competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Caly’s can just Tera away from wicked blow

[cyan smelt]

Sad that kingambit fell off

[molten oasis]

If only the caly’s couldn’t Tera

That and gambit gets kinda demolished by stuff at times

[cyan smelt]

urshifu and hands

and ursaluna bm

and zamazenta too and chien pao

[patent marsh]

Koraidon and Zacian sometimes too

[cyan smelt]

yeah it loses to a lot of restricteds

sadge because i like kingambit

[cyan smelt]

i miss yveltal

[foggy lodge]

AV Gambit tanks a Choice Specs Electro drift from what i remember

I don't know if i calced it right because it was long ago lol

[foggy lodge]

Me when i fight against Calyrex

[molten oasis]

and does what back

[foggy lodge]

Great thing because i didn't think of that lol

Nah it doesn't do anything in this meta

[cyan smelt]

it can't ohko farig with the def boost farig gets

[mighty stump]

Whew

Finally moving in and now unpacking and cleaning

[molten oasis]

pog

[timber falcon]

Anything interesting happening

Or like no competitions until worlds

[mighty stump]

Nothing til worlds

Personally im writing a special blog post and doing the draft/team leavues

[polar canyon]

It was a pretty bad time for me to decide I want to go to any small irl event nearby

I have time to focus on improving ig

If I can make time for that along with focusing for college

I'm finally getting better at studying alone but the energy it takes is getting to me

So tired

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/2a1519472bbe12d2

Ho-oh team I’ve been killing it with

[autumn vault]

What am i seeing?

Shiftry with tailwind, incorrect defense evs on Scizor, Hariyama being there despite not being a tr team, too much bulk on Bolt, i could go on

Also akward evs on Landorus and Ho-Oh, no Sandsear Storm on Scarf Landorus

This team is heavily flawed

How are you doing good with it?

[mighty stump]

Well I would say Hariyama doesn't need to be on TR teams, and it's fine if he doesn't want to Sandsear despite being questionable. The Raging Bolt EVs are also preferential

and Shiftry is self setting TW, which to me is more awkward than anything

Since the point of Wind Rider is to have immediate offense + the speed control, mainly

[chrome knot]

retirement time for mee

[autumn vault]

I don't really like Raging Bolt with more than 148 HP evs with 140 or 148 defense, i like tanking some hits and not go further

[chrome knot]

gl next season @next stump im not winning the pay2win top75 race

[mighty stump]

Lmao

They really said

accessibility

sike

[balmy glen]

ezpz

[chrome knot]

ezpz imma go play overwatch instead

[mighty stump]

Now the world can feel SEA’s pain

[next stump]

jesus lol

[chrome knot]

i will be quitting while im ahead tbh

[balmy glen]

i will personally be (hopefully) winning the pay2win top 75 race

and by paying to win is driving day of tournament and sleeping in thy car

[mighty stump]

Jokes on you I applied to be a janitor at the venue so I can live there in the closet

[chrome knot]

best of luck soldier

ill be cheerin for you & dillon lmao

[mighty stump]

Good luck to both of you lol

[next stump]

I got 50th last season so I would still have made it, I just fucking hate the fact it’s a rotating benchmark

I’m going to have to go into events like NAIC at the end of the year rooting for people I know to do poorly in order for me to maintain my spot

[upbeat quail]

Good point with the shiftry comment there. I’ll have to make some tweaks to this team

[balmy glen]

bet

see u there

[bold geode]

Jokes on you, I took over owning the venue

[mighty stump]

Is that doug dimmadome

owner of dimmsdale dimmadome

[bold geode]

Lmao

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[balmy glen]

i only finished with 600 points but i didnt try until february so i should be fine

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/hat-gif-21764991

Actual footage of me

[bold geode]

Yeah that's the worst part
You can go to all the regionals, and then come NAIC your ass could get knocked out

[autumn vault]

I feel like i saw that hat before but idk the name of the character

[mighty stump]

Doug Dimmadome, owner of Dimsdale Dimmadome

[autumn vault]

Oh yeah, now i remember the name, thanks for reminding me

[bold geode]

Tofu did you see my DM

[mighty stump]

no

Ok

Just saw

Mkaes sense

[bold geode]

Lmao

[upbeat quail]

I decided to drop the shiftry on my team for a Whimsicott.

It gives me fairy coverage and access to encore.

[mighty stump]

Ok I need an actual team

Is it my time to play Caly-Ice

[bold geode]

Doth thou need Rayquaza Hitmontop?

[mighty stump]

Hell no

[bold geode]

"I said an actual team"

[stark kindle]

Caly ice, Durama, alolan ninetails, vikibolt.

This is the team monke told me to use

[mighty stump]

Wow

That's a bannable offense to lie to a mod like that

[bold geode]

I didn't say shit

That wasn't me, there's no monkeys in that list Mickey

[stark kindle]

Rillarooom, orangaru, everstone grookey, annihilape

[bold geode]

Ehe I gotta get outta here

https://tenor.com/view/running-iloveyou-crying-sad-anime-gif-18326610

[mighty stump]

BAN HIM MICKEY

GET EM

GET THE HAMMER

https://tenor.com/view/hammering-plankton-spongebob-squarepants-bashing-battering-gif-25583117

[bold geode]

Mickey chasing me be like

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-run-jujutsu-kaisen-shibuya-infinite-void-run-gif-17305647615622767889

[next stump]

holy fuck why is there no IC BFL?!

pokémon speedrun killing their game

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/6f20f1fa62dae62a is icy wind ok for the last slot on torn?

[mighty stump]

Icy Wind Torn is p aight

[timber falcon]

Bruh I went to see how Pokémon TCG is going and half of the good cards are banned.

[bold geode]

Cuz they apparently love and hate money at the same time

[autumn vault]

Incineroar has 252 HP EVs, you won't get the full 1/4th of the restoration from Sitrus Berry, you can optionally try 236 HP EVs to get the full 1/4th recovery from it

Also i'm not a fan of 2 Attacking moves on Farigiraf without SpA investment

In Tailroom teams you can go with 252 Spe 252 SpA and 4 Sp Def for Blood Moon

[nocturne holly]

Foul play doesn’t use sp atk so its just Tera blast

[autumn vault]

True

[nocturne holly]

I tried that and I’m not a fan I prefer max hp

[autumn vault]

Then thats ok, just suggesting something many players tried

It is a little weird for some players

[autumn vault]

To explain this further btw, 252 HP on incineroar will give it 202 HP, with how sitrus works it will only restore 50 HP because 1/4th of it is 50.5 and it will always restore 50
With 236 HP EVs it will give you 200 HP, 1/4th is 50 HP where it will always restore to 50 making the healing a little better

[mighty stump]

I mean

The optimisation isn’t really something important to focus on

Plus it’s desirable to have odd numbers for HP due to chip damage

[chrome knot]

why does incin have citrus

sitrus

[molten oasis]

Miraidon team

They could go av ig

I run sitrus incin rn

[autumn vault]

I also run Sitrus Incin

But sometimes i run Goggles just for the spore immunity

Sometimes even over Sitrus

Wow, i did not expect to see Sitrus used less than AV in Reg G Bo3

[balmy glen]

Why

[molten oasis]

Cuz goggles is the main item to use then av is somewhat common

[balmy glen]

It should be less than AV and Goggles

[autumn vault]

Because of Unnerve CSR and CIR

Ik

[molten oasis]

Why would it be less than goggles

[autumn vault]

Too used to Bo1

[balmy glen]

Sitrus?

