competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

My bad then, did wrong the calc

Ah it was because of this

[rustic mountain]

def ones id prefer to others but yea id generally agree, hate is a strong word but theres been a few formats i didnt personally like too much

[dull ibex]

Tofu im getting a friend of mine to learn doubles for friendlies I reccomended the blog to them lmao

[jade dust]

Terapagos is a strong legendary but really not versatile cuz you need to build your team around it while with other really successful mons they work on their own or all they really need is weather or speed control to function

But terapagos needs the whole team to be setup to enable it or else won’t be effective

Comfey, Incineroar and Amoonguss are necessary to have Terapagos going

[balmy glen]

?

[balmy glen]

Have u tried not using cm pagos? Or like not using comfey lmao

You don’t need comfey at all but it can be nice in some scenarios ig

[molten oasis]

That figures

[mighty stump]

Lol

Terapagos falls under the self sufficient category of Restricteds

[molten oasis]

Sun feels rough for Zac in general

[jade dust]

Then you damage is lacking lol

[balmy glen]

not at all

[mighty stump]

Yeah absolutely not

[jade dust]

You need 1 cm to deal enough damage to big threats like Kyoger

[balmy glen]

I mean if your complaining abt having to cm then just run specs

[charred saddle]

1 cm = specs but with +1 spd

[balmy glen]

A lot of the top players don’t have any of the 3 mons u just listed on their team for terapagos rn so

it might just be your struggling to build with it atm

[charred saddle]

and like setting with pagos is relatively easy with the ability

[jade dust]

Specs means you can’t use protect and that you are helpless against wide gard

[balmy glen]

There’s a lot of solutions to this like the number one player on sd rn is using Scream Tail Pagos

[cyan smelt]

Single target tera starstorm exists

[balmy glen]

I think your being really narrow minded on how to play with/build Pagos tbh

[jade dust]

Specs are good in things like Gholdengo but choice items are really a pain to use in doubles

[balmy glen]

specs is not good on gholdengo anymore

[jade dust]

In Gholdengo you can pair him with Murkrow and use tailwind and haze to deal big damage

[balmy glen]

ok you just said Murkrow so ima just come outright and say how long has it been since you’ve played this game 😭

[rustic mountain]

thats like series 1

[jade dust]

I’ve been using Murkrow this season and he is a good support

Haze and tailwind together are big

[balmy glen]

erm what elo are u

[jade dust]

You counter intimidate with that

[jade dust]

Master

[balmy glen]

Ah bo1 stuff nvm

makes sense then ig

[jade dust]

Bo1?

[silver ravine]

Thoughts of running a soft trickroom psyspam team vs a hard trickroom psyspam team? Leaning towards soft as I won't always be able to get trickroom up and I'd be able to psych out my opponent by not having to bring TR.

[jade dust]

I know there are more prankster users now but I like the tailwind haze combo

I use that with Great Tusk as well

[mighty stump]

You still wanna be a helper?

[jade dust]

Tailwind and earthquake spam

[mighty stump]

Just making sure

[jade dust]

If they bring incineroar them haze

[balmy glen]

It’s kind of a play style preference/up to you tbh. However, I’ve found soft TR Psyspam better in most cases

[balmy glen]

mhm

I deal with worse when I’m coaching the juniors

[jade dust]

Great Tusk can be very good but very vulnerable as well

[balmy glen]

but even then some juniors are better but uh

[rustic mountain]

master ball tier is a pretty wide spectrum. different getting a few wins bouncin between 8k-10k and winning consistently and being like top 500 or higher

[mighty stump]

They have the excuse of being a junior though

[balmy glen]

So true lmao

[balmy glen]

Oh also if you want to run hard room I would’nt necessarily recommend Psyspam tbh

[silver ravine]

How come? Doesn't TR and Psyspam go together like peanut butter and jelly?

[balmy glen]

talking with Brian Collins/Brandon Davis/ one of the main Psyspam enthusiasts they even feel hard room kind of struggles atm even tho it did well in NAIC

[rustic mountain]

psyspam has just fallen off a lot in terms of viability for the most part

u can prolly net some wins w/ it

[balmy glen]

I mean I could see running like Iron Crown Psyspam and mixing it up from there to soft room

[jade dust]

In hard trick room you better have Cresselia with mental herb

[balmy glen]

etc etc tbh

?

[rustic mountain]

jus not something thats gna b as strong as it was as an archetype as it was at times

[silver ravine]

Yeah I was thinking of Iron Crown as my fast psyspammer with Arma as my slow spammer. Just not sure who I want as my other three, as I'll always bring indeedee no matter if I'm going fast or slow

Thinking maybe a slow sweeper, a fast sweeper, and maybe another redirect or a mon that can use revival blessing to bring back indeedee in case I need psychic terrain back up

[jade dust]

Hot take but I would like of Darkrai and Cresselia had their types changed. Darkrai becomes Dark/Ghost and Cresselia Psychic/Fairy. I know this would be a buff to Cresselia that she doesn’t need cuz she’s an amazing support already but it would be cool from the Darkrai Cresselia polarity point

And Cresselia uses a lot of moon moves anyway and so many moon moves are fairy type as well

[balmy glen]

Shrekers just wondering but do you play in regionals/the comp scene

Or just casually on cart

[balmy glen]

Hm, arma is kind of niche nowadays but if your just playing casually it’s not bad with Meteor beam

[jade dust]

Well sadly there aren’t regionals where I live and I can’t really travel, but I entered an online tournament and placed 2nd back in SwSh

I mainly play ranked in this gen

[balmy glen]

Gotcha

[jade dust]

I watch Wolfey tho

But that’s not a valid point I know

I would put more effort into trying to get in real competitive but I really hate the grind of Scarlet

I don’t have that much time to grind TMs and tera crystals

[silver ravine]

Really? I figured arma would be still be the go to slow psyspammer. Run it with a power herb for a cheeky meteor beam. Always have torkoal in the back for anything arma can't deal with.

[balmy glen]

Nah if your going Psyspam it’s just Hatt for the room portion now, however you can try weakness policy arma with endure even though it hasn’t been doing well in reg g it was on a solid reg f team and a funny reg g team that put in work

[jade dust]

I saw a funny interaction of a player using clear amulet Hatterene to stop parting shot from forcing switch

But it doesn’t work

It forces switch anyway

But people fell for it

[rustic mountain]

gloom seel moment

[jade dust]

I’m surprised people didn’t know

[mighty stump]

If DaWoblefet wasn’t sure I’m not surprised people aren’t sure either

[jade dust]

I mean I would have tried at least

But that was a huge mind game

[rustic mountain]

it doesnt but it was a good bluff on chefs part

[jade dust]

But at least try to parting shot and see what happens

It was hilarious for sure

Back in swsh you can force Gmax Hatterene to switch as well

[balmy glen]

Tbh in a tour it is kind of risky to test that interaction as it just loses u a game

[jade dust]

And cancel the Gmax

[jade dust]

Well your opponent getting trick room loses you the game as well

Free Calyrex sweep

[balmy glen]

Well if u don’t know the interaction I guess you could try it in g1

[cyan smelt]

How are you getting a parting shot into hat when indeedee is right beside with follow me

[balmy glen]

also true lmao

[mighty stump]

Priority +4 Imprison

😎

I told my Indeedee to focus harder

[jade dust]

Yeah exactly

[balmy glen]

Real

[balmy glen]

It’s kinda easier to bluff than u think it would be tbh lmao

[jade dust]

1 shot Indeedee with like, Chein Pao

[balmy glen]

One of the regional winners won with 0 speed csr because obviously nobodies going to think your 0 speed

[jade dust]

And parting shot incineroar

[balmy glen]

Chien Pao does not OHKO Chien lol

Unless your throat chop ig

[jade dust]

Crunch

[balmy glen]

Even then they can just Tera so

But yeah the situation your talking abt was reg f so I mean nobody was running that at the time

[craggy dagger]

pao ohko dee?

that’s possible no?

