competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLgCbFMOoeE&t=0s why couldn't we have gotten this for our battle themes wtf

[chrome knot]

bundle guy was so funnyyy

[mighty stump]

"im faster than you"

[solid frigate]

Ah yes Truck Room

i was expecting either Bolt or Flutter mane until i saw Koraidon and Miraidon

But damn Flutter Still hold on

[mighty stump]

Suddenly I don't hate Iron Bungle

[solid frigate]

Bundle is just so damn hilarious in here

but Koraidon being eliminated that fast is a bit suprising

[chrome knot]

iron hands doin the tcg card art made me giggle

[mighty stump]

Me too

Roaring Moon was funny asf

[solid frigate]

also Miraidon is just doing the Move that blast away Team Rocket in the one epilogue

[chrome knot]

i need a gif of hands pushing bolt & wake away and then being plowed by gouging fire

[mighty stump]

LMaooo that was so kek

[solid frigate]

Direct Reference to Mega Salamance in Terminal Montage

[brittle bane]

Can someone please link trade me the code is 4545

[solid frigate]

Tofu say the line

somebody forgot to read the top part

[mighty stump]

Go to the proper trading channels and to read channel descriptions next time.

[nocturne holly]

What are inkay games😭

[balmy glen]

its for content creators

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot

[balmy glen]

but tofu is a sub cuz hes not a content creator xd

[mighty stump]

Wow

[nocturne holly]

Oh lol

[mighty stump]

I do make content I'm just not a youtuber

???

[nocturne holly]

How has your blog been doing tofu

[mighty stump]

Been doing good

Just haven't posted since end of May cause I had to move countries and start a new job lol

Today was gonna be a new write up something different

[chrome knot]

THANK YOU LMFAO

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[solid frigate]

i'm taking the GIF as well

[nocturne holly]

just like move tho

in all honesty
Moving fucking sucks

[mighty stump]

Yeah I mean, entirely new lifestyle, place, no friends, no family, new job

Pretty stressful

[chrome knot]

migrate to Canada!

[mighty stump]

Not to mention the legal stuff + opening a new bank account and starting a new contract

[chrome knot]

we can be friends

[solid frigate]

thats basically me when i migrate to UK

But hey,you'll get used to it

[mighty stump]

I mean

The sucky part is

I’ve moved a lot

So im used to it

[solid frigate]

I'm still homesick after 2 years ;-;

[mighty stump]

I just don’t like jt

I’ve moved to the US when I was younger, UK for boarding school and University, back to Indonesia with all my stuff post graduating, now Singapore to yet again start a new life

[solid frigate]

i only moved like what 4 times

But yeah i get ya

[chrome knot]

home sick is worst feeling

i moved away for uni and like sobbed lmfao

[solid frigate]

tell me about it

i still miss hong kong

[mighty stump]

Yea

[solid frigate]

now i get how Ukrainians and immigrants feel about

like leaving your home country for multiple reasons

But leaving cuz of Political is rough

[nocturne holly]

nah finding a good chipotle is hardest

I’ve moved like 3 times and there hasn’t been a chipotle or Chick-fil-A in like an hour radius

Fucking terrible

[mighty stump]

Never had either

But we hage cai fan here so

Imagine being able to eat rice, stir fried veg, sweet and sour pork, and stewed tofu for like

2 dollars

[nocturne holly]

CAI FAN???

that’s a huge w

[mighty stump]

I could literally never grocery shop or cook and still spend about the same or even less on groceries

I only cook for health reasons

[nocturne holly]

tbh cooking is lots of fun

[solid frigate]

Agreed

[nocturne holly]

I dont really care if it turns out bad cuz I made it

[solid frigate]

you have that satisfaction on you trying to make it

[nocturne holly]

Fr

It’s the greatest

[solid frigate]

for me the best dish is still curry

more like Japanese Curry but yeah

[nocturne holly]

Curry is hard bro

I specialize in egg 😎

[zinc totem]

okay i have got my worst embarassing loss

[solid frigate]

just egg?

[zinc totem]

god damn wheezing regigias cheese and psychic caly-s

[solid frigate]

deal with it

[nocturne holly]

It was a joke 😭

I’m just not the best at cooking

[solid frigate]

its ok

as long you are happy with what you cook

[nocturne holly]

😊

[chrome knot]

hehe

[mighty stump]

oof

[solid frigate]

Urshifu:Time to kill

Also Swords Dance Regular Ursaluna interesting

[chrome knot]

thats normal

[solid frigate]

fair

maybe because i did not use SD

[chrome knot]

lost to lo miraidon bc I thought it was specs bc he kept clicking edrift in grass terrain oopsies

[solid frigate]

F

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156483794-gfk7qa1yxy3y2ciwzeet6rb4h8eohobpw

[solid frigate]

his weather bite his ass right back at ya

[chrome knot]

lacunosa town is op for laddering

[bold geode]

Tofu I'm kinda suffering
So Scotty from gen chat is laddering and I'm watching him
For every loss I'm eating a Bean Boozled lmao

2 good 1 bad so far

[chrome knot]

i wanna watch

[bold geode]

Different place lol not in here

[chrome knot]

im aware

[next stump]

tomorrow is my triumphant return to VGC

the training wheels are off

[jade dust]

Cresselia is probably the best trick room setter. It’s very hard to KO her even if both opponents attack her, and with terra electric is even harder to KO. And with mental herb you can bypass taunt. The only way to really stop her is imprison or fake out and taunt 2 consecutive turns

[next stump]

i think cress is struggling a bit to keep up with the meta of restricteds

[solid frigate]

Indeedee:

Farigiraf:

[jade dust]

Psychic terrain doesn’t help levitate users

Or flying

[solid frigate]

which is the main Problem

Cresselia is a Levitate mon

[jade dust]

Frigiraf helps yes

[solid frigate]

so opponents can exploit by make Cresselia cry

[jade dust]

I mean terra electric levitate is strong

[solid frigate]

still does not save it

[cyan smelt]

Not really, then they just ko you with strong neutral attacks

[solid frigate]

belive me,I used Cresselia in Terapagos before

[jade dust]

Not easy to do

Cresselia has very high hp and defenses

[solid frigate]

You can't fire back easily

[cyan smelt]

Cresselia is super passive

[solid frigate]

Same as Indeedee but at least it has Follow Me

Meanwhile Farigiraf:

[jade dust]

Yeah and a very good support

Lunar blading is broken

[cyan smelt]

Not with restricteds

[jade dust]

Cures status and heals

[solid frigate]

Just listen to us,also Kal0sunleashed can vouch me for the cress experience

[solid frigate]

you literally spell it wrong-

[next stump]

252+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Cresselia in Rain: 153-181 (67.4 - 79.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

double up with anything else and you die

[solid frigate]

Yep thats why i changed my team lol

[jade dust]

Cresselia isn’t easy to deal with with all the bulk she has plus you can use incineroar to help even more

[solid frigate]

too passive hurts Cresselia

[strange fjord]

Creselia is great defensively. It lacks any offensive pressure to do anything alone tho.

