#competitive_discussion

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pallid hare
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Its really because the devs dont quite balance around singles in the first place, much of pokemon's "balance" is geared towards doubles, honestly

bold geode
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Smogon is formats that people use on Pokemon Showdown not run by Pokemon
People play that more than in game singles as 6v6 is better and the doubles format has been the format that official tournaments ran by Pokemon themselves use

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Therefore, the in game singles aren't really grabbing that much attention

next stump
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I think 3v3 is played more just because it’s what is available in game

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so little Timmy with his switch may not even know what pokemon showdown is but he can click on Battle Stadium and play there

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but anyone (at least in the western world) who’s competitive with singles plays on Showdown with their formats

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OU, UU, etc.

steep hearth
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showdown sadly takes away the fact that I caught my team and it's special LMAOOO

autumn vault
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But makes teambuilding way easier

steep hearth
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yeah, doesn't matter if the stats suck in game because you can fine tune everything any way you want

next stump
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I think if you really do enjoy playing in game, give doubles a try. You can try 3v3 singles but it’s very bland IMO and not a lot of skill to it

steep hearth
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I've had more fun playing pokemon and finding about the ranked movesets for the pokemons I'm using even during the normal story gameplay. Without that whole aspect it would be too boring and just a children's game, at least beyond a certain playtime

autumn vault
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It's a game for all ages

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Not just for kids

solid frigate
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if you think its a children's game,then don't play it

autumn vault
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I mean most of us are grown ups yet play a lot of pokemon

solid frigate
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yeah

chrome knot
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pokemon is an everyones game MenheraWave1

steep hearth
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I'll try doubles then but I have mostly just focused on singles movesets and strategies so I'll have to start from scratch, in a way

solid frigate
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exactly

molten oasis
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rated e for everyone

solid frigate
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singles Movesets does not work on Doubles Format cuz some moves are basically Required for a Team

(Protect,Taunt,etc.)

autumn vault
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Taunt is not required imo

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But always nice to have on many teams

solid frigate
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anyways

steep hearth
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I like pokemon and I have like 170h in shield and scarlet combined but a single difficulty option would make it seem like a game for all ages instead of just aiming the difficulty level to children or people who never played video games before or people who want an experience where skill and knowledge aren't required

autumn vault
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Have you played the DLC wave 2?

steep hearth
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when I say children's game, I was only referring to the difficulty level

autumn vault
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Because thats quite challenging if you don't overlevel

steep hearth
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I'm doing teal mask rn, just completed the paldea pokedex today

solid frigate
chrome knot
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me when the casual game is not impossible difficulty but aimed toward having a fun and interactive story

solid frigate
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anyways,Miraidon does good shit

steep hearth
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ok what level is good for indigo disk like I want 0% overleveled, I want it to be like balanced/challenging

so I don't overlevel my favorites

chrome knot
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70

autumn vault
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Starts at level 70

nocturne holly
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The only part of the game i really liked was the story

steep hearth
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you cannot lock pokemon xp sadly

nocturne holly
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Shi made me tear up

solid frigate
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i mean even overleveled i still struggled against Lacey

Crispin and Amayrs are fine and Drayton i just sweep them

steep hearth
chrome knot
steep hearth
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like persona games, it can be a visual novel kind of a game with no need to learn the turn-based combat and its mechanics thoroughly. Or on the highest difficulty, you have to try and know a lot of the mechanics and interactions to be able to progress. Doesn't take away from any kind of player and play style

solid frigate
autumn vault
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In my 2nd run (where i wasn't spamming legends) Lacey, Crispin and Amarys were easy because i had Excadrill and tyranitar with Miraidon and Quaquaval, it took me two tries to beat Drayton

nocturne holly
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I just used my competitive team 😭😭

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iron hands lowkey carried

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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Most people play smogon and it is 6v6 so i recommend you play in showdown

nocturne holly
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I kinda wanna do a kyurem white team

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I just don’t wanna do a9

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I hate playing a9

molten oasis
nocturne holly
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or tbh Koraidon

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But it also gets shut down by peli so easily

solid frigate
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also

solid frigate
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i saw a Zacian Team with Pachirisu

molten oasis
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you can run torn lol

nocturne holly
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Iggg

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I’ll probably go for fairytale core

solid frigate
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yeah Landorus just 2HKO a Tera Ground Zac

molten oasis
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thats normal for lando lol

solid frigate
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yeah that team has Pachirisu,Flutter,Cress andFlygon-

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what happened

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i don't even need Miraidon

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only incin died

nocturne holly
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Clefairy or amoonguss

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with kyurem

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leaning towards amoonguss

solid frigate
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usually i would say Amogus but depends on what your MU is lacking

nocturne holly
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ngl want follow me waterpon

solid frigate
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i think it works,as it benefits from Kyogre MU

nocturne holly
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it’s so good for shifu

molten oasis
nocturne holly
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What non restricted dairy and steel types are there

molten oasis
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DAIRY TYPES LOL

nocturne holly
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miltank frrr

solid frigate
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i really liking Miraidon rn,might be my main Restricted in Doubles Restricteds cuz Pagos might be worse in Double Restricteds (Just my hot take)

solid frigate
nocturne holly
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real

pallid hare
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Well, miltank is an obvious, if unavailable in SV choice

nocturne holly
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Might do a tr mode for the last two slots

solid frigate
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Miraidon Mirror be like

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go for it

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i think like the early meta Miraidon technically can still use Future Paradox Pokemon,just the wrong ones

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cuz people are eyeing on Miraidon Bundle

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but technically Iron Hands and debatably, Jugilus and Crown

nocturne holly
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Hands is good with mirai

solid frigate
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Hands and i would debate for Miraidon+Iron Crown

dapper crag
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Miraidon [Electric/Dragon]
Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Flying, Water

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Iron Crown [Steel/Psychic]
Hits for 0.5x

Steel

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Poison, Rock

solid frigate
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Iron Crown Covers Miraidon's Fairy and Ice Weakness and Resist Dragon

dapper crag
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Miraidon [Electric/Dragon]
Resists (0.25x)

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Grass, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Ground, Ice

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.

