#competitive_discussion

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nocturne holly
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SAMEE

bold geode
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I honestly tried to grow out mine
Did not work

nocturne holly
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im letting my top grow out first
I cut my sides so they don’t poof out but I forgot to ask for the back and now I have a mullet

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they style I’m growing it out for needs a mullet but I don’t think I need it rn

polar canyon
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I'm ngl the point where I cut my hair is when it starts to go over my eyes and becomes an inconvenience and it's actually a good indicator at keeping my usual hairstyle

chrome knot
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i want to cut hair soon and have short but girly hairstyle but transphobic parents so

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i will not be lmao

nocturne holly
mighty stump
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I had long hair

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I just went buzzcut and never looked back

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from manbun to monk

polar canyon
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Game literally has my hair

nocturne holly
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I can’t live with short hair

mighty stump
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Helps I dress like one too

nocturne holly
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I need something to run my hands through

polar canyon
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And it's one of the few hairstyles in game that can't wear hats which sucks lol

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Tbh if I wear hats irl it messes up my hair too

nocturne holly
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I hate hats too tbh

polar canyon
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My hair gets molded in the shape of the hat

nocturne holly
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anyways what restricteds are y’all using

polar canyon
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Terapagos and koraidon

nocturne holly
polar canyon
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I've really been enjoying my terapagos team

nocturne holly
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Might be better because I got shorter sides but 🤷‍♂️

polar canyon
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I cringe at pictures of me from like 4-5 years ago with massive hair

autumn vault
polar canyon
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The sides of my head looked massive

bold geode
nocturne holly
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Real

polar canyon
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And like not white

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And not a child

autumn vault
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I don't want to say how my hair looks, mostly because it's private info

nocturne holly
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My mullet doesn’t look bad when it’s wet

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It like curls up more

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My bed head is CRAZY

polar canyon
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I'm willing to say things about how I look I just won't show proof lol

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Leaving it up to interpretation

autumn vault
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Tofu, i am very interested about your origins related to comp

polar canyon
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I don't really like my wide body shape

autumn vault
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Very fascinating i will admit

polar canyon
autumn vault
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I am rn

mighty stump
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Heres what I used to look like lol

polar canyon
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Like I'm working out but I'm always gonna look wide

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Just because of bone structure

nocturne holly
polar canyon
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It does

nocturne holly
mighty stump
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My aesthetic basically switched over the year

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lol

nocturne holly
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I’ve started really getting into working out and putting on muscle

polar canyon
nocturne holly
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I’ve made some decent gains

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like I was so thin before and I’m like decent but short

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I train for aesthetics tbh

polar canyon
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I'm not really like gym lifting and cardio working out

nocturne holly
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I’m a lifter

polar canyon
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I've been training muay thai which is good aerobic exercise

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Hopefully I'll never actually need to know how to fight in a real situation

bold geode
polar canyon
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I really like the shoes

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It's the type I would wear

mighty stump
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my vibe now is like

polar canyon
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You look like a comp pokemon player idk if that's good or bad

mighty stump
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Lol

polar canyon
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I think it's just an observation

nocturne holly
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Lmao

mighty stump
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this is also the other vibe, so p much a comp player

nocturne holly
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Beard is low key fire

polar canyon
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HE
OODS
EPT

autumn vault
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I like how you just casually show your face like it happened in the past

polar canyon
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I'd share how I look too

autumn vault
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I wouldn't dare to show a glimspe of myself

mighty stump
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idrc

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lol

polar canyon
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I don't feel as insecure as I did months and years ago but now it's just about privacy

bold geode
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Tofu literally showed me a pic of him next to sheep nuts so

mighty stump
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True

chrome knot
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LMAO

mighty stump
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Part of the vet student life at the time

autumn vault
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LMFAO monke

mighty stump
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I did a vasectomy after watching a 2 minute youtube video

bold geode
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Them fuckers were huge too

bold geode
polar canyon
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Why does a sheep get a vasectomy

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Genuine question

mighty stump
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So they were breeding rams

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So you give them a vasectomy to prevent them from breeding and turn them into teaser rams

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that allows the farmer to tighten the breeding period of the ewes

nocturne holly
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Tf are teaser rams

autumn vault
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Interesting

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But yes i would ask the same thing Cigar did

polar canyon
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The rizzer rams

mighty stump
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Teaser rams are the rams you use to tighten the breeding period of the ewes so they go into heat around the same time

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so you can actually inseminate/use the actual breeding rams for better birth timings

autumn vault
nocturne holly
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How do tighten the breeding period

autumn vault
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But i thought you meant the nuts

nocturne holly
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wait so the teasers are infertile?

mighty stump
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they got sterilised

polar canyon
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So they're literally there for the purpose of rizzing up ewes

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Ok Ive had enough of saying that

autumn vault
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I can see why

polar canyon
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I've been reading up on splatoon lore again

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It's insane how deep it goes for the silly multiplayer under 10 years old game

autumn vault
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Oh yeah, i remember the lore of Splatoon again

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The lore can be quite terrifying

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On a game, with underwater creatures

polar canyon
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There's the human apocalypse lore the underground inhumane testing facility lore the war lore

autumn vault
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Yeah

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Most of the humans got killed by natural disasters, the few that were left went to the underground

polar canyon
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The Bible equivalent lore

chrome knot
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squid now im kid now im squid now

polar canyon
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Big run events are literally foreseen by the equivalent of the Bible as the apocalypse

autumn vault
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Yeah

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And i remember reading something that said that salmon rushes (where they go attacking players with insane speed) and in the past many cities fell from those invasions

polar canyon
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Fish apocalypse

autumn vault
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Or Horrorboros screaming a distorted "we are all going to die", not that exactly but sounds like it

