competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Also known as the copium restricted

[zinc totem]

yes

i need my

[molten oasis]

Weekly dose of copium

[zinc totem]

very much so

tho it do work pretty well ngl

[molten oasis]

Aaaand there’s the copium talking

[zinc totem]

i think main enemy is Koraidon for it

[zinc totem]

like you've not copium talked

but when no koraidon

[molten oasis]

I did but then Zac beat the mid allegations

[zinc totem]

hah yes, im using same zacian

check DM btw!

you see something interesting i did with zacian

[dapper crag]

You should use moonblast too

[mighty stump]

Kyogre lol

Groudon is positive into Koraidon imo

[zinc totem]

kyogre is pretty okay, i got sunny day on tornadus as backup

[molten oasis]

Morning tofu

[zinc totem]

@mighty stump how is tofu today? woke up refreshed?

[zinc totem]

i kinda do with support flutter

[mighty stump]

Well I’m at work

Just looking through consults for the day

Which is

One consult

LOL

[zinc totem]

LOL

[zinc totem]

i'll DM you something i want to be consulted so now you got second person to consult

#jkjk

need head bed soon x_x

but animes and yt videoss to watch and catchup

[molten oasis]

Like at work?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[molten oasis]

So is your shift just easier then

[mighty stump]

technically

but i tend to then just invade other consults to learn

[craggy dagger]

ooo
indeedee-?

[zinc totem]

yep. Follow me and everything

LMAO i just met dude who used protect with miraidon to try stallout my sun

[molten oasis]

That’s good

[zinc totem]

booster on flutter activated = bye miraidon

[molten oasis]

Do you like your job?

[mighty stump]

a dog just shat on my consult room floor

so yea

sure

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Sounds like fun

https://pokepast.es/45442408b4db0ce5 anyway I’m not feeling lando or torn all that much, any suggestions member/move wise?

[mighty stump]

go Whimsi and Blursa

[zinc totem]

my weird ass first thought was indeedee and urs/blursa and go more slower team approach

butt whimsi and blursa is yeah better for that

[molten oasis]

Alr

I’m guessing a fast blursa?

[mighty stump]

p much

[uncut ferry]

is garchomp gud in comp

@ if u have answer

[molten oasis]

Do I go max speed? Like what do I want to outspeed

[uncut ferry]

?

[molten oasis]

I was not talking directly to you

Garchomp is okay, there are better ground types rn

[uncut ferry]

thx

[gentle crag]

stucklikearobert has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ebafc7ad89c81f4e this look ok?

[mighty stump]

Modest outspeeds base 135s

Idrc about outspeeding CIR sinxe youre a normal type

[polar canyon]

Twave grimm causing para hax is actually infuriating man

Gonna just start using farig or something

[molten oasis]

Sounds good

It has good natural bulk so I should be fine

https://x.com/pokeshopper/status/1810919631265128658?s=46 I need it

Pokéshopper.net (@Pokeshopper) on X

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[nocturne holly]

That is fucking fire

I’d cop ngl

[cyan smelt]

I want the terapagos plush

[mighty stump]

i need a terapagos sitting cutie

[foggy lodge]

I WANT IT

[molten oasis]

I want a zacian plushie

[cyan smelt]

I want kingambit plushie

[silver ravine]

A ursaluna blood-moon plushie would be neato burrito

[bold geode]

Gimme Zamazenta plush or an Infernape plush that actually looks decent

[balmy glen]

man prepping for worlds is so rough

I’m not even like happy abt top 10 on ladder anymore I’m stuck peeking at 4th

[bold geode]

Why not #1 👀

[balmy glen]

I don’t think Zama is able to be cooked anymore lol

talked abt it with a lot of the top level Zama players and we all feel like Michael solved it to the point where it’s not even like improvable

[molten oasis]

Bummer

Maybe thing will get better in a month

[balmy glen]

nah I dont think it will

in terms of cooking the team all around cant improve much

[molten oasis]

That sucks

Could play with a different restricted

That has things to improve on

[near crag]

Hey, I was trying to build around koraidon, but I have been facing some trouble into the caly ice matchup, and weather wars. I figured I can't really build around it too much, since there are basically four locked mons (koraidon, bolt, mane, incin). Ogerpon Cornerstone seemed like a reasonable counter to caly, at first, since it's the only rock type that is playable, (the only type that hits ice and fire for super effective), but it get's shat on under tr. Two moves that could help are haze/clear smog, and block/ingrain/mean look, first for the stat changes for the horse, and second for preventing kyogre/pelliper from reseting. The only mons that have two of those moves, and are viable, are amoonguss, smeargle, and if you make a strech gengar. Both gengar and smeargle get deleted by any mon, and amoonguss goes to another dimension by the mention of glacial lance. I am sorry for the essay, but what should I do now?

[solid frigate]

can you give me the pokepaste?

[near crag]

gimme a sec, it's on my other divice

[molten oasis]

I’d also like to see a paste

[solid frigate]

cuz Bolt generally is good against Weather Wars as a whole cuz it can operate in both Weathers(Little Bit of Stretch but it deals with Peli and Ogre well)

[molten oasis]

Not snow

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

i'm just saying sun and Rain

[molten oasis]

OooOoo double freeze ooOoOoo

[solid frigate]

4 full Para moment

[molten oasis]

Nah double freeze is way funnier

[solid frigate]

me rn

[molten oasis]

lol fr

[solid frigate]

suddenly wanna set the earth on fire lol

[molten oasis]

But yea bolt generally really good for both sun and rain

[solid frigate]

you can say about Wake as well but eh,its not that much used

[molten oasis]

Bro I ordered 6 snack tacos and fries why am I waiting so long

[solid frigate]

how long tho

[molten oasis]

It’s been 15 minutes

I’m at a del taco

[solid frigate]

damn,not a good image

[molten oasis]

Not at all

[solid frigate]

like FAST FOOD,WHY IS IT NOW SLOW FOOD

(I'm Sorry its Cringe ik)

[molten oasis]

Its fine

I got my food now I’m going home

[solid frigate]

noice

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[solid frigate]

imma just do some research

[near crag]

https://pokepast.es/924e7227405785af

Sorry for my delay, my laptop is old

[solid frigate]

it looks fine

tho Bolt's EVs looks weird

you don't run Max Max Min on it

[near crag]

They really do, I just didn't calc yet

It's kinda rough to calc before choosing the six mons

[solid frigate]

Zenitsu (Raging Bolt) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpA / 52 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Electroweb
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch

For AV Raging Bolt,you wanna make it tanky, I used this Set,it can survive an Ice Spinner From Chien Pao and Earth Power from Choice Specs Terapagos

[near crag]

Thanks! It's gonna save me some time

[solid frigate]

and most Importantly,tanking Kyogre's Attacks Well,Around 30%+ from Ice Beam in 252+ Kyogres

or 40%+ idk

but it can tank

[near crag]

Seems good

But, about the last mon, what do you suggest?

