Yes
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
2 of them, I got demolished by both of them
I played poorly into one of them
The other I made a wrong call
zinc totem
oh yea, in other discord server, people has made some skeledirge team crafts
fire lizard raises in popularity soon?
rustic mountain
wats the benefit of skele on terapagos teams? walls zama and koraidon?
molten oasis
wats the benefit of skele on terapagos teams? walls zama and koraidon?
Yes
In turn it also walls zacian
So it’s an issue for me
rustic mountain
oof
balmy glen
wats the benefit of skele on terapagos teams? walls zama and koraidon?
and abuses the sun the best compared to ceruledge and chandelure but the other 2 are generally better
rustic mountain
yea ive seen chandelure but not skeledirge, figured it had similar use case
rustic mountain
yea the reasoning makes sense, idk id love to see it make a comeback but im weary it fits a role that like keanu said already has been slotted b4 by 2 other mons that r prolly doin the job better. no flash fire is a net negative imo
molten oasis
Mhmm
molten oasis
It seems okay
rustic mountain
yea idt its a bad option seems worth testing
weirder options have come out of this format
nocturne holly
What restricted are you all using
molten oasis
You already know
balmy glen
anyway, no CSR so I haven’t tried the ditto
Tera normal ditto?
balmy glen
Oh then u lose to most CSR teams
nocturne holly
anyway, no CSR so I haven’t tried the ditto
Also drago
Do you think pao tei+zac could work
you threaten with a lot of damage using tei if you can’t set up Zac and you can also threaten with Zac using pao
molten oasis
Man like, mmm
molten oasis
Also drago
Do you think pao tei+zac could work
you threaten with a lot of dama...
Yes, HO Zac works fine
balmy glen
you go tera normal if you want the CSR matchup fixed
molten oasis
Alr
balmy glen
you go tera ghost for Zama
nocturne holly
Yes, HO Zac works fine
I still want it to be balance based
balmy glen
And like general purposes tbh^^
molten oasis
Then no
rustic mountain
What restricted are you all using
so far its been csr/cir and ogre in my rotation
molten oasis
And like general purposes tbh^^
Gotcha
rustic mountain
i wanna try zama/terapagos and miraidon this month tho
molten oasis
Uhm, I mean it’s the weakest mu, even with av incin
I can’t get Zac into a spot to take it out post Tera
nocturne holly
i wanna try zama/terapagos and miraidon this month tho
Mirai is so fun
molten oasis
Although I’ve noticed some have been slower than my Zac
rustic mountain
Mirai is so fun
it seems it
nocturne holly
Deletes everything
rustic mountain
yea fr haha resist my ass
molten oasis
The resists for it are like, av bolt and even then
nocturne holly
Although I’ve noticed some have been slower than my Zac
Also what speed control are you using with Zac
molten oasis
Draco is an option
nocturne holly
yea fr haha resist my ass
I feel bad for amoonguss
molten oasis
Also what speed control are you using with Zac
Torn
molten oasis
I’ve considered using peli but I want flare blitz
rustic mountain
shroom will b fine, its been taking hits for years
nocturne holly
shroom will b fine, its been taking hits for years
Fr shroom the goat
rustic mountain
genuinely has to be one of the best vgc mons ever
nocturne holly
but mirai is so nice into it with e terrain
nocturne holly
genuinely has to be one of the best vgc mons ever
Def top 10-15
molten oasis
Because of rage powder, not spore
rustic mountain
Def top 10-15
wat r some mons ud put over it ?
nocturne holly
Yea but volt switch+literally anything ohkos shroom
rustic mountain
id be hard pressed to think of 2 even that have been more consistently good throughout its introduction
nocturne holly
wat r some mons ud put over it ?
Incin ursh, kyogre ray ground
molten oasis
ray would 100% not count unless it’s mega Ray
nocturne holly
Yea mega ray
molten oasis
Then sure
rustic mountain
even mega ray its like, it had such a short reign
nocturne holly
ig there’s not a ton better than shroom
molten oasis
Yea amoonguss is just good
rustic mountain
stuff like ogre, shroom and even newer mons like incin urshi, u know they either will have or have had mad staying power
molten oasis
I don’t see it getting power crept
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/bb024ab7ef2d2e7c
Ditto 🥶
nocturne holly
that should be like 10-15 range haha and even then
changing it to top 5
molten oasis
Amoonguss and incin don’t rely on that at all
rustic mountain
nope
molten oasis
Amoonguss and incin are strong all the time
nocturne holly
well gimmick reliance yea
Speaking of
What do y’all think is gonna happen to ogerpon next gimmick
rustic mountain
i think jus default form
molten oasis
It just doesn’t get access to its Tera ability
rustic mountain
like ull have ur tier 1 ability b4 tera and thats it
molten oasis
Like how megas don’t get those abilities
rustic mountain
terapagos is gna be so bad w/o tera
molten oasis
Yea
nocturne holly
I think water is still gonna be crazy as shifu coubter+follow me
molten oasis
Poor terapagos lol
nocturne holly
mhm
molten oasis
I think water is still gonna be crazy as shifu coubter+follow me
It’s not much of a shifu counter
All it means is shifu can’t click SS
rustic mountain
I think water is still gonna be crazy as shifu coubter+follow me
i think theyll all still b useful
mold breaker/water absorb/study/defiant, all good abilities
nocturne holly
All it means is shifu can’t click SS
But now you can deal with shifu way easier
molten oasis
meh
nocturne holly
does pao tei make a team ho
rustic mountain
?
molten oasis
Scarf is gonna u-turn out
Not necessarily but I would just feed into HO at that point
rustic mountain
whats pao tei
molten oasis
I don’t see entei as much of a balance Mon
rustic mountain
oh entei
nocturne holly
Ye
nocturne holly
I’m gonna play around with icy wind flutter
I don’t think I’ve ever used it
rustic mountain
does pao tei make a team ho
no but it gives u an ho mode in a sense, depends on the entei set and also pao is generally an enabler for ho tendencies but has and can be used on balance as well. its really jus the ability w/ strong physical attackers can apply ho like pressure in certain board states
nocturne holly
I wanna play with it in a balance style
rustic mountain
av entei prolly the best item for it then
molten oasis
Just from experience
Adding pao just kinda makes the team feel more HO due to Zac usually being able to just start hitting shit
Like I dropped my pao due to it just becoming a HO team
Not that it was bad I just like making defensive switches and I can’t do that with frail ass pao
Like tree said av would be best
nocturne holly
Not that it was bad I just like making defensive switches and I can’t do that wi...
