competitive_discussion

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https://tenor.com/view/spin-kermit-the-frog-funny-feels-like-pool-gif-15324912

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@craggy dagger

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chargeeeee

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whaaaat-

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idunno

[solid frigate]

wait what server,NA or what

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pinging you is fun

[bold geode]

Not near my charger
Gotta hope I got a car charging port

[craggy dagger]

yus NA so we can all be frens

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[solid frigate]

ok

[bold geode]

Oke I be Nova fren

[solid frigate]

we be nova fren

i'm playing on PC so yeah

Me:Is a water type Fan

Also me:Firefly best girl

Also also me:Confusion

[molten oasis]

game 2 today i missed, 3 bleakwinds

[solid frigate]

F

[molten oasis]

and a play rough, they all mattered

[craggy dagger]

maybe bc firefly reminds you of another character?

[solid frigate]

idk really

[molten oasis]

literally win t2 if bleakwind broke the tera shell on an opposing terapagos

but nah it missed

[solid frigate]

maybe the mech looks familiar on something hmmm

[bold geode]

NOVA
I HAD A CAR CHARGER

[chrome knot]

ahah sily bean

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https://tenor.com/view/weekend-party-champagne-gif-18280013

THE PHONE IS CHARGING

[solid frigate]

oml am i about to download all night-

[craggy dagger]

shouldn’t take too long-
an hour to two at best

[solid frigate]

wtf is happening-

is my computer that bad-

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

i hate my pc somehow

the download is now faster but still

[molten oasis]

"just knock off CSR" does not work

also whats with the ttar CIR teams

ive seen multiple

[solid frigate]

i saw that everywhere

new sauce?

[molten oasis]

must be

Cybertron vid maybe

[solid frigate]

i think Lyco told me about that before

[molten oasis]

gouging groudon is also roaming around

ive seen a few here and there

no howl wtf

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm something cooking

[molten oasis]

snarl swipe blitz bulwark ig

[solid frigate]

its ok i guess

[craggy dagger]

mm more attacker makes sense though-

though blitz instead of crash

[molten oasis]

why would you make it gouging fire

[craggy dagger]

prolly for cir right?

[molten oasis]

chi yu is RIGHT there

hearthflame is RIGHT there

[craggy dagger]

hearthflame is-
okay i think-
idk i haven’t rlly seen what’s popular lately

[solid frigate]

I kinda think Hearthflame on Groudon kinda meh

Chi Yu tho. Y E S

[molten oasis]

all the ogers are good

wellspring being the current weakest

[solid frigate]

The download time is literally longer than i download Hinokami Chronicles and Genshin combined-

[molten oasis]

what game is that for

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https://tenor.com/view/firefly-hsr-honkai-star-rail-chibi-cute-gif-11370166770916121255

[molten oasis]

?

[solid frigate]

HSR- (Honkai Star Rail)

[polar nest]

this was sad, and boring https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151909713-cj5l6icdb5g9s40g542i4i0v5mwp0frpw

[molten oasis]

oh

ive only gotten sucked into arknights mobile game wise

[solid frigate]

And i am literally listening to Casino Park Zone from Sonic Heroes while waiting it

[solid frigate]

you are the second person that i know play this-

[molten oasis]

tower defense games are goated

[solid frigate]

i see

[molten oasis]

i think honkai genshin all those are just kinda boring

if i want an open world experience im gonna play, something better

[solid frigate]

i mean its fair if you don't like it with legit reason

[solid frigate]

Zelda BOTW+TOTK

[molten oasis]

elden ring

is better than both of those

[solid frigate]

ok that is some fire take tho

i think all 3 are masterpieces tho

[molten oasis]

im also not a major fan of TOTK/BOTW personally

i played BOTW, i completely understand the appeal

the combat is not that fun for me and elden ring has much better combat imo

[solid frigate]

fair

unless you use the zonai Machines lmao

[molten oasis]

also harder=more fun and rewarding

did either BOTW or TOTK win GOTY?

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@craggy dagger

[molten oasis]

BOTW won GOTY in 2017

TOTK didnt

[solid frigate]

because BOTW is more impactful during that time

tho TOTK is still my GOTY

[molten oasis]

oh it was competing agsinst PUBG???

P5, Odyssey

i would have voted Odyssey at the time

idt the competition was as steep as last year

[solid frigate]

i mean a fully Open world Zelda is kinda is a stepping stone for future games,but i would also Agree Odyssey as GOTY

[molten oasis]

yeaaaaa, yea TOTK had to fight Balders gate lol

[solid frigate]

BG3,Spooder Man 2

[molten oasis]

meh

[solid frigate]

at least TOTK won one

[molten oasis]

Elden Ring won 2022, which i was completely suprised about

I was so ready to see GoWR win that

[solid frigate]

they are both very close

meanwhile me:Xenoblade pilled

Tho i guess it makes sense for Elden Ring and GoWR to win

[molten oasis]

gonna be honest

Xenoblade wasnt beating elden ring

or GoWR

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

i accept that gladly

[molten oasis]

im curious about this year

in 2024 we have gotten, uhhhhh

P3R

Helldivers was this year

Dragons Daugma or whatever

[solid frigate]

idk man

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Destiny Final Shape and Shadow of the Erdtree

cant wait for Shadow of the Erdtree to win GOTY cuz the options are slim

or Mario and Luigi

[solid frigate]

honestly i would vote for M and L depend if its one of the most fine crafted ML game

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we shall see

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finally one hour left

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what can I use for support as a 6th here, pls help!

