#competitive_discussion
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Yeah true
yes
yep
30K FOR A MIRROR HERB?
Anything else?
i barely have enough lp for that (i have 3k pokedollars)
tbf-
it’s a pretty good item but you only really need one
Well ye that’s cheap
Besides haze and clear smog?
how long does it take for it to work?
you just have to go in and then go back out-
no waiting 
oh
whats a good dedenne set
so i set up picnic wait 1-2 seconds take down then repeat?
if you wanna deal with zamazenta and its defense boost-
you can-
- use a special attacker
- use a defense lowering move instead like thunderous kick, leer, etc
- bring an urshifu for crits
- get lucky and crit
- brute force and somehow murder it
make sure theres an open move slot and u just exit right out of the picnic and check
oh it worked on the first picnic
you only need to go in and out once
thats after you gave achu mirror herb and it has 3 moves :3
Haze
Having something that threatens it
Gholdengo
Chandelure
Chi Yu and Lando threaten it
Hiding from learning I see
oh no nvm

bonnet is


im going broke from buying vitamins for my mons

Oh wait Toxapex learns both haze and wide guard
well...
i have no clue what im doing but hey looks like i finished the team
@bold geode
https://pokepast.es/64be4f7dd7c8e4fc
Why is Clefable there
unaware follow me for things like cm bolt and stuff
though its a bit...
outdated...
legit don't know but let Nova cook
also to deal with dozogiri players that
still exist apperently
Ah lol
I was boutta say
I mean,Sinclair is one of the Dozogiri Players lol
well..
Thats a game one flopped
i forgor that my tailwind went down
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but hey-
Specs hadron engine ice blast did enough
oops
my clefable has present
oof
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cir winning vr tour
how r u watching
Calyrex:With Max Bulk
Iron Crown:Aight Bet
nice nice
Feel bad for the guy I just beat.
At that high of elo -29 is like a nuclear bomb going off.
Just some funny Moment i have when i faced a Cart Ladder:
somehow the Calyrex did not Tera
im not, im in the vr server and they announced the winning team/player

He stronk holy shit
ash's rowlet
aka the god of Gods
(Except Bidoof)
This move becomes a physical attack if the user's Attack is greater than its Special Attack, including stat stage changes. This move and its effects ignore the Abilities of other Pokemon.
Psychic
Special
200
—
1 (1.6)
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
I see, so burning jealousy is effective against Zamasenta
oooo burning jealousy isnt a bad idea but you'll have to catch it on the turn it gets the dauntless boost
otherwise you wont get the 100% burn
Or if they use iron defense
Something very troll is to use burning jealousy and haze next turn
yeah
For 5 turns, the user and its party members are protected from having their stat stages lowered by other Pokemon. Fails if the effect is already active on the user's side.
Ice
Status
0
—
30 (48)
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
Affected by Snatch.
So yeah chandelure is a good idea to counter Zamasenta
It learns burning jealousy and is immune to body press
mhm
im a calyrex ice rider girl
give me any pokemon that can actually do damage and i can make them work ¯_(ツ)_/¯
calyrex ice rider
been there done that-
Mewtwo
done 
ok, do a damage based Lugia
done-
https://pokepast.es/de68e22045878b83
was one of the first to pick up lugia after seeing it in a regionals
Ok, how about Base Necrozma
guess thats next
try again

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.
Flying
Special
100
95
5 (8)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.
Any thoughts of a fun team that either wins or loses fast?
specs miraidon teams
i mean-
mostly win though-
right?

Is Scarf Calyrex Shadow becoming a more common thing?
Really?
No
Bro fought the same guy
Nah.
Different guys every time.
To be fair though the last one I fought was using Maushold and Pawmot... So maybe not the best team to sample.
Although they were really high ladder so maybe they know something I don't.
CSR does not need Scarf lol
it’s called overkill
How else am I gonna e able to outspeed the format? My base speed? Nah
Yeah
Like fuckin Scarf Eleki
Well I mean it allows for them to outspeed booster speed flutter and it allows them to run modest.
It isn't ridiculous.
Like why do you really need something to be moving at 300 without any investment
yep
To hit harder? I'm not entirely sure but they were real high on ladder so clearly it was working.
*short king
This was the team is you guys were curious.
With Scarf Caly.
Shoot, it didn't change.
There.
It's a wild team but it seems fun.
hoi
Keep switching in Miradion instead of Ursa BM when I have tr up D:
Will say it's neato burrtio that Grimsnarl is getting some love lately
Like usage?
Yeah I've been seeing him a lot lately. Though I'm in lower bracket so that could be why
Hit harder? Are you saying it was Scarf or Specs now
Scarf makes them go faster
I was talking about modest scarf.
