Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Icy Wind
- Protect
#competitive_discussion
craggy dagger
huh-
solid frigate
yeah depends
solid frigate
you just posted the entire thing smh-
because why not,this Flutter is perfectly fine
craggy dagger
solid frigate
TERA GROUND FLUTTER EXCUSE ME?
I think you did not saw my Miraidon Kyogre Team being Beta Testing
craggy dagger
oh
craggy dagger
i’m trying to think what other achilles pokemon are there…?
there’s defeatist archeops, slow start varoom regigigas, zero to hero palafin, truant durant slaking…
solid frigate
i’m trying to think what other achilles pokemon are there…?
there’s defeatist ar...
Mycellium Might Todescreul
RIP Fast Spore
nocturne holly
it’s achilles mons like bad abilities
solid frigate
bad abilities need Neutralising Gas to disable them
craggy dagger
it’s achilles mons like bad abilities
like really good pokemon that get held back with their abilities
solid frigate
like really good pokemon that get held back with their abilities
technically Todescruel?
nocturne holly
What the fuck is the point of this
craggy dagger
technically Todescruel?
mhm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
oh defeatist-
nocturne holly
that’s so evil
solid frigate
like i can see Todescruel being good without the ability fr
Fast Spore and can hit decently Hard
craggy dagger
archeops has a pretty high attack stat plus rock type is pretty offensive so
solid frigate
Archeops hates itself lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
Yeah- this Ability is just
PLAIN DUMBASS TROLL
craggy dagger
idk if you’d consider pure power medicham to be an achilles heel-
it’s got base 60 attack and you need to invest so much into attack to make it work…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
craggy dagger
Yeah- this Ability is just
PLAIN DUMBASS TROLL
it goes through abilities-
i feel like they tried to balance out good as gold with that ability
nocturne holly
idk if you’d consider pure power medicham to be an achilles heel-
it’s got base ...
Nah that’s a goated ability bad mon
solid frigate
it goes through abilities-
i feel like they tried to balance out good as gold wi...
which does not work appearently
nocturne holly
I didn’t know it’s sp atk was that low
solid frigate
Toedscruel's Stats is basically Worse Articuno-
craggy dagger
Nah that’s a goated ability bad mon
well yeah but like-
okay-
achilles heel pokemon in a nutshell is a pokemon that has so much potential but is held back really hard by something
like truant slaking
solid frigate
Meanwhile Munkidori:
Just Plain Bad,No Saving Whatsoever
craggy dagger
or zero to hero palafin
since you could lose momentum by switching out to get the buff
which might not even be worth it
solid frigate
what Legendaries are Achilles Heel Pokemon
nocturne holly
Palafin was good tbh
solid frigate
not including Regigigas
nocturne holly
Until fucking shifu
Like I don’t think it’s ability was that detrimental to it especially in reg c
craggy dagger
there’s no specific achilles heel legendary
nocturne holly
When it had the really strong core of amoonguss and arcanine
solid frigate
Until fucking shifu
yeah Shifu is just simply better than it
Sure Typing is a bit Worse,but it hits THROUGH PROTECT
craggy dagger
at best-
most are just fucked over by pressure being their ability
solid frigate
there’s no specific achilles heel legendary
besides Regigigas?
nocturne holly
Giving pressure to almost all legendaries is stupids
craggy dagger
besides Regigigas?
yeah-
gigas is the only one
solid frigate
Giving pressure to almost all legendaries is stupids
Old gens be like
they removed their tradition of doing this After Gen 4-5
Gen 6-9,Only Eternatus has Pressure
craggy dagger
Giving pressure to almost all legendaries is stupids
like i understand the intention-
“oh you’re fighting a god or a god level that’s super strong pokemon so you’re gonna be nervous etc”
BUT THE ABILITY IS GARBAGE
solid frigate
like i understand the intention-
“oh you’re fighting a god or a god level that’s...
its onl good in Stall
But at least some has Hidden Ability
some are good
Some are bad
craggy dagger
i’m just gonna put pressure <-> legendary as an achilles heel category 
solid frigate
for Example,Telepathy and Snow Cloak are Decent Situational Abilities
But Aura Break is kinda Useless for Zygarde cuz you forced to use Base Zygarde without transform to Complete Forme
zinc totem
bad abilities need Neutralising Gas to disable them
imagine regigias with koffing 
or wheezing i mean
craggy dagger
i’m more upset about the creation trio’s abilities
solid frigate
imagine regigias with koffing <a:KEKWDISCO:906159021097123852>
i think its quite Easy to beat ngl
solid frigate
i’m more upset about the creation trio’s abilities
at least Giratina got something
Dialga and Palkia tho-
craggy dagger
i think its quite Easy to beat ngl
headlong rush ursaluna :3
craggy dagger
at least Giratina got something
Dialga and Palkia tho-
what-
levitate
nocturne holly
like i understand the intention-
“oh you’re fighting a god or a god level that’s...
Like ig it’s ok in story but like in comp what the fuck
solid frigate
what-
levitate <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
at least thats SOMETHING
nocturne holly
Like pp ups and shit completely negate it
hear me out
An ability that like negates the evs of all surrounding Pokémon
solid frigate
headlong rush ursaluna :3
hehe
solid frigate
hear me out
An ability that like negates the evs of all surrounding Pokémon
that would be stupidly Broken if it gives to something broken
craggy dagger
ah-
i also need to do a write up of type triangles and cores-
solid frigate
ah-
i also need to do a write up of type triangles and cores-
oh yeah in that Server we all have Assignments-
nocturne holly
ah-
i also need to do a write up of type triangles and cores-
Fwg
Dsf
Dpf
I think those are the main ones
nocturne holly
oh yeah in that Server we all have Assignments-
What server 😭
craggy dagger
Fwg
Dsf
Dpf
i was gonna ask what dsf was but that’s fantasy
solid frigate
You get homework?
no like
For the Members who want to try Comp
craggy dagger
as for dark psychic fighting-
that’s a type triangle not a core-
solid frigate
as for dark psychic fighting-
that’s a type triangle not a core-
we have no Options on it lmao
craggy dagger
we do
solid frigate
fair
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/fac0c8291a269ad5
lmao what am i doing-
fantasy core + dpf triangle
nocturne holly
as for dark psychic fighting-
that’s a type triangle not a core-
Same thing Idfk
craggy dagger
mm-
cores cover weaknesses well-
type triangles are just SE and resist into each other
fantasy does wonders-
fwg gets lots of resists and coverage
solid frigate
tru
chrome knot
@craggy dagger please..
craggy dagger
<@541037106496012290> please..
hi-
i can do one hour :0
uh-
dunno abt-
uh-
rn since i’m out but i’ll be home soon i think
depends on whether i can finish this boulder or not 
craggy dagger
how abt i come over and hit you with a boulder !!
if you can climb up to me first-
without a harness
nocturne holly
Do Scarf Lando I go Modest?
