competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Emma....

[chrome knot]

what

[bold geode]

Hi

[chrome knot]

noo

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

[timber falcon]

this is gonna be fun

[molten oasis]

[zinc totem]

ah yes mega stall

[timber falcon]

im so cooked

[molten oasis]

We like to party popped up on my smart shuffle and now all I can see is the memes all over TikTok rn lol

If Yk yk

[polar canyon]

What is your team tho

[timber falcon]

in the making

[polar canyon]

I see ray and I see chi yu for zama

But like ehh

[molten oasis]

Unsure on the ice rider mu but incins too shallow so

[foggy lodge]

I will try to make the speedrun to master ball tier today

With the Zama team

[autumn vault]

You know OTOT, you can try bulky ray and max speed ray and choose which one you prefer

[timber falcon]

i meant as a pick.

[polar canyon]

Well since you have an open slot and chi yu might as well slap on a flutter

[autumn vault]

I just heavily dislike max speed

[molten oasis]

why

I need to lay out why incins good for you

[timber falcon]

cause idk if it will synergise well with the rest of the team yet. I know the pros

[polar canyon]

I thought that one was a given

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t have to synergise with the team

[polar canyon]

Someone should write out why incin is good and have it be a pinned message in this chat

[timber falcon]

im tryna figure out if something else gives me better pros

[polar canyon]

Incin kinda inherently synergizes with any team

[foggy lodge]

I think this are the final spreads https://pokepast.es/32fe555933ff51e2

[timber falcon]

cause theres a wide range

of options for this MU

[molten oasis]

…what are you weak to

If you say ice rider I’m throwing the same fucking option at your face

[timber falcon]

not that confident into zama either

or miraidon

[polar canyon]

The goltres GOAT-res

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss Yw

[polar canyon]

Amoonguss you're welcome

[timber falcon]

hm

[molten oasis]

Is that or incin, or rilla

[polar canyon]

Reminds me I still need to finish a team

I'm too lazy and sick to use my brain logically rn

[molten oasis]

Interesting

[polar canyon]

And decide between bulky or offensive torn

And an urshifu non scarf set

[molten oasis]

Bulky goggles ursh yk

Or sash also works

[polar canyon]

What I'm thinking but idk spreads for that

[timber falcon]

ok ok

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/25abb1ef9f635eaa what I have rn

[timber falcon]

so to make the team look clear ive removed whimsicott, wasnt doing much

[molten oasis]

Live most or all tclaps and outspeed max speed jolly incin

[timber falcon]

and i needed more mons forcertain Mus

[molten oasis]

Then attack dump

[polar canyon]

Do you have that ready or do I like make that from scratch

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

My bad this are the final spreads lol https://pokepast.es/1ac3ab45dccb54f2

[polar canyon]

I'm happy with my pagos spread I made myself

[timber falcon]

which mons can i used to help against zama core

[foggy lodge]

Volcarona

[timber falcon]

nvm

[polar canyon]

I'm gonna start noting down my spreads in the notes app so I can take notes in calcs

[timber falcon]

forgot why i had eletabuzz

[polar canyon]

Since I often forget what I did a calc for

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/128add5b98e1ed46 went back to the beggining since stuff was getting messed up from the original team and i lost track of what i had to keep track of

[polar canyon]

Would it not be interesting to have speed on electabuzz for electroweb since it's actually somewhat fast

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 125: Electabuzz

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/83/57/95/85/105

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

first off, id like to acknowledge the lack of ways to get past flutter dgleam

[timber falcon]

might aswell be faster than peli

[molten oasis]

Riptide (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 108 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 180 SpD / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Taunt
• Detect

Lives all tclaps w/out boosting moves

[polar canyon]

Cool name

[timber falcon]

interesting

[molten oasis]

Outspeeds jolly incin

Second attack bump

[polar canyon]

Nice nice thanks

[bold geode]

That Rayquaza look awful

[timber falcon]

lmao

[molten oasis]

You’re so right

[polar canyon]

That ray almost looks like a singles set

[timber falcon]

where should i improve then

[polar canyon]

Replace amulet with boots and protect with eq

[molten oasis]

If you have taunt btw on something else

[polar canyon]

Then it's a fine set for singles Ubers

[molten oasis]

You can run aqua jet

[bold geode]

You can forget max attack
Hell you're usually playing a slower game with it setting up anyways so you wanna put more in bulk

[molten oasis]

Or if you wanna get ballsy run SD

[bold geode]

Can go first or second bump in attack depending on what you wanna live

[timber falcon]

the problem is idk exactly where id put the bulk

[molten oasis]

The third slot is open to whatever

[timber falcon]

its calced to live 116 flutter moonblast by lyco alrdy

[polar canyon]

Nope taunt is actually appreciated

Thanks for the set

[bold geode]

Mostly HP/Spdef

[timber falcon]

why spdef?

[polar canyon]

Saving it to the notes app sets

[bold geode]

Most of the physical attackers that threaten Ray you're already hitting tera against cuz they're Ice type

[timber falcon]

ok

[molten oasis]

Ok

If you’re running this you need answers for bolt/flutter

[bold geode]

You can go higher honestly

[molten oasis]

I am comfortable running this because I have a zacian

[bold geode]

Rayquaza @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Air Lock
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 204 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 36 SpD / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Dragon Ascent
• Swords Dance
• Protect

[timber falcon]

any calcs for the set?

[bold geode]

This one I believe 1/16 roll max spatk Moonblast from speed booster Flutter no specs
Actually calcs are in the blogpost in my rental

But yeah you're always playing a slower game anyways lol like

[timber falcon]

im wondering if the specs flutter moonblast is relevant enough

especially max

[autumn vault]

I told you before

[nocturne holly]

i dont think max is

[timber falcon]

he wanted more

[bold geode]

Just wanted to solidify like
Sun MUs

[autumn vault]

116 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 148 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza: 168-198 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

Like also realize that like Tofu does with some stuff
I do umbrella calcs

[timber falcon]

air locke?

[bold geode]

Specs Flutter still hurts lol

[timber falcon]

oh i see, so youll live anything weaker

Rayquaza @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Air Lock
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Ascent
• Extreme Speed
• Swords Dance
• Protect

but im thinking bulkier-

idk why i never looked at the attack stat before, it hits hard naturally

[nocturne holly]

anyone have an amoonguss spread

[bold geode]

No problem with going bulkier
I just did less to go for second attack bump so in board states where it was needed more to attack vs set up I could still do damage

Little healthy mix

[autumn vault]

Thats making my brain rot

I prefer my set

[timber falcon]

theres nothing inherently wrong?