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what do you struggle against rn

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pft

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crying for my dear life cuz main goal right now is to get Best Girl Firefly-

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your phone is prolly better atp

but she should be back pretty soon cause she’s one of hoyo’s fav characters

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probably not rn but eh i can wait,also this download is probably worse than getting body pressed by +6 Zamazenta

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lmaooo

[solid frigate]

rn i'll just chill and maybe do some Photoshop

under an Hour rn

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there’s another download btw once you enter the game-

[polar nest]

uhh caly ice

and terapagos

[craggy dagger]

wait what’s the team

maybe i can help with my stupid niche knowledge

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/45ab0a5d80580a75

[solid frigate]

yep its inevitable that your worst MU is against Pagos

[polar nest]

i thought comfey was way less bulky than it is after looking at it

[polar nest]

yeaaa sigh

[solid frigate]

urshifu and Iron Hands are your only choice for Pagos Counter but that is also meh since Raging bolt exists

[polar nest]

are you saying u should use bolt or nah?

and lando been doing well against bolt

[craggy dagger]

if you’re feeling pressured from spread moves-
why not add a wide guard user

[polar nest]

so for bolt i have stuff covered

[polar nest]

smart

[craggy dagger]

the one i can think of-
since you said you’re having trouble with pagos is close combat fake out wide guard mienshao

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/51ab7e7a9d131a29

YOu can check my team if you want to counter my pagos

[polar nest]

ok

i think wg is smart tho

[craggy dagger]

though i’m not too sure how i feel about milotic

[solid frigate]

i think for me wide guard is not that big of an Issue now

[craggy dagger]

especially with marvel scale flame orb

if anything run scald competitive to check incin and other water weaks

[devout mist]

Mienshao tech

[solid frigate]

it exist since Early meta wdym-

[craggy dagger]

swsh ages

[solid frigate]

exactly

[devout mist]

Just tech it vs Terapagos if problem

[craggy dagger]

when tornoger was really popular

[polar nest]

i have scald

[devout mist]

just it's a tech that's it

[craggy dagger]

competitive ability with life orb or something would be my pick just cause then you can check incin and other stat drops

[solid frigate]

you can try to exploit that most Pagos are HO Pagos rn

[craggy dagger]

your moveset is fine

i’m just not feeling marvel scale flame orb

[polar nest]

hmm ok, ill try that

[devout mist]

got to respect the mbph / cm variant

[solid frigate]

i mean i am using CM pagos with HO teammates-

[craggy dagger]

like the defense bonus is great but it’d be better to try and capitalize stat drops from an incin thriving meta for the +2 boost

[polar nest]

does wide guard have priority?

[devout mist]

no

[craggy dagger]

+3 i think

[solid frigate]

same as FO

[dapper crag]

Move: Wide Guard

The user and its party members are protected from moves made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn that target all adjacent foes or all adjacent Pokemon. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Rock

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[polar nest]

O

[craggy dagger]

yeah it has prio

[polar nest]

ok

so i was think bastiodon

[craggy dagger]

+3 but you also have inner focus so you can just wide guard anyways

[foggy lodge]

ayo wtf

[devout mist]

oh you mean positive priority

[solid frigate]

also like CM Pagos makes against Miraidon and Kyogre MU way more manageable

[polar nest]

just cuz hes bulky

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 411: Bastiodon

Types

Rock/Steel

Abilities

Sturdy, Soundproof (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/52/168/47/138/30

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

wtf-

[polar nest]

yea

[polar nest]

wud

[craggy dagger]

you would be prone to fake out because even in priority brackets, the faster pokemon gets to use prio moves first

[solid frigate]

yeah not worth is

[devout mist]

isn't mienshao fast ?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[craggy dagger]

like-
bastiodon would be a cool pick bc it’s bulky and body press but

[polar nest]

prot on FO?

[devout mist]

fake out comes out of rillaboom incin and the hands

[craggy dagger]

it’s just a little too slow

[solid frigate]

Zamazenta and Kommo-o:

[devout mist]

which are all slow

[solid frigate]

Hitmontop:

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basically-
if they fake bastiodon out, you won’t be able to put up wide guard

[devout mist]

lol hitmontop

[craggy dagger]

because it’ll flinch

[devout mist]

throwback to ancient VGC

[polar nest]

ok

[solid frigate]

just use Mienshao for Terapagos MU if you don't want Urshifu

[polar nest]

so what else can be bulky wg

[devout mist]

Lunala

[craggy dagger]

no need for bulky though

[polar nest]

so mienshao?

[craggy dagger]

they already have shadow rider

[craggy dagger]

yep

[devout mist]

They could opt to build around Lunala I don't know

It's quite bulky and gets Wide Guard

[solid frigate]

part of the reason why i want to use Lunala in Doubles restricted

[polar nest]

im kinda new, and i heard caly was ez

[solid frigate]

buddy is single restricted

[devout mist]

It do be doing a lot of damage for no good reasons ha ha

Powercreep is real in gen 8/9

[solid frigate]

Calyrex is good,but until you see the turtle

(literally the turtle is design against Caly)

[craggy dagger]

mienshao is your best bet, but you can also run pelipper for weather control if you’d like

though then you won’t have a definite answer to take a good chunk out of terapagos

[devout mist]

not sure they designed terapagos with it countering a VGC restricted mon lol

[solid frigate]

idk i think some gen 9 mon are ok

[devout mist]

A lot of them are more then okay, that's the whole point of power creep

[polar nest]

Mienshao @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Wide Guard
• Fake Out
• Helping Hand
• Close Combat

[solid frigate]

Normal type,Can Hit Calyrex Shadow with Stellar Tera,Has Calm Mind

Tailwind makes HO Pagos Outspeed it

[craggy dagger]

sash-
it’s too frail to run leftovers

[polar nest]

ok

done

[devout mist]

These are all competitive considerations

[pine cloud]

"topmoth" ancient

[devout mist]

Terapagos looks designed in gen 9

[pine cloud]

It is wasn't it?

[devout mist]

Tera mechanic

[solid frigate]

i don't think i have that much issue against Caly Shadow due to Pagos Chi Yu is just so damn good even with CM Pagos (Usually this pair is built around HO Pagos)

[craggy dagger]

mm-
i have mixed feelings about terapagos though-
it’s cute and all which is why i run it but

[polar nest]

other than lefty which i fixed is this good?

[craggy dagger]

looks fine

[polar nest]

ok

[craggy dagger]

maybe 4EV into hp instead of SpDef

[solid frigate]

cute but a nuke

[polar nest]

ok done

[solid frigate]

not as big as Miraidon but it can do the job

[foggy lodge]

LMAOOO

[craggy dagger]

mmm-
it’s a bit underwhelming imo

[molten oasis]

third best restricted underwhelming?