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmm

lemme check something

Normally i would say Chien Pao or Rilla but i wanna check something

[near crag]

What?

[solid frigate]

if you are scared of TR,you can try Indeedee

If you want more damage then Chien Pao

If you want more utility+Terrain Healing and coverage then Rillaboom

[near crag]

Or maybe a offensive trick room setter, in that logic

[solid frigate]

you could try it

the only one who has the Offensive TR is Flutter honestly

Maybe Fari but idk

[near crag]

Fari seems nice, now that you say it

[solid frigate]

i think fari is good for Giving you damage,Control Trick Room and Utility

[near crag]

Also gives some more speed control, for denying priority

[solid frigate]

exactly

which set do you have in mind

[near crag]

Maybe heat rock, tera fairy, dazzling, and mid spa investment, something like 76+

[solid frigate]

you can try it out,personally go for a defensive set but its your team so i can't do stuff about it

[near crag]

It'd be defensive, just no semi bulk

[solid frigate]

ok fair

[near crag]

I think I have a old set from an old team, let me check it rq

[solid frigate]

sure go ahead

[near crag]

252 HP / 68 Def / 76 SpA / 108 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature

how bout that?

[solid frigate]

i would say its fine,what are the EVs calc for

[near crag]

No idea, but I'm pretty sure it's from dillon, so it's a good set

[solid frigate]

i trust Dillon,so i guess its fine

[rustic mountain]

jus faced a kyruem black i think im done for tn

[cyan smelt]

Well don't leave us hanging, did you beat it?

[mighty stump]

The tofu special

[rustic mountain]

yes

4-0

i can link the replay if u care to watch

[cyan smelt]

Sure

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2158890619-l6itia807cp9ja6w4lz4yy3b97dwme9pw

[cyan smelt]

Christ, even burned cir does a frightening amount of damage

[rustic mountain]

yea

sometimes ill play around it but sometimes u jus let it happen

kinda depends

in that case i didnt wanna lose momentum and get something else burned and i was taunted so protect switch the other slot was off the table to avoid that

[cyan smelt]

If there's anything I've learnt it's that it's pointless taunting cir because if they read the taunt they're just gonna use glacial lance

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus wanted whims off the field asap

if i tr and they have encore its a wasted 2 turns

[cyan smelt]

Surprised it wasn't sash

[rustic mountain]

yea some are cloak

[craggy dagger]

funny button goes brrrr

[rustic mountain]

$90 move does its thing

[craggy dagger]

$90?

oh-
the cost

[rustic mountain]

yea

b/w base and dlc itd b 90 or more ig depending where u live

[craggy dagger]

“here have two pokemon that will revolutionize vgc for the low low cost of $90”

[molten oasis]

He did not click ddance lmao

[rustic mountain]

haha

game was over anyway

[craggy dagger]

since shifu and calyrex

[strange fjord]

What if we construct a team that costs the most money to get.

[molten oasis]

I love literally throwing (even if the game was doomed)

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean idt they were coming back

[molten oasis]

There was no way

[rustic mountain]

but yea ddance there was funny

atleast knock out my cir

[molten oasis]

Urshifu a calyrex ogerpon

Raging bolt

[craggy dagger]

that would be-
interesting

[molten oasis]

Hmm, is ursaluna (base) able to be obtained in Sv

[rustic mountain]

prolly easier to do w/ dual restricted

[rustic mountain]

no its pla only evo

[molten oasis]

Dual restricted caly ice urshifu ogerpon terapagos ursaluna

Hmm

[craggy dagger]

calyrex, ursaluna shifu ogerpon

[molten oasis]

Ursaluna cuz you can only evolve it there in legends (the base)

[strange fjord]

Calyrex, Raging Bolt, Iron Boulder, Ursaluna, is like already 200+

[craggy dagger]

for dual legends i’d put in a box legend and a caly

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2158887365-1ezcuv3cjwrnecjr0cc8eefk8armds8pw
oh heres another replay of me absolutely shimmying on some1 in the mirror

[molten oasis]

Gotta do terapagos

Terapagos is a $90 pokemon

[craggy dagger]

true

[strange fjord]

Raging Bolt and Iron Boulder is $180 cause version exclusive

[molten oasis]

Iron crown is better

[cyan smelt]

Eh I prefer DLC to 3rd versions

[strange fjord]

terapagos is included in this for free

so its redundant

[craggy dagger]

leaves on top

[molten oasis]

Yea if you like to lose

[craggy dagger]

the korai/mirai depending on the version for dual restricted

[craggy dagger]

oh-
no just design wise i like leaves the best

[molten oasis]

You have to do a caly

Cuz $90 moves

[craggy dagger]

yeah caly is 90

[rustic mountain]

cant wait for the new gen 10 broken mons

[strange fjord]

Calyrex-Ice, Raging Bolt, Iron Boulder, Ursaluna, is $330

[rustic mountain]

how

nvm

[craggy dagger]

a caly, paradox sword + beast, ursaluna (base)…
what other game exclusives are there-
alolan raichu

[rustic mountain]

i mathed wrong

[craggy dagger]

though it’ll be coming soon, atm it’s alola and pogo exclusive no?

[rustic mountain]

u can get it in das

[craggy dagger]

oh-

[rustic mountain]

they had a raid event similar in swsh too but that was limited time as well

i wouldn say its consistent to get in das but its possible

[cyan smelt]

hoodra is coming soon too, sneasler is PLA exclusive

[strange fjord]

you can get one in the swsh dlc

[craggy dagger]

all i know is im staying offline to shiny hunt a bunch of them

[rustic mountain]

nice

[strange fjord]

trade i think

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna get a jumbo pancake

[craggy dagger]

what’s a game exclusive though-

[rustic mountain]

its a good shiny, i got one in a moonball in swsh

i remember trynna make it work in comp lmao

[craggy dagger]

if we’re doing double restricted then mewtwo (technically-)
i don’t remember if mewtwo was a da encounter though

[rustic mountain]

u mean version exclusive?

