competitive_discussion

[craggy dagger]

ideally you’d not want to run it

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt start w/ av swampert as ur jumping off point. niche picks are supposed to fill out a basically already finished team and patch holes in mus

[bold geode]

Ideally you want to pair Swampert with the delete button

[rustic mountain]

otherwise ur kinda jus throwing darts at a board and jus building shit just to build it

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[timber falcon]

but then how would i build a team around it...

[craggy dagger]

the niches i run are stylized so that you can run the entire team
not just that one pokemon

[autumn vault]

Then use pokemon that have issues that Swampert fixes

[rustic mountain]

u dont man, thats the point

[timber falcon]

thats what im tryna figure out

[bold geode]

I gave you a duo man
Swampert and the dumpster

[craggy dagger]

you don’t build around a niche pick
you add niches into an already existing team to see if the niches can patch up holes in your MU’s

[rustic mountain]

u dont build a team around an off meta pick like swampert, its a recipe for disaster, especially in a restricted format

[craggy dagger]

unless your niche is a restricted.
in which case then you don’t rlly have much of a choice

[timber falcon]

hmm i see

[bold geode]

Yeah you don't build around niches
You try to see "how does this niche fix/help something established"
You think the winner of Taiwan nats built around Chandelure?

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

but, what if i find a restricted that benefits from what it can provide?

[craggy dagger]

that’s usually not the case

[rustic mountain]

hobbitvgc got top 8 at naic w/ overqwil, u really think he hit the builder and was like man wat do i build around overqwil. hell no lmao it wound up being good for certain mons/mus for his team and had decent typing overall into the meta

[graceful flare]

Swampert no wide guard?

[craggy dagger]

it’s gotta be the other way around-

[graceful flare]

That's like using incin as a sweeper

[timber falcon]

ok so i gotta get cooking a team first

[craggy dagger]

speaking of, that overqwil is more support oriented as wel bc acid spray for fast SpD drops

[autumn vault]

Which helps Kyogre

[craggy dagger]

yep

[rustic mountain]

yea it honestly makes a lot of sense for what he already had

[autumn vault]

You don't build around non-restricted niches

You build around good pokemon, complete the team and then use niches

You know, to fix some MUs that would otherwise be troublesome

[timber falcon]

"you build around pokemon"- Lycopoky

[bold geode]

That's part of what I just said lol

[craggy dagger]

as well as the other mons on the team like lando I

[timber falcon]

i thought i built around apples

[autumn vault]

I corrected it

[lethal zinc]

Wasn’t this same point already said like 4 times.

[timber falcon]

aww

[bold geode]

Well reading is hard so

[autumn vault]

😈

[rustic mountain]

yep

[craggy dagger]

since rain synergizes with both swift swim for fast SpD drops and Scarf Speed Lando no miss sandsear I

[timber falcon]

ok so what im getting is im doing this the wring way round

[craggy dagger]

unfortunately so

[rustic mountain]

bingo

[craggy dagger]

yes

[graceful flare]

Bro use wide guard on swampert

[bold geode]

Yeah wrong way

[graceful flare]

It's approved by doctors to increase winrates

[autumn vault]

let him cook

[timber falcon]

thats not the point of this conversation

[autumn vault]

You don't know how Swampert works

So let OTOT speak ans decide himeslf

[craggy dagger]

i think this would be…
a good example

https://pokepast.es/2b65b4f8d4db8040

[timber falcon]

lol i got no idea either

[bold geode]

Figure how the niches help something else
For example, Chandelure helps Zamazenta as it can wall Koraidon, which is not one of its best MUs

[craggy dagger]

though that mirai is now max max cause im stupid

[graceful flare]

I need to use auraqanid

[rustic mountain]

me wen lando i outsped ur miraidon outside of tw:

[graceful flare]

For wide guard

[craggy dagger]

even then that team looks pretty standard and okay…

[timber falcon]

aight so restarting the process, ive gotta choose a restricted set that can work

[craggy dagger]

the only niche there is dragon cheer jugulis imo

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/be0002489316b9f6 This team is what i built before

[rustic mountain]

volc is somewhat niche no?

[timber falcon]

is it really?

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say its common

[autumn vault]

I use tyranitar because it covers for fire types that CIR hates while CIR covers the grass/ground types that tyranitar hates

While also providing sand

Which helps Farigiraf goggles and ursaluna

[timber falcon]

it doesnt help them though

[autumn vault]

I reccomend to find the niche's best pairing thats a restricted

[bold geode]

Zama Ttar better pairing

[timber falcon]

it chips ur opponent

[autumn vault]

2 ground and fighting weaknesses? Nah

Tyranitar + CIR better pairing

[bold geode]

Same concept as Kon Mo O Ttar

[autumn vault]

Except Kommo-O has a different type

[rustic mountain]

id recommend using already established good teams and really understanding the meta and why good mons are good. a lot of yall skip that part and wanna go right to the teambuilding

[bold geode]

And both are weak to Fairy

[timber falcon]

ive done that part

[autumn vault]

I still prefer CIR Tyranitar

[timber falcon]

looking at succesful teams and thier cores

[rustic mountain]

then how in the world did u land on swampert as a starting point for a team

[timber falcon]

teambuilding is still a blur for me lol

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[autumn vault]

Here are teammates for swampert @timber falcon

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regg/1760/Swampert

[craggy dagger]

volcie to force random teras

[lethal zinc]

I think a better question would be, why do you want to use Swampert, because you like it or because you feel it fills a certain niche or thing you enjoy?

[bold geode]

Bad decisions

[bold geode]

This right here

[autumn vault]

He loves Swampert, its because of bias

[timber falcon]

well 1 cause i like it, but now i find the fact it learns counter and mirror coat very interesting considering its bulk

[bold geode]

Things that honestly don't help it enough

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Oh for you I'm just putting you in the shops, that's your reason
Now back to Dark Eleki

[craggy dagger]

IM TRYINGGGG
THERES JUST NO CALY SHADOW FOR ME TO BEAT UPPPP

[bold geode]

Lol

[craggy dagger]

also it’s ghost now bc fake out

[rustic mountain]

its not a bad decision to look at a mon and think it may fill a niche, but the way in which you go about doing that which many of us had pointed out matters and otot was doing it the other way around

[autumn vault]

Go back to making No 3 jokes

[bold geode]

Yeah
I was saying it cuz of Swampert though

[lethal zinc]

Okay, so you have a starting off point for the roles you want it to fill. You mentioned seeing common cores and mons and how they work, do you objectively believe that Swampert can do what you want it to do without compromising the team’s integrity?

[bold geode]

Ok dumbass no 3

[autumn vault]

I asked for it

[timber falcon]

well, yeah

[lethal zinc]

I can win one game with a nonfunctional team and that doesn’t make that team necessarily good.

[autumn vault]

Don't attack Monke

[bold geode]

Amon speaking faxx

Amon knows comp ayo

[autumn vault]

The real question is: Who are the other 2 dumbasses?

But Amon is speaking Fax

[rustic mountain]

i mean its done ok in past formats, idk about this current one tho

[craggy dagger]

zama eleki incin waterpon fari pao is what i came up with…

[bold geode]

Eh my bad bruh
I saw 2 reflections of you

[craggy dagger]

by no means is this the best but i think i can make it work

[lethal zinc]

It’s still worth playing around with as long as you temper your expectations, imo.