[autumn vault]

Just too much bulk

[bold geode]

But bulkier isn't inherently wrong
You just wanna set up more

[autumn vault]

Also the speed is 8 evs more than mine

[bold geode]

Spreads can be different?

[autumn vault]

Just a difference

[timber falcon]

i hit hard af i realised anyways, and the plan is swords dance

[autumn vault]

Not meant to offend anyone

[timber falcon]

"Thats making my brain rot"

anyways

im getting sick of miraidon and wanna run rhyperior

[dapper crag]

Ability: Surge Surfer

If Electric Terrain is active, this Pokemon's Speed is doubled.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

anyone have an av rilla spread??

[timber falcon]

nvm not when shifu is 50%

[bold geode]

Honestly the brain already had flies around it

[autumn vault]

You can run Raichu instead

And you still get FO, Endeavor, Pivot power

[timber falcon]

at the end of the day though

something that can outspeed it will do

since i got electabuzz

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/4881db8bad0402da would rilla be better over amoonguss here?

[timber falcon]

i think moongus is nice there

[nocturne holly]

thoughts on a last member tho

im stuck on what to do for it

i tried bolt and it didnt feel that good

[timber falcon]

i got no clue for zacian

[next stump]

could honestly do either, could also try both

Pao in the 6th slot is nice

but would require a different peli item

Umbreon can also serve as a caly answer

[nocturne holly]

woah whaatt

ima try umbreon

it has such a good moveset

[nocturne holly]

what does umbreon do other than be bulky to caly

[next stump]

inner focus being immune to fake out cycling, STAB foul play for Caly-I, yawn to disrupt

snarl is cool too for Caly-S depending on their team but usually just forces their tera and that’s it, doesn’t solo it

[timber falcon]

thoughts on mamoswine?

[chrome knot]

what u playin nowadays dillon

[nocturne holly]

thats coool

[next stump]

going to spend the next week or so just playing super standard caly-I

peli rillaboom version

[chrome knot]

patcon variant

yippie

[molten oasis]

Umbreon is a really nice zacian partner

[chrome knot]

ill pm u what i got goin on rn, I touched up cir a bit with neil and made a kinda funny variant

[nocturne holly]

its so bulky too
130 sp def and 110 def is insane

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna adapt the chien pao for now

[nocturne holly]

umbreon is so disruptive with yawn and snarl

taunt is also quite nice

sitrus or goggles on umbreon

[next stump]

goggles

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 197: Umbreon

Type

Dark

Abilities

Synchronize, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/65/110/60/130/65

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

goggles is on incin so if i do it then i either give incin sitrus or av

[molten oasis]

I think it’s usually incin or umbreon

So maybe add smth else?

Like 2 dark types isn’t a bad thing but incin and umbreon have semi similar roles

https://pokepast.es/6873b95eddf24ff5 I’m gonna rock this for a while see how it does into CSR

[nocturne holly]

did tera normal ditto not work

[foggy lodge]

I miss Togekiss

I wonder how Togekiss would do in this meta

[willow vault]

Wouldn’t Tera stellar make more sense?

[molten oasis]

Ditto is really hard to position with a zacian so I opted against it

[molten oasis]

You can’t transform if you use stellar

[nocturne holly]

tera stellar can glitch out ditto

[willow vault]

Oh, why?

If it did work then stellar Tera feels like it would make the most sense

[spiral pawn]

Can someone play doubles with me? I need to test some of my teams.

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/038b7d8c8ea95f72 this is what im working with rn

umbreon seems good so far

ima try rilla over amoonguss and see what performs beter

[spiral pawn]

Doubles?

[nocturne holly]

*better

[willow vault]

Seems solid

[nocturne holly]

yea

[spiral pawn]

Everything is fine except from the fact you don’t have many attacking pokemon. You could make inciniroar a assault vest set

[nocturne holly]

set up zac and scarfshifu is like so much damage

im trying rilla so that might add more damage

[spiral pawn]

Also you should make Zacian EVs 252atk 252speed

[spiral pawn]

It’s not a problem you won’t do enough damage, it’s a problem you don’t have enough coverage

[nocturne holly]

it hits 209 which outspeeds base 135s

which all zacian is going to outspeed rest can go into bulk

[spiral pawn]

Fine, but umbreon has to be replaced by an attacking pokemon

[nocturne holly]

no?

[spiral pawn]

Otherwise not enough coverage

[nocturne holly]

the whole point of the team is to set up zac so it can take care of stuff

steel resists both zac stabs but shifu takes care of that

fire too but shifu also takes care of that

[spiral pawn]

Fine, but what if you go against a bulky water type ie, a kyogre

[next stump]

Gliscor got 1st place this ranked season?!?!

[molten oasis]

My old zac spread is heat

[nocturne holly]

real

[spiral pawn]

Nice

[molten oasis]

This format is crazy

[nocturne holly]

rilla
or if im using amoonguss incin and umbreon can mitigate its damage and amoonguss can put it to sleep

[molten oasis]

Zac chunks kyogre

[nocturne holly]

i forgot gliscor even existed

[molten oasis]

Or it can at least

Urshifu also gets a boost so you can SS into it

[nocturne holly]

ye

[spiral pawn]

Still a little of work when you could easily use a rilla, or raging bolt

[molten oasis]

Does anyone here run CSR, id like some mu practice sometime

[spiral pawn]

Something like this would work wonders

https://pokepast.es/a7be70afcff85274

Weather Ball works well with drizzle peliper

[nocturne holly]

it doesnt really help the csr mu tho

i chose wide guard over weather ball bcuz csr cant hit zacian with wideguard pelipper

[spiral pawn]

No as in weather ball on raging bolt, actually look at the pokepaste

[nocturne holly]

mb

[spiral pawn]

Np

[nocturne holly]

i tried bolt on the team and didnt really like it, might try it again

[spiral pawn]

Raging bolt is good on that team, it just takes time to learn it

[nocturne holly]

i know how to play bolt

[spiral pawn]

It takes time to learn it on certain teams

Anyway, have a nice day 👍

[nocturne holly]

you too

[timber falcon]

what item does dengo normally run

[molten oasis]

Metal coat or lefties

[timber falcon]

thanks, btw do you have that spread for it?

somehow lost it

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 204 HP / 60 Def / 116 SpA / 36 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

[timber falcon]

thanks

interesting

[foggy lodge]

wtf why is it upside down

ok thanks

[next stump]

is that current season or last season's final placement?

[bold geode]

Oh new season out?

[foggy lodge]

Current season

I just speedran it

[nocturne holly]

bo3 anyone?

[zinc totem]

is rocky helmet valid on farigiraf? or throat spray is still better even if no spa ev investment

[nocturne holly]

rocky helmet is good

i dont think throat spray benefits fari a lot if you don't have any sp atk because then youre playing more of a supportung role

[zinc totem]

yeah. my fari has d gleam, hyper voice, prot and helping hand

[foggy lodge]

Me

In game or showdown?