[solid frigate]

i mean its fair,the damage output is lower than most restricteds

The bulk is insane tho

[craggy dagger]

it’s speed is a bit clunky-
you have to run specs or calm mind for actual damage-
but then again-
i haven’t rlly checked vgc lately so it could have changed

[molten oasis]

it hasnt lol

its specs or CM

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/51ab7e7a9d131a29 rn i run this,sorry Cresselia

[craggy dagger]

like you don’t get any other option-
it’s always specs or calm mind cloak

[molten oasis]

how do you think CIR players feel

[solid frigate]

CM Covert now

[molten oasis]

How do you think Zacian players feel

[craggy dagger]

not amu-
wtf am i saying

[molten oasis]

how do you think Zama players feel

[solid frigate]

how do you think Groudon players Feel

[molten oasis]

i could go on

if you're a physical attacker restricted you're forced into CA cuz incineroar

[solid frigate]

like literally 2 sets on Pagos and even the PHMB is already shown it can do stuff

[molten oasis]

if you're a special attacker its specs or set up

[solid frigate]

unless your name is Zamazenta

[molten oasis]

or zac

[craggy dagger]

well but with CIR-
it gets a built in howl when it KO’s something

zac and zama i can understand though

[molten oasis]

i should have just said howd you think i feel lol

[solid frigate]

Zac i guess its effected but it still gets neutral after attack boost

[molten oasis]

i only run 1 guy lol

[craggy dagger]

if you run CM, you’re prone to parting shot and SpA drops, if you’re specs, you’re not only prone to SpA drops but you’re also locked into one move

[pine cloud]

Is terapagos a tank pokemon?

[craggy dagger]

wait no

[molten oasis]

ok so what restricted do you like

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

calm mind is prone to parting shot-
specs is prone to just SpA drops

[craggy dagger]

been playing no restricted lately

[molten oasis]

how?

i'll say i do think building with a restricted can kinda suck at times

you're somewhat forced into an archetype once you pick one

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

mm

https://pokepast.es/f7c12f2f7254a7a8 tf does this team need

a lot of my losses feel due to me missplaying

[mighty stump]

Morning all

[craggy dagger]

just a fuck it we ball style chi yu flutter mienshao incin chandy for now

[molten oasis]

morning

hows life treating you

[craggy dagger]

Mienshao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Fake Out
• Wide Guard
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
  uh

[dull ibex]

Hi tofu

[solid frigate]

oml my laptop load so damn slow

[solid frigate]

ice spinner for terrains?

[molten oasis]

tera grass flutter ig is normal

ive seen many, kinda annoying ngl

[solid frigate]

avoid Spore and rage powder is so damn useful

[pine cloud]

Would tera electric on a pokemon with the levitate ability be any good?

[solid frigate]

pls no you just remove weaknesses but it would not change anything really

[pine cloud]

ah oki 👍

[solid frigate]

anyways

[molten oasis]

yk what it might be korai flutter

might genuiniely be flutter

[solid frigate]

more nightmare MU yooo

[molten oasis]

im in hell

[solid frigate]

i mean aren't we both have worse MU against Koraidon-

Zacian dies to Flare Blitz,Terapagos(Without Tera Shell) dies to Collision Course

[molten oasis]

no shed tail caly shit

AND HE CRIT MY ZACIAN

[solid frigate]

F

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-scream-shout-sad-gif-15786007

[solid frigate]

yeah this is literally me but with Kyogre

[craggy dagger]

yep

[devout mist]

It's a decent idea in Singles especially in lower tiers

[craggy dagger]

if im gonna run another attacking move for mienshao might as well make it a util move

[solid frigate]

its doubles

[devout mist]

that idea can be used in singles though

[bold geode]

Morning Tofu

[craggy dagger]

specs tera electric mismagius next to miraidon

[devout mist]

tera is not specific to doubles

[solid frigate]

not perish song-

[craggy dagger]

Good Mornie Tofu!!!
did ya sleep well?

[solid frigate]

I KNOW,but that person plays Doubles Ubers so thats why i say doubles

[molten oasis]

i won

[bold geode]

They're asking for doubles though, at least knowing prior context

[solid frigate]

YOOOOOOO

[molten oasis]

close one, damn that dude was at his winning game for 1700's too

[solid frigate]

Fs in the chat for him

[molten oasis]

yea

[craggy dagger]

oooo nice nice

[molten oasis]

monke, im still lost on a 6th lol

no plz no more flutters im so annoyed at the flutters of ladder rn

[bold geode]

Idfk lmao

[pine cloud]

CONGRATS!!!

[molten oasis]

thx ig

[devout mist]

gz

[craggy dagger]

grass energy ball?

[molten oasis]

no just, icy wind is irritating

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

and my bleakwinds dont know when to hit

and the t1 instand scald burn

funnn

this rilla would be dead

oh well, it happens

[solid frigate]

me chill

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/adf19ca25ac31927
oh this is no restricted team-

its flawed by a lot

but im having fun so who cares

is always a swap between grass and water blast chi yu
tera electric is...
an impulse tera

[solid frigate]

let Nova cook

[craggy dagger]

i should tera fairy or grass wtf am i doing

[solid frigate]

almost there

[bold geode]

Something lmao

[solid frigate]

12 more minutes

[craggy dagger]

am think whimsy for final

it’s whimsy or torn

[solid frigate]

yeah i slowly feel whimsy is the better one fr

[craggy dagger]

or i run tailwind taunt follow me smeargle

no. that’s an actually stupid idea

[graceful flare]

Run a restricted

[solid frigate]

i wanna die if you do that lmao

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

bro did not read what Nova said-

[craggy dagger]

what part of no restricted do you not understand

[molten oasis]

amoongusss funny shenaningans endgame

amoonguss has been winning me so many games lol

[craggy dagger]

i was actually considering shroom but i might want a little speed i think

[solid frigate]

also if you run smeargle i might uninstall hsr lmao (jk)

[molten oasis]

everyone says good morning to tofu, tofu:

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[craggy dagger]

this team is something you’d see in reg F

[solid frigate]

if it works in Reg F,most likely Reg G would be fine

[craggy dagger]

but like-
it’s been doing okay-
been swapping between giraffe (replace chandy) + whimsy, whimsy for 6, shroom + giraffe (replace chandy)
but ultimately i think i like chandy more

[solid frigate]

i see

I'm so damn close

[craggy dagger]

might run grass energy ball chandy

mm-
no
grass blast chi yu can deal with kyogre

and groudon iirc

[solid frigate]

oooooo let nova cook

[molten oasis]

You’re doing this in reg g?