[rustic mountain]

amons done comp b4

[autumn vault]

I knew you would respond like this

[timber falcon]

lol i dont have much expectations

but it think if i realy research this, i can make it work

[lethal zinc]

That’s key for any niche pick, balancing that you’re not reinventing the wheel per-se, but maybe you’re just having some fun with a mon you like in a competitive format and that’s okay, as long as you’re enjoying it.

[craggy dagger]

amon speaks wise words

[bold geode]

Yeah or also realizing how "hey I think this can work cuz ......"

[lethal zinc]

I have wisdom to dispense occasionally.

[autumn vault]

Finally, someone who doesn't spout nonsense

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

And actually knows what they are talking about

(Amon)

[craggy dagger]

so for the ppl who spout nonsense, does that include you? /t

[timber falcon]

Nova and tree weren’t really spouting nonsense though lol

[autumn vault]

Sometimes

[timber falcon]

Made points I didn’t consider

[autumn vault]

I will admit i do have some bad takes

[craggy dagger]

i’m a niche player so like-
though all my niche teams are GARBAGE at least i know how to use it and what niches they fill

and so i know what im doing

[bold geode]

Yeah guys I spout nonsense all the time

[autumn vault]

Fair point

[autumn vault]

Thats because you are a dumbass sometimes

[craggy dagger]

you heard it here-
i cook up inedible garbage

[lethal zinc]

I think that a lot of comp people by far have experience and abilities to back up whatever they say, but a lot of it is anecdotal, and while I’m not naming names, the overall channel culture tends to lean towards tagging each other as the first response; whether it be out of genuine affection or malice. To an outsider, it just sounds like people are shitting on each other for no reason,

[bold geode]

I'd never do that, fuck you

[craggy dagger]

that’s fair
i try my best to help but to no avail

[bold geode]

Then consider me a raccoon, cuz I like looking at that shit

[autumn vault]

I try to help
But it can go quite far

[timber falcon]

Lol that’s what half of it actually is

[autumn vault]

I don't tag as much nowadays

[craggy dagger]

we just fire back with our own opinions too often i think

[lethal zinc]

I think anyone who spends enough time here knows it’s mostly in good fun.

[autumn vault]

Thats a good point

[timber falcon]

An idea will be said and at least 2 people will go “that’s shit don’t do it”

[lethal zinc]

I’m merely offering up my take as a mostly passive observer.

[bold geode]

I try to help myself, I do also be dumb but like
I ain't tryna be smart all the time like "oh sir did you see the analytics that Pikachu went down .03% in usage today ah yes"

[autumn vault]

I think this chat can be quite intense

[timber falcon]

Intense?

[autumn vault]

And when i say quite intense i mean more intense than a boulder chasing you while you run from it

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah I can see that

[autumn vault]

Overexaggeration ik

[craggy dagger]

i’m gonna go use bash zama…
i wanna be able to have consistency-
cause slam calcs your weight and opponents weight so it’ll do nothin to cir…
is what i’m thinking but maybe im wrong?

[autumn vault]

But i want to say, sometimes it gets really intense

[bold geode]

You're gonna Body Press into CIR always

[autumn vault]

Fair

Plus you would only use Bash/Slam on Ghosts and Fairies

[craggy dagger]

isn’t press resisted?

[bold geode]

Behemoth Bash at -1 misses Flutter KOs more

[bold geode]

Neutral

[craggy dagger]

oh ok nvm then

[autumn vault]

Zama 1: why can't i bash into it?
Zama 2: You are at -1, you probably won't ohko, i can OHKO with heavy slam and i am at -1

[bold geode]

Heavy Slam at -1 can miss out too, just better odds

[timber falcon]

So at the end of the day, heavy slam does more to more relevant targets

[autumn vault]

Yeah basically

[rustic mountain]

i think every1 has bad takes at some point or another, i think recognizing wen they are in retrospect is important tho. and yea wat amon said b4 and ive also said is making the distinction what kind of player you want to be, i think theres disconnect a lot of times because people arent very clear where they fall in that regard

[craggy dagger]

EV’s are a bit scuffed but
opinions on this?

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Atk / 100 Def / 116 SpD / 12 Spe
Impish Nature

• Protect
• Iron Defense
• Heavy Slam
• Body Slam

[bold geode]

Flutter gotta be more bulky for Heavy Slam vs Bash

[bold geode]

Um Nova
Read that last move carefully

[timber falcon]

Ah yes, body slam zama

[autumn vault]

lol

[craggy dagger]

whoops-

press zama

[next stump]

This chat is split into ladder warriors and more serious players that want to play tournaments, and it’s tough to listen to takes from one side when you’re on the other

[bold geode]

Running Heavy Slam and just Medium Slam

[autumn vault]

Heavy slam > Behemoth Bash

Also why is there less Zama running iron defense?

[bold geode]

Then there's me who wants to compete but can't

[autumn vault]

I noticed it in NAIC

[bold geode]

The Wide Guard set MDB, Keanu, and Michael Zhang run is just more popular

[craggy dagger]

i don’t fit in either
i’m just here to have fun and help with my niche knowledge

[lethal zinc]

Dillon and Tree bring up good points about the delineation and the mindset changes that arise from being on either side.

[autumn vault]

Wide Guard is a very good move, but giving up a way to boost bulk/damage is something to consider

[bold geode]

Well it's the first set that saw success so obviously people may gear towards that a bit more

[autumn vault]

I still will Run Iron Defense

[craggy dagger]

tbf wide guard is more popular cause when it’s restricted, spread moves become rlly popular

blades, pulse, barrage, lance

[bold geode]

And I mean success as in circuit success
After all look at Kommo O
First it ran really only Clangorous set, but then Michael Zhang won with IDBP set and that became the go to

[craggy dagger]

can’t forget starstorm too

those are like prolly top moves being used in this regulation that have high base power so

being able to shut it down with wide guard is nice

[bold geode]

Yeah
Plus people wanted Wide Guard and Protect on Zamazenta, so it wasn't until then that people realized "hey Zamazenta doesn't 100% need Iron Defense"

IDBP Zamazenta is good, but it's also entirely preference

[rustic mountain]

i think ur right tho, sometimes it can get a bit heated and feel often as ppl are targetted. i jus try and help ppl nd sometimes feel like tough love is the approach to try nd get ppl to understand. if it comes off as that i def dont mean it like that and apologize to otot if it did

[craggy dagger]

mhm!
zama is already bulky and it gets +1 on switch in (though they nerfed it) so it doesn’t need iron defense to set up more

[craggy dagger]

don’t think too much abt it though
this is a competitive game so when it comes to opinions, people usually stand their ground and defend it like it’s their life
happens in all competitive games so yk…
it’s not uncommon to be heated often

[bold geode]

I will say that depending on set though, the team wants to naturally favor whichever you choose

[craggy dagger]

i think mine should run wg now that i’m looking at it…

[bold geode]

IDBP Zamazenta wants to have a team that favors the setup a bit more, meanwhile with the other set, going on offensive terms is easier to accept

[lethal zinc]

I think there’s this almost innate frustration with the bad actors that come in deliberately with the intent to stir shit or cause problems that the go to attitude within the channel can be rather tough love or at the very least, not as warm as some other spaces. Which I think is a byproduct of competitive spaces being home to particularly spirited people. Of course. This isn’t necessarily about you in particular, but just an observation,

[craggy dagger]

wide guard for this team right

[rustic mountain]

yea but this channel used to be way more toxic so i wouldnt wanna contribute in any way to it backsliding in that regard. i hated how it was beforehand so i think finding a middle ground is possible albeit not w/ every1 but atleast in the general sense

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Yeah can do that

[bold geode]

Oh I heard the tales lol

Tofu told me about the old age

[craggy dagger]

the first channel i came to check out when i joined the server was this and it was-
scary

[autumn vault]

Can anyone tell me how bad it was?