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Iron Crown [Steel/Psychic]
Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Electric, Fighting, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

solid frigate
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sure both hates Ground types

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but i think having a Pokemon that can at least soften Calyrex's Draining Kiss and Flutter Mane's Moonblast is huge

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem
Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/130/90/130/90/95

Total

660

Other Formes

Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White

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Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White
Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

nocturne holly
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Also thinking of darkshifu

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Or maybe even flutter tbh

solid frigate
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A9?

nocturne holly
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I hate a9

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snowscape torn

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But I also want a tr answer

solid frigate
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Like pokemon that works in TR and also reverse TR?

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Fari sounds fun

nocturne holly
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fari does

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if I did a9 I’d do it over torn

solid frigate
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ok

nocturne holly
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what else

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I need one more

solid frigate
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hmmmm

nocturne holly
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tbh blursa is good

molten oasis
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harsh words

nocturne holly
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it just veils and dies

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the only good thing about it is that it’s switch in snow

molten oasis
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i've never had that problem

nocturne holly
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Wait what’s a good anti tr mon

molten oasis
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amoonguss

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clefairy

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incin

nocturne holly
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double grass

rustic mountain
nocturne holly
rustic mountain
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i think the only overlapping weakness would be flying which isnt all too common atm, id say it depends on the team. incin/urshi/amoongus is a great core tho

nocturne holly
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I could do double weather torn with shifu

rustic mountain
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if ur playing protect the kyruem, go ogerpon

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if u want a little more instant offense id say urshi

nocturne holly
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I’d probably need some more damage as the last slot

molten oasis
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i think protecting the kyurem is nice

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i think ogerpon is a really solid partner for it

nocturne holly
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I’d probably try specs kyurem

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Just getting up tw and snowball

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what about LO

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ima try amoonguss with the pon tho

dapper crag
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Ice, Ground
Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Poison, Rock, Steel

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Ice, Fire
Hits for 0.5x

Fire, Water

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dragon, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Steel

nocturne holly
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Specs is insane damage tho

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Ima do specs

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I feel weak to rockpon

silk widget
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Suggestions on making it better?

nocturne holly
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If you have lando LO is the best with it

molten oasis
nocturne holly
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Ohhhh

molten oasis
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or that was a concept that showed up in japan nats

daring pumice
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The outbreak event is in a hr right

nocturne holly
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You could probably do taunt over icy wind on torn and do like ep on lando

molten oasis
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if you're gonna run specs shifu over ogerpon

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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run av then

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which i think is the best item in general

foggy lodge
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specs shifu?

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okay i just read it right xd

molten oasis
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was gonna say lol

nocturne holly
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waterpon ia so good for shofu and does decent damage

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Amoonguss is also good for shifu and has insane utility

molten oasis
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if you're going to run specs kyurem you go HO mode with kyurem chi yu

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just do damage

nocturne holly
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I’m doing av

molten oasis
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then waterpon

nocturne holly
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ok

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 144: Articuno
Types

Ice/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Snow Cloak (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/100/95/125/85

Total

580

Other Formes

Articuno-Galar

strange fjord
nocturne holly
strange fjord
nocturne holly
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Oh yea it’s in legends

nocturne holly
craggy dagger
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that looks cool-

strange fjord
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Dynamax Adventures

nocturne holly
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Ohhhghhh

craggy dagger
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yep

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am hunting cress right now-

rustic mountain
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cress luckily isnt too bad

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jus pretty bulky lmao

chrome knot
chrome iron
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Would I just be better off using an Assault Vest Dragalge? (Don't say don't use Dragalge I love that sea dragon)

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 691: Dragalge
Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Poison Point, Poison Touch, Adaptability (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/75/90/97/123/44

Total

494

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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dont use dragalge

nocturne holly
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or what should I calc my own for

chrome iron
molten oasis
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Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Horn Leech
  • Spiky Shield
  • Follow Me
bold geode
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Don't use Dragalge

chrome iron
chrome iron
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
chrome knot
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outspeed lamdo i

molten oasis
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that yea

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i dont remember otherwise

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ive been using that spread for a while

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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yes lets create a pokepaste

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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sure

nocturne holly
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t wave flutter is something’s I’ve wanted to try

molten oasis
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booster speed

nocturne holly
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Lando??? I would say chi yu but I have incin already

nocturne holly
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probably scarf lando

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@polar canyon can I have your torn spread :3

polar canyon
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Tornadus @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 228 HP / 164 Def / 52 SpA / 52 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Protect
  • Taunt
  • Tailwind
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Today I actually had a thing I prepared for crit and kill

polar canyon
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It takes a +1 astral barrage so the crit neutral life orb one I took wouldn't have killed without a crit

polar canyon
molten oasis
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you want damage right? life orb

nocturne holly
gentle cragBOT
wheat path
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Is this any good?
Mega lopunny, Agility, Last resort
If not can someone help me cuz I wanna make Lopunny really good since its my favorite Pokémon

polar canyon
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Scarf lando has been running around for ohkoing mirai

polar canyon
molten oasis
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okay, i still think lorb is better

polar canyon
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Since mega evolutions aren't in the game

wheat path
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I'm playing showdown

polar canyon
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Oh yeah then that still doesn't look good

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Mega lopunny is actually one of the better ones for singles I think?

