competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

E-Terrain disables spore

[molten oasis]

Tera ground

[molten oasis]

You don’t need spore

Amoonguss is still very very valuable into the miraidon mu as redirection

[autumn vault]

Yeah, although Spore is disabled Rage Powder and Pollen Puff aren't

[molten oasis]

Cuz nothing runs goggles on a miraidon team

[autumn vault]

And unlike a lot of pokemon, it can actually tank an E-Drift

[molten oasis]

I also think CIR teams are very consistent, hence thinking they’re better to start

HO with Pagos is also something to try out

I think it’s more up to preference but there’s options to try out

[autumn vault]

I prefer Miraidon teams since you can brainlessly murder stuff with electric moves and Volt-Switch in an emergency

And imo it's less prepared for than CIR

[molten oasis]

How to prepare for Mirai: rilla/amoonguss 👍

Nah but tbf that makes sense

[autumn vault]

How to prepare for CIR teams: Amoonguss/Incin/Volc 👍

[molten oasis]

I do think it is up to preference

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Of how the player wants to play

[autumn vault]

CIR is better but more prepared for

At the end of the day, it really depends on what players want to play

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[autumn vault]

A Trick Room team?
A tailwind team?
A balance team?
There are many options

But HO is the easiest to play

Which is a reason why i prefer beginners to play Miraidon first

[molten oasis]

Ig

[frigid flume]

Gonna try that rajan team and the aronaquid trick room team

[next stump]

Rajan’s team is a solid choice

[next stump]

[autumn vault]

Very accurate

Helping Hand boosted Astral Barrage go brrrrr

[molten oasis]

so true

time to do a food handlers permit instead of building a team

mine just barely expired so i have to do it again

cant skip to the end and do the test either

[dapper crag]

So true 😂

[chrome knot]

THIS !!

[upbeat quail]

Today I learned the hard way that helping hand doesn’t work on ally gholdengo :/

[molten oasis]

you're not using mold breaker hh ogerpon smh

[upbeat quail]

I would’ve broken out of my losing streak if it wasn’t for that. Literally a 4% difference

[autumn vault]

You experienced it the hard way

I never did that

[zinc totem]

some teams are spicy af https://youtu.be/ZEoe7Bg5Jw4

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

I would pass out from the cringe i'm seeing on this

[nocturne holly]

the fuck

[strange fjord]

https://youtu.be/TARbaIbQOSc?si=FFPxbnngnAZKwRtg
Pokesports also made a video on the same team today

[calm gulch]

@bold geode

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

wow this is just blowing up

the crocalor team

[chrome knot]

stinky

[polar canyon]

I forget unaware also makes you ignore opponent evasion

Still dedicating a team spot to an anti gimmick seems odd

Even if it has more utility than just that

Honestly I want but don't want double restricted to come sooner

I want an excuse to use the more supportive restricteds

But you just know the meta is gonna be misty about using 2 of the ones that are already the top cut of the regulation

Not gonna be happy fighting zama kyogre

Miraidon ursaluna + cir

[strange fjord]

time to use anti-synergy with Groudon and Kyogre combo. With a TTar and A-Ninetales in the back

[polar canyon]

Pelipper groudon and the air lock rayquaza

I wonder if espeed ray + chien is gonna be actually viable or even worse in 2 restricted

I kinda wanna use lunala but it feels like worse terapagos in lots of ways

[rustic mountain]

blanking on the name but worlds runner up in 2016 made it pretty far in i believe players cup 4 w/ an ogre/g money team in swsh

[rustic mountain]

itll b better, but so will the other guys

[polar canyon]

Whats g money

[rustic mountain]

groudon

[polar canyon]

Neat

[rustic mountain]

different format and gimmick but i wouldnt of thought itd work then either till it did

i remember seeing it like wtf haha

i think he got top 4

[polar canyon]

g money and k cash?

[rustic mountain]

idk bout that for kyogre haha g money just works for groudon

[polar canyon]

Ray credit to round out the trio

[rustic mountain]

especially cuz u better place ur bets (money) if press a miss blades is gna hit or not

[nocturne holly]

Kohls cash 😎

[polar canyon]

Wheres physical ground type water spout right

[nocturne holly]

why isn’t groudon fire type

Sun=fire

[polar canyon]

They tried to fix that with primal

But also it's not the sun guy it's just the land>water guy

[pallid hare]

its a living mass of earth that's been, technically, depowered

[nocturne holly]

Why wasn’t it like sand then

For the weather

[polar canyon]

No it's just because it's the continent pokemon as opposed to the ocean one

[rustic mountain]

we need sand and snow setting legendaries

[nocturne holly]

Fr

snowdon and sandogre

[rustic mountain]

its been so long lmao

[pallid hare]

correction: a living mass of superheated earth thats been depowered

[polar canyon]

Since I last have seen my son lost to this monster
To the man behind the slaughter

[balmy glen]

Why is his mic so loud @chrome knot @next stump

[chrome knot]

idrk

also they need a bid bot this is so messy

oop where u headed keanu

[crystal pecan]

alright so

im gonna start getting into competitive aka showdown

[chrome knot]

oo sempra team hype

[crystal pecan]

can anyone help me? ive never got into competitive

please

[next stump]

Are you looking to play double or single battles?

[crystal pecan]

single

gen 9 UU i think

or wait

ubers yea ubers

[chrome knot]

you successfully eliminated like 80% of this chat that can help you

[crystal pecan]

oh how so?

i can go to a diff type if youd like like

[chrome knot]

most of us are doubles vgc players :P

[crystal pecan]

idc as long as its singles

[crystal pecan]

why doubles

[chrome knot]

bc its the irl format…

some of us travel and play in real tournaments

[crystal pecan]

your required to play in doubles irl?

[chrome knot]

like @next stump @balmy glen and myself

yes doubles is the format for irl events

[crystal pecan]

ive never done doubles, but I can try

so doubles ubers? i could do that

[chrome knot]

non

doubles of vgc current regulation

we dont follow smogons formats

their tiers for vgc mirror play!pokemons rulesets

[crystal pecan]

this is just confusing tbh

[chrome knot]

not rly im just explaining it like an idiot

[crystal pecan]

well maybe im just dumb for not really getting it, thank you for trying lol

[next stump]

If you only want to play singles, don’t worry about doubles. Just know that you can’t play in person tournaments

And also the most competitive and balanced singles formats only exist on Showdown, but it sounds like that’s where you were going to play already

[chrome knot]

dillon whats ur preferred team lookin at draft map rn

[next stump]

I’d like to play for Kortex I think

but tbh I’d just be happy to be drafted

[chrome knot]

if ur not in miraidon draft sory gang

u should be tbh

i wanna be with tokenfemale

[silver ravine]

Might be wrong or it could be a Japan only thing, but isn't Battle Stadium Singles apart of in person tournaments?

[lofty tartan]

Japan doesn't do singles either. They tend to be forced to do best-of-one closed team sheet tournaments or online events which are also BO1 CTS

And no, singles are not a part of official or live events. It's all doubles, as doubles is the official competitive format.

[foggy lodge]

Damn

All japan events are BO1 CTS?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah.

[nocturne holly]

rare Mika appearance

[lofty tartan]

Like Japan Nationals? It was BO1 CTS so you saw a lot of shenanigans that show up in settings like that.