[jade dust]

It’s one of the strongest fast physical attackers

[molten oasis]

Imagine ohkoing a indeedee

[forest arrow]

Keanu new comp helper ayoooo?

[jade dust]

Dark physical attackers

[craggy dagger]

who needs fast

[jade dust]

We’ll need to be faster than incineroar

[craggy dagger]

when we can just-

[jade dust]

Which is easy I guess

[craggy dagger]

mirai

[cyan smelt]

Incin and chien Pao next to each other?

[balmy glen]

I am looking into dming mods to look into making me a comp helper

[molten oasis]

thatll be hype

https://pokepast.es/d81f0bd8b3ea3b8e time to lose to koraidon flutter

[jade dust]

To counter Indeedee Hatterene

[lofty tartan]

Seems like a rough time, Drago.

[molten oasis]

[lofty tartan]

...how?

[molten oasis]

its that or peli, and i hate peli

[lofty tartan]

Hate losing to it or hate playing it?

[molten oasis]

playing it

[craggy dagger]

oh Mika!

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

it feels so weird for zac, for me at least

[next stump]

pelipper is that dude

[molten oasis]

why? idk, it just feels odd

[lofty tartan]

You know I'm always lurking in this chat. I just don't always speak up.

[molten oasis]

(i hate how slow it is)

[craggy dagger]

still-
good to see you

[molten oasis]

idk if i even want to play now

fighting fucking, gravity mewtwo with hypnosis gengar

[lofty tartan]

Dude those ones are ones you brush off. You know that.

[molten oasis]

do i know that? not sure if i do

[lofty tartan]

Weird sets that you never planned for and probably shouldn't.

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[silver ravine]

@balmy glen Thoughts? Feelings? Concerns? Just blanking on a 6th. Still working out the ev spreads and items https://pokepast.es/c84133ebe665c094

[cyan smelt]

What about something with spore or ogerpon

[silver ravine]

Yeah Oger Well could be a move

[balmy glen]

Hmm maybe not expanding force on the csr. You already have Hatt and Psycho cut Gallade so I feel we could work with having a regular CSR that forces people to play a certain with/draining kiss and effects what 4 they have to bring. Or even psyshock for the AV rillabooms which this struggles with atm

[silver ravine]

Yeah that's true, but I won't always bring hatt if I'm bringing csr. Maybe swap out pollen puff for psyshock?

Might switch out single for rapid as well. Still big mad that the kubfu you get in sw/sh comes in a poke ball. Got the kubfu in vio in an ultra ball.

[mighty stump]

Psyshock is also goated for Bolt

[balmy glen]

I’ve seen a mix of both in my friend tofu has rapid on his hardroom rn

[mighty stump]

Note: not me

[silver ravine]

It's a toss up as rapid covers for csr, but can be directed by oger well

[balmy glen]

I read your username and said tofu I meant toppo LOL

[molten oasis]

heh, gouging fire cornerstone strong

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2146634295

[silver ravine]

Not sure what they were thinking teraing grass in front of your gouging fire

[molten oasis]

didnt wanna eat grass move from ogerpon id assume

[mighty stump]

we’re doomed with literacy oh no

[balmy glen]

true

[molten oasis]

ive missed 3/6 play roughs today

and everytime it did it mattered

[mighty stump]

Tera Blast Fairy Zacian time

[dull ibex]

I return

[forest arrow]

lets goo

[dull ibex]

🤔

[molten oasis]

theres the lando t spcial

rock slide flinch that costs me the game

[molten oasis]

3 of my losses have been due to rng

[molten oasis]

its not worthwhile

like

its just a bad day thats all

[balmy glen]

The amount of people para haxing me today is insane but happens

Just gotta roll with it lol

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[stark kindle]

Please refrain from using this language.

[molten oasis]

op, sorry

[mighty stump]

How do we feel about Monke today

[bold geode]

Bruh I ain't even here

[balmy glen]

LOL

[molten oasis]

the monke hate is too real

[mighty stump]

LOL

[molten oasis]

draco ray, thats interesting

cant escape 1300's tho, thats cool

note to self

volt switch is miraidons signature move

[mighty stump]

You know

I love Zhe Zhang’s method of describing the game

[molten oasis]

what is his method of it

[mighty stump]

Like

Its so

Analytical

The language

[molten oasis]

thats neat

[mighty stump]

I feel like it’s a potential by-product of I assume English being non-mother tongue

[molten oasis]

ah

[rustic mountain]

just went to timer w/ playing this wo chien team vs a grim cm terapagos team

(on cart)

[bold geode]

Love it when the CSR runs Shadow Ball

[rustic mountain]

gta get around that wide guard

[balmy glen]

nah id just feint

[balmy glen]

this is why u dont run it

[rustic mountain]

[balmy glen]

wont say who but someone who ran the team had a malding session cuz he made the game go timer 3 games and go into sudden death because of the disconnect

and then he lost and didnt want to play anymore

[rustic mountain]

this team is terrible for sudden death lmao

most games do not go that long atleast from wat ive played. jus wanted to switch it up from other stuff i had been running nd the team seemed cool

id imagine continuously running bo3 sets w/ the team would be really draining

[balmy glen]

id hate to run into the mirror

[rustic mountain]

ive played it a handful of times, it sucks haha

[molten oasis]

that sounds like a miserable mirror

https://pokepast.es/dae3425f1dd7f77f

odd team

[balmy glen]

tbh all mirrors are bad but like a wo chien mirror sounds like the worst mirror of all time

[molten oasis]

fr

[charred saddle]

4 ghost?

[molten oasis]

yea people are cooking in bo3 ladder

[charred saddle]

sub choice band ghold??

[molten oasis]

yep

[charred saddle]

thats troll

[molten oasis]

yep

i fought a few real teams

ice rider and shadow rider stuff

[balmy glen]

what is this 1100s

[mighty stump]

Gonna run Tera Bug Pollen Puff CSR good luck to my opps

[zinc totem]

my vgc team seems work pretty well in casual battles. I got 10 wins 4 losses in total rn

i wonder if im ready try it in ranked

or what would be good indicator that i should try my skills in ranked ladder?

[mighty stump]

I mean

You can just try

Things to check off is just if you’ve already have theorised ideas/tested ideas that work consistently into relevant matchups

And obviously if you’re winning at a high rate (70) over a relevant sample size ~50+ games then

When learning the game don’t get too hung up over a single team and you should only ever be testing in the relevant ladder, focusing instead of just your basics

Casual ladder is very non-indicative of Ranked performance due to higher potential of lower quality matches

[zinc totem]

yeah in these matchups i've seen kyogre and koraidon matchupos which doesnt be too much trouble for me. So far only losses been like kyogre that was so slow that in trickroom it outsped my slowest pokemons or other pokemons that made my TR against me or i met eternatus cosmic power i couldnt overcome while with tailwind or TR. Zamazenta crowned didnt bring me much trouble either (not that it can do much on lunala) which was pretty nice

and most threat pokemons i've managed dealt very shiftly (miraidon,koraidon,cary and such)

[mighty stump]

I mean yeah but again, quality of matches/where you’re playing matters for considerations

[zinc totem]

i see i see

so i would need do ranked 50+ games before i can assess it better

[mighty stump]

Well you don’t necessarily need 50 if you can visualise your important matchups and judge

But just playing a lot of games is always the best way to learn/judge/practice

with active focus

Mindlessly spamming the ladder is also just as pointless

[zinc totem]

yeah i always focus and i dont spam mindlessly, thats why i do casual so i can assess how well i pilot team first

[mighty stump]

Yeah redo it in Master on the ladder

or just do showdown

[zinc totem]

lmao dude i just beat shut down his switch. he didnt wanna rematch me 🤣

[zinc totem]

yeah. i probably will do ranked soon and see how well i fare there

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1788f996a6104ce2 I cooked this Kyogre team up, yeah its a weird team that can definitely work

[mighty stump]

Bro said he cooked and its just TornOgre with worse speed control

[autumn vault]

I switched to Scarf just to get more speed

[knotty mirage]

Is it better to run hydro pump or origin pulse on spec kyogre ?