[nocturne holly]

showdown

[autumn vault]

I prefer Helmet over spray

[zinc totem]

yeah, i was thinking helmet could be better beacuse rapid strike urshifus that it survives too

[nocturne holly]

showdown user?

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-hendry-wrestling-believe-tna-wwe-gif-9317925388469707358

[foggy lodge]

Are you still there?

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen this team is goat

LMAO its so funnnnn

[nocturne holly]

Gimme 5 min

[foggy lodge]

Sure

[nocturne holly]

alr ready user?

[foggy lodge]

JuliHD

[nocturne holly]

sent

[nocturne holly]

gg

umbreon put in so much work

[foggy lodge]

ggs

[foggy lodge]

It ruined all my gameplan xd

Good adaptation to not show it until game 3

[nocturne holly]

volc is hella scary

[foggy lodge]

It helps a lot

[nocturne holly]

wisp and it being decently fast is not fun

[foggy lodge]

I replaced Latios with Volcarona to help with Caly-Ice and Zama match up

Now i know it works for Zacian too aidkkfkf

[nocturne holly]

fr

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 637: Volcarona

Types

Bug/Fire

Abilities

Flame Body, Swarm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/65/135/105/100

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Volcarona's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Bug Bite, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Flare Blitz, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Leech Life, Lunge, Poison Jab, Pounce, Return, Secret Power, Skitter Smack, Take Down, Thrash, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Absorb, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Ember, Fiery Dance, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Giga Drain, Gust, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mystical Fire, Overheat, Psychic, Round, Signal Beam, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Harden, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Morning Sun, Protect, Quiver Dance, Rage Powder, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Whirlwind, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Volcarona.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[foggy lodge]

I'm not sure what damaging move use on Volc

[dapper crag]

Move: Bug Buzz

Has a 10% chance to lower the target's Special Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Bug

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[foggy lodge]

Because fire is a bit inconsistent due to Pelipper also being on the team

[nocturne holly]

mhm yea

[foggy lodge]

But i'm not sure if i really want the bug type coverage xd

[nocturne holly]

yea thats what i was thinking

without pelipper fire would def be better you could also fish for burns through flame

[foggy lodge]

It helps with mons like Farigiraf and Indeedee atleast

And i considered struggle bug but then it lacks of offense

[nocturne holly]

yea i think bug buzz is fine

how bulky is your volc

whats it calced for

[foggy lodge]

+1 236+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Tera Water Volcarona: 73-87 (38 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

196+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Volcarona in Sun: 147-174 (76.5 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mainly for physical attackers but it still lives a 252 modest pelipper hurricane

[molten oasis]

volc has high spD that makes sense

[foggy lodge]

252+ Atk Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Volcarona on a critical hit: 142-168 (73.9 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[nocturne holly]

thats good

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu dark has also been a problem for the team

So i calced that too

[dapper crag]

Item: Adamant Crystal

If held by a Dialga, its Steel- and Dragon-type attacks have 1.2x power.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Move: Barb Barrage

Has a 50% chance to poison the target. Power doubles if the target is already poisoned.

Type

Poison

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

annoying ass mvoee

[next stump]

https://x.com/yoko_clover/status/1807888292874183092?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

yoooo huge for the asian region players

ヨウコ/yoko (@yoko_clover) on X

I received the revised answer from TPCi support.

Players in Asia CAN earn the Worlds invite from IC or Regional win from 2025 season.

Really!? It's very very surprising change.

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 9:25 PM

[nocturne holly]

That’s so good

[minor panther]

guys what if we got a shuckle evolution that trades defense and sp.def for one of the attacking stats and speed

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 213: Shuckle

Types

Bug/Rock

Abilities

Sturdy, Gluttony, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

20/10/230/10/230/5

Total

505

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

That’d also create eviolite shuckle

[minor panther]

im fully aware of this

(it would be very funny)

[minor panther]

theoretical shuckle evo vs eviolite shuckle
(unstoppable force vs immovable object)

[bold geode]

Aight fuckers what's happening today

[nocturne holly]

Umbreon is fucking goated

[bold geode]

Umbreon alright

[minor panther]

i suggested a shuckle evolution that swaps the two defense stats for one of the attack stats and the speed stat

basically making deoxys attack but on steroids

[bold geode]

Why? You want a frail Shuckle? I don't think Shuckle ever been good anyways besides the Chansey shit

[minor panther]

this also opens the possibility of eviolite shuckle

[nocturne holly]

nah it’s better

[minor panther]

bug type is best type

[bold geode]

No it ain't

[minor panther]

yeah it is

[bold geode]

Nah

[minor panther]

yeah

[solid frigate]

bro trying to become Youngster Joey

[silver ravine]

Explosion and final gambit are cringe

[minor panther]

do you mean.. the bug catchers??

youngster joey is a singular rattata

[solid frigate]

nah its only cringe when you are not the one using it

[minor panther]

or raticate

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[minor panther]

im going to send you to gen 1 competitive
and force you to use no normal types

[silver ravine]

Worse yet he teraed normal with a tatsugiri that had endured. Icing on the cake was it had a toxic orb. So in comes donbozo then flamingo after tatsu went down

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys-Attack

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/180/20/180/20/150

Total

600

Base Species

Deoxys

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[calm gulch]

you’re so right, dont listen to anything monke says

[polar canyon]

Y'all what do people try to live with bulky torn in reg g

[molten oasis]

It’s fine

It’s not the best

But I like it

[nocturne holly]

that’s where you’re wrong

[nocturne holly]

I think shifu and neutral astral barrage

I think it can live a +1 actually

[molten oasis]

I’ve used it

It’s not the next big meta thing it’s more a nice Mon for zacian

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-gif-18399658447366638577

[nocturne holly]

Nuh uh

wish it had a better ability
being immune to fake out is still really nice tho

it has such a good movepool tho

[dapper crag]

Umbreon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Covet, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Feint Attack, Flail, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Lash Out, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Payback, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dark Pulse, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Synchronoise, Tera Blast, Trump Card, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Focus Energy, Growl, Guard Swap, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Mean Look, Mimic, Moonlight, Nightmare, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Scary Face, Screech, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tail Whip, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Umbreon.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yawn, snarl, foul play, taunt, screens, toxic,

[molten oasis]

simp

[nocturne holly]

nah

it’s just so gooood

[bold geode]

Shrimp

[molten oasis]

simp

[calm gulch]

so true

chad umbreon enjoyer

[nocturne holly]

Fr you have no biases right

[nocturne holly]

Are you still running Tera dragon

Zac

I’m thinking of switching to either fire or fairy

[next stump]

holy japan

[molten oasis]

ATM yes

[molten oasis]

Why

[nocturne holly]

Fire for burns

fairy for play rough

I guess getting one swords dance off already negates the burn

[molten oasis]

Taunt the wisp guy

Or kill the wisp guy

Fairy sure if you want offensive

[strange fjord]

what if you wisp the wisp guy

[polar canyon]

Send more comp pokemon memes I love those

[mighty stump]

Is thAt Fling

[strange fjord]

does this count

[next stump]

Endeavor

[molten oasis]

You want to boost the move that misses?

