yep
#competitive_discussion
fringe oar
knotty briar
And what I showed was the doubles team that got me to master ball tier
fringe oar
I'm assuming Tornadus and urshifu water are on it
nope
I sent the pokepaste
torn doesn't work well
gentle delta
today I learned thatif we ever have the mythical format in SV that you should not underestimate Band Arceus
charred saddle
tera normal choice band e speed?
timber falcon
today I learned thatif we ever have the mythical format in SV that you should no...
farigiraff 
'
gentle delta
farigiraff <:mochige:1196954088462631082> '
in a format where you're allowed 6 restricteds Farig is kinda underwhelming, I had it on my team but it never felt safe to bring
Caly-I though can survive a +2 Life Orb Tera Normal Extremespeed đ
timber falcon
Which format are you talking about
timber falcon
in a format where you're allowed 6 restricteds Farig is kinda underwhelming, I h...
Farigs ability should be quite high value even in said circumstances though. Iâm assuming this is VGC in late SV
jade dust
Why the fuck are some idiots running grass caly s with giga drain
Let that fucking bullshit fall asleep
gentle delta
Let that fucking bullshit fall asleep
Literally its good
gentle delta
Which format are you talking about
I hosted a tournament of Series 13 tournament in SV
So mythicals + no restricted cap
I lost in semis, using CIR, Farig, Hands, Mirai, Magearna and Gambit Ape
timber falcon
I hosted a tournament of Series 13 tournament in SV
So mythicals + no restrict...
Ohhh ok
gentle delta
No lol
Second place, if you look at top cut the incin lost to ting lu team
Incin also was extremely mid in this format
I think if I did it again Id go Indeedee over Farig and give Caly a diff tera but otherwise the team felt busted
timber falcon
Second place, if you look at top cut the incin lost to ting lu team
I see
gentle delta
Everyone in the tournament was psyched about my 6, KodakZaq needed two ridiculously timed crits game 3 to win
I literally just hosted this to have an excuse to use Magearna
timber falcon
Lmao fair enough
gentle delta
As TR Queen I wanted rare footage of the best TR mon in existence
craggy dagger
knotty briar
As TR Queen I wanted rare footage of the best TR mon in existence
Magearna is a trick room mon?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
base 65 is a nice speed for trick room
knotty briar
Well damn
craggy dagger
nods
knotty briar
I've just been using it for raids
gentle delta
Its not legal in VGC so theres not a lot you can do with it
craggy dagger
i mean we canât really use mythicals in vgc but
gentle delta
But thats why I made a format for it and hosted a tour
craggy dagger
for custom battles it works as a trick room mon
gentle delta
There was a mythical format in SwSh so I reprised the format for SV
knotty briar
But thats why I made a format for it and hosted a tour
Ayo I'd love to participate in one if you're planning one in the future
craggy dagger
There was a mythical format in SwSh so I reprised the format for SV
itâll be back eventually for sv
knotty briar
Might have to alter my current tr team if I participate in a future one
craggy dagger
they always do one âfuck it we let everything allowedâ format each gen
knotty briar
Oh god
Anything goes....
craggy dagger
it wonât be for that long and i doubt that itâll be for official vgc format
knotty briar
Getting gen 8 nat dex ag flashbacks...
Zacian and caly s EVERYWHERE
Make it stop...
Make the horses and dogs go away...
bold geode
No
Zamazenta
gentle delta
it wonât be for that long and i doubt that itâll be for official vgc format
Fun fact s13 had one regional in Taiwan
No mythicals were in top cut
bold geode
LMFAO
gentle delta
#1 was 5 ubers + Regieleki which was basically an uber
gentle delta
Ayo I'd love to participate in one if you're planning one in the future
Ill be hosting more of this format and then other like custom formats on limitless over time
rustic mountain
they always do one âfuck it we let everything allowedâ format each gen
they did it once, in swsh
never before that were mythicals legal in vgc or could u use more then the 2 cap of restricteds
gentle delta
also itâs good to see you back <:LappHappy:639997954085617690>
I never super left just not always active in this server but girlie you know for you my dms are always open đ«¶
jade dust
How do you get around taunt if Farigiraf is your trick room setter?
Do you run mental herb even though it isnât that bulky like cresselia?
Not all taunt users are pranksters and itâs common to use taunt in flutter mate or some other mon like urshifu
nocturne holly
Not all taunt users are pranksters and itâs common to use taunt in flutter mate ...
Yea I just use mental herb lol
jade dust
Can it take hits like cress can?
mighty stump
Usually you lead with Fake Out/Redirection anyways so itâs pretty moot
gentle delta
How do you get around taunt if Farigiraf is your trick room setter?
Follow Me, Final Gambit, your own faster Taunt
Possibilities are endless
A good trick room player is never scared of taunt or imprison
jade dust
Well I use Mieshao for fake out and wide guard but annhilape with scarf could be a good fit
Final gambit, coaching and rage fist
mighty stump
Youâre not using Rage Fist if youâre Scarfed
gentle delta
Final gambit, coaching and rage fist
Gambit U Turn Shadow Claw Coaching
jade dust
Ah I use cress for my trick room setter and sheâs consistently but fake out and taunt together are annoying. If they fake out and taunt twice
If they donât have Farigiraf I fake out their incin or rilla and that way I avoid that play
brave dune
https://pokepast.es/235e96a5f3512fa5
can someone let me know how i can improve this team. ive never had a dondozo team before so im basing it off what ive been going against
gentle delta
Ah I use cress for my trick room setter and sheâs consistently but fake out and ...
Cress bad
jade dust
Cress bad
Cress has the unique property to keep the team healthy with lunar blessing
I donât have to worry about burn
Or sleep
foggy lodge
Does it block priority
jade dust
No, but removing burn while healing is very good
foggy lodge
Idk why you would care about burn since the only that cares by that is your Caly Ice
jade dust
Yeah and itâs my main carry obviously
I was tempted to use fire but water is a lot more popular now cuz it survives to both urshifus
And isnât weak to other caly ice using high horsepower
gentle delta
Cress has the unique property to keep the team healthy with lunar blessing
Cress bad, these uses for it arenât enough in a high power format
Cress hasnt been good since Reg D - Early Reg E
foggy lodge
tbh i think Cress is only worth with Ursaluna xd
jade dust
Cress bad, these uses for it arenât enough in a high power format
Sheâs one of the most tanky mons if not the tankiest, tera electric removes all her weaknesses and has consistent healing. 1/4 hp recovery to her teammate and herself plus removing status is very valuable
And lives forever
foggy lodge
also the lunar blessing wouldn't help you to stop spore or sleep since that Cress doesn't have safety
They can just spore the Cress xd
jade dust
Yeah but they have to pick to sore caly ice or cress
I wanted to use safety googles but taunt is very common
gentle delta
Cress is too passive while providing no gain to your game plan
jade dust
You canât avoid flutter mate taunt
gentle delta
Farig disrupting fake out and sucker is significantly more valuable
Like take it from someone who has tested every variant of Trick Room 100s of times
Cress is pretty much objectively bad without room for argument
You may be thinking youâre being successful with it, but I promise you your games would be going consistently better with Farig, Clefairy or even Bruxish
Youâre welcome to disagree but I would stay away from Cress, its a trap at best.
jade dust
Like take it from someone who has tested every variant of Trick Room 100s of tim...