[cyan smelt]

Cresselia all my friends are dead syndrome

[solid frigate]

learnt that the hard way for me

[jade dust]

Well I bring incineroar to fake out an opponent if they have a thread like that

[strange fjord]

Ally Switch is okay but much less effective Follow Me that can't be spammed anymore.

[solid frigate]

Follow Me the goat

[jade dust]

Yeah same with like all supports

[strange fjord]

So Cress survives but just double target the ally for the win

[jade dust]

Incineroar has mediocre damage

[strange fjord]

unlike other supports, they dont have redirection or some form of attack

[jade dust]

Amonguss does no damage

[strange fjord]

Incineroar can Fake Out, Pivot with U Turn, Parting Shot and cycle Intimidate????

[solid frigate]

Its Good Cuz It heals when you switch out and it genuinely provide shit

[strange fjord]

Amoongus has Spore and redirection with Rage Powder??

It can reset Stat boosts with Clear Smog too

[solid frigate]

and people forgot about Incin's Attack Stat is higher than Arkeknine

[jade dust]

Yeah and Cresselia can heal, cure status, ally switch and set trick room

[strange fjord]

so you can't set up against it

[strange fjord]

What can Cress do against other Pokemon tho?

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

[strange fjord]

Incin and Amoongus can do things

[next stump]

i don’t think anyone is saying cress is bad, i just don’t think it’s easy to say it’s the best TR setter in this restricted format

it hasn’t really gotten any tournament results compared to stuff like farig

[strange fjord]

Why use Cress when you can use a different Support Pokemon that does more

[next stump]

also Caly-I is technically a TR setter

[jade dust]

She protects your sweeper and keeps them healthy. A Cslyrex ice is unstoppable with Cresselia and clear amulet

You can’t intimidate and if burn, gets cured by lunar blessing

[next stump]

It’s stoppable if you have a strong double target or something that blocks fake out

[solid frigate]

Kid Named Knock Off

[jade dust]

Ok you knock off with incineroar and he dies that same turn to high horsepower

Creselia with max HP EVs and split Def SpcD with +SpcD nature and Incineroar you aren’t getting rid of her before she sets trick room

And on top of that terra electric

[nocturne holly]

This was the unbreon spread I made
Thoughts?
Artemis (Umbreon) (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 4 SpA / 116 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Yawn
• Protect
• Taunt
• Foul Play

outspeeds 44 spe incin by 1
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Umbreon in Electric Terrain: 166-196 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Umbreon: 122-146 (60.3 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Umbreon: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

Cress is currently at 1.37% usage at 1500+, I'm pretty sure if it was as good as you say more people would be using it

[solid frigate]

kid still lived in Gen 5-6 Era

[cyan smelt]

May as well just use crash lmao

[jade dust]

Well not a lot of people use trick room

And if they do they don’t use mental herb

[cyan smelt]

I think you'll find trick room has won a lot of worlds

They don't need mental herb because farig, indeedee and caly I have better utility

[solid frigate]

just these 2 years alone

[cyan smelt]

And again, cress can be defeated by a strong double target

[solid frigate]

Wicked Blow moment

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 180 Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 168-200 (74 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[next stump]

do you have any replays showing off its usefulness

[next stump]

good set 😄

[nocturne holly]

Thanks for the help

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[solid frigate]

anyways

can we all agree that Farigiraf is the best Non Restricted TR Setter

Ok Maybe Porygon 2

[nocturne holly]

Fari is cool because it like scales in usefulness based on how strong other mons are

[cyan smelt]

Same with smeargle

[solid frigate]

exactly

also Porygon 2 is way Bulkier than Cresselia

that does damage

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156523655

Yep i'm done

this is brutal

[nocturne holly]

Who are you

Were you the cir

Or mirai

[solid frigate]

Miraidon

[nocturne holly]

Who did you have in the back

[solid frigate]

Incin,Iron Crown,Miraidon andFari

[cyan smelt]

I figured out the reason why they made ursa bm op but not tinkaton, it's because ursa bm is a DLC mon

[solid frigate]

i actually want to use Landorus to Kill Rillaboom lmao

[dapper crag]

Move: Tachyon Cutter

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Steel

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Idk why opponent didn’t tr first turn bm ursa would’ve almost swept

[cyan smelt]

Low elo

[molten oasis]

A reflect too

Not cooking, he is not cooking

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156526407-y8va23p7izj7vbv30bzlz5hdxl8bs2ypw

I'm fucking Bullying Low elo lmao

[solid frigate]

i think he forgot crown is a SpA user

[molten oasis]

Yea

That and no tr is such a throw, it was free unless you reversed it

[solid frigate]

i don't want to reverse it due to i trust my gut but its so hilarious that Calyrex just fucking dies

[molten oasis]

Miraidon does so much damage

[solid frigate]

and Helping hand Volt Switch is just life saver

[molten oasis]

Tbh tho, why did you lead crown

Incin Mirai feels like a good lead on paper no?

[solid frigate]

i was expecting they lead Calyrex Fari

but eh

[molten oasis]

Incin still leads there

[solid frigate]

fair

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156528370
What ye hell is this team-

https://pokepast.es/da232827f4bf43ce

Here's the team btw

[molten oasis]

Scarf

And expert belt? Why?

[solid frigate]

Scarf for Opposing Miraidon and Tera Fairy Calyrex

and also Didn't that one person with Iron Crown Miraidon uses Expert Belt?

[molten oasis]

Idk

Life orbs open why not use that

On either cuz I don’t really like scarf lando on paper

Not being able to protect and losing damage output hurts imo

[solid frigate]

it does well on my Kyogre Team so i throw it on Miraidon

in replace of Blood Moon

[molten oasis]

CSR mu looks very heavily reliant on incin

Which is ok but a Bloodmoon can ruin it

[molten oasis]

I mean, you have whims

And if Mirai is forced to Draco that’s better than it pivoting out

[solid frigate]

that Kyogre team also has Whim.

[molten oasis]

Does- mm

[solid frigate]

yes idk why i suddenly want to use Future Sword of Justice so much

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Iron Boulder and Chi Yu are Deadly pairing together

[molten oasis]

252 SpA Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 164-194 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance

…

[solid frigate]

its still a roll

[craggy dagger]

what are these lando calcs-

[molten oasis]

Sure, still not guaranteed

[molten oasis]

He’s scarf lando

[solid frigate]

plus i would require to use Whimsicott even more

[molten oasis]

Why is that bad?

[solid frigate]

cuz i might stuck in TR lmao

[molten oasis]

That’s kinda why Bloodmoon is used

Fari Luna incin is the tr mu in the normal core

[solid frigate]

i have a bloodmoon problem lmao

Its basically like you can't use Pelipper that well

[molten oasis]

Then learn

Like I did

[solid frigate]

i did use BM a lot before this

[molten oasis]

I don’t exactly agree with scarf either because you’re going to miss kos

[mighty stump]

Scarf Lando-I is nice though

[molten oasis]

Be it rolls or not

[molten oasis]

I get it for the speed

[solid frigate]

wait you aren't modest?