[molten oasis]

Wait fuck I READ IT WRONG

[balmy glen]

I was abt to say

[molten oasis]

It should be under yea

[autumn vault]

Goggles has 84% usage, Sitrus has 5% and AV has 8%

In Bo3 OTS Showdown

[molten oasis]

Yea that makes perfect sense

I can’t read like at all lol

[nocturne holly]

I have e terrain so goggles doesn’t benefit me as much as normal

[molten oasis]

Gotta work on that one

[nocturne holly]

I don’t like av incin, taunt and wisp are so nice to use

[strange fjord]

you can still use fake out, snarl, knock off, u-turn and flare blitz. incin got options

[nocturne holly]

It also loses parting 😭

I might try av to see how it feels on the team

[strange fjord]

its fiiiiine. dont want to accidentally parting shot into a kingambit 😉

[nocturne holly]

I haven’t seen gambit or ape like at all tbh

[strange fjord]

yeah... me neither lol

[nocturne holly]

What spread does av incin run

[autumn vault]

E-Terrain blocks spore

So fair enough

[molten oasis]

Not sure but you probably invest into physical bulk

Could try living surging strikes

[bold geode]

Hey Drago

🖕

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010

My favorite

[bold geode]

Wha you mean

By that

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-pokemon-speech-bubble-torkoal-gif-17904128452003247135

[bold geode]

Drago wym by the Chien Pao

[upbeat quail]

If my Whimsicott encores a Pokémon into a status move then taunts it the next turn, will the taunt/encored Pokémon use struggle?

[molten oasis]

You know

My daily dose of getting flipped off

The chien pao jumping just means I’m happy that’s all

[molten oasis]

See but it’s balanced cuz new gen power creep be like that

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz it can’t do anything

[upbeat quail]

Sweet thanks. Just wanted to know before I actually tried it in a battle.

[bold geode]

I don't actually

[bold geode]

Yes that's what I need to get thru my day
Someone telling me to go fuck myself 👌

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

[autumn vault]

Yosta on their way to comp chat just to bully Monke:

[charred saddle]

MickeyVGC when

[pallid hare]

When Mickey tries pizza soup

Which, probably, would be never

[nocturne holly]

i am not a fan of av incin 😭

[autumn vault]

Yeah we know

[nocturne holly]

ima try taunt over wisp on incin

[bold geode]

@balmy glen come here I gotta ask something

[balmy glen]

what

[bold geode]

The person who won Taiwan nats with Michaels LA team
How close were his spreads to Michaels?

[balmy glen]

5/6

I think is what I heard but i would need the paste

[bold geode]

Ok then
Wtf are these spreads sir

[balmy glen]

Send paste

Lemme confirm

[bold geode]

Can I send it here?

Or DMs?

[balmy glen]

well ye if u have it that means it’s public

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/4604d769f94288ef

[balmy glen]

uhhh

Close enough ig he kind of tweaked some stuff

[bold geode]

What are these spreads sir

[balmy glen]

World may never know

(Wasn’t a response to that)

[bold geode]

Like I am so
Why does the Zama have no Spdef
Why is the Rilla so fast
Wtf is this lmao

[balmy glen]

I’m not really going to confirm or deny what’s right lol but those spreads are the taiwon champs spreads so

[bold geode]

Oh I got them from his rental

[balmy glen]

Why do u need special defense on Zama

[bold geode]

Why don't you

[balmy glen]

I ran 4 special on my indie run as well just saying

But I had more hp

[bold geode]

Cuz you outspeed Chu huh

Chi

[balmy glen]

U don’t really need special defense tbh

Waste of evs

[bold geode]

Ok then it's skill issue cuz I ran 20 speed on Zama and put it in bulk and yes I needed it there lol

[balmy glen]

why

[bold geode]

I played IDBP set

[balmy glen]

oh no wonder your using the bad Zama

you should just hang it up tbh

[bold geode]

Whoa whoa hey
It won in Santiago

[balmy glen]

Fake regional

Didn’t even know abt it

I literally just heard that existed when u told me rn

[bold geode]

Lol
I actually preferred the bad Zamazenta tbh
Kinda like the slow bulky as fuck approach

[balmy glen]

I’m just messing with you btw don’t take it to heart lol

[bold geode]

I know lol

But yeah I liked it being bulky cuz with right support (Snarl, T Wave, Intimidate) Zamazenta could just sit there like a mfer

Like Calyrex Ice Rider against +3 Zamazenta? Tickles

[balmy glen]

But yeah only way I see putting more special defense into Zama would be like Grimmsnarl screens Zama with misty terrain and Cress (I ran this in testing)

[bold geode]

Yeah no if you don't outspeed Chi Yu or Landorus Incarnate, then you need that bulk

Like it worked for me and well if it ain't broke for me, why should I fix it rn

[balmy glen]

I just don’t think it’s good tbh

This meta isn’t very setup healthy unless your name is nasty plot csr and terapagos where you can afford to do so

I feel Zamas role is to become the best balance restricted that helps the team while also applying so much pressure

[bold geode]

Yeah

It sorta just worked but I see valid case on your end for sure

Probably gonna end up doing Wide Guard set during double restricted

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0f3b447e55b8c8b0 @balmy glen i feel like im struggling with CSR a lot rn, and I’m not feeling cornerstone rn, thoughts on a member replacement?