I mean yeah I wouldnât use cress outside of trick room. Outside of trick room I use Farigiraf
gentle delta
Im saying IN TRICK ROOM you should use any of those 3 over Cress, Cress is garbage
jade dust
Cress is very passive but has useful moves like helping hand and lunar blessing is unique of cress
gentle delta
You're actively hindering yourself using Cress, period.
jade dust
Also all supports are very passive
Not just cress
Moonblast is still enough to OHKO urshifu dark
gentle delta
Also all supports are very passive
Cress is TOO passive
Farigiraf does an important job by simply sitting there doing nothing. Cress doesn't
jade dust
Both learn helping hand
gentle delta
Helping Hand + Healing does not make a good support
gentle delta
Both learn helping hand
im not talking Helping Hand,I don't even run it on my farig currently
Armor Tail is one of the best abilities in the game and you are kneecapping yourself not running it.
gentle delta
You don't need to
You play better so you don't get wisped to begin with, or just consider the fact that at +2 you cancel out the burn.
To play Trick Room well you have to play proactively, not reactively.
Cress is reactive, Farig is proactive.
jade dust
Yes I know you have 5 turns to win or deal as much damage as you can
But slowly wearing your team down is a counter to trick room as well
So when it ends your team is low hp and lost speed advantage
gentle delta
But slowly wearing your team down is a counter to trick room as well
Not it isn't. Because if you're doing it right they aren't getting hits in.
jade dust
But I like the healing cuz it allows for a 2nd trick room since cress kept my team healthy
rustic mountain
if u didnt use cress and played well enough under the first tr, in most cases u wouldnt even need a 2nd tr
gentle delta
^^ correct
rustic mountain
i think ur willfully ignoring a lot of info here. its cool to use cress but trynna justify it the way u are jus isnt it
jade dust
Games are longer yes I know that is part of cress being slow and tanky
gentle delta
And the longer your games get the more losing you're doing.
jade dust
I was really excited for lunar blessing when I saw what the effect was, and I was looking forward to add cress in my team
gentle delta
I'm used to be the person mods @ for Trick Room stuff
Tofu would straight up go "Prog knows more than I do on this"
I live and breathe Trick Room lol, and I will advocate for weird tech where it fits. I hit Top 10 Masterball with Bruxish last month. But Cress is undeniably in its worst place its been in in Gen 9 right now.
There is ZERO reason to run Cress
If you want the healing, go for Clefairy or Sinistcha
If you want bulky support + HH, go for Farig
rustic mountain
I was really excited for lunar blessing when I saw what the effect was, and I wa...
again, np using cress but its just disingenuous to say cress is actually elevating ur team/archetype. its actually hurting it
gentle delta
Cress does nothing to contribute to your game plan.
jade dust
I'm used to be the person mods @ for Trick Room stuff
Tofu would straight up g...
Top 10? Good job
gentle delta
If you wanna be cute be cute but you're creating false straw man arguments to justify it, and thats actively unhelpful to someone who may be less informed who sees this conversation.
jade dust
foggy lodge
Also the team seems to instalose against Caly Shadow xd
jade dust
Iâm just top 500
rustic mountain
so?
rustic mountain
damn why
gentle delta
to make a point that I know what im talking about with TR
cyan smelt
I highly doubt they're top 500
gentle delta
and I will advocate for cute mons where they fit
gentle delta
but Cress literally does not have a fit in any variant of TR in Reg G
rustic mountain
ur point is supported by the point not the rank. ppl run wack shit all the time
and get good results w. it. they still admit the mons they use are subpar
gentle delta
ur point is supported by the point not the rank. ppl run wack shit all the time
no so Im saying I will support using fringe mons if they have a role, I got that top 10 with Bruxish
but Cress is not that, it has NO role atm
theres not a single thing it does to justify running it
Like I love Cresselia a shit ton as a mon, its on my shortlist for future tattoos
jade dust
and get good results w. it. they still admit the mons they use are subpar
Yeah and I never said cress was better than fari, all I said is I like lunar blessing and how tanky cress is
gentle delta
it makes me sad its not good after it was so insane in Reg D
rustic mountain
i think its lame bringing in rank generally. i think i did it once on a guy pissing me off otherwise its arbitrary. shrekers played like 300 games to get top 500 i wouldnt exactly call that impressive
gentle delta
I highly doubt they're top 500
I mean he posted a screenshot of it
cyan smelt
It was outside top 500
gentle delta
Anyway Im done trying to help you.
You can lead a horse to water and what not.
jade dust
Then I adjusted my team a little
gentle delta
Lmao
rustic mountain
its quality of games is my point. a lot of ppl can play 200+ games and eventually get into the top 500 if they can 1 or 2 favorable win streaks. its not a justifiable claim to say hey this mon is good/this team is good
hence why the rank stuff can be weak
gentle delta
I also only do cart ladder for content
I stream a different TR team every week, and a LOT of them are garbage for the sake of being garbage
rustic mountain
same thing for saying hey this is my rank i know this archetype. like dude if u know it u know it ur explanation/arguments will support that
gentle delta
the bruxish team was part of a pride month thing, it was a "Trans rights" team where it was 2 blue, 2 white and 2 pink mons
peaked at 8 with it
jade dust
I stream a different TR team every week, and a LOT of them are garbage for the s...
Alright then tell me, do you deal with Amoonguss?
gentle delta
the amount of people that werent ready for Crabominable was great
gentle delta
Alright then tell me, do you deal with Amoonguss?
follow me grass types/safety goggles, electabuzz, alcremie, plenty of things
protecting once and reversing your own tr
jade dust
protecting once and reversing your own tr
I have done that before lmao
Alcremie how?