[silver ravine]

Huh could've sworn BSS was a thing at least in Japan as it was supposed to be popular there. If I did singles it'd probably be BSS as it's 3 v 3 is a lot quicker than 6 v 6

[lofty tartan]

Yeah no, Japan still plays doubles in an official capacity. People play singles on the side, but it's not an official format whatsoever. It's just on BSS 🤷

Like Battle Stadium Doubles are best of one and closed team sheets, when official events are best of three and open team sheets.

So battle stadium is a fairly mediocre litmus.

[silver ravine]

Gotcha. It's crazier that BO1 CTS is a thing

[lofty tartan]

There's more development and otherwise that needs to happen for open team sheets on cart, and best of three is less feasible as an online format with the amount of casual players that tend to play as well.

They're catering to both a casual and competitive crowd, and additionally a crowd that doesn't even play doubles.

BO1 CTS is fine for proof-of-concept stuff though.

[nocturne holly]

Bo3 would not be good for the franchise
Games would take too long for a casual player

ots is like hard to implement good

[lofty tartan]

Like if a team just gets completely washed over and over in BO1 it maybe didn't pass the whole proof of concept stage where a team is a reasonable pick into the competitive setting.

And even then, Battle Stadium is a wild west of crazy shenanigans.

There are people who lean really hard into the CTS nature and capitalize on the fact that you don't know their sets or teras.

One bad tera call and you're extremely behind as a result.

Nature of the beast I guess

[balmy glen]

@next stump on my team maybe..?

nvm

[chrome knot]

nah

he did get on the team he wanted tho

[next stump]

marco fiero let’s goo

[balmy glen]

I like my team so far

Although my team is like all the same skill level

My team is all vibes lmao

[molten oasis]

You got on a team?

[balmy glen]

For OPL ye

[molten oasis]

Congrats that’s hype

[next stump]

@mighty stump let's gooooo drafted

[balmy glen]

My team is literally just SoCal

+1 …

[chrome knot]

Arcanine used Head Smash!
A critical hit!
(The opposing Calyrex lost 100% of its health!)

The opposing Calyrex fainted!
Arcanine was damaged by the recoil!

@mighty stump

was 101.9% min

[solid frigate]

not even reflect can save it

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/f93ec9a7c7558227 thoughts on the last slot? Was thinking either lando I because spread damage or tera normal ditto

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154787143-39ok04t0jkd5pmiizzvuzs9esvuckf0pw

navigated like a queen tbh

[molten oasis]

Lando I looks solid

Pao also works

[mighty stump]

LETS GOOO I WAS ASLEEP

WHAT DID I MISS

yoo Conkledonk and SableyeVGC on my team

[balmy glen]

I was hoping to meet new players but I guess a team of friends is nice

[chrome knot]

oh im

[mighty stump]

Yo you’re a tumbleweed

[chrome knot]

on ur team in the lil league

[mighty stump]

This is the Koraidon division draft?

[chrome knot]

yeah

im a little leaguer

[mighty stump]

Koraidon is little league?

[balmy glen]

Ye

[mighty stump]

I just woke up like

2 seconds ago im still confused

[balmy glen]

Real

[chrome knot]

ok tofu

lets win both divisions

[mighty stump]

Emma I’m a timelord

[chrome knot]

WHATAAATA

OMG I CANT BELIEVE ITAWNJFIOBWNAUIOGBNATJUH

[mighty stump]

What what what

[chrome knot]

oh wait

im on joe kylan team nvm sorry mixed it up

[mighty stump]

Lol

Oh Patrick Connor is on our team too

And a bunch of other names i feel vaguely familiar with

[molten oasis]

That’s cool

[mighty stump]

i like it, feels chill

[molten oasis]

I bet

Hope you have fun in there

[mighty stump]

new anime on crack wtf

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Oh it’s that text

Why is it white wtf

[bold geode]

Wtf is that 1
2. Hey question
Why Rilla and Miraidon

[balmy glen]

@chrome knot

were u drafted

[chrome knot]

on the little league

[mighty stump]

Because

I get to control the terrain timings lol

[bold geode]

Oh
I had one guy saying why people were doing that in another server
Said same thing lol
Besides like being able to Volt Switch and then weaken their Miraidon in mirrors

[mighty stump]

Yeah exactly

Lol

Its also why I have High Horsepower on Rilla

for Hands/Mirai/Bolt

[bold geode]

High Horsepower Rilla nice

Well, time to play HSR and fight the urge to not touch my wallet

[mighty stump]

bro lol

You should play WuWa

[bold geode]

Hey
Pretty train man

[bold geode]

I actually was thinking about it

[mighty stump]

I like the Astral Express

[mighty stump]

Its great

And generous

Lol

[bold geode]

Can I gamble good on there too?

If so

https://tenor.com/view/django-unchained-sold-django-gif-26160019

[mighty stump]

Yeah for free

[bold geode]

We like gambling

Don't let me back into a casino lmao

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen realized 2 people in mirai league part of team im in ive built with before

my team is epic but im so sad im a little leaguer

[bold geode]

Actually Tofu funny enough the first time I ever went gambling
I went with the fam and I was the only one to walk out with any money

[balmy glen]

dont be its a semi stacked pool

[mighty stump]

Wait I actually got bought for more than 3k?

[chrome knot]

[mighty stump]

wat

[chrome knot]

all my friends are playing outside and im squidward

[balmy glen]

@next stump u have my friends on ur team

[chrome knot]

super excited to cook with the squad tbh

however ive gone full patcon cir mode and its been fun

i like playing game again

[mighty stump]

I was nearly on the same team with Dillon

[bitter phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/900688eca90a342f

Thought on this team? I've been thinking of adapting it to be used in NA and EU BO3 OTS formats

(For those who don't know the abbreviations: NA = North America, EU = Europe, BO3 = Best of three, OTS = Open Team Sheets )

[solid frigate]

don't worry,We know this

Also isn't that the Blizzard Ogre Team that is discussed for quite a while before?

[bitter phoenix]

Maybe? I'll read through the older messages.

[solid frigate]

yeah we talked about it during and a Short while After Japan Nationals

[charred saddle]

tbf i dont see anything wrong with stating abbreviations, heck it is better to avoid misinformation or miscommunication

[solid frigate]

i know i'm just saying don't worry about it

[bitter phoenix]

Makes sense, this team did win it after all.

[solid frigate]

its top 4 so yeah its impressive and interesting tho

[bitter phoenix]

I used it in a good chunk of BO1 battles and it felt amazing to play, I want to use it in some irl tournaments but since this is a CTS, BO1 team it may have to go through some major changes.

Putting fake out on Rillaboom and adding protect on Kyogre are two big ones

[solid frigate]

i think Controlling Both Weathers depending on the Modes on the Team is actually very clever

[solid frigate]

also isn't that Meteor Beam Pagos won the entire thing-

[bitter phoenix]

Oh yeah, mb I misread the list.

[solid frigate]

i would actually wanna try Calyrex Ice Double Weather Team

[bitter phoenix]

Oi not here!

