Offensive approach

[solid frigate]

LMAO IMMA MAX OUT HIM IN MASTERS EX

[little plank]

Welp top 400 on showdown with this wonky team I take it as a W taking a break lmao

I switched incin to chi yu

Loving the idea, have it as tera grass with choice scarf and tera blast to get rid one of my most annoying threats urshifu lol

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu js funny

[cerulean ivy]

i need smth in ru tier to replace a physically bulky with some attk donphan

[little plank]

So I've determined 90% of teams over 1700 is Miradon / CSR / CIR lol played almost 100 battles today and that's my determining factor lmao

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

They’re the top 3 imo

[little plank]

Zamazenta fell hard I haven't seen a single one all day

[ornate elk]

Is competitive pokemon hard?

[little plank]

I like to compare pokemon to chess, easy to learn extremely hard to master.

[molten oasis]

It’s hard to get genuinely good at yes

Easy to learn tho

[molten oasis]

Idt zama was ever top 3

[little plank]

Not so much top 3 but I just haven't seen him at all today. I've even seen kyurum black.

[molten oasis]

Zama’s weird rn

I think zama is really good but it’s probably not what people are eyeing for worlds

[foggy lodge]

Lacks of spread

[molten oasis]

Caly’s and miraidon I think are what people are playing, and Pagos

[foggy lodge]

And honestly that's his biggest problem but it's not horrible, it can perfectly work without spread

[bold geode]

Lemme cope

[molten oasis]

Zac works without it

But also spread damage is strong for a reason

[molten oasis]

[quick fox]

Hey looking for some help recently been using this feels really good but think something is missing but not sure any help would be appreciated thanks

[molten oasis]

No idt I will

[bold geode]

You lost against 3 CSR, no good girl

[foggy lodge]

Is still very good, it won 2 regionals for a reason

[molten oasis]

[ornate elk]

I like the ods of that

[foggy lodge]

Just for future help, share it via pokepaste, the left corner thing

Some changes i would make uhh

Tera grass on Hands and tera electric on Miraidon

Also just make the Miraidon 252 252 4

[little plank]

Honestly my biggest struggle with Miradon teams is when they have firagiraf lol

[molten oasis]

Counter argument

I’m learning how to beat it

So ha

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[molten oasis]

Yuh huh

[solid frigate]

Guh Huh

[silver ravine]

At the 1700 level do people still rock specs on Miradon? I know it's the go to, but I hate being locked into a move. Even more so when the opposing mons are immune to it and I can't switch out.

[solid frigate]

Its the Most Consistent Set for them and normally you just Volt Switch out of the bad Matchup

or Hard Switch

[silver ravine]

Probably it's just me piloting the team badly to not have volt or hard switch as an option.

[solid frigate]

trust Me Volt Switch is more important that E Drift

[silver ravine]

I have a bad habit of spamming discharge or draco metor

[solid frigate]

they arent as Important as Volt switch,I rarely use Draco anyway

[torn parrot]

I still wanna play kyurem

I havnt seen a kyurem team in a hot minute

[solid frigate]

Drago has one

you can try that out

[torn parrot]

Sounds like fun

[solid frigate]

have fun with jt

[molten oasis]

You like the same mons I do it seems

[next stump]

I see mostly specs, the occasional life orb

[little plank]

I ran into a covert cloak earlier guy was like 1800+ almost had him till I tried to use fake out and it didn't work lol

[rustic mountain]

won a match b4 on 2hp

dude had dark pulse torn did like 65% to my cir t1

[molten oasis]

That’s wack

[bold geode]

You're wack

[molten oasis]

Why are you McDonald’s

[torn parrot]

i was watching my friend's ladder game and a guy used regular zama over crowned zamazenta so he could put roselie berry on it

and that broke my brain

why would you make yourself weak to fairies so you could give yourself a roselie berry

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

The brain is not braining

[rustic mountain]

still won but yea caught me off guard lmao i didnt think i was under threat at alll

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-john-cena-confused-gif-20874329

[rustic mountain]

frfr

[molten oasis]

Live reaction when dark pulse torn

[plain drum]

Holy fucking shit it's McDonald's

[bold geode]

Dw about it

[molten oasis]

Why are you McDonald’s

Tell me plz

[bold geode]

Dw about it

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

Just tell me bro

[rustic mountain]

some joke from reports that ppl jumped on the bandwagon for

[bold geode]

Wha
No

[molten oasis]

[rain ridge]

https://pokepast.es/c9ed56b7b4218d49

I'm having a blast with this team so far. But I feel like i definitely lack Speed Control, and I have got punished a fair time on the ladder for that. Any idea?