I was only a part of this in October and left in January, came back in February

[rustic mountain]

yea fair enough, i think thats there for sure but for me its more the day to day here where the disconnect and frustration lies. the trolls and what not def can stir shit up but usually its just between regulars. i jus think theres players who havent figured out where they wanna be on the competitive spectrum and if they have, dont make it clear that hey i jus wanna have fun i dont care about winning many games

usually its the opposite sentiment of wanting to have best of both worlds but not being there quite yet to really execute it like other players do/have

[balmy glen]

the only thing i've lost to with csr is csr xd

[rustic mountain]

seems about right

[balmy glen]

csr is literally too broken

[lethal zinc]

For sure, I think discovery is like paramount in these spaces and when you’re trying to figure it out and you have x person saying do x and y person saying do y but you aren’t at a point where your game sense can allow you to consistently pull off either, I can imagine it’s frustrating.

[rustic mountain]

definitely

[graceful flare]

No it's not its high attack stat is balanced out by it not having some sort of ability that increases its attack like koraidon or kyogre

[lethal zinc]

not like this

[balmy glen]

ok then

[graceful flare]

Oh yeah I forgot about its speed to

Yeah I guess it's good

But not broken

[autumn vault]

Don't worry

Im im im is new

He's still learning

[craggy dagger]

i’m on my way to rain on your csr parade with ghost tera blast eleki /j

[graceful flare]

No im certified I've been playing for like 3 months

[balmy glen]

that

does not do anything but uh

[graceful flare]

But I only get a game or 2 in a day

[autumn vault]

You're not certifiied yet

[craggy dagger]

sounds stupid ik

[autumn vault]

I played since last year

[graceful flare]

Haven't played for 3 days now

[bold geode]

It was before I joined, but it was not good, at least what I've heard

[autumn vault]

And everyone here has more experience than you

[craggy dagger]

if it’s not sashed and not tera’d it would ohko no?
or am i missing smth-

[willow vault]

I used to run Tera ghost Urshifu-r cs, to OHKO Calyrex-s, right at the start of the format but I don’t anymore

[autumn vault]

I must scroll through mentions of como chat and tofu then

[balmy glen]

no no

its just I have smeargle so...

[bold geode]

Allow me to show you the Juggy boy (plz don't be Fairy Tera Cloak)

[bold geode]

Nah I wouldn't

[autumn vault]

I still want to

[graceful flare]

Did zacians attack increase every turn in gen 8

[bold geode]

Idek if anything is still there

[willow vault]

Well you will be in for a rude awakening

[craggy dagger]

nvm then

[graceful flare]

Or just once per swirch in

[craggy dagger]

eh worth a shot

[bold geode]

Zacian would get an attack boost everytime it switched in vs now where it's just once

[graceful flare]

Please 1v1 me

I'll beat you and prove I deserve to get into worlds

[lethal zinc]

I don’t think you’ll get the reaction you really want out of this, it just comes off as sad.

[autumn vault]

I can tell that you aren't, yet

[rustic mountain]

plz stop asking ppl to 1v1 u

[balmy glen]

pls dont @ me for silly things

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/d9e70ff1fd5bbe8b

https://pokepast.es/566dbccf9cbbf8c4
i’m still debating on…
grass or ground tera chi yu

[graceful flare]

Thw only reason I can't get to worlds is bc there's no tourney near me and If there was they would say I'm too good to enter

[rustic mountain]

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[graceful flare]

Keane I just wanted to play u

[bold geode]

So I can't ping you for my teams 😭

[next stump]

0-3 drop

[graceful flare]

Nope

[bold geode]

LOL

[balmy glen]

no u can lol

[bold geode]

Yay

[balmy glen]

im just trying to do stuff a comp helper would do ig

[bold geode]

Yeah lol

[graceful flare]

So no 1v1?

[bold geode]

No obviously lol

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[autumn vault]

Doesn't seem like it

[willow vault]

Oh yeah Keanu, that team was really solid, thanks

[bold geode]

Reading is hard

[craggy dagger]

all your help is much appreciated
having a top 8 being helper :0

[graceful flare]

There's this guy

From a server who I help in comp in dms

[bold geode]

We also got a top 16 in @next stump LET'S FUCKING GOOOO

[craggy dagger]

yessssss

[rustic mountain]

we have quite a few ppl here w/ good results. yotam as well

[balmy glen]

np if you need help with lines let me know

[graceful flare]

And i got him from beginner and now he's in great ball

Only if he stopping using his faves I could help him better

[balmy glen]

ye i love yotam hes really chill

[rustic mountain]

he seems it yea

[craggy dagger]

i’m gonna-
try for top 10 next season-
though it’s prolly not gonna happen

[rustic mountain]

go for it

[balmy glen]

its my first season but i've improved a lot with a lot of grinding ngl

[graceful flare]

Actually what am I doing rn I'm on a long bus trip using discord I'd get made fun of it for using it here bye for now

[rustic mountain]

crazy first season

[autumn vault]

Nice

[craggy dagger]

i’m prolly not gonna be able to play much for cp but aiming for day 2 first is a good mark right?
(ofc this is like after a couple events cause first one is always to just have fun)

[rustic mountain]

id say so

[balmy glen]

yeah thats a good mark to hit

[rustic mountain]

also take urself seriously, dont limit ur result. u can still go to have fun and do well

1st irl tour or otherwise

[balmy glen]

my first tour was just me trolling last year and my first round was against aaron zheng and he didnt show up

[rustic mountain]

lmao wtf

thats hilarious

[bold geode]

He was given the teamsheet beforehand and went "nah"

[autumn vault]

I live in a country that doesn't usually host regionals

So i can't compete in in-person tournaments

[bold geode]

He said I can't give this live commentary as I go

[rustic mountain]

wat would be a fire story would be yall face at this worlds

cuz he qualified too

[autumn vault]

I want to aim for top 500 in-game ladder ngl

Summer's around and i have more free time

[bold geode]

Actually I commented it on Twitter
But he just graduated from college and I was like "ok now what you do is you become a teacher so you can provide live commentary irl as you go"

[rustic mountain]

[autumn vault]

I also want to push my teams and skills to the furthest

Actually improve at a good pace and not a slow one

I want: Top 500 in switch ladder
1600 elo or 1700 elo on PS ladder

[rustic mountain]

wheres ur peak at

[bold geode]

Yeah ik the whole squad laughing hehe
Why the fuck do I do this

[autumn vault]

Like 1550 in PS ladder

And top 3000 in Reg C

With mausape in Reg C

1550 in PS Reg G

[bold geode]

Pepperidge Farms remembers MausApe

[rustic mountain]

word, gl

[willow vault]

1500 in both reg f and g

In bo1

In bo3, probably 1350

[bold geode]

I almost hit 1600 in Reg D ladder 3 times

[rustic mountain]

and then?