[molten oasis]

oh, the game is run by gen 8

[rustic mountain]

mewtwo is a da encounter

[molten oasis]

i just realized

[strange fjord]

its available in dmax

[molten oasis]

urshifu rillaboom calyrex zama are all on top of the format

[rustic mountain]

zama?

[strange fjord]

if its double restricted then ditching Calyrex for Zacian and Zama raises it from $90 to $120

[rustic mountain]

its there idk bout on top of the format

[molten oasis]

zama's common enough to be considered up there imo

[craggy dagger]

not if you have shiny zama and regular zacian-
then it’s just 80

[molten oasis]

okay the meta there i fixed it

[craggy dagger]

or vise versa-
with shiny zacian and regular zama

[strange fjord]

how would you get the shiny?

[solid frigate]

event but thats long gone

[rustic mountain]

i have both

[molten oasis]

although now looking gen 9 is common as well

[strange fjord]

yeah but the event is over

[craggy dagger]

code-
where you were given the other version’s shiny

[strange fjord]

so technically its $120 for double dogs

[molten oasis]

mirai terapagos bolt flutter pao chi yu

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

i have both of the shiny dogs

[craggy dagger]

same

[solid frigate]

wait no Oger?

[molten oasis]

all i want is a plushie of it

[craggy dagger]

though i have no clue which box in swsh they’re in

[molten oasis]

yea, bloodmoon as well

[solid frigate]

or is it something idk

[rustic mountain]

waiting for the miraidon koraidon event well inevitably get this year

[molten oasis]

i want the ruins man

[craggy dagger]

next year i think-

ruins are gonna be gc rewards most likely

[rustic mountain]

nah they did swsh doggos end of the year prior to the new gen releasing

[solid frigate]

probably this Year's Fall or Winter,Or Next Year

[craggy dagger]

like the birds-

[molten oasis]

https://youtu.be/_04KBRzwd6k?si=BHp2FMnn8NL8S4HN okay so like, this thumbnail goes hard

[rustic mountain]

thatd mean wed need 4 not 3 of them tho

id say loyal 3 is more likely in that regard

[craggy dagger]

why’d they make the baby look like that

[craggy dagger]

fair

[molten oasis]

the loyal 3 have meh shinies

[rustic mountain]

its one piece inspired

[molten oasis]

its one piece

[craggy dagger]

i just want shiny terapagos-

[solid frigate]

they are mid at everything

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[rustic mountain]

lol

[cyan smelt]

i need shiny chi-yu

[molten oasis]

same, and pao

[solid frigate]

Me:I need that lol

[rustic mountain]

i mean okidogi has done decent enough

[molten oasis]

i'd like all of them tbh

[rustic mountain]

the other two suck tho

[craggy dagger]

chi yu, terapagos, chien pao
are the ones i want to be shiny-
korai and mirai are cool but not as cool imo

[molten oasis]

munkidori is probably by far the worst one

[solid frigate]

Like Loyal 3 i guess Dogi and Dipiti are little bit ok but Munkidori

Wtf happened

[rustic mountain]

chi yus shiny is top tier

[craggy dagger]

okay pao’s shiny isn’t cool-
it-

[rustic mountain]

i like chien paos shiny

[craggy dagger]

but it’s funny

[solid frigate]

they might as well shove it into the incinerator

[molten oasis]

same, pao has a nice shiny

[rustic mountain]

all the ruin legends have good shinies to me

[craggy dagger]

it’s brown-

[molten oasis]

you're not funny

[solid frigate]

i forgot Wo-Chien's Shiny

[rustic mountain]

its like red

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/chienpao.png

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

that looks fine

[rustic mountain]

this looks dope

[craggy dagger]

poop-

[solid frigate]

like Maple Leaf kinda Red?

[craggy dagger]

especially with the in game model

[rustic mountain]

not really look it up on serebii

[molten oasis]

if you think of it that way yes

i dont

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/wochien.png

[solid frigate]

oh wait nvm

[craggy dagger]

either poop or chocolate
which i like to think of as the latter

[solid frigate]

i remembered it now

[molten oasis]

yea ingame that shiny looks cool

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/tinglu.png

[molten oasis]

oops

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/tinglu.png

[rustic mountain]

y would u know that

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/tinglu.png

[molten oasis]

i went to serebii

[craggy dagger]

oooooo
i really like that

[solid frigate]

i just thought about Chien Pao got burnt by Chi Yu and still survived

[molten oasis]

like you said

you need fucking proof

i gotchu bro

https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sv/chien-pao/ boom

[rustic mountain]

wait wat

[solid frigate]

Ting Lu's Shiny really giving me Registeel's Shiny Vibes

[rustic mountain]

its called kidding

[solid frigate]

in BW Sprite

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/koraidon.png

[molten oasis]

ah, im tired

[rustic mountain]

haha

yea im not usually serious w/ rocksus emotes

[molten oasis]

i debated playing vgc and just was like, nah im tired

im gonna start developing rage issues again if i do that

[rustic mountain]

[cyan smelt]

can't develop rage issues if you're always angry

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/miraidon.png

[solid frigate]

can we all agree that Chi Yu has the best Shiny besides Maybe Yveltal and Giratina

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[solid frigate]

I need my Bacon Birb

[craggy dagger]

nope

[rustic mountain]

i have others over them

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-mark-ruffalo-bruce-banner-angry-gif-15688553

[cyan smelt]

i need koraidon's shiny

[rustic mountain]

not chi yu but yveltal giratina

[molten oasis]

nah

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/yveltal.gif

[rustic mountain]

umbreons shiny is top tier

[molten oasis]

maybe legendary wise

[solid frigate]

I need the Bacon

[molten oasis]

but idt chi yu's is the best

[solid frigate]

somehow i'm Hungry seeing Yveltal's Shiny

[molten oasis]

tbf, idk what is, probably ray

[rustic mountain]

idk its up there for me

[cyan smelt]

wonder how yveltal will stack up to miraidon in gen 10

[rustic mountain]

not like #1 but its high

[molten oasis]

best as in number 1

[craggy dagger]

chi yu is in my top 5 though

[solid frigate]

Yveltal good at support but fucking dies

[molten oasis]

i think its one of the best overall shinies tho

[rustic mountain]

yea

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/terapagos.png

[molten oasis]

meh

[rustic mountain]

idk wat my #1 would be, prolly treecko line

[molten oasis]

im not a fan ngl

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah that’s what it looks like