Was thinking about either going for Electro Web on Bolt or Icy Wind on Ninetails.

I have more issues with stuff that is faster than me than Trick Room.

[torn parrot]

the cobalion is funny

[rain ridge]

Yes. It's a good pseudo Zamanzata that can shutdown Miraidon

Found the build on Victory Road, it was used in a tournament

[chrome knot]

what the hell

is that .

[hot lynx]

hello

https://pokepast.es/d12fc429ae86d681 just built up this team got about 0 compettive knowledge i just watch funny world champ wolfe any suggestions would be nice

[rain ridge]

Yeah... the Cobalion was a fun gimmick

But it just don't work at all. Wonder how it went to top 16 of Japan Nationnals...

Drops in one hit to Draco

[chrome knot]

because japan nationals is best of 1 closed team sheets

[rain ridge]

Ooooooh

[chrome knot]

lmao

[rain ridge]

Good to know

Guess I can now slot in something that could give me speed control and make some better matchups agains some threats

[molten oasis]

Really?

[chrome knot]

yes

[molten oasis]

That explains why blizzard kyogre worked lol

[rain ridge]

Whimsicott
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Encore
• Moonblast
• Fake Tears

[molten oasis]

You’d never know

Maybe that’s why they don’t rely on incin

It’s CTS so they just wanna beat the opponent quickly I suppose

[molten oasis]

I’m tired of all of those words

Especially sick of sigma and skibidi toilet cuz it’s just unbelievably annoying

[chrome knot]

competitive discussion

[bold geode]

Cut your pills

[chrome knot]

shut up

ear worm

[rain ridge]

Meh

[bold geode]

Hey
I'm not the only one who goes off topic just saying

Pot calling the kettle black

[chrome knot]

me when i post brain rot directed to nobody

[rain ridge]

Not worth acknowledging.

Even if I really like Whimsicott, i'm not sure it's a good idea to run 2 support in a squad of 4...

[bold geode]

I mean wait
We talking VGC? You'd be fine tbh

[rain ridge]

It's a fun twist, now that I think about it. I found a random shiny Cotonee earlier this week while running around...

I might build it and try some game with it.

[bold geode]

Yeah not s horrible idea

[hot lynx]

is choice band/scarf good with urshifu dark? im thinking about using either one of them

[rain ridge]

I would go scarf

[hot lynx]

okay thanks

[rain ridge]

To try to nuke something

Band you might be slower than something else and be vaporized

[hot lynx]

i got jolly nature on it too is that good?

[rain ridge]

Should be good yes

[hot lynx]

alright

im tryna build a team since i can finally play competitive

cus my switch used to overheat like a crap ton

but i fixed it

https://pokepast.es/3c104bbee2b877de this is what its looking like so far

any suggestions would be nice

[rain ridge]

Protect on Zamanzanta?

[hot lynx]

what do i replace for protect?

[rain ridge]

Also, no Protect on a Choice Scarf.

Why run Body Slam?

[hot lynx]

paralyze

you want me to replace that?

[rain ridge]

I would.

Zam's job is to KO stuff.

[hot lynx]

what about urshifu

what do i replace protect with

[rain ridge]

I would say U-Turn

[hot lynx]

k

[molten oasis]

As much as it hurts for me to say drop a9

[rain ridge]

To get it out if in a bad posiition

[hot lynx]

k

[molten oasis]

and dnite, and milotic

For like, pelipper, chien pao, and if you really wants screens Grimmsnarl or just run incin

[rain ridge]

Ninetails's good for Ice Combos like Kyurem or Blizzard spam.

But I admit, I don't see the point here.

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s the ONLY time a9 is good

[rain ridge]

The big first step is to ask yourself, how is my time going against the other Restricted.

[molten oasis]

Zama wants Tera grass or water and heavy slam over body press and protect

[rain ridge]

Mostly the Calyrexes, Miraidon and Kyogre?

[molten oasis]

Oops

[hot lynx]

man this is literally 5d chess 😭

[molten oasis]

Over body slam not body press

[molten oasis]

It’s what the game is

[hot lynx]

i would put on a calyrex for my team but i don't got sw/sh dlc only sv

[rain ridge]

I think Grass is better than Water here.