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Horrorboros is a King Salmonid for those unaware

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The lore can be very deep

polar canyon
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My favorite part is the deepsea metro sub-humane condition testing facility lore

autumn vault
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In the Octo Expansion right?

polar canyon
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Ye

autumn vault
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Oh yeah

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I developed trust issues with talking telephones from that DLC

polar canyon
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Don't forget the music lore

autumn vault
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And iirc the protagonist is "Test subject number 10.008" and the talking telephone (i forgot their name) tried to put them in a blender, that means that the other 10.007 subjects have, not had good final moments

polar canyon
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One of the few games I know where in game music is canonically being played and the game has its own fictional bands and musicians

autumn vault
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Yeah thats right

polar canyon
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With distinct styles and culture

autumn vault
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Yeah ik

polar canyon
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My favorite is sashimori

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This is some fine competitive Pokémon discussion

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I need to finally finish building my team in game

autumn vault
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Yup

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Definitely didn't derail

autumn vault
polar canyon
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Does it count as procrastinating if I'm putting something technically unimportant off to do important things

autumn vault
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And Kyurem-W rentals have not been made yet

polar canyon
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I don't think I'm sharing the team I'm making because I don't trust my own building skills enough to let others play my teams

autumn vault
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Fair

polar canyon
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Even if it's the team I'm happiest with so far

autumn vault
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I can show my teams here and no one would have any opinions against my teams

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And agree with me

polar canyon
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Honestly a lot of my losses is actually my piloting

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Like later I realize things I could've done differently

autumn vault
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Me too

polar canyon
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I might share the team once it's finished then

autumn vault
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My other skills are very good

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My piloting skills, not so much

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I always try to improve it of course

polar canyon
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Actually using ditto as a dedicated zama counter along with volcarona was cool I think

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Zama counters itself so well lol

calm gulch
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is he here

autumn vault
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Yeah

polar canyon
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And zama is especially good against a burned zama

calm gulch
autumn vault
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If your Zama sets up an ID and they don't, you basically win the MU

polar canyon
polar canyon
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Because I switch in my non burned ditto

autumn vault
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Yeah

polar canyon
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And they rarely are tera fire

autumn vault
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And despite ditto not having a lot of hp

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The Zama's damage will still be pathetic

polar canyon
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I used tera stellar for testing which was fun but probably should use a better proper type as I'm building the team

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Probably ghost

autumn vault
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Yeah

bold geode
autumn vault
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I heard that if your ditto is stellar and switches out, it will stay as a ditto forever

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Doesn't happen with other teras

polar canyon
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I think I did get an ohko I wouldn't get without stellar tera one time

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Shadow ball flutter mane vs original flutter mane

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But I could've done the same with tera ghost so

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Oh yeah the team

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I think my cookies got cleared on mobile browser so I lost all my teams

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Thankfully I had the paste open on another tab

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That's the torn spread I'm proud of because I carefully calcd for it and tofu said it's actually pretty good

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Any thoughts?

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I think I did change Ursh to just be the max max adamant scarf set

charred saddle
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leaning more towards dark tera covert cloak torn

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FO is more prevalent than taunt

polar canyon
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Is it

autumn vault
autumn vault
# polar canyon Is it

I prefer Tera Dark Covert Cloak, Fake Out is more common than Taunt and Tera Dark shuts down any prankster status move more than once and it can be useful in a pinch

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 763: Tsareena
Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Queenly Majesty, Sweet Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/120/98/50/98/72

Total

510

nocturne holly
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What is ttars niche

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I’ve seen a fair bit of it on ladder

polar canyon
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Cant it take both calyrex forms

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In a world that doesn't have tera fairy draining kiss and hhp

nocturne holly
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Idk what to run

autumn vault
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It also has seen some good usage with Zama and they got to 14th place in NAIC iirc

nocturne holly
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I might try ttar
What restricted tho

autumn vault
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It is also a part of the CIR Tyranitar Hariyama core thats been running around not too long ago

autumn vault
bold geode
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I know I'm running Zac but man I miss IDBP Zamazenta

nocturne holly
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Tbh zac was the only restricted I enjoy using

bold geode
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I enjoyed Ray and Zama and also am enjoying my current Zac shit

nocturne holly
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Sd ray is cool

nocturne holly
bold geode
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There's not a restricted I've touched yet that I've really hated
Even Groudon wasn't too bad

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Just not as consistent as the other options I used

nocturne holly
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They just feel boring to use

solid frigate
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Precimiss Blades

bold geode
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Like Zacian even with its Incin hate was still more consistent even with the subpar team (Japan shell wasn't that subpar, but not exactly what Zac needed)

nocturne holly
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I might do either zama or ray tbh

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I like mons that can set up

autumn vault
# nocturne holly How does cir benefit from ttar

Tyranitar counters the fire types that threaten CIR, CIR threatens the grass, water and ground types that threaten Tyranitar and Tyranitar is also decently slow so along with CIR can be used pretty well in Trick Room

bold geode
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Zamazenta more consistent
On my Ray team, I usually brought Gholdengo more 😂

bold geode
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Ray got hit with power creep too lol

autumn vault
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Many pokemon get hit with power creep

nocturne holly
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I might do cir and ttar
But doesn’t shifu do its job better lol
Takes care of the fire types

autumn vault
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Yeah

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But it's not great in TR

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Thats the only reason i have to defend my opinion lol

solid frigate
bold geode
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Except it got hit by power creep in a weird way to where it's not good, but it's also not bad