[rustic mountain]

keep going

[balmy glen]

man self wisping on an amoongus incin lead has to be the most amusing thing

[bold geode]

Failed lmao

[willow vault]

Well currently playing terraria

[rustic mountain]

the james baek special except he did it with rk9

[rustic mountain]

i meant in general

[willow vault]

Yessir

[rustic mountain]

damn

keep going (nd maybe ditch zama)

[autumn vault]

I got to master rank earlier with my most recent rental

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

I want to keep going

And fill the notes up a little more

I really like HO Pagos

[balmy glen]

no zama is good

[bold geode]

1. Reg D
2. Nah not unless for content lol

[craggy dagger]

zama is cool

[chrome knot]

i think spamming legendaries is cheap in vgc

[rustic mountain]

im jus messing w/ monke cuz hes such a big zama fan

[chrome knot]

no skill in using the same pokemon :/

@craggy dagger hai bean

[craggy dagger]

rate my team
chi yu, chien pao, suicune, entei, koraidon, raging bolt

[chrome knot]

uhm

[balmy glen]

fr fr thats why i just started to spam starter pokemon like incin and rillaboom because of course they are worse 🙂

[chrome knot]

im gonna have a meltdown i think

[craggy dagger]

awe-
don’t melt yet

[willow vault]

Smart

Don’t want to put your opponent at a disadvantage

[chrome knot]

they nuked my local scene btw

[chrome knot]

whattaheck why not

[next stump]

it’s so tragic lol

i think there will be a 50ish% reduction in my locals next year

[chrome knot]

our card shops dont want us so we ran out of an esports arena

[next stump]

GG

[rustic mountain]

idk wtf their thought process was other then lets make it harder for players

[chrome knot]

and we’re getting way less points like what the fuck was the point

i hate tpci

[next stump]

yeah lmao +15 for winning a local now most likely

[rustic mountain]

[next stump]

makes sense when there are 10+ tourneys per week for TCG but if you got like 1 or 2 per month for VG and that’s all you get…

[craggy dagger]

oh wtf-
i need to check my area-

[rustic mountain]

why is it tcg gets so many more?

even w/ the new set up ? or is this just vg specific

[next stump]

card games stores loveeee hosting TCG locals

[craggy dagger]

[next stump]

they profit a lot on them

[autumn vault]

I dont compete but this seems unfortunate

[rustic mountain]

ahhh right

[next stump]

VG players don’t buy stuff at card stores

[rustic mountain]

[craggy dagger]

that’s not trueeeee
whatever happened to collectors

[chrome knot]

well why tf would i buy cards

[balmy glen]

thank god this barely effects SoCal locals

[chrome knot]

like tbh

[balmy glen]

@next stump what part are you from

[next stump]

near chicago

[chrome knot]

so see you @ madison regional

[craggy dagger]

when are we hiking again-

[next stump]

if any regional is within a 6 hour drive, i’m there

[chrome knot]

whenever vancouver regional is

[craggy dagger]

i realize i’m gonna be fucking busy with school

[chrome knot]

oop

[rustic mountain]

what if its 7

[craggy dagger]

pft it’s uni i can just throw logic out the window

[rustic mountain]

[craggy dagger]

whaaaat-
it’s uni-
i can relax-

[chrome knot]

this is true

[craggy dagger]

no more stupid IB self reflections and projects every single day

[next stump]

shitttt i’m still there

[rustic mountain]

respect

[bold geode]

Now what about 7.5?

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger look pms i became the happiest girl alive today

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/id-like-that-frank-sheldon-christopher-walken-the-outlaws-i-would-love-to-gif-25275332

[bold geode]

Dillon just comes back like "oh now 7.5 that's just asking a lot"

[zinc totem]

i see some competitive teams that uses latias, why they give it tera poison ? im curious cuz wouldnt tera electric be as effective?

[willow vault]

Outside of the ground immunity, poison is just a better defensive typing

More resistances into important types

[autumn vault]

This is true

[balmy glen]

people are using latias?

not latios?

[willow vault]

idk

[foggy lodge]

people are using the eon duo?

[chrome knot]

nope

actually maygbe latios is being used

[willow vault]

Not commonly

[zinc totem]

latias is support pokemon with tailwind and such

and is bulkier than latios

[balmy glen]

what elo is this

Ik that dw but like

Latias is just significantly worse

I guess it might fit some people’s niches

[zinc totem]

could be, for me i was planning using it my support pokemon too unless i use lunala instead but

but i randomly saw few latias teams and i think they were somewherre in middle elo?

mist ball rocky helmet ice beam recover and tailwind i think was their used move pool and item

[zinc totem]

or they like latias looks more too

which i can get behind

[bold geode]

Better into Fairy moves
Steel is also better tbh

[zinc totem]

ooh i see

tho poison doesnt get murdered by fighting types or fire types like chi-yu

[bold geode]

You resist them prior though

[zinc totem]

chiyu has dark type moves so to survive you tera on it probs

[sly jungle]

quick question would yall say meowscarada or sceptile is more memorable

[balmy glen]

what do you mean by more memorable

[willow vault]

Strictly on memorablity I guess I would say sceptile due to its mega evolution being a glorified Christmas tree

[sly jungle]

between the two who would you say you would know the most of or remember in the future

[balmy glen]

in the anime sceptile :p

[willow vault]

True that Darkrai fight was crazy

[balmy glen]

comp wise prob meow

my favorite dondozo force tera answer

[willow vault]

I mean I prefered removing its boosts with murkrow but yeah still good

[zinc totem]

meowscarada beacuse how people disliked it when it was evo of spriga

but for me

it kinda grew on me in pokemon go

so i dislikled it first but now i love it

[willow vault]

I think meowscarada is ok, it was the starter I chose, it was decent, I like having flower trick but I prefer other grass starters namely serperior, because contrary is fun

[craggy dagger]

[willow vault]

Hello

[zinc totem]

i fell in love with meowscarada after pogo and grew on me x3. tho decidueye is a bit better (Original one not the hisui)

[willow vault]

Good for you, it’s nice to like the starters, I really like Cyndaquil, since it was the first pokemon I ever used

[craggy dagger]

hai!
what are we talking abt?

[zinc totem]

i think i never really liked starters till rowlet

[next stump]

howdy y’all

[zinc totem]

and after rowlet scorbunny

[next stump]

how is everyone

[zinc totem]

doing some BBQ farming

[willow vault]

Starters

[craggy dagger]

haiiiiii
i’m doing oki hbu?

[willow vault]

Pretty good, should probably go to bed but oh well

[zinc totem]

i need go bed soon too but i am some BBQs before it

[next stump]

i’m good 🙂 still shiny hunting regieleki lol, it’s day 3 now

[zinc totem]

haha

[craggy dagger]

oo whatcha gon use eleki for?

[next stump]

I have used eleki my last two tournaments and might use it for worlds, we’ll see how the meta develops

I want to flex the shiny hahaha

[balmy glen]

oh nah

[rustic mountain]

it upsets me sceptile sucks in comp

[rustic mountain]

u hunted it urself?

oh nvm jus backread

gl

tough hunt being full odds

[next stump]

yeah it is tough… like 2.5kish resets in so far

[balmy glen]

dillon what is ur real name have we met before

[next stump]

Dillon Kleinvehn

[balmy glen]

dm me if u dont wanna say it here

oh ok nvm lol

[rustic mountain]

ik the pain haha, i did a few full odds hunts 2/3 went over odds, hopefully u get it under

[forest arrow]

Yeah full odds hunts are pain haha

They really spoiled us with the sandwiches and stuff

[charred saddle]

thats pain

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2145264467-dx4n6xt3auro7jb0raxzjvrl8uwvstqpw
knocked em outta top 10