It wall Miraidon, while water is weak to it

And you just don't Tera against Caly Ice

[dense latch]

should I give some bulk to ogerpon cornerstone or just run 252 Atk 252 Speed?

[rain ridge]

I wonder what EV i should go for Whim...

Bulk or Attack?

[molten oasis]

Depends

But usually they’re max att max spE

[molten oasis]

What item, usually they’re sash mostly checking

[rain ridge]

Going for Sash

[molten oasis]

You can only use 1 restricted

[rain ridge]

Since my a9 already has Covert

[molten oasis]

Max max the

Get rid of a9 dude

[rain ridge]

It's a Kyurem Blizzard spam team

[molten oasis]

Unless you’re running kyurem which is the only exception

Okay then

[dense latch]

I have Clef for redirection too so I don't think I need the bulk, just wanted a second opinion

[molten oasis]

Can I see a full paste? I play with Kyurem

[molten oasis]

Still max max unless there’s something specific you want to live

[rain ridge]

https://pokepast.es/c9ed56b7b4218d49

I dropped the Funny Cobalion for Whim

[molten oasis]

…

[dense latch]

bet, thanks for the help

[gentle crag]

eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

You need freeze dry

I’d suggest blizzard freeze dry and fusion flare

[hot lynx]

alright real quick question, when it comes to team building does it revolve mostly around the strengths of the legendaries or does it revolve around accoutning for their weaknesses cus im stuck in 1d chess while yall in whole 5d chess

[molten oasis]

Drop earth power

[rain ridge]

What is the target for Freeze Dry?

[molten oasis]

Your restricted is usually the thing you want to build around

[molten oasis]

Hits water types

Single target ice move so you don’t get walled by pelipper

[hot lynx]

my question is does it revolve around accounting for weaknesses that it has or does it account to make it stronger or is it more of depends

[molten oasis]

Both

[rain ridge]

Waters are getting smashed by Bolt and Rillaboom so far.

[molten oasis]

You build to make your restricted the strongest it can be

[rain ridge]

While Earth Power prevent Incineroar to wall me

[molten oasis]

Still matters man

What if bolt died

What if rilla died

You want freeze dry trust me

[rain ridge]

No harm trying it I guess

[molten oasis]

Uhm, Tera water on a9

Don’t run snowscape

Moonblast over snowscape

If you’re running whims chi yu looks better over gambit

Fire type helps with sun teams (sorta) and you boost kyurems damage output

[rain ridge]

Can it switch into Caly Shadow?

That's the main purpose of Gambit right now

[molten oasis]

It’s a dark type wdyt?

[rain ridge]

Not the same bulk.

[hot lynx]

so for zamazenta because thats what im choosing to use should i make my team revolve around keeping zamazenta alive or weakening the opponets while zamazenta sets up idk which is better

[molten oasis]

If gambit was supposed to be a switchin for CSR it NEEDS av

And also with chi Yu you just lead it into CSR

immediately threaten the slot

If they lead ursh you have an answer with kyurem/whimsi

[rain ridge]

Tailwind + Dark Pulse on turn 1 I guess?

[molten oasis]

Dark pulse if they Tera reposition and heat wave later

You’ll be running scarf/specs in this situation

I’ve messed with gambit on snow it’s alright, helps with CSR for sure but that’s pretty much it

And for the sake of my sanity I’m not playing it rn

It’s very hard to build around

[molten oasis]

Usually you want to keep your restricted alive so, that

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/e45352210c64cdd5 just got done with this before i saw it but if i added items and evs could it work

[molten oasis]

Heavy slam over iron head

[dense latch]

use munchstats to find the most used items and moves on pokemon

beacuse your moves are suboptimal

[molten oasis]

If you’re gonna run scarf close combat (in general for shifu) over drain punch and sucker punch or poison jab over brick break

Tera ghost on whimsi and sash as the item, max spa max spE timid nature

Adamant nature in shifu

[dense latch]

you don't need both parting shot and u-turn on incin, keep parting shot

[ornate elk]

Stupid qiestion any good froslass support build existing?