Ik that’s what just won a tournament but I still don’t agree with it

[strange fjord]

knock off, endeavor, follow me and super fang?

i think

[nocturne holly]

What is sentret doing there😭

[strange fjord]

with sash

https://www.munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regg/1760/Sentret

[graceful flare]

Is Origin pulse 100 accurate in rain

[dapper crag]

Move: Water Spout

Power is equal to (user's current HP * 150 / user's maximum HP), rounded down, but not less than 1.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

150

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[strange fjord]

no

[graceful flare]

That's kinda racist then tbh

Is kyogre good bc I got a shiny one and tryna use it

[zinc totem]

https://x.com/8989takoyaki/status/1807694695151411412?s=46&t=dMZmrGVKUvb5crowE_pe3A twitter people are on it

たこやき (@8989takoyaki) on X

ランクマシーズン19ダブル、最終58位でした！
オタチを最終2桁まで連れてくることができて嬉しいです！！

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 8:36 AM

[molten oasis]

Wack team

[zinc totem]

and i think its pretty high placement

[strange fjord]

yeah i think so, but its early month so kinda hard to gauge placement

[zinc totem]

haha yeah true

but that is pretty wack spice one

[next stump]

that was their end of month placement

99% sure

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153421124-jw988gg9ji5z93f4cnona6pi0zgcplzpw

@next stump pokemon thief😭

this gonna be my season opener team tbh

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/4259d035b3ace7ad are umbreon and incin on the same team ok

i feel i need both

[chrome knot]

ur pelipper set sucks

hurricane
weather ball
wide guard
protect/helping hand/tailwind

[molten oasis]

Damn just straight up ass lol

Oh, yea you need weather ball

[molten oasis]

If you feel that way then it’s probably fine

[nocturne holly]

pelipper w/o weather ball is fine for me rn

[molten oasis]

Run weather ball

If you’re sash I’d keep protect but tw is also fine

[nocturne holly]

over what

[chrome knot]

protect or tailwind

[little plank]

Am I missing something? I feel like he still had a really good shot at winning this. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153552325-973bs4xsetx3qnbc84ov7o8618uslzwpw

[chrome knot]

why did he bring comfey

[nocturne holly]

Is pikalytics team builder based on usage rates

My friends tryna use it and it’s recommending him a restricted when he already has one 😭

[molten oasis]

No

Well yes but it’s innacurate

Use munchstats

[mighty stump]

the teambuilder sucks its not even updated

[rustic mountain]

didnt jeudy post this on twitter

[rustic mountain]

pikalytics kinda fell off

i never used teambuilder but even like useage stats and wat not is super delayed

[mighty stump]

Yeah I mean I understand if they watned to wait a month to get the data from HOME as well and whatnot for the Switch since that is a significant aspect that others don't provide but like

This is egregious

[rustic mountain]

yea thats wat im saying

i understand compiling sufficient data, it just feels like too long now

didnt used to be afaik

[nocturne holly]

I figured 😭

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

Yes?

[chrome knot]

haii

[mighty stump]

hai

[chrome knot]

hru

[mighty stump]

tired

haha

Lmao

[chrome knot]

holy fuck

[mighty stump]

Bulky Kyogre btw

Its the AV stuf

[nocturne holly]

was the kyogre terad

[chrome knot]

i been using ditto today

[nocturne holly]

That’s crazy

[mighty stump]

holy fuck

bro

[nocturne holly]

?

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153576819-cuusxsxpr09i8o9v1mgftmuo0eb6skopw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153578014-80vat3e5910sid3psvaxk0um7a717l5pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153578608-3m1zln34czwmur9d2h8na3vwvwd5e6mpw

After I figured out what to do H-Arc just ate wtf

@chrome knot u gotta see it

[chrome knot]

i shall watch

[rustic mountain]

damn harc put in work

[balmy glen]

Harc has always been good but I usually on run it on my tailwind teams

[mighty stump]

Aight

Ik what to do

https://pokepast.es/9447d76d0f6b9791 selection check

[strange fjord]

perhaps (yes)

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

its been pretty nonexistent since reg g has started

[molten oasis]

The iron boulder comeback?

[mighty stump]

idk I was jst looking at fast rock types

lol

[foggy lodge]

Thought on AV Entei? Or AV Inci with snarl would just be better?

[mighty stump]

Do you need FO

and Intim

Or do you want something more offensive

[foggy lodge]

For something like this? https://pokepast.es/b345bd60c0d41d3d

[mighty stump]

Like personally idk aboutt Snarl since CSR mainly runs Covert Cloak

so Snarl would preferrably be with Incin

Since you can Knock Off

Try either, I think Id want Goggles on either as well, since havjng sth that can deal with CIR is pretty key for Koraidon

[molten oasis]

That’s fair, guess the options are that and cornerstone

Bruh it didn’t reply

[foggy lodge]

Yeah, i'll have to test it

[foggy lodge]

Cornerstone i guess, i thinked about Chi-Yu but idk about double fire and Ogerpon adds the follow me

[mighty stump]

Boulder/Terrakion/H-Arc/Rockpon/Glimmora

[molten oasis]

oh

didn't think about those

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 639: Terrakion

Types

Rock/Fighting

Abilities

Justified

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/129/90/72/90/108

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

its 108? i had no idea it was that fast

[rustic mountain]

ttar whose had a higher placement then those outside rockpon:

[mighty stump]

Yeah but ttar isnt fast lol

I ran Mixed Scarf Ttar when Lando-T was relevant to hit it with Ice Beam

[rustic mountain]

ah tru

mixed ttar

[mighty stump]

They hit me with Intim I hit them with SpA

[autumn vault]

I'm running Tyranitar atm and it's doing good, not amazing or anything but its doing pretty good with Sand, Knock Off and Stone Edge, and we can't forget the weird CIR tyranitar hariyama team thats running around everywhere (thanks James Baek)

[molten oasis]

thats where that came from

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 248: Tyranitar

Types

Rock/Dark

Abilities

Sand Stream, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/134/110/95/100/61

Total

600

Other Formes

Tyranitar-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

usable special attack, interesting

[valid jasper]