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Like in single restricted, you want the restricted to be powerful and contribute a good bit
Rayquaza doesn't do that as much as others

nocturne holly
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I might do nasty plot csr with amoonguss actually

autumn vault
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Mewtwo has CSR, Lugia has always been trash, Ho-Oh is just restricted Entei, Groudon is slightly worse than Koraidon, Kyogre is still great, Rayquaza is generally not great and Dragonite does it's role but worse (also a worse pokemon but that opinion is not popular), Dialga is ok but there are other TR pokemon better than it, Palkia is just not great in single restricted formats, Giratina has always been not so good, Zekrom has Miraidon (fuck you miraidon) and bolt (i love you bolt), Reshiram has Gouging fire and has never been amazing, Kyurem-Black is just worse Bax and Kyurem-White is ok but very snow reliant to be a powerful threat

bold geode
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Plus Ray is slower pace
Meta is faster paced rn
Unless you know what you are doing and can execute, slower play is rough

solid frigate
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Giratina actually has been used in Gen 4-5 i think idk

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i maybe wrong

nocturne holly
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What csr sets are there

bold geode
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Ray needs that setup even with Chien Pao
Dnite eh not so much

solid frigate
# autumn vault Mewtwo has CSR, Lugia has always been trash, Ho-Oh is just restricted Entei, Gro...

Xerneas is fucking busted,Yveltal needs another restricteds to use his supporting Option,Zygarde is too technical but still great

Solgaleo Has Movepool Problem,Lunala is Great in both Single and Double Restricteds,Dusk Mane is depressing without Clear Body,Dawn Wings is worse Lunala but is better than the cats,Zacian is still standing even with Power Creep,Zamazenta is now so good,Calyrex both forms are unfair,Koraidon is doing worse than expected but still Good,Miraidon is a fucking Delete Button,Terapagos is Great

violet kindle
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Anyone wanna multi battle need 1 more

autumn vault
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They are just really good Dragon/Flying Partners for Chien Pao

autumn vault
polar canyon
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Yall

violet kindle
polar canyon
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I think I'm going to a tiny tourney in a card game store this saturday

autumn vault
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gl

next stump
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an official one?

polar canyon
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Saw it on the play pokemon site so yeah technically official

autumn vault
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I'm participating in a Tournament in a private server and the first round starts tomorrow

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Planning to bring Kyurem-W

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You know, the same team thats been doing pretty good for me

polar canyon
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First irl event

autumn vault
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Hopefully you do good in the tourney you're participating in

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Also this is just funny

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Crit did not matter btw

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The calcs showed me that it would have OHKO'd even without the crit

polar canyon
autumn vault
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Yay, a ray team i can delete

molten oasis
next stump
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make sure that you have a Play! Pokemon account created and your player ID ready

autumn vault
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They lead Ray and Araquanid

next stump
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also, you'll need an open teamsheet printed of your team

autumn vault
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Just deleted the araquanid with a crit that did not matter

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And the dark urshifu

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man i love killing things so quickly

next stump
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yeah, you need to either bring in your own or filled out one of their teamsheets

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usually just easier to bring your own

molten oasis
autumn vault
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Yeah ik

molten oasis
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Instead of risking a loss clicking blizzard

autumn vault
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Yeah ik

molten oasis
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Ok then

lofty tartan
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Hey Dillon blurplesphealwave

next stump
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hello 😄

lofty tartan
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How's things? 😄

nocturne holly
dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White
Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

molten oasis
dapper crag
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Move: Fusion Flare

Power doubles if the last move used by any Pokemon this turn was Fusion Bolt.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

molten oasis
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im throwing a concept at the ladder rn

nocturne holly
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Good special atk

molten oasis
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i ran into the mirror

nocturne holly
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I have no idea what to do

lofty tartan
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Whatever looks fun

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I'm playing around with Shiliang's Kyogre/Wo-Chien right now

molten oasis
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just pick something

next stump
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I am doing good, haven't played a ton of pokemon lately but enjoying life outside of it for the most part

lofty tartan
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Yeah it's good to stop grinding and enjoy things 😄

autumn vault
lofty tartan
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The wife and I have been playing a lot of FFXIV recently because of the new expansion, but I have a local coming up on the 21st

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Also I get older tomorrow which is dreadful 😐

molten oasis
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bleakwind double miss my favorite

nocturne holly
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Gooudlucckkk

autumn vault
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Sometimes it's best to take a small break of competitive and enjoy other things

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Helps more than some people might think

lofty tartan
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Yeah breaks are good for reinvigorating you 😄

autumn vault
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Yeah

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Plus i sometimes take breaks from bad skill, bad rng or other things

lofty tartan
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I usually find that I come back to the game stronger than when I left, if only by a tiny margin

autumn vault
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And when i come back i feel much better

lofty tartan
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Normalize taking it easy in pokemong vgc miyapraise

molten oasis
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2 game i didn't bring a9 lol

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a CIR and a mirror mu

autumn vault
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I understand why

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Sometimes i don't bring A9 with Kyurem

molten oasis
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time to not bring it again lol

autumn vault
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I bring it and Kyurem against slower pace teams

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Aurora Veil helps so much against CIR and the like

molten oasis
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im staring at the team Aurelian took to NAIC

lofty tartan
autumn vault
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Interesting

molten oasis
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this one has tri attack

autumn vault
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Never seen Tri Attack

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Atleast not on a Porygon or terapagos

molten oasis
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wow, the rain mode just won without kyurem at all lol

autumn vault
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Damn

molten oasis
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ogerpon/lando/torn swept

autumn vault
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Assuming this is another Snowscape/Rain Dance team, right?

molten oasis
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yea

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why are you wasting your tw turns

autumn vault
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Been scrolling through mentions on Kyurem-White to find a past Calc i made before, found this and its so true for no reason