I thought she was bad
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
Sweet veil I think
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
jade dust
Oh sweet veil
jade dust
I thought aroma veil was better to deal with taunt
molten oasis
For tr, stopping amoonguss is really valuable since itâs one of the things that can slow your momentum down
When itâs up
rustic mountain
for cir i jus dont even set it up w/ shroom on their team. they always bring it
gentle delta
smeargle jus yoinked its 1 good move and that was kinda it
Nah they fill different roles depending on the other 4
molten oasis
Glacial lance go brr
rustic mountain
yep haha
rustic mountain
Nah they fill different roles depending on the other 4
i havent seen alcremie have 1 good result
ladder warrior stuff discluded
molten oasis
Idt I have either
rustic mountain
its jus not good
rustic mountain
talk about a mon talking up a slot lol
gentle delta
talk about a mon talking up a slot lol
A passive ability that advances your game plan does more than Cress
gentle delta
i havent seen alcremie have 1 good result
Results-oriented thinking is a trap in itself
rustic mountain
A passive ability that advances your game plan does more than Cress
the mon sucks tho u can jus play better and have a better mon there
gentle delta
Alcremie is on my short list for a lot of my worlds testing rn
gentle delta
the mon sucks tho u can jus play better and have a better mon there
Couldnât be more wrong lol
molten oasis
the mon sucks tho u can jus play better and have a better mon there
Could also apply that to anything
rustic mountain
right cuz ur the tr expert lmao
chrome knot
Results-oriented thinking is a trap in itself
dodging the question also doesnt help(!)
gentle delta
right cuz ur the tr expert lmao
Im not saying look at me im right about Alcremie
But theres a lot of other prominent TR players who think highly of it next to Caly.
Its bulkier than Smeargle, and turning sleep off so one of TRs greatest counters does nothing is worth just sitting there
It performs the same kind of role as Farig, providing a useful passive buff without needing to click q move
rustic mountain
Could also apply that to anything
generally u want ur mons to give u the most options possible, idt the 2 passive abilities it gives u really offers much value outside running mental herb/fake out for the taunt or sleep stuff and not have a shit mon on ur team
molten oasis
Fair enough ig
gentle delta
Alcremie is typically used on Indeedee CIR teams
Sweet Veil + Terrain stops the two main TR counters so you just run wild
rustic mountain
giraffe is pretty self explanatory and actually has decent stats/typing into the format
gentle delta
Besides, my point about Cress was never about how much its used or has won.
Lack of usage doesnât mean a mon is bad
rustic mountain
well no but doesnt mean its favorable into the meta
gentle delta
so with no redirection available what is stopping
P Terrain blocks Fake Out, Sweet Veil blocks spore
You dont lead with Alcremie its in the back
rustic mountain
ive already explained outside of low useage in and of itself why idont think alcremie is good enough to justify using. ur the one harping on that 1 specific thing
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
chrome knot
P Terrain blocks Fake Out, Sweet Veil blocks spore
these things do not come from ogerpon
jade dust
Alcremie is typically used on Indeedee CIR teams
Sweet Veil + Terrain stops th...
Indeedee instead of fari?
chrome knot
ogerpon hit cir in the head
gentle delta
ogerpon hit cir in the head
Not when tr is up lol
chrome knot
game doesnt start with it up
plus what is stopping coaching lance t1 from opponent
assuming its just indeedee cir
gentle delta
game doesnt start with it up
Never said it did
chrome knot
ur already behind if ur just clicking tr
if ur banking on just indeedee to set it while cir does something ur sat infront of +1+1 cir and idt indeedee lives? it might
gentle delta
If you say so
Generalizing it to one matchup is kinda strawman
I wouldnt lead caly indeedee against that
chrome knot
other than cake that can be replaced by a dog, indeedee & cir i have no idea what ur on
gentle delta
I was genuinely trying to help explain why Cress isnât worth running
Didnt expect to get dogged on for alternatives I suggested
chrome knot
speaking of dogâŠ
craggy dagger
meow-?
chrome knot
dog not cat
molten oasis
Nice
chrome knot
bingo board stuff
craggy dagger
chrome knot
Nihilego, Blacephalon, both pieces to ndw & another UB i forgor
molten oasis
Still donât have fini yet?
craggy dagger
she got fini as i was getting ready to join
chrome knot
zygarde
chrome knot
thanks
molten oasis
Now hopefully next gen you get to use it
jade dust
If you say so
Generalizing it to one matchup is kinda strawman
I wouldnt lead...
What do you use for wide guard in trick room?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
gentle delta
What do you use for wide guard in trick room?
Gallade, Araquanid, Mienshao, Hitmontop
chrome knot
Now hopefully next gen you get to use it
pretty good odds
gentle delta
Generally in that order of viability
chrome knot
i dont see them cutting the coolest set of pokemon ever
molten oasis
Peli seems to be the big one meta wise
molten oasis
i dont see them cutting the coolest set of pokemon ever
I want to use Koko
gentle delta
Peli seems to be the big one meta wise
For tr nah
chrome knot
Pelipper is the peoples champ for balance
molten oasis
For tr nah
We referring to hard tr?
gentle delta
Yeah it absolutely os
gentle delta
We referring to hard tr?
Those peli fwg caly teams arent tr
molten oasis
If itâs just balance
chrome knot
thinkin abt how lunala balance can be kinda heat for reg h
gentle delta
They run the move tr yes but theyâre not tr teams
molten oasis
Ah
chrome knot
i dont even run peli rn
gentle delta
Lunala is also a good wide guard mon but being your restricted makes it not really part of same convo
But next Reg Lunala + Dialga will go hard as a tr core
molten oasis
Iâm excited for next reg
And then everything with be CSR Zama and Iâll just dip lol
gentle delta
For my mythical tour I literally took my planned Reg H team and swapped Blood Moon for Magearna
molten oasis
(Ik thatâs not how that works)
gentle delta
And then everything with be CSR Zama and Iâll just dip lol
Never understood this mentally tbh
gentle delta
Either you like the game or you dont and if you dip that quicklyit sounds like you dont
gentle delta
CSR is healthy for the meta by being a counter to Mirai
The circle is sorta mirai beats cir cir beats csr csr beats mirai
molten oasis
It is mostly a I havenât figured out how to beat CSR but, I still hate it
gentle delta
What are you using that struggles
molten oasis
Lemme grab a paste, I use Zac and have been for a while
molten oasis
chrome knot
cir rilla makes mirai the easiest mu on planet earth
molten oasis
Iâm probably changing stuff around, rilla over amoonguss is something Iâm gonna go test
And maybe lando over drago
I never got around to liking the main guys
Or just, sorry i never did
I think the calyâs are boring miraidon doesnât really fit my playstyle terapagos was kinda eh
jade dust
Pelipper isnât good for hard trick room, I experimented with it
nocturne holly
Iâm probably changing stuff around, rilla over amoonguss is something Iâm gonna ...
