#competitive_discussion

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timber falcon
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any ideas? supposed to support zamazenta

mighty stump
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Ok first make Swampert evolve into an actually good Pokemon

timber falcon
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got it

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i could say the same about snorlax though arkeknine

molten oasis
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wooow

warped mason
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Thoughts on this team for the next format? Similar to a placing team i found in gen 8, but threw in scarfed lando I for miraidon.

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molten oasis
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scarf lando i?

warped mason
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Yes

molten oasis
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why?

warped mason
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I said the reason why

molten oasis
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but like

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you have zacian and rilla

timber falcon
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252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 133-156 (79.6 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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what HP should i calc zama

warped mason
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And they can voltswitch out on rilla

molten oasis
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great, just, ugh

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nvm

mighty stump
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Lol

molten oasis
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its not but its still better for you

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like the mu is more in your favor

timber falcon
mighty stump
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1v1

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I didnt say supportive tools

timber falcon
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cosmog

mighty stump
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Ya so can every mon, whats one relevant one that you can actually match up against

timber falcon
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it CAN beat caly-i i guess

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with rng

mighty stump
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in a 1v1?

warped mason
timber falcon
mighty stump
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Keep in mind i said guarantee/all but consistent

timber falcon
timber falcon
warped mason
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Most are on timid tho right

mighty stump
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Obviously

timber falcon
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then absolutely none lul

mighty stump
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Yeah

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I thought so

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If you’re going to challenge my reasonings make sure you have better ones first

timber falcon
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in my defence

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its not supposed to be a sweeper, unless ofc its built to be one

mighty stump
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In my defence

craggy dagger
mighty stump
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Mine is an actual call relative to the metagame solving relevant team matchups

timber falcon
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b-b-but wide guard

molten oasis
mighty stump
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Ok good for you Wide Guard is on better mons

molten oasis
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yk pelipper exists right?

timber falcon
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and uh, yawn distruption at the same time?

mighty stump
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Okay have fun clicking Yawn and Wide Guard while I just focus fire your sideslot LOL

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0 damage Liquidation

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0 damage Knock Offs

timber falcon
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ok so what im noticing here

mighty stump
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Bro is finished when Taunt is clicked

timber falcon
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the set dont do much?

mighty stump
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Wow

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Who could have seen this coming

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Bro has a set that don’t do much and tried to project

molten oasis
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lol

mighty stump
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Bro’s set has yet to influence the statistics and here we are

calm gulch
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exposed

timber falcon
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wow i really took that L huh

mighty stump
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You can’t go after my Snorlax like that without having infallible logic

bold geode
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Wtf did I come into

molten oasis
bold geode
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Oh Swampert? Nah fam lmao

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Why though

autumn vault
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Swampert is very mid

timber falcon
timber falcon
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that all there is to it

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but it is harder than i thought

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to find a suitable set

mighty stump
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Could probably just be a pretty supportive Latias with an aggressive Lunala set

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Tailwind/Icy Wind stuff on Latias + Meteor Beam Lunala

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Wide Guard required seeing as you’re against CSR and both are weak to that

timber falcon
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AV i can see, (thought not much damage) but why flying tera

mighty stump
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Nah, Weakness Policy stuff is pretty bad. PHerb MBeam gives a lot of immediate threat to Incineroar and tempos the game quickly

timber falcon
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swampert is too weak to be doing things like that, though maybw with bulk up...

bold geode
timber falcon
autumn vault
mighty stump
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Suit yourself

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Lol

timber falcon
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i had some notes

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mighty stump
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See

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The only niche you should have recognised is that you can run both Counter/Mirror Coat

timber falcon
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i thought it was too stupid to properly consider

autumn vault
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That could most likely do better than a supportive set

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Gen 3 Boomer energy

timber falcon
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never played gen 3 lul

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just like the starers

autumn vault
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I was joking

mighty stump
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Like

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Ok

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Heres another way to reframe that list

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You HAVE to list things that only Swampert can do

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Knock Off? Incin

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Amoonguss can do Rocky Helmet shit

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Wide Guard/Yawn is kinda whatever with Yawn being kinda eh

timber falcon
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aight ok

autumn vault
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Maybe you can use a downgraded version of ting dozo: Ting Swamp

mighty stump
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Counter/Mirror Coat? Theres literally 4 mons that can do that combination

timber falcon
mighty stump
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If I taunt your Yawn idc if im trapped with two punching bags

timber falcon
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so counter and mirror coat combo more unique than i thought

autumn vault
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I was just suggesting an idea

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Even if its worse than another one that does the exact same thing but its way better

mighty stump
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AV Counter/Mirror Coat + 2 STAB

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Lol

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If Counter/Mirror Coat fails, I assume if you have Stomping Tantrum, you just doubled BP

timber falcon
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why tf didnt i think of that