Curious if anyone experienced here will look at my team and give me their thoughts about it, first one I’ve built competitively trying to climb the ladder

[mighty stump]

Send a paste

[autumn vault]

This is 1300 elo btw

[willow vault]

Not the supercell slam Miraidon

[graceful flare]

Um what the sigma

Is scarf kyorgre good

[solid frigate]

POV:Someone still Belive Scarf Kyogre is is still good when AV,Mystic Water and Specs are strictly more useful

[graceful flare]

Is urshifu a good add on rain teams

I want to use it but I think it will be hard when kyogre and urshfiu will share the same weakness

[solid frigate]

😑

[graceful flare]

It's a yes or no question

[willow vault]

Yes Urshifu is good on Kyogre teams

[autumn vault]

Both of them are

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus-Therian

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Intimidate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/145/90/105/80/91

Total

600

Base Species

Landorus

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 720: Hoopa-Unbound

Types

Psychic/Dark

Abilities

Magician

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/160/60/170/130/80

Total

680

Base Species

Hoopa

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

Hoopa?

[autumn vault]

Probably for Smogon Singles

Yeah this is Bullshit

[molten oasis]

Wonky stats

[solid frigate]

i mean its a mythical of course it has wonky stats

The only time we did not see Wonky Mythical stats are Zeraora,Magerena and Zarude

[molten oasis]

...no

those are semi normal stats

mixed attacker syndrome

the speed and defense seem like it would hold it back

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump taunt or wisp

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 720: Hoopa

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Magician

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/110/60/150/130/70

Total

600

Other Formes

Hoopa-Unbound

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Ability: Magician

If this Pokemon has no item, it steals the item off a Pokemon it hits with an attack. Does not affect Doom Desire and Future Sight.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

meh

[autumn vault]

The ability and typing holds it back a lot

In singles atleast since U-Turn is super common

And also the low HP, Def and Spe

[mighty stump]

Rn? Taunt if Fast, Wisp if Slow

[chrome knot]

taunt it is ty

[autumn vault]

I got 69

[mighty stump]

Btw Glicko isn't as significant as an immediate metric just in case, cause I notice you used to mention glicko a lot

[graceful flare]

Hoopa megearna and zarude are a few of my favourite pokemon

[autumn vault]

Ik, i just like the 69

[chrome knot]

but my wolfe glicko….

[mighty stump]

lmao

[chrome knot]

draft day tomorrow tofu

[mighty stump]

Exciting eh

haha

[chrome knot]

it’s something to do so yes

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153765221-dxxkjikbsadmvd6px0h1libment3n71pw lmao

[chrome knot]

christ

[mighty stump]

i was not expecting that to KO tbh

[balmy glen]

I wonder who will be on my team

As long as I get the person/the reason I signed up for this tour then I don’t mind

If not then I’m going to be pissed

[next stump]

let’s goooo

[balmy glen]

Did u signup

[next stump]

ye

is there a discord for that league

i never joined anything

[balmy glen]

LMAOO

[mighty stump]

bruh

[balmy glen]

dms 😂

[mighty stump]

I sent it

[balmy glen]

this guy man

[next stump]

appreciate you

[balmy glen]

Is there even a prize for this tour

I kind of just signed up for worlds warmup and vibes

[mighty stump]

I was -1 too

They were running Scarf Lando-I

I was shook but we won

[dapper crag]

Damn that’s impressive

[charred saddle]

0.6%

pog

[polar canyon]

I think this looks nice

I think I'm getting better at this

[dapper crag]

That is looking pretty good

[polar canyon]

I wonder if I should dump the few points left in speed or spatk or calc for something else

[charred saddle]

lately i just like max speed torn tbh

its easier to play around especially if im using taunt

basically ensuring winning speed control against opposing torn

[polar canyon]

That's why I like tera dark covert

Or tera ghost mental herb

[charred saddle]

i mean yeah thats good too

[polar canyon]

I think tera ghost mental might be better

[charred saddle]

then i wouldnt think u care about speed no

[dapper crag]

I think it would better to invest speed in torn, like you said to win speed control against another opposing torn.

[charred saddle]

since like minimal investtment of speed isnt gonna be worth a lot

[polar canyon]

There's probably something I wanna be able to bleakwind first

[charred saddle]

maybe max speed mystic urshifu then

or dark sash shifu

i think like thats one of the easier benchmark then

[polar canyon]

Cant do that with 44 evs lol

[charred saddle]

kek

idk if theres any like good checkpoints again

[mighty stump]

Looks pretty good actually. Good job

[polar canyon]

Thanks

[charred saddle]

kinda. but minimal investment isnt gonna do much. i dont think lots of torn goes for no speed investmeent so like going for 20 speed isnt gonna change much

[dapper crag]

Yeah makes sense

[mighty stump]

Mental Herb can be useful for you in the scenarios if you want to outdo Taunts from other Pranksters/Avoid Encore, but since you have bulk its sometimes pretty safe to just attack with Bleakwind +1 and then TW the following turn

[charred saddle]

bang, saya sidang sabtu ini bang. dan tebak saya sedang apa?

MAIN SHOWDOWN HELL YEAH

[mighty stump]

I mean, might as well.

4 Spe can matter

[dapper crag]

Mental herb can help you a ton in scenarios like that.

[polar canyon]

Dark tera saved me before so I believe in mental herb

[charred saddle]

i mean 4 is like leftvers so ye, but like investing 44 not to hit certain marks is just kinda off and sad

[polar canyon]

Hey it hits 36 speed torn

[dapper crag]

Dark Tera also helps a lot too

[charred saddle]

[polar canyon]

Would be easier to think about if I could find a reg g common speed tiers list

But I can't find that

24 speed in tailwind is faster than booster speed jugulis there we go

[proud musk]

not rlly competitive since i only really battle friends, but im not sure how to finish these teams. Any of yall have any ideas?

Miraidon(Electric/Dragon), Iron Valiant(Fairy/Fighting), Iron Hands(fighting/electric), pincurchin(electric), ???, ???

Iron Boulder(rock psychic), Chi-Yu(Dark/Fire), Garchomp(Ground/Dragon(heavy dice build), ???, ???, ???

[next stump]

I'm assuming it's for single battles?