[molten oasis]

Don’t run it

It’s trash

[dense latch]

knock off and fake out are basically must haves on incineroar, fill the rest with will-o-wisp, taunt, or flare blitz

[molten oasis]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 156 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature

• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
• Will-O-Wisp
• Fake Out

[dense latch]

@hot lynx https://munchstats.com/ you can find sets here

[molten oasis]

Use this

[dense latch]

use them as a starting point then shape as you go

[hot lynx]

alright thanks

[gentle crag]

reshiram69420 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[molten oasis]

Well, use it for items

[hot lynx]

im looking like this tryna learn all of this for competitive:

https://tenor.com/view/brain-blast-jimmy-neutron-jimbo-gif-26286685

[dense latch]

lol

[molten oasis]

Big step

Takes time to improve and learn, it’s normal

[dense latch]

you can also run rental teams to get used to the format

[molten oasis]

You can ask for ev spreads and other general advice here

[rain ridge]

Chi-Yu actually basically make CIR easy to beat

[hot lynx]

yeah thats why i started here cus idk anything

[ornate elk]

How do you even get started in pokemon competitive

[rain ridge]

Barely can hit into the Ice types and it cleans at the end

[hot lynx]

the only competitive knowledge i have is from wolfey vgc

[ornate elk]

I have none

I am a blank canvas waiting to learn

[hot lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/paint-painting-lets-paint-few-happy-trees-bob-ross-gif-11656328

[dense latch]

look for some "introduction to vgc" videos

[hot lynx]

oh yeah what about glimmora and amoonguss

[dense latch]

for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDqanFxuyQY&ab_channel=ShortWolfey

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/a5acdf6da60eb3da this is what i got now

[dense latch]

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
Bold Nature

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

try something like this on amoonguss

[rain ridge]

I would say, the best way is to actually just watch tournament videos.

They do upload all the tournaments on Youtube.

Just to get the gist of it.

[ornate elk]

I sadly dont understand anything

[rain ridge]

Then I would go for a rental team to try it then later try making your own teams

[hot lynx]

if i had to guess for ev's max out hp and defense and put the last four in special defense

[dense latch]

and this is a good spread for incin

[hot lynx]

yeah i got that on there

i had forgot to copy the right link tho

so i used the old on earlier

[dense latch]

alright

what's the new one? so I don't suggest stuff you've changed

[dense latch]

you can work on the spreads later

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/19edcc3e7b9d5a08 here it is

im pretty sure i should change whimsicott to a focus sash

just forgot to do it

[dense latch]

yeah

I don't think glimmora's all too good on this team

[hot lynx]

lemme try to use my 2 braincells that i have gained from this to think of one

[dense latch]

you want some more offense on this team, there's 4 support mons atm

maybe something like flutter mane or raging bolt?

[hot lynx]

my idea was to support zamazenta by debuffing the opponets

[rain ridge]

Daaaaamn

[hot lynx]

which is why i wanted glimmora cus its ability makes it spawn toxic spikes upon death

[rain ridge]

CSR one shotted by Chi-Yu's Snarl?

[dense latch]

raging bolt/flutter mane can support zamazenta with icy wind or electroweb

[hot lynx]

i'll use flutter mane then cus thats the one i actually got

[molten oasis]

thats normal what

[dense latch]

stage hazards aren't that good in vgc because the matches are much shorter than singles

[hot lynx]

okay nice to know

[molten oasis]

only good as byproducts

[hot lynx]

so something like hisui samurott could be good

[molten oasis]

ie set up through an ability or an attack, no manual setting up

well, no cuz hisu samu sucks in vgc

[rain ridge]

I don't expect that from a 55 BP move.

[hot lynx]

oh 😦

why are all my favorites bad 😭

https://tenor.com/view/spunchbob-sad-gif-23118841

[molten oasis]

thats the nature of the game

[rain ridge]

It's food for Miraidon sadly

[molten oasis]

favorites arent usually good

[ornate elk]

My favorite is froslass ofc she is bad

[molten oasis]

unless your favorite is something relevant, they are usually bad

[dense latch]

my favorite pokemon is gliscor

so yeah

[hot lynx]

i have a bunch of favorites

[ornate elk]

Il make her viable i just need thousand year of knowledhe >:(

[molten oasis]

like

[hot lynx]

one is very obvious

[molten oasis]

well, resh sucks lol

[hot lynx]

my point exactly

[molten oasis]

my restricted of choice is also my favorite pokemon

(i love the sword doggo)

[dense latch]

i used to be able to use my favorite restricted in swsh

but groudon became mid

[molten oasis]

yep

[hot lynx]

all my favorites suck, virizion sucks, alolan 9 tales sucks, milotic sucks, everythiung sucks 😠