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 428: Lopunny-Mega
Types

Normal/Fighting

Abilities

Scrappy

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/136/94/54/96/135

Total

580

Base Species

Lopunny

molten oasis
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ss

polar canyon
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I thought it was better

molten oasis
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oops lmfao

dapper crag
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Lopunny-Mega's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Bounce, Brutal Swing, Circle Throw, Close Combat, Covet, Cut, Dig, Dizzy Punch, Double Hit, Double Kick, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Fire Punch, Flail, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Jump Kick, Last Resort, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Payback, Play Rough, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Uppercut, Strength, Thunder Punch, Triple Axel, U-turn

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Blizzard, Charge Beam, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Mirror Coat, Mud-Slap, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse

Status Moves

After You, Agility, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Copycat, Cosmic Power, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Entrainment, Fake Tears, Flatter, Foresight, Heal Bell, Healing Wish, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Magic Coat, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Rototiller, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Switcheroo, Teeter Dance, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lopunny-Mega.

molten oasis
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uhm

polar canyon
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It's the scrappy return and close combat

molten oasis
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return CC coverage move and protect

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are you playing doubles?

wheat path
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Singles

polar canyon
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I'm assuming not

wheat path
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Gen 6 anything goes

molten oasis
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uh, then idk

polar canyon
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Dang I don't think anyone here knows about that

dapper crag
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Move: Return

Power is equal to the greater of (user's Happiness * 2/5), rounded down, or 1.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

polar canyon
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Or almost anyone at all

polar canyon
molten oasis
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yea

nocturne holly
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Yea p sure

polar canyon
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-calc

gentle cragBOT
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Calc <Expression:Text>

Invalid arguments provided: Not enough arguments passed

polar canyon
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-calc 252 * (2/5)

gentle cragBOT
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Result: 100.800000

polar canyon
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Wait no

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-calc 255 * (2/5)

gentle cragBOT
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Result: 102.000000

polar canyon
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Yeah this

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Bot spam oops

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Yeah this is why people were sad return is gone

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It's just a nerf to normal types

molten oasis
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physical ones

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idt a relevant physical normal type that would want it has been around

polar canyon
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I was about to say ursaluna but there's facade

molten oasis
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yep

polar canyon
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I mean I don't think anything relevant that would use it but maybe some neat off meta or niche picks

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Something like snorlax could have used it

molten oasis
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ig

polar canyon
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At least they made double edge a tm now

nocturne holly
dapper crag
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Snorlax's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bide, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Chip Away, Counter, Covet, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Dig, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fissure, Flail, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Hold Back, Ice Punch, Iron Head, Last Resort, Lick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Outrage, Pay Day, Power-Up Punch, Pursuit, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Seismic Toss, Self-Destruct, Skull Bash, Smack Down, Steel Roller, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Submission, Supercell Slam, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Belch, Blizzard, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Surf, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Whirlpool, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

After You, Amnesia, Attract, Belly Drum, Block, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Gastro Acid, Happy Hour, Harden, Helping Hand, Metronome, Mimic, Odor Sleuth, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Sandstorm, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Stockpile, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swallow, Toxic, Whirlwind, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Snorlax.

nocturne holly
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Double edge and body slam are it’s only stab normal

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Ok so

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I think a9 is the way to go with kyurem lol

solid frigate
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bro finally knew

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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oh the week of worlds ghimmighoul raids come back

solid frigate
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I'll do it later

craggy dagger
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means shiny gimmi is coming back

solid frigate
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Who wants to it as a group cuz i might as well forgot what it looks

boreal mauveBOT
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Shiny Gimmighoul
craggy dagger
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it’s whiter

solid frigate
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but Nova,its in a Tera Raid Den and its fucking blinding my eyes

craggy dagger
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yeah

balmy glen
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@chrome knot

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i won my first opl set

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i lowk double clicked by accident in g1 which caused me to lose 💀

chrome knot
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LOL

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nice congrats, ill make my comeback next week im in

craggy dagger
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opl-?

solid frigate
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time to kill some Pika

molten oasis
solid frigate
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you mean the one in This server's Sub Server?

rustic mountain
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nah idts, theres a lot of team draft leagues

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i think the sub server does like a mon draft but it isnt team based

foggy lodge
solid frigate
balmy glen
little plank
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@solid frigate finding my teams two largest weaknessess are clear smog / haze and weezing lol

solid frigate
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meanwhile my team does not really like Cold Temperatures

chrome knot
solid frigate
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i need to fucking release myself

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i mean my anger,but its not because comp

cyan smelt
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Chill

solid frigate
# cyan smelt Chill

how am i gonna be chill when i was asked to give someone's girlfriend more privilege but my girlfriend gets absolutely none

cyan smelt
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Idk the situation

solid frigate
# cyan smelt Idk the situation

so basically my server has roles and my friend's Girlfriend alrready has an Unique Role from him and my girlfriend has none

And he demands more cuz of Jealousy

cyan smelt
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Spend less time in that server

chrome knot
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i was expecting a real reason to be angry ngl but if its just this bruh turn off the screen for a bit

solid frigate
solid frigate
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its not even my problem

lofty tartan
solid frigate
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i'm just gonna let my anger out on NPCs

craggy dagger
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why have anger in the first place-

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just-
RobinShrug

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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I mean you can't control how you feel anyways

solid frigate
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and it actually pisses me off cuz its also about my girlfriend

foggy lodge
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But it's better to just think about something else

craggy dagger
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if they’re a brick wall, just shrug it off smile1

jade dust
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What are the special attacker options for trick room besides ursaluna blood moon

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Since I already plan on using regular ursaluna and can’t use both

lofty tartan
molten oasis
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lunala, farigiraf kinda

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torkoal, hatterene, armarouge

jade dust
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Fari?

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I need some coverage since I don’t have a steel type

naive atlas
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Has anyone else been experiencing more than the average game disconnections lately?