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i do like the sky blue but like it does not work with the Shell

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

i like a9's shiny due to it being a nice pink/red

[rustic mountain]

its too subtle for me

[craggy dagger]

the red eyes though

[rustic mountain]

but it isnt bad

[molten oasis]

the red eyes look nice

[rustic mountain]

i like the red eyes haha

[craggy dagger]

a9’s shiny is good

[solid frigate]

Treecko does it better for that type of shiny colour

[rustic mountain]

i like terapagos shiny

[molten oasis]

i also have, a general bias towards it, its my second favorite mon

zacian took over as the top lol

[rustic mountain]

it doesnt feel as vibrant for treeckos either

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/terapagos-terastal.png

[molten oasis]

that does not work

[rustic mountain]

like the shade of teal

which is better imo

terapagos' kinda hurts the eyes w/ that teal

[solid frigate]

oh yeah actually,the model in SV has Green eyes still if i remember from certain someone's Video

Maybe i'm wrong but idk

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/terapagos-stellar.png

[molten oasis]

pff

[cyan smelt]

maybe we won't get any shiny legendaries this gen and they'll all stay shiny locked

[craggy dagger]

you can’t even tell

[solid frigate]

that's gonna hurt my eyes even more-

[craggy dagger]

they didn’t change it either

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/terapagos-stellar.png

[molten oasis]

uhm, idk waht my favorite shiny is

[solid frigate]

i mean tbf i played Terapagos for a while so i think its not gonna matter

[molten oasis]

although i think umbreon's shiny is a little bit overrated, i like it but idt its all that

[solid frigate]

Sylveon looks sick with its Shiny

[molten oasis]

thats one of my favorites

[strange fjord]

My favorite shiny is Partner Cap Pikachu's shiny

[molten oasis]

oh yk waht, i want shiny raging bolt

[rustic mountain]

well technically even w/ events zacian zama eternatus are shiny locked, and urshifu, calyrex and the horses actually are just shiny locked w/o any event either to atleast have a chance to obtain it shiny

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

i think the only eevees that had bad shinies are the Sinnoh Eeveelutions

[craggy dagger]

HEY-
glaceon’s isn’t that bad

[rustic mountain]

like the lock more refers to obtaining them outside an event imo

[molten oasis]

thats cope

[craggy dagger]

it’s subtle but nice

[cyan smelt]

maybe in sv remakes in 20 years time all the legendaries will be unlocked

[solid frigate]

Copium

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/glaceon.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/glaceon.gif

[craggy dagger]

it’s more white and it highlights the boots more

[molten oasis]

wow its SLIGHTLY more blue

[solid frigate]

oh yeah i forgot about Flareon but eh-

[rustic mountain]

idk why they couldnt make atleast gen 8 mons huntable like urshifu/horses/calyrex and the dogs

[craggy dagger]

that’s why i like it

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

yea im not a fan of glaceons shiny haha

[molten oasis]

leafeons is worse tho

[craggy dagger]

it’s like with articuno-

[rustic mountain]

that and leafeons are too subtle

[cyan smelt]

not like urshifu's shiny is particularly good

[solid frigate]

Gamefreak gonna torture us lmao

[rustic mountain]

yea but id still hunt it for the flex

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/urshifu.gif

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

its just yellow to Pink like wtf

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/calyrex.gif

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

thats, why did they refuse to change anything

[solid frigate]

Thats even worse-

[molten oasis]

why do SWSH shinies suck wtf

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/calyrex-shadow.gif

[cyan smelt]

shiny spectrier looks awesome

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[craggy dagger]

LMAO YOU CANT SEE THE DIFFERENCE

[rustic mountain]

the worst part is when fused spectrier doesnt keep the shiny form

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/glastrier.gif

[molten oasis]

at least the dogs have nice shinies

[craggy dagger]

ah that one also sucks

[solid frigate]

They can swap the Black and White to look like Karate/Judo/Taekwando Uniform-

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/zacian-crowned.gif

[rustic mountain]

wat should they have done different

[molten oasis]

i like that blue, althouh i prefer the normal colors

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/spectrier.gif

[cyan smelt]

regieleki/drago are the only new legendaries huntable in ct

[rustic mountain]

like i think its bad but also idk wat else u do to not make it weird with some off beat color

[molten oasis]

such a nice siny

[molten oasis]

those shinies are mid tho

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/kyurem-black.gif

[molten oasis]

mostly drago cuz i understand the appeal for eleki

[solid frigate]

Why this looks so good and Alien like

[craggy dagger]

it’s-
slightly more red
i’d rather make it more navy themed

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/kyurem-white.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/glastrier.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/pikachu-partner.gif

[rustic mountain]

a light navy wouldnt actually be too bad

[molten oasis]

i dont feel like hunting that through dynamax but its so nice

[strange fjord]

ah yes, the shiniest shiny of all time

[molten oasis]

ky white has a really nice shiny

[craggy dagger]

like make the body a light navy blue-
and make the mask maybe like-
darker but same hue ish?

[rustic mountain]

yea

that could work i actually dont mind that

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/meowstic-f.gif

[craggy dagger]

they kinda made it look weird by making it red

[solid frigate]

ah yes Macaroni and Cheese

[craggy dagger]

basically-
take shiny glaceon’s palate and slap it on glastrier

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/maushold.png

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

LOL

ik how to identify my favorite shiny

favorite pickers baybee

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/zygarde.gif

[craggy dagger]

yeah that one is nice

[solid frigate]

I love the Toothpaste colour looking Zygarde

[cyan smelt]

really hope zygarde gets a new form or something

[molten oasis]

i dont

[rustic mountain]

it will

[molten oasis]

i hope that trio gets fucking nothing but we'll see

MOSTLY because of xerneas

[solid frigate]

I mean Arceus didn't

[molten oasis]

xerneas doesnt deseve shit

[cyan smelt]

giratina didn't

[rustic mountain]

arceus has like 18 forms already tho

[solid frigate]

that has an Origin Form.

[cyan smelt]

true

[molten oasis]

i hope at most its new forms

[craggy dagger]

zygarde xyz form
gets an ability that fuses the two aura abilities into one

[molten oasis]

i really dont want to deal with mega xerneas

[cyan smelt]

zygarde 1000% form

[molten oasis]

eh actually

[solid frigate]

i mean why does it name as PLZ-A and not PLZ

[molten oasis]

that means no power herb geomancy

[rustic mountain]

why would we have to deal with that?