I also like pivot styles
nocturne holly
Yea I’m gonna try your goggles taunt set
molten oasis
I’d prefer scarf with pao tei but ok
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
Well, you need either rapid strike or pelipper, or both
For incin
Within the meta cuz ik that Regidrago team exists and im guessing the plan for incin is Regidrago nuking incin
rustic mountain
Not that it was bad I just like making defensive switches and I can’t do that wi...
thats fair but i think theres def leeway there. having slow pivot options w/ u turn rilla and parting shot incin def give u the ability most times to pivot in pao safely to then give u that extra damage boost if u need it. or jus manually switching it in if u can just outspeed and ko a main threat u may not really care about potentially taking damage on pao. i think it really just depends on how u position and play the team vs pao inherently making the team more ho based
rustic mountain
i think u need that core
molten oasis
Pao can, work on it, not that I’d use pao
molten oasis
Drago what’s your line into groudon
Torn rain dance and ursh
Amoonguss can spore it
I want double so bad lol
nocturne holly
what
molten oasis
Zac can’t carry a team by itself it needs a partner lol
rustic mountain
double restricted
nocturne holly
Oh
Zac needs like a rain setter for groudon right
what else can I do against groudon
rustic mountain
generally yea u wanna nullify the mons that are enabled by sun and something that can ko groudon generally a water type in rain is the most favorable whether its pelipper, rain dance torn +watershifu, or watershifu + pelipper
they usually have bolt tho so
gets a bit more nuanced how u play it id imagine
molten oasis
Positive with Zac
Zac demolishes raging bolt, so your brings for groudon/koraidon are rain setter shifu Zac
The , whatever you need
Zac covers shifu very well and shifu does the same
Hence why I think shifu is a must
nocturne holly
Zac demolishes raging bolt, so your brings for groudon/koraidon are rain setter ...
How
molten oasis
…
jovial storm
Finally ready to build my team, or rather finish it. I just need to know some good Clefairy EV spreads.
jovial storm
I know full HP is way to go but am unsure about the rest of the bulk.
molten oasis
molten oasis
I know full HP is way to go but am unsure about the rest of the bulk.
Max defense is the most common thing
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/3a520fe49ee8cbea oh yea this is what i had a few weeks ago
Any ideas to swap bolt
It put in the least work
I think maybe something that’s good into csr
easier said than done 😭
molten oasis
Tera normal ditto
nocturne holly
I’ve been thinking of ditto
nocturne holly
Tera normal ditto
Is ditto really that good into csr?
nocturne holly
I don’t mind dengo tbh
Another set up option
chrome knot
think about this logically
jolly barn
molten oasis
There is occasionally logic in Pokemon
nocturne holly
There is occasionally logic in Pokemon
How has ditto been
molten oasis
I haven’t played so idk
chrome knot
she could be thirsty
SHES MADE OF COTTON
bold geode
SHES MADE OF COTTON
Cotton is a plant
Plants need water
molten oasis
You guys are so dumb lol
strange fjord
Everything needs water 🤷♂️
what about marcargo
silver ravine
Cotton is a plant
Plants need water
Nah you're wrong. Planets need Brawndo. Brawndo has electrolytes.
nocturne holly
what about marcargo
hot water or smth idk
bold geode
Nah you're wrong. Planets need Brawndo. Brawndo has electrolytes.
LeBrawndo James
pallid hare
competitive_idiocracy
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/42295475684544c8 thoughts on the last member? i need something for csr
bold geode
competitive_idiocracy
Me AF
silver ravine
Ayyy won 3 games in a row. Prob should stop playing now
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/42295475684544c8 thoughts on the last member? i need somethi...
Tera normal ditto
nocturne holly
iv ebeen trying it
would chien work
torn is def better than pelipper on this
prio tw is so good
mighty stump
You already have sth for CSR lol
WG Pelipper + Zacian and it can’t touch Zacian
Why are you Tera Dragon
nocturne holly
WG Pelipper + Zacian and it can’t touch Zacian
i didnt even think about that thats so nice into ittt
molten oasis
would chien work
Pao would be fine
mighty stump
I dont like Pao as an answer to CSR lol
mighty stump
Chi-Yu is miles better for that purpose
molten oasis
True yea
nocturne holly
would chi yu work in rain like that
mighty stump
Not really
nocturne holly
would torn dual weather be an option
molten oasis
You lose access to taunt or protect
molten oasis
Tera normal ditto
nocturne holly
You dont have to have Rain
whats my line into groudon then
rain is my main answer into it rn
molten oasis
There ya go, CSR answer
rustic mountain
Nah you're wrong. Planets need Brawndo. Brawndo has electrolytes.
i jus rewatched that movie the other day lmao
mighty stump
whats ur spdef on shifu for
rustic mountain
holds up for sure, even more tru current day then it was then
nocturne holly
whats ur spdef on shifu for
its from monkes rental, 50% roll from thunder clap
mighty stump
That’s depressing
silver ravine
i jus rewatched that movie the other day lmao
Peak cinema
rustic mountain
its a solid movie haha
rustic mountain
That’s depressing
wasnt ur roll like 80% chance to live
or something around that pre tera
rustic mountain
nocturne holly
on shifu??