[molten oasis]

I also like big damage if I’m running it

[solid frigate]

its Modest for my Lando

[molten oasis]

Oh, oops

Maybe it’s fine then lol, that’s the entire reason I was unsure lol

[mighty stump]

Can’t do big damage if you die before u get it off tho

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[solid frigate]

and Draco still hits Lando so i would not wanna gamble it

[molten oasis]

Yea, ok

Still think life orb on crown at least

[dapper crag]

Item: Expert Belt

Holder's attacks that are super effective against the target do 1.2x damage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Yea

It’s open, I don’t see why not

I was in the wrong this time and that’s ok

[solid frigate]

i think because i don't want health loss but eh i can change it

[molten oasis]

Up to you

I’m gonna go play the game of torture (apex)

[solid frigate]

oof

[craggy dagger]

orbzzzz

[molten oasis]

Mm, I feel dumb lol

[craggy dagger]

LO > belt though i can see why

[molten oasis]

Out of tune to the meta ig

I haven’t been playing it’s kinda not that fun rn

I have no ideas for Zac

Or what I want to use beyond Zac so idk

[craggy dagger]

hm…

[solid frigate]

i think this is my best Miraidon team i made besides that controversial Expert Belt opinion

[molten oasis]

Do what you want I already messed up a suggestion lol

[solid frigate]

i'll try

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[nocturne holly]

What’s happening😭

[solid frigate]

just Miraidon moment

[nocturne holly]

mirai does that shit

Mirai deleting fucking everything is hilarious

[craggy dagger]

i’m as lost as you

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[molten oasis]

I made a poor suggestion and then realized I’m out of tune to the meta

[solid frigate]

Helping Hand Miraidon just kill Calyrex with Volt Switch is Hilarious af

[nocturne holly]

that’s ok

[solid frigate]

yeah its fine

[molten oasis]

Comp chat helper dream is not real lol

[solid frigate]

lmao

i'm just trying to build Miraidon teams in 6am lmao

[craggy dagger]

tbf i’m also out of the meta-
but then again-
when am i ever in tune with the meta

[molten oasis]

lol

I’ve thought about being a comp helper I am not qualified

[craggy dagger]

neither am i

[molten oasis]

And I have 1 result

[solid frigate]

nah you are fine,you can help people in need if the comp helpers are gone

[nocturne holly]

Tbh comp helper is too much for me to do

[solid frigate]

also i am probably the worst candidate for a Comp Helper

[molten oasis]

My opinion isn’t a valuable as a comp helper tho, but I’ll try to help

[craggy dagger]

not true

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[craggy dagger]

urs is as valuable-
especially since you’ve gone to irl events

[solid frigate]

exactly

you did very well with Zacian in NAIC

[craggy dagger]

me on the other hand

[nocturne holly]

I wanna go to regionals
Ask of them are like 8+ hours drive😭

[molten oasis]

I did fine with it

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Me:Probably worse than you

[nocturne holly]

You went to naic?? How’d you do

[solid frigate]

just remember there is always another chance

[molten oasis]

5-4

The team was under developed

[nocturne holly]

Is that your first irl event

[molten oasis]

Yep

[nocturne holly]

That’s good

first time is arrests the hardest

[craggy dagger]

for your first-
that’s really good

[solid frigate]

i might bring Miraidon into something

[craggy dagger]

especially since it was an IC

[solid frigate]

Maybe i will hard focus on Miraidon and Terapagos rn

And maybe Kyogre

[nocturne holly]

I don’t really like the meta rn
Double restricted is going to be do much fun tho

[molten oasis]

Mm, if I play more I’ll work on the thing I have rn

I legit got a core that works so well

[solid frigate]

Me with Terapagos Lunala:

[nocturne holly]

Fr it’s gonna open up so many more options

[molten oasis]

It’s the 6th and I’m not motivated to find the right one

[solid frigate]

sometimes its hard to find 6th cuz it does not fit the playstyle or does not click even with the same playstyle

[craggy dagger]

double restrict is gonna be interesting…
i have a duo in mind though im not too sure how well they’ll do…
dawn dialga is what im thinking…

[solid frigate]

Dawn Wings Necrozma mentioned????

[molten oasis]

Idk what im doing yet

We’ll see when the time comes

[craggy dagger]

but like-
unorthodox dawn wings with power herb meteor beam, moongeist, dazzling gleam protect-
it gets dazzle right-

[dapper crag]

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Moongeist Beam, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dawn-Wings.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

i might just go plain Simple and use Terapagos Lunala,Miraidon Kyogre

either Balance or Full HO

[craggy dagger]

it gets no fairy moves-
then fairy blast it is

[solid frigate]

me and Creph just complain about it before lmao

if it gets Moonblast i might use it more

[dapper crag]

Move: Wring Out

Power is equal to 120 * (target's current HP / target's maximum HP), rounded half down, but not less than 1.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

huh

[solid frigate]

this is just False Swipe-

right?

idk what that move is

[craggy dagger]

special false swipe by the look of it

[molten oasis]

yea

[craggy dagger]

except it bases it off of hp

[solid frigate]

fair

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/157/127/113/109/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

special attacking dusk mane

[solid frigate]

i just use this

Overlord (Necrozma-Dawn-Wings) @ Power Herb
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Expanding Force
• Meteor Beam
• Trick Room

I wish it has Moonblast ;-;

[solid frigate]

the fu-

[craggy dagger]

[dapper crag]

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Sunsteel Strike, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dusk-Mane.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Well, I’m gonna go study the meta/play torture the game (apex)

(It’s mostly a joke)

[solid frigate]

so what like Photon Geyster,Flash Cannon,Calm Mind and Protect?

[craggy dagger]

cannon, stored power calm mind protect weakness policy

[solid frigate]

but i mean if Iron Crown Works then i guess Special Attacking Dusk Mane can work

its just need some work on it

[craggy dagger]

wym-
isnt crown supposed to be a special attacker-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1023: Iron Crown

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/72/100/122/108/98

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

yeah its just has the same typing

[craggy dagger]

oh

[solid frigate]

cuz they both hate Incin so much

the thing is that Iron Crown Runs Tera Ground Tera Blast for that

196 SpA Expert Belt Tera Ground Iron Crown Helping Hand Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 154-182 (76.2 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I guess that works

sure it does not kill but thats enough

[craggy dagger]

well...
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156542085

https://pokepast.es/3ce4bc70ee197b95

[solid frigate]

did-

[craggy dagger]

that went...
better than i expected

[solid frigate]

Did he used Trick Room infront of Dusk Mane-

[solid frigate]

also he throwed the game lmao

what the fuck is that Koraidon-

[craggy dagger]

what-
did i just-
eruption tera fire groudon-

i've been out niched-

[spiral ridge]

lmao

[solid frigate]

F

[spiral ridge]

i got

ghost tera amuk shadow sneak into their weakness policy drifbloom into explosion

both my guys lived on 8hp and sweeped rest of game though :3

[craggy dagger]

HAHAHAH HOW DID I COME BACK
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156543355

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

power of Plot armor

Excuse me...