Rilla is so good with zac
jade dust
The rain doesnât benefit you
molten oasis
Rilla is so good with zac
?
Ok was gonna say
Also eh, I think amoonguss is also nice
Zac doesnt appreciate tr
gentle delta
cir rilla makes mirai the easiest mu on planet earth
Its still itâs hardest matchup of the top restricteds
jade dust
I like Mieshao cuz it counters incineroar
gentle delta
Not âhardâ but compared to csr and pagos being free
molten oasis
Checks but ok
chrome knot
csr is just weird to navigate
nocturne holly
Csr is fine
chrome knot
terapagos ez if not a weird setup variant & its a lil tricky incin is slower
molten oasis
Nothing is skilless
gentle delta
Pagos is only hard for csr if its the like cloak chi + specs pagos variants
molten oasis
There are things that are easier and harder to pilot
gentle delta
Nothing is skilless
This
chrome knot
claiming something as skilless shows me your skill issue tbh
i do it too, however i am also bad at game so its okay
molten oasis
A suggestion that popped up for my team was wide guard but idk if it fits anywhere so I havenât experimented with it
molten oasis
i do it too, however i am also bad at game so its okay<:GiggleHehe:6742349457234...
Youâre not bad at the game lol
jade dust
claiming something as skilless shows me your skill issue tbh
Itâs definitely one of the easiest
craggy dagger
thereâs no such thing as skill less-
only skill issues-
craggy dagger
Nova on the other hand <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
no no-
go on
chrome knot
Nova on the other hand <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
B tier gimmick character
craggy dagger
i do stupid shit for a reason-
idc about winning i want to mess with my opponents 
molten oasis
I like my dog
craggy dagger
B tier gimmick character<:GiggleHehe:674234945723432980>
chrome knot
@gentle delta worst cir mu by far is the abomination jesse made for solarflare
nocturne holly
the only skilless thing is me
molten oasis
Huh?
craggy dagger
i mean itâs not like iâll ever properly compete so might as well as have fun with stupid pokemon
gentle delta
<@394232736258195457> worst cir mu by far is the abomination jesse made for sola...
What was it
chrome knot
ill send paste
molten oasis
i mean itâs not like iâll ever properly compete so might as well as have fun wit...
Fair enough although regionals are super fun
craggy dagger
looks fun but iâll never have the time to go
molten oasis
You donât have a weekend to go?
craggy dagger
worlds always happens during summer, end of season is like-
near the start of summer, season starts after school starts and university busy
molten oasis
Eh ig itâs more complicated than that
Planning flights and hotels takes time as well
craggy dagger
well no when trying to fit my schedule-
as well as planning trips and flights
itâs near impossible-
chrome knot
@craggy dagger get involved with vancouver locals
craggy dagger
noh
nocturne holly
https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199
What mod
molten oasis
What mod
Itâs a big bunch of mods
180ish
Terribly optimized tho
Java is so bad lol
Itâs called ultimate Minecraft, I forgot who it was made by
nocturne holly
Java is so bad lol
Java>>bedrock
molten oasis
No
Not for playing with friends/modding
Itâs a very simple way of coding and it causes the game to be very laggy
I believe Java edition uses JavaScript
gentle delta
What other partners you use? <@394232736258195457>
Depends on what im trying to do with the team
jade dust
Depends on what im trying to do with the team
Well I like having checks for multiple important threads. Like zama, kyogre, mira, caly s and mirror caly ice
molten oasis
Do you want me to dm you about the CSR stuff Ruby? Never got back to me on that
gentle delta
I more mean like what partners are best is dependent on your sweepers and how hard your tr is
gentle delta
Do you want me to dm you about the CSR stuff Ruby? Never got back to me on that
Sorry life got busy yeah dm me and ill take a look when I can
jade dust
I more mean like what partners are best is dependent on your sweepers and how ha...
Well with caly ice obviously and I was using skeledirge
And either raging bolt, primarina or empoleon
I wish empoleon had a water move besides hydropump
But raging bolt is a questionable choice with indeedee
mystic hatch
Anyone got a monotype fire team I could inspire from
gentle delta
I wish empoleon had a water move besides hydropump
Unironically Water Pledge
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
I had it in my head that was 60 base lol
gentle delta
It also doesnât get redirected by storm drain which is neato
bold geode
swamp <:smile1:1012550709939540009>
Rainbow
jade dust
Rainbow, serene grace and ancient power
nocturne holly
swamp <:smile1:1012550709939540009>
Have you used it like in sv with like fire or grass pledge
it sounds so cool
Secondary effects are crazyyyy
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
bold geode
@molten oasis how does Kyurem White do into Zamazenta
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> how does Kyurem White do into Zamazenta
Ass
Forced to Tera wide guard is a major issue youâre slower and you get easily bursted down
Yw
bold geode
<:CuteZacian:1266946664262799462>
You're not welcome
molten oasis
bold geode
Lmao
bold geode
Yeah I was just asking cuz I'm with someone who don't get it 
molten oasis
lol
tulip peak
Would Ting-Lu's heavy slam do anything to Fairy Tera Calyrex Shadow
bold geode
Decent bit I assume
molten oasis
Probably not a ton but it would probably hit harder than the now resisted dark move
tulip peak
this is probably a stupid question but is there a solid counter xD
besides y'know having one yourself or wide guard
molten oasis
No
knotty mirage
I have question can fairy tera blast from 68 attack EV ting lu one shot koraidon ?
craggy dagger
time to calc
molten oasis
not javaScript đ
The skull emoji was unnecessary
Could have just told me
This generation is not funny
Itâs just annoying
patent marsh
problem with java edition it still uses a lot of code from back when notch still owned minecraft
molten oasis
Yea
patent marsh
and the devs still refuse to accept the modding community constantly showing them to fix the game
patent marsh
No wonder when I play modded I lag everytime I move 2 feet
the problem also stems from the game being single core reliant
molten oasis
Yep
patent marsh
they did lightly multi thread it but it only uses like 2 threads
molten oasis
That sounds about right and it sucks
patent marsh
having like 12th gen i9 or better usually can run minecraft pretty well
molten oasis
having like 12th gen i9 or better usually can run minecraft pretty well
Not modded
Normal Minecraft is great
I have mods and it lags, but also I have a laptop and weaker ram so itâs mostly that
patent marsh
I have mods and it lags, but also I have a laptop and weaker ram so itâs mostly ...
lol
I can play all the mods without noticeable lag besides actual bugs in Minedcraft
molten oasis
nice
chrome knot
modded minecraftđđđ
modded terrariađđđ
molten oasis
modded minecraftđđđ
modded terrariađđđ
Iâm playing with friends
And also i donât currently understand the terraria hype
I couldnât get into it
chrome knot
its just minecraft if it were good
molten oasis
Theyâre not really the same game, similar concepts I suppose but not the same game
Although it looks like terraria has more to do in vanilla which is nice
chrome knot
one is a sandbox and one is a linear progression game
ehhhh both are technically sandbox games
one just cant be beat in 10 minutes of playing
molten oasis
Fair enough
patent marsh
one just cant be beat in 10 minutes of playing<:GiggleHehe:674234945723432980>
technically you never beat minecraft
ender dragon if anything is just the start of playing minecraft 
chrome knot
there is no end goal
in the context of linear progression
that is technically the games ending
molten oasis
the mod i have has a ton of bosses
in minecraft
so ig the goal for me is beating all the bosses
https://pokepast.es/05f50845fb62e31b thoughts on lando over drago? torn has protect over taunt.