^
at that point-
run modest sash with tailwind
Hey man, if it was working it was working. Can’t discredit that guy. Higher than I’ve ever been in ladder.
I really like ice caly too
Helping hand glacial lance
Or hhp
It ohko incineroar
What tera type do Calyices run most commonly?
I’ve seen a lot of all 3 starter types but mostly fire or water.
I’ve seen a bunch of grass actually.
Really?
I guess to avoid spore yes
Still the third most used one I think.
I use ice just to guarantee kos
Yeah I’ve seen ice as well.
FWG is the most common lol in that order
Yup.
I saw dragon the other day.
Seemed legit until Fluttermane.
Its also to not explode to Water Spouts for Kyogre, Grass/Water
i would say wfg is more common from what i’ve encountered
I don’t worry much about burn cuz I have lunar blessing cresselia
fwg is everywhere
Ooh that’s smart.
but fantasy core
is not as common
Fire (and ice Tera ig) is just prey to rock coverage
incin shifu rilla/amoonguss is like, everywhere lol
but still equally as fun to play
The main reason I use cresselia as my trick room setter is lunar blessing
I get too many freebie pins
its great
running a rock guy?
Rock Ogerpon!!
ah the, yea ok
Aww.
ik what he means
yea harc
harc
Harc was my second guess.
sounds good for ice rider
Yeah it does actually.
if you dont get high horsed into oblivion
Lol what? I played exclusively Caly-I at the start of Reg G and it was Grass Tera to avoid Spores 
I don’t even care if you Tera tbh
grass is around
I still OHKO
does uh, head smash just ohko?
I would assume so.
HH Head Smash OHKOs always
thats awesome
Jeez.
the CIR delete button
Still pretty good.
thats super good lol
I was helping my teammate prep against Dillon/CIR and we found out that CIR lives Ivy Cudgel from Tera LO Grasspon + Surging Strikes or CC naturally
I just saw "nobody runs Grass" and was like... what?
thats uh, wtf
balanced pokemon right there
Still super undecided what I'm playing at my local. Thought about Screens Terapagos. Like Chi-Yu, Lando-I, Waterpon, Raging Bolt, Grimm, Terapagos 🤷
Tera grass seed bomb Calyice‼️‼️
No
plz dont
sounds decent
could go flutter over lando potentially
Waterpon/Chi/Lando/Bolt is a pretty solid core.
yea
Actually there’s this ladder legend that uses Tera Grass Seed Bomb Calyice with Trapinch.
I mean if people playing on ladder don't know who they are, are they really a legend?
See: handicapping self.
thats your opinion ig
It is my opinion.
If they can get multiple account to T500 with Trapinch, in my eyes they are sick.
🤷
okay then
its something
Ladder results are good and all but I don't think anyone in their right mind is taking Trapinch to anything serious.
Oh probably not.
And like it really depends on if it's OTS or CTS
I just think it’s way out of the box.
CTS, you can win with a LOT of junk
yep
and I was caught in a passive position
Feint I think is more of a read thing. If you get the read right it's good, but otherwise it's pretty iffy.
For sure.
It’s great for TR though because naturally faster teams with try and stall it out.
But feint prevents that entirely.
And Trapinch still has 100 base atk stat. Nothing crazy but that Ground + Ice combo is deadly from Trapinch and Calyice.
It’s super sick.
Fits my playstyle perfectly
Super situational though.
Good for breaking sashes and stuff like that but if you can’t predict a protect it’s pretty much a useless move.
Eh, chip
I guess?
Its more of a neutral gain cause like
If you’re not doing anything else in that turn anyways
Might as well cover for a Protect
True.
No reads required
It’s definitely more for Pokémon like Trapinch or Hitmontop.
Where they might have a turn where they can’t do anything else useful.
hi tofu
Morning Tofu
Should i do phsyic or dream eater
Morning
what mon is it
go sleep
okok
Yeah they try to do that on me a lot, but once my trick room runs out then I protect my Calyrex and trick room with cress again. Now it becomes a dps check if they have enough fire power to KO my cresselia. Or if they have a support out with taunt and I already spent mental herb, helping hand glacial lance
Helping hand comes before anything
So can’t taunt that
It’s hard to KO all the opponents within 5 turns but that’s fine a lot of the time, I did enough damage and kos to put my opponent in a checkmate situation specially if my caly is healthy
VictoryRoad top 16 stats
oh bolt?