rustic mountain
even better
mighty stump
I don’t mind the 50:50 out but atp if you have Pelipper a Defensive Tera is more useful
Since most expect you to switch you can bank on a 50:50 your opp doesn’t know you have
mighty stump
doesnt really help your sun mu
nocturne holly
just in general on this
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
doesnt really help your sun mu
do you think dual weather torn would work
i can have the rain mode for shifu and sun for chi yu
mighty stump
I’m not a fan
bold geode
That’s depressing
It really is lmao
I miss bulky Scarf
I just wanted to at least know I could flip a coin, once again
Play to your outs folks
mighty stump
Sitting in a consult room by myself is surreal
silver ravine
Am I cooking or am I cooked? https://pokepast.es/6f514b2b824c3ff9
nocturne holly
no more pink 😭
next stump
unknown until early August
chrome knot
dillon
patent marsh
We need to cook with this boi
bold marsh
Hi
chrome knot
i so back
cyan smelt
next stump
let’s gooo I gotta get back into this shit too
cyan smelt
Just go to #1040555642668199936 and make a post like you've been told already
balmy glen
i so back<:jorge:1097662698264735916>
Team working?
chrome knot
yes but i feel revived after a healthy breaky
playing tcg today and deck im playing is so funny
chrome knot
yes..
bold marsh
Im new my friend told me to play competitive
patent marsh
Do you think incineroar is good
Most consistent support mon
silver ravine
It's both the best and worst pokemon in the game. Well outside of restricted mons
patent marsh
:wcyd:
silver ravine
?
Best in that it has good typing, stats, movepool, and a great ability. Worst in that it's so good, it causes role compression and invalidates a lot of otherwise good mons
patent marsh
Best in that it has good typing, stats, movepool, and a great ability. Worst in ...
Ye was right 
balmy glen
We just have to make it have wicked blow
chrome knot
Best in usage worst as in for health of the game I think
its quite a fair pokemon
patent marsh
We just have to make it have wicked blow
God imagine if it did 
silver ravine
Need to give a new ability that combines unseen fist and intimidate.
chrome knot
knowledge check mon and is not hard to play around lmao
silver ravine
knowledge check mon and is not hard to play around lmao
Outside of psychic terrain or Farigiraf, that's easier said than done.
chrome knot
no?
silver ravine
Only option is to protect one mon or double protect. I believe fake out beats out rage powder and other redirect moves
silver ravine
I mean it's not impossible, but it's not Incin's only move. You either let them set up or still get smacked by shifu
silver ravine
like do you tunnel vision to winning the turn
chrome knot
shocking
silver ravine
There's parting shot as well, which can add to the pressure if you're using a physical sweeper. I'm not saying it's broken, but there's a reason why almost every high ranking team uses it
chrome knot
meta is meta for a reason.
however its not hard to play around incin if ur planning instead of trying to win a turn
nocturne holly
Best in that it has good typing, stats, movepool, and a great ability. Worst in ...
Role compression isn’t even that bad
Imo urshifu is less healthy for the game
Protect is like a basic of vgc and shifu just ignores it
ebon portal
Anybody knows a good hisuian goodra build for pvp?
rustic mountain
i feel like thats asked here atleast once a week, y do ppl like h goodra so much? i also dont have a build for it sorry
rustic mountain
Role compression isn’t even that bad
Imo urshifu is less healthy for the game
Pr...
i think the issue is less its role compression and moreso its lack of competition for the role it fills
but ppl love their buzzwords so oh incin is broken
which it isnt, it is fair but yea not really having anything else that fills that gap in the same way while it outperforms any other mons ud want to do similar things
solid frigate
i feel like thats asked here atleast once a week, y do ppl like h goodra so much...
Goodra is fan favourite thats why
There are some Goodra Fans lurking
rustic mountain
yea but goodra isnt h goodra. is it ppl clinging to the fact h goodra had some meta relevancy in past formats? and by association of loving goodra they wanna use it in some capacity?
like i genuinely jus dont understand why h goodra specifically
its weirdly very commonly asked here
like more then any other mon ive seen
solid frigate
either same people have those accounts,which is unlikely or its just the curiousity they wanna try to use it
rustic mountain
id just expect more variety in favorites. h goodra is far and away the most asked about from people popping in
solid frigate
Idk man let them ask ig
rustic mountain
who said they couldnt? im also asking something in response. if i had any notable h goodra build id give it to them but i dont like that mon and hated playing vs it haha
think ive only seen it on low ladder for reg g 
solid frigate
i think Los Angles someone uses a Hoodra
i forgot but it did shown on stream before
rustic mountain
this format?
oh ur saying at the la regional some1 did
i thought ur saying some1 from la uses it haha
solid frigate
lol
balmy glen
Hoodra gaming
solid frigate
but like some people asked that way before that happened,so yeah idk
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/7d4f08ed8909cd19
i hate this team lmao
solid frigate
yep-
silver ravine
Role compression isn’t even that bad
Imo urshifu is less healthy for the game
Pr...
But urshifu can be redirected though. Though urshifu is worse for the game. Not sure what game freak was thinking when they made it.
rustic mountain
i think in the context of dmax it was fine
seems a bit much now w/ that gone tho, unseen fist should be like 30% thru protect
chrome knot
Hoodra gaming
yeah it in my deck
rustic mountain
idt they r gna change it tho
balmy glen
seems a bit much now w/ that gone tho, unseen fist should be like 30% thru prote...
Nah
just ignore the unseen fist with Weezing
silver ravine
just ignore the unseen fist with Weezing
rustic mountain
had fun w/ a moon weezing team in reg d i think it was?
silver ravine
Not sure why, but I'd like to build a team including galarian moltres and another including galarian zapdos. I'd say around, but with restricted mons being around the power level is too high.
mighty stump
had fun w/ a moon weezing team in reg d i think it was?