Modest I think
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
Yea modest
craggy dagger
of if you’re scarfed prolly modest/
idk the exact stat you hit with scarf but you should outspeed most things
nocturne holly
of if you’re scarfed prolly modest/
idk the exact stat you hit with scarf but yo...
You really just wanna outspeed Mirai and csr and you don’t even need max spe for that
molten oasis
Modest for scarf lando I
chrome knot
balls
modern harbor
necrozma phase 17
chrome knot
wat
molten oasis
necrozma phase 17
That was an accident
Anyway you mean Super Duper Mega Ultra Necrozma
Who has 300 in every stat
chrome knot
usually phasing is hitting incorrect shiny
modern harbor
usually phasing is hitting incorrect shiny
yep
17 other shinies in DA
it's 1/4 bro 😭😭
modern harbor
if you get a shiny, 1/4 times it's the legend
cyan smelt
It's 1/100 rolled separately for each mon so no it's not 1/25
molten oasis
It’s 1/4 if you get the 1/100
So it’s like, .005% change I think?
I’m not sure how probability math works
It’s low
strange fjord
its actually quite close to 1/25
molten oasis
That’s not how math works
strange fjord
molten oasis
The combined odds of it are a lot lower
strange fjord
this is the combined odds which when k=1/100 and n=4 its around 1/25.37
at lower values its looks like it adds but it doesn't
point still stands it around 1/25
jade dust
If a mon gets burned but then does tera fire, does it remove the burn?
molten oasis
It’s 1/25 IF you get the shiny
strange fjord
a 1/25.37 for at least one to be shiny
molten oasis
The combined probability of 1/25 for getting both the shiny AND the correct slot should not be higher than the probability of the base shiny odds
strange fjord
assuming 4 rolls
molten oasis
a 1/25.37 for *at least one* to be shiny
That is true yes
A combined probability, assuming you get the correct slot should be lower
Than the base shiny odds
Cuz that doesn’t make sense otherwise
strange fjord
a 1/25.37 for *at least one* to be shiny
same odds if 4 players do a DA for the same legend tho. cause you do get 4 rolls on that specific legend (assuming it was caught)
modern harbor
and assuming you get a shiny, it's 1/4 that the legend is shiny
like
if you were to get a shiny every time, 1/4 would be the legendary
next stump
it's tough because normally in a game you can take advantage of more than one roll of something, but with DA 1 shiny and all 4 shinies is effectively equivalent since you can only keep one
I think when I did the math back when I was hunting Kyogre, it's about 25-35 hours to hit the shiny rate on a legendary
modern harbor
well in any case phase 17 and counting is p unlucky
i have ab 200 hours in this den i think
molten oasis
It’s gambling technically
modern harbor
not rly
next stump
~20 mins per raid, so 3 raids per hour
1/100 to hit the rate / 3 raids per hour = 33ish hours
chrome knot
@modern harbor does this with me instead
modern harbor
gambling is for money
modern harbor
<@255963690518446081> does this with me instead
IM THIS FAR I HAVE TO GET IT
I NEED MY PINK ARMORED CAR OR BAR
molten oasis
<@255963690518446081> does this with me instead
How many runs in for the shiny so far?
chrome knot
about 30ish now
chrome knot
i count
nocturne holly
💀
chrome knot
this mf cant count ^^^^
nocturne holly
😡🔫🔫🫵
molten oasis
Average intellect of a vgc player
nocturne holly
Average intellect of a vgc player
Shut up fight me
molten oasis
Shut up fight me
I’ll win
nocturne holly
anyways
Theres gonna be a Michael bay skibidi toilet movie 😭
bold geode
this mf cant count ^^^^
cyan smelt
What happened to spicy cigar
nocturne holly
bro what?
bold geode
What happened to spicy cigar
I've talked to him, he just don't come in here anymore
molten oasis
or on cart I’d win
Okay when I get home you gonna get a taste of some ice again
bold geode
"Nah I'd win" energy frfr
cyan smelt
Kyurem white is good
chrome knot
I need 2 people who can DA
bold geode
Okay when I get home you gonna get a taste of some ice again
Oooooooooooooooh I want ice 
chrome knot
im tired of brain rot monkeysssssss
bold geode
Ok I can't do it then
cyan smelt
Wtf is that emoji, super cursed
chrome knot
i PROMISE YOU g-linoone is NOT a good pick when you KNOW its going to be vespiquen start
im abt to buy another switch, 2 copies of sword and dlc for sword on switch 3
like im about to EAT my switch 😭
molten oasis
I need 2 people who can DA
I would but I’m working 
craggy dagger
im tired of brain rot monkeysssssss
meow i can’t-
foggy plinth
Hey guys I’m new to vgc, does anyone have any tips on building a team around h Typhlo
molten oasis
Hey guys I’m new to vgc, does anyone have any tips on building a team around h T...
Don’t
(Use koraidon and chi yu, wake is also decent with it)
foggy plinth
Do you need the dlc to get wake?
chrome knot
wake is unavailable again
foggy plinth
wake is unavailable again
I got it when it was first released but sold my switch and just recently got back into it and bought a new one 😭
chrome knot
okay
lusty quest
Is this team good
molten oasis
No
There’s a lot to work on
The things with Tera fairy Tera blast need to be replaced. Tera water or ghost for shifu and Tera fire or water for calyrex
Calyrex wants clesr amulet and shifu wants scarf mystic water or goggles
Actually scarf
timber falcon
Is this team good
why gliscor here
modern harbor
i have seen tera fire caly too
timber falcon
thats a compliment
modern harbor
idk if i would call that wholesomeness but yeah
lusty quest
why gliscor here
I couldn't think of another pokemon so I js put one that can deal with calyrex ice
timber falcon
bro it cannot deal with calyrex ice
lusty quest
Until I learnt ground isnt super effective on ice
modern harbor
isnt gliscor 4x weak
timber falcon
isnt gliscor 4x weak
yeah, it gets one shot
lusty quest
isnt gliscor 4x weak
I thought it was the opposite
modern harbor
also tera ground is still weak
lusty quest
And I js like gliscor
timber falcon
Until I learnt ground isnt super effective on ice
incineroar is a decent start for answering calyrex ice,
torn parrot
earlier i told him i hate his guts but i respect the fuck out of his team
lusty quest
incineroar is a decent start for answering calyrex ice,
What should I replace gliscor with
molten oasis
Is this team good
To continue incin wants safety goggles and Tera ghost, parting shot and wisp over taunt and u-turn
Incin doesn’t run max attack adamant
modern harbor
What should I replace gliscor with
ogerpon, rilla, ursaluna blood moon idk
shouldnt smeargle be max speed
lusty quest
Incin doesn’t run max attack adamant
What stats should he run
lusty quest
shouldnt smeargle be max speed
Oh this is a trick room team
modern harbor
a bunch of defense and hp basically
modern harbor
Oh this is a trick room team
true but fake out
timber falcon
how do i counter fairy types man
molten oasis
What stats should he run
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 156 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot
- Will-O-Wisp
- Fake Out
lusty quest
Should I replace smeargle with Clefairy to counter opposing calyrex ice
molten oasis
how do i counter fairy types man
Zacian gholdengo Hearthflame
timber falcon
my ray team cant seem to deal with moonblast/dgleam
molten oasis
Should I replace smeargle with Clefairy to counter opposing calyrex ice
You should already be able to handle opposing CIR with incin and shifu
Also running amoonguss or rilla over smeargle
timber falcon
Zacian gholdengo Hearthflame
thanks
molten oasis
Shifu wants close combat over Tera blast ice rider wants trick room over Tera blast
Gliscor can be replaced with raging bolt
modern harbor
yeah definitely trick room on ice rider
molten oasis
Fari wants throat spray or sitrus berry
molten oasis
Tera fairy, psychic noise over hyper voice and foul play over protect
lusty quest
Tera fairy, psychic noise over hyper voice and foul play over protect
What should be rillabooms build
lusty quest
usually fari needs defense too
How much defense?