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156542374-xxoatteornseq5yg8r9p081jx4g82gtpw

[craggy dagger]

the eruption miss though-
that saved me

[spiral ridge]

power of deco spam

[chrome knot]

low elo gimmick character lmao

[solid frigate]

# SAWSBUCK?

[spiral ridge]

yeah the erup miss was plot armor i was ognna say 😭

double miss bleakwind too

😭

[chrome knot]

WHAT THE LMFAOOOO

[dapper crag]

Item: Bright Powder

The accuracy of attacks against the holder is 0.9x.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

ahhhh

[chrome knot]

chlor fake tears spatk groudon

[solid frigate]

oh.... thats why it missed

[chrome knot]

u got cooked turn 1 wtffff LOL

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Low elo is just weird

[spiral ridge]

10% chance and double bleakwind later you gfot crazy plot armor hun

[craggy dagger]

+6 chien pao does not mess around-

[spiral ridge]

[solid frigate]

somehow my Low Elos are either really just Muk Smeragle

[spiral ridge]

yeahh those sucker punches fucking hurt

[solid frigate]

or actually good teams

[spiral ridge]

dude fuck muk smeargly its so annoying 😭

[solid frigate]

its basically+7 cuz of Sword of Ruin

[minor panther]

i dont think you have seen the kinda shit some showdown battles have lmao

[spiral ridge]

i used double no accuracy check moves on them but then they brought out prankster sunny day so my hurrican and thunder bolt would just miss. the muk was on like 2% hp then i just couldnt get another hit

[minor panther]

going from being the luckiest fucker alive to playing the absolute worst you ever have right after the other just happens
a lot

[spiral ridge]

[minor panther]

missing two 90% accurate moves in a row HURTS man..

[solid frigate]

tell me about it when i used Tornadus

[spiral ridge]

me still with kyogre

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2292e0e3f2f94480

Speaking of Kyogre

[spiral ridge]

hitting the no health useless target but missing on the groudon

[minor panther]

or getting paralyzed 3-4 times in a row (same with confusion)

[minor panther]

ig this is just a pokemon moment (TM)

[spiral ridge]

lowkey interested to try this but im so used to jugulis kyogre i think i would just not adapt cus brain smol

[craggy dagger]

anyways am gonna go bed goodnight@!

[spiral ridge]

goodnight hun sleep well

[solid frigate]

see ya Nova!

[minor panther]

goodnight trident person

[solid frigate]

Wo-Chien Ogre is basically what Shiliang Tang's Team but me, @autumn vault and @willow vault remake this team to suit us more,currently i find the most success with it

The playstyle is basically try to make Kyogre Tanky as heck

[spiral ridge]

im using this
https://x.com/tsltang0508/status/1799673967529320534?t=14GnIAuRiiVyFh-Hjp1Gag&s=33

tsltang0508 (@tsltang0508) on X

NAIC summary post, and more importantly, THE TEAM! Probably one of the best Wo-Chien finish in big events, enjoy:)

Thanks again for folks helped me practice @unironicpanda @ChuppaVGC @WilliamTheShuai @ValentineVGC_

Paste: https://t.co/NJqv4mWRCU

Twitter · Jun 9, 2024, 5:24 AM

i rarely bring grimmsnarl or wo chien, need to figure out their use cases more

[solid frigate]

yeah its basically Shiliang's TTeam

[jade dust]

Well you would need to lead with 2 strong hitters and would need cover coat to not get faked out

[spiral ridge]

gotcha

[solid frigate]

Pollen Puff Self heal,Wo-Chien is design to be faster than Kyogre

[minor panther]

i always forget that vgc is set at level 50 and get confused when they all have those mismatched levels lmao

[spiral ridge]

im almost always just going ogre jugulis, with incin ursh in the back

[solid frigate]

and Grimmsnarl for the Screens

[solid frigate]

fair

[spiral ridge]

yeahh makes sense just

value of incin and urshifu for matchups-
and kyogre is already beefy epesically is you call a tera to save your ass self heal just can feel odd to value over those 2 beasts

[solid frigate]

i think when it comes to Miraidon MU

I just bring stuff that makes Mieaidon cry

[jade dust]

A very hard to stop trick room setter has a lot of utility imo @solid frigate

Besides the lunar blessing

[spiral ridge]

kyogre makes miraidon cry funnily enough

[jade dust]

Which is a very good support move

[solid frigate]

would you stop glazing on it my god

[minor panther]

when are we getting a ground/fairy type lol

[solid frigate]

Lmao it does nothing when AV+Tera Grass in light screen lol

[minor panther]

like you would think by now we would have one

[jade dust]

The gays a good offensive type but sucks defensively

[solid frigate]

well Lando,Blood Moon and Whims are the best for it

[spiral ridge]

not even light screen usually, just like i said jug and kyogre grass tera tailwind and snarl to bully

oh

[jade dust]

They don’t resist each others weakness besides poison

[minor panther]

i think blood moon fits the best of the three for ground/fairy

[solid frigate]

exactly,thats why Its super scary when i saw it

Cuz i don't want to face it

[spiral ridge]

i should totally say before any of my opinions are taken to heart
i still havent reached master rank once, just am saying whats worked for me 😭

[spiral ridge]

it does funny numbers :)

[solid frigate]

every progress is relevant,take your time

[spiral ridge]

nah but tornadus with sunny day is biggest counter ive found

you cant fucking beat prankster out and you cant know beforehand if its got it

[spiral ridge]

yeah im just saying take my opinions with low elo salt

[solid frigate]

Grimmsnarl does it good lmao

[minor panther]

mainly because lando's trio is all flying type

[spiral ridge]

grimm?

grimm usually has weather control?