[polar canyon]

I think I did something on accident because it had 28 speed ivs in the calc

I knew something was off

[polar canyon]

Getting rid of pincurchin is a good first step

[mighty stump]

Just look at usage stats

[polar canyon]

If you already have miraidon

[proud musk]

😔 was hoping to run a electric terrain build for funzies

[proud musk]

fair

[polar canyon]

Electric terrain for funsies is nice

And miraidon is more than enough for that

If your friends are fine with you using miraidon

That fella deals kinda absurd raw damage with choice specs

[mighty stump]

Week 3 of Inkay Games and I have no clue what im gonna do here lol

[polar canyon]

Ok I put 12 speed evs on torn to outspeed booster speed iron jugulis because why not

With the rest I tweaked it a little bit to turn those 6.3% calcs into 0% calcs

I gave chatgpt the list of possible damage values from surging strikes and asked for the real chance of ohko

I think I cooked with this set

Tornadus @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 228 HP / 164 Def / 52 SpA / 52 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Protect
• Rain Dance/Taunt
• Tailwind

[bold geode]

You used ChatGPT for calcs? Wow mfers getting desperate out here

[polar canyon]

Actually ditto is the funniest zama counter
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153830676

[mighty stump]

Bruh

So its not you lol

[polar canyon]

Who's not me

[mighty stump]

Oh I see

Nevermind

According to Monke I thought you did ChatGPT to calc

[polar canyon]

I just used chatgpt to give me the accurate ohko chance to an "approximately 6.3%"

Which was actually like 0.2%

So yeah it was me but not like that

I just gave it the possible surging strikes damage values and asked for the probability of the sum getting to the torn hp stat

[chrome knot]

i want dillon & tofu

if i end up on their team i haby

[polar canyon]

This is too funny I need to share another

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153852132

[polar canyon]

Look I'm using ditto

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/you-did-it-bar-hand-shake-gif-13637708

[timber falcon]

Interesting team

[polar canyon]

It's what I've been working on and I'm happy with it

Gonna probably start building it in game

[chrome knot]

this replay is awful

[polar canyon]

Actually I have to log on to swsh to get my rapid strike shifu

[polar canyon]

What did I do wrong

I can tell lots of things the opponent did wrong

[chrome knot]

if you bother killing pelipper you get to spam tera starstorm

u burnt zam it is useless lmfao

kill the pelipper then tera stellar

[polar canyon]

I mean

Different means to get the same result

I won

[chrome knot]

and if ur opponent didnt misplay every turn…?

I win & ur definitely losing

[polar canyon]

I mean I won that battle

I'm not tryna argue I just wanted to share a funny clip with ditto

[chrome knot]

ditto is funy

[polar canyon]

I looked at burnt +3 zama and then looked at my ditto

And it looked like a good idea

Maybe it wouldn't be an easy win if they didn't spend a turn using wide guard with peli after I already terad a pokemon other than pagos

[misty helm]

If my Pokémon is a bulky attacker with bulk up would it be better to run superpower on it than close combat

[next stump]

what pokemon is it?

[misty helm]

Slither wing

[next stump]

are you playing doubles or singles

superpower is rarely used in doubles cause you'd rather have one massive turn with CC

[misty helm]

Singles

[dapper crag]

Move: Superpower

Lowers the user's Attack and Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

why would you ever consider this over cc

if ur bulking up

[mighty stump]

You really want to retain your offenses

[misty helm]

I mean bulk up would offset the move

[chrome knot]

gonna bulk up BUT im gonna delete all my stats on this one move

[mighty stump]

Yeah but do you not see how that would be a waste

[chrome knot]

when i can keep my +Atk and only lose the +Def

[mighty stump]

If you spend a turn as a resource to set up

and then lose that setup the next turn

You kinda just wasted a turn

without any improvement on your overall situation past a single turn

[misty helm]

Okay so run close combat instead

[mighty stump]

Yeah

The only reason people run Superpower is because they don't have Close Combat

[chrome knot]

or because they are secretly

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/lurantis.gif

[polar canyon]

Love that fella I had a gimmick team with it in gen 8

[autumn vault]

Superpower is mid

Unless it's on Lurantis

[polar canyon]

Back then I was more of a newbie and experimenting to learn the game and have fun with gimmicks

[minor panther]

superpower is just close combat but worse, unless its all you got or you have contrary

[polar canyon]

Screens meowstic with prankster fake tears to both boost lurantis spdef and double damage for leaf storm

The team also had drampa which I like to mention

It wasn't a gimmick I just think drampa is good

Throat spray berserk +2 without setup

[minor panther]

drampa is indubitably based

hes such a silly fella

[polar canyon]

Just a big old nice grandpa

[minor panther]

just ignore the whole arson thing

[polar canyon]

No it's justified arson

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Drampa looks like a pokemon that could get an unexpected new evo like how bisharp and primeape did this gen

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Archaludon became a pseudo legend so why can't drampa right?

[minor panther]

dreadrampa
(great, replaced with a d, replace the normal type with ghost or dark for the "dread" part?)

[polar canyon]

Drampa evolves into the ghost of your dead grandfather

[minor panther]

i made a funny snorlax evo where he just slips into a coma
comalax, even

[polar canyon]

That's just big komala

[minor panther]

exactly

[polar canyon]

I love komala I wish it was good

[minor panther]

we need a komala evo where it becomes like, fighting/grass or something

because komala is so cute

[chrome knot]

“fighting grass”

preferably not give mons the burden of being the worst typing in the world

[minor panther]

well i think the grass part is explainable
i just think fighting fits a komala evo

[minor panther]

have you considered the following
psychic/dark
rock/ice

[chrome knot]

or perhaps normal types stay normal yay!!!

[minor panther]

true

[chrome knot]

neither of those are half as bad tf

[minor panther]

you are.. wrong but ok

[chrome knot]

i am not but ok

[minor panther]

AT LEAST GRASS/FIGHTING HAS RESISTANCES unlike psychic/dark
and rock/ice is just.. horrendous on all fronts

according to wolfe glick, psychic/dark is the 151st worst type combo
and rock/ice is 152nd
153rd is bug/ice, which im not really sure about but i can definitely understand the other two

[chrome knot]

ahh you are just a casual

i understand now

[minor panther]

what-

[mighty stump]

Lol

Normal type is a good type

[autumn vault]

Normal isn't amazing but it's not a bad type

There are pokemon that sometimes run Tera Normal

And always run it

[minor panther]

and there have been actually good grass/fighting types before
the best psychic/dark is hoopa-u (which has insane stats but is stuck in uubl of all things due to its type)
and rock/ice... look you either choose between h-avalugg which wont be doing much as long as theres any special attack in the game, and aurorus is only good for either snow warning or using refrigerate hyper beam, which is kinda funny
thats it

[autumn vault]

Hoopa-U is currently RUBL

[minor panther]

oh wait, in actual gen 9 (i was looking at natdex) hoopa-u is rubl
good lord

[minor panther]

yeah i was looking at the nat-dex tiers not base gen 9

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

The message before that reply explains it

BL is like, the worst place a pokemon could possibly be in

[minor panther]

those stats are comparable to primal groudons except for the defense, yet its stuck in rubl

[autumn vault]

Too good for the tier you're banned in
Too bad for the next one you're legal in

[minor panther]

this is unfortunately true

so many pokemon i like are just.. stuck in bl limbo

[autumn vault]

Yeah

It's quite sad when you think about it

But oh well, we can't do anything about it

[minor panther]

tauros' fall from power is genuinely depressing every time i think about it

he went from the single best ou pokemon to just.. slowly tumbling down the tiers through each gen

[autumn vault]

It was used in OU to counter Chien Pao and Chi-Yu, when they were banned it fell off hard

[minor panther]

wait it was?