[balmy glen]

goat

oh

its bo1 nvm fake ladder

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[balmy glen]

im jk btw nice match lmao

[rustic mountain]

nah no worries haha ty

i got pretty lucky w/ bleakwind and heat wave hits

[balmy glen]

wait your ayofuego?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[balmy glen]

oh I beat you awhile back I think lol

[rustic mountain]

haha nice

[balmy glen]

like not this reg

I dont it was this reg at least

[rustic mountain]

yea ive laddered onnit in past regs too

[upbeat quail]

Hear me out. Guts Normal Tera flareon

[rustic mountain]

why

[upbeat quail]

Normal Tera means it can hold flame orb now. Boosted facade and quick attack

It’s still bad tho

[balmy glen]

ok how abt no xd

[upbeat quail]

Okay Keanu you’re right. You got top 8 at Indy and I can barely hold high elo on showdown

[rustic mountain]

yea jus cuz u can doesnt mean u should. if u wanna jus mess around u def can run it, but the way power creep has hit most things, flareon jus doesnt stick out as something that can hold its own

[upbeat quail]

Oh yeah, it’s not meant to be meta defining at all. Its useless in open team sheet

And just okay in cts

[rustic mountain]

i didnt think u meant it like that, i mean even in cts bo1 its not gna pull its own weight generally even w/ a surprise factor

i think one team had it a handful of formats ago and even then it was really niche

[forest arrow]

I lost the tweet cause I saw it earlier at work and forgot to save it but I saw something like this earlier,
https://pokepast.es/b793b2ccb954c66a

[mighty stump]

You can theorise and run favourites all u want but its gonna be the same question of if it can be useful on it’s own enough to do the job you want it to do

[upbeat quail]

Nah if I really wanna use a guts mon I’ll use ursaluna

[rustic mountain]

rip conkeldurr

[upbeat quail]

Who?

[rustic mountain]

funny clown fighting type

[next stump]

@chrome knot https://x.com/thadifftcg/status/1802830677068464525?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

🏳️‍⚧️ sable 🏳️‍⚧️ (@thaDifftcg) on X

If you’re just as upset as the rest of us about the changes in VG locals that have been realized today, file a ticket. It’s one of the few things TPCi cares much about & the easiest way for them to track sentiment. Explain how it impacts you/other locals

https://t.co/xCrULoOYEm

Twitter · Jun 17, 2024, 10:28 PM

[chrome knot]

we're trying

[bold geode]

Hey babe

[forest arrow]

hey babe

[next stump]

this is my local chicago TCG/VGC TO

[balmy glen]

im trying to win a match in vgc showdown room with a full nfe team xd

[mighty stump]

Did u try tyo’s challenge

Playing 5 matches at the same time

[balmy glen]

the temu thing?

[mighty stump]

Or do my version

3 Bo3 sets

LOL

[balmy glen]

xd

I usually do 2

adding another might be chaotic

[mighty stump]

Showdown does the thing where it glitches the queue button after you hit cancel and double-queued

and I was like

bRO

IM TRYING TO RELAX

[balmy glen]

ye happened to me a couple times I hate that glitch so much lol

[mighty stump]

its worse when youre trying to just test some random garbage too

[rustic mountain]

2 is my limit i think haha otherwise im jus playing suboptimally

impressive ppl can do more efficiently

[balmy glen]

https://pokepast.es/91f0ed6e3a3293e2

alr lets do this

[mighty stump]

If its bo1 i can do 3

5 was fun only once

wouldn’t say its efficient but its pretty good enough to win

id say 2 is standard esp if your opp takes a million years to play

[mighty stump]

Is eviolite against the rules

[rustic mountain]

usually wen i do it lmao

[balmy glen]

?

[mighty stump]

Oh

[patent marsh]

Looking fresh today

[mighty stump]

On Cosmoem

LOL

[mighty stump]

Im otw in my first day of my new job

[patent marsh]

Oh pog

I'm just having breakfast rn before going to work meeting

[mighty stump]

I just had breakfast

I missed my partner today so I had a polaroid photo propped up on my coffee mug LOL

[charred saddle]

i just finished playing dota

[mighty stump]

Enak ya masih sekolah

[charred saddle]

literally only had 2 days of freedom dari tanggal merah.

and wha i do is only sleep and fucking dota + rady or not

[mighty stump]

Itu masih enak anying

[charred saddle]

skripsi ga kesentuh, pelajaran buat rabu blm senuh jg

2 hari nyabu

kan tanggal merah

nnti gw jg klo dah koas g ada tnggl merah sih hrsny WKWK

[charred saddle]

btw talking about studies, can i ask u questions regarding rabies

[mighty stump]

Anying

[charred saddle]

yes anying

[mighty stump]

You’re the second person to ask for details about rabies

What do you need

Idk anything about the human needs

[charred saddle]

bbuat kelas gw besok, ad tntg kejang gr gr rabbies

[mighty stump]

mana gw tau

[charred saddle]

nono im mainly asking from vet side, for the dogs and other

[mighty stump]

oh

Kyk apa

[charred saddle]

imunisasi raies anjing itu kek ckup skli aj?

soalny klo manusia risk imunisasi rabies > bbenefit

jdiny ga dikasih sampe kena gigit

sama, binatang yg keinfeksi rabies kan bkl mati, tp msih bsa diselamatin ga ato kek balik ke keadaan semula (as in no more aggresion, ato ada perubahan)

gw ga ketemu ini smua yg gw cari, different sources had different answers. so yeah

[mighty stump]

No if you vaccinate for rabies in animals you have to get boosters and regularly check your titre ab levels

death is 2 weeks after onset of clinical symptoms

99% fatality biasanya

[charred saddle]

hmm

sblm 2 weeks reversible?

[mighty stump]

before symptom onset its in the incubation period

[charred saddle]

and is it recommended for dogs to get rabies vaccinated?

klo manusia soalny risk> benefit jd ga direkomen

[mighty stump]

Always unless you’re in a rabies free country

UK doesn’t perlu

[charred saddle]

ahh okok, brrti gw nnti cari itu chart

[mighty stump]

Indo perlu

[charred saddle]

itu perlu brrti sip sip

[mighty stump]

Vaccines have some that last up to 3 years

[charred saddle]

oo interesting

[mighty stump]

Licensednya

[charred saddle]

di manusia cmn bbrp bulan WKKWKW

trus hrs vaksin ulang

okok thanks a lot

[balmy glen]

guys I cant get a win with this team everyone keeps haxing me frfr it cant be the teams problem tbh

[mighty stump]

Theyre hacking report them

[balmy glen]

true

nah but I almost won I killed 3 pokemon but lost because I couldnt heal

[bold geode]

Oh God remember that one mfer that kept coming in here to report hackers

Even though they were just getting shit on

[bold geode]

But yeah, call Mr Pokemon himself about it

[craggy dagger]

wait i found one

MONKE MONKE I DID IT
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2145296153-82yrnjo1d3mr8l1cyq7eb82sj8dwv8vpw
@bold geode

[balmy glen]

found what

[craggy dagger]

caly shadow

given, its low ladder rn so ppl dunno what they're doing xD

[bold geode]

Lmao YES

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

[balmy glen]

What’s your guys main teams rn

[craggy dagger]

I've been playing this team recently as a way to actually learn how to pilot meta mons...
i know its a bit rough on the edges and is a bit scuffed but i feel like this has potential...
https://pokepast.es/44d8326d4b7c3b59

[balmy glen]

why do u think its scuffed

[forest arrow]

Just Caly Peli standard stuff

[foggy lodge]

This is what i've been playing

I should share the pokepaste but i'm lazy rn

[craggy dagger]

maybe not the team itself but the way i pilot it is scuffed...
also not rlly sure how to work volc and bm ursa..