[solid frigate]

its immune to Prankster

[solid frigate]

nope lmao

[spiral ridge]

oh noo i mean sunny day in specific

[solid frigate]

there is a team in Japan uses Snowscape Tornadus and Blizzard Ogre

And it is so damn cool

[minor panther]

i feel like i have never seen such a weather dominated meta since gen 5 honestly

[solid frigate]

Gen 6:

[spiral ridge]

like jug does struggle cus its not prankster tailwind, but is fast so certain match ups it goes before the enemies second slot some fucking how. but adding on they can pull sunny day outta no where and my kyogre and jugulis damage and accuracy is fucked? yeahhhh its annoying

[minor panther]

oh yeah i always forget gen 6 had a pretty weather dominant meta, its just gen 5 usually comes to mind when you think competitive weather

[spiral ridge]

so torn just, beating me on tailwind t1 and even if i do recover just take off my damage hurts so muchhh

[solid frigate]

i think this Gen is kinda more Terrain Heavy cuz Rain is still the more dominant Weather

[spiral ridge]

yeah no its not common

like not every torn has sunny day, but the ones that do just fuck me

[solid frigate]

depends on the restricted Really

[spiral ridge]

honestly not really, makes me have to swap twice to get kyogre back and prankster means even if i do get it and its back they can do it again if i dont kill it by then

and since im consta swapping one slot for kyogre thats one stream of damage tryna get it

3 of kyogres moves become gambles/much worse, jug its one move so not as bad

i have rapid urshifu so the sun makes me weak

incin isnt made for damage either on this team

[solid frigate]

i don't really have this issue really cuz i try to make teams that works in Rain and Not

[spiral ridge]

sorry i meant with this team in specific

not general complaints, im talking struggles i have going this team

teambuilding is something i dont wanna look at for a while i still feel dumb as shit 😭

[solid frigate]

i think try to make this team to work on both ends

Like replacing Partners and stuff

[chrome knot]

2am bo1 is so cursed

[solid frigate]

wha-

[spiral ridge]

its just a rental that monkey sent to me as one of the first teams ive ever tried

i found it fun, am probably gonna try miraidon soon cus it does seem fun af to use

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/fa3fdfc15401180a

Am trying this Team rn

[spiral ridge]

i think

if i do alter the team

id swap jug for torn with rain control and take grimm or wo cus kyogre is beefy for a new answer for ghost calyrex, as jug is the answer for ghost caly

no idea if that would work but maybe id try it

[solid frigate]

its hard but you can try it

[mighty stump]

AV Kyo is the thing atm with Grimm so

[spiral ridge]

yeah, prob is just a me thing and just gotta figure it out

[solid frigate]

Boulder is so underrated

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156550451-5efpx2rfi3u1x2cd73o5o0rxul5g3mppw

crazy shit going down in 1100s

[solid frigate]

why did they not tera-

like INCIN IS RIGHT THERE

[chrome knot]

[solid frigate]

AND YOU HAVE FARIGIRAF WHYYYYYYYY

[chrome knot]

its low elo at 2am

[solid frigate]

[graceful flare]

H

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/4cd2c42d26d08a8f

ok so im gonna start working on the team, again

ive got suggestions of incin and rilla so far,, but what would be 6th

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hm-gif-24606491

What mu’s have you accounted for so far?

@timber falcon

[timber falcon]

miraidon, csr, cir

almost forgot i gotta cover zama

and my kyogre MU looks fine i think

[molten oasis]

What’s the CIR line?

What stops it from clicking glacial lance a lot

[molten oasis]

I think you should add smth else for CIR

[timber falcon]

gholdengo helps for zama and cir

[molten oasis]

You don’t exactly threaten it

Yea dengo looks decent here

I’m only seeing Ursh Ray and Buzz

[timber falcon]

oh wait one sec

[molten oasis]

Just making sure incase dengo was supposed to be there

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/6368294ab3fe82c5

dengo is supposed to be 6th

[molten oasis]

Hm

It’s probably fine

Report back any mu’s you felt poor into

It looks like you have lines for everything

[timber falcon]

okidoki

[molten oasis]

Could go scarf shifu but up to preference

[timber falcon]

ill swap inbetween to see what helps best

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[timber falcon]

ok so ik ive said this a lot

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

but ive forgetten to save the dengo set again

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

dw this time ill save it in notes first thing

[molten oasis]

It’s almost like I know what’s coming or smth

[timber falcon]

so uh, can u pls send the set

[molten oasis]

I’m so unbelievably tempted to make you do it yourself but okaaay

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

I’m not giving you the set again

Gholdy (Gholdengo) @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 60 Def / 116 SpA / 36 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

Tbh this could be outdated, may be better to invest heavier into bulk but it’s probably okay

[timber falcon]

thanks for the set

[molten oasis]

mhmm

I should probably shove a shiny hunt attempt tomorrow

I still need to build up this team’s core, for 3 mons

I have to ev my second zacian, shiny hunt amoonguss, and get a new incin

[timber falcon]

good luck with that

im hoping this team works cause ive been waiting to have a team w dengo in it

[autumn vault]

I knew something was going to go wrong in this discussion

Anyways back to beating the BDSP Battle Tower

[molten oasis]

???

What went wrong?

[dapper crag]

Oof

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/556d0966bd6bee2b This is the team i'm using for the battle tower btw

If anyone wants to know

[molten oasis]

Sometimes you forget to do things that’s normal

[autumn vault]

true, but i always save sets the moment i see it

I understand if people do forget to do it

[graceful flare]

Im gonna play my first match in like a month with my new kyogre team bc I kept losing last time

[dapper crag]

Good luck 🫡

May you have great match’s

[graceful flare]

Well um I just quit because I forgot to change the moveset and didn't have water spout

I'm gonna try again now

Ok I fixed everything and now I'm gonna win every game now

I won

[autumn vault]

You have to try harder then spamming Water Spout

I play Kyogre

And you won't win every match, including even the best players don't

And with your skill level, its wishful thinking

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

@bold geode

[bold geode]

[zinc totem]

latios simple beam glorious scales fight/draogn type

thats going be interesting

these are veryu curious matchups

[solid frigate]

do you mean Kommo-o

[zinc totem]

yeah

always forget its name

[solid frigate]

also i just realised i never Touched Discharge when i use Miraidon lol

[zinc totem]

psychup dialga/latios

with kommo-o simple beamed

thats actually annoying af

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156709779-d5qk3ypy2qyw26efv8d7t8kzk4lko4jpw

How did i win after ruined by lag

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

Scarf Lando moment

Was gonna Sludge Bomb the Rilla but i clicked Earth Power cuz the lag hates me

[dapper crag]

Landorus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dig, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Outrage, Payback, Punishment, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Earth Power, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Sandsear Storm, Scorching Sands, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Landorus.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156720728 kek

[solid frigate]

current Progress

[bold geode]

Team?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/fa3fdfc15401180a

its more HO this time

the 4 losses are the old team,i did not lose a single game with the new team

but i do wanna give it Dazzling Gleam

on Fari

[bold geode]

Don't look awful

[dapper crag]

Isn’t there a lot people using wide guard though?

[solid frigate]

i mean my fari has Hyper Voice soooo

[dapper crag]

Ah ok

I mean dazzling gleam would be really nice to have.

[solid frigate]

still considering cuz idk STAB is pretty nice to have

[dapper crag]

That too

STAB plus hyper voice is really good

With throat spray

Either way I think stick with hyper voice

[solid frigate]

Throat Spray makes Fari feel offensive,sure its good in some teams but i like the bulk

[dapper crag]

Yeah you right

Bulk is always nice

[nocturne holly]

I had a similar adaption of using lando i as a sort of fast bm ursa as opposed to the original team

It’s pretty fun

[solid frigate]

its great against Rillaboom

[nocturne holly]

Yesss

[solid frigate]

and opposing Miraidon MU and Zamazenta always force out a Tera infront of it

[molten oasis]

Still running expert belt I see

Has that been working out?