[autumn vault]

The Paldean one

The fire and water Tauros

[minor panther]

i dont like paldean tauros very much but im going to take any tauros w i can get honestly

[autumn vault]

Yeah normal Tauros' downfall is deppresing

[minor panther]

like in gen 2 and 3, tauros was still definitely really good, its just forretress and skarmory walled it
then in dp it got to the point where KANGASKHAN was better than it competitively

[mighty stump]

There are always a lot of other considerations when it comes to competitive Pokemon

Relativity is going to always be matched with what's currently good

That's the singular consistent comparison point

[minor panther]

i want a tauros evo where it gets an ability that is "if it KOs with a recharge move, it will not have a recharge turn" basically almost bringing it back to its gen 1 glory, but with even better stats

even if the crit rate isnt the same

...
i may or may not like tauros

[mighty stump]

I don't know if this is the appropriate channel for wishful considerations though

We just have to deal with the dealt hand

[minor panther]

fair enough

anyways, fury cutter agility metronome (item) sharpness tera bug kleavor :)

[mighty stump]

Taking up a team slot + tera and requiring quite a few turns to get going would not hold up well at the moment

The frailty is just undesirable

[minor panther]

true.. but its also just so funny when you actually get it off

because once you get like, two fury cutters off, it just obliterates everything, even quad resists

[balmy glen]

so what your saying is

its useless

[minor panther]

no

[autumn vault]

It is

In VGC it's definitely useless

[mighty stump]

I'm sure it's funny.

[minor panther]

its very much is

[mighty stump]

I don't think it's competitively relevant though...

[minor panther]

it is not

but yknow, hey, i just like to play for fun for the most part

most of my teams are just pokemon i enjoy rather than being competitively viable

[mighty stump]

Understandable, but it might be confusing to other players in the channel whether or not something is going to be for fun or for competitive

[minor panther]

yeah that makes sense

[mighty stump]

Speaking of, Miraidon + H-Arc has been performing ok

[minor panther]

oh yeah, i found an actual (niche) use for emergency exit awhile ago

pretty much, if you get hit by a swap move like u-turn, and you get to half health from that, you will switch but the opponent wont

[chrome knot]

cold

[minor panther]

like i said, its niche, but still could come in handy in some scenarios

[chrome knot]

speak yo shit lmfaoooo

[polar canyon]

Ur dead to volt switch anyways

And u-turn ain't getting golisopod to 50%

[solid frigate]

pago

[minor panther]

well yeah, but my usual golisopod sets tend to run assault vest because why not, it gets completely walled by something like fini or azumarill, but hey

(i dont have something to defend my use of assault vest)

[mighty stump]

I'm pretty sure it gets Smart Strike

[minor panther]

oh it does?

[mighty stump]

I dunno

[polar canyon]

And vest golisopod can take a specs e terrain hadron engine volt switch?

[minor panther]

dang, nah

[mighty stump]

It's not really in this gen

[minor panther]

...
you know with a little bit of wishful thinki-
dies

[autumn vault]

I don't play NatDex but i'm cringing at this

[mighty stump]

Things appear to have picked up in tempo VGC wise

[minor panther]

oh wait, golisopod gets iron head

[mighty stump]

Margin of error feels even smaller

Intim value feels low

Like it's been low but it feels worse now

[polar canyon]

I forgot it's not in I just thought it wasn't used because it's not good

[nocturne holly]

FR intim hasn’t been doing as much as I’d like it to

[autumn vault]

Why is my brain thinking about Rock Head when ik for a fact you always go intimidate?

[minor panther]

am i going insane?? i swear i thought poison jab used to be like 70 power

[polar canyon]

Incineroar value still as high as ever tho

[autumn vault]

Yes, you are

[mighty stump]

Yeah but that's nothing to do with Intim

[minor panther]

well dang

[polar canyon]

I think cross poison is

[minor panther]

yeah i was thinking of cross poison

[mighty stump]

Honestly you can easily go without Incin lol

[polar canyon]

Incin is just good

[autumn vault]

Incin has Fake Out utility

[polar canyon]

I mean 60% of teams go without incin and still win so that makes sense

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Fake Out isn't a band-aid for poor gameplay

You still need to gleam value from it per turn and progress your wincons

[minor panther]

honestly, incineroar in vgc feels like what people think lando-t is in other formats

[mighty stump]

I haven't missed Pivoting either

[polar canyon]

Fake out can be a bandaid for flawed but good gameplay ig?

And also good in general

[mighty stump]

How can gameplay be flawed AND good

[polar canyon]

Good enough

[chrome knot]

what

[polar canyon]

what

[mighty stump]

If you're clicking Fake Out mindlessly for your "good enough" gameplay it just means you don't know what you're doing though

[polar canyon]

I'm not saying I'm doing that

[mighty stump]

No one said you are, but if the shoes fit

Also FO pressure IS good in conjunction with your other options that isn't clicking Fake Out either

[polar canyon]

I've been using fake out rilla at least decently well lately I think

[bold geode]

The Top baby

https://tenor.com/view/hitmontop-spin-cute-gif-24909312

[autumn vault]

I like incineroar for intimidate (even if its value is a bit low), Fake Out, Pivoting, Knock off utility, Taunt and Fire Coverage

[balmy glen]

been testing it also

pretty solid

[autumn vault]

But yeah i'm finding that several teams i use dont use incin

[polar canyon]

Playing rilla against not-so-good miraidon players is always funny

[balmy glen]

not using your 6 at all tho

[bold geode]

Wait so Harc be good rn?

[chrome knot]

ur still on watch

[mighty stump]

Main thing is I wanted a blank canvas to gauge how it does and then go from there

[balmy glen]

in testing so far its solid with mirai and caly ice

[mighty stump]

Agreed

I did it with both

[balmy glen]

its ok on csr

[chrome knot]

on cir where does harc look to hit

[autumn vault]

I haven't tried H-Arc outside of Rock Head CB shenanigans (which was a mistake)

[chrome knot]

assuming its banded headsmash variant

[polar canyon]

On as in with or against?