<@&663761167176433665>

[solid frigate]

don't worry i reported them

[molten marsh]

Gone

[chrome knot]

thanks gang

[molten marsh]

They posted in shiny hunter too

[solid frigate]

Thanks

[bitter phoenix]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

tapxsf1 has given 1 Gen Rep to kitsunekirara

[chrome knot]

its a bot

[molten marsh]

Yep bot scam

[solid frigate]

yeah

anyways time to build a Double Weather Caly Ice Team

[bitter phoenix]

Have fun!

[dull ibex]

vc?

[solid frigate]

good news

i got back my teams

bad news

i lost my pagos team

[mighty stump]

sure

[chrome knot]

hello tofu.

[mighty stump]

Emma

👁️

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1258228324237443204

[chrome knot]

wyeball

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e7b5de70ccd31d59

Ok Tera Fire Pelipper is stupid but its for when the team is facing against Sun

[balmy glen]

vc full moment

[mighty stump]

not anymore

I blame Red

I had no part in this

[balmy glen]

sad

[proud musk]

are the 3 kyurem forms usable to some degree in SV pvp?

[mighty stump]

Only Kyu-W at best

Kyu-B is just an okay version of baxcal lol

[solid frigate]

and Base Kyurem is a Disappointment

[chrome knot]

doctor appointment

[mighty stump]

good luck

hope it goes the best

[proud musk]

what's the best way to use him? Kyurem js dope asf lol

as js a spa attacker or does he fill other roles better

[solid frigate]

Assault Vest Kyurem White

[chrome knot]

not till 16th

[solid frigate]

Kyurem white is basically did what Articuno does
Kyurem Black is Worse Baxcalibur

[lofty tartan]

It just doesn't though, unless the only comparison is "special attacker with ice typing"

People tried to run it like Aritcuno, but Kyurem-W just doesn't have the agency to lay about clicking Blizzard all day long. It's got a weird speed tier and going Choice Specs/Tera Ice on it leaves it unreal vulnerable because, unlike Articuno, it doesn't have Snow Cloak.

[charred saddle]

yeah, i think the thing that makes it better in a way from articuno is that its monstruous spA, and the move coverage

freezedry, EP, blizzard, fusion flare

also, with that being said while it doesnt have snowcloak to play around, it can run AV and tank quite a lot of hits under snow

but thats just it

its quite restricted compared to other restricted mons

needs to play on snow to have physical bulk, running AV means u can get FOd freely, and like dragon typing on top of ice isnt nice since ur basically open to fairy now

some run fire tera to boost flare + resists fairy and fire

and steel

[molten oasis]

I wish kwhite was better

It’s a cool Mon

It just doesn’t stack up to the big guys

[charred saddle]

it is yea

[molten oasis]

Maybe it has a shot in double but idk

If you want blizzard spam a9 is your weather setter and the weather setter not being the sweeper kinda blows

[charred saddle]

eh not really pelipper can act as a weather setter but it doesnt really care about needing to sweep

i mean most weather setter can sweep but i dont think that i really needs to fill that part

[molten oasis]

Yk how hard peli hits?

Like that weather ball hurts

Ok, a9 doesn’t do any damage

Peli does

[dull ibex]

we forced tofu out with brainrot

[charred saddle]

hitting hard =/= sweep tho

and like for sash pelipper yeah it can hit hard but rocky helmet bulk sets doesnt really do that much

[molten oasis]

i tried to pivot away from, nvm

[dapper crag]

Kyurem-White's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Cut, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Ice Fang, Icicle Spear, Iron Head, Outrage, Payback, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Freeze-Dry, Fusion Flare, Glaciate, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Ice Burn, Icy Wind, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Sheer Cold, Signal Beam, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Confide, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyurem-White.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[strange fjord]

Kyurem White doesnt get Fusion Flare

oh wait it does

i missed it lmao

[autumn vault]

Kyurem-White does not get Glaciate, it gets Ice Burn instead

I use Specs Kyurem White just because it does insane damage and with Tailwind fixes the speed issue

Plus it nukes so many things with Specs + Helping Hand + Tera

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/fadfc33b55ad04d2 Could i retool this into current format or is too outdated?

[autumn vault]

I think you can but it will be very hard if not impossible
What i'm trying to say is yes but it won't be easy

Anyways here is a meme made by myself

[balmy glen]

im facing tofu rn ima do no tera challenge

[mighty stump]

wtf

LOL

[balmy glen]

oh

u werent supposed to look at discord

[mighty stump]

is that really you

[balmy glen]

yes

[mighty stump]

lol

[balmy glen]

bros facing me in the worst mirror of all time

damn tofu isnt a yapper like me

[mighty stump]

oh

i have chat off

LOL

[balmy glen]

oh

thought u were ignoring me

[mighty stump]

HAHAHAHA IM SORRY

Its out of habit

[balmy glen]

real

[mighty stump]

I have spec/opp chat off

[balmy glen]

btw

mirai mirror might be 2nd worst after Zama chien mirror

[mighty stump]

lmao

oof

[balmy glen]

o

gg

lol

[mighty stump]

gg sorry for crit

[balmy glen]

its ok its like my millionth alt

[mighty stump]

How do you feel about covert cloak whims

I see it more rn

with like

[balmy glen]

idek why im playing at 3 am

[mighty stump]

4 move sunny day

[balmy glen]

mad tired

[mighty stump]

btw cotton spore sucks ass i thought it would be like scary face but nah

[balmy glen]

I forgot the items on your team i was playing 2 games at the same time

were u cloak?

[mighty stump]

lol

no

im sash

i just see cloak atm

[balmy glen]

ohh

I think cloak is better in the mirror since it allows us have light screen secondary and better to match the kyogre screens teams

[mighty stump]

o

Against Kyo Screens I just Head Smash + Helping Hand

LOL

[balmy glen]

thats a moment

[mighty stump]

What does Kyo run Def EVs wise

252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine-Hisui Helping Hand Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Kyogre through Reflect: 209-246 (100.9 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[balmy glen]

252 132 def

[graceful flare]

Should I run flare blitz on incin if I use kyofre rain

[balmy glen]

no

[graceful flare]

Then what do I use

[autumn vault]

Knock Off

It's good enough

[graceful flare]

I always run knock off

[balmy glen]

just use knock off, parting shot, fake out, 4th slot can be wisp or helping hand

[graceful flare]

Can wisp miss on incin

Like poison types can't miss toxic

[autumn vault]

Yes, it can

[graceful flare]

So waht abt fire types and burn

[balmy glen]

yes

[graceful flare]

Well then I can't use wisp

I have to use helping hand then

[autumn vault]

Its ok using moves that can miss

Just the misses can be annoying

[graceful flare]

Yeah but it can ruin the whole game sometimes if u miss

[autumn vault]

Besides Will-O-Wisp is used to cripple Clear Amulet physical attackers

[graceful flare]

I don't use moves unless 100 accurate

[autumn vault]

Dude, if you have good rng then its not likely

Besides mising doesn't automatically cost you games

[balmy glen]

i mean my boy riley only uses 100% acc moves so its fine

[graceful flare]

Idk who ruley is but he seems like a man of culture

[autumn vault]

I use any move that has accuracy above 75%

[mighty stump]

252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine-Hisui Helping Hand Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Kyogre through Reflect: 182-215 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO 1/4 pog

good enough for me

LOL

[balmy glen]

i would recommend going to 90% and above at least

only time u really go lower than 100% is speed control stuff

[autumn vault]