[autumn vault]

Depends

But sometimes Kyogre's run both and W-Spout

But i generally prefer Origin Pulse

[balmy glen]

LMAO

[patent marsh]

He's so real for this

[balmy glen]

why regileki

[autumn vault]

I wanted to test Kyogre Regieleki, not going back to that

Plus Eleki removes Water Types to make sure the opponents do not abuse my rain

[balmy glen]

Gotcha

[autumn vault]

So it isn't a terrible idea

But i'm too used to TornOgre to move on to a different method of speed control

[balmy glen]

Nothings wrong with tornogre so I mean

If your planning on competing for worlds next season I would start practicing a team n just settle on it but everyone’s going for different goals so idk

[autumn vault]

I don't compete irl

Mostly because Spain barely ever hosts Pokemon Regionals at all

And also because i'm broke

[balmy glen]

Gotcha, I have a friend with the username Shiritu up in Spain idk if yk him but yeah he can’t really go to tournaments either

[autumn vault]

I don't know him but glad i'm not the only one

[mighty stump]

You know how sad I am to be busy settling into my new job abroad with contracts and shit to miss a local this Sunday

My first ever would be local

My rule is whatever first event I attend it has to be with Snorlax

[balmy glen]

I did the same with volcarona

[mighty stump]

I genuinely do not care if I bomb: this is a gonna be a new world I get to learn from

It's so exciting

Time to finally break my own ceiling

[balmy glen]

What area btw

[zinc totem]

how is people ranked games today?

[mighty stump]

Off-topic, played my week 1 of Inkay Games with the theme of only Green//Blue//Purple mons https://pokepast.es/9aa5319f80d32a8d

[mighty stump]

Not a real circuit: moved from Indonesia to Singapore

[balmy glen]

My friends host that

[mighty stump]

Aye, Andrew

[balmy glen]

yeye

[mighty stump]

Won 2-0 Banded Corvi carried

[balmy glen]

Goat

I was watching the adi/ weakness policy only one

[mighty stump]

By not a real circuit I mean it's not the US/EU/OCE etc etc

Sth I learned today was 0 Def Choice Band Corviknight Body Press vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 176-208 (85 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[balmy glen]

Ik, I have some friends in the Asian circuit

Suica for instance hates it lol

[mighty stump]

Lol

[balmy glen]

He wants me to go try out their circuit lmao

He meant it as a joke of course

[mighty stump]

Hey on the bright side

He was still in somewhere with a circuit

💀

Come to Indonesia 💀

[balmy glen]

Pretty sure I have a friend there but I always forget everyone’s locations

[mighty stump]

So far the only prominent Indonesian I know internationally would just be Ald

[balmy glen]

Aldrich?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[balmy glen]

Moment

[mighty stump]

Mish mish

[balmy glen]

Mish master

[abstract grail]

Can baxcalibur cook in reg g

[balmy glen]

Tried it as a niche it’s not bad

[abstract grail]

Loaded dice or did you go for smth else? I wanna use him I just dont know what restricted I'd use along with him

[balmy glen]

Oh I ran it with clear am icicle crash sd protect glaive rush

It was when I was testing mist Suicune with my friend

On the Zacian Suicune team

[abstract grail]

Yeah glaive rush damage on him is insane

[balmy glen]

Honestly looking back at it since it’s clam on the mist Suicune Zacian team u could just add ice shard for some priority option at least but majority of the time Chien is just a better option atm

[mighty stump]

Choice Band Baxcal when

[whole ibex]

Skele? 👀 /j

[wet wedge]

CORVIGOAT

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

Emma

Won my Inkay Games set

[chrome knot]

good morning

yay idk what that means but go you

[mighty stump]

That for fun themed league for content creators hosted by Andrew Armstrong

But yea

[chrome knot]

idk who that is either im ngl

[mighty stump]

Oof

[chrome knot]

too new😵‍💫

[mighty stump]

AndyBakesYT

[chrome knot]

didnt help but its fine

[mighty stump]

Good morning

[chrome knot]

proud of you lol

[mighty stump]

Lol

I'm reviewing eye anatomy

https://pokepast.es/7e34d9d4e82c7fcf the team, it was Series 2 ++

Only gre/purp/blu mons

[chrome knot]

goddamn that goth set & spread is

interesting…

[mighty stump]

U were stingy and I had 20 minutes

Low power format anyways

[harsh marsh]

i just threw a game, and as soon as i clicked my move i figured out how i could have won it.

[mighty stump]

Happens

But at least you figured it out for future reference

[harsh marsh]

i had farigaraf and (Ghost) zam vs their whimsocot and annihlape. i die to 1 rage fist but he also dies to 1 heavy slam. farigaraf only has hyper voice and cant damage annihlape. i know hes gonna tailwind then rage fist to finish me off so i accept my fate. as soon as i clicked the move i realised i coulda protected zam and trick room with farig. i didnt think of it cause zam was faster before tailwind and it woulda been weird if he didnt tailwind

woulda been so fricking cool if i pulled it off too, thats the part that really hurts

[harsh marsh]

i have had alot of "learning" games today 😅

[chrome knot]

so why does farig only have hyper voice

[mighty stump]

Yea true, I do definitely think having two mons on the field that have a tough time hitting Ghost-types would be something to take a look at

[chrome knot]

also why does nobody know zamazentas speed stat like

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[chrome knot]

that guy is fast!!! yes youd outspeed w/o tw unless he is scarfed

[mighty stump]

128

pog

[harsh marsh]

thats what i was saying. i know zam will be faster, thats why i didnt think of trick room until after i clicked. also ill look into swapping a move on farigaraf. i rarely have farig and zam on the field at the same time. farig is supposed to shut down trick room teams with imprison, not set it up himself. its a troll farig set

[chrome knot]

red flags

[harsh marsh]

im allowed to have fun. plus i have found decent success with it

[chrome knot]

just bad team composition

[harsh marsh]

-_- thanks

[chrome knot]

glad i could help

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/girafarig-pokemon-gif-22783096

[plain drum]

So true

[molten oasis]

that guy was living in a kitchen of ashes

[abstract grail]

Bro I just went up a rank from people's wifi disconnecting 💀 Nintendo servers are beautiful

[molten oasis]

ugh, yea i still struggle super hard with tw stuff, now its terapagos chi yu im kinda getting ripped apart from

[abstract grail]

I almost lost a match to fisure 💀 I might have a skill issue

[mighty stump]

Depends on how you were positioning

Could be just RNG

The skill issue is when you let them click Fissure for free enough times that it hit enough to be significant even if it’s once

[abstract grail]

They only used it once lol

[mighty stump]

Then it’s just RNG

[abstract grail]

Yeah

I've been getting a fun theme team to work on the latter, after I test it and tweak it more might make it a rental team cause I'm actually really happy and proud with it so far.