[balmy glen]

I used it on the weird specs csr team

[mighty stump]

You heavily improve the mirror/punish Incineroar

[chrome knot]

LMAO

[mighty stump]

Rock coverage just good

[balmy glen]

I was also pollen puff spamming

[mighty stump]

Also helps delete Rilla/Amoonguss

[balmy glen]

a mode is pollen puff spamming and clicking flare blitz/head smash LOL

[mighty stump]

Yeah I prefer Amoonguss over Rilla

[autumn vault]

I mean H-Arc has won a few tournaments in Reg E for a reason

[bold geode]

I remember when I used it in late Reg F
Most of the time, I could just Tera Ghost and immediately win against Grass spam

[polar canyon]

Yo it's rock head?

[balmy glen]

no its intim

[mighty stump]

I run Intim

[polar canyon]

I just don't usually see head smash without rock head

[autumn vault]

I dont run H-Arc in Reg G

[mighty stump]

No you definitely do

[balmy glen]

oh I was running pollen puff on my csr dont mind me

[polar canyon]

Guess I just don't see the move being clicked

[minor panther]

why does.. calyrex even GET pollen puff

[bold geode]

Harc is good
I'm still biased on Hitmontop lmao

[balmy glen]

get $90 to find out

[polar canyon]

It fits with its lore

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[minor panther]

i already got the dlc dont try that

[polar canyon]

The little guy brings bountiful harvests and stuff

[balmy glen]

get another $90

[minor panther]

oh yeah forgot about that

[polar canyon]

He's like the god of harvest or something

[autumn vault]

That, actually makes sense

[minor panther]

now that you say this it makes more sense

[mighty stump]

This is really hitting the nail on the head about reading and Pokemon players

[minor panther]

look i dont remember much about the dlc, havent played it in awhile

[polar canyon]

Well me neither

Guess I'm just better at storing useless pokemon lore knowledge

[autumn vault]

Me neither

I have to store my Gen 4/5/9 knowledge somewhere

[nocturne holly]

Wait what about cir

Does cir also get pollen puff

[mighty stump]

@balmy glen What partners you think have been good for H-Arc non-restricted wise?

TW is a given

I've been running T-Wave Farigiraf just for para-flinch

[balmy glen]

surry in illitate

[balmy glen]

Brother

I did the same but not with h arc xd

I also ran Psychic fangs on mine cuz I was tired of all the grimmsnarls

[balmy glen]

Hmmm

[dapper crag]

Move: Psychic Fangs

If this attack does not miss, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, and Aurora Veil end for the target's side of the field before damage is calculated.

Type

Psychic

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[balmy glen]

It kind of depends on what restricted I’m running to be fair

[chrome knot]

that text is confusing

so do screens end before damage is calculated

[balmy glen]

It deletes screeens after the dmg done

[chrome knot]

says screen ends before damage is calculated

[balmy glen]

might be different on cart

I only know showdown

[chrome knot]

how would moves be different from cart to showdown

im just reading its own text to you and we’re getting different answers

[balmy glen]

trust me there’s a lot of things that are different that they end up patching later after someone notices

(I’ve dmed Wob abt a couple lol)

[chrome knot]

aah

[balmy glen]

Like I had him fix the stomping tantrum interaction

It was different on showdown than on cart

[chrome knot]

interesting

[mighty stump]

Im pretty sure it works the same as Brick Break

So like

You break the screens

Then you do the damage

[dapper crag]

Move: Brick Break

If this attack does not miss, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, and Aurora Veil end for the target's side of the field before damage is calculated.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

ok they read the same

ao breaks screen, deals damage

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[chrome knot]

in that order

[mighty stump]

So you deal 100% damage

[chrome knot]

omw to find more friends for cir band h-arc

[balmy glen]

I’m just running clear am

Well if you don’t have Farig I’d recommend clear am at least

[dapper crag]

Item: Clear Amulet

Prevents other Pokemon from lowering the holder's stat stages.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

just stat changes

[balmy glen]

…

[chrome knot]

WHAT are u having clear amulet on that isnt cir

[balmy glen]

Did u just search what clam does but u have it on ur Caly ice

[chrome knot]

you just waffled

no you confused me LMAO

[mighty stump]

Goggles CIR when

[chrome knot]

go to the timeout corner.

[mighty stump]

💀

CB CIR WHEN

[balmy glen]

Iron hands, Terapagos, Both Caly Rider, Hisu Arc

etc etc tbh

[chrome knot]

on a cir team.

[balmy glen]

I’ve had it on Rilla but then found CB just better

Oh on CIR you can put psychic seed with swords dance your welcome 🙂

[chrome knot]

oh so trueee

[mighty stump]

I'm so confused

[chrome knot]

without my own indeedee

[balmy glen]

idk I haven’t slept in 27 hours

[mighty stump]

Oh to be young and free

[balmy glen]

trying to reset my sleep schedule so I’m waffling

[balmy glen]

I am not free

[mighty stump]

How am I 25 and in a position of responsibility

Why couldn't I be born rich and be a nepo-baby

[balmy glen]

I work at in n out, studying comp si/business, doing real estate, and studying mons ezpz

summer school time too sadly

in n out is hell but good pay will say

[mighty stump]

A real grinder

I'm just a gp

[chrome iron]

What number would be a good Defense/Special Defense stat?

[mighty stump]

Clicking SD feels bad without ClearAm though

[balmy glen]

on what pokemon

[mighty stump]

Unless you're Zacian

[chrome iron]

Any Pokemon really

[mighty stump]

It doesn't work that way, the stats are contextual and specific to each Pokemon

[balmy glen]

just be clam Zacian wdym

[mighty stump]

big real

[bold geode]

Felt that

[balmy glen]

I wanna be born rich

[mighty stump]

I just gotta grind things out

[mighty stump]

Gf needs the princess treatment

[balmy glen]

For this I summon monster and place 2 trap cards down and end my suffering and end my turn

[mighty stump]

When Keanu drinks Prime Energy or something

[mighty stump]

Solemn Judgement, Pot of Greed

[chrome iron]

I'm specifically talking about Cradily.
I can't copy the set because showdown is being mean

[mighty stump]

What are you trying to calc it for?

Like why do you need the defenses

[chrome iron]

I think Cradily was meant for defense

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 346: Cradily

Types

Rock/Grass

Abilities

Suction Cups, Storm Drain (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

86/81/97/81/107/43

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

Okay, but you still need to consider what you're trying to live/facing

When training defensively you usually think about what Pokemon you're facing

[chrome iron]

Live hits

[mighty stump]

...Yes but from what

[chrome iron]

No specific Mon

Just live it as a tanky fossil

[balmy glen]

That’s not how calcs work in the comp scene

[mighty stump]

Cradily
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Bold Nature

This lives hits

[balmy glen]

What tera are you putting on your h arc rn tofu