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Found the calc

lofty tartan
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I think the most success I had with KyuremW so far was with Vest. Tried Specs and LOrb

molten oasis
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i lost to a koraidon spamming protect thats so cool oldmanshrug

autumn vault
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Yeah, definitely sounds very cool

molten oasis
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onto the next one

nocturne holly
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Bo3 anyone btw

molten oasis
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i could have played it better

lofty tartan
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Really really hate the specs/tera ice builds because emulating Articuno without Snow Cloak just opens you up with a bad defensive type

autumn vault
molten oasis
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still annoying

autumn vault
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Achieves the same damage with HH and no specs

junior patrol
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Anyone wanna battle me? I'm looking to get some more experience playing Comp

lofty tartan
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Output with Vest wasn't lacking if that's what you're asking, Sour

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Like his high base special sorta makes up for it

dapper crag
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Ability: Turboblaze

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

autumn vault
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And thermal exchange

autumn vault
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Username Lycopoky Slimesy

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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thats a tera rock sceptile

autumn vault
junior patrol
autumn vault
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Showdown

lofty tartan
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I didn't really like the A9 version, personally, because Kyurem already has an awkward speed stat, so he really appreciates Tailwind

nocturne holly
lofty tartan
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I just ran Snowscape Torn.

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The snow is nice but not necessary.

nocturne holly
molten oasis
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im running a9, i want veil

autumn vault
molten oasis
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although the team i have is kinda weird

autumn vault
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I will

lofty tartan
nocturne holly
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Damn yea tr eats you up

molten oasis
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idt a9 is like that bad its finding team members that help the duo that's really tricky

lofty tartan
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Ended up taking Sucker off Ursh for Stellar Blast

autumn vault
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You got Banded Urshifu-S, you atleast have ways to deal with it

lofty tartan
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I didn't say anything was bad, Drago. I said I didn't like it arkeknine

molten oasis
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fair

nocturne holly
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I think a9s bad

molten oasis
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gmae 4 of not bringing a9 lol

lofty tartan
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I like A9

autumn vault
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A9 is ok

lofty tartan
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Like as a general pokemon I think it's great and ultimately it's the better snow setter when compared to Abomasnow

autumn vault
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Not always good, but very nice to have on a Kyurem-W team

molten oasis
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ture yea abomasnow is so bad

autumn vault
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Oh yeah it's way better than Obamasnow

lofty tartan
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We need some snow setting love. Where's my Restricted Snow Boy?

autumn vault
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CIR or Kyurem?

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Both forms count

lofty tartan
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One that sets snow.

molten oasis
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Kyurem

junior patrol
molten oasis
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CIR doesn't need snow at all

lofty tartan
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Like Groudon/Kyurem

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Not just an ice type Restricted.

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We need a sand setter and snow setter on Restricted duty.

molten oasis
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i lose lol

autumn vault
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I agree

molten oasis
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bloodmoon just rolled me

autumn vault
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I want a Rock Type as the sand setter and unlike tyranitar, have an actually usable type

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And for snow, idk ice type

molten oasis
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welp

nocturne holly
autumn vault
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We're not GameFreak

molten oasis
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note to self bloodmoon is an issue

autumn vault
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Blood Moon can be quite strong

molten oasis
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well, tr is an issue

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bloodmoon can just ohko the whole team with hyper voice and bloodmoon

autumn vault
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Yeah

molten oasis
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and my team is composed of frail attackers+kyurem and a9

nocturne holly
autumn vault
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Yeah sure

nocturne holly
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On sd

autumn vault
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Username Lycopoky Slimesy

molten oasis
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this team's very weak to ice thats cool

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sash dengo

molten oasis
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my question is why

nocturne holly
autumn vault
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I saw it

molten oasis
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damn i just got, hmm

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this teams a bit clunky

junior patrol
molten oasis
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i won at least

autumn vault
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ok

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sent

molten oasis
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may i watch?

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@autumn vault

autumn vault
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2nd match

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He lost the first one due to a DC

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I'm playing 2 Bo3s rn

junior patrol
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I wasn't expecting to get frozen damn

molten oasis
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the misses were huge

autumn vault
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Yeah

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i was playign 2 Bo3s so i couldn't think that much

nocturne holly
#

Gg

molten oasis
#

ic

nocturne holly
#

damn that freeze made my wanna fucking kill someone

molten oasis
#

sour who won your bo3?

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or are you still playing

nocturne holly
#

I did I was playing against lycopoky

molten oasis
#

nice

autumn vault
#

Zacian is a rough MU for Kyurem

nocturne holly
#

kyurem is annoying

autumn vault
#

And again i accepted two Best Of threes

nocturne holly
#

So much coverage
I can’t even really Tera safely in front of it

molten oasis
#

id be down for a bo3

autumn vault
#

So not much thinking time

foggy lodge
#

It's so funny to me seeing some yt shorts of wolfey and reading comments say "oh that mon is PU why are you using it" totally ignoring the fact that is a VGC channel lol

nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

k

autumn vault
#

Can i watch that?

molten oasis
#

yea

#

user sour?

nocturne holly
#

User??

foggy lodge
#

hmmm i should practice

autumn vault
#

Still playign the Bo3 against Knight

nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

k

nocturne holly
#

it was my weezing era very salty lmao

foggy lodge
#

@molten oasis can you play with me when you are done?

autumn vault
#

Finished the Bo3

molten oasis
#

yea

autumn vault
#

GGs @junior patrol

junior patrol
solid frigate
#

paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

autumn vault
#

Hello there

junior patrol
#

I did better the second match I just didn't bring a trick room mon

molten oasis
#

wow just in time to watch more bo3's lol

nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

im in a match 1 sec

#

eh well hes not clicking anything

nocturne holly
#

np take your time

molten oasis
#

you're offline

nocturne holly
#

Again one sec

autumn vault
#

Yeah he's right

solid frigate
#

Terrakion or Iron Boulder?