[foggy lodge]

Is 0speed ivs Caly-Ice worth it?

[abstract grail]

Is that possible to get in game without alittle bit of evasive techniques

You guys think I should run U-Turn or Protect on Koraidon

[foggy lodge]

Protect

Unless is choice band/AV

[next stump]

It’s honestly a tough question to answer

I think in general, it’s not better than running 31IV and some speed investment

[chrome knot]

depends your team

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[chrome knot]

i like 31 w/ investment

[foggy lodge]

Idk if not min speed Amoonguss outspeeds you outside of TR

[mighty stump]

If you do make it a rental and choose to post it in the channel please make sure to follow the guidelines and format.

[chrome knot]

you have an inherent advantage over the mirror asw lmao

[next stump]

Amoonguss will always underspeed you no matter what you do

[mighty stump]

Jokes on you guys I run 15 Spe Iron Ball with Trick or something on my sideslot

Room Service CIR when

[chrome knot]

my irl told me room service amoonguss i almost punched his lights out

[mighty stump]

LOL

[chrome knot]

im ngl

eeee its almost saturday

[dapper crag]

lowkey you should run thunderbolt

[mighty stump]

Wild Charge is right there

[chrome knot]

lmao

[dapper crag]

its physical after the new update

[chrome knot]

look how blue their name is

[mighty stump]

Sigh

[chrome knot]

yeah i mean

[mighty stump]

Can you like

Not troll

[chrome knot]

i tried warning you but my mobile fingers dont go quick

[mighty stump]

I mean I like to give One (1) benefit of a doubt

[abstract grail]

Bro what

[chrome knot]

go play in your casual chats please🥺

[mighty stump]

Yeah this really isn’t the place

[dapper crag]

best build for koraidon is will o wisp poison sting nuzzle and mud slap!!!

[mighty stump]

<@&663761167176433665>

I’m tired

[chrome knot]

anyways yeah tofu im not sure what to run for solarflare

[mighty stump]

Dunno

[chrome knot]

im stuck between mirai volc & cir i really like volc but like eh to the rest of the team and cir is just insane

[mighty stump]

Zacian

do CIR + Volc

[twin falcon]

Again, don't troll. Last warning

[chrome knot]

i thought abt it but how do you stick them together

[mighty stump]

I’d almost suggest Quiver Dance + Struggle Bug cause I don’t know how super relevant CC CSR is atm even though it has an upswing

Rage Powder/Wisp useful, again, also unaware of how prevalent Tera Grass Watershifu would be

[chrome knot]

my set on mirai volc was flamethrower struggle bug quiver protect @ leftovers

[mighty stump]

But it shouldnt be a problem with that horizontal coverage sybergy

Yeah I mean I don’t disagree with that

[chrome knot]

it was just standard offence

ill ask olivia tbh what she thinks

[foggy lodge]

Covert Cloak?

[mighty stump]

Yeah Cloak CSR

[chrome knot]

big covert amoonguss fan

[mighty stump]

Same

[foggy lodge]

I've seen many but in BO1 stuff so

[mighty stump]

No its pretty relevant in Bo3

[chrome knot]

i could fuck it we ball burns cir

[mighty stump]

You could

Or just Tera Grass

[foggy lodge]

The sets i saw in BO3 were CM

[mighty stump]

Yeah CM CoCl

Just to differentiate between Close Combat

[strange fjord]

man i hate when csr use cloak. makes thinks annoying for me lol

[mighty stump]

Well if Sitrus didnt trigger, no LO, you don’t see lefties, and Astral Barrage isn’t killing shit at +1/+2 (Spell Tag)

You can assume its CoCl

Easiest way to find out is to click Snarl on something

Lol

@chrome knot You ever consider safeguard?

[foggy lodge]

Is max speed CSR still the standard or are they investing more into bulk?

[chrome knot]

on who even

isnt safe guard no status’

[mighty stump]

Depends really.

[mighty stump]

Or fuck it

Mist Suicune + Faster CIR

LOL

BANDED CIR LETS GOOO

[mighty stump]

Like

[chrome knot]

do i ping a mod now or later

[mighty stump]

I ran enough to always outspeed Mirai

[chrome knot]

[mighty stump]

and other base 135s

and then its a bulk dump and then rest in SpA

I’m aware some are even running maximum bulk

and Brady just released a set of builds that will probably spike usage

Some of which are very bulk investment

[wheat geode]

might not be the typical question to ask here, but im kinda curious if there are any pokemon u guys are heartbroken isn't competitively viable, or have tried really hard to make work but no dice

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot Im generally also more lost on Volc stuff since it feels like it wants to do more than 1 job, but I feel redirection it is an extreme waste

[wheat geode]

just kinda curious honestly

[mighty stump]

Oh, it’s a pretty big list

[chrome knot]

volc just hitssss

[mighty stump]

But thats also majnly I have a different standard

[wheat geode]

i can imagine that with experience comes a lot of disappointment

[mighty stump]

Not really

I had different expectations in general

[chrome knot]

lurantis

[mighty stump]

If it works, lovely

If it didn’tc that’s just the hand we’re dealt

[molten oasis]

...i need help figuring out how to beat CIR

[mighty stump]

But thats also why I got pretty good enough to do what I want

[molten oasis]

i dont know how, its upsetting

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot I think Quiver Dance is just correct since you force “redirect” via offensive threat

[wheat geode]

but was there a pokemon you were really hoping would work out, but didn't in the end?

[chrome knot]

i know qdance is correct

[wheat geode]

lurantis has a baller design so i get what you mean; how were u trying to run it?

[chrome knot]

shes just my favourite but her stats are abysmal

[mighty stump]

I think the main thing is to always have realistic expectations. I always feel bad overall if I can’t get a team to work the way I want it to, favourites or not

Soem of them, I never tried

Like Galvantula

Don’t think it’s ever worth it really

Not in the current format

I’m probablt always disappointed if Snorlax fails

[wheat geode]

i just took a look at em and oof, that's honestly pretty rough

[mighty stump]

But so far it hasn’t

Although not without extreme effort on my part

[wheat geode]

snorlax >>>>>

[mighty stump]

@molten oasis Still on Zacian?

[molten oasis]

yea

howl stuff

[mighty stump]

Run Defiant

Run Annihilape or something

[wheat geode]

anyways was just curious because i woke up from a nap remembering how much i liked tyrantrum's design and was surprised to look up and see it never took off

[foggy lodge]

Howl Zama + SD Zacian reg H trust me

[molten oasis]

how does that help with ice rider tho?

[foggy lodge]

I mean

Kingambit would be good?

[molten oasis]

like, i have the tools to beat CIR

[mighty stump]

I think the biggest discourse is that casual players sometimes have a hard time separating bias from objective competitive viability and there is also an overall poor expectation management throughout most players competitive or itherwise

[molten oasis]

i dont really know how to utilize them

[mighty stump]

Considerations are just different, it’s an unfortunate truth

[mighty stump]

What particular board states suck for you?