Until it fixed the glitch
rustic mountain
yea 
rustic mountain
Not sure why, but I'd like to build a team including galarian moltres and anothe...
galar moltres has seen some success on zama teams this format
silver ravine
galar moltres has seen some success on zama teams this format
I only have Zacian as I got Sword D:
rustic mountain
idk bout g zap but u can prolly make it work
faint nest
Think bro schizo
solid frigate
Think bro schizo
tf can i see the replay
rustic mountain
faint nest
tf can i see the replay
Blud forefit
molten oasis
idk bout g zap but u can prolly make it work
gapdos
faint nest
Didn’t even battle
rustic mountain
replays dont care about forfeits
solid frigate
Blud forefit
but what team is he using
molten oasis
urshifu is just better
faint nest
Funny enough I got him again 2 matches later and bro called me obsessed 😭
rustic mountain
what ranking even is this?
faint nest
replays dont care about forfeits
No I mean he forfeit no battle happened
molten oasis
what elo are you at
faint nest
what elo are you at
I rarely care for elo but it’s 1100 around there
molten oasis
Not sure why, but I'd like to build a team including galarian moltres and anothe...
like ig zacian would appreciate it more
gapdos would do better with zac
faint nest
I just be chillin playin with mons I like really
molten oasis
zac would rather have rapid strike as a partner
solid frigate
I rarely care for elo but it’s 1100 around there
what team is he using
rustic mountain
no like i get that, im saying like even if some1 forfeits t1, ur usually able to still save the replay
silver ravine
like ig zacian would appreciate it more
faint nest
<:arkeknine:669500432741040129> what team is he using
Forgot but I know he had a Vaporeon
molten oasis
i tried gapdos zacian for a while its not the worst
rustic mountain
oh god
molten oasis
its usable, i don't think its the best partner for zac
faint nest
no like i get that, im saying like even if some1 forfeits t1, ur usually able to...
Yeah I didn’t save that reply
solid frigate
Forgot but I know he had a Vaporeon
w h a t-
rustic mountain
I just be chillin playin with mons I like really
nah thats fine, usually jus ppl in that range talk the most i was jus curious
faint nest
nah thats fine, usually jus ppl in that range talk the most i was jus curious
yeah I don’t understand people that are low elo talking crazy 😭
solid frigate
Forgot but I know he had a Vaporeon
w h a t
t h e f u c k
I s h e c o o k i n
solid frigate
i live in 1500's rn
1400s rn for me
rustic mountain
yeah I don’t understand people that are low elo talking crazy 😭
yea its wild lmao
molten oasis
ive hit 1700 once
faint nest
like I alr know I ain’t that good to be in the 1400 cuz I just be using mons I like and not a well thought team
molten oasis
cuz for whatever reason if i go on bo1 ladder with pao pult i just win every game, HO moment
rustic mountain
i mean we all play for different reasons
molten oasis
not, every, but most
rustic mountain
stall? u play singles im guessing?
molten oasis
skill issue
faint nest
stall? u play singles im guessing?
Yep
solid frigate
If I play against stall I just auto lose
just have someone that break stall Urshifu
rustic mountain
gotcha yea b/w vaporean and that im like its gta be
molten oasis
ah, was gonna say in doubles thats not too hard to deal with
faint nest
~~skill issue~~
Indeed no shame in the game
rustic mountain
most of us do vgc here
faint nest
I can beat it sometimes but damn the recovery moves just pisses me off 😭
solid frigate
ah, was gonna say in doubles thats not too hard to deal with
as long as you have Urshifu that can OHKO Ting Lu
You'll be fine
rustic mountain
yea stall honestly was a big reason i ventured out of singles. i originally had started with that
molten oasis
interesting
rustic mountain
went to vgc and never looked back really
faint nest
Valid
solid frigate
Stall is just pain in Singles
rustic mountain
its manageable i jus didnt find it enjoyable
solid frigate
Doubles VGC as long as you have Urshifu most of the time you'll be fine
keyword Most.
faint nest
Stall is just pain in Singles
I just find everyone who plays it boring
molten oasis
Doubles VGC as long as you have Urshifu most of the time you'll be fine
you dont need ursh
rustic mountain
Doubles VGC as long as you have Urshifu most of the time you'll be fine
p much
molten oasis
BUT ursh is strong so
faint nest
Cuz no way you wanna sit for 60 turn of stall 😭
solid frigate
you dont need ursh
i just need it to kill the living heck out of the moose
rustic mountain
Cuz no way you wanna sit for 60 turn of stall 😭
thats wat i mean haha those games were too much and it was like b2b or every other game like nah im gucci on that
molten oasis
singles does seem like switching simulator
rustic mountain
even if ur not playing as it
u better have an answer and generally it means ur stalling too
faint nest
thats wat i mean haha those games were too much and it was like b2b or every oth...
I just forfeit instead of wasting my time
molten oasis
like that has to get old
solid frigate
singles does seem like switching simulator
Switch,Stall,Heal
the cycle of that game
rustic mountain
I just forfeit instead of wasting my time
nah i cant lmao unless i know its unwinnable which is why eventually im like im jus not playing singles
balmy glen
yea stall honestly was a big reason i ventured out of singles. i originally had ...
I played a singles tour match for 3 hours and decided I’d quit after the tour
solid frigate
HO is not that great in Singles
chrome knot
@craggy dagger dysphoria is kicking my ass pls save me
rustic mountain
really was pretty short tbh think i barely did singles for like 2 months
faint nest
I really fw Annihlape lately added it to my team
rustic mountain
I played a singles tour match for 3 hours and decided I’d quit after the tour
honestly, real
balmy glen
I played a singles tour match for 3 hours and decided I’d quit after the tour
(We both loaded stall)
molten oasis
WAIT IM NOT EVENT PINK ANYMORE
solid frigate
really was pretty short tbh think i barely did singles for like 2 months
i tried HO,but it does not work
solid frigate
WAIT IM NOT EVENT PINK ANYMORE
you are still pink-
molten oasis
molten oasis
you are still pink-
i corrected myself
rustic mountain
i tried HO,but it does not work
i think u have ur wallbreakers but generally yea full ho is just not gna work
solid frigate
i think u have ur wallbreakers but generally yea full ho is just not gna work
yeah you most likely have Balance or Stall in here
molten oasis
i think, not being able to make pivots on HO, generally, is kinda why i dislike HO
like yes u-turn and parting shot exist but, still hard to switch
rustic mountain
i like ho, clicking buttons is fun
molten oasis
i mean yea thats fun for sure
solid frigate
i feel like my team rn is HO Pagos Partners+CM Pagos lmao
molten oasis
it just not for me
rustic mountain
fair enough
solid frigate
bulky offense is good but i feel like for me i keep losing either bad pilot or luck
solid frigate
rn Semi HO+Balance is my way now
molten oasis
protect the king is also fairly common of a playstyle
CSR being like, THE face of that
get it set up you win
solid frigate
CSR being like, THE face of that
Maybe Pagos in Early Meta
solid frigate
but now it can do shit without Pagos
solid frigate
Raging Bolt and Chi Yu as examples
molten oasis
mhmm
solid frigate
and even then,like Pagos without setup is still pretty decent
molten oasis
i have to grind in elden ring now, malenia is the first boss to cause me to have to grind so far
chrome knot
GOINNG to cry ngl
molten oasis
even tho on my xbox i did it in 7 attempts, now im on 30ish playing keyboard
craggy dagger
GOINNG to cry ngl
molten oasis
craggy dagger
everything will be okiiii
chrome knot
):
craggy dagger
you can get through it 
ur a strong girl right-?