[balmy glen]

Hmmm

[balmy glen]

Usually when I go goggles Ursh I go AV incin and then mental herb amoongus when I want fwg btw

[molten oasis]

No rilla? Hmm

I can try that

Tf do I do with the ogerpon spot tho

[balmy glen]

Ye then amoongus becomes your redirection

All of the things other than incin with safety goggles are fine

Like into your Zacian Amoongus core

[molten oasis]

Which I have ursh for

[balmy glen]

But cornerstone Zacian faced the same problem anyways so it’s fine

And this way you can heal anyways

Now it depends on what you want last slot tbh

[molten oasis]

Well

Not sure if this’ll struggle with CSR

but the original issue was that

[balmy glen]

oh CSR?

well for starters the change to AV incin helps a lot

You pressure with spore

you can also force Tera’s etc with just incin amoongus leads tbh

U-turn knock off spam etc etc

Honestly what I usually do is use 4-5 Pokémon on ladder then when I lose 3-5 times it usually helps me figure out my last slot

Unless you want to default to booster special raging bolt

[molten oasis]

Oki

https://pokepast.es/8ebe32ea52b45ed1 this is the current stuff

Ty

[solid frigate]

pagos pagos

[mighty stump]

Morning all

[next stump]

@chrome knot are you still going Toronto this season? or are you retiring

[molten oasis]

Morning tofu

[chrome knot]

going to as many as i can

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/tomas-shelby-gif-9632566097741714411

[chrome knot]

i justgonna pr

actice this season

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/6f20f1fa62dae62a thoughts? My worst mu rn seems to be csr

[bold geode]

Morning

[polar canyon]

I wonder how late in the games lifespan they're gonna allow mythicals in vgc

It happened last gen so it probably will happen again

[charred saddle]

lg kesamber apaan bsa sapa orng pagi pagi

[stark kindle]

I need you to not cast hexes on Comp Helpers. Thank you Leo

[gentle crag]

mickey._. has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

https://x.com/ralfdude90/status/1806424193602646271?t=GB6x8fLQ7wqCm6t2V5jWCw&s=33

Paul Ruiz Pokemon VGC (@ralfdude90) on X

Just faced Swords dance drain punch tera Steel urshifu (bulky as heck) + sash wow inci + rocky helmet raging bolt on a caly shadow balance team and I think I will need a couple of days to recover psychologically from it 💀

(It was a Japanese team on the in-game ladder btw)

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 8:27 PM

[bold geode]

I can't cast tungsten balls on Tofu?!
Man I can't have ANY FUN AROUND HERE

[charred saddle]

thats what i feel when i face down surging strikes to weak armour armarouge with WP + endure then swap manually to indeedee and just sweeps my entire team back in reg E

it literally haunts my dream

[rustic mountain]

played this team, dude leaves my chi yu alive under tr and it proceeds to 1shot their caly ice

[charred saddle]

chiyu just feels strong currently for me

quite lots of good MU

[rustic mountain]

yea its solid

specs modest does so much damage

[molten oasis]

[uncut helm]

Hey yall, is this the room for online battles or is comp different

Im new and kinda confused whether it’s considered the same thing or nahh

[slow latch]

Yes there’s WiFi here

[uncut helm]

Im gonna sound like a noob but when team building for doubles, is a frosslass shadow ball stabber paired with abomasnow with aurora veil too predictable

[molten oasis]

It’s bad

If you’re new feel free to roam around in rental teams for ideas

[uncut helm]

Yeah im very new, i wanna go into competitions too

Is ev training necessary for comp or do i do iv training

[molten oasis]

Very. Both are necessary

[mighty stump]

Just remember to have fun and keep an open mind to what’s being said

99% of the time we mean the best for your competitive experience especially as newbies

[polar canyon]

That being said maybe it's a little early to think about joining competitions if you yourself are admitting that you might be a noob

Calling someone noob sounds rude

Just new to the competitive scene

There's a lot to learn and no one already starts off well experienced

It's a long path ahead

Unless you mean like online competitions among friends

There's no real skill requirement for that as long as everyone has the same skill at the game

[balmy glen]

Well unless your a smogon player xd

[molten oasis]

tera electric tera blast ice rider

thats a new one, i lost due to a really poor play earlier on but still

mm, i dont like calm mind fast terapagos

not sure why it was faster than my urshifu

but it was, and i lost for it

[little plank]

Took a break but back with dondozo!

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151434872-vj4m3dp44ob0p1gp2yr0084ubx003x1pw

[molten oasis]

why is that gouging fire running fucking sunny day

https://tenor.com/view/linokisser-gif-reaction-tiktok-alien-gif-21656547

whatever, onto the next one

[slow latch]

You need both. I’m not new but I’m very novice at this so I’m learning at the beginning too really. EVs and IVs go into the stats too

[slow latch]

Where?

[molten oasis]

bo1 ladder

just losing to just, random shit rn

mm

no reason to complain i chose to do bo1 trying to figure out a 6th

[molten oasis]

lol someone said im weird for using taunt goggles urshifu

cuz its slow

[balmy glen]

moment

usually its used under screens

but i think its fine since u have zacian for the flutters and incin for physical bulk

[molten oasis]

Yea I like it

Although I’m reconsidering sitrus mostly due to missing parting shot and the mu into CSR still feeling bad, like I’m not playing great into it but I still dont feel like I can do shit into it

[balmy glen]

Knock off

Plus Behemoth pressure is like all I needed when I used it

[molten oasis]

ig

still very unsure on a 6th

ig all the CSR i fought were just HO things and not really real things

like specs tera ghost was a thing i ran into multiple times

well ig thats like a semi thing but im more looking for the clef stuff

idk

[timber falcon]

Only one more exam then I can focus on compet again

Any new teams that are mega defining?

Meta*

[gaunt dew]

is masterball tier hard to reach for ranked doubles?

[cyan smelt]

People probably keeping the tech secret until worlds

[mighty stump]

Depends on who you ask

Generally? Not really

[balmy glen]

It’s really easy in battle stadium singles and doubles tbh

[autumn vault]

Its quite easy to reach Masterball tier, just have a very good team that won a regional and you're good to go

[balmy glen]

not even that tbh lol. Any decent team as long as your a good player can make it to masterball

[mighty stump]

Bro you can reach masterball with anything

[south shuttle]

pokemon should make a game opposite of s/v

instead just pur their budget into move animations

that would be unskippable

w or l idea

[balmy glen]

what

that’s not really something I would ever want competitive wise

I play showdown when practicing for a reason I’m not trying to see move animations tbh… the move animations are already so long in cart that when I’m in tour I’m thinking like 5 turns ahead by the time the animations are done

[knotty mirage]

Didn't something like this already exist you know pokemon stadium

[solid frigate]

Calyrex-

with Calyrex being Everywhere now,most likely more content for the Onion

[south shuttle]

yes but now way better graphics

[solid frigate]

honestly For SV the gameplay is depending,but i like the New Models

for pokemon

i don't mind looking at the animations

it gives me information of whenever i miss or landed the Attack

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/6c74a7383f34ea7c

Refined Ho oh team. Whimsicott+Scizor is an awesome lead into a lot of the meta

[solid frigate]

its so weird to see Hariyama here now that Iron Hands exists

but i guess because Iron Hands don't have Coaching thats why i think

[cyan smelt]

Iron hands doesn't have wide guard

[solid frigate]

and that

and Scizor is sure a interesting choice

[little plank]

Phew this was close lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151572628

[solid frigate]

i swear Showdown's Order up Animation cracks me up every time

[little plank]