Wondering if it’s my connection

jade dust
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I use cresselia, incineroar, primarina, abomasnow, calirex ice and ursaluna/garlnaclac or whatever was his name

molten oasis
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dont use abomasnow

near crag
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I always liked hands too

molten oasis
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abomasnow is pretty bad

jade dust
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Abomasnow is to have a grass immune to amoonguss and that puts snow

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Calyrex benefits from snow

molten oasis
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its still bad

jade dust
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And gives weather control so I don’t get full power eruptions from torkal

near crag
molten oasis
jade dust
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What prankster learns snow?

molten oasis
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tornadus

jade dust
molten oasis
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you still die to eruption

jade dust
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And I can set aurora veil

near crag
jade dust
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Ninetales is fast tho so she’s bad in trick room

solid frigate
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just beat a Groudon with Miraidon Team

molten oasis
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thats just not true

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yea its not great in tr but a9 is also by far the better snow setter

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and you're slower than a decent amount of things inside tr

solid frigate
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cuz this Speed Tiers 120 is the Median rn

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which is fucking hilarious

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cuz Gen 6 is always 100

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same with Gen 7

near crag
#

btw, on the discussion about tr sweepers, a mon that seems rly promissing is clawitzer. It deals big damage, and is one of the slowest water types, with just 59. Also has good coverage

cyan smelt
#

Why do people ask for advice then immediately reject the advice given

jade dust
#

I use Abomasnow to counter Kyoger too, that gives me grass coverage too. Energy ball to delete Kyoger while resisting water spout and taking away the rain

jade dust
solid frigate
plain drum
molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

But anyways it doesn't has to do with comp

molten oasis
#

against a special tank

near crag
jade dust
molten oasis
#

primarina is just not great

jade dust
solid frigate
# near crag water types

i guess that works but Primarina is generally better,just not good in this Format

Decent in Reg F tho

molten oasis
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 460: Abomasnow
Types

Grass/Ice

Abilities

Snow Warning, Soundproof (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/92/75/92/85/60

Total

494

Other Formes

Abomasnow-Mega

molten oasis
#

i cannot believe that has better atack stats than a9 wtf

devout mist
molten oasis
#

im not- alright

jade dust
#

Abomasnow has slightly better spc atk

molten oasis
#

abomasnow sucks

#

id would HIGHLY suggest using a9

jade dust
#

More bulky too

molten oasis
#

but if you're gonna ask for advice and reject it idk if i should even try

nocturne holly
#

imo they both suck
But a9 IS MILES BETTER THAN ABOMASNOW

molten oasis
#

also no

#

a9 is viable

near crag
nocturne holly
#

😡

molten oasis
#

and a9 has better bulk due to a better typing

#

and higher spD

#

snow buff boosts its defnese making it deceptively bulky

devout mist
#

i don't know, it looks squishy if you compare stats

nocturne holly
#

What even is the team

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 38: Ninetales-Alola
Types

Ice/Fairy

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Snow Warning (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/67/75/81/100/109

Total

505

Base Species

Ninetales

nocturne holly
solid frigate
jade dust
devout mist
nocturne holly
#

what even is the team

devout mist
molten oasis
jade dust
#

Abomasnow does 2 things, puts the snow and aurora veil and gives me grass type

devout mist
nocturne holly
solid frigate
molten oasis
devout mist
molten oasis
#

so no before, cool

solid frigate
#

kek

devout mist
#

Someone needs a snickers

jade dust
#

I know what I’m gonna use, Magnezone

#

I don’t have a steel or electric

molten oasis
#

have fun with that you clearly dont care about waht we gotta say

jade dust
#

And that’s a strong special attacker

nocturne holly
solid frigate
jade dust
#

Yes I need steel mainly

nocturne holly
#

can you show the teammm bro

near crag
molten oasis
devout mist
jade dust
molten oasis
#

maybe maybe not is it any of your business

jade dust
#

That is a full power liquid voice that deletes torkoal

devout mist
#

cause you always sound grumpy ngl

cyan smelt
#

Torkoal always moves first in tr

molten oasis
#

cool

jade dust
near crag
devout mist
#

pokemon supposed to be fun just sayin

jade dust
#

Abomasnow might die but torkoal too

cyan smelt
#

Torkoal has a partner

jade dust
#

Primarina is very slow too

#

She would likely move before the partner

cyan smelt
#

Ursa bm is slower

molten oasis
#

alright so we're playing to have fun, thats true

jade dust
#

Primarina has high spc def as well

next stump
#

my brain cells

plain drum
#

Hey Dillon pipwave

molten oasis
#

however you ask for advice on a team i fail to understand why you aren't gonna expect criticism

next stump
#

hello 😄

molten oasis
#

if there's things that would be better in spots im gonna say it

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

if you dont want to take that advice thats on you

devout mist
#

advice can be constructive ya know

molten oasis
#

its a competitive chat

devout mist
#

do you compete ?

molten oasis
#

im gonna provide my thoughts on how to improve teams to be the best they can be

devout mist
#

like attending tournaments and shit

molten oasis
#

i could compete more but yes

solid frigate
#

thanks for Patting me Eni

devout mist
#

which tournament did you attend on the circuit ?

molten oasis
#

why do you need to know that

cyan smelt
#

Why does it matter if someone regularly attends tournaments

molten oasis
#

you gonna go look at my results to try to tell me i have no say in the matter?

devout mist
#

you'realways grumpy in competitive chat

jade dust
devout mist
#

are you having fun in tournaments ?

molten oasis
#

what does that have to do with it?

chrome knot
plain drum
#

Truck room AmeliaPogYou

cyan smelt
#

Abamoasnow is not used ever

molten oasis
#

i played in NAIC

devout mist
molten oasis
#

and every so often i play a limitless tournament

#

last one i did was a while ago but i got 5th

devout mist
#

so you're not on the circuit is what I get

jade dust
molten oasis
#

im over this

cyan smelt
#

It's not good in tr

mighty stump
#

NAIC isn’t in the circuit?