jade dust
Is ursaluna blood moon good to check Zamasenta?
It’s a normal type so takes massive damage from body press but it has very high special attack as well
lusty quest
Ty
foggy lodge
Is ursaluna blood moon good to check Zamasenta?
Is decent if you get the right spot with speed control to take it out
modern harbor
p sure 252+ fari gives it chance to live tera ivy cudgel right?
foggy lodge
but it's not a "add Ursaluna-BM and you won't have to worry about Zama ever again!"
foggy lodge
p sure 252+ fari gives it chance to live tera ivy cudgel right?
probably
molten oasis
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 76 Spe
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Fake Out
foggy lodge
I can do the calc
molten oasis
Is ursaluna blood moon good to check Zamasenta?
No
modern harbor
as a zama player, its not a good check
modern harbor
threatens 2hko sometimes esp after throat spray or something but its normal type so gets ohko by body press
foggy lodge
+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 228 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf: 192-226 (85.7 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
It does
molten oasis
That’s a bulky ass farigiraf
nocturne holly
Fr
modern harbor
do 180hp
foggy lodge
yeah that's the bad thing
nocturne holly
that’s a ton
modern harbor
i run adamant ogerpon
molten oasis
You have incin
torn parrot
lusty quest
What should be my last pokemon
molten oasis
Congrats Maya
molten oasis
What should be my last pokemon
What’s the current paste?
foggy lodge
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 180 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf: 174-206 (79.8 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This one is better
molten oasis
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 18...
He has incin
torn parrot
Congrats Maya
thank you! 
gentle cragBOT
thank you! <:WobbuParty:669500457940418580>
mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
molten oasis
Ogerpon should always be a neutral lol
foggy lodge
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 180 HP / 204+ Def Farigiraf: 184-218 (84.4 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
I think this one is more optimized
Unless you really really really need to live the tera fire ivy cudgel a 90/10 is fine
lusty quest
What’s the current paste?
Rillabooms, incineroar, fari, urshifu rapid, and calyrex ice
foggy lodge
Share it as a pokepaste
lusty quest
Oh
Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Swords Dance
- Glacial Lance
- Protect
- Trick Room
Farigiraf @ Throat Spray
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick Room
- Psychic Noise
- Foul Play
- Helping Hand
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 156 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot
- Will-O-Wisp
- Fake Out
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Def / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Detect
- Close Combat
- Surging Strikes
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 76 Spe
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Fake Out
modern harbor
+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 18...
why is less def and same hp doing less dmg
modern harbor
u need a second attack on caly
lusty quest
How do I do that
molten oasis
Rillabooms, incineroar, fari, urshifu rapid, and calyrex ice
Raging bolt
lusty quest
Alr
molten oasis
No sword dance close combat
molten oasis
Wait no high horsepower @lusty quest
modern harbor
what is moltres galar's role in general
molten oasis
Shadow rider check
foggy lodge
Only glacial lance is an instalose in some spots
modern harbor
Wait no high horsepower <@893590242806878230>
thats what i was saying lol
lusty quest
Alr
foggy lodge
what is moltres galar's role in general
Has the niche of OHK0ing both Calyrex
molten oasis
I’ve seen both so idk
modern harbor
Only glacial lance is an instalose in some spots
wide guard pepelaugh
foggy lodge
Tailwind being a dark type is fine
lusty quest
I’ve seen both so idk
What should be the raging bolt build
modern harbor
Has the niche of OHK0ing both Calyrex
with wrath?
foggy lodge
Foul play + tera dark
modern harbor
ohh
lusty quest
Foul play + tera dark
Do I put the link to the pokepaste here
modern harbor
doesn't ur zama instalose to chi yu
foggy lodge
Do I put the link to the pokepaste here
Yep
solid frigate
Do I put the link to the pokepaste here
yeah
lusty quest
foggy lodge
doesn't ur zama instalose to chi yu
Kinda but i have Pelipper
foggy lodge
The most problematic Chi-Yu is focus sash cause most are timid 252 and outspeed my Zama
molten oasis
What should be the raging bolt build
Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Dragon Pulse
- Weather Ball
- Protect
foggy lodge
The weather ball tech
solid frigate
damn it you got here before me
modern harbor
The most problematic Chi-Yu is focus sash cause most are timid 252 and outspeed ...
yeah thats why im 168speed
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/72ad149b22257cf1
High horsepower over cc
foggy lodge
If it's scarf i have thing to play around that
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/c547843539e260ca i think ive found a suitable 6th mon here
foggy lodge
If it locks into heat wave i have wide guard and if it locks into overheat i have Pelipper
lusty quest
Alr this is the new team https://pokepast.es/b8f6e85c6be46571
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/c547843539e260ca i think ive found a suitable 6th mon here
looks fine but personally imo substitute Lando looks kinda bad
foggy lodge
Kyurem-W?
molten oasis
Maybe
solid frigate
Exactly
molten oasis
solid frigate
kek
timber falcon
looks fine but personally imo substitute Lando looks kinda bad
what should it have instead
foggy lodge
Tera blast?
timber falcon
why though
foggy lodge
Sandsear storm could work
timber falcon
yeah i see that working
nocturne holly
Alr this is the new team https://pokepast.es/b8f6e85c6be46571
Tera water over fire on cir
solid frigate
Tera water over fire on cir
ok that depends
nocturne holly
Also idk why fairy on shifu
timber falcon
Tera water over fire on cir
fire is fine
foggy lodge
yeah i see that working
Grass knot can work
timber falcon
for what
foggy lodge
Coverage against water types
solid frigate
also i'm curious,Where is the EVs of the Mons
dapper crag
Is parting shot and egg move as I have caught tons of litten in pogo and other games and still can’t get parting shot?
solid frigate
Is parting shot and egg move as I have caught tons of litten in pogo and other g...