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570
Heeeeyyy
Could I get your thoughts on my team plz
bold geode
<:CuteZacian:1266946664262799462>
No
molten oasis
I need to get the third Zac emoji
bold geode
What is that Rilla speed stat for
molten oasis
Uh, 115
It used to outspeed, and kinda still does outspeed most rillas, that Iâve fought
bold geode
You can go 52 EVs if you just wanna outspeed Scarf Ursh in TW
molten oasis
Hereâs the part 2 of that picture now I have 4 zacian emojis
molten oasis
You can go 52 EVs if you just wanna outspeed Scarf Ursh in TW
Do I just then dump the rest into attack then?
bold geode
Yeah or a little more bulk đ€·ââïž
bold geode
Yeah could work
molten oasis
Why isnât my rilla natured on my phone lol
bold geode
Actually eeeeehhhhh
molten oasis
bold geode
Oh nvm Scarf is available
bold geode
Yeah
You'll outspeed the bikes without TW
Sure little less damage since no Life Orb but
molten oasis
Eh
bold geode
Since I can still see Koraidon being an issue here
molten oasis
Iâve played with it before I only missed the damage on sludge bomb
molten oasis
Since I can still see Koraidon being an issue here
It took me some time and constant repositioning to get a match with it done
Whimsi was really annoying
bold geode
Like Koraidon rn just sorta looks like Rain Dance and hope they don't CYCLE the bike (I'll be here all day)
molten oasis
It pretty much is lol
bold geode
He didn't catch the joke thank God
bold geode
FUCK
molten oasis
Iâm not stupid lol
bold geode
molten oasis
You also put it in all caps like how would I not see it lol
bold geode
Honestly I felt like Wolfe in that moment when he makes all those shit puns
molten oasis
Lmao
chrome knot
exploding you with my mind rn @bold geode
bold geode
exploding you with my mind rn <@817628066020065280>
EXPLODES PANCAKES WITH MIND
bold geode
modern creek
The stat judging thing in Pokémon home shows IVs, right?
modern creek
Right
In other news I just got wonder boxed a shiny iron valiant with "best" in all stats
mighty stump
Sounds hacked
modern creek
Naive nature
Im wondering if it is
I'll have to get it checked when I get the chance
If it's hacked that blows
Wait can you even get perfect IVs on an iron valiant?
next stump
yeah but it's a really low chance
modern creek
yeah but it's a really low chance
And a shiny one would be EVEN lower
sweet swallow
Hmm seems like I don't have perms for that
But practically impossible. Better off winning the lottery at that point.
sweet swallow
1/32^6
You have to think, since these were never distributed as raids (afaik) and it has 0 guaranteed IVs, it's indeed this chance
modern creek
its also shiny, yeah
sweet swallow
Def hacked sadly :c
modern creek
womp womp, time for release then
bold geode
Sounds hacked
Tofu quick question
How does one translate the Japanese reports again
nocturne holly
How do I decide taunt or wisp on incin
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
jade dust
Alright my team is ready for next season
A more optimal trick room team
Tho might replace raging bolt, Idk
Maybe for ursaluna blood moon or rillaboom, not sure yet
next stump
Do u guys have a monotype fairy or fire team
singles or doubles?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
mystic hatch
singles or doubles?
Leaning towards singles
next stump
I donât play that format so I canât really add much input, but hopefully someone comes along who can
not a ton of singles players in chat
mystic hatch
I donât play that format so I canât really add much input, but hopefully someone...
It can be doubles tho
next stump
are you playing the in game ladder? or against other monotype players?
mystic hatch
are you playing the in game ladder? or against other monotype players?
Ladder
next stump
well you probably want to pick Fire since there isnât a restricted legendary fairy type (that I can think of in the game)
and without a restricted, youâre going to get bent over every game
Unless you allow something Teraâing into Fairy as a Fairy type
Sidenote - Victory Road Top 16 just published
Not a single Caly-Ice⊠the matchup against CSR does feel like itâs favoring CSR more than ever
mystic hatch
well you probably want to pick Fire since there isnât a restricted legendary fai...
There's zacian-crowned but it got nerfed
foggy lodge
It's not bad
I think there was an actual monotype fairy team in a regional lol
It ended in last place of the whole tournament but there is a team xd
mystic hatch
XD
rustic mountain
i remember some mono water team doing really well in some online swsh tour years ago
mystic hatch
i remember some mono water team doing really well in some online swsh tour years...
Did it do well
foggy lodge
mighty stump
Sidenote - Victory Road Top 16 just published
By the logic of the last Victory Road we should be saying CIR is bad and washed
Kek
Hearthflame really having a breakout performance again
next stump
oh shit lol I forgot about Zacian
Fire gives you Incineroar which is probably strong enough to carry most of the team
bold geode
By the logic of the last Victory Road we should be saying CIR is bad and washed
Lmao it's literally all CSR and Miraidon aside from one Zama and one Pagos
next stump
Fairy would probably be like Whims/Zacian/Flutter/etc.