That rage powder at the end had to of been upsetting lol

[solid frigate]

agree lol

Tera Grass Annihilape would be very useful against It lmao

[graceful flare]

Use tera steel for bullet punch boost

[solid frigate]

and dies to Chi Yu anyway?

yeah nah Defensive Tera is more worth on Scizor

Tera Steel just enables Fighting and Ground type weakness

(Which is common)

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/37913b8dbdb790ac

Safety Goggles Shifu?

or go for Mystic water

[next stump]

your team doesn't scream amoonguss weak to me

you can pretty easily pin it with chi-yu and terapagos/bolt

[solid frigate]

honestly fair,I did not really struggle against Amoonguss in Testing

Plus Mystic Water Really helping me Against Ting Lu

i hate that moose

plus this team is not that affected to Intimidate

or just incin honestly-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151606170

Thats honestly not bad,could've Tera against the Water Caly Ice to Keep Chi Yu Safe but whatever honestly

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151609510

Close Call

[polar canyon]

Tera stellar covering for caly using defensive tera for chi yu would be so cool actually

It seems fun to play around forcing a tera just to wipe it with the anti-tera tera pokemon

I need to finish my team

[solid frigate]

i just did not expect it Tera infront of it

[polar canyon]

I get lazy about getting good spreads and sets

[solid frigate]

like it either dies to Chi Yu or Terapagos

[polar canyon]

And it died to neither

[solid frigate]

later died to Pagos anyway

[polar canyon]

I mean it did but could've been that turn and saving chi yu

[solid frigate]

fair

[polar canyon]

Eh you won anyways

But something neat about pagos is that you can easily cover for scenarios where they may or may not defensively tera against the the mon next to it

[solid frigate]

exactly,like Caly Ice against Chi yu Pagos is like mind game on 3 scenarios

die to Chi Yu,die to Pagos,switch and sacrifice

[polar canyon]

The biggest drawback is that you have to really conserve your tera

[solid frigate]

and Zamazenta as well

[polar canyon]

Terapagos is very much a tera hog since the whole point is to tera with it

So the biggest and most efficient tera hog in the game

[solid frigate]

you can time the Tera and make others Tera

Chi Yu's Tera Ghost is so good against pokemon like Hitmontop in endgame and its hilarious-

Urshifu Tera Water just to remove Ting Lu (I hate it)

[polar canyon]

But like can you estimate how many of your wins were while using a defensive tera instead of boosting pagos

[solid frigate]

it is more,but the tera is nice to have in specfic situation,thats one of the neat mind games for Pagos teams

[polar canyon]

Cool cool

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Just asking as genuine questions

Since you've been playing pagos since like the start of the reg

[solid frigate]

its ok

[solid frigate]

i did build Pagos for Tera Raids before lmao

[polar canyon]

Terapagos for raids actually doesn't even sound that good

[solid frigate]

can confirm

[polar canyon]

Since you can only do the starstorm after 3 turn of attacking

If setup turns counted it would be goated

[solid frigate]

its basically Pagos CM set

[polar canyon]

And it had like nasty plot or something

[solid frigate]

but i think CM as a Boosting Balance Move is better due to having better MU Against Miraidon and Kyogre

[polar canyon]

I just made my raid iron hands and zacian stellar so they're good vs both electric weak mons and fight weak mons and also both steel and fairy weak ones

[solid frigate]

yeah agree

[polar canyon]

For raids I mean

[solid frigate]

fair

[polar canyon]

It would be cool if there were more mons that work well with tera stellar

[solid frigate]

i might stick with Pagos in Doubles Restricted and Lunala just to cover for Zamazenta

[polar canyon]

If the non stab boost wasn't only 20% I think it would be pretty nice

[solid frigate]

the Tera is more designed to be Terapagos Exclusive- but i don't mind

[polar canyon]

I wanna not be very tightly tied to one restricted for the rest of the generation now that they're in vgc

[solid frigate]

mhm

anyways

[polar canyon]

The 2 mons I wanna play with so far are koraidon and terapagos tho

[solid frigate]

Pagos Lunala in Doubles Restricted?

[polar canyon]

Yep sounds pretty good

[solid frigate]

i'm scared

Insert DA MOON

[polar canyon]

Lunala looks like it's built to be doubles support

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

and it also do what Rayquaza can't

[polar canyon]

Hi monke

[solid frigate]

DOES NEUTRAL AGAINST ZAMA

[bold geode]

[polar canyon]

I mean rayquaza has dragon ascent

That's neutral

[solid frigate]

Monke you can't tell how much i hate i can't do shit-

[polar canyon]

It's gonna do nothing but it's neutral

[solid frigate]

well there are some sets with Iron Defense-

[polar canyon]

Isn't that like all sets

What else would you do with zama

Double restricted coaching support?

[solid frigate]

Heavy Slam,Body Press,Wide Guard Protect?

Like there are some alternatives

[polar canyon]

Zama is THE idbp mon

[solid frigate]

but i just want to cover the one set

[polar canyon]

No other good way to use it

At least for single restricted

But it's a damn good way to use it

[solid frigate]

just let me cover my options against it

[bold geode]

What

[polar canyon]

Yeah I don't get what that means either

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cdc13010935ce67f How is this CM Pagos team

[solid frigate]

sorry typo

[solid frigate]

sorry for typo

[polar canyon]

Huge volcarona

[solid frigate]

Wisp Volca can be huge on Koraidon without Tera,Zamazenta or Urshifu

or any physical attacker really

[polar canyon]

And it is

I don't think you'll ever see korai without tera

That's why I run volc that outspeeds urshifu

[autumn vault]

I use Volcarona for anti-Amoonguss and Zamazenta/Koraidon MUs while also having damage reduction and redirection

[polar canyon]

If it's not scarf

[solid frigate]

i think i made SHifu a bit slow-

[autumn vault]

All of which Pagos does like

[polar canyon]

Yep wisp is also damage reduction isn't it

[solid frigate]

yeah

[polar canyon]

I love damage reduction

Damage reduction is my playstyle

[autumn vault]

Struggle Bug and Flame Body are damage reduction

[polar canyon]

Damage reduction is my hobby

Damage reduction is my lifestyle

[solid frigate]

Me:Want to Nuke shit

Also me:Run CM Pagos with HO Pagos Teammates

[polar canyon]

I got flame body to activate in a meaningful situation a total of 0 times

[autumn vault]

Damage Recuction is Love
Damage Reduction is Life

[polar canyon]

So bad I should even consider just using swarm for stronger struggle bug or smth

[autumn vault]

It activated a few times for me

[solid frigate]

i mean if you wanna count Heat Wave from my Chi Yu

[polar canyon]

If it works it works

[autumn vault]

I love CS Pagos

[solid frigate]

it got to almost 1400 so i would say decent Progress

[polar canyon]