#

Lol

molten oasis
#

fr

mighty stump
#

This is the second time

jade dust
dull haven
stark kindle
#

Me thinks we're at the point in the night where we block each other

plain drum
#

Khuja AscCatBongoWave

molten oasis
#

i just did, its getting bad

plain drum
#

And Kickey, damn

molten oasis
#

sorry

mighty stump
#

good timing guys

stark kindle
#

-# ye you better be

mighty stump
#

love u both

cyan smelt
#

Funny how he shut up as soon as mods arrived

molten oasis
#

mm

dull haven
chrome knot
#

gm tofu

mighty stump
marsh creek
plain drum
#

Sen too

mighty stump
#

gm too

foggy lodge
plain drum
#

Meet and greet

mighty stump
#

@chrome knot im playing my match today

foggy lodge
#

Anyone wants to play a BO3 on showdown?

plain drum
#

Gl Tofu

mighty stump
#

later tn

jade dust
# molten oasis i just did, its getting bad

Dude chill, why are you so angry about this lmao. I’m just giving my points of why I prefer abomasnow for this team comp over ninetales. I did consider her but Abomasnow fit the needs of my team better

dull haven
#

Good luck son!

mighty stump
#

thanks mother 🙏

molten oasis
#

im not qualified to give advice please stop talking to me

cyan smelt
#

Abomasnow is garbage and gets deleted by most mons in the meta

nocturne holly
#

We got comp chat family role pls before gta6 🙏🙏

molten oasis
#

i have issues

devout mist
mighty stump
#

Drago we spoke about this before, you can have issues and still give advice and recently you’ve definitely worked on them

stark kindle
dull haven
#

@devout mist Please move on, my advice would be to block each othrr and move on

devout mist
#

good idea ty

chrome knot
mighty stump
molten oasis
#

thats, yea thats fair

mighty stump
#

don’t worry about being wrong cause attitude is more important than being right

jade dust
molten oasis
#

which hasnt, i can work on attitude

jade dust
#

And I start rolling the enemy team

molten oasis
#

i get thats the issue atm

mighty stump
#

yeah so its no problem

cyan smelt
#

You're not rolling anyone with primarina and abomasnow

molten oasis
#

i'd just let him have his fun

near crag
mighty stump
#

Abomasnow: probably not. Primarina would need CM or AV

devout mist
jade dust
molten oasis
#

i think prima needs cm if anything to work

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

av is also alright

mighty stump
#

Throat Spray is like ok

#

CM achieves the same thing and AV just has better staying power

jade dust
#

Av?

molten oasis
#

assault vest

mighty stump
#

Assault Vest

jade dust
#

Ah

#

But she already has high spc def

mighty stump
#

Yes but the power level of the game is also higher

jade dust
#

Cmon she isn’t bad

molten oasis
#

boosting it more is valuable

jade dust
#

Water fairy is amazing typing too

molten oasis
#

no primarina is like okay, its jsut hard to slot over something like pelipper or urshifu rn

foggy lodge
plain drum
#

Night comp chat, it was good stopping by

solid frigate
#

dies To Miraidon and Bolt anyways

At least Urshifu and Peli have a use

cyan smelt
#

Or a specs electro drift

molten oasis
#

i think primarina can be okay in a trick room scenario rn but its just hard to use

foggy lodge
#

Araquanid was used for TR right?

molten oasis
#

the weak physical defense isnt exactly helpful in a physical format either

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

yea prima can eat those hits

jade dust
#

I really like primarina but I did consider Swampert

foggy lodge
#

Ah she was made

#

Les gooooo

jade dust
#

I considered swampert for the ground coverage

mighty stump
#

@jade dust Basically, you can have favourites and preferences in competitive. You just need to have very realistic expectations and that there are solid reasons as to why certain Pokemon aren’t being used.

molten oasis
#

tr special attacker ground type is bloodmoon rn, id suggest bloodmoon

nocturne holly
foggy lodge
nocturne holly
mighty stump
#

Although I’m also gonna figure sth out for a local that is upcoming

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

Ursaluna BM and Lando-I in some Kyogre teams?

jade dust
molten oasis
#

some teams have regular ursa

jade dust
#

We had articuno literally

molten oasis
#

lando t lurks

nocturne holly
#

I’m gonna cook with terapagos

molten oasis
#

idt anything else is very relevant rn

foggy lodge
#

Some people were playing Ting-Lu but right after the Indianapolis regional, then i never saw it again lol

molten oasis
#

ting lu yea

#

thats one as well

jade dust
#

Calyrex shadow was called mid during a time too, same miraidon

mighty stump
jade dust
#

I know

mighty stump
#

And it’s always relative

jade dust
#

Abomasnow for example is the grass coverage too

mighty stump
#

Players do not get to decide when the Pokemon is good: the meta does

jade dust
#

I know abomasnow isn’t good

mighty stump
#

The relative metric is objective

jade dust
#

But in my team it fits a role

bold geode
#

Honestly idc about the favorites thing, that other guy asking "are you in the circuit" was just rude AF

mighty stump
#

If it does, then good

molten oasis
#

dont, monke

#

just, talk about it elsewhere not here

#

or not at all that would be best

mighty stump
#

Just want to make sure players have good expectations going into their games because I’ve had a lot of discouraged new players due to this

jade dust
mighty stump
#

and quit over the fact something like Gengar didn’t work

jade dust
#

But changing the weather to disrupt my opponent set up is valuable

mighty stump
#

Okay, but so far the considerations sound somewhat one sided

cyan smelt
#

Calyrex and abomasnow get deleted by kyurem-w

mighty stump
#

As in, thinking to the current relevant weather setters and team members, how would Abomasnow react to the board state then?