Egg move for incin yeah
nocturne holly
fire is fine
I meant or it’s ghost rn lol
timber falcon
Coverage against water types
i guess maybe for kyogre, but most run AV anyway. i dont think its worth
dapper crag
Egg move for incin yeah
Okkk thanks I wondered why I couldn’t get it
gentle cragBOT
Okkk thanks I wondered why I couldn’t get it
ang3lsn1per. has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456
dapper crag
Do u think if I used inteleon snipe shot with u turn as back up as start with kyogre that could possibly work as water type or do u think dragalge could work as a better water type
solid frigate
Do u think if I used inteleon snipe shot with u turn as back up as start with ky...
no
molten oasis
Just don’t use inteleon
foggy lodge
Play Urshifu
solid frigate
just use Urshifu if you want Crits and Uturn
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
dapper crag
just use Urshifu if you want Crits and Uturn
Ok atm I’m using dark type one but haven’t built the water type one so is that a better one to run
foggy lodge
Depends on the team
solid frigate
mostl Water Shifu is the more slappable One
dapper crag
Depends on the team
I don’t rlly have a team first time making one js putting ones together
nocturne holly
I don’t rlly have a team first time making one js putting ones together
Is this for singles or vgc?
foggy lodge
Overall i would say Urshi water because it gives you some help in rain match ups, completes gfw cores, and also makes pretty good use of tera
dapper crag
Is this for singles or vgc?
Atm I’m thinking of making a doubles team but not fully sure as I haven’t rlly played much outside of hunting yet
dapper crag
Overall i would say Urshi water because it gives you some help in rain match ups...
Okk I’ll run that
foggy lodge
I don’t rlly have a team first time making one js putting ones together
Looks for teams and rentals
nocturne holly
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2166933970
Did you predict the Tera onto csr turn 1
foggy lodge
Building your own team as a novice is an experience
nocturne holly
Building your own team as a novice is an experience
Not a good one 😭
solid frigate
Building your own team as a novice is an experience
but also a huge defict due to not having a grasp over on the Metagame
timber falcon
Did you predict the Tera onto csr turn 1
was obvious since i led incin, they couldnt risk not popping tera
nocturne holly
was obvious since i led incin, they couldnt risk not popping tera
What if they protect 😭or was it ots
didn’t check chat
timber falcon
it was ots
nocturne holly
Were they specs?
dapper crag
Atm my team is random mons I think could work together 😂
timber falcon
Were they specs?
bright powder lmao
nocturne holly
bright powder lmao
Did they not have protect?
nocturne holly
Yea fake out was pretty risky tho
Actually nvm Tera normal was a good play
draining kiss wouldn’t have done much neutral
timber falcon
fr
cyan smelt
some people ragequit
molten oasis
It’s dumb
timber falcon
things were looking good until this
balmy glen
just click surrender please
Especially in a bo3 when I have to leave 2 rooms open when I play on mobile and it lags my stuff for no reason lol
timber falcon
still looking good ig
balmy glen
things were looking good until this
Ngl I didn’t think abt it til now but I think I beat u on my alt
timber falcon
which team
timber falcon
balmy glen
It was my newer alt tho so I think it was around 1300s
timber falcon
my main account where ive beentesting ray teams is in that range....
molten oasis
Imagine
bold geode
🖕
bold geode
Also 🖕
timber falcon
ITS NOT LOADING
I DISCONNECTED IN A WINNING GAME
Monke youve cursed me with that
ima stop for the night
jade dust
I kinda want to drop chandelure from my team but it’s so good against Zamasenta
It’s very annoying to deal with it otherwise
balmy glen
Use Skeledirge
balmy glen
And can spiral
jade dust
Good idea
balmy glen
With torch song and is solid into Dondozo with Unaware which has risen
jade dust
Yeah chandelure has high base SpcA but torch song raises spc atk
cyan smelt
i lowkey want to use skeledirge again but idk who to use it with
balmy glen
i lowkey want to use skeledirge again but idk who to use it with
Zama, Terapagos, Korai
Can’t see it used with the others
junior patrol
Say do you guys think they'll ever nerf Incin?
balmy glen
Say do you guys think they'll ever nerf Incin?
No
timber falcon
it doesnt need nerfing
balmy glen
It’s kind of just fine
cyan smelt
yeah i'm gonna use it with zama
junior patrol
Well will it ever be power crept
cyan smelt
so far i'm thinking skele, zama, rilla and urshifu
balmy glen
They can only really nerf incin if they hard nerf Urshifu
timber falcon
why skele again?
cyan smelt
unaware
cyan smelt
caly-s, caly-i
balmy glen
Skele is cool
cyan smelt
terapagos
timber falcon
tera normal for csr right
balmy glen
Good typing into Zacian/Zama while ignoring their typing, good into Dondozo with unaware that has risen, fits well on the restricted teams I stated, can spiral with torch song and be a good support
timber falcon
it doesnt look THAT hard to kill
molten oasis
Bruh
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
That’s pretty bulky
jade dust
@balmy glen what build? Does throat spray work with touch song?
cyan smelt
next to zama with wide guard caly-s can't do much
balmy glen
Do I need to be aware of Skele
Only people that even really tested it is like the Japanese players and some of the top players in NA and like some EU on cart I think
balmy glen
<@350152416815218688> what build? Does throat spray work with touch song?
Yes it does but I’d prob go sitrus or lefties just for longevity to spiral even as a support
I forgot your team tho
Your the Cress guy right
cyan smelt
so shadow ball, torch song, will-o-wisp, protect?
balmy glen
Protect/recover
cyan smelt
oh right slack off
can't believe dozo stocks are rising again, is it because of all the set up mons around?
balmy glen
can't believe dozo stocks are rising again, is it because of all the set up mons...
Unaware makes you good into Zacian/Zama naturally
It’s good into the Calys
jade dust
I replaced shadow ball on primarina for calm mind
balmy glen
After they spiral ^
cyan smelt
i'm thinking tera fairy for skeledirge since it hates the urshifus and chi-yu
jade dust
So berry or assault vest?
cyan smelt
lefties or sitrus
jade dust
lefties or sitrus
I mean I have ways of healing with lunar blessing and pollen puff
cyan smelt
just in case the partner gets koed sitrus is good for additional recovery
av means you can't use slack off
cyan smelt
is moody muk still a thing?
jade dust
Is alluring voice good?
jade dust
is moody muk still a thing?