autumn vault
#

I would also like to Bo3 again but the ones that do want to are busy rn

nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

bro im gonna lose to a glastrier with body press

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

aer you online cuz i keep sending invites and getting nothing

nocturne holly
#

Just tell me your username I have bad connection rn

autumn vault
#

The randoms are sure making my brain rot

nocturne holly
molten oasis
slim oak
#

Hello I know it’s not S/v but I’m looking for someone to help me evolve a couple trade evos in Sw Sh

molten oasis
#

i won its fine lol

#

send again plz

nocturne holly
slim oak
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
#

it keeps, wtf

#

did you get that?

#

why did you reject the challege

lofty tartan
#

Lmao

autumn vault
#

Lol, sad

lofty tartan
#

The struggle is real

nocturne holly
solid frigate
#

moment

nocturne holly
#

Showdown is fucking tweaking

molten oasis
#

reload the page

nocturne holly
#

it’s my team what the fuck is it on

autumn vault
#

Restart it

solid frigate
#

just chose a different format and then chose Reg G again\

molten oasis
#

or that

solid frigate
#

that worked for me before

autumn vault
#

Restart ❌
Rest Art✅

#

Brainrot in a nutshell

molten oasis
#

finally

solid frigate
autumn vault
#

Yeah

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I will just use Tera Fire Fusion Flare and melt their Zama

#

With tailwind

solid frigate
#

I have zero Options against it if i use Kyogre lol

#

i mean i can just spout them

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156+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 220 HP / 84 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain: 156-184 (80 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
156+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 220 HP / 84 SpD Tera Grass Zamazenta-Crowned: 84-100 (43 - 51.2%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO

autumn vault
#

Wash them away with Water spout ig

solid frigate
solid frigate
autumn vault
#

Unlike the opponents, we actually have solid skill with the things we're using

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

fair enough

solid frigate
autumn vault
lofty tartan
#

Roaring Moon has recently been putting up some good results

autumn vault
#

Not roaring mid

#

We called it that before Reg F

lofty tartan
#

Got third place in Tommy Tuesday last night

solid frigate
#

So should i use Boulder or Terrakion

autumn vault
#

Boulder imo

#

Just because i would have a better MU against your team

solid frigate
#

like i can do Beat of Strat with Terrakion but Boulder can hit through Protect (Still stupid but eh)

lofty tartan
#

Mighty Cleave is like the Spanish Inquisition.

autumn vault
solid frigate
#

honestly i do love playing Iron Boulder tho

Rock Type Coverage is kinda nice

dapper crag
#
Rock
Hits for 0.5x

Fighting, Ground, Steel

Hits for 1x

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Fire, Flying, Ice

autumn vault
solid frigate
#

we know

autumn vault
#

I see Spain mentioned, i bring up the flag

polar canyon
#

I'm a little nervous

#

First league challenge coming soon

#

Wonder if my team works well enough

solid frigate
#

might use le Ogre

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

ggs

nocturne holly
#

@molten oasis gg

autumn vault
#

nice win

solid frigate
#

kinda wanna practice with my Ogre team

molten oasis
#

lets go then

nocturne holly
#

I’m so fucking stupid
I forgot shofu was scarfed so I thought behemoth would ko ogerpon

nocturne holly
#

tbh there wasn’t anything I could do there wp

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

even if I like u turned

molten oasis
#

i like ogerpon, ogerpon's nice

nocturne holly
autumn vault
#

I use the Rock one

nocturne holly
#

good for the shifu mu

autumn vault
#

I wish i brought it in against you

molten oasis
#

its mostly to prevent SS

#

user Torrent?

autumn vault
#

Its Morrispxg something

molten oasis
#

nvm

autumn vault
#

idk if its 123 or 456

nocturne holly
autumn vault
#

I would also like to Bo3 soon

molten oasis
#

ok

autumn vault
#

Nice match

molten oasis
#

that was unfair im ngl

nocturne holly
#

kyurem is so annoying

#

So much coverage

molten oasis
#

blizzard spam was pretty free there but still

solid frigate
#

ok that double freeze is just plain dumb but nice throwback to Wolfey Froze his Volcarona and Grimmsnarl

molten oasis
#

oh yea lol

autumn vault
#

Hilarious ngl

solid frigate
#

Literally the Same exact throwback

#

at least i do have lucky moments with Kyurem Para 4 times

autumn vault
#

Yeah

solid frigate
#

i can't be mad

autumn vault
#

But a double freeze is just painful

molten oasis
autumn vault
#

Especially from a 10% chance

molten oasis
#

its lower since it hit both

#

ik the odds of a double freeze are insanely low

autumn vault
#

You are definitely going to bring Terrakion against me in the private server tournament

molten oasis
#

rock coverage good

#

ok uh

autumn vault
#

Always nice to have

molten oasis
#

i need to look over my team a little

#

i think ogerpon ky a9 and incin feel good

#

not sure about lando and torn tho

#

although i probably need to be running speed control

nocturne holly
#

I think ima take a break from vgc and just see what comes to mind
Idk what to runnn

autumn vault
#

Those quick and agile Tera Fire fusion flares help a lot against the crowned dogs

dapper crag
#
- [Ice/Dragon]
Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