[ornate elk]

That from the
No im not calling yoh a good boy meme
You missed
Play rough 4 time

[molten oasis]

a

[rain ridge]

Riiiight

[molten oasis]

a9 is good for blizzard spam

[dense latch]

i wouldn't say a-ninetales sucks

[hot lynx]

in my case yes

[rain ridge]

Now Terapagos is having a field day with my team

[molten oasis]

thats it

[molten oasis]

yuh

[ornate elk]

Im so good

[molten oasis]

rare zacian art that i can make into emojis

so, yea

[ornate elk]

It a beautiful meme

[hot lynx]

oh yeah

i need flutter mane build

[molten oasis]

what item

[hot lynx]

idk

[molten oasis]

1 sec

[hot lynx]

do i use booster energy?

[dense latch]

booster probably

you alr have sash

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Icy Wind

protect over gleam

can also run twave over shadow ball/icy wind

[hot lynx]

twave?

[molten oasis]

thunder wave

[hot lynx]

oh

alright then

https://pokepast.es/d46c53d989383efb this is what we're cooking with

[molten oasis]

that looks really passive ngl

[dense latch]

do you think a more offensive spread would work better given the support on the team?

[molten oasis]

uhm

i mean, idt you need flutter

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/8eb3003e6a0c3b5a i found this team online

you could do this but use whim instead of porygon 2

[hot lynx]

can;t

im on violet i only got touch traded raging bolt

[dense latch]

oh damn

nvm then

[hot lynx]

well

could i possibly use chi yu or chien pao?

they're purdee good right?

[molten oasis]

pao works well

[torn parrot]

Play an easy training wheels team in my opinion

[dense latch]

this isn't much of an issue but maybe you could have some special attackers too so you aren't walled by intimdate, burns and such

[hot lynx]

should i use chi yu for that?

but then there would be type overlap

hold up lemme pull out my pokedex

would gholdengo be a good option?

it not only avoids status but im pretty sure its a special attacker too

or should i use something else

[dense latch]

if I'm being honest I'm not really used to zamazenta teams so I can't help that much aside from basic sets and such

what i do recommend is to play some games in showdown with the team and recognize what teams/mons you struggle with

[hot lynx]

i think my best option is gholdengo

alright

[molten oasis]

why?

[hot lynx]

why what

[molten oasis]

why dengo

[rain ridge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169946004

[dense latch]

i'd say keep chien pao, play and learn from there

[molten oasis]

lots of koraidons on ladder today huh

[rain ridge]

That's the kind of game I like

[hot lynx]

well not only does it not type overlap it also has pretty good movepool its typing is good its ability is really good and avoids the problem he mentioned earlier

now there could be something in the other dexes i don't know about but i haven't completed them yet so i got zero clue

[rain ridge]

CIR was basically useless in that game

[dense latch]

he barely got any damage off those glacial lances lmao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169225687 i don't think this game could've gone any better for me

[molten oasis]

great lost to dozo ting lu CSR twice

this sucks

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/09cdfb234abcec89 alright this look good now?

[molten oasis]

tera dark on shifu

[hot lynx]

k

[molten oasis]

you dont need white herb on dengo

go metal coal

[hot lynx]

i didn't know what item to give it

[molten oasis]

you have a galring fire weakness

[dense latch]

did you already choose dark urshifu over water?

[hot lynx]

yeah

if i got the dlc then i could also get water

but im poor got like 3 dollars in change rn

[dense latch]

ig not having the dlc kinda limits your options

but you can always play showdown

until you find a team you think is worth building in the actual game

[hot lynx]

😦

stupid game, makes me look bad!

[molten oasis]

wtf format did you pick

[hot lynx]

national dex 4v4 doubles

[dense latch]

VGC Regulation G

[molten oasis]

ah, yea thats why

[dense latch]

pick that

[hot lynx]

wheres that

i may be blind but i don't see that

[dense latch]

that’s weird

can i see your entire showdown screen?

[molten oasis]

thats odd

[dense latch]

fake website i think

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com

[hot lynx]

yeah it was a fake

different urls

[rain ridge]

Why do I keep clicking Fake Out when that stupid Giraf is there...