Sadly yes
cyan smelt
confusion isn't as valuable in vgc
jade dust
It’s so fucking annoying but thankfully I have clear smog Amoonguss
molten oasis
I run into the guy that’s using min speed on everything and trick room fluttermane
Fckn weirdo
cyan smelt
tr flutter wut
molten oasis
This is a KORAIDON team with CHI YU
cyan smelt
min speed koraidon wut
molten oasis
Are all the caly’s on Tera water now
What happened to Tera fire dude, like fucking hell
jade dust
We don’t like effective surging strikes
Or weather spouts
Or be weak to other caly ice with high horsepower
nocturne holly
What happened to Tera fire dude, like fucking hell
Water superior
so good into the kyogre mu
nocturne holly
Wisp isn’t even bad if they get it off late
with like +2 and helping hand it doesn’t even matter
jade dust
Also so many caly ice teams either run coaching or decorate
molten oasis
I’m having lots of fun today
nocturne holly
I’m having lots of fun today
I think it’s time for a break
cyan smelt
did the tr flutter team have regidrago on it?
nocturne holly
Anyways gonna sleep now gn
jade dust
Gn
molten oasis
Then a god damn Tera water Tera blast dawn wings with prism scale or whatever
molten oasis
did the tr flutter team have regidrago on it?
Yes
cyan smelt
I just watched a game with it, for some reason the chi yu has nasty plot and is tera grass
balmy glen
tr flutter wut
pretty normal in cart to be fair
cyan smelt
I'm out of the loop then lol
molten oasis
I’m done man transform fucking smeargle next to nasty plot calyrex, I hate people and I hate that fucking Mon
cyan smelt
Smeargle or calyrex?
molten oasis
What is with the ghost type fucking tr mons rn
chrome knot
Smeargle or calyrex?
which do u think genius 
cyan smelt
Smeargle
molten oasis
man, just, this sucks
molten oasis
the team sucks, I suck, the teams im fighting are all designed to cheese me and piss me off
chrome knot
TRUE
cyan smelt
What's better than one csr? Two csr ofc
chrome knot
if this were a chess replay i think id have 40 blunders and 17 missed win opportunities
balmy glen
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2166926011-eaxl5ilmdpytiskhb6...
i watched t2 and clicked off
chrome knot
LOL
torn parrot
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2166926011-eaxl5ilmdpytiskhb6...
Oh cool psychic noise has an animation now
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/f8b0b6391d1aefd5 I'm split between Rilla + Water Ursh and Waterpon + Dark Ursh for the last two. Any other feedback would help a ton
balmy glen
Can’t beat zama or CSR or CIR
gg
molten oasis
Thanks Keanu really appreciate the gg
next stump
https://pokepast.es/f8b0b6391d1aefd5 I'm split between Rilla + Water Ursh and Wa...
rilla + water ursh for sure
needs a solid way to deal with opposing incin and you already have CSR and Incin to threaten stuff like CIR
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
dense latch
needs a solid way to deal with opposing incin and you already have CSR and Incin...
got you, thanks
gentle cragBOT
got you, thanks
eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
ornate briar
Hey can anyone help me create a competitive team in scarlet violet
modern harbor
i know neither of the necrozma are good but my GOD am i glad i finally got it shiny
17 phases
also, someone mentioned earlier that moltres galar kills both horses with tera dark foul play, but isn't foul play based off the enemy's attack? couldn't any dark type w/tera dark foul play ohko?
glad osprey
@forest arrow Dude your IceHorse team is killer
glad osprey
Farigaraf or Indeedee?
balmy glen
<@350152416815218688> what evs for Ske?
Uhhh
I kind of don’t have specific evs ngl I kind of readjust my evs for different teams
jade dust
I kind of don’t have specific evs ngl I kind of readjust my evs for different te...
I see, it has meh special def but it also needs the most damage it can get
modern harbor
do the horse's stats come from calyrex or from spectrier and glastrier
gentle delta
also, someone mentioned earlier that moltres galar kills both horses with tera d...
any dark type could do it yes, but goltres is just good for the job cuz of its typing, stats and other moves
craggy dagger
hurricane fiery wrath nasty plot protect :3
cyan smelt
Other dark types aren't as good because they're weak to urshifu
molten oasis
okay took a break, im gonna keep working on kyurem
https://pokepast.es/d1957e2e323bd6d2 thoughts guys?
jade dust
do the horse's stats come from calyrex or from spectrier and glastrier
I believe from caly
The nature, evs and all that
modern harbor
oof, so would i reset for a 0spe or 0atk 😭
jade dust
The move pool too
Basically just the horse state get added to caly
But all what counts is caly
molten oasis
How
jade dust
Mira used Draco meteor 3 times and moth used overheat 3 times
molten oasis
And how did you get there
jade dust
They failed to kill cress but they got my caly
And moth used that bug move that lowers Spc A on cress
molten oasis
It gets struggle bug?
jade dust
Yes
But I won this cuz I got recovery with cress
But was a super long match
Gg
That was hilarious
My cress was taking no damage but also doing no damage, but slowly got rid of Mira while recovering HP with lunar blessing
gentle delta
The move pool too
nah, the forms mix the movepool of both caly and the steed
regular caly cant learn icicle crash or high horsepower lol
gentle delta
Thats a weird take, from my experience in various e-sports VGC is by and large the most queer friendly. Hell I somehow became MORE popular when I came out as trans.
(havent seen the video, but "Why no queers" feels wrong)
zinc totem
15:37 - 23:00 was something
what i understood about meta complaining was "we cant express ourselves" argument 
zinc totem
Thats a weird take, from my experience in various e-sports VGC is by and large t...
it do feel like very hot take on a lot about competitive
gentle delta
to me the title and topic just sounds clickbaity as hell
balmy glen
https://youtu.be/Fq1twFz_J4I?si=P6C23ydj0pIc1uTD <:Hmmm:1004745695795879956>
Does this relate to competitive?
zinc totem
i think for me more weird was like having meta with landorus-i etc being "straight man" pokemons as meta pokemons make him scared of being who this person is
zinc totem
Does this relate to competitive?
yeah he actually complains competitive meta
gentle delta
Does this relate to competitive?
has VGC in the title, so technically yes, but still sounds like its slop
zinc totem
Does this relate to competitive?
https://youtu.be/Fq1twFz_J4I?si=HIAduz0-dFqtRxSf&t=956 here he mentions of competitive gaming
balmy glen
eh just feels like click bait I’d rather not click on it it’s sort of irrelevant
Idrc abt people complaining I don’t think it has anything to do with competitive tbh
zinc totem
yeah. for him problem is being unable to "express herself" and that most competitive meta pokemons are "straight male" (landorus incarnate as example) and nt many queer ones (farigirtaf/whimsicott)
balmy glen
weird take but ok ig
zinc totem
and that competitive they cant use pokemons that represent themselves or creeativity
whihc was my facepalm moment and clicked off video
gentle delta
Idrc abt people complaining I don’t think it has anything to do with competitive...