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counter and mirror coat both work with AV

mighty stump
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cause you’re too busy trying to disprove your superiors instead of listening

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If it doesnt have Stomping then just run HH and be done

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Flip Turn over Liquidation if you really want that pivot

timber falcon
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the whole reason i didnt run AV

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was cause i thought i couldnt use mirror coat and counter

mighty stump
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You could have just asked

timber falcon
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dont know why i didnt

mighty stump
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It’s literally why I am here

timber falcon
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true

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but i just never second guessed it

mighty stump
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Its you

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You should always second guess

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-ᴗ-

timber falcon
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lol

mighty stump
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/\ /
( -ᴗ- )

chrome knot
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@mighty stump

mighty stump
molten oasis
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im taking a hiatus, dont ping me

autumn vault
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Ok

sharp cobalt
timber falcon
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wont that ping him lol

sharp cobalt
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No, look

sharp cobalt
timber falcon
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oh its that thing

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how do i do it?

sharp cobalt
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The button that turns the ping off

sharp cobalt
timber falcon
mighty stump
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I think Drago is no no having good time

sharp cobalt
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I mean, no one pinged them

timber falcon
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probably the new zac team struggles

molten oasis
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you want a very short summary of why im taking a hiatus its my rng, anyway, break time

sharp cobalt
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Enjoy your break RWave

timber falcon
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thought so

mighty stump
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Well seems like its gonna be a quiet off season

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I’m also trying to get settled into my new life

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Barely have time to actually do playing

timber falcon
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new life?

mighty stump
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I moved countries for work

timber falcon
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ah ok

mighty stump
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And since Singapore is pretty strict with its legal stuff

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So finding a place to live/opening a bank account/new workplace etc

sharp cobalt
mighty stump
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Plus I’m now away from my beautiful partner and it wounds my soul deeply

sharp cobalt
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That's my cue to leave

timber falcon
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comfort ice cream?

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portion control ofc

mighty stump
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Nah

timber falcon
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ah well thats all i got

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hope things run smooth as possible

mighty stump
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Lol

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Only thing we can ever hope for really

chrome knot
mighty stump
chrome knot
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awe

mighty stump
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Also just wondering what to play for my leagues

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Probably my HOPagos

chrome knot
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if i get drafted im gonna be in perma panic mode

mighty stump
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OPL? Everyones gonna be drafted

chrome knot
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real

mighty stump
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I’ll probably be on Nino’s team again lmaoo

chrome knot
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i wanna be on team with dillon

mighty stump
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I just wanna play and not think too hard in places other than ladder

mighty stump
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we should all be on a team

chrome knot
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wait best team by miles

mighty stump
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bestie team

chrome knot
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me u nino dillon LOL

mighty stump
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LOL

chrome knot
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lights out KG_Giggles

mighty stump
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Dw guys u play CIR ill counter all the Zamas with Snorlax

chrome knot
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reaaalll

mighty stump
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I’m kinda wondering

craggy dagger
mighty stump
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I’m genuinely beginning to consider Stealth Rocks

chrome knot
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ur crazy

mighty stump
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Like

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I know Nails did the Ting stuff

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and its overall just very low tempo

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and almost sucks as a play entirely

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Sash Kleavor or something then

dapper crag
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Kleavor's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Brick Break, Bug Bite, Close Combat, Counter, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, False Swipe, Feint, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Lunge, Night Slash, Pounce, Quick Attack, Reversal, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Skitter Smack, Slash, Smack Down, Stone Axe, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wing Attack, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Hyper Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Baton Pass, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Leer, Light Screen, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tailwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kleavor.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
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Move: Stone Axe

If this move is successful, it sets up a hazard on the opposing side of the field, damaging each opposing Pokemon that switches in. Foes lose 1/32, 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, or 1/2 of their maximum HP, rounded down, based on their weakness to the Rock type; 0.25x, 0.5x, neutral, 2x, or 4x, respectively. Can be removed from the opposing side if any opposing Pokemon uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Defog successfully, or is hit by Defog.