Also what's your pagos spread

Mr. Terapagos himself is here to share the terapagos set

[mighty stump]

cough

[solid frigate]

i have 2 but currently using this
Terapagos-Terastal @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Tera Shell
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[solid frigate]

isn't like Tofu got higher Results-

i'm just here to vibe with Pagos

[polar canyon]

Listen if you have terapagos in your server nickname you're Mr. Terapagos and I'm not seeing that in yours

[mighty stump]

Ok

[solid frigate]

Tofu just join the gang

[mighty stump]

No

[solid frigate]

kek

[mighty stump]

I'm busy being generally correct and generally better

[polar canyon]

I think I should just read the tofu blog post

[solid frigate]

I'll just vibe

[mighty stump]

I don't really update those you know

Like they work

But it's definitely not up to date

[polar canyon]

Ah

[solid frigate]

blame on me trying to add Cresselia at the start of Reg G

its fun while it lasted

[polar canyon]

Well back to trying to come up with a spread since idk what the best players are using

[mighty stump]

Just vibe

[polar canyon]

Wonder if glacial lance 3hko after flake out with leftovers and grassy terrain is something I can go for

Flake out

[solid frigate]

wait whats your spread

[polar canyon]

Right now

Terapagos-Terastal @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shell
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 180 HP / 180 Def / 148 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[solid frigate]

oh man that pretty tanky-

[polar canyon]

It takes adamant urshifu close combat after rilla fake out

[solid frigate]

i see

[polar canyon]

But I also think I should look more at speed

[upbeat quail]

When a Scizor bug bite one shots a Caly-Ice 😎

[autumn vault]

Ok

[polar canyon]

Can you give context I need to know

[solid frigate]

usually i just Rage Powder to avoid it getting OHKO,but if its Safety Goggles

Yeah i'm screwed

[solid frigate]

Technician+STAB

+Choice Band

[polar canyon]

If it's safety goggles and not scarf is it really running max attack adamant

[polar canyon]

No way that's enough still

[upbeat quail]

Choice banded Technician Scizor = 90 base power STAB super effective

[polar canyon]

Dang it's enough?

For caly ice?

[solid frigate]

76+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 182-216 (90 - 106.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

About that-

[polar canyon]

Also urshifu rapid strike can ohko your volc

Just at the risk of a burn

[autumn vault]

Mine?

[polar canyon]

Any

[upbeat quail]

Scizor also gets access to bullet punch, which one shots a Tera fairy Caly shadow. AND it gets dual wingbeat for flying coverage that doesn’t care about sash

[solid frigate]

also just stick with Tera Water,Fire,Ground or Bug Honestly

Dragon is also good,just don't be Steel type

[polar canyon]

Dual wingbeat is also non stab 120 bp considering technician so it's your go to neutral damaging move

[upbeat quail]

Yep I used Tera dragon on my scizor

[polar canyon]

If you don't mind 90 acc

Imagine if scizor got pin missile

[upbeat quail]

Yep dual wingbeat is a juicy move when it hits. I really only use it against amoongus or rapid Ursh

[solid frigate]

good

[solid frigate]

not even Single Strike?

[polar canyon]

I mean it's weak to bug

[upbeat quail]

^

[solid frigate]

Urshifu Dark Is neutral cuz of the fighting type-

[polar canyon]

You probably should use wingbeat for single strike tho since it's usually sash

[solid frigate]

wait lemme check

[upbeat quail]

Oh shit I forgot fighting resists bug

[polar canyon]

Same

[upbeat quail]

So weird

[polar canyon]

I just remember that bug resists fighting

Idk why since punching bugs is pretty effective at killing them

[solid frigate]

yep tell that to Bug weak to poison making Paras line have 3 quad weak in Gen 1-

[polar canyon]

Maybe it's another Japanese culture thing like bugs warding off evil spirits (dark)

[solid frigate]

its more about Mental

[upbeat quail]

Also, scarfed Lando I is such a good thing to have in the back

[solid frigate]

its good against Miraidon MU

[polar canyon]

Scarf lando I?

I don't think I've ever seen it without lorb

[solid frigate]

it still OHKO Miraidon with Earth Power

[polar canyon]

Nice

[upbeat quail]

Yep, max speed modest lando I outspeeds most scarfed urshifus. And it one shot miraidon

[polar canyon]

And mirai is often tera electric

[solid frigate]

and i love it 🙂

[autumn vault]

This reminded me of when a moron from the showdown chatrooms said that Landorus-I isn't a Miraidon counter, i had Tailwind and L-Orb

[upbeat quail]

Plus I run u turn on my lando for pivot

Thinking about dropping it for more coverage tho

[solid frigate]

Scarf Lando I be Like:Hello,It's Me

[polar canyon]

Honestly don't interact with showdown chatrooms everyone's braindead

[solid frigate]

this place is just teeny tiny bit better

Like i saw someone trying to buiild a team with Blaziken

JUST USE HARIYAMA OR ANNIHILAPE

[polar canyon]

Here we have a lot of obvious beginners who just need a bit of guidance

[solid frigate]

FOR COACHING GOD SAKE

[solid frigate]

oh i saw someone run Specs Lunala

Beats me

[polar canyon]

That doesn't sound better why not mienshao or hitmontop

[solid frigate]

exactly

[upbeat quail]

Hariyama is so bulky with thick fat.

[autumn vault]

I ditched that place a long time ago

[solid frigate]

does that kinda insulting to Sumo Wrestlers?

[polar canyon]

So bulky against like caly ice and chien pao that's it

[polar canyon]

But they have thick fat on purpose don't they

I don't think it's an insult

[solid frigate]

fair point

[upbeat quail]

Tera steel on hariyama also makes it pretty great imo. It’s not iron hands good but it fills a totally different role

[solid frigate]

i still need to brainwash myself when i saw Specs Lunala

[upbeat quail]

If you wanna run a mienshao but your focus sash is already on another pokemon, use hariyama.

[solid frigate]

tf is that guy cooking? Burnt Steak?