[molten oasis]

I made people rage quit when I demolished their dozo with specs Tera grass Tera blast chi yu

[solid frigate]

i mean if nova just bored let her cook

[molten oasis]

In reg c, good times

I’m just asking chill

[nocturne holly]

reg c was the best

[solid frigate]

[nocturne holly]

Palabalnce was so easy to teambuild imo

[solid frigate]

i remember i tried Brute Bonnet out of all things lmao

worth it lmao

[pine cloud]

Why not Amoongus?

[nocturne holly]

I was running bax fun as hell

[solid frigate]

i was do some testing back in the day

[pine cloud]

ooh experimenting.

[solid frigate]

its worth it when it last,rn i always use Amogus

[pine cloud]

Amoongus is so broken imo

[solid frigate]

its fine

i'm not that Amogus weak

[molten oasis]

Eww

[nocturne holly]

alright what were you running

[solid frigate]

i think i remember i run Brute Bonnet Hydreigon lmao

idk what am i doing in Reg C

[craggy dagger]

yeah

restricteds are nice but all of them are really clunky feeling to me

[solid frigate]

Finally

[craggy dagger]

the one i had most success with was mirai and even then-

[solid frigate]

its more limited with a restricted cuz some teams prefer to not have a restricted

doubles is slightly better with more dynamic combos

[craggy dagger]

could run taunt shifu

[solid frigate]

tried it its pretty good against mons with Prankster

or dark types in general

Looking at you Grimmsnarl

[molten oasis]

It’s a good option

[solid frigate]

Kasandra (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 100 Atk / 4 Def / 164 SpD / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Taunt
• Detect

I'm just running this now,Goggles does not fit for me as i sometimes also want to taunt Amoonguss even with Rage powder

[craggy dagger]

mhm-
something like that i think

[solid frigate]

i think this is fine

[bold geode]

I'm sad
I missed out on a chance for a good set cuz they rolled between me and someone else with Siri and Siri chose other guy 😭

[solid frigate]

what-

the heck is siri doing here

[bold geode]

Being a bitch

I was excited to play a good set, now I'm just sad

[devout mist]

What did Siri do

[bold geode]

Be a bitch and not choose me

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Thx Nova

Now imma just hunt fucking feathers and listen to Lofi lol

[solid frigate]

take care

[molten oasis]

fair

[craggy dagger]

play hsr

[bold geode]

Bestie
I working on shit
Team almost done being built

[molten oasis]

Hsr?

[bold geode]

Fun fact; the Gholdengo I'm using for team here is actually the very first one I got and was on the very first comp team I had (it was ass lol)

[craggy dagger]

honkai star rail-

[solid frigate]

playing it rn

[bold geode]

Team built thank fuck

[craggy dagger]

i made some random changes-
https://pokepast.es/9bfaedbbaf8f6a6a

oh its a roll
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Tera Grass Chi-Yu Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 140-168 (79.5 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Beads of Ruin Tera Grass Chi-Yu Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156 SpD Groudon: 174-206 (84 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[charred saddle]

no restricted?

and why is it gmax

[craggy dagger]

easier to tell the difference

yeah no restricted teams
gonna sit and wait for a while...
every restricted feels clunky too me atm

[devout mist]

why do they feel clunky might I ask ?

[molten oasis]

Ah

[molten oasis]

Have you tried using a restricted in an unorthodox way or just the standard ways?

[craggy dagger]

i mean i try but-
it just doesn't feel right
most are just set in stone and if im playing Bo3 its worse

[molten oasis]

Hmm

What do you like playing

Just in general, like what kind of mons do you like playing

[craggy dagger]

the best i've gotten is this
https://pokepast.es/56404753d4148ac4

[molten oasis]

miraidon felt clunky?

[craggy dagger]

well no-
just the way i play it feels clunky-

[molten oasis]

mm, do you know how you play

[craggy dagger]

the team itself is fine i think

me and two other ppl tested the team and they got good results-

[molten oasis]

so, no offense, the issue is you?

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

mm

[craggy dagger]

no offense taken btw-
since half the teams i make are stupid

[molten oasis]

is there anything you havent tried?

i get the no restricted cuz they feel clunky to you but its a weakness to not run one

uhm,mm idk how you play i feel like thats half the battle here

[mighty stump]

Won my Region Rumble match

[molten oasis]

congrats

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

PaoShifu absolutely cooked

[molten oasis]

pao shifu too strong

are you on scarf or goggles shifu rn?

[bold geode]

Trying to get a Rayquaza picture
Why did it have to start fuckin storming

[molten oasis]

:/ nvm

[bold geode]

I CAN'T GET A GOOD ANGLE

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

gonna uh, just, mm

have fun ig

[bold geode]

Idek where good spot at

[mighty stump]

Do you want my picture again.

[bold geode]

Thing is
Yours is shiny
Mines not lol

[mighty stump]

Sucks to suck

[patent marsh]

L bozo

[craggy dagger]

max max taunt mystic shifu?
or should i calc smth for bulk?

[bold geode]

Unless Tofu wants to contribute to the only Rayquaza rental there will be here 👀

[mighty stump]

If you're Mystic Water imo bulk is huge

Like you're rarely outspeeding some things so might as well leverage bulk

[craggy dagger]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (F) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 172 SpD / 60 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Detect
• Taunt
  i have no clue what am doing-
  time to start calcing

[bold geode]

Fuck it Tofu, I'll take your Ray picture
Imma try to do an Urshifu picture, hope that works out

@mighty stump gib pic

[mighty stump]

Woops I only have the finished product w the sprite mb

[bold geode]

Damn

[bold geode]

Where'd you take the pic at least

[craggy dagger]

yay...?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2152000834-tis7lql44lua2ubzgfjoiff39uwlkzmpw

[mighty stump]

Pride Rock equivalent in the Terrarium

Where you find that one Pyroar

[bold geode]

Ah

[graceful flare]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DLQ16YXOuBo?si=YqUUx4i-5hQBdnno

[bold geode]

Rate
(Probably straight ass)

[mighty stump]

That's pretty aight, I would get Urshifu a lot closer in though

I like that

[bold geode]

That good
This is a Rayquaza pic
I swear they're always closer than it fuckin turns out

Cuz this mfer don't react to music

[craggy dagger]

"f**k this im done with life. lemme lie here"
vibes

[bold geode]

He take nappy poo

Like I was pretty close for this one

And it still looks far AF

Of course it wants to do proportions a bit better when I'm in its fucking face

Think I'm just using these ones tbh

Cuz no matter how close I get, the distance proportions are ALWAYS wrong

No matter what I do lmao

Now might type out some stuff to make some progress and that's all I'll have in me for the night lol

I was finally fucking productive for once

[craggy dagger]

the opposite vibes they give off

[bold geode]

Fuck does
God
Oh I was worried another of my mons had no picture, but it's in the fucking dex

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[craggy dagger]

sword duel it is

[chrome knot]

gun

[bold geode]

Jesus

[craggy dagger]

pft-
quickdraw?