I can see why

[mighty stump]

Sleep Powder be like:

[balmy glen]

only joe can use sleep powder

[mighty stump]

Real

[balmy glen]

king of sleep powder luck

[mighty stump]

My Sleep Powder RNG go brazy

(bad crazy)

[autumn vault]

The only 80% i use is Hydro Pump on specs kyogre
85% is P-Blades, Origin Pulse and Bolt Strike
Rest is 90-100% accuracy

And yes in the past i used Sleep Powder

[balmy glen]

its always nice to have a million alts

half of them I can use to tryhard and take notes for matches

the other half I can just play mindless games until my brain can think a couple of turns ahead automatically

I tend to think the mindless games are better when learning

[mighty stump]

Mood

Plus its fun to think of an alt naming scheme sometimes

[balmy glen]

also I feel like I should just bring zama to worlds atp

every time I drop hella elo I just go to my bread and butter Zama and end up with like a million more points

[mighty stump]

Lol

Why fix what aint broke

[sharp cobalt]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 152 SpD Arboliva: 774-912 (215 - 253.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 152 SpD Eviolite Dolliv: 654-770 (212.3 - 250%) -- guaranteed OHKO

hehe funny

[little quartz]

Sleep powder:

When I use it: 4 misses in a row
When Joe uses it: ;4 connects in a row

[little quartz]

I’ve been using zama a lot

It’s very saucy

[next stump]

good morning

[balmy glen]

mornin

[balmy glen]

dillon take care of Walkingcake and Srvoltmike for me

they are on ur b team

[little quartz]

Was using Michael Zhang’s zama team a bit, then kinda fell down the ladder trying to think of ways to pin Amoonguss and Joe’s venasaur team cause it shot up. Plus shadow rider and scarf shifu kinda gave me problems. So I’ve added Gholdengo and Pelipper now

[upbeat quail]

Man this meta is so volatile. I take a break from the game for about a week to clear my head and I come back to the new frustrations

How do y’all deal with the frustrations and salt. I wish there was an off switch in my mind so I can enjoy the game even when I lose

[next stump]

I try my best to spin every game, win or loss, into something I can learn

It's really rare that I lose a game and there's genuinely nothing/barely anything that I could have done better

[upbeat quail]

Oh there’s always something I can do better in a match and I recognize it. I just get so pissed off at myself and the game when I fuck up or misclick on showdown

Plus I play a lot of BO1 so there is a ton of random bullshit that I can’t account for on there

Just lost to a misty terrain weezing that got swaggered by an ability shield tornadus

[next stump]

that's the exact reason I don't play bo1 lol

or if you do, you accept those games and just win enough to get higher elo

[chrome knot]

i got jump scared by fairy dgleam miraidon

[mighty stump]

I played against slow lando-i in TR

and i was like

???

[autumn vault]

!?

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

Hello

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155044800-k94i2d28tw62z80r830l2pexqzs5k4cpw

kinda like clockwork

[karmic temple]

Hi comp chat uwu

[bold geode]

OwO

[autumn vault]

AwA

[bold geode]

Oh my God chat, I just saw a TikTok live on the Flat Earth community

[karmic temple]

CwC

Did you tell them the earth was round

[bold geode]

I should've tbh

[autumn vault]

Flat earthers have flat brains

Tell them

[bold geode]

The crazier part is for a mic, dude taped a small mic to a fucking oar

It's attached to a fucking oar

[autumn vault]

The earth may not be flat, but their brains are

[patent marsh]

wtf

these people need to take a flight from australia to Canada or something

so realise it's not flat

[autumn vault]

They've been a thing for a very long time

And when i say very long time i mean since the ancient times when they couldn't prove that the Earth was round

[patent marsh]

Yea Ik they've existed for so long but a simple flights literally proves all their theories wrong

[autumn vault]

True

[mighty stump]

Can’t convince those who don’t want to be convinced lol

[chrome knot]

hi tofu

[shadow wind]

The great ice walls not letting us go to middle earth.

Makes me so sad.

[nocturne holly]

why were you watching 🤔

flat earther vibes

[mighty stump]

hi emma

[chrome knot]

hi tofu

what u doin up at 1am

[mighty stump]

cant sleep, tryin

[bold geode]

It popped up on my fyp
I don't watch that stuff lol

[bold geode]

We'd overflow if not for that ice wall, you be quiet

[shadow wind]

But I want to go to middle earth.

The dragons are out of reach unfortunately.

[nocturne holly]

what speed do most incin run

i wanna speedcreep it with umbreon

[mighty stump]

just outspeed the fastest one

Lol

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/x2qQg99XOqA

so how is everybody day today?

[mighty stump]

This is just clickbait lol

[solid frigate]

wtf is he cookin

[mighty stump]

Really not relevant

[solid frigate]

Like legit wtf is he cookin

[zinc totem]

he's cooking interesting teams

[zinc totem]

this time its probably toast on hot flame grill

[zinc totem]

thse are in compeittive ladder so its still funny to see those teams

but i wonder if i should switch electric tera on my miraidon to fairy

[mighty stump]

Majority of VGC youtubers are like, just clickbait stuff

Anything can be interesting if it's weird enough but I wouldn't really watch/learn from it, since some of those reasonings can also be really really shoddy

[zinc totem]

to be fair: HE did say this:

[mighty stump]

What does Pyroar here do that Chi-Yu doesn't straight up do better in every regard

[mighty stump]

This doesn't prove anything?

[bold geode]

https://x.com/Pikalytics/status/1808581792976548309?t=uSl8Br9TwLUooN435SZfIw&s=33

Pikalytics (@Pikalytics) on X

Hello trainers! It has been a LONG time coming, but we have FINALLY made it through our endless struggles with Google Play Store to get an app update through!

VGC 2024 Reg. G usage has landed on our iOS and Android apps! 🍎🤖

https://t.co/jYsemLwWBB

https://t.co/0U8LUIAK7M

Twitter · Jul 3, 2024, 7:21 PM

They have a mobile app?

[zinc totem]

for me it shows, he thinks what he uses in clickbaits too atleast to extend

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that's the reason I stopped watching a few of them. They're just running goofy teams in BO1 CTS ladders and claiming the goofy teams are somehow amazing but never show up in any relevancy at any event ever.

[mighty stump]

I don't mind goofy

[lofty tartan]

Goofy is fine

[mighty stump]

I mind if they're goofy without the reasons/justifications

I learn nothing from it if its goofy for the sake of goofy

[lofty tartan]

But claiming goofy is somehow "unspoken tech" is inaccurate.

[bold geode]

Not to like talk shit, but Kneeckoh sorta feels like he's in a mid ground there
Plus he's always looking at off meta stuff
I got one of my Infernape ideas from him

[mighty stump]

I like wack stuff

[lofty tartan]

Wack stuff is fine.

Just present it as wack stuff

[lofty tartan]

But something like this misleads impressionable players, frankly.

[bold geode]

Oh me too but like
The idea with Kneeckoh's content is usually "look at what this crazy thought can do!"

[zinc totem]

to be fair: AV thund therian,eviolite crocalor and motor drive electivire videos are wacky stuff and has things they give for team haha

those were teams i liked most what he played with

[mighty stump]

Yeah but like again

[zinc totem]

discharge motordrive was funny

[lofty tartan]

Yeah there's a reason I don't watch him. I've been seeing a lot of low-tier youtubers all following the same schtick lately.