[polar canyon]

Pretty great sounds like an overstatement

[polar canyon]

Hey everyone has bad ideas sometimes

[autumn vault]

We know

[polar canyon]

I was trying to cook with support armarouge the other day

[autumn vault]

Many people sometimes have bad ideas

[polar canyon]

Everyone sometimes has bad ideas

It's called being human

[solid frigate]

i mean if you want that +1 boost

Just run Lefties CM or Power Herb

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

unless your name is Tofu

[polar canyon]

He's not human

[autumn vault]

I remember when OTOT wanted to run scarf, i needed therapy after that

[polar canyon]

That sounds more pointless than specs

[solid frigate]

cuz Lunala is workable in TR and TW

you don't run Scarf

[autumn vault]

Specs is actually very good

On Pagos

[solid frigate]

we are talking about Lunala-

[autumn vault]

Oh right

Then its the opposite, its bad on Lunala

I rather run Power Herb, leftovers over that

[solid frigate]

just run something that works like Power Herb or Lefties

[autumn vault]

Atleast those synergize well with Lunala

[solid frigate]

i just name my Lunala set Beam attack Set

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/waddle-doo-beam-attack-failboat-kirby-gif-26923084

[solid frigate]

i mean it makes sense for Meteor Beam cuz that can miss

[autumn vault]

My Ogerpon wellspring when it needed to land a Power Whip on Crephace's Primarina to win (it didn't land it):

[autumn vault]

Oh yeah, this reminds me about someone here wanting to use Serperior despite being a begginer

[solid frigate]

welp

[polar canyon]

When you don't have the experience it's easy to think you can make any pokemon work

[autumn vault]

True

[polar canyon]

You need to be really good at the game to be one of the people who realize a niche or unthought of pokemon can work

[autumn vault]

Sadly some pokemon just can't work easily

Yeah

Just wish that the Beginners actually listened and use meta teams without using their niche favourites

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151641931 On the bright side i won against a Zamazenta using CM Terapagos

[polar canyon]

I mean it's something that's emphasized by the whole pokemon brand as a whole until you get to real competitive play and realize it doesn't apply

That you can and should win using your favorites

If your favorite happens to be a really good one then you're lucky

[autumn vault]

Especially thanks to Karen

[polar canyon]

Imagine having your favorite pokemon be incineroar before getting into competitive

[autumn vault]

It would be amazing

[polar canyon]

Also that you should get attached to them and they're your friends

[autumn vault]

If your favourite was something like Emboar then very unfortunate

[polar canyon]

My favorite isn't even in the game

Let alone good for competitive

Or like viable at all

[dapper crag]

Pyukumuku's moveset:

Physical Moves

Counter

Special Moves

Mirror Coat

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Curse, Endure, Gastro Acid, Hail, Harden, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Memento, Pain Split, Protect, Purify, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, Soak, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Tickle, Toxic, Venom Drench

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pyukumuku.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[autumn vault]

My favourites are Excadrill, Zekrom, Emboar and Kingambit, none of them are very good

[solid frigate]

my favourite is mid in Comp (Greninja)

[polar canyon]

Maybe with follow me it could barely pass as usable

[solid frigate]

like the only thing i can see is Fast Taunt

[balmy glen]

man I went back to chien dnite and this is broken still

crazy times we live in

[polar canyon]

Kinda wild

[solid frigate]

the nuke is still real (Non restricted i mean)

[polar canyon]

And what's your backup for zama and both cir

[balmy glen]

the rest of my team...>

[polar canyon]

For csr I'm assuming you can double up with sucker and espeed and it either dies to espeed after tera or sucker if it doesn't

Is that like any close to correct

[solid frigate]

wait how much is Sacred sword does to Zama

[balmy glen]

43

depending on the spread

[autumn vault]

2 CIRs? You mean the 2 Calyrexs?

[balmy glen]

on the normal spread your seeing around 43

[polar canyon]

Was gonna say both calyrex but changed my mind csr doesn't sound that bad

[autumn vault]

Fair

[polar canyon]

I bet we sound silly often when high level comp players show up in chat

[balmy glen]

people arent calced for chienite stuff anymore yw guys

honestly pokemon is just an endless cycle

[mighty stump]

P much

[balmy glen]

well reg g is anyways

[autumn vault]

Yeah, you're right and i'm no exception

[polar canyon]

Time to calc for chienite

[mighty stump]

You respect something less cuz something is more important and then tada

[rustic mountain]

really? anytime ive faced it its seemed underwhelming now. must be the player/team comp lol

[autumn vault]

I also love that this happened

[polar canyon]

Well player skill definitely matters in this scenario lol

[rustic mountain]

used to be pretty braindead tbf

[balmy glen]

I remember i used to farm chienite with my volcarona

[rustic mountain]

haha

[autumn vault]

Chienite has fallen off

[balmy glen]

of course it has

[autumn vault]

I don't think i spotted more than 2 of them

[balmy glen]

how heavy is dondozo

as much as groudon?

[rustic mountain]

idk serebii has weights posted tho

id imagine they r both pretty heavy

[autumn vault]

Dondozo is 220 KG

[solid frigate]

eh solid and Respectable

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 977: Dondozo

Type

Water

Abilities

Unaware, Oblivious, Water Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/115/65/65/35

Total

530

Weight (Low Kick BP)

220kg (120 BP)

Height

12m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Water 2

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Blue

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[autumn vault]

Or 458 Pounds

[mighty stump]

Imagine using lbs

[rustic mountain]

murica

[autumn vault]

I use Kilograms since i'm not american

[rustic mountain]

[autumn vault]

And its superior

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Weight (Low Kick BP)

950kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 3

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Red

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[autumn vault]

Nope, not even close to weight

[mighty stump]

Mudsdale is heavier

[balmy glen]

USA diffed

[solid frigate]

the amount of weight it had is insane-

[mighty stump]

USA = u suck ass

🦅

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

Groudon looks like a fatass for a reason

[mighty stump]

your national bird doesn’t even make the noise it’s marketed as smh

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

its just he builds like Godzilla Before Baxcalibur is a thing

Well T-tar is the first Godzilla Pokemon so-

[mighty stump]

Banded Baxcalibur time

[autumn vault]

Tyranitar looks like Godzilla more than Groudon

[solid frigate]

exactly

[autumn vault]

Before Bax obviously

Bax is just mini godzilla

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-slide-gone-gif-20374120

Glaive Rush be like

also

[balmy glen]

man

losing to sing clefairy with csr is one of the things of all time

[autumn vault]

That happened to me yesterday

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/jeonghan-horse-on-beach-jeonghan-man-jeonghan-jeonghan-silly-horse-on-beach-man-gif-13991646989968971533

[autumn vault]

I even got a crit on the CSR and still lost

[balmy glen]

note I only lost g2 from them critting and sleeping me but like eh

[solid frigate]

i feel like whenever Calyrex Shadow Rider or Ice Rider exists

its either They played it well

or

Plot Armor (Luck)

[autumn vault]

I remember when i got a crit at their CSR and the Clefairy landed the sing on my Kyogre

[balmy glen]

plot armor luck is exactly what my opponent was saying i did

(para haxed them one turn)

[solid frigate]

moment

[autumn vault]

Then after a few turns it was TornOgre vs Rilla Incin
I tera'd ice on the sleepinig Kyogre, tanking the double up and fainting
Stupid bleakwind couldn't 3HKO Incin like how i wanted it to and Incin finished me off

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Players be like

yeah i saw that replay

[autumn vault]

Yeah Rillaboom died to Bleakwind

[solid frigate]

thats normal

what the actual fuck did i saw

MAX SPEED AMOGUS???