molten oasis
mighty stump
#

Koraidon threatens it, so does Tornadus/Urshifu on rain Kyogre teams

#

Groudon also still threatens with Heat Crash as well

bold geode
#

Other than Tofu and Dillon, no one wants to touch this chat

molten oasis
#

monke fucking dont please

cyan smelt
#

Just ignore it, it's not worth it

mighty stump
#

and the bulk, despite being resisted, still doesn’t take Water Spout + Bleakwind

dull haven
#

Monke, move on

jade dust
#

Yeah but after aurora veil and snow I had it survive a flareblizt from Koraidon lmfao

bold geode
#

Eh just throwing in my piece
Goodbye y'all

jade dust
#

Tho Koraidon had-1 atk from incineroar

bold geode
#

I don't have a good goodbye emote wtf

mighty stump
#

Okay

#

Well you understand my point, I suppose

#

What is the rest of the team?

jade dust
#

Well I’m thinking in doing some switches but rn is cresselia, incineroar, abomasnow, calyrex, garnaclac and primarina

#

I’m thinking in switching the rock salt for base ursaluna

#

Or Magnezone

#

I got top 500 in ranked with this team

#

But I did lack more special coverage or effective ground coverage

#

Tho earth power in abomasnow helped a bit

#

One of my considerations is to swap primarina for swampert with wide guard and the salt rock with magnezone

foggy lodge
#

What are their roles on the team supposed to be?

#

Because you could just play Pelipper/Raging

mighty stump
#

I don’t really see how you deal with Miraidon

jade dust
#

If miraidon leads I tera cresselia

#

If they have like, the giraffe as well

violet kindle
#

Guys

jade dust
#

I lead cresselia incineroar and trick room fake out

violet kindle
#

How can i counter a choice specs miraidon

foggy lodge
#

Rillaboom

jade dust
violet kindle
jade dust
foggy lodge
#

I mean i don't think Rilla is a counter

#

I played Ting-Lu for a while

jade dust
#

Incineroar is my 2nd support

#

Abomasnow the grass attacker and weather setter

foggy lodge
#

It destroys Miraidon but lacks of offense

jade dust
#

Calyrex the sweeper

cyan smelt
#

Chien Pao gets rid of its terrain

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

Which form tho

foggy lodge
#

Incarnate

jade dust
solid frigate
#

Scarf Lando is great in Miraidon as its outspeeding Miraidon

jade dust
#

Since he is moving last

violet kindle
#

Ngl thats smart

solid frigate
jade dust
#

I made my cresselia to be unkillable so I get my trick room while holding mental herb

violet kindle
charred saddle
#

scarf lando is like very niche.

foggy lodge
foggy lodge
charred saddle
#

i wouldnt even recommend it in the first place

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

Ye

solid frigate
violet kindle
solid frigate
charred saddle
#

thing with specs miraidon is tthat u need to know its specs.
tthen just then u can like play around it, BM walls it if it already uses electric move

jade dust
#

Ground fairy when

charred saddle
#

stuffs like that, if it draco, -2

#

thats like a drawback

charred saddle
#

its like saying, hey pikachu works as miraidon wall. is it?

solid frigate
charred saddle
#

then slap it on every team

#

im pointing the context on what ur saying

foggy lodge
charred saddle
solid frigate
#

ok i expect you understand it cuz you are better, but i make it scarf just for the Miraidon and Zacian MU,nothing else

charred saddle
#

yeah and thing is. the one who asked it doesnt know

craggy dagger
#

please
calm-

#

what did i walk into-
MuelsyseShock

chrome knot
#

banana

#

then u slipped and fell

#

lol!!

jade dust
#

The most awkward matches I have is against other trick room users

#

Idk what the fuck to do there lmao

craggy dagger
balmy glen
jade dust
little plank
jade dust
#

Also what legendaries count towards the “only 1 or 2 legendaries” cuz it looks like Urshifu, Ogerpon, Calyrex and Terapagos don’t count

little plank
#

Only 1 restricted pokemon

jade dust
#

I know smaller legendaries like cresselia, the dogs or the birds aren’t restricted but

little plank
#

Can have many legendary

jade dust
#

What about the dlc ones

little plank
#

Top restricted currently are calyrex shadow calyrex ice terapagosa koraidon kyogre Miradon

#

I might be missing a few though

jade dust
#

So terapagos is restricted?

little plank
#

Yup

jade dust
#

But not Urshifu or Ogerpon

little plank
#

They're not restricted

jade dust
#

Why only the other dlc ones tho

mighty stump
#

Box art pokemon

little plank
#

I mean calyrex isn't really boz art is he?

jade dust
little plank
#

Neither is terapagosa

#

But anyways

#

Just look at the vgc rules and you will see qhats restricted and what's not

craggy dagger
#

terapagos being the box art for the entire sv dlc

jade dust
craggy dagger
#

thats how i look at it

charred saddle
#

i mean if u say it like that DLC part 1 and part 2 have different arts for SV

part 1 features ogerpon

#

but like yeah, ogerpon isnt restricted

#

i think you can look around on restricted pokemons in the official website thing?