[molten oasis]

if you choose to do a mega

which, yea nvm

[cyan smelt]

kalos doesn't have many legendaries so maybe they'll add a 4th legendary to the aura trio

[molten oasis]

mega yvetal could be annoying

[rustic mountain]

even if megas are in that game, its not comp

[solid frigate]

Also I would doubt Xerneas will have Its Mega Form in Mainline Games

[molten oasis]

well

i doubt they'd make megas and then not let us use them

eventually

[craggy dagger]

imagine xerneas gets a new form where it just reverts to a tree-
where it has nothing in offensive stats but too much bulk

[cyan smelt]

well we know that charizard and mewtwo will get mega Z forms

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

although id like mega's to stay a single player thing only

[solid frigate]

i mean i'm perfectly fine if Megas are in Spin Off

[molten oasis]

i think its healthier those guys are so centralizing

[solid frigate]

Megas are too damn unbalanced compare to Tera or Dynamax

[rustic mountain]

pla was its own thing it had no effect on comp outside later the mons being transferrable. megas would mean thats the gen 10 gimmick

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Z Move idk

[rustic mountain]

like if they exist itll be in za only

[molten oasis]

well, thats what i mean

usable later on

[rustic mountain]

oh, nah i think thats cope

[solid frigate]

unless they bring back all the Gimmicks in Gen 10 for the 10th Gen Anniversary or some shit

[molten oasis]

what, usable later on or not usable

[rustic mountain]

huh

[solid frigate]

but i doubt its gonna be in Mainline

[rustic mountain]

thatd be awful

[molten oasis]

no plz

zmoves megas dmax and tera is way too much

[rustic mountain]

lmao i genuinely would not play

[cyan smelt]

they need to release eternal floette

[solid frigate]

i feel like thats how National Dex Doubles is literally this lmao

[molten oasis]

i dont wanna predict gmax charizard or mega charizard im good

wow i wonder why i dont touch anything beyond vgc on showdown

[rustic mountain]

i terra'd my urshifu next to my dmax csr and then had a z move kyogre in the back w/ mega kangaskhan

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/floette-eternal.gif

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

its over

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why i doubt it would exists

[molten oasis]

the game would die

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

for that gen at least

[rustic mountain]

way too much going on

legacy mode could be fun in future games where u can play past formats/gimmicks but theyll never do that

[solid frigate]

also like

Idk if they will give Mega Kalos Starter to us- but idk

[molten oasis]

if it was the official format, no

if it was like, a casual thing sure

[rustic mountain]

what about that implied official format

[solid frigate]

I'm just coping at this point that Kalos Starters getting Megas

[cyan smelt]

i wonder if OTS will go away on showdown after tera is no longer a thing

[spiral ridge]

God please

[rustic mountain]

probably yea

[spiral ridge]

I want it so bad

[molten oasis]

all gimmicks being official would be bad, but as a casual thing its probably fine

[solid frigate]

all Gimmicks basically like i have 3000 ways to kick your ass moment

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-floette-3000years-nintendo-pokemon-xy-gif-5345626

[molten oasis]

its unhealthy

[solid frigate]

in reality is like 9

but still if gamefreak does that i'm skipping gen 10

[molten oasis]

i would too not that id be fond of it

i like vgc

[rustic mountain]

i think you misunderstood what i said. legacy mode would imply its not a part of an official ladder but something else you can opt into (casual ladder adjacent) and pick a format from say like 2016 and play that format w/ that specific gimmick

[molten oasis]

oh

ic now

[solid frigate]

like

I skipped Gen 8 for a reason of SWSH and BDSP being Mid
(But like i have no money so sorry PLA)

[molten oasis]

again, tired

[rustic mountain]

itd never happen but itd b cool

[molten oasis]

i think dexit was also healthy

[rustic mountain]

basically what sd does in some ways but in game

[cyan smelt]

they should have a legacy mode as part of a subscription service like with stadium and stadium 2

[molten oasis]

just, like, all pokemon would be cool

i think excluding things each gen is also nice

[rustic mountain]

idm dexit

[solid frigate]

at least Furfrou is back in Switch's Pokemon Games

[molten oasis]

i think its also too much on the devs, considering how underoptimized SV was

[solid frigate]

not sure about the Monkeys

[cyan smelt]

what about patrat/watchog

[solid frigate]

i could care less about them

[molten oasis]

who asked for watchog

[cyan smelt]

i really hope spinda is in Z-A

[rustic mountain]

ppl like patrat and watchog

[cyan smelt]

and alolan rattata

[molten oasis]

ik

[rustic mountain]

idk y but they do

[solid frigate]

i feel like there is not that much but eh

[rustic mountain]

im not a fan

[molten oasis]

like how people like bruxish

[solid frigate]

isn't like most of us

[cyan smelt]

i'm a bruxish fan

[molten oasis]

why?

[cyan smelt]

it's a funny pokemon

[solid frigate]

ok nvm i retract my statement

[molten oasis]

fair enough

it has a weridly nice shiny too

[solid frigate]

basically What Dracovish originally be

Just without Fishous Rend

[molten oasis]

i like dracovish

[rustic mountain]

dracovish w/ tera water

[molten oasis]

dracovish is funny

[cyan smelt]

i'd like a game where they brought back all regionals

[molten oasis]

we'd learn how to deal with it

[solid frigate]

thats honestly not a bad idea

[molten oasis]

you understand how genuinely hard that is right?

[rustic mountain]

choice band tera water in rain fishous rend

w/ chien pao sword of ruin

[solid frigate]

with Tailwind

[cyan smelt]

choice scarf garmanitan

[molten oasis]

i wish dude

[rustic mountain]

zen mode darm is so cool

[molten oasis]

gdarm would have been fun

[rustic mountain]

i remember trynna make that work in early swsh

[molten oasis]

so, all regions is like, genuinely so hard to do at least id assume so

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Palkia in Rain: 266-313 (69.2 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

too ambitious for them

[molten oasis]

cuz you need to do ALL mons, ALL locations

[rustic mountain]

they can barely get games on deadlines as is

[cyan smelt]

or just do like a terrarium type thing

[molten oasis]

i think it be too rough since they want to introduce new pokemon so idt doing a big game with all regions would be a good idea

plus people online already do that

[rustic mountain]

yea

[cyan smelt]

no i didn't mean all regions, i just meant all regional forms

[molten oasis]

...