[chrome knot]

no i shoot

gl!

[craggy dagger]

fine-
one free shot
lets see if you can land it

[bold geode]

Did y'all ever have the kid in Rock Paper Scissors who'd pull out Jesus?

[chrome knot]

what.

[bold geode]

Like they'd be like "Rock Paper Scissors God"

[chrome knot]

not good looks im sleepy

overwatch made angwy

[craggy dagger]

ah

[chrome knot]

yus

literally me

[bold geode]

Fuckin toilet gargled back at me
Almost made my fuckin fight or flight kick in

[chrome knot]

…?

yeah i think im gonna go to bed

[bold geode]

Hey it's 1am
I wasn't thinking straight
Tbf they're working on plumbing around these apartment complexes lately so

[craggy dagger]

yeah go sleep

its 2 am for u

[chrome knot]

2:16am

im hungry tho

yknow what would be crazy rn

driving to detroit for dennys

[bold geode]

Me
Nvm that was before

[bold geode]

Just why lmao

[chrome knot]

they have a secret grilled cheese menu

[bold geode]

Oooh grilled cheese do sound fire rn

Idk why

Also I thought we were same time zone

Do y'all not do that Daylight Savings bullshit?

[chrome knot]

..?

ur central….

im eastern

[bold geode]

I thought you were Central

[chrome knot]

no

[bold geode]

Tbf yeah I was probably thinking wrong whole time cuz I argued with Nova the other day about where tf Quebec was

I need a fuckin map

[chrome knot]

and when you asked if i was going to vancouver regional

[bold geode]

Look
Idk
Hell the only part of Canada I know is Central is Winnipeg

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah

[solid frigate]

i'm so fucking tired after sometime of Honkai

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/1558118dfe7e9405 edited the ray team a bit

dengo wasnt really doing the job i wanted to do

[mighty stump]

I’m never a fan of Sing Clef

[timber falcon]

i need to remake the team anyway

[autumn vault]

I have a few questions i want to ask:

1. Why go 252 Spe Rayquaza? It's ok and it can be worth the investment but you have E-Speed
2. Why sing Clef?

[timber falcon]

forgot most of my reasoning and things arent clicking

[mighty stump]

Well just because something has ESpeed doesn’t mean you don’t need Spe investment

Lol

[autumn vault]

And also not a fan of incin with more than 4 attack but i can see use cases for that

[autumn vault]

Ik that, just think that you should outspeed some stuff (examples Fast incin and Pelipper, more examples are valid) but not that much

[timber falcon]

i didnt see a reason i shouldnt go max speed

what specifically would i try live?

[autumn vault]

Ok, what about Urshifu CC with Tera Normal Ray

[timber falcon]

honestly idt thats worth calcing

[autumn vault]

No forget about that

Just max attack, hit a specific speed tier and dump rest on bulk

[timber falcon]

for what reason

[autumn vault]

68 outspeeds 252 jolly incin

[autumn vault]

It can matter killing them before they make their next move

Like killing incin before it uses Knock Off on Ray and switches out

You can outspeed it with 68 speed to prevent that from happening in most cases

[timber falcon]

but why bulk ??

im still not seeing the point of not being as fast as possible

[autumn vault]

You can live some random hits you wouldn't think you live

[timber falcon]

like

[autumn vault]

It can always be useful

[timber falcon]

so can speed

[autumn vault]

Then just hit a speed tier that you want to hit

LIke 68 for 252+ incin
or 108 for 252+ Pelipper

That way you can save up some E-Speed PP and kill them directly without the need of tera

[timber falcon]

hm

[autumn vault]

Plus saving up E-Speed PP can matter

It almost never will matter but it can matter when it can

[timber falcon]

in what case are you talking abt lol

i have dragon ascent

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

I'm referring to KO'ing with D-Ascent

And not E-Speed

[timber falcon]

max speed alrdy solves that

[autumn vault]

Just max attack, hit a specific speed tier and dump the rest on bulk

I would go with 108 to outspeed 252 timid pelipper

Or you can go with Tofu's spread

[mighty stump]

I feel this is like

Reaching into niche scenario case that isn’t worth considering

If you’re playing something as set-up/powerful as Rayquaza I don’t think you should be at a point you need to be saving ESpeed PP

Like if you’re not taking KOs at that point

You’re doing something wrong

[autumn vault]

I will just stick to this answer, seems like the most logical one

[timber falcon]

idk

[mighty stump]

I’m not seeing it

[timber falcon]

there are many many cases where espeed wont be the move, and in those cases i wanna be fast as possible for dragon ascent

[autumn vault]

Thats why speed tiers exist

To outspeed what you need to outspeed

[timber falcon]

But what am I missing

[autumn vault]

I'm just going to stop here

Just read

[timber falcon]

all I’m seeing is “bulk useful, hit speed tier”

[mighty stump]

Imo minimum speed is at least +1 more than max speed Incineroar, just to avoid Wisp potential lol

From there its pretty much up to you to asjust

[autumn vault]

Thats exactly what i'm saying

[timber falcon]

Adjust*

[mighty stump]

Do you wanna spend time correcting my typos or do you wanna listen and get better at the game

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’ll just read

[timber falcon]

But I’m tryna say, why isn’t max speed just as useful in random scenarios

[mighty stump]

Rayquaza essentially has very positive synergy with Watershifu, I think that’s essentially a must. Pao is fine but I don’t personally believe is as necessary

Other things as a requirement is a definite way to deal with opposing Pao, which again, Scarfshifu can provide.