molten oasis
#

which, im unsure why you werent utilizing tera fire into zacian

#

which is, your whole line for it

autumn vault
#

Yeah idk why

#

I was playing against someone else so i couldn't think well

molten oasis
#

fair enough

autumn vault
#

And that Bleakwind game 2 was unintentional

#

Meant to click Tailwind

#

Basically my performance was terrible

molten oasis
#

its fine it happens

autumn vault
#

It does

nocturne holly
#

Yea kyurem is tough into zac

nocturne holly
#

Pre Tera you have fusion flare

#

Post Tera you have blizzard and freeze dry

molten oasis
#

mhmm

autumn vault
#

Yeah we know

nocturne holly
#

annoying ahh Mon

autumn vault
#

I will come back here soon

#

Got to go do some stuff

molten oasis
#

im also gonna go do other stuff

nocturne holly
#

kyurem is like a really weak mu for

#

I don’t have a good defensive core against it

molten oasis
#

you need to play better into it

nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

shifu and zac

#

you can threaten me pretty easily with that

#

peli gives you weather control

#

then rilla is nice for fo pressure

little plank
solid frigate
#

holy fu i still havve that backlash from The Freeze

molten oasis
#

LOL

solid frigate
#

Piplup uses Bitter Malice!

autumn vault
#

ANGRY BIRDS THEME INTENSIFIES

molten oasis
#

pfff

solid frigate
autumn vault
#

That was a salty rage quit

autumn vault
solid frigate
autumn vault
#

I still laugh about that ngl

little plank
#

Normally I would swap to fish turn 2 but debated swapping in dondozo for turtle and Going for will o wisp on cat as well lol

molten oasis
#

i will be laughing about that

#

cuz thats fucking funny

autumn vault
#

Good thing i don't use Solgaleo

solid frigate
#

meanwhile me:Insert Froakie go angy

little plank
#

I miss using solgaleo in sword and shield 😦

molten oasis
#

BUT he should have played that out

autumn vault
#

Yeah

little plank
#

He probably though I was going to switch to tatsugiri

autumn vault
#

Most likely

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

well you can bb volc and sacred dozo

nocturne holly
autumn vault
solid frigate
autumn vault
#

Nerding on the nerd

molten oasis
#

Erm ☝️ stfu

nocturne holly
little plank
#

Either way those 2 weren't going to drop my dozo lol he's full defense ev with defense boost fish

solid frigate
#

That Marowak in The graveyard

nocturne holly
solid frigate
little plank
#

That dozo is my zacian / zamazenta / koraidon counter

autumn vault
nocturne holly
autumn vault
solid frigate
autumn vault
molten oasis
#

is it worse than monke's brainrot tho

autumn vault
#

True

nocturne holly
#

funky monke

solid frigate
#

Gen Alpha Brain Rot is just.

#

God Awful

autumn vault
nocturne holly
molten oasis
#

this was my gens brainrot and it was so much better

autumn vault
#

Agreed

molten oasis
#

literally because it was actually funny

solid frigate
molten oasis
nocturne holly
#

what in the skibidi do you mean

autumn vault
#

Our generation had way better brainrot

autumn vault
molten oasis
nocturne holly
#

Who is im im im

solid frigate
autumn vault
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

look up we like to party on yt it might be the first thing

#

click the one with tf2 characters on it

solid frigate
#

ok now i get it now

autumn vault
#

I will preserve my braincells

#

So i won't google it up

nocturne holly
#

the brainrots funny sometimes

solid frigate
#

yeah tf2 memes are hilarious

molten oasis
autumn vault
molten oasis
#

gen alpha's brainrot sucks

nocturne holly
#

it’s not funny when you overdo it

solid frigate
autumn vault
#

Yeag

molten oasis
#

when was gen alpha funny

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

exactly

solid frigate
autumn vault
#

When was gen alpha funny?

#

How many eyebrows does Cyrus have? 0

nocturne holly
#

The squidward what the sigma voice was funny when it first came out

#

ngl it gets too much hate

solid frigate
#

but like

#

the Meme is just not funny at all

nocturne holly
#

skibidi slicerssss

#

ok but like
We’re just old

autumn vault
#

Guys

#

Would you go to the White House in United States of American number 2?

solid frigate
#

wha

autumn vault
#

Yeah basically like Gen Alpha, it's not funny and stupid

solid frigate
#

yeah

#

Sonic 06 is better than Gen Alpha Bullshit

autumn vault
#

Sword Shield without DLC is better

solid frigate
#

like i was saying

autumn vault
#

Well, we can't fix anything by just complaining

#

No point in doing it

#

Outside of expressing opinions of course

solid frigate
#

its not gonna be fixed by a longshot,its already destroyed

autumn vault
#

It's not destroyed

#

It's nuked the hell out of itself

solid frigate
#

also yeah now i have PTSD again

autumn vault
#

Double Freeze?

molten oasis
#

hahaha

solid frigate
#

Now i suddenly don't wanna use Kyogre

#

infact,All 3 of my main Teams are weak to Kyurem

#

i don't think i win against a kyurem white before outside of not being lucked

molten oasis
#

anti meta baybee

solid frigate
#

who has a Ground Move

molten oasis
#

no, kyurem white is anti meta

autumn vault
#

Kyurem-White isn't used that much

solid frigate
#

i know,its just the problem isn't really anti meta for my end

#

its just My teambuilding and pplaying badly

little plank
#

Does blood moon have an increased chance to crit or something?