[autumn vault]

Bro wtf

[balmy glen]

welcome to mid ladder

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[solid frigate]

i don't think thats mid ladder,lemme show ya

Amoonguss @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Effect Spore
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Pollen Puff
• Sludge Bomb
• Hex

[autumn vault]

Low Elo is the only type of elo to bring up max speed amoonguss

[autumn vault]

Have you checked that person's elo?

[balmy glen]

i made a new account and after 3 games the game up paired me against someone that is 400 elo higher than the acc of trying to test

why cant i test in peace

[solid frigate]

its high ladder

[autumn vault]

I remember once i was playing as usual when i found someone who is 200 elo higher than my account

Idk what happened for that stuff to happen

[solid frigate]

its fucking high ladder what is he cooking

[autumn vault]

Cooking something

And its burned as hell

[solid frigate]

i think i beat someone with Kyogre+Giratina against like 6 Restricteds that has legit movesets 200 elo higher

[solid frigate]

tell me about it

[balmy glen]

o wow

I lost to someone double fake out critting me rn

LOL wth

[solid frigate]

Ok what the actual fu-

yep this Reg is creative+Weird

[autumn vault]

Yup

[solid frigate]

anyways

dunno what to do besides teambuild

[zinc totem]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zjYLGKu5Kdo?si=zMncuT9K6h3mChYr

[autumn vault]

Meganium we know

[solid frigate]

i think everyone knows this already

[autumn vault]

I don't need the words from a World Champion to believe that Meganium is the worst starter ever

RIP Chikorita line fans

[zinc totem]

Ngl my guess would been sceptile or serperior till he said Swod dance haha

[autumn vault]

Your a singles player

How can you believe Serp is the worst

[solid frigate]

Sceptile Shed Tail,Contrary Serperior

[zinc totem]

Competitively

[autumn vault]

Its a good pokemon in OU

Yeah ik, thats what i'm refering to

[solid frigate]

that does not help your case-

[autumn vault]

Its very good in OU, a singles format

[solid frigate]

even Sceptile Shed Tail has a Niche in Doubles

[autumn vault]

Meganium has nothing going for it

[solid frigate]

heal pulse and thats it

[autumn vault]

And a good chunk of actually viable mons have Heal Pulse

AKA Clefairy, Calyrex (idk why you would run it on Calyrex), etc.

[solid frigate]

yep

[bold geode]

Hate when that happens

Was about to hit 1600 one time and got matched up with someone about to hit 1800

And I'm just like bruh, gimme someone else lmao

[mighty stump]

Just win

[rustic mountain]

im sure they were thinkin the same thing

[mighty stump]

Not rlly sure how I feel about Goggles Shifu

[rustic mountain]

ive yet to try it

[bold geode]

I ain't doing it
Scarf ain't broke yet

[rustic mountain]

all the teams ive used have had scarf urshi for reg g

[mighty stump]

Scarf is fine

[rustic mountain]

its def still very much viable

id say its scarf is the most common, then goggles then like sash/mystic water

[bold geode]

Yeah
I hate the people going like Sash Stellar

[rustic mountain]

mostly adis team that runs it

[bold geode]

I know Wolfe ran it in NAIC

Cuz he had that fuckin Room Service Pelipper

[rustic mountain]

not many players makin that work like wolfey did haha

not the tera stellar, room service peli

[bold geode]

Hell the Tera Water CSR was something

[rustic mountain]

yea

r there anymore irl tours b4 worlds now

thats it now right?

[chrome knot]

if ur scared of sleeping go mystic water grass tera

[mighty stump]

I don't want to blow Tera

And I like the availability as a switch with Gogs

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

[molten oasis]

Why’s that

[polar canyon]

I wonder if I should use max max for scarf ursh

Funny that there's real reason for modest max speed other than being too lazy to calc

How it's exactly a single point faster than jolly csr

Just chatting to myself I'm realizing I don't have to worry about that if I'm building for terapagos and have tailwind

[solid frigate]

Scarf Shifu is nor that worth it unless you wanna Kill Calyrex Early

[solid frigate]

The Speed of Pagos?

[polar canyon]

Don't know yet

[solid frigate]

Cuz your set does not have speed

[polar canyon]

Thats why I'm unsure about my set

[solid frigate]

tailwind Pagos Auto Outspeed the Bikes

[polar canyon]

That also means flutter and chien

[solid frigate]

if you wanna be Faster than Calyrex its 52 speed

Which i usually would not do cuz Pagos have better MU against CSR

[polar canyon]

Maybe that same max adamant scarf shifu is a good threshold

[solid frigate]

224

in TW

again 1 speed Faster than Shifu in Adamant Scarf

[polar canyon]

Sounds good

Which does also mean I outspeed calyrex but it's not the point since I'm not worried about it

[solid frigate]

usually i put everything on Bulk so that Pagos cuz i have Raging Bolt against Urshifu Rapid Strike

[polar canyon]

I have torn and rilla

[solid frigate]

I think these 2 are good against it

its just my team is HO Pagos Partners+CM Pagos

[polar canyon]

Now offensive torn or bulky torn is a question I might wanna ask

Ice rider + rapid strike sounds like a kinda scary matchup for my team

[solid frigate]

gimme your team

lemme check

[polar canyon]

Hold

https://pokepast.es/fe6404278110f553

[solid frigate]

Volcarona is decent against Caly I

[polar canyon]

Yeah not against urshifu rapid strike

Tbh that's what tera is for

And I do have it set to outspeed and wisp it

[solid frigate]

tho i kinda wanna recommend to use Raging Bolt instead of Ditto

but thats just me

[polar canyon]

Dittos also here for calyrex funnies

And some other matchups

Does ditto still do the thing vs zacian and zamazenta where it copies the stat boost and then copies the ability and getting another boost from it?

[solid frigate]

but with Pagos,Especially Lefties,you have to ensure it can recover the tera shell fast enough

[solid frigate]

yep it still does work

[polar canyon]

Awesome

[solid frigate]

if you copy Zamazenta,yeah its scary for Opposing Zama

[polar canyon]

It was funny for zacian last gen too

It was actually one of the big zacian answers in bss if you didn't wanna have to pick a specific restricted that doesn't lose to zacian I believe

And like quagsire

[solid frigate]

i think for me,not only its hard to find Specific IVs Ditto but also play it cuz i found it hard to poistioning

unless i have skill issue

[polar canyon]

I don't wanna lead with it that's for sure

Not to name names but respect for the one person here who takes the 50/50 gamble and leads with it

[solid frigate]

fair

tho i think when it comes to play Terapagos,your Teammates get to shine the most honestly

[polar canyon]

You might copy the calyrex but you might also copy the whimsicott and end up with 2 tailwind setters out

[solid frigate]

fair

[molten oasis]

There isn’t a reason to not use max max

[polar canyon]

I'm still taking the gamble of speed ties so the plan is to rely on tailwind and redirection

[polar canyon]

The reason is that I realized I don't need scarf

Just remembered I wanted armarouge also because wide guard sounds good when playing ditto

A big question is

Bulky torn or offensive torn

[polar canyon]

This may be a bad idea

But what if I gave volc a water resist berry so it can tank one surging strikes

[devout mist]

Offensive on aggro bulky on balance

Use a defensive Tera if you wanna tank vs water bear imo

[solid frigate]

time to do gambling

[molten oasis]

I prefer bulky torn

[devout mist]

Isn't the spread team dependent?