molten oasis
chrome knot
my everything feels so gross
solid frigate
i'm already tired out on playing HSR so yeah i might just relax a bit
spiral ridge
take care Emma hun
chrome knot
body uncomfy and it make me unable to sleepy
solid frigate
spiral ridge
:<
faint nest
My goatt
little plank
strange fjord
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153093863
zoroark moment when doing battles on my alt
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2153105449 My tera rock sand Zamazenta strat is working out very well
autumn vault
I don't know why, but ik you're saying that my team is garbage which is actually not that far form the truth, i like it but its not a great team
mighty stump
oof
storm gulch
In competitive Single who is better Blaziken or Infernape?
mighty stump
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153193377-5msmkw6lfk3km9omd2h5xgekrgap82zpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153194506-l3fvle66ekxz60ko9l084ki56d586cwpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153195363-xx6m5w0pfi5p75b6p9dn8j6bwee41wkpw
Lmao beat someone 200 elo higher in bo3
Click button funni
Think H-Arc can be pretty alright
polar canyon
This meme page is peak
polar canyon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2153193377-5msmkw6lfk3km9o...
This one a certified amoonguss moment
junior blade
Its for singles, can anyone give me some fire pokemon propositions? I want it to not be a legendary or be shiny locked
polar canyon
Its for singles, can anyone give me some fire pokemon propositions? I want it to...
Can you specify if this is like, for ou, in game 3v3 ranked or just like battling with friends?
junior blade
Its for ubers 1v1, i can have some problems but i am 1300-1400 with a random sixth pokemon, i dont know what to add to balance it out
polar canyon
Can I be honest
junior blade
Yea
polar canyon
You will lose almost every game
Playing Ubers without an uber pokemon
It's not the case of something you can just push through because you try hard enough
junior blade
Archaludon tho, sceptile is like sneasler, i can push through most of things, but i cant really counter ho oh or corvinight
polar canyon
I forget archaludon is an Uber
junior blade
I can sweep most of pokemons with archa
polar canyon
Vs mostly box legendary teams?
junior blade
Nah i fell off
polar canyon
Well you will get stuck and not progress as soon as you get to the players who play well
junior blade
I will change and repair most of things, but for now its mostly for friendly
I need some fire offense
polar canyon
Oh you could've told that earlier
If it's for playing with friends it doesn't really matter
As long as you're on the same skill level as your friends you should be able to come up with ideas as good as theirs
I don't wanna interfere in your experience playing with your friends by giving advice they're not getting
junior blade
I was thinking bout power trip corvinight or screen setting tinkaton
polar canyon
From a slightly more experienced view those are like clearly not good options
But assuming you and the friends you play with are about as good as each other
Anything should work
Just have fun coming up with a strategy
junior blade
I mean i tried skeledirge and volca but they are too restricted with their moveset
polar canyon
In what sense
Like amount of different ways to use each one?
From what I've seen there's like at least like 3 different play styles for skeledirge
For single battles
polar canyon
You can do like flame charge to make it fast, or invest a bit more in offense and have it be some bulky wallbreaker, or use it as a wall kinda like you did
I'm no singles expert or singles player at all but I think that's true
junior blade
At this point, slither wing would be better
polar canyon
Volcarona yeah in singles it's pretty much quiver dance and sweep
polar canyon
At this point, slither wing would be better
I don't get how they're related
junior blade
Flame charge speed boost
polar canyon
Very different mons
junior blade
Booster energy, flame charge and then flying tera acrobatics
polar canyon
Skeledirge is meant to be a self boosting attacker that snowballs fast with torch song getting stronger and stronger
I think it's seen some usage in doubles even
But only for like the first month of ranked
Or was it 2?
Until they started allowing flutter mane and great tusk and the other paradoxes
Well the point is you are allowed to use your favorites if you're just fighting your friends and not like laddering or competitive competitive
If you ever do want to go far in competitive competitive you have to rethink your entire team
polar canyon
Man I need to see what's low and what's high for ubers
junior blade
What are the items that goes well with unburden?
junior blade
Well, with lead sceptile
polar canyon
May I ask why lead sceptile
Doesn't look exactly like a good lead
Unless it's just because you like the pokemon that's completely fair
junior blade
Its that i have 3 pokemons that would be the best with focus sash
Zoroark, galvantula and the sceptile
polar canyon
Do your friends play with item clause?
polar canyon
Also for archaludon you might like having a pelipper maybe with u-turn
junior blade
The slowbro is doing just fine
polar canyon
It looks fine but like pelipper is definitely a better option for the purpose of setting rain for archaludon
Plus don't undermine that pelipper has offensive capability
Hurricane never misses in rain and weather ball has high power
junior blade
I also tried psychic seed spectile, and slowbro with psychic terrain and expanding force
He has regenerator for switching and all
polar canyon
Generally it's preferable to use automatic setting for terrains and weathers
It's why people use mons like indeedee or torkoal
Because the value of what you're able to do in one turn is often very important
When you play well against someone who plays well
I may or may not be biased because I play doubles
Where that mentality of every turn being very important is further amplified
But a turn of clicking psychic terrain can matter when it could've been a turn of doing something else with an indeedee
The extra turn between clicking rain dance and switching out compared to just switching out a pelipper could be the turn where your opponent sets up swords dance to sweep
Still here?
junior blade
Yeah
I mean, the slowbro can threathen most of those pokemons i switch in so its very suprising seeing rain dance and psychic terrain slowbro
Most of the times they try earthquake or switching out
If its a ground mon, i will just do psychic and switch into spectile
If its normal one i am doing rain and going into archa
polar canyon
Also why not use regular slowbro that gets to use boosted water moves in the rain?
junior blade
I want to use most of the rain cause i have terrain excender for the psychic terrain
polar canyon
It also pressures ground types a bit before going into your ground weak archaludon
Kantonian slowbro sounds like the best option there
Archaludon eats up the grass and electric moves it's weak to
polar canyon
Have fun
solid frigate
wha
nocturne holly
had fun w/ a moon weezing team in reg d i think it was?