[dense latch]

i tried putting pokemon to sleep inside electric terrain twice in a row i feel you lmao

[hot lynx]

yep it says its good!

we're back to cooking

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-white-meme-breaking-bad-cooking-jesse-we-need-to-cook-gif-25990838

[molten oasis]

im fighting sturdy power herb archaludon in rain

and i lost because of it

wtf

[dense latch]

power herb archaludon in rain sounds insane

[molten oasis]

its dumb

[dense latch]

there’s almost no reason to not run av on archaludon

[molten oasis]

thats what im saying

[dense latch]

i meant insane in a bad way btw

[molten oasis]

figured after the next comment

[hot lynx]

now i just signed up for pokemon showdown

gonna do my first battle 😳

i won 😄

[dense latch]

congrats!

[hot lynx]

thanks!

i am now 2 for 1 in terms of wins against losses

i also got a replay of the second win i just got

[dense latch]

let's see it

[hot lynx]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2169961802

here it is

im krazymydiamond

[dense latch]

pretty good

i’d also recommend you learn which pokemon outspeed which pokemon

[cyan smelt]

You probably could have ohkoed the roaring moon without all those IDs

[dense latch]

bc you didn’t really need that tailwind

the iron defenses were kinda overkill but the opponent was just letting you set up so

[hot lynx]

i just got another win rn

this team is going crazy

3/1

holy crap i just clutched the heck out of this win

4 wins to one loss

[solid frigate]

what

[cyan smelt]

hi torrent

[shadow wind]

Why not use Reshiram considering your name?

[solid frigate]

Still pretty darn Eepy

[azure ether]

Meme from our local league

[charred saddle]

whats origin pulse?

i only know orimiss pulse

[solid frigate]

kek

[cyan smelt]

i wonder if there's a ban on calling yourself skibidi on showdown

[solid frigate]

it happened in the chatrooms before and i was disgusted

Tho they did not ban them

[cyan smelt]

I saw someone with a username that was skibidigyatter69

[solid frigate]

tf

[cyan smelt]

Low ladder

I need to start playing again

[solid frigate]

f

[mighty stump]

You know for once I can say I am slowly disliking Reg G

[solid frigate]

at least we are getting close to the end of it

[signal pagoda]

hi

like how do i make ev spreads my pokémon are good but low af in no

hp *

0/252/4/0/0/252 like this

[solid frigate]

which Pokemon is those EVs For

[signal pagoda]

urisfu

i have another 5 i want to do

i’m confused like

[solid frigate]

depends on the Set,Scarf and Sash Urshifu are using these EVs

[signal pagoda]

oh i’m using choice band

btw ty so much for helping !

[solid frigate]

thats Ok i guess

[signal pagoda]

like do i use feathers

do increase idk…

or mint

[solid frigate]

usually i wont use Feathers if you are making Max Max Min for EVs

Mints are for Natures

[signal pagoda]

i want my pokémon ready for vgc

[solid frigate]

can you show me the team?

preferably Pokepaste

[signal pagoda]

how

[knotty mirage]

I have question can tera water choice banded surging strike one shot caly ice ?

[solid frigate]

i honestly Not sure cuz i never run it,Lemme check

252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 102-126 (49.2 - 60.8%) -- approx. 99.6% chance to 2HKO

not even close

[signal pagoda]

ah

[solid frigate]

lemme also add the Tera Water

[signal pagoda]

can i send a photo of my team

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Choice Band Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 138-168 (66.6 - 81.1%) -- approx. 2HKO

[knotty mirage]

Really want to try something out for in game ladder

[solid frigate]

i mean i guess

[solid frigate]

what are you cookin

[knotty mirage]

So might need rain then got it

[solid frigate]

Rain Team,With Peli or Ogre?

or Torn

[knotty mirage]

I'm not sure yet will see

[solid frigate]

if you want Manual Rain then Torn is better cuz you can use Rain Dance while Koraidon or Groudon Switch in

[knotty mirage]

Noted

[signal pagoda]

i sent u a dm

[solid frigate]

Must Be Hard Switch in tho,Cuz Uturn is mot Priorty

That team is a doozy-

[knotty mirage]

Maybe tail wind could fix that yeah i'm just going to slot torn

[solid frigate]

Yeah its fine,Thats why Tornshifu is that Oppressive

Bulky Torn or Speedy Torn?