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Helping Hand Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Palkia in Rain: 399-469 (103.9 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Yeah i would just ragequit if i don't have Ogerpon Wellspring

[molten oasis]

my bad

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

thats so stupid

[rustic mountain]

why palkia? cuz its 4x resist?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

gastrodon stonks would be through the roof

[rustic mountain]

fair

[molten oasis]

gastrodon would be required

or a freeze dry mon

or sun

[rustic mountain]

like u said thered b ways to play around it

[molten oasis]

wellspring stonks

[solid frigate]

Gastro or Ogerpon Wellspring would be nice right about now if i see this

[rustic mountain]

thats also ultra specific set up to get that board

[solid frigate]

Farigiraf on the side+Tailwind

[molten oasis]

pelipper and dracovish does that

[solid frigate]

oh god no

[molten oasis]

peli gets tw and hh

so, peli and dracovish

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-gif-7672202

[rustic mountain]

if u get outsped and cant get tw up ur screwed

[molten oasis]

thats true

[rustic mountain]

draco isnt that fast

[solid frigate]

Dracovish one shotting Palkia be like

[rustic mountain]

cant protect w/ cb

[molten oasis]

its like 90 right?

[solid frigate]

75

[rustic mountain]

80s i think

[molten oasis]

oh wow, thats slow

[rustic mountain]

oh

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 882: Dracovish

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Water Absorb, Strong Jaw, Sand Rush (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/90/100/70/80/75

Total

505

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

oof

[solid frigate]

thats VERY Slow for pokemon who needs to be speedy to work

[molten oasis]

urshifu would still be on top

[solid frigate]

but it would be very hilarious to see Dracovish one shotting Palkia

[molten oasis]

why does blacephalon have a cool shiny

[rustic mountain]

blacephalon is cool

[cyan smelt]

disco man

[molten oasis]

yea thats really cool

[solid frigate]

basically Night Mode in Discord vs Light Mode in Discord

[molten oasis]

true lol

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

my favorite of the ub's is naganadel

[rustic mountain]

ultra beasts r generally pretty cool

[molten oasis]

cool typing and i like its design a lot

[cyan smelt]

i like guzzlord because he's just hungry

[molten oasis]

dope ass shiny too

[rustic mountain]

nagandel is 2nd after blacephalon for me

[solid frigate]

More or a Kartana Guy but i also love Celesteela

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/naganadel.gif

[molten oasis]

that shiny is so sick

[rustic mountain]

dragon bee

[solid frigate]

Sting like a bee

[molten oasis]

man, i wish golisopod didn't suck

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/celesteela.gif

[molten oasis]

emergency exit sucks lol

[solid frigate]

ok that shiny sucks-

[rustic mountain]

its ok

[cyan smelt]

i'm still mad about that golisopod player getting dqed at worlds

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/celesteela.gif

[solid frigate]

ehhhhhhhhhhh about that

Its subtle but without my glasses i can't see difference

[molten oasis]

thats a shiny of all time

[solid frigate]

tho i would say Shiny looks more cleaner than original

[rustic mountain]

nah look at serebii side by side

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/kartana.gif

[molten oasis]

thats cool

[solid frigate]

ok

[rustic mountain]

i think u pulled up the same sprite cuz the og is not as light

[cyan smelt]

i need to nickname my kartana paper cut

[solid frigate]

maybe i am too tired as well

[molten oasis]

ultra beast would ahve been cool in this gen

[rustic mountain]

its a decent difference

[molten oasis]

and the tapus

[solid frigate]

And where the fuck Are the Tapus

[rustic mountain]

for celeys shiny

[molten oasis]

mostly koko and fini

[rustic mountain]

not coming

[molten oasis]

they're dead

[rustic mountain]

they wanted the ruins to shine

[cyan smelt]

maybe the tapus will be in Z-A

[rustic mountain]

its classic gf, favor the new gen mons to stay as relevant as possible

[molten oasis]

that honestly completely fair

[cyan smelt]

kalos doesn't have many legendaries

[molten oasis]

next gen maybe

[solid frigate]

I would say Lele is not that good if they wanna make it a support,its mostly Offensive Psychic Terrain Sweeper

[molten oasis]

tapus and ruins, oh shit tapus and ruins would be wild

[solid frigate]

so Indeedee would still be better

[rustic mountain]

fini would be queen

[solid frigate]

its basically a war

[molten oasis]

fr

[cyan smelt]

why did they remove rising voltage from like every mon that had it and made it one of bolt's signature moves

[rustic mountain]

fini walling pao/urshifu

[molten oasis]

my whole reason as to using prima last reg

[solid frigate]

ah yes my favourite Quartet,Tapu Koko,Tapu Fini,Tapu Lele,Rillaboom

[molten oasis]

i like that typing so much its so nice

[rustic mountain]

yea its like baby tapu fini

[solid frigate]

RIP Tapu Bulu

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[rustic mountain]

tapu rilla

[cyan smelt]

tapu bulu needs a physical fairy stab

[molten oasis]

i love tapu rilla

[rustic mountain]

same

[solid frigate]

same

[molten oasis]

the goat

[cyan smelt]

i can't believe that tapu bulu doesn't have play rough

[rustic mountain]

tapu bulu needs grassy glide

[molten oasis]

yea

[cyan smelt]

but then you'd need to give rising voltage to koko, expanding force to lele and misty explosion to fini

[solid frigate]

that could be a good contender,but say it with me

Rillaboom has Fake Out

[rustic mountain]

doesnt fini have play rough

[molten oasis]

does it?