[mighty stump]

What can those do that others cannot do and more

[lofty tartan]

OMG LOOK AT THIS CRAZY THING NO ONE USES -- proceeds to cherry pick matches

[mighty stump]

Its either about transparency that you genuinely think hey this is funny but this is purely for that, and to not take it seriously

Or

Its a goofy thing you have decent logic for that can be worth listening/discussing about

[zinc totem]

i normally dont take any video seriously unless its wolfey

[lofty tartan]

I don't even watch Wolfe. He's too memey, which cannot be taken seriously.

I've watched one informative video of his.

Aaron Zheng is one of the few players that actually thoroughly explains reasoning and thought.

[bold geode]

Like it's alright to use some off meta stuff with reason, don't get me wrong but like
When you ONLY watch that content and don't get a grasp on the meta itself or anything else, it can kinda get complicated

[lofty tartan]

Yeah videos are good but quality of content matters.

[zinc totem]

well wolfey memey being abit more upfront. He has more detail through his patreon

which is dumb ngl

[lofty tartan]

I ain't paying for his patreon lmfao.

Anyone paywalling that stuff doesn't get my dollarinos.

[zinc totem]

but for 50 bucks he does in-depth analysis of your teams in patreon

[lofty tartan]

Looking at you, Pokesports.

[mighty stump]

His Patreon stuff is pretty good though

At least for his team info

[lofty tartan]

LOL for 50 bucks I better be getting something more

[mighty stump]

I do that for like, free

like all the time

[lofty tartan]

^^^^^^^

[mighty stump]

definitely not wolfe level

[lofty tartan]

50 bucks is highway robbery.

[bold geode]

There's only two reasons I watch Wolfe's videos where he does like the Limitless tournaments

1. As background noise
2. Because he's one of the few people besides Cybertron that I've seen who will at times actually go into depth about their turns like "I'm doing this and here's why"

[mighty stump]

but it's better than other free ones youd get

[lofty tartan]

CloverBells will give you a private sesson for TEN

[zinc totem]

hah yeah, why you think i trust you more than vgc tubers

but for real money grabs are insane'

but he rides his "Im world champion" wave

[mighty stump]

It's why I don't market paid coaching at all but ill go beyond what I usually do if someone wants that service

[lofty tartan]

Yeah intent matters. These folks out here charging an arm and a leg after one good finish.

[zinc totem]

tbf i wouldnt mind payuing few bucks to go more above and beyond

[mighty stump]

He is without a doubt one of the best players period though, since he views the game in a different dimension, so i'd admit that

[lofty tartan]

Ridiculous.

Like for 50 bucks a month I can learn career skills and obtain certifications.

[bold geode]

Like I like when the YouTubers go over like their turns and what they're doing cuz it's like
If you understand the board and actually have that skill right
Seeing their thought process while playing is something that's nice to see

[lofty tartan]

I've been learning cybersecurity for 30/month

[mighty stump]

Toppo's tweets are also really good to watch turns play out haha

[bold geode]

They are lol

[mighty stump]

Aight

I really should head to bed I have work in the morning

UGH

[lofty tartan]

Sleep well, Tofu.

[mighty stump]

Good night all

[zinc totem]

that is true, he has many videos hour long where he explains some teams he uses in actual tournaments

[zinc totem]

night sleep well buddy ❤️

[bold geode]

But yeah like cuz learning how to process the board states and getting value outta them is a bit of a weird concept to learn for some so having someone explain it out is good to look at

[zinc totem]

good example is this calm mind flutter mane he used to win biggest tournament second time

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but the problems there is the notoriety Wolfe has - he explains his team, how to play it and how to beat it, and everyone privy to that information now knows how to beat the team that you decided to run out of Wolfe's backyard.

Dislike.

I dropped a coach I had after he started telling me to copy Wolfe's teams.

[bold geode]

Well yeah that's one of the things that unfortunately can come with popularity

[zinc totem]

well it makes sense for him tell how to beat it, beacuse he knows people will copy it and use it

and its not much secret after tournament anyway so he just skips the data searching

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but that puts you at a disadvantage if you decided to run his teams. Due to his popularity he's gonna have more patreon users and more eyes on his content. 🤷

[bold geode]

Business lol

[nocturne holly]

what else is he supposed to tho
like even cybertron explains how to beat his teams
that comes with explaining the team too

[zinc totem]

people would anyway counter it after tournament so he just force skips it

[bold geode]

Gotta make profit somehow in order to keep doing stuff lol

[lofty tartan]

They are very rarely his teams

Cybertron takes teams from other people that have shown succcess and explains all pertinent information about the team.

Do I think the general idea of copying Youtuber teams is a good practice? Not really.

[solid frigate]

not bad i would say,Not bad

[zinc totem]

wolfey knows that teams he uses to win tournaments, people will figure out in couple dya time how to counter and beat them, so he uses it marketing tool AND he makes it so people dont bother doing it and everybody has fair chanse beat it if they can

[chrome knot]

i dont think you guys realize knowing a mu is not a guaranteed win

theres also a person behind that screen who may play differently

[lofty tartan]

That doesn't really disprove my point though. And the move he made for promoting his patreon after someone else won a tournament with the same team was pretty 😐

[zinc totem]

nice. im almospt 1400 myselkf

[solid frigate]

its the raito i mattered te most

75% is consistent

[lofty tartan]

I'm not saying anything like "using his team makes you lose"

I'm saying it puts you at an informational disadvantage.

[chrome knot]

W move you just cant respect someone on their hustle especially that he won in charlotte then one of his patreon members won again in EU

[bold geode]

He did apologize after that though at least
Although it could've been just words
Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2eedd4504f0dae37

[zinc totem]

well that disadvantage would anyway come in 1-2 days time so its not much differend

[lofty tartan]

That's not the point whatsoever.

[zinc totem]

but also beacuse he tells that, people will tweak team to find solution that makes "how to beat this team" into "wait thats not how it works!"

[lofty tartan]

It's not about "how much time do I have to run this team while people are still figuring it out"

The meta is constantly changing and adapting.

[zinc totem]

so in away he forces people think how to improve it from the disadvantage its given

[lofty tartan]

Lmao no he doesn't

[autumn vault]

Whats the topic?

[lofty tartan]

It's highly unlikely Johnny VGC is gonna take Wolfe's team and be like "man I know he's so much better than me but I know I can improve on his team"

[autumn vault]

Oh its Wolfe

[lofty tartan]

People most often just take his team and run it as-is. He wins a Regional? They're not gonna change the team - it's a winning team.

[autumn vault]

Don't get me wrong i want to improve at Competitive, but why would i want to pay over 50 Euros to get coached (really well) when Tofu just gives us advice all the time and i can get better at my own pace?