thats kinda cool
Why tf is there a Wiggler in there
Crazy ass crossover
@bold geode
Alright how do I get my rusted shield into pokemon scarlet? Just tried trading my zamazenta into home from shield and then into scarlet and the item disappeared
Go to the auction
I wanted to use trick room without Amoonguss but I gave up on that
Amoonguss is almost a “must use” in tr
Pollen puff moving first is so valuable as well as clear smog and spores
What lol
Even if they taunt, that clear smog and pollen puff heal are really valuable
Amoongus is not a must use in tr at all
Well it feels like it, it’s super valuable support specially in tr
I mean ig it might make sense for that for low ladder
Lol Amoonguss is one of the top grass of all time, arguably the best grass
It has more competition now yes
With Ogerpon and Rillaboom
rilla > moongus > cornerstone
it depends on which reg but rn yeah Rillaboom stonks is huge
Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Facade, Fling, Flower Trick, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leafage, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Night Slash, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Quick Attack, Scratch, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, U-turn
Aura Sphere, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Disarming Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mud-Slap, Pollen Puff, Power Gem, Shadow Ball, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast
Agility, Ally Switch, Charm, Copycat, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Grassy Terrain, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Leech Seed, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Substitute, Tail Whip, Taunt, Toxic Spikes, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meowscarada.
Grass/Dark
Overgrow, Protean (Hidden)
76/110/70/81/70/123
530
And the team composition
I think Rillaboom is less of an use if you are using incineroar
flowie trick, ally switch, protect, sucker punch i guess-
Ah Support Meow I see
With Sash Most Likely?
wait with What Team tho
Idk why the kitty isn’t top pick. It fell off after the first format
And has a very good move in flower trick

That move is very good
giratina
People use giratina?
you doing my fav legendary! YEY
Ghost/Dragon
Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)
150/100/120/100/120/90
680
Giratina-Origin
it’s surprisingly bulky
The user swaps its Ability with the target's Ability. Fails if either the user or the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Embody Aspect, Hunger Switch, Ice Face, Illusion, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Poison Puppeteer, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shell, Tera Shift, Teraform Zero, Wonder Guard, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero.
Psychic
Status
0
—
10 (16)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Bypasses substitute.
Does not make contact.
its that People don't like how passive it is but with right team it can work
I mean it also doesn’t have support moves really
Or impressive attacks
Also does black kyurem finally learn an ice move that isn’t ice punch?
Cause Urshifu exists
so which form tho
literally the better pokemon for the job anyway
and at the time Meowscarada was only good to try and deal with Dondozo
And even then it wasn’t the best
and Garg ig but whatever
Lol Murkrow existed as well
Priority haze
Maybe if protean wasn’t bad now it would be way better
Protean didn’t need that nerf
Not like Greninja and Cinder were top threats outside of smogoon
They were broken in singles but in the official format they were never top picks
fuck it i'll make a giratina team just for the curiousity
Greninja was used back in Generation 6,As a Decently good Support Pokemon
(Its not the best but it was considered by Some players)
regular is more bulky, origin is more offense oriented
I thought it was only Uber in smogoon
Ghost/Dragon
Levitate
150/120/100/120/100/90
680
Giratina
@solid frigate also I respect your pfp and name. Xenoblade 2 is one of my favorite games of all time
I spent like 800 hours on it
in 2014 Greninja often Pair with Venusaur to create Swamp Effect fromWater and Grass Pledge
The problem with origin is to give up the item slot just to transform
What is the effect of pledge again?
it wasn't that big of a deal cuz of it basically give a damage boost
Water+Grass=Swamp
Fire + Water is rainbow i think? increase the Odds of Secondary effect i think
What does swamp do?
and Swamp lowers speed?
but then again it does not matter cuz the only starters here that are good is incin and Rilla and Primarina is kinda not great in this regulation
Yeah water fairy is really good and she has good spc atk but her hp and def are lacking
If she had better hp and def she would definitely get more use
Liquid voice is a nice ability too
Water hypervoice
its not really that i sjust
If you wanna use a Water Type in this Reg,Use Either Pelipper,Urshifu and Kyogre
Or Ogerpon
Ogerpon Water Stonks are dropping
yep
60% fickle beam-
i had fun with that
not anymore
it’s a good check into calyice
and fire types
anyways here’s the team i made for giratina
https://pokepast.es/7573b78b15710845
I mean grass rock isn’t bad
It covers a lot of each other’s weaknesses
But in terms of ability and Terra bost
Def is kinda meh boost
pspspspspss
@solid frigate
Grass rock is weak to ice, flying and fighting right? But it hits back ice and flying too
Oh wait it’s weak to steel too
And bug?