Bulky torn on hyper offense would be quite counter intuitive

[solid frigate]

Its set up Balance Pagos

[polar canyon]

Tera is for that but you can't always tera

So I'm thinking about a scenario where I don't want to burn the tera but want Volc to live and redirect surging strikes

Nah I probably will want it to tera anyways

If it's resisted it can eat the hits even better

And chances are it causes a burn

Actually if I'm running jolly wisp I can try to make it live burned mystic water strikes?

[nocturne holly]

What’s the team

[nocturne holly]

Won’t the berry just be used on the first hit

[solid frigate]

yep

is it Passho berry?

[polar canyon]

Dang so the nerd of now calc misled me on that

Yeah thanks for correcting me then

https://pokepast.es/77fd8f54641afc4f

With sitrus berry I don't have to worry about all that

But if I change items or unnerve from calyrex as one is out it does still live a burned jolly mystic water urshifu surging strikes

[nocturne holly]

you should calc it first cuz iirc ss does about like 40-50% to volc

[polar canyon]

From what set

[nocturne holly]

Overall Sitrus is better for volc

[nocturne holly]

Just from playing against it reg e and d.

I was playing with scarf and mystic

[polar canyon]

When doing calcs with sitrus now I'm always considering the fact calyrex has unnerve which is easy to forget

Knowing names and effects of different pokemon berries by memory is a sign you're in too deep

It's worse than knowing which power item does what

At least I don't know which negative stat boost nature mon can't eat each 1/3 berry

[molten oasis]

Imo it’s up to preference

You can go bulky torn on a HO team

Torn is setting up tailwind

[balmy glen]

Damn already abt to be July ig it’s time to prep seriously then

[molten oasis]

That’s its job

[molten oasis]

Have you decided on a restricted?

[balmy glen]

no

everything feels broken

[molten oasis]

Guess you’ll have to find the broken that works for you

[balmy glen]

and I don’t have a playstyle

[molten oasis]

Mm

[balmy glen]

Well

[molten oasis]

Maybe you should identify a playstyle

[balmy glen]

I guess my mental has always been “idrc abt my team im just going to chill and outplay you lol”

[balmy glen]

Nah there’s not really any point it’s already working for me

[molten oasis]

Ic

[balmy glen]

Helps in smogon tours as well

[molten oasis]

Uhm, I mean could just go with a caly

Those 2 are the best in the format imo

[balmy glen]

not really an opinion kind of a statement atp lol

[molten oasis]

Fair

Just a fact atp

If I went, I’d go Zac cuz of favoritism, but that’s just me

If you want to win I think a caly is the best option

[nocturne holly]

Who do you thinks gonna win worlds

[molten oasis]

But just find what works for you

[molten oasis]

A caly or Pagos

[nocturne holly]

I want cir

[molten oasis]

Y’all already know what I want to win lol

It won’t but I can hope

[nocturne holly]

I would say mirai

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[dapper crag]

Move: Extrasensory

Has a 10% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[karmic temple]

Hi comp how are our games going today

(Also rip next season of vgc)

[upbeat quail]

I love it when people Tera Fairy their Shadow Riders in front of my Scizor 🤡

Also, does anyone know if bug bite will still eat the opponents berry if there is a Pokémon with unnerve on the field?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2151839582-5c86t2jktifcp4mxf1g7oovj7zt8r5epw

How did i play that sloppy but still won-

also note to self,this chi Yu can survive a Tera Water Aqua Jet

[polar canyon]

So balance is good for that right?

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Nova!!!

[balmy glen]

Kind of

[craggy dagger]

hai-

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

the rare and elusive nova appearance

[craggy dagger]

i’ve just been feeling burnt out of playing anything
sorry for not being around often

[solid frigate]

its ok,are you feel better now?

anyways

turtle time

[nocturne holly]

Tera ground fari is perfect

[bold geode]

Wtf is that

Bro frew up

[bold geode]

HAI BESTIE

[molten oasis]

I feel that

I’m not burnt out but more lost on a team rn

[craggy dagger]

mm that’s fair-
team building is always a long process

[craggy dagger]

[pine cloud]

same

[solid frigate]

me who built 20 Pagos Teams in 2 months:

and only this one feels Solid

[pine cloud]

I've only just started making a "competitive team", but its probably not even competitive. This is it so far.

[solid frigate]

well its VGC so yeah this team is boosh

Look i am being honest

[pine cloud]

Oh yeah, no problem 👍

[solid frigate]

Koraidon,looks bad
Groudon does not even have a Ground move in here

and Solgaleo....

[pine cloud]

Thanks! 😄 I appreciate the critique, and I will change up the team a bit. I am blind to not realize that Groudon does not have a ground move lmao

[solid frigate]

oh yeah i have some sets for Groudon and Koraidon if you need them

[bold geode]

Why smash key

[solid frigate]

Groudon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 180 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Fire Punch
• Thunder Punch
• Rock Slide

Winged King (Koraidon) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Collision Course
• Flame Charge
• Flare Blitz
• Protect

[pine cloud]

Okay, thanks for the help TorrentAegisVGC! I'll see if I can still try and make a team, and I might reach out to you if I need help, so thanks

[gentle crag]

wentech_ has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[craggy dagger]

not rlly-
i think i just need something to get back into so i returned-

[solid frigate]

np,if you need help,you can ask others

[solid frigate]

fair point honestly

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Firefly mentioned

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/mixNvQZSLoA

[bold geode]

You nom?

WHY I GET NOMMED

[molten oasis]

indeed

[craggy dagger]

did u start playing-
she has 10 days ish left before she disappears

[solid frigate]

hangy

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

oh shit. i need to download it-

I'M SO FOCUSED ON VGC

[craggy dagger]

good

tbh vgc is more engaging than hsr

[solid frigate]

NO WONDER MY INSTAGRAM FEED HAS TOO MANY FIREFLY POSTS

[craggy dagger]

haha

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

legit its everywhere-

[craggy dagger]

she’ll be back eventually though since reruns and gacha banners

[bold geode]

I might play more HSR tonight....

Either that or actually work on shit I need to work on

[solid frigate]

fair

[craggy dagger]

do some work and play hsr the rest of the night

[solid frigate]

tho i do have a bit of luck in Gacha since i got one of my picks in first try

[bold geode]

MY PHONE IS ON 11%