[knotty mirage]

Probably bulky covert cloak tbh it's nice to have immunity to fake out

[solid frigate]

dont forget the Tera Dark

[next stump]

good morning y’all

[knotty mirage]

Got it

[solid frigate]

Morning Dillon

[knotty mirage]

Morning

[chrome knot]

next to pao kills

[bold geode]

Not the Band Shifu

[chrome knot]

i have it in my builder too

[solid frigate]

moment

also we dont talk about Glacial Lance Smeragle i just encountered

[little plank]

Never thought I'd say this but I honestly can't wait for double restricted to show up lol

[solid frigate]

Single Restricteds Sucks lmao

[little plank]

I am battling the same 3 teams every match. Dozogiri CSR, farigaraf CIR, and whims farigaraf Maridon lol

That first one feels impossible to beat, atleast with my team that weezing is frustrating.

Everyone once in awhile I run into a kyogre or terapagos team but few and far between

[next stump]

it'll be a nice change of pace but if the format is a year long like people expect, we'll probably feel the same come November/December

[mighty stump]

oh god

Even I'm kinda tired of it

Which is saying something

[little plank]

I might just have to switch to one of those 3 teams to actually enjoy the game. Because the CSR and CIR I just can't be beat. The Mirador is like a 25% chance if I get lucky and they don't swap out the Mirador turn one and I can get a quash PB Como onto the Miradon.

I hate auto correct lmao

[solid frigate]

im just gonna deal with it if i gonna be honest

[solid frigate]

Ah yes my favourite electric bike

mirador

[chrome knot]

id rather have a year of 2restricted than more 1restricted or gimmick format

[molten oasis]

You’re tired of the format?

Which is understandable this has been a really long format

[solid frigate]

Its been like 3 months including Pre Reg G

1 more left ;-;

[molten oasis]

Sort of

We can expect an announcement of the next format soon

So for everyone not going to worlds, and besides watching worlds, we’ll have reg h on showdown probably

[solid frigate]

yeah

[bold geode]

Probably had Imprison

[solid frigate]

Imprison,Spore and idk they havent use Fake out

[timber falcon]

Should also have volt switch

[solid frigate]

idk never shown it

[jade dust]

Farigiraf has been less consistent setting trick room than cress, it gets 1 shoot by both urshifus, chi yu, miraidon, koraidon and more

[molten oasis]

boo hoo

dont use cress, learn how to use fari better

how are you getting 1 shot by rapid strike

fari should pretty safely be able to eat surging strikes, and its expected to die to chi yu its a SE move from chi yu

[jade dust]

Cuz they lead fari as well and urshifu, can’t fake out the urshifu and they do helping hand

[molten oasis]

miraidon just has obsurd damage output

[timber falcon]

Depends on the team no?

[molten oasis]

dont

you shouldn't be using cress

[timber falcon]

Once again, doesn’t it depend on the team

[jade dust]

^

[molten oasis]

alright OTOT you help him

[timber falcon]

Idk what he wants help with

Just saying

[molten oasis]

you're so convinced on it being team dependent when you want fari 99% of the time

its a calyrex ice rider team

with no screens, which is the exception for cress imo

[timber falcon]

Farig is better there id say

On caly ice

[solid frigate]

Fari,Indeedee and Porygon2 heh

the only thing i saw Cress work its with Dialga and even that is mid

[timber falcon]

Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

that was last reg

its not the same merrit as it once was

[timber falcon]

Ik

[jade dust]

Where do I put screens here

[molten oasis]

no no screens

[solid frigate]

GUYS HE FINALLY DROPPED IT

[molten oasis]

you're gonna learn how to use farigiraf

[timber falcon]

Why is cir running seed bomb

[jade dust]

Yeah and farigiraf gets 1 shoot

[molten oasis]

and give calyex trick room for the love of god

[solid frigate]

We talked about it a long time as well

[molten oasis]

you're not leading it next to redirection/incin?

[solid frigate]

who cares when Fari is goated

[next stump]

that's one of the downsides of not having TR on Calyrex, by having Farig as your only TR setter you are hampering your ability to get TR up safely

[molten oasis]

this genuinely seems like a piloting issue/ev spread or item issue

[solid frigate]

kek

[next stump]

there are some games where you dont want Farig, and those should be games you lean on calyrex to get TR up

[molten oasis]

fari doesnt need mental herb imo throat spray or sitrus is better

[jade dust]

I do but they often tera ghost or double target fari

[molten oasis]

then lead electabuzz

or better yet you could replace it with amoonguss to get a fire water grass core

[solid frigate]

just git gud on Piloting