Yeah rock doesn’t resist bug for a reason
Well 5 weaknesses
why did i suddenly thought about Guard Split with Gratina-
Empoleon mentioned!!!
yep
Anyone got recommendations for a plug in counter to SCaly? Probably having the most difficultly handling that mon atm
sucker punch chien pao, tailwind support with electro drift miraidon, fiery wrath galarian moltres
galarian moltres is my personal go to
I'll Make the Origin form Team then,got an Idea with Gastrodon
https://pokepast.es/5a98aac628826800
I did not cook a full course meal-
What item for farigiaf
Thanks for the suggestions!
slybeggar has given 1 Gen Rep to stella_novie
depends on Team,Cuz Miraidon Teams Fari mostly have Electric Seed,If not then Safety Goggles
I was thinking in a rain team with Kyoger and Archaludon, anti trick room with imprisson and helping hand
is the rest of the team Tornadus, Landorus, and Overqwil by any chance?
there is one team with Kyogre so i think it can work
I was thinking rock Ogerpon, tornadus and Urshifu
Well overquill is a good idea
@craggy dagger guess what
Did you play W1 Emma?
yes awhile ago
did u win
no
Dam
no
finally my PC is back to normal
thats hilarious
this is just me with my restricteds choice
i have to make competitive Memes on my choices fr
how you doin that
Well necro lunala is slower
Which can be good
It has better stats except hp
lunala is considered better due to its ability
I used nekro luna in my trick room team back in Sword with my caly ice
Was nice to have 2 restricted
Yeah that ability is better
Photoshop
sneaking in lunala is crazy here
If this Pokemon is at full HP, damage taken from attacks is halved.
Been steadily climbing ladder here with this team
This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from supereffective attacks.
It’s very niche but I’m having success https://pokepast.es/8f3128e3bddcca90
Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's stat stages.
Isn’t that just clear body
Yes
i guess that works-
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i sometimes wonder why people run the sets they do
until i scroll to the bottom where it shows the match elo

Lol
good morning everyone
ohhh interesting
👍
I need two more pokemon for an online team, I got a hydrapple, ceruledge, hisuian zoroark, and a primarina
Any suggestions?
Would anyone be willing to give me a second opinion on a team i'm designing?
I mean you still have a slot for a restricted mon
sure, post the team in here
@next stump patcon farig variant is kinda heat
tho i need a new bolt spread its too slow
ok lol
yeah pls delete that lmao
at the bottom of the teambuilder on showdown, click create pokepaste
and then send that URL
ok

swarm scizzor hm
does it have swarm? i thought i put technichian
its set as swarm but i assume you want to put technichian cause its banded with lower than base 60 moves
yeah
minus u turn :3
well we found the first problem 😅
what is Patcon
patrick connors
the cir naic team right
the EV's on ogerpon are interesting if you're planning to use ogerpon as more of a support-
Though i think if you're running attackpon then you're fine
What do you swap fari on on that
peli
Man, Choice Scarf Lando-I has been doing some work for me lately.
i think follow me is rlly only there if i need to set up or stall or smth
mhm that’s fun I’ll probably try that
I feel like weezing deserves to win worlds I love him
hey i did use Lunala for a bit before my top 3 most used Restricteds
I completely forgot about Dawn Wings
Psychic/Ghost
Prism Armor
97/113/109/157/127/77
680
Necrozma
sorry I got caught up with work:
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Miraidon set is standard and solid, nothing much to say there.
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Not entirely sure what Scizor is on the team for. It does pressure the grass types that resist Miraidon, but I feel like there are better options that do the same thing.
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Incineroar is a solid choice on these teams, but if you do opt to replace Scizor with something like Chi-Yu, this slot can be Iron Hands pretty easily.
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I really don't think offensive Farig is great in this meta. I've tried it myself but it feels like the Throat Spray set is too slow to get set up, especially when Farig is mostly on these types of teams to enable Miraidon
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I feel like Ogerpon Rock fits the team more than Ogerpon Water. It gives you an inbuilt focus sash, the ability to pressure stuff like Calyrex-Ice, and just overall fits the offensive dynamic of the team more than Ogerpon Water.
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I am not sure what Regieleki is doing on this team TBH. It does benefit from Electric Terrain, but you really don't need that when Miraidon is sooooo strong itself. This slot would probably be better off being something like Whimsicott that can set tailwind, pressure with Encore, and threaten Raging Bolt with Moonblast that the team otherwise struggles a bit into.
Dillon what fari set are you using
So got the zama team I'm using up to 1800 on showdown. Made it on cart and ended up losing game one in pokeball tier lmfao. Not sure why I found it so funny but I did.
psychic noise/foul play/helping hand/trick room right now
What Tera?
no worries! after testing a bit i came to the same conclusion that fari was not great on this team so i was thinking tornadus or whimsicott.