Type

Rock

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
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its fucken 90 acc

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Nah nevermind

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However

timber falcon
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wide lens kleavor

mighty stump
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I hope you kiss a very fast car

pallid hare
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wat

timber falcon
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that would hurt though

mighty stump
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ideally it would be moving

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Defiant isn’t particularly prevalent

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nor Competitive

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Although CA makes this idea suck

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So also nevermind

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Sticky Webs not good

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Baxcal might be lit

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CA SD Ice Shard Glaive Rush Protect probably

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So statistically Groudon, Lunala, Zacian are all

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Matchup wise, pretty shit

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Interestingly Miraidon as well

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Kyo v Mirai is also 50/50

timber falcon
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man i really wanna build a comp team but revision got me on a chokehold

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shouldve spent my time wisely

mighty stump
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Lol

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What are your exams about

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Or what subjects

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I remember I studied so much Pokemon I lost track and forgot about my 3rd year vet exams and I basically pulled a double all-nighter

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I drank Monster for the first time in forever (and also was the last)

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I scored higher than all my other years 😭

chrome knot
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so yeah tofu

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thatd be hype methinks so pray

pallid lance
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Are there any pokémon that are better as stellar Tera types, cus I don't know how that form works competitively

mighty stump
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Stellar Tera basically gives you a 2x boost for moves of your same type (STAB) and 1.2x boost otherwise

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Only during the 1st use of said type

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Some good Stellar-types not including Terapagos are Chien-Pao, Flutter Mane, even Raging Bolt

pallid lance
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Oh so it's like super boost first use of a move, then back to regular boosted move power?

mighty stump
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Yes

pallid lance
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So it's stronger then regular Tera form boosts even?

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In my mind it's STAB boost, then Tera type stab boost and then it's stellar the next level?

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Next level but 1 time basically?

mighty stump
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No, so Tera types work the same way

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Say your Raging Bolt went Electric Tera

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For its Electric moves

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it gets that permanet 2x boost

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but it just means everything else is just standard

pallid lance
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Gotcha okay that's good. So then stellar is each move gets boosted only once during that Tera transform then

mighty stump
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so Stellar’s strength comes from that extra boost in coverage/variety if you have strong offensive dual types

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Yes

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It does work differently for Terapagos

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But i’ll just link you an article for that I wrote

pallid lance
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Perfect. But how does the weaknesses get effected? Are you still same weaknesses?

mighty stump
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Yes, your typing will be the same as whatever your base type was pre-terastalising

pallid lance
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Oh nice so I really like stellar

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For some that is

mighty stump
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Personally my most successful Stellar user would be Chien-Pao

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Particularly when paired with Life Orb

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With Stellar you also likely plan to go on the offense and want higher tempo games and generate momentum in your favour

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Since you forego any form of defensive terastalisatio

pallid lance
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I'm basically gonna got through all these pokémon and try to figure out how to make them strong as they're able to get, then work on some more popular choices eventually.

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mighty stump
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Is this for Doubles or Singles?

pallid lance
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Both but you know with judgement first I'll do doubles if they can do it, not if they can't, and some might not be good for anything

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Gotta learn a lot still about each one and other mons I'll versus

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Favorites are first focus, you know. You heard me from days ago lol

mighty stump
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If I have to be honest, I think a lot of those options are going to have a difficult time finding their footing in competitive play.

I would probably say Iron Hands and BM Ursaluna are the top picks in that group

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Yeah

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Favourites are fine

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Its just all about expectations

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Most of those picks fall under the category of “viable” with my personal definition being “its useable to have fun with”

pallid lance
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Well iron hands is only in there really because it was my first raid pokémon I went for from a friend's recommendation, but I'd use him sometimes. But yeah, I have realistic expectations don't worry.

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They're gonna be weaker no doubt, but I'll try and make them strong as possible. Never know what happens in future games either maybe new moves mixes up the meta.

mighty stump
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Sneasler/Ape/Ceruledge/Corvi/Mimikyu/Azu/Palafin are where I would sit. Poliwrath/Horoark/Glowbro/Slowbro are a bit more tenuous imo but still fine

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Anything not mentioned is where I would draw the ljne where you would fail to find enjoyment

pallid lance
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Is maushold any good? I'm also trying to catch a largest size of that and electivire to use competitively

mighty stump
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Maushold is nice

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Electabuz is better than Electivire at the moment

pallid lance
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Oh hell yeah, I'll use him then

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Not a single complaint. insert his anime garbled speech here

mighty stump
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Let me send you a youtube video.

pallid lance
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Do you know if any of those in the photo might benefit more from stellar so I can consider them a little more carefully for it?

mighty stump
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https://youtu.be/AqEbwerXNlY?si=_JNStrlWoLbPilpM

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mighty stump
pallid lance
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I'd say that's fine, I'm glad you think so

mighty stump
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MAYBE BMUrsaluna

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But it much prefere Tera Normal

pallid lance
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Makes less work for me to farm stellar Shards. I think bm normal Tera type is good though, right? Cus normal only weak to fighting immune to ghost, yeah?