Walance was so funnnnnv
solid frigate
new season new pagos team time
slender sentinel
So does the F.E.A.R strat still work? I don’t wanna use it competitively, just to troll my friend once
solid frigate
So does the F.E.A.R strat still work? I don’t wanna use it competitively, just t...
well in doubles it does not work
slender sentinel
well in doubles it does not work
He plays singles
nocturne holly
So does the F.E.A.R strat still work? I don’t wanna use it competitively, just t...
I think gen 9 you can only do it with lycanroc iirc
solid frigate
cuz rattata does not exists and Lycanroc is eh
autumn vault
We are one month away from Reg H coming to Showdown
And 2 months from it coming out on the switch
autumn vault
I think gen 9 you can only do it with lycanroc iirc
And RockRuff if it gets Endeavor and Quick Attack
next stump
if it’s a year of double restricted i am going to cry
solid frigate
if it’s a year of double restricted i am going to cry
eh idk its all up to fate
solid frigate
i might just take a rest on HSR after getting the Goal done,tho first W in New Season and Team
chrome knot
if it’s a year of double restricted i am going to cry
what ELSE can they do
next stump
I wish they weren’t stuck in a move forward mentality
next stump
I think it’d be more fun to go backwards sometimes
chrome knot
no but like genuinely what other format
solid frigate
i might just prepare on it
chrome knot
do u want to restart @ reg A again…?
autumn vault
I would love those formats
next stump
at least for a couple months
solid frigate
Reg A with Blueberry dex
i would actually be shocked
autumn vault
They could rerun Reg F
solid frigate
but i would wanna try
solid frigate
and Basically Slower the Power Creep
autumn vault
Yeah
autumn vault
I actually do
chrome knot
run 1v1 rn
autumn vault
I just never played competitive
autumn vault
I'm just, here
chrome knot
3141-3499-0350
solid frigate
kek
autumn vault
I'm not even on my Wii
solid frigate
solid frigate
I'm not even on my Wii
same here cuz i am busy
autumn vault
I don't plan on playing it today
autumn vault
Besides my skills are a little rusty
chrome knot
as if that part matters
autumn vault
I use rechargable batteries for the Wii remotes
timber falcon
I wonder what he’ll Stan tomorrow
solid frigate
lol
autumn vault
I have changed yet again
Idk what to stan so now i'm ...
Because idk what i want to do
craggy dagger
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4881db8bad0402da thoughts on the last slot? Probably gonna switch amoonguss for rilla and pelipper for torn
polar canyon
I have changed yet again
What if you did like dusk mane or something
autumn vault
I don't like Dusk Mane a lot
polar canyon
It's an average clear amulet dd/sd setup
autumn vault
Not enough for me to have very positive opinions on it
So i will not be Dusk Mane Stan
polar canyon
And zekrom is?
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/4881db8bad0402da thoughts on the last slot? Probably gonna s...
Rilla Would look nice,tho Bolt can help for some MUs
solid frigate
It's an average clear amulet dd/sd setup
its even worse than Zekrom-
autumn vault
And zekrom is?
Because i have VERY positive opinions about it
nocturne holly
I tried bolt, didn’t feel like it was doing much
autumn vault
I like Dragon Dance mons that actually have a good enough speed to outspeed CSR after a ddance
Dusk Mane, does not achieve that
polar canyon
its even worse than Zekrom-
Ok dusk mane isn't great but that's worse
Definitely worse
autumn vault
No your worse
solid frigate
Ok dusk mane isn't great but that's worse
i seen Lyco cooked Zekrom
autumn vault
Zekrom Stan >>> Dusk Mane Stan
polar canyon
Dusk mane is either ddance or trick room sd
solid frigate
sure he can be stubborn but Dusk Mane with that Speed-
polar canyon
Trick room sd is the better one btw
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
autumn vault
But here is the issue: I have 0 nostalgia for Dusk Mane
I only have nostalgia for gen 4, 5 and a bit on 6
polar canyon
Solgaleo would be better if it also had sd or ddance
autumn vault
That, i agree with
polar canyon
Like by a long shot
autumn vault
Yeah
polar canyon
It's the only reason to use dusk mane over solgaleo really
autumn vault
Not being forced to hold Clear Amulet to not be affected by intimidate is very nice
The problem is Dusk Mane can also have that now with C-amulet
solid frigate
Solgaleo would be better if it also had sd or ddance
it has basically no set up moves
And the only reason why people prefer Solgaleo over Lunala is because of the Anime
polar canyon
it has basically no set up moves
And the only reason why people prefer Solgaleo...
It has calm mind...
autumn vault
I prefer Lunala ngl
solid frigate
God damn Anipoke Fans being Ash-Pilled
autumn vault
It has calm mind...
Although you are correct it is a useless set up move
polar canyon
I honestly like both and have the same nostalgia for both because I played moon and ultra sun
I didn't catch the solgaleo arc of the anime
solid frigate
Lunala is better in EVERY WAY
polar canyon
I think solgaleo looks slightly cooler
chrome knot
@craggy dagger very serious hey guess what\
autumn vault
sure he can be stubborn but Dusk Mane with that Speed-
Don't remind me of what happened in the past
I'm trying to move on from that
But yes its still impossible to stop me from using what restricted i want to use
polar canyon
I think remembering the past is important to notice improvement in the present
autumn vault
Ik that
I learned from it, now i don't want to be reminded of it
I learned my lesson
autumn vault
I already did
polar canyon
I always thought it was cooler than zacian in design
autumn vault
I used Standard Zama and Tera Rock Sand Zama
autumn vault
I always thought it was cooler than zacian in design
I actually agree on this
polar canyon
Im a fan of the big fortress looking build
autumn vault
Yeah
A dog with a shield around it's neck is cooler than a dog holding a sword with it's mouth
Plus i always prefered Zama
solid frigate
b e a m a t t a c k
autumn vault
Don't tell Drago that
autumn vault
b e a m a t t a c k
polar canyon
I always wished zama was usable in gen 8
My wish came true and now I don't really like the playstyle
zinc totem
what is kyogre team consists of? Kyogre,rillaboom,lando-i?