I added eleki cause i wanted pure offensive power, thought his spatk stat was higher tbh
Farig is almost mandatory on specs Miraidon teams
it's really weak to fake out otherwise, unless you run something like Ghost tera
ok
what tera u on? im on fairy still but i might go fire
so prob run electric seed or smth rather than throat spray?
Yep
bouncing between fire and water RN
but also between CIR teams right now
currently testing out the electabuzz one
E-Seed on Fari able to Live Chien Pao's Throat Chop
thats wild
i mean its +1 Defense
i assume w 252 health evs
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. +1 228 HP / 100 Def Farigiraf: 134-162 (59.8 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
why Fire and Water
nooo dont do itttt
i changed a few teras around, added farig & completely redid my bolt spread
bc losing the bolt speed race is match losing at times
just curious what EV spread do u have?
The first major tournament of the Regulation G format has concluded and Miraidon was able to win the entire thing! Rajan Bal was able to defeat nearly 700 other competitors to take home the Indianapolis Regional Championships with a team centered around Choice Specs Miraidon. With Electric Terrain, Choice Specs, Electric Tera, and some of the mo...
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water was mostly for the Kyogre matchup
bolt rilla gang
Brick Break is good in dealing with Screens honestly
If this attack does not miss, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, and Aurora Veil end for the target's side of the field before damage is calculated.
Fighting
Physical
75
100
15 (24)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Makes contact.
Close Combat better, although honestly it's probably better to not use Scizor? I haven't seen one in quite a while
thats like the second time i saw someone uses Scizor in this chat
especially that team does not have a Ground type to abuse Discharge
protect eh it works but Miraidon is choice locked so it needs to spam
Im going to make fari tera ground
idk why i feel like scizor's coverage is good here
maybe its just choice band/technician/stab bullet punch sounds too good
You gotta think about the common pokemon and what you're actually hitting with that though
Flutter Mane usage is down, Calyrex-Ice still loses to fire types like Chi-Yu, etc.
honestly i would use Iron Crown Over that-
Calyrex Shadow Rider with Tera Fairy?
Cuz idk thats my Only Thought
would gholdengo work instead of scizor?
personally not a fan of that
cuz you mostly run Tera Normal against Calyrex Shadow or something that benefit from it like Tera Water or Tera Fairy
Tera Ground Ghouldengo sounds a bit wrong
idk i was thinking assault vest tera fairy
you can test with Gholdengo but I also don't really see how it's better than something like Chi-YU
i might sound dumb as sh!t rn tho
you don't sound dumb, that's what this chat is for
plus pokemon isn't objective, other stuff can work but you have to just try it out and see
i did with Iron Crown lol so yeah
But Chi Yu sounds the perfect one
ok
ill try some matches with chi yu and gholdengo see what i like more
what do chi yu sets normally look like?
Wait lemme get one
on those teams, normally choice scarf with heat wave/overheat/dark pulse/4th move
tera ground for discharge immunity or tera ghost for fake out immunity
Jade Lava (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 212 HP / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Dark Pulse
- Overheat
- Snarl
This one is mine from the Terapagos Team
Heat Wave for Spread Damage and Overheat as a Nuke Button
spread moves are 75% as strong
ok
doesn't really affecting Chi Yu cuz of the ability
Fite tera reshirim is rough to deal with as zamazenta lmao
Had light screen and rain up and still almost 1hko my zama
Wait Reshiram-
oooo what team?
Reshiram or kyurem white?