[balmy glen]

why jolly and timid urshi and chi

[foggy lodge]

Outspeeding most things as possible

(and i don't know how to do spread for Urshifu water lol)

[craggy dagger]

[balmy glen]

luckily i live in SoCal where this quite literally changed nothing

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681

I was actually just working with a bunch of other Maine players, and getting my TO certification so that we could inject life into our state's scene where there's a huge demand.

This injures our plans dramatically.

They really need to address the problems of accessibility before they continue spouting off about how "everyone can be a champ". They're quite literally making it more difficult for the players.

[balmy glen]

everyone can be a champ is crazy

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3haWU9rjUBU

[foggy lodge]

I wonder what people do in this game when they are not playing online

Is a genuine question

[abstract grail]

That's a very pokemon slogan lol

[warped mason]

thoughts on this zacian spread? 156 speed mainly to outspeed timid miraidon/flutter

[balmy glen]

That’s a spread already so go for it

[warped mason]

gotcha

can't wait run sword fish in reg H

[charred saddle]

@mighty stump https://pokepast.es/bf95a3be06ae1a0e
look at this shi

https://youtu.be/VswDT0PIbRk?si=iNXcKj2tce2SdruC

[balmy glen]

moment

[craggy dagger]

lava plume??

doesn’t lava plume hit allies too

[cyan smelt]

Not with telepathy

[charred saddle]

ttheres so much weird stuff hat i don know what is weird

james baek is jus a good pilot ig

idk how its working

[dapper crag]

Move: Lava Plume

Has a 30% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

dragon cheer gouging hm

[balmy glen]

I’ve found this reg that the weirder my teams are the better I’m doing as a pilot

[charred saddle]

reg G is fun

bu like im still having a hard ime o like adapt to the restriced stuffs

don have like time to practice too

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2145369971-i3ymj2sox5k9p0tmy64b4xvc2fcwbjxpw
donbozo players man

[charred saddle]

and my god i just noticed my T keybutton is kinda fucked up

[balmy glen]

texas regional got leaked

san antonio again

[craggy dagger]

next season-?

[balmy glen]

ye

[craggy dagger]

do you think they're gonna do vancouver again-

[balmy glen]

who knows

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

weewooweewoo

[charred saddle]

do indonesia plz

lemme play

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010

Finally off of work, after 9 hours

Not used to working that long, nor standing in 1 spot for that long

[balmy glen]

Why hate ice rider

[chrome knot]

didnt learn the muu

[patent marsh]

Malaysia got one

I'll be back in malaysia this friday

But man why pokemon stuff so badly organised in Asia

Besides KR and Japan

I didn't even find out about it until the day of my flight to Vietnam

Which was yesterday

[molten oasis]

Couldn’t beat it for the life of me for the past few days cuz gapdos Zac don’t do shit into it

So gapdos got replaced for shifu and im giving up on trying newer niche things out cuz im unable to figure out something that works, with Zac, that hasn’t already been played

Tera fir ice rider also fucking sucks mu wise for Zac

[craggy dagger]

tera water tera blast zac-

[balmy glen]

ive been spamming the same 5 turns for the past few games I may have found the caly ice team fr lol

[molten oasis]

Then I lose SD

I want SD rn, and I don’t have a consistent way to boosts zacians damage output otherwise since it needs something to boosts its attack

I’m kinda being avoidant of pao rn, don’t want to play HO

and all the howl mons feel awkward

Well, at least the booster howl guys

mm, doing something niche with Zac would be cool, not sure what tho

Gapdos and a9 were eh

[mighty stump]

I still like Tera Stellar

Zacian is a perfect candidate for it

[craggy maple]

greetings fellow people in the competive scene, do you think there'd be any way to possibly make azelf viable in the gen 9 meta?

[dapper crag]

Azelf's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Explosion, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Payback, Play Rough, Power-Up Punch, Psycho Cut, Return, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Extrasensory, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Mystical Power, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Uproar, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confide, Detect, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Flash, Helping Hand, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Azelf.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 482: Azelf

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/125/70/125/70/115

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

Choice Band Explosion

[chrome knot]

tera normal

[molten oasis]

I mean, sure

Idk about Tera blast tho

Don’t feel very confident in it, personally

Eh, ig stellar with SD might not be bad

The defensive Tera backfires more often than not

mm

I mean ig the well performing zacians are running offensive Tera’s

Ground and fairy mostly

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

Time to run Stellar Zacian at this local just to spite you

[balmy glen]

I’ve been spamming the same 5 turn sequence for the past 20 games and I keep winning

Caly ice hardroom moment tbh

[molten oasis]

With Tera blast?

[mighty stump]

CIR players when they automate their turns

[molten oasis]

Or just stellar Tera?

[mighty stump]

both

I found the set pretty efficient

[balmy glen]

it’s no wonder this is brain dead

[molten oasis]

…fine I’ll go back to Tera blast lol

[mighty stump]

😝

[balmy glen]

I’ve had to think abt the match against I think 1 player so far

[urban wigeon]

Hey everyone. I'm new to this server. Just joined. How is everyone tonight

[mighty stump]

bro idc lol

[balmy glen]

welcome

[mighty stump]

Do what you think is good

[molten oasis]

Well, shit idk

I’m lost man

Not sure what to be using rn

[mighty stump]

CIR, apparently @balmy glen

Lmaoo

[molten oasis]

+1 252 Atk Tera-Stellar Zacian-Crowned Helping Hand Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera-Fire Calyrex-Ice Rider: 242-286 (116.9 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO I’ve learned something

[mighty stump]

Just predict

[molten oasis]

Gonna test HH Zac

I mean, peli

Peli, I don’t click tw

[mighty stump]

I thought we had Helping Hand

[molten oasis]

We did?

Oh shit right we had an old paste

[mighty stump]

Honestly i’d almost encourage playing HO since learning the correct level of aggression/risk-reward is incredibly valuable if you’re gonna play some stuff

[molten oasis]

Mm, yea, ig

Learning to step on the gas is probably helpful

https://pokepast.es/f5757c5d077f333c back to this, except peli and incin over torn and volc

[mighty stump]

Idk how I feel about Rocky Helmet Pelipper tbh

Like its alright

But I like Sash a lot more

Idk what your preference is

LO Pao >>>

lolol

[molten oasis]

…sure

[mighty stump]

In all honesty i think LO is better if youre going double dark STAB

[molten oasis]

Fair

[balmy glen]

apparently so

apparently everyone is braindead and cant solve my first 5 turns

[torn parrot]

i think im done with competitive until gen 10

just cant bring myself to play

we've hit peak progession
all thats left is like some bullshit like double registered
oh boy i cant wait to fight miraidon calyrex sounds like a blast
i hope you all have fun tho
i cant wiat to watch worlds

[molten oasis]

K, stellar blast works fairly well lol

[molten oasis]

Double registered my favorite

[strange fjord]

farewell vgc bunny girl 🫡 see you next gen

[torn parrot]

hell yeah
i hope you both have a fun time

i apreciate everything youve done for the vgc community

[balmy glen]

Stay tuned to watch me win worlds frfr (totally not coping)

[molten oasis]

I’m going back to balance

I hate being unable to switch into attacks

[balmy glen]

I made a Caly ice team that loves facing both Caly forms

I actually love this team

[young osprey]

Looking for some advice if possible please. Not sure which two mons to add into my team which is Blissey, Corviknight, specs walking wake and scarf landorus. Have experimented a lot but not found the answer yet…

[balmy glen]

Singles or vgc

[young osprey]

Singles

[balmy glen]

what tier

[young osprey]

It’s an OU team, but I’m open with who I use on it, whoever works really

[zinc totem]

how accurate this is for vgc doubles?