[dapper crag]

Tapu Fini's moveset:

Physical Moves

Dive, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Play Rough, Return, Smart Strike, Waterfall

Special Moves

Blizzard, Brine, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Moonblast, Muddy Water, Nature's Madness, Round, Scald, Shadow Ball, Snore, Stored Power, Surf, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Guard Swap, Haze, Heal Pulse, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mean Look, Mist, Misty Terrain, Nature Power, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Soak, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Telekinesis, Torment, Toxic, Trick, Withdraw, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Fini.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[solid frigate]

isn't Fini a SpA attacker?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[dapper crag]

Tapu Koko's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Brave Bird, Facade, False Swipe, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Quick Attack, Return, Sky Attack, Sky Drop, Spark, Steel Wing, Thief, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Fairy Wind, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Nature's Madness, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Mean Look, Mirror Move, Nature Power, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic, Withdraw, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Koko.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 787: Tapu Bulu

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Grassy Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/130/115/85/95/75

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 785: Tapu Koko

Types

Electric/Fairy

Abilities

Electric Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/115/85/95/75/130

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

why doesnt koko get it

[solid frigate]

the stats weren't that bad for Bulu as well

[molten oasis]

koko gets 3 options wtf

[rustic mountain]

makes too much sense

[molten oasis]

aw you're right

[cyan smelt]

koko and miraidon would be broken

[dapper crag]

Tapu Bulu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Darkest Lariat, Dual Chop, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, High Horsepower, Horn Attack, Horn Leech, Leafage, Mega Punch, Megahorn, Payback, Return, Revenge, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Seed Bomb, Skull Bash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Superpower, Wood Hammer, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mega Drain, Nature's Madness, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Disable, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Guard Swap, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Mean Look, Nature Power, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Rototiller, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt, Telekinesis, Torment, Toxic, Whirlwind, Withdraw, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Bulu.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

thats why fini has it and bulu doesnt

dont u get it?

[molten oasis]

ahhhh

[solid frigate]

tho i would say the Coverage looks nice on Bulu

[molten oasis]

took a second, lets see

[dapper crag]

Tapu Lele's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Play Rough, Psycho Cut, Return, Thief

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Moonblast, Nature's Madness, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Stored Power, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Aromatic Mist, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Flatter, Gravity, Guard Swap, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mean Look, Nature Power, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Taunt, Telekinesis, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Withdraw, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Lele.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

lele is great

i used it a decent amount on csr ho in swsh

[molten oasis]

lele and fini get play rough, bulu and koko dont

[solid frigate]

i love how Tapu Lele,a Psychic Terrain User,Has no Expanding Force lmao

[molten oasis]

i wonder why

[solid frigate]

which not as funny as Lake Trio with Expanding Force

[rustic mountain]

yea but they r mid

[molten oasis]

idt lake trio has ever been good, especially cuz cress exists

[molten oasis]

they'd give it to it

if incin got knock off back i bet they'd let it ahve eforce

[rustic mountain]

i think 1 or 2 of em r in singles

but not vgc yea

[molten oasis]

oh really? interesting

[rustic mountain]

i think im not 100%

[solid frigate]

Azelf Mostly

[molten oasis]

hehe self destruct baybee

[solid frigate]

Uxie is just....

Wtf happened to it

[rustic mountain]

i got uxie randomly shiny in das

[solid frigate]

and i did use Mesprit in Singles,I hate it

[rustic mountain]

i think it was uxie atleast, def wasnt azelf

[cyan smelt]

i still don't understand why they included all of the johto legends but dexited celebi

[rustic mountain]

its a mythical

[molten oasis]

its a mythical

[cyan smelt]

ik

[solid frigate]

I mean some returned

[rustic mountain]

its a mythical

[molten oasis]

mythicals get weird treatment

[solid frigate]

i mean its like which ever Mythicals are popular gets a stay

[molten oasis]

pecharunt is probably the easiest one to get

that and arceus

[solid frigate]

Pecharunt,Mew and Arceus

[rustic mountain]

rip shiny hoopa, shiny volcanion and shiny manaphy, shiny jirachi and all the others either locked or borderline unobtainable at this point

🫡

[molten oasis]

o7

[solid frigate]

i would say Mew is fairly easy to get than other Mythicals

cuz you can get it in couple ways

[molten oasis]

i mean

[rustic mountain]

thru paid research?

[molten oasis]

pecharunt is part of the dlc i think, right?

[rustic mountain]

oh u mean regular mew

[molten oasis]

that and arceus are like, fairly easy to get

[solid frigate]

i got one without Paid Research+ the Mewtwo Raid Mew

[rustic mountain]

yea i thought u meant shiny i was like its not easy or common

[solid frigate]

and like Lets Go as well you can get one

[rustic mountain]

even pogo research i heard takes forever to get it still after u pay

[molten oasis]

i hate they keep limiting shiny hunting stuff

[cyan smelt]

mew is the paid dlc for let's go lmao

[solid frigate]

wait don't tell me its avalible in BDSP cuz Mew would be fairly Easy to get

[molten oasis]

i'd spend time shiny hunting the stuff in SWSH and SV

[solid frigate]

is it Mew or Jirachi

[rustic mountain]

jirachi

[cyan smelt]

both

[rustic mountain]

oh right mew if uhave lgpe

[molten oasis]

was it shiny huntable or no?

[rustic mountain]

no locked

[cyan smelt]

nope

[molten oasis]

thats lame

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

shaymin isnt as well

[solid frigate]

ok yep Mew is definitely the most easiest Mythical to get lmao

there are so many ways to get it lol

[rustic mountain]

shaymin u could tho in bdsp if u got the event item

[molten oasis]

yea thats waht i mean

[solid frigate]

yeah that

[rustic mountain]

i hunted it myself

[cyan smelt]

i still need to hunt shaymin and darkrai in bdsp

[solid frigate]

i got a Shaymin in GO and rn in SV

[rustic mountain]

i did shaymin and darkrai, jus need arceus

[solid frigate]

same

[cyan smelt]

arceus is the worst

[rustic mountain]

full odds is rough

[molten oasis]

yea

[rustic mountain]

thats why ive put if off for so long and cuz bdsp sucks

[cyan smelt]

not just full odds but a full minute cutscene plus long loading times

[solid frigate]

Arceus is basically Torture to grind

like tf we suppose to do

[rustic mountain]

i gta do shiny phione too at some point

[solid frigate]

i rather hunt shiny Legendaries than Shiny Arceus-

[molten oasis]

still doing the shiny stuff rn, grimmsnarl's shiny is

[cyan smelt]

don't end up like ray who went 45k for shiny phione

[rustic mountain]

yea grimmsnarl has a great shiny

[solid frigate]

i thought there is an Event Grimmsnarl from a Tournament

[rustic mountain]

something like that yea

[molten oasis]

there is

i have one

[rustic mountain]

there was

[solid frigate]

ok fair

[rustic mountain]

yea sometimes u want that personal ot

[cyan smelt]

if it took me 45k for anything i'd be reduced to a gibbering mess

[molten oasis]

i want a mark

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-arceus-snorlax-funny-pokemon-game-gif-24684980