[molten oasis]

redirection guy+ice rider

i have no strong spread so i kinda get snowballed easily

[mighty stump]

What redirection guy

Theres more than 1

[foggy lodge]

I suppose is Amoonguss

[molten oasis]

smeargle and electabuzz, also amoonguss

mostly smeargle

[mighty stump]

what do you have

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d81f0bd8b3ea3b8e currently this

[mighty stump]

Then you should watch Kian’s match for review

[molten oasis]

one variant had peli

[mighty stump]

You can try Sub/SD Zacian as well

Mainly SD

[wheat geode]

Oh yeah you've mentioned this to me, and I largely agree haha. Like most of the Pokemon I like aren't very viable competitively, and I've tried getting really into the more serious side of competitive play, trying more competitively viable rental teams and all, but I just don't find it as enjoyable currently as playing a team of pokemon I like. So I've been sticking to that, although it's a much, much lower skill bracket, and just casually learning from there and from watching* pro competitive play for now

[molten oasis]

yea, might need to figure out different lines for koraidon then

cornerstone doesnt really help when theres a flutter and a koraidon on teh field that outspeed and murder it

[mighty stump]

Best to find the space and pace that works for you. Overall, I think people can get more long term enjoyment if they get the bad bad out of the way sooner, and for future games you can do what you want

[mighty stump]

Eh, you get one turn

[rustic mountain]

i learned to like some mons jus b/c of usin em in comp, wasnt a fan of them prior

[molten oasis]

fair ig

[mighty stump]

Gouging is probably your line into Koraidon stuff

[molten oasis]

defiant mon, i mean i want shifu, mm

[mighty stump]

Well for a Defiant mon

You asked what Ape does

Can’t be FO’d

Has Taunt

Has Bulk Up

has sustain

[molten oasis]

yea

so, ape over shifu?

to try out

[mighty stump]

Honestly you should probably be overall running Umbreon lead

You just Yawn spam to control the game as best as you xan

if T1 is redirect + TR

[molten oasis]

i havent tried that

[mighty stump]

Then its pretty safe to just Yawn the redirector (target CIR to punish no Follow Me)

Turn 2 its most likely a Protect on CIR

[abstract grail]

Any recommended EVS a Grimsnarl should reach, I've been running max bulk, but is there any ko marks that's usefull for him that I'm not aware of?

[mighty stump]

you xan also lead Umbreon + Urshifu to further force a punish on either free U-Turn + Yawn into Smeargle to then cycle a FO, while threatening Surging Strikes + Yawn into CIR, which forces Protect T2 from CIR if you managed to pivot out or CIR to pivot out if its the latter scenario

[molten oasis]

mk

[mighty stump]

Like if they Fake Out shifu then its Yawn into the CIR

if they follow me thats the free pivot/KO

[molten oasis]

i think i'll try ape over cornerstone for now, i want rapid

[mighty stump]

Well you dont even have to make a change rn

[molten oasis]

true

alr, hopefully i run into a CIR to try that out

[mighty stump]

If its Electabuzz then you just gotta go for early KO

I think U-Turn can be more Risky if they end up clickjng Glacial Lance

[molten oasis]

yea

although most of the time, so far, they've just clicked tr

oh perf a smeargle CIR team

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2146928038

[rustic mountain]

tofu watchu been on recently? or jus same teams uve been using

[molten oasis]

...great

final gambit ape

just outspeeds shifu, cool

[mighty stump]

1. Standard for CIR teams
2. You fumbled G3 incredibly hard. Yawn control took priority over damage on Annihilape and after not Yawning it should be an automatic double into Farigiraf to deny TR

[molten oasis]

...yep

bad pilot into CIR ig

[mighty stump]

There is 0 value gained from clicking Foul Play into Ape there. He showed his full line in G2 and your adjustment was mostly correct

G1 is just whatever

[molten oasis]

alr

yep just throwing more games

fckn hate opposing speed control man

[mighty stump]

Maybe a helpful exercise would be to write down why you did the plays you did. Like you can stop playing and review the previous set

and recall at the time your reasonings

Then argue with yourself

[molten oasis]

sure, i can try that

yep alright literally cant beat shit for the life of me, just, break, review, stop playing for the day

maybe i wont review im just tilted and pissed now, maybe later

[mighty stump]

You can probably ask the question why you’re super upset bout it often

Almost seems like this whole thing hurts you a lot

[molten oasis]

i fail to understand why im doing so bad rn

i keep making, really stupid calls, i keep poorly positioning

i actively want to play but i go play and just cant pilot anything, and im frustrated at myself for it

how did i go from doing well last reg to throwing constantly this reg

[mighty stump]

That happens to the best of us, and you climbed pretty high once this Reg with Dragapult

You just never stop learning

Its okay to be frustrated but it definitely isn’t worth insulting yourself over

This performance doesn’t cancel your last

There are also other ways to learn outside of playing a lot

Why dont you go talk to Dillon for more CIR stuff?

You can take notes into what tools you have on your team and what interferences you can run realistically

One we already discussed would be Yawn to just stop the momentum from even building

and Umbreon can be a win con

The logic flow dictates that even in a 1v1 Umbreon can win so priority can go towards the sideslots of a CIR team to set up such a board state

Yawn also increases in value the less units the opponent can switch out

[molten oasis]

mk

[abstract grail]

I wanna use dragapault at some point seems fun, granted I think I've tried out litteraly even pseudo at this point except metagross and garchomp lol

[molten oasis]

pao pult is decent

anyway, im gonna go cool off, ill hit up dillon later

genuinely just, frustrated at my peformance the last week but happens ig

[mighty stump]

You’re fine, just some things to constantly improve on

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

[wild brook]

Hi

[dull ibex]

sup

[wild brook]

Hi

[polar canyon]

Sometimes you just gotta find another obsession and come back to pokemon in a few weeks

I do it all the time

[dull ibex]

or months in my case lmao

[molten oasis]

trying out the ape a little

it has gotten crit and murdered by 2 hearthflames now

[bold geode]

The monkey?

[molten oasis]

yes

[bold geode]

Hehe monkey

[molten oasis]

tofu suggested annihilape for howl stuff

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That's something

I think a certain ceiling fixture shall hit my builder again

[molten oasis]

god dammit

kyogre mu feels ass lol

tbf, tw sucks to deal with

[bold geode]

The coin man has treated me well, but I'm finding a very obvious problem with team that I had something else in its place prior for on accident lol

[molten oasis]

i do not, jeez HO spread attackers are kicking my ass

specs terapagos and kyogre feel so rough next to good speed control

i love losing to speed control

mm, i might, i hate this

special attacking spread attacker with speed control or CSR just ruins me

[forest arrow]

why not coaching

[molten oasis]

theres not really a consistent support coaching guy, idt ape is that guy

[forest arrow]

Final gambit pressures protects, to allow mind games for coaching, worked well on that electabuzz team but Alex did say himself that ape was the easiest to let go on the team so I dont blame you

was just a thought if you did try ape

[molten oasis]

well honestly i might scrap this team

howl is so bad into CSR and, any tw team with a spread attacker restricted

miserable

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0m_ytDBA4Y
get in new team report video on adis channel

[bold geode]

I think Tom Hayden's podcast as well as Tub Takes also did vids with Patrick too?

[rustic mountain]

yea

chilling neigh podcast get it right

[bold geode]

Also just saying
I might be doing a Limitless tour tonight idk

[molten oasis]

from this experience with the team at least, i like umbreon

cornerstone is also solid

[devout mist]

Hello I made a team anyone wants to help me test it

[next stump]

what format? singles or doubles?

[devout mist]

VGC regulation G

The official format I think

Ended catching cybertronVGC videos somehow

I'm hooked

[next stump]

glad to hear that 🙂 i cant play now but someone might be able to. In the meantime (if you haven’t been already), play some games on Pokemon Showdown or the in game ladder

https://x.com/vgcvictoryroad/status/1803886363781271889?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

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Pog

[molten oasis]

Congrats!