bold geode
Let's face it
CSR probably winning Worlds unless someone finds a really solid way to fuck it over
Cuz like I feel like if CSR were to hit the part of the cycle where it's not as good again that it would've been done by now
foggy lodge
i think the only problem of Koraidon is that it doesn't has a spread move but it's not a horrible thing
bold geode
Yeah
I think Terapagos might do something? I mean it got so many second placements so
bold geode
I'm betting on either horse
Zamazenta doesn't have as much chance as them tbh
But I can't pick cuz like
I would pick CIR cuz it's been consistent throughout meanwhile CSR had a bit of a low then a high now
But the thing is like it's high rn is very high and it's low wasn't necessarily that bad
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/d7bfbe58ad0c8270 thoughts? Probably gonna switch around rilla and bolts items and see what I like
foggy lodge
I think you lack of speed control
bold geode
Like even in CSR's low point, it was still a viable pick
foggy lodge
CSR's lowest point was because the whole meta was about beating CSR
bold geode
Yeah
It was literally restricted Dondozo
Wasn't that great when everyone and they mama had plenty of answers
But then came back when the answers died down some
nocturne holly
People are gonna be really prepared for csr
Like everyoneâs gonna have a check for it
And the csr checks donât even shut it down completely
bold geode
One thing idk about
@mighty stump sorry to bother ya btw
What you think about the CSR using Psychic moves again
Or actually
@next stump wbu
bold geode
But like y'know the one thing I can't figure out if it's good or not
The E Force Calys going around now
mystic hatch
I'm dum
bold geode
Like it's the one thing I've fought recently that feels like is the most emphasized on being skill expressive
Like you'd think that the Psyspam Caly would be bad and I've fought players where I've just walled it with WG but like
I've also fought players who will delay the terrain to make it single target or just work around it and it's like
I can't sit down and say "oh this is good" or "this is horrible"
rustic mountain
i was using e force csr for awhile
only variant of it ive played actually in reg g
cerulean ivy
is physical or special regidrago better
next stump
is physical or special regidrago better
special
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
foggy lodge
Yeh special, all its good moves are special and you don't suffer for intimidate
next stump
I think it is pretty solid, Iâve been seeing more and more ghost tera more offensive Caly teams
bold geode
I think it is pretty solid, Iâve been seeing more and more ghost tera more offen...
Seen some Ghost, some Fairy
I saw one go Dark
cerulean ivy
i ment regidrago mb
bold geode
Idk if I've seen a Giga Drain Caly S yet
I have seen Caly Ice with Seed Bomb
mystic hatch
Does the ruination mons count as legendarys
bold geode
Does the ruination mons count as legendarys
foggy lodge
Yes but not restricteds
bold geode
Lemme guess
Don't want to use legendaries
Idk what format you're playing, but if it's the current VGC format, you will not do well with no legendaries tbh
craggy dagger
Lemme guess
Don't want to use legendaries
i was summoned?
craggy dagger
ok and
next stump
top 8 results
mighty stump
top 8 results
Finals is a CSR mirror lmao
foggy lodge
Twitter
bold geode
Thing is it's not even statistically weird
Like it makes sense
Game is at a fast pace rn
Seen more faster paced Calys at least myself
That's good
Miraidon which is fast is good
mighty stump
https://x.com/VelocityVGC/status/1817608987803890011
CIR is bad cause there is no CIR in top cut
bold geode
Meanwhile Tofu gonna call it mid
I might cook up Miraidon shit
Found my Miraidon earlier
foggy lodge
Game is at a fast pace rn
Seen more faster paced Calys at least myself
That's go...
i think the meta is going back to early meta
It's being like early meta
stable lagoon
Never knew this channel existed ngl
I remember when i used to play competitive daily, the endless amount of raging 
foggy lodge
knotty mirage
I think the only times when i got my blood pressure up in competitive is when playing bss
next stump
global challenges make me want to throw my controller through a wall sometimes
other than that though, pokémon is a great game
stable lagoon
Global challenges are never a good idea
foggy lodge
How do i explain someone that Alcremie is bad and that Smeargle is better
bold geode
Tryna think of Miraidon shit
Can't
knotty mirage
How do i explain someone that Alcremie is bad and that Smeargle is better
I mean if you want to use decorate support just use whichever you like tbh
bold geode
Closest thing I can think of for Miraidon is like maybe
Mirai/Chi/Bundle/Hands/Farig/BM
Lmao
That or 2-2-2
foggy lodge
Dondozo?
bold geode
@next stump would Chi/Mirai and Dozogiri work? If so what other pair would you do?
bold geode
@next stump https://pokepast.es/2bb89c0ec35023b4
Would this be aight?
next stump
at first glance it looks pretty decent, but i'm not sure how great bundle is with the way the meta has shifted around
bold geode
Yeah couldn't think of a way to put speed control and hurt Ground types
Unless do we really need that?
next stump
I don't think you really do, there's Lando-I and opposing Ursaluna floating around but that's mostly it (outside of tera)
and neither of those can take a Draco or even an Overheat
bold geode
Ah ok
So I guess fuck it
Hell I can run Sunny Day Torn
foggy lodge
Anyone knows about some Koraidon/Entei teams?
bold geode
Actually y'know what'd be dumb
Idk why but Miraidon Zamazenta as well to keep Zamazenta from falling asleep
Also just saying Wide Guard does block your allies from getting hit by Discharge
foggy lodge
Rocky helmet Inci doesn't seem bad rn
shadow wind
Why arenât people using Slowbro at all? He seems like he could be good against Calyrex Ice.
shadow wind
I mean Urshifu Rapid Strike canât touch it.
I do see what you mean though.
Itâs a niche counter.
foggy lodge
It's like Pachirisu tera fairy
You counter one mon with the drawback of being bad into everything except that mon
shadow wind
But if thatâs the only Mon that dismantles a team itâs a great pick.
Like Iâm experimenting with Slowbro and just hit 1700 so it doesnât seem like that bad of a pick.
bold geode
Yeah but it's not good into everything else
shadow wind
Doesnât need to be.
The team has been able to do well against most other things, it was just Calyrex Ice that was smoking me everytime.
bold geode
Ok so it sits there
What does it do
shadow wind
Iron defense and then body press.
Whole point of it is to stop Ursaluna BM + Calyrex Ice sweeps.
While also stopping Urshifu Rapid in the process.
bold geode
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
bold geode
It's Defense ain't even that good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
Groudon.
bold geode
Well see there's the problem
Groudon is mid rn
shadow wind
In certain things sure but I would rather hit an 85% accurate move than have to win a 50/50 speed tie with Miraidon.
bold geode
Most of them go Modest anyways
Jolly Koraidon outspeeds iirc
foggy lodge
i'd assume i lose the speed tie tbh
shadow wind
Well yeah they have the same stats.
bold geode
Well yeah I know this
foggy lodge
Most Koraidon aren't max speed and invest more in bulk
shadow wind
Yeah so I would rather just use the bulkier Mon in the first place.
bold geode
And then find the most niche bullshit to compensate for a MU you can probably find way better answers for
shadow wind
Anyway, Iâve gotten into this argument loads so Iâll just disagree to agree.
I like Groudon and heâs fun to use. So thatâs why I use him.
Iâve had moderate success with him so honestly I canât complain.
craggy dagger
meow-
torn parrot
I wish koraidon was a fire dragon type
shadow wind
I wish koraidon was a fire dragon type
It would make him a lot lot better.
Fire dragon is one of those types that the more I think about it the better it is.