[solid frigate]

yeah

one shotting Koraidon,One shotting Amogus

and i still have the win streak

[molten oasis]

Good, keep climbing ig

See if you can hit 1600’s with it

Or 1500’s

[dapper crag]

You got this, keep going

[solid frigate]

i might do it tmr,its funny that this team made in 6 am actually works

[dapper crag]

lol

[solid frigate]

with no sleep and 6am

Yeah idk why

[junior patrol]

Hey I wanna use a trick room team with Armorouge could someone help me build one

[solid frigate]

word of advice

do not use it

this is not Reg A

[dapper crag]

You should definitely need that sleep you deserve it.

[solid frigate]

already done that so yeah

[molten oasis]

Pff I just fought a jigglypuff and a trapinch

[molten oasis]

Harsh

[molten oasis]

If you want to use armarouge you can use it with indeedee, it allows arma to be a strong expanding force sweeper

Then you can also pair it with a Calyrex (ice rider preferably) or Lunala/Dawn Wings

Are you playing doubles? just making sure

[junior patrol]

What other mons should I bring and should EV's and stuff be? This is really my first time being in competitive pokemon

Yeah I'm playing doubles

[molten oasis]

Kk

Uhm, I don’t play a lot of tr, but Gallade is a cool pick on psyspam teams (this is what the archetype is called)

[autumn vault]

Its ok on those

[molten oasis]

Urshifu single strike/ursaluna is good

[autumn vault]

I played a lot of tr in the past but i barely ever played Psyspam

[molten oasis]

Shifu for dark types mostly

[lofty tartan]

Cornerstone Ogerpon is a good fast option as well.

[autumn vault]

Ursalunas are great

[molten oasis]

Ursaluna is a strong physical sweeper

[autumn vault]

And cornerstone

[lofty tartan]

Sturdy Stonks.

[molten oasis]

Fr

[autumn vault]

And special sweeper if you're playing Blood Moon

[solid frigate]

not scream tail?

(I swear i am so afraid of that puff is not even a joke)

[molten oasis]

If you run Bloodmoon you want Fari imo but yea

Yes

[autumn vault]

If you run Ursaluna you basically need to run Cress

[junior patrol]

So the team should be Indeede F, Armourouge, Calyrex Ice Rider, Ursaloona, and who else?

[molten oasis]

A jigglypuff

[solid frigate]

Incineroar sounds nice

[molten oasis]

Urshifu or ogerpon

[solid frigate]

oh ok

[autumn vault]

I prefer Blood Moon ursaluna here

Over normal

You already have a physical sweeper

[junior patrol]

Oh why Bloodmoon?

[molten oasis]

Yes if you’re going to run calyrex ice rider Bloodmoon is preferable due to having a special sweeper for incineroar

[autumn vault]

Because you already have a physical sweeper calyrex ice rider
You might need the special attack to kill some opponents

[molten oasis]

Incin can become a major issue for ice rider

[autumn vault]

Plus it has a better time against Incin

Normal is basically forced to run Flame Orb Guts

And is affected by intimidate

[solid frigate]

and Rapid Strike can be a another option on beating Incin and potentially Terapagos

[molten oasis]

If you’re going to run Lunala/Dawn wings then I think normal Bloodmoon is better

[junior patrol]

So it's Armoruge, Indeede F, Ice Rider, Bloodmoon, Incin, and Ogerpon?

[autumn vault]

Yeah looks good

[molten oasis]

Idk if I like incin on psyspam

[solid frigate]

Normal BM? do you mean Normal Ursa

[molten oasis]

Still think single strike would be better

[molten oasis]

Yea normal Ursa lol

[lofty tartan]

I am singing the praises of Wo-Chien right now

[autumn vault]

Physical TR Restricted = Run Blood Moon
Special TR Restricted = Normal Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

Banded single strike could go brr

[solid frigate]

Dialga Ursa(Normal) is also pretty good with Dialga having Telepathy

[molten oasis]

The kyogre stuff?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the team is a blast.

[autumn vault]

I use Banded Urshifu-S and it kills so many things on Tailwind

[molten oasis]

Nice

[lofty tartan]

It's funny though because it's so heavily skewed toward bulk that you really gotta position well and grind your opponent out of resources

[molten oasis]

Banded single strike was something ran on tr psyspam teams for a while

[autumn vault]

I can see why

[solid frigate]

i actually got 75% Consistency with That team but i use Lando I (Scarf) and Boulder

[junior patrol]

So what should the EV spread and moves be for this team?

[autumn vault]

I run Banded Urshifu-S on my Kyogre team

[molten oasis]

mm

[autumn vault]

Let me go get some spreads for you to use

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon can just go 252 att 252 spe jolly nature with icy cudgel power whip follow me and spiky shield

cornerstone

[solid frigate]

Ice Rider is a Good Ol Fashion max max Min as well but you can run more bulk if you want

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Protect
• Trick Room
• Glacial Lance
• High Horsepower
  You can switch tera fire for Water

[junior patrol]

Thanks because this is my first time doing competive pokemon and Armourouge is like one of my favorite mons and I heard Trick room was good for him

[gentle crag]

.octoknight03 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

Catherine (Indeedee-F) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature

• Follow Me
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Dazzling Gleam

[molten oasis]

I think there’s a chunk of ice riders with more complex sets nowadays but 252 hp 252 att is fine

[solid frigate]

also i like Miraidon in TR lmao

[molten oasis]

Brave/adamant is fine

[solid frigate]

Miraidon in TR that setting by Fari is so memey but worth it against Tailwind Koraidon Teams

[autumn vault]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 44 Def / 156 SpD / 52 Spe
Careful Nature

• Parting Shot
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Snarl

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[autumn vault]

Swicth Snarl for Flae blitz

[molten oasis]

You should probably explain what these sets do

Why?

Flare blitz is fine here

[autumn vault]

Look above that message

[solid frigate]

he said switch Snarl with Blitz

[molten oasis]

Oh. Wait yea I misread

I’m tired per usual

[autumn vault]

Understandable

I can send a Fast Incin Spread if you want

[solid frigate]

VGC Menace (Incineroar) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 156 Def / 84 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• U-turn

This can survive a Volt Switch from Miraidon lmao

[autumn vault]

But i like Slow Incin here ngl

[molten oasis]

Probably want slow incin

[solid frigate]

fast incin is nice but Slow incin is good in other ways,good in TR moments and in TR can really messing Rillaboom

and parting shot the last make it a Very Safe Switch

[autumn vault]

I'm grinding for cash in BDSP so i can't talk here much

[molten oasis]

I need to get going on building this team ingame

[autumn vault]

Now for Ogerpon-Rock

[solid frigate]

kek

forfeit your HP to Miraidon

[autumn vault]

Ogerpon-Cornerstone (F) @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Horn Leech
• Ivy Cudgel
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

@junior patrol you're still here right?