[willow vault]

Why is Groudon that high?

[autumn vault]

No way Groudon is higher than Koraidon and Zacian by a whole tier

[willow vault]

Pelipper is also low

[autumn vault]

And also Annihilape

It not great, but it has seen good use

[willow vault]

I think annihilape is fine where it is tbh

Near the top of c makes sense to me

[autumn vault]

Agree

[willow vault]

Like I think of the tier like, tier 1 - It’s the best pokemon fits on nearly every team, tier 2 - incredible pokemon that fit on many teams and are very strong

[autumn vault]

Also Urshifu-R is too low

It's not A, its S

[willow vault]

Tier 3 - Great Pokémon, who are the best at their smaller roles, Tier 4 - Good but restricted to a few teams, Tier 5 - Niche, higher parts of the tier have more useful niches

[autumn vault]

good way to look at it

[willow vault]

True

[autumn vault]

This is my restricted tier list that i updated again

[willow vault]

Overall a few odd placements, but I’ve certainly seen way worse

[autumn vault]

In a few days it overtook incin in usage

Makes no sense to not be S

[willow vault]

Oh

Still thought incin was number in usage

[autumn vault]

It is

[zinc totem]

i think groudon is that high beacuse sun teams and having kinda somewhat allright coverage while buky

[autumn vault]

But a few moments had Urshifu have more usage

Just scroll through Tofu's images sent into this channel

[willow vault]

Sun teams almost always run koraidon due to the better matchup into Kyogre

[autumn vault]

I think you can spot it

[willow vault]

And terapagos

[autumn vault]

Most of the time koraidon
Sometimes Groudon to not be forced to tera when seeing a Flutter Mane

[zinc totem]

yeah or have something else for kyogre

[willow vault]

Well that would make the other Pokémon stronger not Groudon

[zinc totem]

this is the reasonings

[autumn vault]

No way Urshifu is outclassed by something thats a water or fighting type

[willow vault]

I honestly don’t think Groudon is the best ground type, I would say Landorus-I currently is, but oh well

It’s a solid list just a couple weird placements

[autumn vault]

I do think Groudon is the best one

Just always does more than Landorus-I imo

But i can see why you'd think Landorus is better

Not taking the restricted slot is very valuable

[balmy glen]

oger hearth too high and a lot of stuff is too high or low actually

why is wake so high lol

[shrewd scarab]

[patent marsh]

To be fair

Taking tier lists in VGC seems pretty counterintuitive since a lot of restricteds work with niche mons rn

Using stuff like munchlabs makes more sense cause they show usage statistics of the mon and their top usage pairs

Like you seldom see a lot of the pokemon in C tier yet somehow it's in the same ranking as pokemon with niche team usage like pelipper with caly ice teams for example

In fact a number of the restricteds can easily abuse Pelipper

And overall pelipper is really nice with wide guard and contesting weather vs Groudon and Koraidon

And top 3 restricteds in the tier list struggle with good wide guard reads

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-2145500442?p2 I'm loving UU so far

[mighty stump]

Any tier list that isn’t a statistical one too subjective

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/j0kprd2XAiU

sometimes these are ufn to see

fun*

[mighty stump]

Not to self-promote but I think you’ll like my blogposts if you like seeing semi-weird things

[autumn vault]

No way in the first 3 seconds he calls his teenager self a stupid kid

[mighty stump]

That reminds me

I should cook something up for my first local ever

BUT I HAVE NO TIME

Fuck it we Snorlax

Do I even have the time LOL

[craggy dagger]

sun curslax why not

[autumn vault]

Just use a very well performing team that you have

[mighty stump]

Nah not that one

We got an updated set

[craggy dagger]

ooo

[next stump]

good morning 🙂

[autumn vault]

Good morning

[mighty stump]

Morning

Just finished my first day of new job

Lol

[balmy glen]

Banned

[balmy glen]

Noice what is it

[mighty stump]

Veterinarian

[craggy dagger]

mornie!!
did u sleep wel?

[next stump]

not too bad

im so conditioned to wake up around 6AM for work that i can barely sleep in on days off

[mighty stump]

Trade

But you also get my sleepless nigjts

[charred saddle]

any funny moments?

or stories haha

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-im-done-gone-bye-gif-14331061352776093889

@chrome knot did you see that even tho locals start July 1st, we don't even know any CP information for next (including how many pts for local wins xD) until ~late july

next year*

[pallid lance]

Before I decide to add these moves to one of my pokémon, can someone confirm one last thing for me? It says one you use spit up or swallow you lose the def / spd boosts, but does the attack spit up remain at 300 power, because it doesn't say that reverts back down, though I'd assume it does?

Like here it doesn't say it goes back down either, only loses defenses. If it doesn't, it seems like a half-decent raid attack

[polar canyon]

Yeah it does reset all effects of the stacked stockpile

[pallid lance]

Darn it... I was looking forward to trying it, but now why bother

[polar canyon]

Stockpile is really not worth it for the intended mechanic and only as a defensive move

[autumn vault]

Don't you dare use Stockpile strats in Competitive

[pallid lance]

There's no reason in competitive. Oh sorry I thought I was in raid

[polar canyon]

And in doubles it's not worth using at all really

Oh there too

[pallid lance]

Yeah I changed my mind if the power doesn't stay 300 no point

[polar canyon]

I don't think you want defense boosts in raids very often

[autumn vault]

True

[polar canyon]

I remember one time in general 8 I had a meme team with a stockpile guzzlord

[pallid lance]

It's about 300 normal type attack for some pokémon I wanted to justify raiding with

[autumn vault]

If you wanted defensive buffs you would go either Iron defense or Amnesia

Or for offense, Bulk up or Calm Mind

[pallid lance]

Give some niche pokémon a purpose

[polar canyon]

That body press zamazenta

[pallid lance]

I still doubt bulk up. Calm mind is that for critical hit up? I like the crit increase ability. Is that no good for pvp or raids?

[autumn vault]

Oh wow no shit Sherlock

[pallid lance]

No need to be rude

[autumn vault]

Calm Mind doesn't boost crit chance

Thats focus energy

[polar canyon]

It's spdef and spatk

But for raids you want swords dance and nasty plot

[autumn vault]

I didn't mean it to be rude

[pallid lance]

Yeah I kinda like focus energy but can't gage usefulness

[autumn vault]

Just said it to annoy Campfire

ngl

[pallid lance]

Lol okay. Sarcasm hard to read in text, I'd just be careful with that one

[autumn vault]

Besides people here do it all the time

[polar canyon]

If you think about it crits are a multiplicative boost on top of the stat boosts

[autumn vault]

So its commonly sarcasm

[pallid lance]

No shit, sherlock

[autumn vault]

Back to your question

[patent marsh]

Zamazenta kinda is always gonna run body press it not getting it back in gen8 truly was unfortunate for it especially when it was introduced in that gen same with the move

[polar canyon]

Yeah I just never thought about zamazenta for raids

[autumn vault]

True

[patent marsh]

Also a shame behemoth bash doesn't use def

[autumn vault]

Zamazenta's stats get reset by the raid boss

[pallid lance]

Hypothetically if I COULD trigger anger point on a primeape and have focus energy active, would that following string or attacks if they crit just pretty much wipe out everything except ghost types?