[timber falcon]

Ik that’s why I’m remaking the team, starting with ray

[mighty stump]

Yeah okay I’m just suggesting

I’m bloody aware

[timber falcon]

Eh maybe just my memory isn’t as good

So when it comes to activating ray is where my troubles arrive

Idk how to get sd safely

[mighty stump]

😪

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

[autumn vault]

Three words: Bulk and Support

Support from allies obviously

[mighty stump]

Against FO leads you basically just have to force an unfavourable 50/50 to punish a FO into either slot. Alternatively is to have Follow Me + Ray, and double Protect on the FO turn

Or just do a mirror

[timber falcon]

So amoongus can help here

[autumn vault]

Yeah

Helps Ray set up and fixes the Farig TR MU

[mighty stump]

But the FO mirror has to guarantee the opposing sideslot isn’t an issue for Ray

[mighty stump]

Not necessarily, if they lead Goggles + FO, and in that scenario Wisp Incin is still pretty much open

[timber falcon]

True true

[mighty stump]

Not a bad option

[timber falcon]

How about tera ghost shifu

[mighty stump]

Incin + Amoonguss can force a lot of readable plays

[mighty stump]

Works fine, but just be aware that makes the team more weak to Pao post Tera. Probably not in the same game/MU but yeah

Alternatively as well

[timber falcon]

True

[mighty stump]

Annihilape has been seeing play since Underhill used it and personally I think Scarf Ape is incredibly good into Balance rn

[timber falcon]

Gambit + coaching set?

[mighty stump]

So Coaching/CC/Gambit and U-Turn/Shadow Clas

Coaching also not super nexessary

But this takes away the scarf item from Urshifu

[timber falcon]

I mean I could run smth like goggles ?

[mighty stump]

Goggles/Sash/MW

[timber falcon]

Though It depends on what ima give pao

[mighty stump]

Life Orb/Sash

[timber falcon]

Hmmm

[mighty stump]

But again, I don’t think Pao is necessary for Ray

[timber falcon]

Oh?

I thought it was a must have

[autumn vault]

He said that before

[timber falcon]

lol I only read the 1st half

[mighty stump]

i mean the SoR buff is nice but I don’t think it’s as necessary hot take

[autumn vault]

You know Ray way better than us

[mighty stump]

Since at +1 HH Support is enough and +2 you don’t even need it

[autumn vault]

Fair

[timber falcon]

Ok so l

Would tailwind be a benefit?

[autumn vault]

Plus we can't forget Ray Pao Shifu have a combined 3x fairy weakness

And with ape, it's looking super weak to flutter and Zac

[mighty stump]

So another way if you don’t want Ape is to also just run Redirection + Ray + Soe Control like Whimsi/Torn

Preferrably Whimsi since Torn has overlapping coverage

[timber falcon]

I like the idea of redirecting

[mighty stump]

and Encore locks are always nice since you can build up pressure

and force Protects

Id consider something like Clef for FG, and Electabuzz can be for Zama MUs/Static could come in handy. Smeargle + Decorate also works

Tends to be a very sacrificial Redirector since most of your momentum is going to come from when your Speed Control comes in for free

[timber falcon]

I thought smeargle was hated here

[mighty stump]

You can hate something and still see its value

[timber falcon]

So it works in this meta?

[mighty stump]

Smeargle works better the higher power the format is

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

I think electabuzz helps more though

Since sash doesn’t get used by it

[autumn vault]

If you want to counter Zama specifically then why not run Volcarona or Magmar? Burning Zama is also very valuable, static is very useful i will admit but cutting the damage in half and small chip seem very valuable

[timber falcon]

It’s not only for zama

[mighty stump]

Because when Rockpon appears to ruin your day I’m not gonna be held responsible

[autumn vault]

Actually fair enough

[timber falcon]

People run zama and rockpon!

?*

[mighty stump]

The Static value is better for giving you the chance to DAscent post para

I’m just looking at the bigger picture lol. Electabuzz also gets VSwitch for pivot turns if desirable so you can run something multimodal

Its easy to see Ray + Farig + Ursaluna as well since that was my initial team and to me is still one of the better variatikns

its also more useful into Miraidon

[timber falcon]

Got it

[autumn vault]

We know this far: Rayquaza and it's stuff
Shifu has great synergy with Ray
Pao is not completely neccesary for Ray teams since Helping Hand and stuff exists
Whimsicott is great on the team
Clef/Electabuzz look great as redirection
Magmar and Volcarona get bonked by Cornerstone and so does Ray so not them
Smeargle looks decent

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

[autumn vault]

In a nutshell

[timber falcon]

Why does shifu work well with ray? Might’ve missed the reasoning

[autumn vault]

I'm not Tofu but Urshifu-R does counter Ice that Ray despises
It also does great into Rock that Ray hates

And also Unsees Fist making protect plays less common

[mighty stump]

Air Lock punishes Groudon/Koraidon post-Tera and retains the threat factor of Watershifu. This also goes double for the fact most Flutter Manes will be either Specs/Focus Sash so they are more liable to getting KO’d without access to Protosynthesis +Spe

And also hurts Chien-Pao

[timber falcon]

Ok thanks, just wanted to know so I remember how the duo works

[mighty stump]

This also improves the Zama MU indirectly with crits

Also a thing to note is that Air Lock can be used to scout Speeds via the activation order

[timber falcon]

Oh btw

[autumn vault]

Like for example, booster speed mons?

[timber falcon]

I noticed electabuzz gets vital spirit

[mighty stump]

Its for anti sleep

[autumn vault]

Oh wait i did not read that second part clearly

[mighty stump]

Since you’re using Eviolite

[timber falcon]

Ok so I can interchange between static and that ?

Idk which gives more value

[mighty stump]

Yeah so it’s up to you

Static is good, Vital Spirit also good

Im a lot less concerned about Spore if you have Rayquaza

and you can always slot in Taunt

[autumn vault]

These are the usage rates for the abilities

But Static looks better on the team than Vilat Spirit

Have you decided on a 6th member OTOT?

[timber falcon]

Haven’t even decided 4th

[autumn vault]

I have Ray Pao Shifu Whim Electabuzz

[timber falcon]

I mean 5th, pao isn’t 100% in I’d say

[autumn vault]

I can see why

[timber falcon]

first off id like to properly account gameplans into certain MUS

like the calys

[autumn vault]

Chien Pao does great into the Calyrexs

[timber falcon]

hm

[autumn vault]

Which are annoying for Ray

[timber falcon]

so basically an offensive dark type works

cause i see 2 options

rn ive also got whim, which can go woth chi-yu

But then it can be argued that both work?