#

I swear every time it's used on my dozo it crits

solid frigate
molten oasis
autumn vault
#

Yeah ik genius

autumn vault
#

But i love Kyurem-W honestly

nocturne holly
#

Just because it’s not being used much doesn’t make it anti meta

solid frigate
#

i would say its kinda my problem

#

but the second game isn't-

nocturne holly
solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

yea

solid frigate
#

ok sure

little plank
solid frigate
nocturne holly
solid frigate
#

MorrisPXG456

#

I'm using my Main Main Team now

solid frigate
nocturne holly
little plank
#

Ugh that's so aggravating

molten oasis
#

i'd like to watch

solid frigate
#

haven't used it for a while

molten oasis
#

cool

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

Sent

little plank
molten oasis
#

bro

nocturne holly
#

damn I didn’t know what the fuck I was doing there

molten oasis
#

that game 2, wtf was going on

solid frigate
#

that turn one sleep is just-

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

fair enough

solid frigate
nocturne holly
#

I fucked so badddddb

zinc totem
nocturne holly
#

Yea I’m gonna take a break from vgc cya

solid frigate
#

honestly if you get another turn sleep i am dead

nocturne holly
#

sleep is so unreliable

solid frigate
#

its reliable if you got the lucky sleep turns

nocturne holly
#

Just one guaranteed turn
And terapagos is annoying because I can’t capitalize on it because of Tera shell

solid frigate
#

you shut me off well

nocturne holly
#

Anyways I’m done for probably like a couple days

#

I needa come in fresh

solid frigate
#

also Grassy terrain kinda is a double edge sword if Pagos did not that much damage as it will reactivate the Shell

zinc totem
#

oh yea, terapagos is annoying with leftovers + grassy

solid frigate
#

i'm not lefties Pagos

zinc totem
#

heck i saw one time life dew with terapagos

solid frigate
#

I'm Covert Pagos

little plank
#

I prefer heal pulse over life dew

zinc totem
#

clefairy life dew with pagos KEKWDISCO

solid frigate
#

Life Dew is ok but clefairy Pagos feels too defensive

autumn vault
#

I'm leftovers Pagos

zinc totem
solid frigate
autumn vault
#

lol

solid frigate
#

literally does the same thing

autumn vault
zinc totem
#

yeah but it doesnt get screwd by safety goggles taunt from inci

little plank
#

@solid frigate you think I should finally make this team on cart since I am consistently 1600-1750 with it on showdown lol

solid frigate
little plank
#

How did it work out for you lol

#

Did you play dozo full defensive?

solid frigate
#

its just not my playstyle

I swear i play IDBP or BP badly

#

tho it works

little plank
#

Speak of the devil

autumn vault
#

LMFAO

solid frigate
#

tortol

autumn vault
#

Turtel

solid frigate
#

plus Amogus Side Pollen Puff moment

little plank
zinc totem
#

haha

solid frigate
#

oh its specs vs CM

zinc totem
#

im atm cooking up something with groudon and darkshifu with chiyu

autumn vault
#

Specs good

#

Calm Mind good

zinc totem
#

terapagos cm is one of most annoying things haha

solid frigate
#

its not that annoying

#

i fought countless of them

autumn vault
#

You ironically have very similar elo to your opponent Sinclair

zinc totem
#

yeah but its guessing game between protect and CM lol

solid frigate
#

sure its good but its not as annoying

#

i used Pagos so i know how Pagos plays,and CM Pagos is not annoying,its more like Partners do better job helping it

autumn vault
#

True

#

As a specs pagos player it is not super annoying, the members can really help it

solid frigate
#

it i wanna say annoying,Its Calyrex.

Still not Unhealthy Levels of annoying,they are meant to be played like that so its not their fault

Muk and Smeragle.... yeah thats another story

zinc totem
#

minimize muk with smeargle is paaain

autumn vault
#

And we can't forget

solid frigate
#

just Taunt Smeragle and Spore Muk

autumn vault
#

Terapagos is very well made

solid frigate
#

or FO Muk and Spore Muk

zinc totem
little plank
#

Lol muk smeargle is so annoyingly fun to play

autumn vault
#

Yeah

#

They are annoying af to face

solid frigate
balmy glen
zinc totem
#

groudon with darkshifu

balmy glen
#

i dont get it

solid frigate
balmy glen
#

other guy

balmy glen
zinc totem
solid frigate
solid frigate
#

to show why you put this in this team

balmy glen
#

it just looks like a groudon meta 6

autumn vault
#

Even darkshifu?

balmy glen
#

yes

solid frigate
#

like i put Iron Crown for saying shut the fuck up to Amogus and Tera Ground Tera Blast into Incin

autumn vault
#

Because i don't see it a lot with Groudon tbh

balmy glen
#

pretty standard just no flutter

zinc totem
#

i mean no one play darkshifu in groudon team but more rapid-strike or flutter instead

autumn vault
balmy glen
#

u would never run rapid strike over dark shifu on this team

solid frigate
#

Caly Ice i have to check

autumn vault
#

Since the Sun exists

little plank
solid frigate
#

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 192-230 (92.7 - 111.1%) -- approx. 43.8% chance to OHKO

ok i am just-

zinc totem
#

weather wars and if your sun ransout rapid strike shines abit better

#

also i should swap probably shifu anyway to flutter instead beacuse typings are too muchg weak to fight

solid frigate
#

Iron Crown Really likes to Bully Caly Ice it seems

#

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice: 151-180 (72.9 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

zinc totem
#

but lately i've been addicted to floatzel for some reason

solid frigate
#

why

zinc totem
#

and yes team where floatzel shines, rapid-strike shines better but flip turn and wave crash are just fun

solid frigate
#

there is one that does the same thing

zinc totem
#

yeah the barraskrewda

zinc totem
#

also that

zinc totem
#

i just somehow love this one

solid frigate
#

just use Basculegion if you wanna use these two moves

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 419: Floatzel
Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/55/85/50/115