Itâs why I like using Gouging fire.
molten oasis
I wish koraidon was a fire dragon type
nah i like when koraidon doesnt nuke my team with 2x stab flare blitz
and sun boost
molten oasis
probably not
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
shadow wind
Does?
jade dust
No idea, only by trying we can figure out
shadow wind
I feel like the description on SD says it does but I could be wrong.
jade dust
âPrevents water damaging moves from executingâ
shadow wind
But I feel like that was made before Hydro steam.
And Hydro steam is special.
Yeah showdown doesn't say.
It does probably evaporate though.
Oh weird, according to serebii Orichalcum pulse doesn't work in Desolate land either.
nocturne holly
I wish koraidon was a fire dragon type
Real it would make so much more sense
Like tf fighting
torn parrot
gamefreak prioritizes theming over competitive when choosing typing so i guess it makes sense
whoah, guy chunked
thank you regi đ đ
next stump
thatâs a big hit lol
jade dust
Does knock off go through sash? Or they still survive with 1 hp?
jade dust
Ah alright
chrome knot
same with rocky helmet
jade dust
Oh yeah true
Also pelipper is actually decent to deal with zama. It wonât OHKO like chandelure but it deals enough damage to 2HKO with helping hand
nocturne holly
coaching shifu with zac? Itâs a tech I might run but Iâm also running sd zac so idk how needed it is
jade dust
If youâre running coaching then you want blade, play rough, sacred sword and protect
nocturne holly
If youâre running coaching then you want blade, play rough, sacred sword and pro...
Coaching would give me another way of playing zac based on if I can get some sds off
Iâll try it and see what I like
foggy lodge
coaching shifu with zac? Itâs a tech I might run but Iâm also running sd zac so ...
Test it
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/d3b4890c8cea7080 are there any glaring weaknesses matchup-wise with this team?
foggy lodge
In early meta i was playing some things with Gouging Fire howl + SD Zac
jade dust
Is volt switch bolt any good rn
I like to use thunderbolt, Draco meteor, claps and protect
nocturne holly
I like to use thunderbolt, Draco meteor, claps and protect
Av
molten oasis
Local zacian player I see?
(Gouging fire is so mid rn)
I wish it was better I also messed with it
jade dust
Then snarl instead of protect
foggy lodge
Is volt switch bolt any good rn
If it's tera electric yeah
I think is more like AV+Tera fairy or Booster energy + Tera electric
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/d3b4890c8cea7080 are there any glaring weaknesses matchup-wi...
Why not rapid
foggy lodge
(Gouging fire is so mid rn)
True
molten oasis
Rapid shifu
nocturne holly
I think is more like AV+Tera fairy or Booster energy + Tera electric
Yea it is thinking of volt switch for more pivot power
dense latch
Why not rapid
water overlap with ogerpon, dark helps against opposing CSR matchups and CIR
foggy lodge
Mine is tera electric AV but it's because is in a Koraidon team
nocturne holly
I was running e web but like never used it
next stump
Is volt switch bolt any good rn
i think volt is a bit lacking compared to webs or snarl
i prefer snarl if you have something that can take advantage of it
molten oasis
water overlap with ogerpon, dark helps against opposing CSR matchups and CIR
Water overlap is t an issue
dense latch
i used to have rapid strike but switched a few mons around and it was more helpful
nocturne holly
i prefer snarl if you have something that can take advantage of it
Yea restricted is zac so I needa keep it alive
foggy lodge
i used to have rapid strike but switched a few mons around and it was more helpf...
I think cornerstone Ogerpon is better tbh
next stump
https://pokepast.es/d3b4890c8cea7080 are there any glaring weaknesses matchup-wi...
I think compared to the more common CSR teams nowadays, this team could struggle into some CIR teams
no After You means they can set TR and play under it better than otherwise
but itâs not an auto loss, just easier for the CIR player than normal
dense latch
so maybe take off sing for after you?
chrome knot
@next stump did u see what won vr tour 2?
chrome knot
there is 1 glaring issue
foggy lodge
i still don't know why that caly doesn't has tr
jade dust
I decided to go for pelipper instead of Mieshao cuz it gives more coverage
jade dust
i still don't know why that caly doesn't has tr
The grass coverage helps to deal with Kyogre
chrome knot
Raging Bolt
jade dust
And yes I know I have raging bolt
foggy lodge
You have a Raging
chrome knot
âŠand that rillaboom should be here but its w/e
jade dust
But still is annoying to take like 3 rounds of thunderbolt
chrome knot
ladder only teams are
jade dust
âŠand that rillaboom should be here but its w/e
Instead of what?
chrome knot
electabuzz
jade dust
I need electrabuzz to deal with Amoonguss
foggy lodge
noÂż
chrome knot
you are naturally faster and will have 2 switch ins for it
foggy lodge
Give Inci Safety and add Rilla and you have Match up into Amoonguss
jade dust
Follow me and itâs immune to sleep
jade dust
Also follow me on general is very good. It helps against raging bolt since I have Tera water caly
foggy lodge
Ogerpon could also be good
next stump
<@197813560997314562> did u see what won vr tour 2?
i saw the 6 but i havenât seen the OTS
jade dust
Eh it still blocks my lance
chrome knot
i saw the 6 but i havenât seen the OTS
its expanding force plot csr
uhh teams kinda standard i think
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/747cb7b8717b8f26 incin over unbreon on this? Umbreon is like really disruptive and pretty tanky
molten oasis
Did we not go over dropping seed bomb dude
jade dust
Lol
molten oasis
Trick room, drop seed bomb
You have raging bolt for kyogre and shifu
Trick room not seed bomb
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/747cb7b8717b8f26 incin over unbreon on this? Umbreon is like...
I like incin for more fo pressure and parting shot here
foggy lodge
so this team is really weak to Caly Ice and i don't know if i should change some things or i should just drop the match up xd https://pokepast.es/92bdc3fc81225ce5
chrome knot
fan of umbreon here
nocturne holly
yea me too
timber hollow
Anyone for a 6vs6 double combat?
rustic mountain
@bold geode oh is that y u were mentioning e force csr? cuz it won vr2?
nocturne holly
Yea I think incins better on this as it can output a lot of pressure as soon as it comes out where as umbreon needs like yawn to do so
which takes a turn
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> oh is that y u were mentioning e force csr? cuz it won vr2...