[balmy glen]

Just got mine as well

[timber falcon]

[craggy dagger]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 131: Lapras

Types

Water/Ice

Abilities

Water Absorb, Shell Armor, Hydration (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/85/80/85/95/60

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[foggy lodge]

Uhhh

It's hard

[balmy glen]

theres a lady in my locals who always has a lapras

I dont understand her team at all

[spiral ridge]

does she make it work?

[sharp cobalt]

Me with Seaking

Alas, the gracious royal goldfish isn't in SV

[brisk spoke]

Hey guys. Some of the other members directed me to here for my question. Could anyone help me with my regulation setg rain team? I'm hitting some snags ha. Also. Idk how to share the rain team I currently have to show you

Any help would be greatly greatly appreciated

[next stump]

Are you playing singles or doubles? just want to clarify

[brisk spoke]

Doubles

[next stump]

I think your easiest bet with rain right now is something like

Tornadus
Kyogre
Urshifu-R
Tsareena/Rillaboom

and then fill out from there

[brisk spoke]

How can I send you a picture of my current team? Maybe tell me who I could get rid of and why ha. I've been an avid pokemon player in my whole life but I am now just getting into the competitive side and it's kind of blowing my mind haha

[next stump]

Chien-Pao is popular, Archaludon has some usage case, Landorus in rain can be crazy, etc.

[brisk spoke]

I'm sorry I don't know if I mentioned. I don't want any legendaries or treasures pokemon.

[next stump]

I’ll send some team archetypes you can mess with

Ooooo that’s tough… Like really tough with the current ruleset

[brisk spoke]

Right now I have
Peliper
Barraskewda
Ludicolo
Urshifu
Meowstic
Chansey

I feel like I'm getting the kind of general idea, But there's something i'm just not getting right ha

[next stump]

This is the best and most recent non-legendary using rain team https://pokepast.es/76b11baf9e9aee30

People used to run like Pelipper/Azumarill wayyyy back but I don’t think that has any chance of working nowadays

You’re fighting a massive uphill battle unless you’re playing other people with the same self-imposing of restrictions

[sharp cobalt]

[brisk spoke]

Can you explain to me How the team works exactly and what it is that makes it so.
Ranked

[brisk spoke]

The one you just sent

[sharp cobalt]

Btw wasnt Archaludon good in rain? Or is it blergh in reg g?

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/96sdU_SqCOA?si=9FdVUYYEkH1_mriL

This video will do a better job of explaining than I can

[brisk spoke]

Is it OK if I private message you?

There is just so much going on in this chat haha lol

[next stump]

I pref to keep stuff here otherwise I lose track of stuff because I don’t check DM’s often

[brisk spoke]

Ok no worries. I completely respect that. Can you tell me what i'm doing wrong with the team that I currently have for my rain team

Right now I have
Peliper
Barraskewda
Ludicolo
Urshifu
Meowstic
Chansey

[next stump]

Chansey does nothing in VGC, Meowstic is a fringe pick that is pretty much worse than something like Grimmsnarl, other than that the team is okay

but TBH i think there is a misconception with rain teams that everything need to abuse the rain

[balmy glen]

i mean she plays for fun. But like she gets a win here and there never faced her myself

[next stump]

if you just have like 1 or 2 attackers that use the rain, that’s enough

[spiral ridge]

well long as she has fun thats good

[brisk spoke]

Like I said, I'm new to the competitive side, so I'm not too familiar with terms. Or the archetypes.

[next stump]

i can’t comment much unless you create a pokepaste with moves and item choices

[sharp cobalt]

Is Floatzel or Barraskewda best? Cuz Floatzel NUKES

[balmy glen]

if you want to test one that already works btw there are a couple proven kyogre teams

[brisk spoke]

How do I send the pokey paste. Just in this chat?

[next stump]

Yep, you should be able to send the link

[balmy glen]

they are quite niche tbh but an overquil worked so

[brisk spoke]

OK, thank you guys. I really really appreciate it, I will go make a poke paste and I will be right back

[gentle crag]

sinfuldom has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[sharp cobalt]

But Overqwil has less straight power right

[balmy glen]

ye it was more of the typing and moveset that made henry run it

[balmy glen]

henry is a funny builder

[sharp cobalt]

Someday, when Seaking returns and maybe it gets smth to make it better, I can run it

[balmy glen]

real

[sharp cobalt]

probably not most old mons arent as minmaxed as Barraskewda, but the thought counts

[balmy glen]

I would prob run clear am on Barra tbh

[daring pumice]

This is facts some very good rain players run volt absorb and lightning rod

[daring pumice]

Also if ur new and using rain I’d definitely recommend lando-I it’s super easy to use

[brisk spoke]

What's lando-I?

[brisk cloak]

Anybody have some good competitive teams built around Gyarados for sword and shield?

[daring pumice]

It’s landorus incarnate, it’s the landorus form that has its arms crossed

The other landorus isn’t super good rn

[brisk spoke]

Ok. Actually hah can someone explain to me what sweepers, and bulks, and all the archetypes do? I've been playing pokemon since red and blue, I thought I knew my shit about pokemon😂 I got into the competitive side now and I feel like a new born baby in the competitive world haha

I feel like once I understand the archetypes, I'll be able to make a better doubles team

Whether it's a rain type or not

[daring pumice]

well sweepers generally are super offensive mon that are usually on the faster side and can dish out dps

[brisk spoke]

What would chansey and umbreon be?

[next stump]

@brisk spoke read through some of these resources. It’s tough to put everything into words here because that’s a very broad question. VGCGuide will help a lot, as will the youtube videos

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[daring pumice]

^^ those are very important

u can’t really make a team until u understand these concepts

[daring pumice]

Chansey is useless and umbreon can be used as a support pokemon

[brisk spoke]

Why is chansey useless? I'm jw. I've noticed it's usually my last standing pokemon. It's just hard to chip any kind of damage when using seismic toss

So even though chansey is useless. Would he be considered a bulk? Or support?

[daring pumice]

Generally speaking mon that you bring should be able to contribute with atleast some damage and chansey can’t rly do that, there are many reasons chansey is bad but the main one is that when you bring a wall Pokémon like chansey (a bulky mon) your opponent can just 2v1 your other pokemon sent out since the chansey just isn’t threatening

[brisk spoke]

Ok that makes total sense. So one last question, and it's probably Another broad one and even possibly a stupid question, But I really do appreciate support, But if you could, let's say Give me kind of like a structure for a team, kinda like in the tcg they recommend for new players making decks to do the 20/20/20 set up, 20 energy's, 20 trainers etc. Is there a structure for a team that might help? For example 1 bulk, 2 support, so on and so forth? And i'm so sorry, if that doesn't make sense lol

[daring pumice]

I think that question gets into more of a discussion about something called cores and synergies let me find that link

[brisk spoke]

I was today years old when I found out that I actually knew absolutely nothing about pokemon😂😂

[timber falcon]

Is this doubles or singles?