autumn vault
Tornadus, Archaludon and Incineroar are the most common Kyogre partners
But the others are not bad options either
zinc totem
Tornadus, Archaludon and Incineroar are the most common Kyogre partners
yeah i met scarf kyogre team and i beat it with my current team i created haha
polar canyon
Because it prevents thunderclap and grassy glide
autumn vault
I prefer Tsareena but i can see use cases for Farigiraf over Tsareena
And actually counters Grass types and the typical electric types
zinc totem
I prefer Tsareena but i can see use cases for Farigiraf over Tsareena
farigiraf is generally used beacuse helping hand, protect and such and its normally must for some teams like miraidon
polar canyon
Farig could potentially also let you have a hybrid team with tr
Or just let you have an answer to it
autumn vault
farigiraf is generally used beacuse helping hand, protect and such and its norma...
Every pokemon gets protect
And Tsareena gets Helping Hand
solid frigate
yeah i met scarf kyogre team and i beat it with my current team i created haha
Scarf Kyogre is more Weaker now
polar canyon
Tsareena just isn't as versatile
autumn vault
Mystic, Specs and Ass Vest Kyogre are the dominant ones rn
solid frigate
Kyogre Wo Chien kek
autumn vault
And yes Water Spout go brrrr
polar canyon
Mystic, Specs and Ass Vest Kyogre are the dominant ones rn
I think that's a bad way to call assault vest
solid frigate
autumn vault
I think that's a bad way to call assault vest
polar canyon
What's with the iron boulder
solid frigate
i wanna try to use it
autumn vault
Its working out very well for Torrent
polar canyon
Doesn't feel like an iron Boulder kinda team
You should try to use it but maybe now is not the time
solid frigate
i used it and got into mid elo but still
autumn vault
Ass Vest
polar canyon
What does it really do that the team needs
solid frigate
kinda wanna have extra protection against Amogus
polar canyon
There's uh better ways to do that
solid frigate
sure i am not weak against it but still
polar canyon
Does psycho cut even ohko it
solid frigate
lemme check
polar canyon
I doubt it
zinc totem
ngl incineroar with taunt is nasty against amoongus and other type of like that 
polar canyon
People defending boulder with their lives over here
solid frigate
nope it does not
autumn vault
Mighty Cleave can atleast break through Protect
solid frigate
People defending boulder with their lives over here
i mean you literally defend Armarouge-
zinc totem
Iron boulder is pretty bulky and has decently high attack
polar canyon
i mean you literally defend Armarouge-
Nah I changed my mind
polar canyon
I'm only neutral to it because it looks cool but I hated playing vs psyspam in past regs
Armarouge > ceruledge tho
I like yellow and I like big ass shoulder pads
autumn vault
Ceruledge >> Armarouge
boreal mauveBOT
Provided by Nexus-Z
polar canyon
Someone gets it
craggy dagger
and like-
the levitating shoulder pads that turn into cannons
solid frigate
252 Atk Iron Boulder Mighty Cleave vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Incineroar: 144-170 (71.2 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I guess that kinda does work when i don't want to bring Landorus
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-horizons-the-series-captain-pikachu-ceruledge-gif-5357531131513384457
bold geode
and like-
the levitating shoulder pads that turn into cannons
Better than sword hands?
polar canyon
Better than sword hands?
Ye
autumn vault
Yeah sure
solid frigate
I'm neutral at this topic on which Version exclusive is better
polar canyon
Plasma cannons are awesome
autumn vault
Want me to say a Hot Take?
polar canyon
I'm neutral at this topic on which Version exclusive is better
I like both I just like one a bit more than the other
craggy dagger
Better than sword hands?
unfortunately yes-
cause armarouge has actual hands-
which means it can dual wield swords if it wants to
bold geode
Want me to say a Hot Take?
What's new
autumn vault
Koraidon over Miraidon in terms of design
solid frigate
I like both I just like one a bit more than the other
I'm more neutral on it
craggy dagger
Koraidon over Miraidon in terms of design
that’s a hot take???
polar canyon
Koraidon over Miraidon in terms of design
Not a hot take I regret picking Violet
solid frigate
Koraidon over Miraidon in terms of design
isn't that like widely agree on-
craggy dagger
sure bike form looks stupid-
but battle form, koraidon is amazing
solid frigate
Not a hot take I regret picking Violet
at least you have a bike that preform well in Reg G
bold geode
Eh I actually don't care about the bikes
I just like how fuckin goofy the Koraidon ride be
autumn vault
I don't regret picking Scarlet
polar canyon
Actually I don't regret picking Violet I just remembered I wanted this one version exclusive in my playthrough team
Eiscue
craggy dagger
i actually chose-
scarlet because of flutter mane 
autumn vault
Koraidon and Raging Bolt are some very good paradox mons
solid frigate
i'm fine with Picking Violet,Outfit is better and Miraidon is just funni
craggy dagger
flutter mane and scream tail were the main reason why i chose scarlet
solid frigate
also i have endless supply of Iron Hands
polar canyon
Koraidon and Raging Bolt are some very good paradox mons
Yeah and Boulder is mid and crown was good for one regulation
craggy dagger
i'm fine with Picking Violet,Outfit is better and Miraidon is just funni
pft-
school uniforms ew-
just wear the kitakami stuff
autumn vault
I have shinies for all non-shiny locked paradoxes
polar canyon
Oh yeah that too, blue outfits
autumn vault
I always wear the outfit Drayton gives you
solid frigate
pft-
school uniforms ew-
just wear the kitakami stuff
nah i wear Blueberry ones (Autumn Version specifically)
And i did wear Drayton's
autumn vault
iirc
polar canyon
pft-
school uniforms ew-
just wear the kitakami stuff
Yeah but we didn't know there would be outfits in the inevitable dlcs when the game released
craggy dagger
also i have endless supply of Iron Hands
i have an endless supply of flutter mane-
speaking of which i still need to do the all obtainable mark shiny flutter-
maybe i’ll do that today
polar canyon
It was obvious there would be dlc but not that there would be outfits
bold geode
pft-
school uniforms ew-
just wear the kitakami stuff
No
Cowboy hat
Yeehaw mfer
solid frigate
i have an endless supply of flutter mane-
speaking of which i still need to do t...