If queer inclusiveness was an actual issue in the scene I'd say its absolutely relevant, even if its not about actually playing VGC
but as I said, VGC doesn't really have those kinds of issues, its the most inclusive esports Ive ever seen, so the video is just ragey clickbait
balmy glen
I was abt to say I feel like us as a VGC community is pretty accepting of queer no?
Compared to other games
zinc totem
yeah. Basically beacuse person cant use whatever tthey want its problem for them
gentle delta
yeah absolutely
even Pokemon themselves take the acceptance seriously as hell, Play Pokemon is allowing me to compete at worlds under a non-legal name because my legal name is my dead name
zinc totem
I was abt to say I feel like us as a VGC community is pretty accepting of queer ...
100%
gentle delta
and when I came out Victory Road updated all of the instances of my name in Top X results for regionals, which was only a few to be fair but still a classy move
so yeah, VGC is quite nice for queer folk
balmy glen
100%
Where’s the part they talked about not being able to use queer mons cuz the meta includes non queer mons apart from Farig or whim
gentle delta
also lets be real, FWG is an extremely gay core
it reeks of gay thrupple
(gay not as insult mind you)
very queer esport yessir
zinc totem
Where’s the part they talked about not being able to use queer mons cuz the meta...
17:17 onward till 18:20
iron hands and lando-i are "hetero male identity appeal"
gentle delta
it doesnt actually sound all that funny not sure whats got you in stitches tbh
balmy glen
Tell them to use amoongus after Wolfey won with it it has become a symbol after defending off he who shall not be named lol
modern harbor
https://youtu.be/Fq1twFz_J4I?si=HIAduz0-dFqtRxSf&t=956 here he mentions of compe...
I LOVE QUEER PPL
gentle delta
I LOVE QUEER PPL
they're the best kind of people
when my wife and I host parties we have only one regular friend whos cishet and we always jab at her for it much to her laughter
were like girl why u straight wth
balmy glen
xd
zinc totem
it doesnt actually sound all that funny not sure whats got you in stitches tbh
landorus-i is this buff man that definetly isnt straight man appeal. I would say its more appeal for gays/bis or women more
gentle delta
landorus-i is this buff man that definetly isnt straight man appeal. I would say...
as a woman, absolutely ick
appeals to nobody except bears who like bears maybe
zinc totem
well i know some people who are feminine males and some women who loves super muscular characters like genie trio
gentle delta
you can like buff dudes sure but genie trio specifically are far too ugly
which is also intentional in their design, they're actively supposed to be unappealing because they're based on oni
modern harbor
arent they based on raijin and fuujin? idk what landorus would be tho
zinc totem
yeah, every people has their own taste. for some they dont care much about face as long as they got strong muscles
gentle delta
the 4 of them are based on chinese djinn-like deities iirc, I think raijin and fuujin are two of em?
if tofu were around he'd know it all lol
modern harbor
i just had a feeling, idk many of the other ones since im a jpn major and raijin and fuujin are the main two in jpn culture
but they pop up FREQUENTLY in pop culture its insane
gentle delta
the djinns are based on a quarter of deities that are tied to a creator deity thats similar to arceus
hence their inclusion + new member in PLA
quartet* not quarter lol
balmy glen
Just saw your post @gentle delta was prog more of something that related to the past you?
modern harbor
thats kinda their pokemon lore but as far as irl inspo
definitely asian, their tails are made with tomoe
gentle delta
Just saw your post <@394232736258195457> was prog more of something that related...
while progatog isnt a dead name, it was still sorta the name I went by for years when I was online presenting male
so in a weird way it still kinda feels masculine when someone refers to me as prog or progatog
zinc totem
when it comes to copetitive game in general, i think the most pressing issue is more lack of local competitions in countries
gentle delta
Just saw your post <@394232736258195457> was prog more of something that related...
ngl im so baked rn I forgot we were oomfies
gentle delta
when it comes to copetitive game in general, i think the most pressing issue is ...
dont get me started lol, I had to move heaven and earth to make locals happen in my city
they were extinct here for almost a decade before I came along and talked to a few dozen people
zinc totem
dont get me started lol, I had to move heaven and earth to make locals happen in...
yeah like, i've tried find competitions even in bigger cities which i could maybe go take part in, i just dont find anything like that
gentle delta
yeah its so awkward and annoying
zinc totem
only some TCG here or there
gentle delta
im in talks to get a few more happening here though, hoping to max BFL by november so I dont need to constantly drive to montreal and kingston etc
I have 3 for practice before worlds at least
zinc totem
Yeah, i've bneen trying look in facebook and discord or around google if in here finland had any vgc competitions but i found nada except one or two like 2-3 years ago happened
gentle delta
but ngl i stopped prepping a month ago and now am caught without a team
modern harbor
I have 3 for practice before worlds at least
r u going to worlds this year??
gentle delta
r u going to worlds this year??
I am!
modern harbor
OMG ME TOO
gentle delta
qualified in my first season using nothing but Armarouge psyspam lmfao
modern harbor
not as a competitor mind you
modern harbor
qualified in my first season using nothing but Armarouge psyspam lmfao
lolll
gentle delta
TO BE FAIR
it wasnt intended to be a harrd focus on that tight of a niche
I just only ever play Trick Room
I'd be happy to meet up with you while we're there ^_^ looking for more people to reach with I dont actually have many friends in the scene who qualified lol
modern harbor
r u thinking of still playing armorouge lol
modern harbor
I'd be happy to meet up with you while we're there ^_^ looking for more people t...
o im a spectator :3
balmy glen
ngl im so baked rn I forgot we were oomfies
LMAOOOO
zinc totem
its abit pain to get worlds now. I need see if i can join europe championship tournament without needing have local competitions here x_X
gentle delta
for worlds nah, psyspam/hard tr are still my main ideas but armarouge's speed being what it is makes it gratuitously awkward in a format filled with base 50s that are all trying to outspeed each other
gentle delta
r u thinking of still playing armorouge lol
above is a reply to this lol
modern harbor
ye
gentle delta
im a hat hater but I think if I do TR psyspam (not currently Plan A, more like plan C) I'd do Hat
modern harbor
im going there hoping to get a kewl distribution pokemon lol
gentle delta
oh yeah I always forget about those
gonna try and nab a bunch for my stream givewaways ig
modern harbor
u can get more than one?
gentle delta
usualy its a download code you can get there yeah? in which case you'd just need multiple save files
modern harbor
ohhhh
gentle delta
even if you can only get one ill still give it away lol
modern harbor
ive never been, is it like in the poke center?
gentle delta
i dont really use cherish ball mons
Ive never been either hahat
this was my first year playing on the actual circuit
gentle delta
well, welcome aboard
modern harbor
but i live in hawaii so its ez for me to go
gentle delta
funny, the only other person im hanging with at worlds is also a new vgc player who lives in hawaii
modern harbor
oo
gentle delta
shes been over the moon excited that im going
modern harbor
we could def meet but ugh im so nervous about presenting myself
gentle delta
we could def meet but ugh im so nervous about presenting myself
cool if I dm?
modern harbor
yesyes
jade dust
nah, the forms mix the movepool of both caly and the steed
regular caly cant l...