[molten oasis]

grimmsnarl the recluse would go so hard

[rustic mountain]

specific mark hunting damn gl lol

[cyan smelt]

alolan raichu the recluse

[molten oasis]

if i wanted to maybe

i dont want to tho thats miserable

[rustic mountain]

i mean non shiyn wouldnt be terrible but shiny and recluse? oof

[molten oasis]

yea

[rustic mountain]

i remember going like 16 deep into a shiny glimmet hunt for a mark, i didnt get any

[solid frigate]

i got Shiny Talonflame the Sociable

[rustic mountain]

not even 1 of the 16 shinies was uncommon marked lol

[molten oasis]

oof

[rustic mountain]

i got a shiny fletchinder the furious

[solid frigate]

Emboar the Peckish sounds so funny

[cyan smelt]

my only rare mark is kingambit

[molten oasis]

talonflame the furious goes kind hard

[balmy glen]

I have shiny rare mark iron valiant and bundle and never used them

[molten oasis]

well, they're mid

[rustic mountain]

yea it was a random but good find

never used it tho lmfao

[solid frigate]

i got Shiny Female Espurr the Stern

[molten oasis]

did you get it post reg b?

[rustic mountain]

yea

i think

[molten oasis]

if only it was during reg b

talon tusk

[rustic mountain]

i think it was reg c or d but im not positive mightve been reg b and i jus never put the team together

[molten oasis]

late reg b maybe

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i just realise i have Shiny Magnezone the Giddy-

Idk why thats funny

[molten oasis]

i have farigiraf the serene

[solid frigate]

i always forgot if Cloud Watcher is uncommon cuz my Bronzong has it

shiny btw

[craggy dagger]

flutter mane the intense/serene/spacey

[molten oasis]

i like intense

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

flutter the intense was first ever shiny pokemon caught

[molten oasis]

are these like, genshin emojis?

[solid frigate]

i think my first is Shiny Abomasnow and i named it Obama

[craggy dagger]

at least i think its intense-
i dont quite remember the mark name

[solid frigate]

HSR

[molten oasis]

based

ah ic

[craggy dagger]

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/delphox.gif

[molten oasis]

thats one of my favorites, those colors are so nice

[solid frigate]

i got all the Kalos Starters Shiny ;-;

Delphox is so hard to hunt

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/quilladin.gif

[craggy dagger]

walnut

[molten oasis]

i got multiple in the go event

[solid frigate]

cuz Savanna Biome has so many Pyroars

[solid frigate]

YOUCH

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/greninja.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/greninja-ash.gif

[solid frigate]

i would say Shiny Ash Greninja is a Downgrade

Normal looks way better

more sleek and clean

[molten oasis]

my top 21 shinies are smth

theivul got the last spot somehow lol

[cyan smelt]

alolan raichu should be on there

[molten oasis]

that shiny's fine

[solid frigate]

all of them are Valid

[molten oasis]

i like grimmsnarl a lot idk why

[cyan smelt]

grimmsnarl is good

[balmy glen]

A lot of my list would be illegal shinies

[cyan smelt]

still remember i played against someone with a shiny BM ursaluna on cart lol

[solid frigate]

moment

[molten oasis]

fair

a lot of the illegal ones would be good to have lol

[balmy glen]

Yk for our Zama team the reason we used Goltres was because we thought the shiny looked cool

[molten oasis]

you're kidding

the reason behind using goltes was because the shiny looked cool?

[balmy glen]

im like half kidding

[molten oasis]

i figured lol

was it a major reason you looked at it or was there more to it?

[balmy glen]

world may never know

[molten oasis]

fair

guess they dont waht that info known, which make's sense

[dull ibex]

Hello everryone

[autumn vault]

Don't tell Drago about my tier list

And no it's not related to copium

[molten oasis]

"don't tell drago about my tier list" replys to me without pinging me

you know groudon should be a tier below

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik, i didn't ping for a reason

I can see why you think it could be lower

And Precipice Blades being innacurate is not so good

[molten oasis]

does groudon have a single result

[autumn vault]

Did have some, in the past

[molten oasis]

this generation

[autumn vault]

I'm still refering to this gen

[molten oasis]

when

[autumn vault]

I can scroll through victory road and find like 2 Groudon teams

[molten oasis]

pretty sure groudon has 0 notable results, notably in regionals

idt groudon has won any limitless tours

its mid

[autumn vault]

Found Groudon's highest placement in NAIC

[molten oasis]

its a very low a tier restricted at best

[molten oasis]

thats, not great, but decent

[autumn vault]

And i found like 20 Koraidons

Or 10 idk

[molten oasis]

i wonder why

[autumn vault]

Ik Groudon is worse than Koraidon i'm aware

I have always been on the Koraidon better side

If Koraidon wasn't around then Groudon could maybe get soem higher results

[molten oasis]

so why is groudon in a

why does it deserve a tier

[autumn vault]

You want to know a hot take i have: although it can be worse in the meta if there is a better option, it doesn't make it worse to play

[autumn vault]

I played it a lot in the past and it felt pretty good

And a week ago too

[molten oasis]

so its purely based off of your experience over it

which is kinda biased

cuz you can do good with quite literally anything in bo1

[autumn vault]

I barely miss Precipice which can be the reason why

I didn't put a lot of effort with Groudon

[molten oasis]

then i dont think a is valid here

[autumn vault]

With Niche restricteds imo they take a lot of effort to get working very well

[molten oasis]

groudon wants the same partners as koraidon

so its easier to build with it than other things

[mighty stump]

Ig its cause the inconsistency in its offensive moveset

[autumn vault]

Groudon doesn't just try to sweep teams and boost it's speed

Oh wait i meant Groudon

[molten oasis]

althoughh like gouging groudon is a thing i saw a little

[autumn vault]

Groudon is a bulky pokemon, Koraidon is a Hyper Offensive pokemon

[molten oasis]

idk, its a b tier restricted at least IMO

maybe low a

tier list are subjective

[autumn vault]

I don't completely rank thigns based off of their viability

because otherwise it would be lower

[molten oasis]

that explains it

i like groudon like, hes cool

koraidon exists

[mighty stump]

I mean you have to rank things according to the consistency/execution power of other options

[autumn vault]

I really like how Groudon feels

[mighty stump]

+/- their overall contribution to matchups

[molten oasis]

yep

[mighty stump]

Since Pokemon’s judgement metrics are always relative

But the metrics themselves are objective