Dragon/Fire
Turboblaze
100/120/100/150/120/90
680
cybertron vids are goated
fr
genuinely one of the best for newer and experienced players alike imo
really bridges that gap w/ his content
its just his content is very genuine opinions from him
him and wolfey were the 2 vgc guys i watched wen i first started
He has nice hair too
Tryna get like him fr
well what i mean is his analysis/explanations are able to reach newer players to understand high level thought process and when you know more, you can watch it with a different lens and know what hes talkin about even more
Wolfey,Cybertron and Moxie for me but rn when i search Terapagos VGC
A lot of them are Clickbaits,like its not unstoppable yall
exactly
Moxie is clickbait tbh
I wouldn’t call cybertron or wolfey clickbait
yea im not a huge fan of moxies content but he def knows the game
tbf he does explain in regular basis
Just not as good as the duo does
hes not misleading w/ using off the wall teams
so idk if id call him clickbait, hes just in a different wheelhouse
yea hes a good player
Yea def
we do love another wo chien supporter in our community
nd wen he uses troll shit like hes an honest on what its use cases are so i respect that
some ppl really do have clickbait shit
His videos remind me of wolfes rather cybertron
i personally dont think moxie does it, and if he does its not much
he also has really good thumbnails
i feel like that is the most of the community
it is
and the Jokes are just comedy gold sometimes
Thinking the save thing lmao
which is why i dont watch most vgc content haha
i really hate jamee baeks content tho
if you wanna watch those then watch the trio
great player, not so great content

that’s a lot of vgc content rn 😢
most of them are misleading
yea i think a lot can survive off the strength of being a good player but like if imma watch it its gta be informative and entertaining
atleast 1 of those
i feel like the clickbait ones are just don't really have that deep knowledge or if they do they just idk
I think cybertron is peak vgc content tho
Wolfe is great but a lot of of his popularity is his world champ status and imo isn’t as in depth as aarons
He’s still great tho
im mainly just cybertron and tub takes, sableyevgc every now and then and wolfey sometimes (depends what kind of wolfey content)
Wolfey has in depth stuff,just go to Patreon
oh joeux9 sometimes too, sometimes his vids are decent info
tbf he did took that as a full time job
im not paying for that haha
haven't watched Ray Rizzo for a while idk how he does
kek
Why do that when I can just watch Aaron Lol
oh ray rizzo i watched occasionally but some of his vids didnt catch my interest
that 1 video on whose the best ever was cool
i think Ray Rizzo content is at least reliable in some extent,its not clickbait
nah hes not like that
like 3 times world champion man come on
idt its possible in the modern vgc era
its a hard task to do,let alone old World Champs like Wolfey
the Meta game shifted too fast
His upload schedules scares me tho 😭
yea its tough af to do once
plus the metagame shifted too fast during gen 8-9
its like 6 months off, 3 vids in 2 months, 3 months off, 1 vid, etc
ppl had like half a year b4 2022 worlds haha
maybe 2023 u could argue w/ reg d being a new format but yea
i mean tbf thats in the pandemic so everyone did not do that much stuff in irl
But Gen 9
oml i can't stress enough
yeah i agree
tho despite Gen 9 being so fast
I do love the diversity of teams
like in reg F there are plenty of archetypes
reg f was pretty diverse, reg e i think as well
It went up in diversity after reg c
I think reg c was just variants of palabalance
idk reg a and b were pretty diverse
Started reg c but I’d guess that it’s because new game no one knew what was good with the gimmick
yea even reg d gets flack but it wasnt just torn/urshi tho those were the top guys
yeah cuz Cress Luna is also Popular during the time
same
they need to give us a good water starter that has fake out to complete the trifecta
Frrr
oh yeah Incin and Rilla are starters lol
triple fake out fwg core 
none of the water starters have been that good right?
yea but its blastoise
fringe use case for like prim, swampert etc
nothing rilla incin level
I mean like incin or rilla levels
nah
blastoise is like the guy who wanna be strong as heck but can't cuz gamefreak moment
yea lol
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stoise was ok in swsh for a cppl formats but nothing like rilla incin
gen 10 is the time
i mean who decided to give Blastoise Water Spout Lol
For blastoise?
no for a good water starter
tbh there’s not much reason to use a water starter let alone water Mon other than kyogre or shifu
Like you’d need a BROKEN water starter to compete with them
yeah Water Starters Stonks are sad
Ah
Primarina is probably the best one we have, maybe gen 10
there is if they arent legal but ik wat u mean
and singles Player if you say Greninja,thats only been good in XY times due to Water+Grass Pledge with Venusaur and Good Fast taunt in Gen 6
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yea gren didnt see the same play as meowscarada did in early gen 9 cuz it lacked a move like flower trick
yeah agree,i do love Greninja,its my fav but like
Its just not it chief
same for me w/ sceptile
At least Sceptile got something with Shed Tail,I'm using it in the draft League
Crazy secondary effects lmao
yeah welcome to Gen 6 Era
Lol
same with Greninja cuz fast taunt is not great when the median Speed Stat is like 120
Greninja just barely above it
and Flutter Mane
FUCKING EXISTS
Reshiram lol I'm 17-2 right now one of my 2 losses was to reshiram didn't really have an answer to it 😅 i brought pelliper because I knew it was going to fusion flare but figured with light screen and rain zama could take a couple of them. I was very wrong
150sp atk does not lie fr
- he tera fired lol
100bp
+stab too
Lol
Fusion Flare of Blue Flame tho
And my zama is tera grass so was just rough I think my only other option on my team would have been bringing bolt but decided not to in favor of chain pao
Which ever one don't see to many reshirams
idk as well
I'm really considering putting snarl on my bolt though in favor of thunderbolt

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
bolt with snarl is actually not bad all things consider
The bully monke stuff gets less funny every time I see it
yea it honestly prolly could have seen some use in series 1 or 2 but now its a wrap lol
yeah sad ;-;
Tho Greninja had a good run in Gen 6 i can't be mad about
better then nothing yea
It's good but ehhh personally i prefer volt switch
I really like volt switch on bolt
But it depends on what the team needs at the end of the day
unlike ahem
Meganium
https://pokepast.es/a71c853328d6655b thoughts?