Yeah only once they are together
Also this will be my new hard trick room team. I don’t think people will shit on it as much as my original one. My og trick room team was fun but this is better I know
I still manage to be top 500 with swampert, chandelure and primarina but I expect this one to be more consistent
void sable
i think i just made a speacial attack cannon
jade dust
But it 1 shoots urshifu
molten oasis
you deal with urshifu with amoonguss
jade dust
And Kyoger with +1 atk
molten oasis
speaking of which give it rocky helmet lefties sucks
jade dust
**you deal with urshifu with amoonguss**
Yeah fair unless safety googles
molten oasis
you want trick room, im not kidding
trick room on calyrex is very valuable
you're not forced to lead cress to set tr and it can do it itself, less momentum loss
jade dust
Alright another concern, how do I deal with pelipper? Immune to high horsepower and glacial lance blocked by wide guard. I can at least 2hko it with seed bomb
molten oasis
im pretty sure you get to hit water with that additional grass coverage for SE
how did you manage to make a team so unbelivably weak to pelipper
knotty mirage
I have question does AV blood moon still work for this reg ?
jade dust
I have question does AV blood moon still work for this reg ?
Life orb better
jade dust
how did you manage to make a team so unbelivably weak to pelipper
Yeah that’s why seed bomb is kinda a need
molten oasis
okay well since you kinda explode to it, bloodmoon can be that i guess
molten oasis
Yeah that’s why seed bomb is kinda a need
well no you need a team change
i genuinely think the cress needs to go but whatever, uh
if you add raging bolt over, uhm, skele and then add incin over mienshao that could be better
knotty mirage
Hmm i'm not sure if i want to use throat spray and life orb already been hog by caly
molten oasis
which one
jade dust
i *genuinely* think the cress needs to go but whatever, uh
She does her job well and I really want to keep her. I know Farigiraf is better support but cress is tankier and lives a lot of hits fari won’t
molten oasis
you're not talking about ice rider i hope
molten oasis
She does her job well and I really want to keep her. I know Farigiraf is better ...
prove it
knotty mirage
No it's the shadow one
molten oasis
which hits, name them
jade dust
Dark tera wicked blow
jade dust
Helping hand electro drill
molten oasis
drift*
thats kind of unfair to throw out, miraidon just ohkos everything and cress is the exception because its bulkier
jade dust
if you add raging bolt over, uhm, skele and then add incin over mienshao that co...
Is raging bolt good against Zamasenta?
molten oasis
k whatever you're so focused on using it im not gonna stop you cuz i dont think i can convince you to remove it
jade dust
thats kind of unfair to throw out, miraidon just ohkos everything and cress is t...
Flareblizt sun koraidon too
knotty mirage
could go spell tag
I'm not sure of using that too tho because the only thing that boosted by it is astral barrage that can be shutdown by wide guard and it will not boost my caly single attack move
molten oasis
koraidon's weaker than miraidon but ok
molten oasis
I'm not sure of using that too tho because the only thing that boosted by it is ...
okay
that sucks, a lot of the caly's are runninig sitrus and cloak
you'll be fine, paste?
jade dust
Huh sitrus on caly?
knotty mirage
Might need a while to makes that this is in game team
molten oasis
does anyone stay updated, k
bulky CSR has picked up due to it not needing much special attack investment to sweep teams
grim neigh lets it just snowball with ease
it is usually next to clef
jade dust
Anyway, is raging bolt good against zama? Cuz the whole point of Ske is to counter zama
molten oasis
its okay into it
molten oasis
idt skele is good for CIR it wants incin
as the fire option
pelipper helps as well, have you seen a caly ice team?
jade dust
Incineroar is very good and I wanted to put it in but Mieshao really helps into caly ice mirro
And I have had a bunch of those
molten oasis
incineroar does that as well
jade dust
Bulk up my caly really helps me win against other caly ice
Coaching is very good
And Mieshao deletes enemy incineroar
molten oasis
sure, incin also helps with mirrors by wisping the ice rider but mienshao is fair
could also try scarf annihilape with final gambit
jade dust
I have seen that here and there yeah
jade dust
It’s scary cuz Idk if protect caly and set trick room with cress to anhialape can’t final gambit, but they read that sometimes and do coaching on their caly instead of final gambit
knotty mirage
that sucks, a lot of the caly's are runninig sitrus and cloak
Oh yeah just wondering what the benefit with giving caly s covert i mean isn't it already immune to fake out anyway ?
molten oasis
snarl
knotty mirage
Ah right
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2167100980 did i do good here, or did i make a few mistakes ive misse
jade dust
sure, incin also helps with mirrors by wisping the ice rider but mienshao is fai...
That is more inconsistent cuz one of the most common tera for caly ice is fire. Water is very popular too but fire still is used a lot
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2167100980 did i do good here...
my game plan was to get dengo and zama alone together
molten oasis
i hate this fucking horse, mm
molten oasis
That is more inconsistent cuz one of the most common tera for caly ice is fire. ...
knock off and parting shot then
im complaining about shadow rider
unfair piece of shit pokemon
molten oasis
no
jade dust
Well unless they have clefa
molten oasis
it runs after you clef so it doesnt lose tot r
jade dust
it runs after you clef so it doesnt lose tot r
Correction, if you have amoonguss
My bad
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
knotty mirage
unfair piece of shit pokemon
Well it's 90$ pokemon
molten oasis
i thought it was slower
molten oasis
Well it's 90$ pokemon
i dont fucking care man
im so sick of losing to astral barrage
timber falcon
wide guard though
molten oasis
...
molten oasis
i cant fit a wide guard mon on the stuff im running
jade dust
Well, Mieshao is very flexible
molten oasis
i just lost to a zacian thank god he doesn't click protect
no its not its used for calyrex and calyrex only
jade dust
I have seen it in koraidon teams
timber falcon
i cant fit a wide guard mon on the stuff im running
whats ur team again?