#

on which counts as restricted and what not

strange fjord
#

Pokemon Crystal features Suicune 👀

craggy dagger
#

well yeah but it all builds up into terapagos and blueberry i feel like-

charred saddle
#

maybe yeah

chrome knot
#

bst

charred saddle
#

base stats total

solid frigate
#

tho bst is not the reason cuz Cosmog and Cosmoem are considered Restricteds

#

but maybe its just the evolution line or Solgaleo and Lunala

craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

wdym from the same evolutionary line makes it a restricted !?

solid frigate
chrome knot
#

no shit

craggy dagger
#

my question is-
why has no one tried using that cutie yet firefly_catstare

chrome knot
#

its got no moves

craggy dagger
#

i know i’m just joking-
Huohuo_Crying

solid frigate
#

i guess if you give Cosmoem Body Press then Maybe it can be on meme teams but idk

chrome knot
#

nova i had a dream last night we fell like 400ft bc elevator broke

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 790: Cosmoem
Type

Psychic

Abilities

Sturdy

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

43/29/131/29/131/37

Total

400

chrome knot
#

like free falling it was kinda terrifying

craggy dagger
#

awh-
falling is scary

chrome knot
#

i woke up bc my brain did the falling thing

#

i hate the feeling of descent and like butterfly in stomach from falling at a quick pace

solid frigate
# dapper crag

ok maybe with Body Press it can be a TR Body Press User cuz it has Cosmic Power i remember

jade dust
#

I like how they broke the rule of legendaries don’t evolve

chrome knot
jade dust
#

And then we also had urshifu

#

Sylvany too but nobody remembers it exists

craggy dagger
solid frigate
#

F

modern cliff
charred saddle
#

first team is like very basic template, u can prob just look up at regionals team and find something similar to it, u can try them out

#

idk what the fuck u are cooking for the second team tho, no restricteds and like idk what gliscor is doing there, is it singles?

modern cliff
modern cliff
azure ether
#

where's your water kung fu bear

azure ether
mint fern
#

Do you need to level up your pokemon to 100 before competitive play?

modern harbor
#

need help building whimsicott

azure ether
modern harbor
#

which evs does whimsicott prefer?

azure ether
#

usually max SpA and max Spe if sash

modern cliff
modern harbor
#

does tornadus typically run max speed?

#

i think whimsicott should probably outspeed max speed torn right? so i can taunt or encore

modern cliff
modern cliff
bold geode
#

Hello again
Haven't seen you in a bit

calm gulch
foggy lodge
#

Unless it's sash

#

I think most Torna are bulky

calm gulch
#

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

modern cliff
autumn vault
calm gulch
modern cliff
autumn vault
#

Pelipper should have Hurricane instead of Dual Wingbeat

#

Gliscor should have Protect instead of U-Turn

#

Arcanine Will-o-Wisp or Snarl is a better choice than Scorching sands

modern cliff
mighty stump
dull ibex
#

Vc?

mighty stump
#

They no longer get brought up to level for SV

#

Like in general aside from the hyper training

dull ibex
#

Rip

mighty stump
dull ibex
#

I opened one

dull ibex
mighty stump
dull ibex
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 593: Jellicent
Types

Water/Ghost

Abilities

Water Absorb, Cursed Body, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/60/70/85/105/60

Total

480

autumn vault
#

No wait, i want to see the movepool

modern cliff
#

For what?

dapper crag
#
Jellicent's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bind, Constrict, Dive, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Poison Sting, Poltergeist, Return, Secret Power, Waterfall

Special Moves

Absorb, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble, Bubble Beam, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Hex, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Muddy Water, Night Shade, Ominous Wind, Psychic, Round, Scald, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Surf, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool, Wring Out

Status Moves

Acid Armor, Attract, Confide, Confuse Ray, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Hail, Imprison, Magic Coat, Mist, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recover, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Spite, Strength Sap, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Water Sport, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Jellicent.

autumn vault
#

Why does Jellicent have Water Spout?

autumn vault
cyan smelt
#

that's water sport

autumn vault
#

It was very weak

cyan smelt
#

oh

#

nvm

autumn vault
balmy glen
#

Good job @mighty stump

mighty stump
#

Thanks

mighty stump
#

Hello

#

Wow

nocturne holly
#

no you didn’t see that

#

so apparently scammers are using the new subtext feature

#

to add phishing links to message s

#

which is crazy because it looks pretty believable

autumn vault
#

What happened?

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 721: Volcanion
Types

Fire/Water

Abilities

Water Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/110/120/130/90/70

Total

600

craggy dagger
dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 718: Zygarde-Complete
Types

Dragon/Ground

Abilities

Power Construct

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

216/100/121/91/95/85

Total

708

Base Species

Zygarde

timber falcon
#

81% in English literature 💪

#

Anyways, back to ray team

#

In the end I think volcarona gives the team more value than incineroar, ofc if It don’t help whilst testing I’ll swap

autumn vault
chrome knot
#

@mighty stump let me join and listen while i walk to work

mighty stump
chrome knot
#

@molten oasis @bold geode @dull ibex

molten oasis
#

huh?

#

oh, uh

#

red's in control

#

idk where he is

bold geode
#

Red is in control and yeah we don't know where he at

plain drum
#

Rip

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 166: Ledian
Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Swarm, Early Bird, Iron Fist (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/35/50/55/110/85

Total

390

modern cliff
#

What you guys doing?

autumn vault
#

I finished a Bo3 in a tournament and listening to a VC

#

Me and 3 others just abandoned someone in a VC lol

modern cliff
#

Im thinking of changing two Pokémon

#

Lycopoky what do you think?

autumn vault
#

I haven't saved a paste of your team

modern cliff
autumn vault
#

Looks good

modern cliff
#

I just sent it

#

Im thinking of changing Chien-Pao and Archaludon

#

Archaludon to Koraidon

#

But dont know what to replace chien pao to a normal pokemon

#

Lycopoky what do you think?

autumn vault
#

If you want Koraidon you can switch Archaludon

#

Still looks pretty good like that

modern cliff
#

It’s just I can only use two of them

cyan smelt
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so many strong dragons in the meta rn

daring pumice
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Is the most prominent tera for heatran still grass? I guess I’ve just never understood that? Why am I worried about amoongus as a fire type with 130 spatk

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 647: Keldeo
Types

Water/Fighting

Abilities

Justified

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/72/90/129/90/108

Total

580

Other Formes

Keldeo-Resolute

autumn vault
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I think so L's

cyan smelt
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nobody is using heatran though

autumn vault
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They asked i answered

daring pumice
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Only asked bc I just got packed up by one🥲

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fking Koridon team with heatran on it