[brisk spoke]

Doubles

[timber falcon]

Ah then the restricted Pokémon you wanna use decides your core, along with the play style

[brisk spoke]

But if they're restricted pokemon, I can't use them, or am I wrong

[daring pumice]

Yea that’s something this link doesn’t talk about but ultimately ur core is meant to protect your restricted in this format

[timber falcon]

In regulation G you can use 1

[next stump]

ls4887 is right, the closest thing to what you’re describing would be a core/archtype. Usually a core is the backbone of a team (defensively and offensively) and their types synergize well with eachother. Fire/Water/Grass is probably the most common and with the pokémon available now, it’s typically filled out with Urshifu-Rapid, Amoonguss or Rillaboom, and Incineroar or Chi-Yu

There’s not really like a “beginner mode” core to recommend because it really depends on the team you’re using, I would instead suggest just looking at full teams themselves and seeing what interests you. But keep in mind that not using legendaries in Regulation G is literally playing the game on God mode difficulty, you will struggle to win most games

[timber falcon]

Pretty sure it’s also useful to start off with meta teams to get good insight

[daring pumice]

Yeah that’s a good explanation, basically a core is a group of Pokémon that work well together, that might mean covering eachothers weaknesses, for example take latios and kingambit, Latios can take out all the fighting types that Kingambit struggles with while Kingambit takes care of Ice, Fairy, ghost types for latios

[timber falcon]

And understanding how their core functions

[timber falcon]

Still gotta consider relevant MUs though

[daring pumice]

Yeah true that’s why it’s not a very good core with the matchups in the meta rn I was just thinking of first thing that came to my head

[rustic mountain]

isnt a bad example but latios and zama is a meta relevant example of mons that cover eachothers weaknesses, atleast on a defensive level

[brisk spoke]

Well, I appreciate all of you for real ha. I was in another discord group and actually got kicked out for asking questions and asking for insight. It would have been one thing if I was just asking for handouts and Asking for pokemon, But I genuinely want to understand the competitive side in and out. So thank you, Now, is there anyone who is willing to maybe do a link battle.
So I could test my team out? If not I totally get it. You guys helped me out a lot already ha

[daring pumice]

Yes I’ve seen that more often

[brisk spoke]

What are MUs?

[brisk cloak]

Must not be any good team builders here in this community

[daring pumice]

Matchups

[rustic mountain]

id say try pokemon showdown or #1046572041421197352 for battles

[brisk spoke]

Haha makes sense. Damn I feel dumb lol

[timber falcon]

Ouch

[brisk spoke]

Ok I'll try that Thank you

[gentle crag]

sinfuldom has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[brisk cloak]

Anybody have some good competitive teams built around Gyarados for sword and shield? Let's try again Pokemon trainers

[rustic mountain]

pokemon showdown is a better learning experience tho, especially if ur trynna improve

[next stump]

Why are you building for a game that hasn’t been the main game for 2 years

[timber falcon]

I doubt you’ll find much useful team building advice for swsh here

[next stump]

Even when the game was still played, Gyarados was pretty dead in the meta. It was a shock that it was even played by one player at Worlds at all

[brisk spoke]

Is team building Completely different in that game from this game? Or are they similar

[timber falcon]

Different mons , meta , items, gimmicks

[daring pumice]

I mean it’s the same concepts with the different mechanics and mon

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/c2badffd8e219f37

This is the only good Gyarados team I remember and it’s a super weird and niche team overall, not easy to pick up and play

[brisk cloak]

It's all good it's for my wife that wants a competitive Gyarados team I'll just make something decent for her just been looking for awhile to see if there was anything at the time that was very good

[mighty stump]

INCIN URSHI BOOOOOOM

[brisk spoke]

@next stump @daring pumice @timber falcon @rustic mountain @dapper crag I appreciate your guys help alot. I'm out for now. I got alot of reading to do and alot of crying to do since I found out I know nothing about my all time favorite game since I was a kid hah have a good one guys

[daring pumice]

no beginner cores if u don’t count clefairy caly shadow🗿

[rustic mountain]

np dude gl, its a lot at first, jus take ur time understanding everything nd at the end of the day experience is the best teacher. nd u were linked w/ some good resources to help otherwise

[dull ibex]

the basic bitch core

[brisk spoke]

I absolutely was linked with some good resources. And some good help and good people. I swear yall are gonna hate me by the end of my learning journey😅 but either way I appreciate everyone taking their time answering my questions, and not only answering them, but giving me material to further extend my knowledge on it

[dull ibex]

vgc and vc?

[mighty stump]

CIR is easier to pilot

[dull ibex]

what is cir?

does that mean ice rider?

[timber falcon]

Yes

[brisk spoke]

Incineroar

[dull ibex]

cir doesnt mean incineroar

[brisk spoke]

Ha damn I was wrong lol. That's my que

I meant to put a ? At the end of it

[timber falcon]

Csr = Calyrex shadow rider , Cir = Calyrex ice rider

[dull ibex]

ice rider is the easier trick room mode team ive ever piloted

tbh

[timber falcon]

Cause if done right, tr always gets up?

[dull ibex]

stupidly easy to do right as well

[balmy glen]

moment

[dull ibex]

in comparison to other tr teams of past formats atleast

[balmy glen]

I read someone trying to make a sword and shield comp team for their wife im so confused

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2147122344

ive been hovering 1300-1270 for a while now

which is low elo I think but its pretty good for me on showdown

[mighty stump]

Cuz it dont need to TR

[dull ibex]

this is true

its also really hard to deny tr

[balmy glen]

ill be coming up to u on my new account glhf

[dull ibex]

you too

im taking a small break

[mighty stump]

I havent had a ladder session in like

2 weeks ++

[dull ibex]

I play a game a day atleast

ive been also getting through south park so that cuts into it

I was gonna suggest me play that but uh that could get me into trouble in here so nvm LMAO

[balmy glen]

ive been enjoying the game more prepping for worlds tbh

[dull ibex]

I burnt myself out last year tbh

laddering daily for months with monke drago and tofu burnt me out hardcore

[mighty stump]

Goals help.

[dull ibex]

they do alot

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot How quickly do you think CIR can up the tempo of a game im tryna see sum

[balmy glen]

oh @chrome knot ur friends with rishi

👀

[chrome knot]

yheah

[dull ibex]

well ig ping me if anyone wants to do a vc ima go do something

[mighty stump]

@balmy glen In the nicest way possible did anyone ever tell you that you look like Kenjaku when you smile

[chrome knot]

we were twinning w/ gothitelle during the 4mss series

[balmy glen]

oh gotcha, ye I almost brought the same variant

[balmy glen]

?!

[mighty stump]

yeah like

Similar eye position and wide grin

[balmy glen]

what in the world

[chrome knot]

twinning as in I also just had it on my team not same 6

he was on korai I was on cir lmao

he shows up to our locals hes rly cool

[bold geode]

I mean Keanu
Kenjaku
Really only a few letters off

[patent marsh]

Actually

Now I can't unsee it after seeing his discord banner

[balmy glen]

I have to change my discord banner now 😔

[bold geode]

Lol

[timber falcon]

OH I CAN SEE IT

Lmao he really does look like it

[balmy glen]

damn bullied in my own worlds prep server and now here gg

lmaoooo

[dull ibex]

L ratio

[silver ravine]

Not that familar with anime, but is it really bullying?

Probs worse characters to be compared to

[balmy glen]

no no I’m just kidding

[mighty stump]

I mean Geto’s my favourite character so it’s far from an insult

People would know if I was being insulting, I don’t hide these things lmao

[silver ravine]

Right right and the resemblance is certainly there.

[warped mason]

Would u guys rather run torn over grimsnarl here?

[bold geode]

Yeah fuck you bud

[silver ravine]

He's not your buddy, guy

[bold geode]

Tofu is my friending

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-uh-scout-tf2-gif-12750436057634665505

[bold geode]

Drago
Mis webos in tú boca

Guys wish me luck in this tour cuz imma definitely need it lmao

[next stump]

She’s so cute

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

no

cuz you sent something to me in spanish and i cant understand it

[bold geode]

I'm up against CIR already lol

Time for the trick

[bold geode]

Basically 0-1
Didn't play horrible, they just played better

Playing it out rn but no way I win

[molten oasis]

is CIR a tough mu for you?

wait what did you bring?