[chrome knot]

if it aint broke dont fix

[zinc totem]

well thats more if thinking highh competitive people yeah but you're telling me that people posting top teams that beats tournaments, people wouldnt figure out how to beat them once they're posted? its kinda same situation,wolfe again just skips the extra steps we would take to do it. which i get it haha

[zinc totem]

hah yeah, i wouldnt pay 50bucks either

[autumn vault]

For a video game, not worth it

[zinc totem]

definetly

[autumn vault]

If it was for real life i would consider it
But for a video game no

[zinc totem]

i remember LoL time people asking so stupid prices to being coached in that game its hilarious

[autumn vault]

Damn

I mean ik LoL doesn't have a great fanbase but damn

[zinc totem]

like there was this one 500€ coaching by challenger rank 9 player

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dies-of-cringe-cringe-dust-gif-21399701

[lofty tartan]

I did not say even once that people won't try to figure out how to beat it. I said people won't try to fix what isn't broken, especially coming from Wolfe.

He doesn't force anyone to think creatively or improve on his teams because how are you going to improve on it and find something he didn't?

His ability as a player is undeniable. But there are certain disadvantages to running extremely popular teams that gain even more popularity through youtube and patreon.

Ray Rizzo charges 90/hr for coaching btw.

[mighty stump]

turns out i still cant sleep

[lofty tartan]

You better be like teaching me welding for that cash.

[zinc totem]

but that one was like around 5-6years ago

the lol coaching

[lofty tartan]

No. It was this year while looking for coaches.

[zinc totem]

the prices are insanity in there

[zinc totem]

talked my 500€ price

[lofty tartan]

I didn't look for coaches years ago because I didn't play VGC years ago lol

[zinc totem]

i found it 5-6years ago

[autumn vault]

Paying for stuff related to games outside of the games themselves is not worth it unless its really cheap

[zinc totem]

but yeah its funny how muich some people asks ot coach others

[autumn vault]

For games alone, like pokemon, 60 is perfectly fine

And 70 is aswell

[zinc totem]

highest i ever paid for coaching was 20 bucks just to see whats worth

[autumn vault]

But similar prices for a game you already own? Hell no

[timber falcon]

Ooo very nice

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I was just talking about Ray Rizzo charging 90 an hour only a few months ago on Metafy

[zinc totem]

jesus

[timber falcon]

Raging bolt and zekrom stan now eh

[autumn vault]

I feel like my brain is rotting ngl

[zinc totem]

the 500€ was mulötiple sessions alongs 2months

but 90 bucks an hour, its full time job atr that point

[mighty stump]

Puts into perspective how little quality free help there is too

[lofty tartan]

I paid 120 dollars for a package of 7 sessions and got a discount on it for free consultation. But when he started passing the buck and telling me to just copy other players I dumped him like a bad ex.

[autumn vault]

I spend my money wisely, i will not pay for a pokemon + DLC worth for coaching for a video game that i can quickly improve in

[mighty stump]

In the grand scale of things

[zinc totem]

i mean even paid coachings are not that deep that they should be haha

[lofty tartan]

I've had some good paid coaching sessions.

It really depends on the person you're seeking help from.

Are they just trying to make a buck or legitimately help players grow?

Do they have a strong history of placements and experience?

[zinc totem]

well they werent horrible coaching sessions i tested, but they improved me like 10% better at the game

cuz wasnt that indepth

[lofty tartan]

Well at this point, where you have a grasp of things, your gains in skill level will be much smaller than when you first started

[zinc totem]

waching some replays and thats it haha

[lofty tartan]

You have less to learn now, so understandably you will have less gains faster.

[zinc totem]

that is true, that game i had pretty good graps knmowledge wise

while it was more harder put that knowledge in use

[lofty tartan]

Like when you first started you could see improvements pretty rapidly.

[mighty stump]

I do have to say though

[autumn vault]

True

[mighty stump]

The ignorance coming from lacking knowledge can be very freeing

[zinc totem]

tho its still hilarious that protect is only ability that makes pokemon work competitively or detect

[lofty tartan]

And people get lost in it because they're growing smaller amounts in the more middle area of skill.

[lofty tartan]

Troof. Sometimes I spend a lot on a turn trying to calculate possible responses or outcomes.

[zinc totem]

i was low gold tier in that game but i became high gold tier after coaching

[mighty stump]

I remember my teambuilds when I first started, were always more daring and were more often carried by piloting

[zinc totem]

oph yea, i got my bad habbiut overthinking in showdown a lot after a long time

[lofty tartan]

I've basically sworn off teambuilding until I am at a level of skill where I feel like I am comfortable.

[mighty stump]

I want that version of me back with the knowledge I have now

[zinc totem]

i used to overhthink stuff

[lofty tartan]

Teambuilding is definitely a skill that requires a lot of knowledge and experience.

[chrome knot]

idk what’s been said but ive been coached by Justin Tang, Jeudy & Olivia Moledzki and i feel like i have serious day 2 potential so coaching might not be for everyone but it does wonders

[mighty stump]

If not to have fun

Wish I had a coach

[zinc totem]

more about paid coaching

[mighty stump]

Wish I had a tofu for tofu

[lofty tartan]

You can get one easy.

[mighty stump]

Yeah but I find it hard to justify 50 smacks

[zinc totem]

hah imagine if we could go back what we were like 10 years ago with knowledge we have today

[lofty tartan]

No doubt. Highest I'll go is 30/hr but it better be with someone that has a track record.

[zinc totem]

for me highest is 20/hr

but for tofu coaching i can give a bit more but luckily its free so i save money

[lofty tartan]

Like if you just placed in events this year and started offering coaching, there's no way I'm giving you my money.

[mighty stump]

I don’t even charge near 20 and im not strict with time either

As long as you learn something

Definitely not taking any bookings atm lol

Im too busy

3 leagues and work

[chrome knot]

2/3 of these were paid

[lofty tartan]

Quite a load.

[mighty stump]

Being a vet also means more studying outside of work lmao

[lofty tartan]

No doubt.

Still really upset that our Leagues in my state died with the local changes announcement 😐

Thanks, Poppa Pokemon.

[zinc totem]

to be fair, what i've played and figure out thanks to tofu little bit, i found that i needed rocky helmet for my fargiraf to work better with my team

[autumn vault]

Listening to pro pokemon players is definitely worth it

And Tofu is an example you all know

[mighty stump]

I’m not a pro

Nowhere near

Although I also have seen players with good placements talk absolute ass

So grain of salt with everything tbh

[autumn vault]

You are still way better than i am, and several people here too
And sometimes it really does feel like you are, but if you think you are not then it's your opinion

[zinc totem]

well often people being enough skill to be pro, donet say themselves they are beacuse they think their skill is lower than what they actually are which remembers one funny meme i saw a while ago

[autumn vault]

A lot of people think they are better than they actually are

[zinc totem]

thats how you know somoene is actually pro or not.

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[zinc totem]

pros think they're less skillful while complete uttershit players thinks they're better

like one dude in showdown i critted his cresselia and called me lame but i had 2 pokemon back so it was win for me anyway

[autumn vault]

I do not think i am a pro player, i hang around 1300-1500 elo and thats pathetic compared to the feats that actual pros reached

[zinc totem]

around same as me

[autumn vault]

I can tell that your opponent took that with a huge grain of salt

[zinc totem]

oh yeah, yes it would be 2ohko miraidon without ET but it didnt matter at that point with his sableye and cresselia as last 2. Cresselia would been in red anyway

[lofty tartan]

I know I have a lot to learn. I try to avoid results-oriented thinking because if you have some variance in performance, it stings really hard.