molten oasis
because incin is my line for CIR
jade dust
I know you don’t get knock off or parting shot but in trade you get wide guard
molten oasis
why aer you running specs hoodra-
molten oasis
encore beartic
jade dust
because incin is my line for CIR
Honestly blood moon is really scary for caly ice
molten oasis
HOW
jade dust
Blood moon 1 shoots it
With tera normal
Or does like 80% hp
Also blood moon is good against caly s
It hits through ghost
While immune to astral barrage
timber falcon
Honestly blood moon is really scary for caly ice
timber falcon
Low ladder shenanigans 🔥
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/ff415486af23e6b6 here you go heres my dogshit team
timber falcon
Oh I thought you were using zac
molten oasis
i beat CSR with zac
chrome knot
great i got encore spammed by a beartic
tbf beartic just t4’d tuesday tour lmao
molten oasis
it did?
chrome knot
yeahhh
timber falcon
Is gambit one of your caly answers
chrome knot
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
chrome knot
swift swim
jade dust
Fuck smeargle tho
molten oasis
oh yea i think i just fought that, at least those 6
jade dust
Fuck spore and decorate
zinc totem
do i want koraidon be jolly or adamant? 
jade dust
Do you have tailwind?
zinc totem
yes
jade dust
Adamant then
molten oasis
do i want koraidon be jolly or adamant? <:arch_hazel_think:1067090300423639110>
jolly is generally the pick
outspeeding everything is nice, at least i think they're all jolly rn
maybe bulkier ones are adamant
jade dust
Lmfao I won a game by intentionally failing protect
zinc totem
jolly is generally the pick
yeah was thinking that cuz im max speed max attack but had to make sure if its Adamant or Jolly even with tailwind
zinc totem
zinc totem
max max is typically jolly
Jolly mint it is
molten oasis
perfect, a caly with clef, time to test gambit
jade dust
I had my caly on tera water against tera electric raging bolt and surging shift. My trick room ended so I protect caly and trick room for a second time with cress. They double target my cress and survived low. I expect the thunder clap so I protect again and expect shifu to take down cress. Protect fails and thunder claps fail too and shifu knocks cress
Then I bring amoonguss and rage powder
And I win
Rage powder makes thunder claps fail so a glacial lance ends the game
Winning by doing nothing one turn
molten oasis
ofc, they have sash shifu not scarf and i lose bcuz its tera normal not fairy
after i read the tera, fckn hell
jade dust
Sash is very common actually
molten oasis
thank you shrekers
zinc totem
do i want meteor or pulse for raging bolt?
jade dust
More in dark shifu but water one uses it a lot too
molten oasis
do i want meteor or pulse for raging bolt?
booster or av
zinc totem
booster or av
AV
molten oasis
draco
zinc totem
thanks. i wanted confirm cuz i've seen both run haha
@molten oasis cuz these are EVs i run
Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpA / 52 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
molten oasis
im gonna quit i hate calyrex i think it ruins the game
zinc totem
im gonna quit i hate calyrex i think it ruins the game
calyrex is such broken pokemon ngl
its good there is ways deal with it but holy hell its pain to play around too
molten oasis
its good there is ways deal with it but holy hell its pain to play around too
doesnt feel like it
zinc totem
doesnt feel like it
yeah it kinda requires speed control or scarf mainly
tho support pokemon around caly makes it that broken like clefairy 
crimson merlin
I need to show off my party so i can ask for help later, ive been struggling in competitive
jade dust
Wo chein went from the worst to very good. It’s actually very annoying to deal with it
jade dust
They go tera poison and set leech on your 2 mons and has leftovers
It recovers so much hp
cyan smelt
Are most csrs covert cloak now
zinc totem
im curious why koraidons run flame charge even as Jolly?
molten oasis
extra speed so they can outspeed everything
zinc totem
yeah, i just rarely click it so i try think when its timed normally
jade dust
Are most csrs covert cloak now
To avoid snarl yes
Or fake out if they tera fairy
But by default it’s immune to fake out
Those bulk invested caly s are annoying but being bulk invested can go against them. I had a match that they failed to ohko caly ice and amoonguss
And they ate a +2 glacial lance and got 1 shot anyway
zinc totem
Are most csrs covert cloak now
pretty much if they dont run tornadus
jade dust
Lol they are running stored power cress
That actually deals a lot of damage
And it’s so tanky
mighty stump
im curious why koraidons run flame charge even as Jolly?
You use it to outspeed CSR, Zacian and any Booster Spe FMs or Scarf mons
zinc totem
You use it to outspeed CSR, Zacian and any Booster Spe FMs or Scarf mons
i see i see. so its to make sure in tailwind alwayss outspeeds most mons
molten oasis
so true
bronze vessel
i hate battling random people all this guy did was spam legendaries and hypnosis
balmy glen
i hate battling random people all this guy did was spam legendaries and hypnosis
I don’t think Pokémon is for you then
Everyone you battle is a random person lol
bronze vessel
i hate people who just use all legends on their team
bold geode
Everyone you battle is a random person lol
Ayo Keanu was good got a question for ya
I got AV Rilla and T Wave on a team
You think it'd be sensible to have Rilla outspeed Adamant Scarf Shifu after T Wave?
balmy glen
I got AV Rilla and T Wave on a team
You think it'd be sensible to have Rilla out...
I’d say so ye
bold geode
Ok pog
chrome knot
VGC Twitter be like
all pokemon twitter*
junior patrol
Hey is Lycanroc any good on sand teams?
bold geode
@balmy glen one more question, just making sure I'm doing math right
Since Scarf Ursh hit 223 with Scarf, wouldn't it be 112 to outspeed with T Wave cuz it'll go to 111.5 and get rounded down?
gentle delta
Hey is Lycanroc any good on sand teams?
In this format Sand aint great but in Reg A to Reg C Ttar + Lycan was a VERY legit core.
gentle delta
i hate people who just use all legends on their team
Then Pokemon isnt a game for you. Being a “legendary” is not a defining trait of a Pokemons usability in competitive
People are going to use what wins and if you have an issue with that you’re the problem. Not them.
junior patrol
In this format Sand aint great but in Reg A to Reg C Ttar + Lycan was a VERY leg...
Ah I see, I'm mostly just trying out different teams and having fun in casual battles and a bit of ranked. Made it all the way to Great Ball 9 so far
gentle delta
sands biggest issue now compared to other 3 weathers is there are no restricted legendaries that can really abuse it
junior patrol
In this format Sand aint great but in Reg A to Reg C Ttar + Lycan was a VERY leg...
Also I looked onto VGC and saw that Sylveon was used and I wanted to know how good or bad that one is cause I know it's hidden ability is good
gentle delta
Sylveon is the same kinda thing, REALLY good but a little low power for the now broken format
junior patrol
sands biggest issue now compared to other 3 weathers is there are no restricted ...
That makes sense honestly. Maybe one day
gentle delta
Restricted Legendaries tend to warp everything around them