yeah looks standard
tho Incin with that amount of Attack seems... weird cuz its not Flare Blitz Set
Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Knock Off
- Fake Out
- Parting Shot
If its non attacking AV set then this probably,used it a lot
Thx
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gonna play one more game of Miraidon
What’s it calced for
i have to check my notes,it was calc to live a Calyrex Ice Rider High Horse Power
and Urshifu's Close Combat in -1
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 154-182 (76.6 - 90.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
you dont need much to live cir hhp :v
its just insurance lel
+1 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 180-212 (89.1 - 104.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
if its +1 there is no chance in hell this incin is still healthy
yeah ikik
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drooling on my keyboard and pressing buttons tbh
Thoughts about this rain team?
I don’t have intimidate, fake out or wide guard which is something that I don’t like
But I didn’t have space for it
@bold geode your comp discussion ppl aren’t fun
i tagged the wrong person help
😭😭😭😭
that’s mb lmao
I was thinking in putting hitmontop
mrrrp-?
swift swim acid spray overqwil-
you get more damage boost with the -2SpD
Ok so
Kyogre - lefties is alright on it but I prefer something like av or specs or scarf even mystic water
Archa - I think you could prob invest more into sp def and sp atk and tera fairy imo
Torn - max sp atk usually also runs max spe with sash and ghost Tera for fake outs. U turn isn’t really great on it you could run rain dance in case Kroger’s rain ends
Ogerpon - I haven’t played with it much
Overqwil - also haven’t played with this much but liquidation over waterfall and watershifu clild be better over it
Fari - if you want FO imo it’d be over fari something like incin
AV is better,tho this team looks like Mystic Water or Specs Kyogre team
Ikr wtf
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2161590906
where else can you sweep w/ alcremie
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randbats is hilarious
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Yeah I did consider it
Cover cloak prevents fake out in tornadus
So does ghost Tera
imo cloak is better util
Yea but based on the set lmao
Isn't dark tera better for torn to block encore stuff
Nothing wrong with cloak but opt for a bulkier set
what’s the elephant-
uturn tornadus
Max sp atk max sp def 😭
I never said anything about the moveset
ig set better choice of words could be sued
set = moveset, spread = ev spread
I don’t really need tornadus to tank, if it gets KO even better for me so I get a clean switch in
And I don’t have to waste my tera just to prevent fake out, I can use it on Ogerpon or Kyoger for more damage
What I do consider is rain dance instead of U turn
Oh and lmao, I didn’t mean to invest in Spc Def, I meant speed
I don't think the role of a pokemon should ever be just to get ko'd but i get the point
Tera normal explosion eleki be like
lol
Yeah but Regieleki exploded to kill atleast another pokemon
Not just for a clean switch
Fair enough
just fought one but did not Tera
(Can't even kill my Miraidon kek)
Oh yk what just clicked for me
Rilla and shifu had more usage in the tournament that just happened than incin
I have seen that with metagross too
Tera normal explosion
Final gambit Anhialape
When you have limited turns in tailwind and trick room, you sometimes want your support to get KO so you can switch in your sweeper clean
Yea, people still try that stuff
Used to be common in the past
Gotta admit it caught me off guard lmao
The final gambit anhilape I expect it more so I switch in incineroar or something that I don’t need much to win the game
Rather lose inci or amoonguss than my caly
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Do you guys think CSR is fun to play with?
Csr?
Yea
Calyrex shadow rider
Ah
Why
I don’t like it lol
What’s the appeal
I like caly ice more
I don’t understand it
Neither I do
just like outspeeding and nuking everything
I prefer die because imo it’s more challenging to play csr is cool
I’m a very “I like playing off meta/anti meta” person but still
*cir not die lmao
Zac being the face of anti meta rn imo
It’s my favorite next to kyurem
Zac is like also really good with good partners
Kyurem is really cool and fun to play
I wanna see it win a regional
I use what I like the most but with some meta pics as well. I don’t pick trash mons either but nish ones yes
Maybe next reg
I hate kyurem
Why?