Oh it won VR2?
rustic mountain
yes
bold geode
Yeah no I've just been seeing it a fuck ton
rustic mountain
oh fr? interesting i havent laddered much in the past weekish
bold geode
Yeah no I've seen it quite a bit
rustic mountain
must be a trend i missed if it was even b4 that
bold geode
Hell I think it was like 2-3 weeks ago when I started seeing it
rustic mountain
the team is pretty different then wat i ran tho half the team is the same
watershifu-indeedee-csr being the 3 haha
rustic mountain
Hell I think it was like 2-3 weeks ago when I started seeing it
yea mustve just not run into it i guess im not sure
bold geode
Yeah sometimes it's like HO and sometimes it's like a more offensive balance maybe?
rustic mountain
id say the winning team is more offensive balance yea
mine was pretty much straight ho haha
also i did not run plot or have cloak on csr
bold geode
Oh Plot Cloak E Force CSR?
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
Tf
Baton Pass?
let him cook
nocturne holly
what stat boosts is indeedee getting
rustic mountain
prolly good way to regain terrain control and not have to manually switch
or jus pivot in general
bold geode
It would basically be just switching like with U Turn
rustic mountain
- the damage yea
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
charred saddle
nocturne holly
yea it doesnât get any pivot moves other than that
charred saddle
i got mildly annoyed with the lvl 70 ogerpon
rustic mountain
why
nocturne holly
thatâs cool
charred saddle
cool team tho
rustic mountain
thatâs cool
yea interesting tech tbh
charred saddle
not really, u can get ogerpon at lvl 20
nocturne holly
what
charred saddle
idk how the range works tho but yeah
rustic mountain
nah ur right
charred saddle
nono but my point is like make it 50 
rustic mountain
hahah yea tru idk then
prolly to match in game for them
since they didnt do it w/ lvl 20
charred saddle
oh and stellar shifu too
jade dust
How much it takes to raging bolt to deal with kyogre? With av or a calm mind in
charred saddle
i mean with AV, its already dealing with kyogre greatly
rustic mountain
it double resists its stab u dont really need av tbh
jade dust
No I mean kyogre using av
charred saddle
eweb is very annoying, forces it to tera out of water, icebeam non stab to AV chonk isnt gonna help much
rustic mountain
nd it depends a lot of ogres are tera grass so bolt can force the tera but it may not always be the counter
charred saddle
even more so, AV kyogre cant play around it
rustic mountain
in the sense of dealing w/ it that is
charred saddle
yeah, i think ur gonna be more worried about its partner
jade dust
nd it depends a lot of ogres are tera grass so bolt can force the tera but it ma...
What happened with the tera water
rustic mountain
u have cir tho right? so forcing it to that tera is good anyway in that regard
jade dust
Yes I have caly ice
charred saddle
not much kyogre run water tera, i think grass are like the more popular one
rustic mountain
What happened with the tera water
some do, it depends on team comp but most are more defensive from wat ive seen
jade dust
I run seed bomb to catch kyogres by surprise but I have raging bolt in my team now
rustic mountain
eh ive seen seed bomb on cir its kinda troll imo. ground/ice is generally really strong on its own
foggy lodge
Japan is the only place where they play seed bomb cir
charred saddle
HH covers nicely to some typing
jade dust
eh ive seen seed bomb on cir its kinda troll imo. ground/ice is generally really...
Yeah I know, itâs not good against pelipper that can block lance and is immune to ground but I have feint in my electrabuzz
jade dust
Fairy ground which doesnât exist
charred saddle
oh right buzz support is quite neat actually
jade dust
But ice ground yes, it hits a lot for effective
rustic mountain
Yeah I know, itâs not good against pelipper that can block lance and is immune t...
if u can play around it well enough usually peli isnt too much of a threat but yea stuff like feint is great at just nullifying that. and u can jus threaten peli too w/ volt switch or w/e
charred saddle
i saw the report from cybbertron and it fucking made sense
cant spore it too holy fuck
now u can just run ol good water tera cir freely
notscared of amogus underTR
rustic mountain
it hits like neutral to most, resists to some weird typing
yea but ice and ground can hit steel/electric/poison/flying/grass/fire/ground/dragon for SE thats like half the type chart. and nothing resists or is immune to both
thats more wat i mean by best offensive type coverage
jade dust
I was considering using cover cloak raging bolt since snarl and spirit break are annoying
rustic mountain
eh idk if its necessary
charred saddle
ye, i only putting out fairy as one of the nice typing
like fairy ghost ~cough cough~ flutter is also fucking strong cover
jade dust
Tera fairy bolt
rustic mountain
ive been doing booster tera fairy
charred saddle
u just hit so hard haha
jade dust
I donât like draco meteor with booster energy
charred saddle
u can run pulse as alternatives
i still like draco to get some important damage so
rustic mountain
yea
jade dust
Cuz booster is only once on switch and if you use draco meteor you either switch to clear the debuff and loser the booster or you stay at -2 SpcA
rustic mountain
even -1 draco and tbolt or clap can still do good chip if u need it to or secure a ko
and then u jus switch if u need to
nocturne holly
Yea you still do a ton after the drops
charred saddle
i mean tradeoff, u get one huge chunk of damage or even better ohkoes it. or hit 2-3 to kill
jade dust
Life orb is another alternative but I want bolt to stay healthy the longest possible and life orb chips it away slowly
rustic mountain
i dont really see the reason not to run draco w/ booster
charred saddle
i mean its matter of preferance, i tried pulse and like it just doesnt fit a lot of the cases i wanted to play around
nocturne holly
Draco is nice because it gets something low enough that like literally anything else finishes it off
rustic mountain
unless u jus never switch ur mons or plan to which idk y thatd b the case
charred saddle
Life orb is another alternative but I want bolt to stay healthy the longest poss...
i did discuss something about this back then, LO or booster
LO just hurts on the long run especially since ur hp bulk is huge
u lost a lot
nocturne holly
i mean its matter of preferance, i tried pulse and like it just doesnt fit a lot...
Yea most of the time youâd rather just hit it with t bolt does more damage at neutral and like when you want the dragon stab youâd rather have the strongest move
charred saddle
bolt is heavily bulky on hp so LO hurts
rustic mountain
dracos weird on like cm cuz u generally wanna stay in and keep the boosts but booster its like, that huge chunk or 1hko can be so crucial
dapper crag
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jade dust
i did discuss something about this back then, LO or booster
LO just hurts on th...
I use max hp max spca bolt
So yes the bulk helps
nocturne holly
I think cm just runs double electric no?
charred saddle
even more so not to run LO
some do yeah
i think i saw some cm + no protect so
like just cm leftovers clap bolt pulse
its fucking crazy
jade dust
Eh I donât like taking time to set up, I often need the instant damage so taking turns to calm mind bolt can lose me the game
nocturne holly
I think cm has just fallen off a little
charred saddle
it has lots of setups like grimm and 2 FOs so it helps. but like crazy
nocturne holly
like Iâd almost always rather use av or booster