I sent 5 spreads here

I don't have an Armarouge set

So don't ask me for it

[junior patrol]

Yeah I'm still here

[solid frigate]

also damn Koraidon feels rare now

i only see 1 Koraidon in the entire ladder session

[junior patrol]

Is Miradon that much better?)

[molten oasis]

Imo power whip

[autumn vault]

Armarouge @ Power Herb
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature

• Armor Cannon
• Expanding Force
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
  This is the most common spread rn

[molten oasis]

Not horn leech, it doesn’t do enough damage

[autumn vault]

You can recycle Sturdy

And Ivy Cudgel is there to be your hard hitting move

[molten oasis]

I want you to explain how often that will happen on a Mon with no bulk

[solid frigate]

in slow pace but at least we all agree wood hammer kinda suck on Cornerstone

[autumn vault]

Kyogre:

Power Whip is innacurate, and actually lost me a game when it missed Creph's primarina in OU

[molten oasis]

You’re faster sure but you definetly don’t full heal off of a horn leech

Idt horn leech can kill a kyogre

[autumn vault]

Also i will play a Bo3 soon

[dapper crag]

Damn

[solid frigate]

Lemme check

[molten oasis]

252 Atk Ogerpon-Cornerstone Horn Leech (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 158-188 (90.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO unfavorable roll

And that’s assuming they’re no bulk which is rare rn

[junior patrol]

What is a good bloodmoon set to run to finish out the team?)

[molten oasis]

Power whip>horn leech

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon-Cornerstone Horn Leech vs. 236 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 174-206 (84.8 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Tbf

its still did a lot to AV Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Life orb 252 spa 244 hp 12 spD

Hyper voice blood moon earth power protect

0 speed ivs

[molten oasis]

It could be dead instead

[solid frigate]

and 0attack IVs just in case for Foul Play

[molten oasis]

And it’s mostly for the faster paced kyogre teams with torn not the wo chien stuff

[junior patrol]

Thanks guys I'll get to building this team

[solid frigate]

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Psychic Noise vs. 156 HP / 12 SpD Koraidon: 182-216 (93.3 - 110.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

I like this Calc lmao

[molten oasis]

I bet those kyogre live power whip

[molten oasis]

So like

If life orb, it dies

[junior patrol]

I do wanna ask though why on Smogon's list Armourouge is ranked in NU while Ceruledge is UUBL

[molten oasis]

Don’t worry about it

VGC doesn’t care about smogon tiers

[solid frigate]

eh i mean does Koraidon run Bulk these days?

[molten oasis]

Assuming that’s what you’re doing

[molten oasis]

Does it? Idk

Why not psychic tho if it’s just gonna be a sweeper?

[solid frigate]

we don't play Koraidon

[solid frigate]

Discharge And Incineroar:

[molten oasis]

What?

I meant over psychic noise

[solid frigate]

Tera Ground Tera Blast

And also Psychic noise is funni and it was used in that one event in Italy or something idk

[molten oasis]

It’s funni isn’t a great reason imo

Uhm

[solid frigate]

ok stopping the healing

[molten oasis]

Ig stopping pollen puff is nice

[solid frigate]

it kinda shuts down Terapagos and AV Kyogre+Wo Chien

healing options i mean

[molten oasis]

How

Wait does psychic noise also prevent the pollen puff from going into the target?

[solid frigate]

They can't heal with Lefties,Pollen Puff does not work

I think so lemme check

[molten oasis]

Brother it’s a dark type

You can’t psychic noise wo chien

[dapper crag]

Move: Psychic Noise

For 2 turns, the target is prevented from restoring any HP as long as it remains active. During the effect, healing and draining moves are unusable, and Abilities and items that grant healing will not heal the user. If an affected Pokemon uses Baton Pass, the replacement will remain unable to restore its HP. Pain Split and the Regenerator Ability are unaffected.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

then what about the partners

[molten oasis]

Ah yea

I think it does stop pollen puff from going into the kyogre

[solid frigate]

sure Wo Chien can still heal itself but the partners

[molten oasis]

It just stops healing

Interesting

[solid frigate]

exactly

So it shuts down Lefties Pagos and Use of Pollen Puff

[molten oasis]

Sure, just wanted to get the reason for its use down

Beyond

[solid frigate]

but then again

It just one shotted Amoonguss so-

[molten oasis]

It’s funny, cuz you should understand why you’re running certain moves

[chrome knot]

walls calyrex shadow if used on farig.

[molten oasis]

It’s on a iron crown

[chrome knot]

nvm!

[molten oasis]

lol

On a Fari yea

[solid frigate]

i just don't know why i love to use Future Sword of Justice

[molten oasis]

I like that tech it’s cool

[solid frigate]

Like i tried Boulder and Crown

(Sorry Leaves you are quite Useless-)

[molten oasis]

It’s not, the worst

[chrome knot]

all of them suck

[molten oasis]

Crown is the most usable

[solid frigate]

Boulder is very underrated

[molten oasis]

Im ngl tho scarlet got ALL the better paradox mons beyond Mirai and hands

And even then bolt is, very strong

[molten oasis]

Mm

If it’s underrated why is no one touching it with a 5ft pole

[solid frigate]

like i might be the only guy who run AV Kyogre+Wo-Chien+ Boulder

[molten oasis]

I think rock coverage is good

[solid frigate]

who only got 2 losses btw

[molten oasis]

But cornerstone is, the better option

[molten oasis]

In what, bo1?

[solid frigate]

yeah rn in 1400+ Elo with 75% consistency

[molten oasis]

You should, probably throw that into bo3 and see if it’s actually good

[molten oasis]

Bo1 doesn’t really do much for scouting out a team’s viability until high ladder and even then you can get some really stupid shit in here

[solid frigate]

technically this team is also made by Lyco and Crephace

[autumn vault]

Just came back, toasted my Draft Opponent in a Bo3
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156780867
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2156783802

Also what are we discussing?