Like Swampert. I love swampert and learns wide guard
It’s a 170 base spa spread attack spammer
And most people don’t expect wide guard swampert
Like CSR
Psychic/Ghost
As One (Spectrier)
100/85/80/165/100/150
680
Calyrex
It has like decent bulk too
Yea I think it’s defenses should be nerfed to the ground
I tried using O Dialga but it’s bad sadly
Force it to be a frail attacker
Yea
Psychic/Ice
As One (Glastrier)
100/165/150/85/130/50
680
Calyrex
Bulky CSR is a dumb Mon to fight
I mean it does get 1 shot still from a glacial lance
It doesn’t
Yea esp with friend guard
Clefaory it’s common for csr
Nick naming lots of my shinies, need Crawdaunt nickname ideas
With eviolite is pretty bulky
Clef is extremely bulky
Not really, not compared to porygon 2 or dusklops
And where are they in the meta rn?
Fairy
Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)
70/45/48/60/65/35
323
yes they are bulkier
Heya would anyone be able to help me do a standard zamazenta set ev wise. Should u max def it? Not rly right
Porygon2 is used
Lol
Not much
i feel like you'd want max defense since basic zamazenta is built off of spamming body press
Especially over farigiraf
I was not sure ty for clarifying
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ofc!
What item to use on swampert to deal more damage, along with using wide guard
Muscle band?
I was using leftovers cuz swampert is tanky. And kinda hybrid. I use it to have wide guard while having ground and water coverage
Finally can say I've hit top 500 on both showdown ladder and Cart ladder!
My suggestion is obvious (don’t use it) but life orb is best for what you’re asking for
yeah i'd test it on showdown or smth to see if you prefer life orb or muscle band
Muscle band is just 10% right?
i think so
Do not use muscle band
ik life orb is 30
Muscle band sucks
I know pelipper is better option, but I like having earthquake and rock slide
Holder's physical attacks have 1.1x power.
But then I don’t have water
Run both replace smth else
what do u need water for?
What’s the team paste?
Tera fighting Incin?
I’d suggest Tera ghost incin as well
Lol doesn’t really mater since I never tera incineroar
it'll save you from a fake out down the line
Ghost also allows you to always win fake out wars
I usually tera cresselia or caly
And dodge body press from zama
Well that is true
Ok I always Tera my Kyurem, yiu still need to give your mons the best tera they need
also just any close combat mon
There will be situations where you need to Tera something else
But drop chandelure too? Then how I deal with Zamasenta
Peli deals with zama
It’s just a pain in the ass to farm tera crystal
Just weather ball/hurricane into it
Understandable but it’s worthwhile
I had a lot of fighting so I used that
Trust me change to ghost
do u have the dlc?
Yes
You can grind shards easier if you complete the dex
there are tera crystals everywhere in the terrarium
You can also farm shards in terrarium
Lmao I have like 160 registered
I completed the Pokédex of omega ruby, sword and legends arceus
in general magnezone and seampert aren’t very good, also why do you want eq and rock slide?
So I needed a break from all the grinds
I understand rock slide but eq isn’t a great move rn with rillaboom everywhere
As grassy terrain nerfs its damage
Yeah I don’t bring swampert if they have Rillaboom
You can then bring lando into rilla
what happens if rilla/zama?
Lando can run Tera flying Tera blast and wipe it off the planet
The main thing stopping me from using peli is that my team can resist urishu as it is, if I give him free rain then its over lol
And they often use sash so I cant 1 shoot it
Ah the Classic
Seriously Lando T really like it
Tho Im considering using tera water caly
bro i sat here for 5 mins like "it's gonna load... right?"
its for safety measures from the server cuz there are bots and trolls
Who do I need to change the tera type? Glastrier or caly? How does it even work? I know you keep the moves calyrex has but the evs and nature are glastier's? And the terra type?
ah ok
Caly,Glastrier does not matter in the fusion
So everything is calyrex's stuff? The ivs, evs and terra?
Also landorus t in trick room? With 91 speed I feel its gonna get bodied
didn't we told you about speed Tiers+Speed Interaction like Yesterday-
Yes but I have to fight other tr users too
Tho I can just not bring landorus
So thats fair
we told you that Lando is good in TR when Opponent is tailwinded
And 91 speed is fine in TR
I mean Dialga is 90 Speed and Palkia is 100 Speed
Lando t was previously mentioned?
no but,i just want to tell him that Lando t is fine in TR depends on set and circumstances
av lando probably
yeah
Tho is scarf lando T stonks or no
idk
thanks incin
well not even wait lol
it just straight up fell off and its other form is better
RIP Landorus Therian
2012-2018
2018 is when Intimidate Incin is here so yeah not 2017 kek
Well idk
Nah Lando didn't die in 2018
He wants eq and rock slide that’s the first thought
So it died September 2024 then
👍
yeah fair and then he is dead again
Lando,Died in 2018 and revived for a short while and died again
Lando t will be good in formats incin and harc (probably) aren’t around
bro had to die twice
Hisuian Arcanine we know it can be dexited
But Incin idk