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sun boosted heat waves from heatran is ouch

mighty stump
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Other common Teras include Fairy

solid frigate
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@molten oasis I gonna fucking set the Earth Ablaze again.

autumn vault
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Drago, this happened which explains his attitude

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Yeah happened to him 2 times this week

solid frigate
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this is not funny

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its bullying at this point

autumn vault
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Yeah

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Kyurem-White is just bullying you with freezes

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But i did miss twice against your mushroom and turtle

autumn vault
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And you did paralyze Drago's Kyurem which stopped it 4 times

solid frigate
autumn vault
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No

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But you got that going, even if you didn't win

solid frigate
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case in point

cyan smelt
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torrent chill

bold geode
solid frigate
bold geode
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Shit happens

craggy dagger
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both of you chill-

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lyco stop rubbing salt into torrent’s wounds

solid frigate
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i need fucking Damage

craggy dagger
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torrent-
shit happens in game-
and what happened happened-
so try not to dwell and get mad at that

mighty stump
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Most important thing now is definitely the concept of damage trading

autumn vault
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Just said being bullied by the freezes, told him of the positive rng he got agaisnt drago

little plank
solid frigate
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got back to 2-2-0

little plank
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I went to the dark side

bold geode
solid frigate
little plank
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I had to keep dozo though

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Thought about trying the weezgigas combo though

solid frigate
little plank
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Who would have thought psyspam at 1600+ elo would still work lol

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What the showdown randomly reloaded and all my teams are gone

solid frigate
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its kinda like

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how did you play

dapper crag
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- [Ice/Electric]
Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Flying, Ice

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground, Rock

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

zinc totem
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did some little changes when i noticed Darkshifu learns coaching which can be pretty deadly with body press groudon KEKWDISCO

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after talking with a person in one other server, we noticed (quoting his thoughts) that it honestly might not be a bad idea to go scarf ursh and throw coaching on there to make it more difficult to mitigate damage and you get a defense boost and can throw body press as a way to deal with incin after getting to +1 defense or pressure their tera (which means that dark ursh should be able to wicked blow late game so long as you’re able to keep it (this is similar to what CIR teams are doing with Annihilape/Water Ursh)

craggy dagger
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why’s no restricted get snow warning…

zinc totem
pallid hare
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Snow idea

zinc totem
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alolan ninetails is mainly used for that thanks to aurora veil

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they need do something like water spout for ice types to be worth i guess

craggy dagger
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a9 tera ice miraidon…

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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uhh-
lives cause boost to defense too

autumn vault
solid frigate
craggy dagger
solid frigate
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fair if its one pokemon

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E Drift,Volt Switch,Tera Blast and Draco?

autumn vault
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Yeah most likely

craggy dagger
solid frigate
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yeah looks fair

autumn vault
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A9 is an ok pokemon

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Not great, but good enough

craggy dagger
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i’d rather a9 over any other snow setter though

autumn vault
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Yeah Abomasnow is quite bad

craggy dagger
shadow wind
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Dude I love Groudon.

nocturne holly
foggy lodge
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I've seen some cores using Gholdengo

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But tbh Pelipper is fine

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The wide guard is very valuable and being able to help against some Koraidon MU or boosting Urshifu's damage

nocturne holly
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nvm peli is fire

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Hate pelipper.

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Annoying bird.

solid frigate
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birb

shadow wind
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Had to change my whole Groudon set because of it.

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Granted, the new Groudon set has been working well so I guess I can't complain.

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Managed to hit 1700 on showdown with 2 accounts today so I have beaten my demons(Pelipper) for now at least.

solid frigate
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i'm using Iron Crown+Miraidon Scarf Lando rn

shadow wind
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Scarf Lando-I is the bane of my existence.

solid frigate
autumn vault
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Yeah, Scarf Lando-I can be very annoying

shadow wind
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Another reason I had to alter my team.

autumn vault
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Very speedy and not so easy to figure out it's speed stat if you don't look at other things

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Also does a good chunk of damage

shadow wind
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Sheer force on those moves hurt a whole lot.

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Chien Pao is my usual answer to it.

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But if they tera then things get sketch.

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Wish my accounts had better GXEs.

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But I guess that is a Groudon moment.

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At any given moment. BOOM double pblade miss.

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Momentum lost, null turn, Groudon lock in.

solid frigate
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just slap a Tailwind and Let Lando do its job against Miraidon,Zacian and Caly Shadow

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Usually I average like 60-65%.

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Both accounts I'm using currently are in that range.

solid frigate
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i'm also like that don't worry

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i got 75% on Kyogre tho

shadow wind
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Dang!

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Yeah both around that 64 mark I guess.

solid frigate
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i mean its good

shadow wind
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Yeah, can't complain too much.

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A lot of it is definitely the team. Gastrodon works very well with my team.

rich iron
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guys i'm currently making my way to spear pillar in a brilliant diamond hardcore nuzlocke and i just picked up the tm for sludge bomb for my roserade. which move should i get rid of for sludge bomb: leaf storm (its egg move from the underground), giga drain, leech seed, or toxic spikes?

solid frigate
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my elo is in 1400 but honestly having 75% consistency is not bad

shadow wind
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75% is amazing.

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Where do you usually climb to?

solid frigate
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Miraidon in 66%

Should be at least higher cuz my old teams suck ass

solid frigate
shadow wind
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Oh nice!

next stump
shadow wind
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That 1500 milestone is usually the hardest one to overcome.

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At least in my experience.

solid frigate
shadow wind
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For sure.

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I can't even say main restricted because I only use 1.

solid frigate
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Terapagos,Miraidon and Kyogre

Lunala idk haven't climb with it yet

rich iron
shadow wind
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Here let me go through my list of restricteds.

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#1 Groudon.

next stump
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i dont think anyone here will have an opinion on your question

shadow wind
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