[solid frigate]

fair

[solid frigate]

that Team we 3 made

https://pokepast.es/2292e0e3f2f94480

[autumn vault]

Thats right

[solid frigate]

also Me when i say Scarf Kyogre is Overrated,I meant it

[molten oasis]

tbf I still need to throw this team I have into bo3 but I think it’s very consistent otherwise

The core, 6ths is a Mon of the day tbh

[solid frigate]

honestly just aim the for 60% Consistency

or even 70%

[molten oasis]

I aim for 70

[solid frigate]

i aim for at least 65%

My Kyogre one is that first team to 75%

[autumn vault]

I aim for 70% too

In either 1400 or 1500 elo

[solid frigate]

also i notice a trend

when i make a Physical Attacking Team i do horribly

but Special Attackers i done pretty well

[bold geode]

I need to do BO3s tbh

Or some online tours with OTS

[molten oasis]

same

i legit just, dont want to build anything ingame lol

for online tours

i need to get better at decision making post g1

[bold geode]

Well I need to do so for Zacian team lol
Honestly I'm not posting more rentals this Reg tbh

[molten oasis]

indeed, also fair

[solid frigate]

its almost August and the Regs are changing

[molten oasis]

i might post this team but thats it

[solid frigate]

i will delete the rentals and make better ones in Reg H

[molten oasis]

i try to offer niche shit in rentals and nothing niche really clicked this reg

im mostly excited to start pairing things with zac

[solid frigate]

i just pair shit with Terapagos

but all come back to Meta stuff

[molten oasis]

zac ogre is probably where i go first

[bold geode]

I did more off meta but like really just
Probably will do a meta analysis going over the events of Reg G and a Worlds prediction
Maybe put out a "here's some funny teams I threw together this Reg"
Not much going on blog wise besides that

[solid frigate]

Lunala Pagos and MiraiOgre for me

tho Miraidon + Kyogre might be a bad idea

[molten oasis]

how to lose to raging bolt step 1 (ik its not an automatic loss)

uhm

[solid frigate]

yeah i really need Landorus-

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-landorus-landlos-tornadus-gif-16172877878845363419

like thats the thing that can get rid of Rillaboom and Bolt

[molten oasis]

double dogs is genuinely something im considering

support zama SD offensive zac

[solid frigate]

it do be funny tho

Coaching Zamazenta support

Terapagos Lunala tho is just me hate Koraidon and Zamazenta

[molten oasis]

korai zac is also something i thought about, zac defensively helps korai a lot

fairy killer, also good into CIR

[solid frigate]

also true

[bold geode]

Double dogs will be so cheeks tbh
Fire prone

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu:Hello

[molten oasis]

well yk we got rapid strike peli dogs in the builder

[bold geode]

Even if Zama helps with Zacian's cat hate, still it just hmmm

[molten oasis]

nah idk, it be more a funny team not anything serious

[solid frigate]

and both hate Groudon for sure

which honestly

[bold geode]

Oh yeah it'd be funny

[molten oasis]

as someone said in another server zac is a slappable in double which, is a thought

idk if thatll stack up nowadays but ik in SWSH it was THE Slappable restricted

[solid frigate]

i mean in SWSH it is slappable

idk about SV but i think its still slappable in Few selections

[molten oasis]

zac ogre is obvious and where i'll probably go first tbh

[solid frigate]

Zacian Kyurem White?

[molten oasis]

yes

have nothing be able to carry the team good idea

[bold geode]

The only reason Zac wasn't as good due to the nerf as well was basically the fact that it was one of the few fast paced mons that could be slowed down

[junior patrol]

Say quick question circling back to my TR team would Hydrapple be good on the team?

[molten oasis]

not that that's necesarry but, aw man dont make me face my demons bro

[solid frigate]

also who the fuck think is a good idea on making Caly S 150 Speed-

[bold geode]

Hydrapple blows

[molten oasis]

hydrapple unfortunately sucks

its just bad

[solid frigate]

i can literally see a Mental image of Kieran crying lmao

[molten oasis]

yk people would complain about zac being 148 if caly wasn't 150

zac is literally faster than most of the meta

[solid frigate]

i mean its fair i guess...

Rn the median Speed Stat for Gen 9 is 120 lmao

[molten oasis]

hence why im using it lol

fast, weirdly bulky, hard hitting guy is good

[bold geode]

But yeah meta has basically been fast paced with it slowly ramping up at least in NA
EU and some others loved to go slow

[molten oasis]

if the meta gets slower zac struggles harder

[solid frigate]

idk why us Europeans like to go slow(I'm not even European fuck)

[molten oasis]

rn its doing decent but zac doesnt enjoy dealing with slow teams, unless your sd then its kinda fine

sd and click bblade through their screens and shit

eh ig, zac really hates sun more than anything

fire types and all

[bold geode]

Well the thing was that like
Zacian like
It can be slowed down by Intimidate, which is a common ability even outside of Incineroar for VGC
There's others rn like Calyrex Shadow and Caly Ice (Clear Amulet holding) that don't get slowed down by said thing

[solid frigate]

Americans:Fast Paced
European:Slow Paced
Japanese:Idk wtf are they doing but they are cooking

[molten oasis]

yeaaaa

zac being the only semi common restricted that has to deal with intimidate

[bold geode]

Like it's just easier to slow Zacian down rn than others and that hurt it
Double restricted though

[molten oasis]

haha

[junior patrol]

Damn I only asked cause I saw it's stats and thought it would be good with it's ability to lower evasion

[molten oasis]

nice incin idiot, eat this water spout

[solid frigate]

isn't that the only Restricted that had to deal with it

[molten oasis]

🫵

[solid frigate]

Unless you count AV Groudon

[molten oasis]

uh, kyurem black lol

yes zac is the only restricted in the meta that has to deal with it

regularly

[solid frigate]

screw Kyurem black lmao jk

[bold geode]

Like now you have to slow down 2 restricted lol

[molten oasis]

i think zac ogre will be the best but who knows

zac pagos is something i could see potentially

[solid frigate]

I mean Torn Ogre is so damn menacing in SWSH so yeah

[solid frigate]

Hold on.

NEW SAUCE?

[molten oasis]

zac is purely to scare fighting types

which, pagos doesn't like

[solid frigate]

i think Zac and Lunala are good With Pagos

[molten oasis]

CSR acomplishes this better

[solid frigate]

ik ik

[bold geode]

CSR Zama

[solid frigate]

its just i love Lunala having Wide Guard

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

thats gonna be brutal

[solid frigate]

either my best MU or Worst MU

[bold geode]

You're gonna need to be able to beat it

[molten oasis]

well you need to be able to beat CSR now its not like anything changes

beyond now having to compensate for zama

[solid frigate]

thats why i want to use Lunala cuz i also don't have Calyrex(still waiting for someone to trade for me)

[molten oasis]

chi yu is gonna be really popular

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-goat-ms-smash-fish-chi-yu-pokemon-gif-6628838649538574254

Pagos,Chi Yu and Lunala/CSR is a good core ngl

[timber falcon]

the ray team works

[bold geode]

I would literally slap both Zama and CSR in front of that fucker and force it to make a choice

[timber falcon]

i think ill start the elo grind now to make sure

[solid frigate]

haven't seen you for a long time

[molten oasis]

well yea, damage trades

[timber falcon]

took a break ig

[molten oasis]

unless they go flutter yu lol

[solid frigate]

i mean i have less reasons not to use Flutter Mane lmao

[molten oasis]

rapid strike is also decent into both

[solid frigate]

this picture is taken by Terapagos lmao

[timber falcon]

good old low ladder

restricted denyers go hard

[molten oasis]

haha, zac CSR is totally reasonable too

[chrome knot]

free elo