Eh nvm

[mighty stump]

got a pagos keychain

[devout mist]

It looks nice

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-gif-14006288

[mighty stump]

Also pkmn concierge slippers for my studio

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja-hands-gif-14790740

[wanton berry]

Hi I'm new to the competitive scene and open to suggestions but my team has this for the G format; Koraidon, Salemance, Blissey, and Eelektross, not sure if I will change Eelektross but I Honestly think this is a good setup so far.

[mighty stump]

Generally Koraidon has some pretty set members it almost has to run such as Raging Bolt, preferrably Flutter Mane as well

Blissey and Eelektross are at the bottom of the viability ladder nad Salamence already overlaps with the desired members weakness wise.

[chrome knot]

confused why literally any of those pokemon

[craggy dagger]

why not?

[chrome knot]

be fr.

[bold geode]

I mean Koraidon good but other than that eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh

[nocturne holly]

how do I get the pink color

[chrome knot]

be an ally

its for pride lmao

[bold geode]

I'm an ally....

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

I GET NOMMED

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

[wanton berry]

I got room to change so flutter mane and I was thinking glimora

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/4_R36PvhiHI

[mighty stump]

Wow that thumbnail is like a hate crime

[bold geode]

LOL

That is extremely a hate crime lmao

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger idt cats have their whiskers & blush from the hair

[bold geode]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I WAS WANTING TO BUY A ZAMA PLUSH BUT THEY'RE SOLD OUT

[autumn vault]

#eid_1504

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

A random question about a flag will appear and you have to answer it correctly to get the pink Name

[autumn vault]

What a hate crime, i love it!

[craggy dagger]

you’ll also have your name altered if it’s not long like lyco’s

[autumn vault]

I changed my username to this

[chrome knot]

look at ur pfp

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

This is interesting

Trust me i COOKED with my team you can see there

It has: Very physically bulky Rilla
Slightly bulky Scarf Shifu
Tera Rock Zama
Clear Amulet Stone Edge ttar

[craggy dagger]

did u?
all i see is meta, niche but meta, menace, menace, queen (but menace), menace

[mighty stump]

Instant ramen levels of cooking

[craggy dagger]

instant noodles and green onions -

[autumn vault]

I just started testing the team

[chrome knot]

2 eggs

[autumn vault]

But i can understand why you would doubt it

[craggy dagger]

sounds yum

[chrome knot]

2 eggs is kinda ambitious

maybe one

[craggy dagger]

may i ask-
what rilla isn’t very bulky???

also why would you tera rock if steel gets the bonus from sandstorm (iirc) anyways?

i mean i can see the appeal of being shredded down by rilla, kyogre, urshifu rapid-
but like still

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/4bf71b60c2a4df53 The team

See for yourself : )

[autumn vault]

Rock gets the 50% Sp Def buff from sand, steel doens't

[craggy dagger]

ah ok-
i somehow remember steel getting something from sandstorm

[autumn vault]

Steel does not take sandstorm chip

Neither does rock and ground

[craggy dagger]

ah-
that’d be it

[autumn vault]

Also Safety Goggles pokemon do not take sand chip either

[craggy dagger]

same with umbrella ik that much

[autumn vault]

Or Overcoat mons, most notable example is Kommo-O

[sonic raven]

Ciao

[craggy dagger]

yes i know how items and abilities work-
i just don’t know type and weather interactions that well

[autumn vault]

Thats ok

As long as you dont use them its fine

[craggy dagger]

u trying to comfort me-??
either way-
am gonna go back to working on the no restricted team

[wanton berry]

What do u guys think abut my team having a Meowscrada or Cinderace with the type change ability

[craggy dagger]

uh

[autumn vault]

You're going back to being a chef with a lot of talent for uniqueness?
Honestly not a bad idea

[craggy dagger]

i mean i never left that kitchen-

[autumn vault]

Neither are great, Meow is better

There are better options than those two

[wanton berry]

Like who would u suggest

[autumn vault]

For Meow? Rillaboom, Ogerpon and Amoonguss are better choices
For Cinderace? Incineroar, Ogerpon-Hearthflame and Volcarona

[craggy dagger]

cindy is better imo-
but meow works ig?

[wanton berry]

Funny thing was I was thinking about volcarona

[chrome knot]

volcarona on the right team* is really good

[autumn vault]

Wolfe changed the thumbnail for this video

[patent marsh]

you sure your opponent wasn't the one cooking a team

[autumn vault]

That same team comp appeared in NAIC

[wanton berry]

What is a good move set for flutter mane

[autumn vault]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 172 HP / 132 Def / 68 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Icy Wind
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2152217145-fpplv48b5ni26eenzzpebhuli13fk7ipw lol

[craggy dagger]

that’s-
an interesting set (battle)

[autumn vault]

Terapagos deserves No 2 imo

Above Snorlax

Under M-Kang

Since it is too early to judge a meta threat with a new restricted who is also a meta threat

[nocturne holly]

How do I become an ally

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/10a5409cacd90cc6 hows it looking?

not sure about 6th, decided i got more value out of pao than chi-yu

[autumn vault]

I have the same members as you, idk either

Probably look at munchstats usage

[timber falcon]

?

[autumn vault]

Munchstats

The website a lot of us have been using

[timber falcon]

nah i dont think thats very reliable for the approach im taking with this team

[autumn vault]

What about Incineroar?

Or Hearthflame?

You get some extra support and the FWG Core

[timber falcon]

im actually looking at rilla rn

like the FO pressure

[autumn vault]

You still get it from Incineroar

Fake Out pressure

[nocturne holly]

what is your approach

[autumn vault]

And lets be honest, Grassy Terrain needs Ray to tera to affect it

So not super reliable for a flying type

Eh, it terastalizes a lot

[timber falcon]

redirection ray team, most run straight HO which i dont believe munchstat team members have the synergy

[autumn vault]

Then go Ogerpon Hearthflame

[timber falcon]

not as fast

[autumn vault]

Gets you the FWG core, redirection and more offensive pressure

[timber falcon]

i want the last member to be fake out mon tbh

[autumn vault]

And it also has other support moves like Taunt, Swords Dance, Focus Energy, etc.