Total

495

zinc totem
solid frigate
#

Stupidly Frail

dapper crag
#
Basculegion's moveset:
Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Bite, Crunch, Double-Edge, Endeavor, Facade, Flail, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Head Smash, Headbutt, Ice Fang, Last Respects, Liquidation, Outrage, Phantom Force, Psychic Fangs, Scale Shot, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Waterfall, Wave Crash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Chilling Water, Hex, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Shot, Muddy Water, Night Shade, Shadow Ball, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Confuse Ray, Endure, Pain Split, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Soak, Spite, Substitute, Tail Whip

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Basculegion.

solid frigate
#

bro i rather use Basculegion cuz at least its Tanky

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 902: Basculegion
Types

Water/Ghost

Abilities

Swift Swim, Adaptability, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/112/65/80/75/78

Total

530

Other Formes

Basculegion-F

solid frigate
#

it hits Harder and more tankier in HP

zinc totem
#

tho i love se floatzel outspeed cary-s

solid frigate
#

Trick Room:

zinc totem
#

tailroom is rarely run with carylex-s but then my zacian or incineroar outspeeds it in tr aswell

#

which is also funny

solid frigate
#

actually tho

zinc totem
#

tho i probs dont see them cuz they're in tournament more i guess

solid frigate
#

ok then how about Miraidon?

#

like this team is just fucking Obliterated by Miraidon

zinc totem
#

zacian isnt

#

and ice spinner cien-pao 1 shots it

solid frigate
#

why not use a Ground type for that cuz its more safe

zinc totem
#

zacian tanks also kyogre with tera dragon

solid frigate
# zinc totem zacian isnt

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 220-259 (113.9 - 134.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

i'm sorry,it does not

solid frigate
#

plus you seem that you did not consider Miraidon Teams also has Tailwind,a Prankster Tailwind Mon.

solid frigate
zinc totem
#

they normally specs so

solid frigate
zinc totem
#

true but miraidon hasnt gotten trouble for me yet

solid frigate
#

literally they can just pivot and why you are being idiotic about using a mon that generates more problem against Miraidon

#

honestly

#

why would i talk to a brick wall rn

#

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Tera Dragon Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 147-173 (76.1 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Anyways

zinc totem
#

not to mention flutter mane weakens miraidon pretty well meaning that they either need tera into electric type or fairy type but then they risk getting behemot bladed and t-waved

solid frigate
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Tera Dragon Does not matter honestly

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still die to double up

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 124 HP / 12 SpD Flutter Mane in Electric Terrain: 192-226 (131.5 - 154.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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but it tanks enough to either kill miraidon or weaken it significally meaning it can taken down after

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Tera Dragon Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 219-258 (113.4 - 133.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Even with Fari helping hand

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i mean they throw tailwind first or zacian outspeeds miraidon

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yeah but once they tailwind, they give me free hit on miraidon to ohko or weaken it

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also using Tera Dragon not only getting Suspectable by Draco meteor but they can also Pivot

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so unless they pivot, they risk losing it

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hasnt happened many times yet in ladder for me

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let me ask

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what elo are you

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master ball rank

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1.how did you assume Without testing

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i literally play with that team in there

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honestly,like unless bad piloting,Miraidon calcs is still enough

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or i play well enough to deal with miraidon teams or they are just sucky players could be a thing too

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tbf master ball tier dont need skill to get

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its climbing in master ball tier that needs

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oh talk about miraidon teams

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just meeting one KEKWDISCO

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252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 132 HP / 28 SpD Tera-Dragon Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 108-127 (58.6 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO just did calcs on my zacian

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ngl i played righht now against miraidon + whimsi lead

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1shotted that miraidon 🤣

But if i wanted make 100% meta team i would've probs throw tornadus instead of pelipper and instead floatzel i would have shifu or ogerpon/rilla

lofty tartan
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Be like Blissey

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but wouldnt kinda same thing say kyogre teams when i think about it Hmmm

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cuz i understand where he comes from and i know it can be big problem with miraidon teams if not approached properly like if i see said miraidon team, i throw fake out at miraidon while opponent setups tailwind meaning it gives me a turn hit miraidon unless they run set that can have protect or run covet cloak unless they hard switch which can happen and its not like i throw pelipper/floatzel in every game either

But if i find myself eventually in situation where miraidon actually is problem, i will change my approach to situation and might mess around with differend support pokemons like tornadus or whimsi while find something else replace floatzel like farigiraf or find way trade myslef raging bolt/use chi-yu with sunny day on tornadus or use ogerpon for follow me so i do have backup plan for local tournaments and such

i just ignored when called me idiotic beacuse he wasnt like "hey why being stubborn using these two as you could play these other two instead to counter your miraidon weakness" that way it would be constructive feedback instead of being jackass about it

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hello Exzlu!

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hows nova today? havent super nova'd yet`?

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no eureka moments yet today-
just chilling and playing the team i made :3

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haha nice

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same here

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well im building groudon darkshifu team atm

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ooo

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that sounds interesting

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it is yes

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the last pokemons
all fit different niches uh-
gl choosing though im sure you know what you're doing :3

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farigiraf is also chosen to be in that team

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good luck fakeouting my pokemons KEKWDISCO

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tho flutter mane could've be better in that slot i think to counter koraidon

craggy dagger
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zinc totem
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i realized how hard it is to-
deal with gastrodon when i have no grass move

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craggy dagger
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yeah not if it walls half your team

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at least you can hit hard into that without it being immune

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shifu mirai-
goltres is at risk from bolt
incin hits for a resist
flutter i kinda forgot about

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I just think they threw tbh

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strange fjord
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Not the Tera grass chi yu

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i might dive abit more of groudon's evs probably

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the things you learn: I found out my Ceruledge had a perfect Spf, Def IV today

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The av groudon