[zinc totem]

for me koraidon is a bit problem but only beacuse its faster than my whimsicott (i dont have tornadus so 2nd best option)

[lofty tartan]

Oh no, I mean results-oriented thinking like giving a large amount of weight to your win/loss ratio.

Not like understanding matchups.

[zinc totem]

ah yeah. im stressing oveer my 30 loss 26 wins still but i've catched up on my wr little bit

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I am working on stressing less over it.

Your ladder performance doesn't specifically define you as a player.

[chrome knot]

ladder means nothing

[autumn vault]

Remember i started last year in competitive and skipped Reg D, it was most likely the best format to skip but thats not the point
The point is, many people think they are better than they actually are, and i am nowhere near a pro player, my accomplishments/skill are nothing compared to actual pros
Win/Lose ratio is there, unless you make an alt to climb to the top of the ladder it usually doesn't matter too much

[zinc totem]

but that is also beacuse i lost to double paradox teams or god damn random teams that uses like avaluggs and such

im having real bad time against more niche teams

[autumn vault]

Cheese related teams?

[zinc totem]

yeah

[lofty tartan]

A good starting foot against niche teams is to not start the match thinking "my team is better their team sucks"

[autumn vault]

Because unless you know the mon they are very annoying

[lofty tartan]

You're gonna have a bad time.

[autumn vault]

But again, i run Tera Rock Sand Zama so i should not complain

[zinc totem]

that snot why i lose, its more "how thje fuck im gonna deal with that

[autumn vault]

Fair point

[zinc totem]

so i try most basic things

like miraidon, incineroar, whimsicott and fargiragf

tho if i meet same team twice, i dont have much trouble

[autumn vault]

And also, not every match is won because of skill
A lot of them are because of luck

[lofty tartan]

Understanding the pokemon they're running helps.

Avalugg is extremely slow, high base physical defense, and terrible special defense.

They're likely to try and run it in trick room - so look for trick room mons. Otherwise blap it with special moves because it has 184 base defense.

[autumn vault]

You know, getting Great/Shit rng type of luck

[lofty tartan]

Knowledge and experience are BIG factors.

[zinc totem]

oh yeah! i lost toi snowcloak ice legendary bird beacuse i missed my discharge

[solid frigate]

because articuno moment (He finally relevant moemnt)

[lofty tartan]

You also need to recognize what put you in a position to lose to a miss.

[autumn vault]

So basically scan what the Niche Pokemon pokemon can do best and try to disrupt it

[lofty tartan]

Stuff like that.

Like when people are all "I LOST TO A CRIT", you see pros thinking about possible crits all the time.

[zinc totem]

oh yes. the 10% chanse miss

[autumn vault]

This meme is relatable, i made it myself

[zinc totem]

yeah and main thing for critting

always move first

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it wasn't that much of a great position if you outright lose to the crit.

[zinc totem]

for better crit chasnse

[lofty tartan]

Like people will blame variance easily and never evaluate what they did that caused that unique position.

"Omg I got burned by Sacred Fire and now I lose"

My brother in Christ, it has a 50% burn chance.

[zinc totem]

Yeah. I rarely get burned by that beacuse i make sure use protect if my pokemon need bit more time to deal with ho-oh or enteii for setup

[autumn vault]

Honestly, sacred fire burns are less common to me then normal

It feels like a 20% chance to burn

[daring pumice]

Scald feels higher

[zinc totem]

Thats when i try use it

[daring pumice]

I’ve had suicune hit 3 burns in 3 turns

[zinc totem]

But when opponent uses it: ofc it burns on first hit

[lofty tartan]

This is use-case, really. Playing fifteen games doesn't really give you a broad picture of percentage-based secondary effects. You need a large control group.

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik that, RNG is called Random Number Generator for a reason

[bold geode]

[autumn vault]

Sacred Fire burns should be a coin flip

Since its a 50/50

But there are people luckier than others

[bold geode]

What did I come into now

[autumn vault]

And the burns barely ever happen to me, wether it is receiving it or using it myself

Barely ever happens in my matches against an Entei/Ho-Oh

[lofty tartan]

I'm aware of what RNG means lol. A generator is something you use to come up with randomized numbers.

Using RNG to refer to a burn chance is less on the NG part.

Just call it variance.

[chrome knot]

Electric Generator

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155169167

Terapagos is truly a miracle

[chrome knot]

what an aids team why is smeargle muk allowed

like nobody is learning from this

[molten oasis]

That hurt to watch

[solid frigate]

and i am shocked its in Mid ladder-

[chrome knot]

i skipped through every turn

idk why u didnt sleep muk t1 lmao

[solid frigate]

at least i beat it with Terapagos

but man Terapagos just fucking wake up and commit Violence

[molten oasis]

Why did you leave that smeargle on the field that long

[solid frigate]

i just don't want Power of Alchemy activate

[molten oasis]

It was gonna happen anyway

[solid frigate]

fair

[molten oasis]

You also just let it get a decorate off

[solid frigate]

but thank god the Tera Starstorms lands but still

i get it

[molten oasis]

Idk personally, I do run a Mon that doesn’t give a shit about that whole archetype but I like removing smeargle early

[solid frigate]

fair

[molten oasis]

You can kinda force it into a position where it’s the last thing on the field especially if it’s psych up caly/mewtwo in this case

[autumn vault]

Personally what i do is kill smeargle and land the taunt on A-Muk, ignore it while i kill a team member and then focus down on it

The taunt i can use Cloak, Tera ghost to assist incase of FO

[solid frigate]

i mean

Its my urshifu and its Tera Water-

[molten oasis]

Kill the smeargle

[solid frigate]

i get it

i'll do it next time i fought one

[dull ibex]

hello

[nocturne holly]

👋

[zinc totem]

i'll just taunt bully it

[calm gulch]

where is he

[autumn vault]

He's gone

And ik for a fact you want to say #BullyMonke #MonkeASMR

[plain drum]

😭

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-2155225728 H-Arc sweep

[calm gulch]

i’m proud of you

[autumn vault]

: D

[bold geode]

[abstract grail]

I wanna try and build another theme team for some team building practice what's a fun theme to do

[chrome knot]

the meta theme

[abstract grail]

Bro is not contributing

[chrome knot]

using teams that have functionality will help you actually learn

on why pieces were picked, purpose, strengths to weaknesses and how they create the core theyre in

[bold geode]

Real shit

[nocturne holly]

type shi

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155266186-cwwv2qhz8xrr8ow2zhr0d68m7ql34h5pw

bo1 players are silly

[solid frigate]

ok what Tera Electric Calyrex Ice Again-

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155271841-evhw2aj2yj7voh0hs87yuvcur77aarzpw

what about coil hypnosis milotic

[solid frigate]

ok coil i can see it but Hypnosis-

[chrome knot]

hypnosis I can see but why coil

[solid frigate]

Coil is for the defense Boost and accuracy Boost

which is used in SWSH i think

[chrome knot]

yeah my scald ice beam recover

[solid frigate]

glad it still got scald

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/eb25728e20b06e8a
or
https://pokepast.es/9f00843a06bee458
which one looks better

[molten oasis]

Oh btw happy 4th of July

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[chrome iron]

Do you guys think we should give bad Pokemon frosmoth treatment and give bad Pokemon really op abilities

[dapper crag]

Yes 😂, that would be so funny

[chrome iron]

Stunfisk just flops around and doubles it's speed

[dapper crag]

lol that would be epic

[chrome iron]

It barely hits harder than a Charmeleon but it would be funny

[dapper crag]

Fr

[chrome iron]

I have a stunfisk named Mr Pancake

[dapper crag]

Perfect name

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have a booster bolt spread

[mighty stump]

could honestly go the same shit as AV lol thats what ive been doing

since I don’t need to invest in Spdef with AV

otherwise if theres something specific you wanna live

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

I might see if I can live an astral barrage

but I don’t really do much in return

[mighty stump]

you just need Tbolt to bring into range tclap

[graceful flare]

Have yall thought of using eviolite torrocat instead of incin

[nocturne holly]

Yea thxxx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dapper crag]

I have never though of that

[graceful flare]

Would it be good

[dapper crag]

I honestly don’t know but, it does seem interesting.