[autumn vault]

And also many of them

[patent marsh]

Fact it's just renamed behemoth blade really made zacian overshadowed it in gen8

[polar canyon]

Well so does zacian and it's still good

[pallid lance]

Not a viable strat, but curious

[patent marsh]

But why primeape though

[next stump]

im pretty sure fire tauros with that strat is somewhat meta for raids

[pallid lance]

It's the only one I can think of that can boost besides belly drum

[next stump]

you OHKO most raids

[patent marsh]

Oh this is for raids

[pallid lance]

All the way to +6atk I mean and still use that focus energy skill

[patent marsh]

Not comp

[autumn vault]

Crit chances are the following:
0 is 4.17% chance of crit
+1 is a 12% chance to crit
+2 is 50%
+3 and beyond are 100%

[patent marsh]

Why is this not in #tera_strategy_discussion

[autumn vault]

So the answer is: half of the time it crits

So you can wipe out some pokemon

[polar canyon]

Always with scope lens

[pallid lance]

I got carried away sorry

[autumn vault]

Focus energy gives a +2

[polar canyon]

This whole chat does sometimes

[autumn vault]

Scope Lens +1

Combined they have a +3 which means it will always crit

[patent marsh]

It's easier to just find a good belly drummer for raids and good nasty plot mons or stored power mons if you do team raids

[polar canyon]

Speaking of off topic

[autumn vault]

?

[polar canyon]

Sun and moon anime gets so much hate

[patent marsh]

Alcremie introduction turbo boosted stored power mons

[polar canyon]

I like it for being almost like a slice of life

[pallid lance]

Hm... so in pvp if I use focus energy and scope lense, does that win over punching glove?

I'm wondering if my golurk can use that strat

[polar canyon]

It does win over punching glove but golurk isn't ideal for raids

[pallid lance]

I was saying pvp

[polar canyon]

Oh even worse

[pallid lance]

Oh lol

[polar canyon]

But if you're using it for personal preference go ahead ig

[pallid lance]

Well the guaranteed confusion punch seems good though!

[polar canyon]

Cant argue against it being one of your favorites or something

[autumn vault]

Easily yes

Punching Glove is mid

[polar canyon]

It's more that punching glove isn't good than crit builds being good

[pallid lance]

Well I'm looking into all my favorites for viability, and I feel like there's ideas put out online but can't tell what the consensus is amongst high competition

[polar canyon]

Are you thinking about single or double battles?

[pallid lance]

Both

Singles seem kind of toxic after trying it

[autumn vault]

I recommend to start with meta teams and then move on to more niche teams

[polar canyon]

It's really hard to think of both because they play really differently once you look deeper into it

[autumn vault]

Or learn the game well

I prefer getting good first and then use your favourites

[pallid lance]

I'm trying to do the hard stuff first, because I'm gonna be very busy in the near future, so I'm studying what is more meaningful to me first, I don't have enough free time

[polar canyon]

I think as someone who's able to think logically like that you can understand why it's better to start with smaller things into something you're not experienced at

[pallid lance]

But is there a better held item for golurk, or any of the punch focused mons? Like anihilape for raids I thought would use punching glove all the time, but maybe is witch it to crit build now 🤔 or maybe even just use shell bell, but I doubt shell bell is good idea in pvp

[patent marsh]

To be fair most things work in singles cause they can't just outright double up into you

[polar canyon]

You generally don't want to use punching glove because it's not a great item

It's only a 10% boost while something like life orb is 30%

[autumn vault]

You can get away with one niche pokemon but a team full of them is bound to fail

[pallid lance]

I'm just being pressured by time and I'm impatient, I know what the better way would be, and I'm dabbling in some stronger choices, but I gotta ask what's on my mind now before I forget all the details

[pallid lance]

I mean I won a few matches already, not ranked though. Blood moon ursaluna really is a beast

[polar canyon]

For competitive the best way to learn is playing with pre-made teams by other people until you're confident that you know all the basics

Of strategy and meta and whatnot

Not to be rude but by your suggestions it's easy to tell you need that experience

[pallid lance]

I don't like doing that if I don't understand all the details first. I'm struggling when to raid def or special defense over health for example, and I assume there's thresholds to keep in mind somewhere, but it's a lot of reading materials...

In pvp do y'all try to go for like (only for example) if you can get their health to 300 and speed to some number idk what they're statistically more likely to survive the meta moves out now?

[polar canyon]

In short almost always prioritize hp, and only prioritize something like spdef first if the pokemon has huge base hp and very low base spdef

The biggest example of that right now is iron hands

[next stump]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

We use this damage calculator to figure out HP/DEF thresholds

[pallid lance]

Well like regidrago has terrible defenses, and huge health. Surely I won't priority health over def in that case?

[next stump]

Regidrago you're not prioritizing either, you're investing basically fully into offense and speed

[polar canyon]

Yeah but with that guy you usually prioritize speed and special attack

[pallid lance]

Ty that's awesome

[gentle crag]

kirbycarden has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[polar canyon]

If you were to play defensive regidrago for some reason, yeah, invest in defenses but you shouldn't

[pallid lance]

Oh I didn't think speed would be worth it in their case... hmm... alright well I'm retraining mine, so I'm glad you told me.

Well not that I'm trying to play defensive, but just to survive 1 single attack might be nice

Surely there's a drop off in value of health when it can hit 400 and defense it like 100

[polar canyon]

You should want regidrago to go first whenever you can by any means possible because its signature move is extremely strong only if it has full or near full hp

[pallid lance]

OH! okay that's great to know

Choice scarf helpful for them too then? Or like quick claw maybe?

[polar canyon]

Choice scarf

Quick claw is unreliable and luck dependent

[pallid lance]

No one even uses it for galar slowbro I bet, but it feels like galar slowbro doesn't need MORE help than their own quick draw, right?

[polar canyon]

I once used quick claw galar slowbro as a memeish set for singles in gen 8

But if you're trying to win I wouldn't advise galar slowbro

[pallid lance]

I run trick room, so quick claw doesn't make sense

I won some matches already with him though :< and Blood moon ursa

[polar canyon]

Are we talking about a team for singles or doubles?

[pallid lance]

And an eviolite Haunter, but that was just a lazy toxic spikes add

Doubles

[polar canyon]

Sorry it's better to ditch haunter entirely

[pallid lance]

Well both I guess

[polar canyon]

You can't really do both and expect to win consistently in both

[pallid lance]

Yeah Haunter was just me goofing off, I know better

[polar canyon]

Because of how differently they play

[pallid lance]

Still won though so that was a little fun 😂

[autumn vault]

Just use meta mons

With niche mons you will lose a lot at higher level play

[pallid lance]

Is there a best baton pass pokémon? Idk if mimikyu can use it, but to transfer ability boosts?

[next stump]

@pallid lance might be of interest to you, this is a chart somewhere created for Iron Hands to show that it is better to invest in SpDef rather than HP due to the way its stats are distributed. The column on the right shows effectively what its "bulk" would be

[polar canyon]

The suggestion of using teams made by experienced players before building yourself still stands

[next stump]

the same is true for most pokemon with a similar stat spread, but tbh these are not incredibly useful concepts to understand deeply because smart people create spreads for pokemon that everyone else can just use and copy. You don't need to be an EV whiz to be a good player

[polar canyon]

Very advised looking at what your perspective of the game is

Play rental teams until you know what you're doing

[pallid lance]

Well just one more question then about the baton pass pokémon? Any good ones people use?