[timber falcon]

focus energy and swrods dance arent really support moves, more like set up

[autumn vault]

Hariyama, Hands, Mienshao and Tinkaton are options

If i were you i would go Mienshao

Thats all i got for offensive pokemon with HO and FO

[timber falcon]

the core of shifu, pao and ray honestly gives me all the HO i need

[nocturne holly]

Tbh I do like rilla more on this

[timber falcon]

last member doesnt have to be too Offensive

[nocturne holly]

incin doesn’t look bad either

[autumn vault]

You're making this unnecesarily complicated

You already have enough HO

So just go incin, mienshao, tink or rilla

[timber falcon]

im just thinking

of which provides mst value

meinshao gives me a 4x fairy weakness

[nocturne holly]

YOOO IM PINKK

[timber falcon]

rilla does give passive healing, but it doesnt apply to ray

[nocturne holly]

Mienshao doesn’t really give much value other than FO

Rilla and incin give more value

[timber falcon]

tinkaton does give FO and fairy resist

also feint

and ignores farig

[foggy lodge]

But is fairy resistance that good?

[timber falcon]

i have a 3x weakness to it rn

[autumn vault]

POG

[timber falcon]

so yes

[autumn vault]

Then go Tinkaton

Thats literally it

[timber falcon]

still thinking

[nocturne holly]

Or just play with your 5 members and see what you need

that usually helps a lot

[autumn vault]

Or that

You are making this unnecesarily complicated

[timber falcon]

ive been doing that for a while, might just keep going

(testing out the 5

[foggy lodge]

honestly i don't think it's so important

There are like 3-4 fairy types in the meta and all of them are played like supports

[timber falcon]

flutter and draining kiss csr bro

things i gotta account for

[timber falcon]

literally just brainstorming. not tryna think just black and white

[autumn vault]

Go. For. A. Fairy. Resist

[bold geode]

People talking in here, crazy

[autumn vault]

You don't need FO pressure on every team

It just makes teams good automatically

[timber falcon]

hense the brainstorming

[bold geode]

?

I mean kinda but it's also good

[timber falcon]

this is the reasoning im not tryna go with lmao

[bold geode]

Like there's not really anything wrong with wanting it

[autumn vault]

Don't get me wrong FO pressure is really good but its not needed on every team there is

Most teams use it because its very good

And Fake Out related reasons

[bold geode]

Also did I just read that Swords Dance is a support move?

[autumn vault]

Yeah that was a bit dumb

Its a status move

[timber falcon]

i know

[autumn vault]

If you want a Fairy Resist then go Tinkaton for FO if you're so insistent on it

I'm losing a lot of patience rn

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

What even is the fucking problem lol

[autumn vault]

OTOT wants to add a FO mon and a fairy resist

I suggested Tink but he denies it for whatever reason he has

[bold geode]

You can do that with 2? Hell Incineroar is technically fine

[autumn vault]

He has a 3x fairy weakness

And we did suggest incin before

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger why is ur name like a super mouthful rn

[shut schooner]

Would anyone in here be interested in a tournament that prize will be a Shiny artibax

[timber falcon]

sorry if it felt liek i was saying that

i was considering what to add lol

as i did repeat multiple times, just brainstorming

[craggy dagger]

added name from event :0

[shut schooner]

One Contender is going to Worlds and there are plenty of top-tier opponents the June tournament is a doubles tournament with a Ban list you're only allowed one Legend that's not on the ban list per team the ban list only consists of Legends mainly box legendaries with a couple exceptions

[bold geode]

You can probably get around it with teras too tbh
The resist might not be 100% a necessity

[craggy dagger]

yeah

oh hey this team isnt bad
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2152254992

[chrome knot]

the fuck is this team

how do I log into someone elses account

[craggy dagger]

its not gonna delete it

[chrome knot]

ill delete it for you...

[craggy dagger]

nuu

delete me instead-

[spiral ridge]

No deleting nova

Here em I’ll show you a swsh team you’ll want to delete 😭

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-drag-tanaka-kun-is-always-listless-shiraishi-drag-away-gif-24683543

[spiral ridge]

[craggy dagger]

wai-
where we goin-?

[chrome knot]

taking you away.

[bold geode]

And everyone bye bye lol

Dead chat

[feral wraith]

[bold geode]

Frfr

[spiral ridge]

Revive it with no attacking move blaziken?

[bold geode]

Yeah go play VGC Scotty

[spiral ridge]

Yknow what

Hospital WiFi fuck it lemme try

HOMY SHIT MAYBE!??

HAHAHAHAHAH ITD WORKING

AND YES I KNOW THE WR RARIO SUCKS BUT IDC

[bold geode]

Fuck it
I can't watch, just knowing the fact you're suffering in some way brings joy

[spiral ridge]

I really gotta try a miraidom team sometime

You know the rental code for the one that one the first tournament it was allowed in? Beat a terapagos team for the win

[bold geode]

I do not actually

[spiral ridge]

Fair, couldn’t hurt to ask

Fuck I’m dumb

Shittt I forgot oger will always have a grass move

Mask made me confident 😭

[bold geode]

Lol which one

[spiral ridge]

Fire

So I didn’t Tera kyogre cus well

Dumb brain thinks water beat fire

[bold geode]

Yeah they always have like
Wood Hammer or some shit
Grassy Glide if with Rilla

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

I forgot. Big mess up but I think I’m recovering it?

I lived on 7hp somehow

Nah couldn’t recover. Oh well fair enough I was big dumb

The hell

[bold geode]

They cookin trust

[spiral ridge]

They thunder caged me

Is it fucking stall

Dude suicune lived at 0 hp and got the tailwind off

Fuckkk

I just got a lucky crit on origin pulse to fuck over his volt switch into leafeon lol

Ah shit the dog

I won :)

[molten oasis]

Found it

Why are people pink?

[spiral ridge]

What way I looked away

How did an overqwil one tap my kyogre

[willow vault]

They wanted to be I guess

[bold geode]

They're gay Drago
It's gay time

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Don't do that lmao

[molten oasis]

But it’s funny

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-kermit-the-frog-funny-feels-like-pool-gif-15324912

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

#eid_1504 the pink name comes from guessing flags, this is an example of one of the channels with that

[nocturne holly]

W switch joycons

[spiral ridge]

The TOTK oled is a spectacle