[bold geode]

The Ray

[molten oasis]

ah

you'd struggle with that for sure

[bold geode]

It's not a 100% guaranteed MU for sure

But I feel like I just got outplayed in that situation instead of it being a bad MU

[molten oasis]

ah

[foggy lodge]

Did you even pick Rayquaza?

[polar canyon]

Tera normal extreme speed wario-man

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-tale-point-out-lets-go-come-on-oscar-gif-15881952

[balmy glen]

tbh you gotta think abt it with what items you want your restricted to have. If you want your kyogre to be AV and bulky so you can make your spreads different then you go grimm. If you want mystic water kyogre for dmg and want to run more of an HO balance then you go mystic water tornogre combo

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[abstract grail]

https://pokepast.es/2a23a29d01405b09

So I've been cooking up this sorta themed team, what do yall think? The EVS aren't fully opptomised yet, but I think this team is really good actually. It's been working out well for me.

Critiques and recommendedations always nice. You're guys advice always makes my day lol, would not have made it so far in such a short time without yall, shout out to tofu and Torrent yall are real ones ❤️

Oh yeah the theme if it isn't super apperant. It's supposed to be a sun team (cause it's summer thought it'd be fun) that has an emphasis on Prankster, using pokemon that either look or lore wise are "tricksters." It was hard to pick a restricted to match the theme so I ended up just using Koraidon

[balmy glen]

Sitrus berry Korai

But with no set up

Interesting

I would prob go like bulk up if your going to be screens sitrus over u-turn

[abstract grail]

Okay, I'll test that out. Thank you.

I'll probably switch out Icy wind for Protect and eq for protect aswell I think

[balmy glen]

Do scary face on torn instead and protect over eq ye

[abstract grail]

Ooo scary face is smart I wouldn't have thought of that

[balmy glen]

Ye your team seems sort of weak to hardroom and amoongus tbh

[abstract grail]

I'm normally able to stall out trick room with grim, but yeah amoongus I'm definitely scared of.

[old horizon]

I have a question is hatterene still competitive

[balmy glen]

Tbh it really struggles rn but a lot of niche stuff can workout rn so it’s not like it’s impossible, the thing that hurts hatterne a lot right now is the fact that it needs indeedee

[old horizon]

Ah okay

[abstract grail]

Would tossing Taunt on either grimsnarl or tornadus help with my amoongus matchup?

[balmy glen]

i mean u can paralyze ur own mons and grimmsnarl is already nice with t wave so

just keep t wave

[abstract grail]

Paralyzing my own mons is not a strat I ever would've thought of lol that's pretty neat

[autumn vault]

Helps against Amoonguss

[balmy glen]

if u end up struggling too much into amoongus u can just use misty terrain grimmsnarl

its not like your teams speed creeping much unless u raise your speed calcs specifically for some things

[frozen finch]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-2558655191726498734

Among us

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2147349372-rms9dpkyfvc9adza1x5zo2ykzq24p33pw I have fallen off from 1500 elo to 1300 elo, defeated a Tera Electric CIR Copycat

[abstract grail]

True!

[graceful flare]

I have a pet axolotl

[mighty stump]

Is Snorlax still competitive

[azure ether]

@autumn vault thank you for the turtle rental! I've been practicing with it both on PS and Cart and have been getting positive results. one question tho, your notes say that Pagos is 236 HP and max SpA but the paste says max HP / 204 SpA. I've been running max HP without noticing but you might want to update the calcs or the paste itself?

[gentle crag]

blink6138 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

204 SpA is not intentional

Its meant to be 236

Let me go update that

[azure ether]

oh shoot I've been running wrong EVs all this time hahaha

[autumn vault]

It happens

Mistakes happen more than you'd think

[azure ether]

it got me wins so it's alright

[autumn vault]

And also it's meant to be 20 Spe

https://pokepast.es/207397d4ee0f1dc1 Fixed it

[mighty stump]

Tsk tsk careless careless

[autumn vault]

Ik, mistakes happen

And yes it's my fault that it happened

[azure ether]

no shade btw, it's all good!

I just reread the notes and just realized after a few bo3s

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik you don't mean any offense

That was just to someone else, not you

And i got a calc to fix anyways

All done, there should me no mistakes in the rental notes/paste

[next stump]

good morning y’all

[autumn vault]

Good Morning Dillon

[frozen finch]

Mine died 😦

[molten oasis]

you forgot how to think?

[autumn vault]

Kind of

Only when i play Pokemon competitive

I did so many brainless plays today without thinking

Maybe that happened because i was tired

[molten oasis]

ic

[autumn vault]

I'm sorry for your loss

Even if it was probably weeks/months ago

[mighty stump]

Morning

[graceful flare]

O sorry

[mighty stump]

@next stump Gimme your opinion

Whats the most aggressive Reg G team

[sturdy geyser]

Does anyone know the perfect pokemon for beating Academy Ace Tournament?

[mighty stump]

Sylveon or Chi-Yu iirc

For autofarming it

[sturdy geyser]

Ah OK cheers

Coz my white kyurem died 😭

[mighty stump]

With Specs btw

You can look it up on Game8 or sth

[autumn vault]

They fallen off hard
Recently people have been using Metronome Kyurem-W, CIR and Arceus Fairy

[sturdy geyser]

Look what up? Good AAT Pokémon?

[sturdy geyser]

What’s CIR?

[mighty stump]

How am I supposed to know, I don’t use Ace Academy to farm lol

[autumn vault]

Calyrex ice rider

[sturdy geyser]

My White Kyurem has specs

[mighty stump]

We have an item printer for free

[sturdy geyser]

Ah OK

[autumn vault]

I just wanted to correct you, thats all

I also wanted to help Taylor

[mighty stump]

Ok

[mighty stump]

Probably, that seems to be where people get this sort of information from

[sturdy geyser]

I would usually use item printer but farming happiny line materials is tiring

[next stump]

I haven’t played in 2 weeks but from what was common then, it’s gotta be the Miraidon/Chi-Yu stuff

most games are determined off lead matchup

[abstract grail]

Should Koraidon invest into speed usually? I've been running max HP and ATK, putting the rest into speed, and haven't run into any issues only caly shadow can outspeed usually, but thought I'd ask the more experienced rq

[molten oasis]

how much speed are you using

and zac, should, be outspeeding koraidon as well

imo at least

[forest arrow]

Korai is the same speed tiers as mirai, flutter, chien iirc

[molten oasis]

i dont see a reason to not hit at least 206

on zac

unless you want to be bulky with adamant

and even then zac has great nautral bulk

[abstract grail]

Zac? Eh?

Oh Zacian

I'm dumb lol

Hmmm, noted thank

[next stump]

what’s your final speed stat?

and I’m guessing you’re Adamant nature?

[mighty stump]

Mm okay

The Miraidon formula is probably suitable for what I want, I just kinda don’t want to play Miraidon LOL

[dapper crag]

Choice specs flutter mane

👉👈

[abstract grail]

I've just been running Koraidon with base speed an haven't run into really any issues so far, but I was wondering what yall usually go for.

[next stump]

That’s a pretty rough speed tier, you’re only hitting a final stat of 156

A lot of pokemon will outspeed that, I’d consider bumping it up

Koraidon’s not really meant to be a bulky pokemon, that’s why you leverage your crazy offenses with a defensive tera to live hits

[chrome knot]

nuclear bomb

[abstract grail]

Makes sense, thank.

[mighty stump]

Honestly

Okay

[chrome knot]

yeah

no problem

[mighty stump]

Bro i dont wanna play this stupid hitachi lizard

im bored

[molten oasis]

But isn’t it what you asked for?

Aggressive team

I mean, koraidon is something you could do