i mean in Current Reg,both are pretty even due to Flutter Mane Stonks go down
polar canyon
I miss the crown tundra orange baggy cargo pants
craggy dagger
i mean in Current Reg,both are pretty even due to Flutter Mane Stonks go down
i just want my every mark shiny flutter
solid frigate
I miss the crown tundra orange baggy cargo pants
Isle of Armor Outfit itself is fine
Female one has better hairstyle tho
solid frigate
i just want my every mark shiny flutter
fair
polar canyon
I just don't get why they removed this one hairstyle from swsh that is my actual hairstyle
It's back now
solid frigate
dunno
polar canyon
I think it's medium curly or something like that
zinc totem
out of random question: what is common tera for archaludons?
polar canyon
Soft curly
polar canyon
out of random question: what is common tera for archaludons?
Fairy
polar canyon
You could use ghost or electric or something
solid frigate
out of random question: what is common tera for archaludons?
Grass and Fairy
Fairy is better generally but Grass is for Amogus
polar canyon
Fairy is the most common for like a lot of dragon types
craggy dagger
out of random question: what is common tera for archaludons?
fairy, though flying was popular for a while
zinc totem
lost to archaludon beacuse i used d-meteor as i was more afraid ground tera lol
but was fairy
solid frigate
Fairy is the most common for like a lot of dragon types
and make Koraidon very sad due to Stamina abiility in Archaludon
polar canyon
With fairy you're taking draco meteors but also taking collision courses and close combats
craggy dagger
tera ground tera blast koraidon chi yu
zinc totem
tera ground tera blast zachian is so common ngl 
solid frigate
tera ground tera blast zachian is so common ngl <:LUL:574672073797009408>
i mean Incin-
bold geode
fairy, though flying was popular for a while
When?
bold geode
I never saw a single one of those
craggy dagger
dengo archa ran tera flying for a while
zinc totem
farigiraf is growing on me
i dislike it at first but somehow i just love how she looks
calm gulch
I never saw a single one of those
#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
zinc totem
anyoine had facepalm dumb moment? mine was protect 1v1 on unseen fist urshifu rapid strike
bold geode
#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
#BullyYosta 
zinc totem
i forgot totally that protect bypass
polar canyon
anyoine had facepalm dumb moment? mine was protect 1v1 on unseen fist urshifu ra...
Happens to everyone
Albeit
To some it happens a lot less
zinc totem
Happens to everyone
this was first time tbf
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
autumn vault
#BullyYosta <:gigumbreon:1115130854935646350>
I agree
See Yosta, you aren't the only one with those tricks
next stump
I forgot who here lives in Liverpool but looks like their locals are starting up in a couple of weeks
autumn vault
#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
#BullyYosta #YostaASMR
next stump
@molten oasis did you see Zacian won a 200 person online tour
autumn vault
Neat
bold geode
Was it the St Jude charity tour?
next stump
yeah
bold geode
Ah nice
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> did you see Zacian won a 200 person online tour
👀
That’s hype
nocturne holly
Real
autumn vault
Very good stats
molten oasis
I wonder what the team was
molten oasis
Very good stats
Why do you think I use it lol
autumn vault
Because its a very good mon and it's one of your favourites
chrome knot
@autumn vault im goat
molten oasis
Oh looks like it’s the same team that got 3rd at LA
autumn vault
<@1104069302946103348> im goat
Meanwhile i am at 6400 back from a break
chrome knot
i play competitively
autumn vault
But that looks like a very good lap
6th to 1st in just 12 seconds
And yes i can tell it's competitive
chrome knot
molten oasis
Damn you’re cracked at Mario kart
autumn vault
Now that Reg G and the next formats will most likely be a bit boring i can focus on the game more
Got bored of Reg G
autumn vault
OTOT, guess what
molten oasis
any ideas for a 6th?]
Bulky goggles ursh>sash
timber falcon
OTOT, guess what
what
autumn vault
At 148 HP EVs, Ray can survive a 116 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast
And 116 SpA is the most common SpA
timber falcon
Looks like it could struggle with ice rider
true
autumn vault
true
116 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 148 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza: 168-198 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
A reason to invest in bulk
craggy dagger
chicken butt !
timber falcon
116 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 148 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza: 168-198 (84.4 - 99....
hmm
fine ill invest some bulk
molten oasis
I’m not doing this argument again
timber falcon
always jsut slap on incin but when the time comes it doesnt synergise well, so ill look for ways it can help
timber falcon
and idk about overlapping chi-yu
molten oasis
If your mu into ice rider at least looks bad incin is usually the option to go towards but it’s too shallow so nvm
What does chi yu do for you?
zinc totem
how commonly people run double paradox teams? i've met 2 and lost 2 haha
timber falcon
csr, zama ect
chrome knot
left is my new license I made to have funky kong flamerunner favourite for auto select & right is the old license I used for like 7 years that had daisy mach as favourite lmfao
molten oasis
Wait why are you max hp chi yu with life orb?
molten oasis
Omg rapid strike took over as top used Mon lol
bold geode
Huh
autumn vault
left is my new license I made to have funky kong flamerunner favourite for auto ...
Yeah i am a noob compared to you
And the neat part is: I came back so i kind of am
molten oasis
autumn vault
Holy shit
molten oasis
Incin was too annoying
Rapid strike is a major incin answer if you’re team struggles into it
bold geode
Nuh Uh
autumn vault
Rapid strike is a major incin answer if you’re team struggles into it
Yes
chrome knot
Yeah i am a noob compared to you
thas okay I am a d1 runner...
autumn vault
And with Scarf and Tera Water it can kill most CSR