[lofty tartan]

It would have less bulk than Incineroar.

[molten oasis]

It would be worse than incin by a mile

[dapper crag]

Incineroar is just better in every single aspect.

[bold geode]

Not the Torracat

[dapper crag]

Imagine seeing evolite torracat 😂

In ranked masters double battles

[mighty stump]

Its meh

Its nice to be faster than Incineroar

So if you want tbose faster pshots

[dapper crag]

That’s fair

[mighty stump]

losing out the dark typing + knock off i think feels more meh since its the more relevant coverage atm

[dapper crag]

Yeah

And being immune to taunt with incinroar

[molten oasis]

Oh, right most of the starters don’t get their secondary typing until their final stages

[dapper crag]

Yep

[bold geode]

Y'all still sleeping on the Top

[plain drum]

[patent marsh]

*Prankster taunts

Taunts from like flutters still work

[dapper crag]

Damnit I forgot, thank you for the reminder

[gentle crag]

superfrankyj.j17 has given 1 Gen Rep to kumicharizard

[foggy lodge]

It would be funny but is just a worst Inci

Eviolite Torracat is better than a lot of starters lol

[hollow vessel]

YO

So this is the first time I am building a actual team

for Competetive

and I had to remake the calcs for the stats of my Ogerpon

this is the old one lvl 100

New one whit the lvl cap

50

did I do this right?

[next stump]

Are you playing VGC?

(double battles)

[hollow vessel]

My goal is Master Rank what do you think I am playing

[chrome knot]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT(!!)

[hollow vessel]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

The set is very confused.

[hollow vessel]

I asked a friend to help whit some changes

[lofty tartan]

That friend steered you wrong.

Like steered your bus into a tree.

[hollow vessel]

the team is not that usual to be honest

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[balmy glen]

as someone who likes to cook

I don’t think that’s cooking my brother

[chrome knot]

keanu hello

[balmy glen]

Hihi

[chrome knot]

hru gamer

[hollow vessel]

Ogepon
Hisuian Goodra
Hisuian Arcanine
Garvantula
Flutter Mane
Toxapex

[lofty tartan]

It's like ramen but when you forget the flavor packet and don't cook it long enough for the noodles to soften.

[hollow vessel]

that's the team

pls do not judge it yet I still need to test it more

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't bother testing that Ogerpon set. It likely won't go well.

[hollow vessel]

just give some help whit the stats

[hollow vessel]

like to be honest I was thinking about changing Sunny Day to Spiky Shield

[lofty tartan]

The stats - not really much to help with. You went max/max attack and speed on Sturdy. Seems appropriate.

The set is a mess.

Like just plain bad. I'm really sorry, but sometimes it's better just to rip that bandaid off.

[hollow vessel]

no it's fine

[balmy glen]

Brother he has power whip and sunny day on oger the ramen is overcooked and black by now

[hollow vessel]

I want to improve

so that's what I need

[lofty tartan]

Frankly it's really safe to run standard Ogerpon sets.

[hollow vessel]

let me get the full team whit the changes he made

[balmy glen]

Tbh anything could make it to masterball if u play it right but like

[lofty tartan]

Ivy Cudgel, Wood Hammer or Horn Leech/Follow Me/Spiky Shield.

[balmy glen]

would be much faster if you just used solid stuff

[lofty tartan]

Some do opt for Power Whip.

[lofty tartan]

This isn't incorrect and neither is the following statement. Using whacky sets is just going to make things more difficult while giving you a momentary element of surprise that may or may not actually matter at all.

[solid frigate]

usually is Wood Hammer,but if its Cornerstone,Horn Leech is Safer

[hollow vessel]

Ok here it is

Whit all the changes HE made

[lofty tartan]

These look like Singles sets.

[hollow vessel]

I asked him for help beacuse I was not that good on most of the stuff

[hollow vessel]

I am sorry bro

[lofty tartan]

There is a criminal absence of protect on this team

[solid frigate]

also like

Just like what Treeco said

Whats with People and Hisuian Goodra

[hollow vessel]

I just asked him for help

[hollow vessel]

I know ok
I noticed it

But I don't know man I just trusted him

[solid frigate]

just asking,whos him btw

[lofty tartan]

I'm just giving asked-for criticism, yo. Much better than patting your back and telling you it's cool.

Dude-man did you dirty.

[hollow vessel]

No one famous or known he is from another server
He just liked Pokemon too and I asked him for some help

[lofty tartan]

But yeah, these are absolutely singles sets. Harcanine with Stealth Rock.

[hollow vessel]

I know I am grateful for that

[solid frigate]

yea you got ruined by a singles player

[hollow vessel]

ah man :/

what should I do then

[dapper crag]

Do not ask that man for any advice no offense

[hollow vessel]

I like the team itself

[balmy glen]

Good hbu

[hollow vessel]

ok sounds correct I guess

[lofty tartan]

Galvantula is a very poor pick. He doesn't fill any role that almost any other electric mon can't fill better.

[dapper crag]

Like most of them said he steered you into the wrong direction.

[hollow vessel]

I just wanted to use him to be honest

[lofty tartan]

Right now, VGC format rules are Regulation G - which means you are allowed ONE (1) Restricted Legendary per team.

Rolling with zero is a massive handicap

[hollow vessel]

Ogerpon is not a Restricted Legendary?

I didn't check the list

[lofty tartan]

It is not.

[hollow vessel]

yet

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 HP / 124 Def / 100 SpA / 52 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect

Usually Flutter Mane rn using a Support Set in this Regulation, Can survive Chi Yu's Overheat and Groudon's Precipice Blades

[hollow vessel]

Dazzling Gleam would not be better in doubles?

Oh and thanks

[solid frigate]

nah Damage Nerf and wide guard exists literally everywhere

[dapper crag]

Man flutter main has evolved so much throughout the regulations lol.

[hollow vessel]

Ok thanks
Let me save it on Showdown

[gentle crag]

spark8441 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[lofty tartan]

Dazzling Gleam is usually fine but in this format, Wide Guard is extremely prominent.

[solid frigate]

what can we say? its Movepool is deep

[lofty tartan]

And all spread moves get a damage reduction when hitting multiple targets.

[solid frigate]

where tf is Ivy Cudgel-

[lofty tartan]

Man. Playing Shiliang's team right now on ladder and I have to say, revisting Wo-Chien has been fun

[hollow vessel]

wha

Oh ye

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[lofty tartan]

Ivy Cudgel. Ogerpon's signature move.