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I think that's what I'll prefer myself too personally. And even for a petty reason like I like their diamond crown 😂 king bear looks funny

mighty stump
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Yes. Also, Pikalytics just updated to Regulation G. You can peruse some statistics there although I would be wary of anything below top 30 in usage

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So you can get some inspo.

pallid lance
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Ty good information

mighty stump
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Would you like that article on Terapagos mechanics?

pallid lance
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I'm excited but I'm dragging my feet cus I'm still hunting jumbo pokémon to mess with so I don't run out if interest with having more to experiment with

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Yeah I'll take that too whatever you think you sound like you got good advice. Saves me a lot of time in research

mighty stump
pallid lance
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Ty much 💪🏻

polar canyon
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God I forget that calyrex has unnerve too

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My lum berry kingambit

timber falcon
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the 3 sciences, maths, english, ect

willow vault
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gl

autumn vault
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GL OTOT

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Already done my exams 2 weeks ago

craggy dagger
chrome knot
autumn vault
craggy dagger
chrome knot
craggy dagger
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did my duel scare you yesterday-

chrome knot
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oh no it was just the first huggy sticker i had

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ur the bunny

opaque mauve
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Should I run calm mind with kyogre instead of origin pulse if I'm already using water spout?

next stump
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it’s usually either Origin Pulse + Calm Mind or Water Spot + Origin Pulse

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If you’re going bulky with calm mind you, you’d drop water spout

graceful flare
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I don't want to sound like I'm trolling or I'm being paranoid but I think torrent must have died or become sick

foggy lodge
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Or

graceful flare
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Bc he wouldn't be able to survive without this channel anywasy

foggy lodge
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Maybe just maybe

graceful flare
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Did he say anything?

foggy lodge
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He is doing his life

graceful flare
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Holy moly him?

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He spends around 10ish hours a day on this chat

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Unless his girlfriend told him to get a life and stop playing pokemon all day and he listened

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Or parents

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But hopefully he has a job as its extremely embarrassing if your 18 and play pokemon all day instead of doing actually useful things

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Like if u balance it with other stuff its fine ig but not all day

lethal zinc
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frogblink Idk, people can do what they want with the chat. Maybe they’re here off work or they’re looking for jobs as well. Being on a competitive Pokémon channel and acting like a gatekeeper when someone’s just trying to enjoy themselves feels cringe. Especially how you’re making a big enough deal to comment on them not being here more than once.

sick laurel
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Oooh I really like that emote

lethal zinc
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I appreciate it.

craggy dagger
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Amon!!!!!!

lethal zinc
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Good to see you, hope you’re well.

next stump
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I’m trying to find a shiny Eleki for my team and I’m regretting this grind

shrewd scarab
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Caught it in a xMoon too Business

next stump
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I stockpiled 30 fast balls so hopefully that’ll be enough to catch it in one, moon ball is a great choice

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I am not keeping full track of resets but I think I’m at like 1000 now? About 10 hours or so

shrewd scarab
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Did you do a calc on catching odds in a fastball for eleki?

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Your odds seem decent enough

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That’s If you have it a 1hp and asleep

next stump
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that’s great to see, should be 99%+ with 30 balls and 1HP + Asleep

shrewd scarab
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Yee HappyDance

foggy lodge
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Nvm i read Elekid for some reason lol

bold geode
gentle badger
next stump
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just make sure you have a plan into urshifu

bold geode
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Urshifu and my restricted should deal with it? I wanna give Rilla AV and I don't like Ting with AV lol

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Steel types just giving me a fuckin time rn

next stump
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what’s the team?

bold geode
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Can I DM it?

chrome knot
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dillon im so stuck rn for which team i wanna play

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also praying we’re put on the same team for opl thatd be funny

next stump
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that would be very funny

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I’m thinking of trying Kyogre for a little bit

shrewd scarab
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Wait…. Is Kyogre pog in VGC again?

gentle badger
molten oasis
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i dont really see any place to put it no

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over hearth ig

balmy glen
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how did u become a comp helper btw

balmy glen
next stump
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Tofu DM’d me and asked if I wanted to help, there is an application process if you want to apply as well

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tbh Tofu runs most of the actual server related stuff so he’d be a better ask but I’d imagine we could use 1 or 2 more comp helpers

balmy glen
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gotcha

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I think id be interested tbh

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I dont think I give bad advice lmao

next stump
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you definitely fit the bill for a good helper

bold geode
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What about me 👉👈

bold geode
shrewd scarab
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Dope

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Love me a Kyogre rain team

balmy glen
dull haven
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There isn't an application for helpers, there is one for mods but Helpes are chosen by their peers typically

lethal zinc
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If Tofu made an actual application for it, then I’ll be dammed, NecoTired

chrome knot
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tofu said dm a mod to me

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so imma base it off dat one

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vouch for keanu tho

bold geode
molten oasis
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Keanu would be great, would appreciate another helper here at times

lethal zinc
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Hello Monke.

molten oasis
bold geode
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Now to ask Keanu about all my dumbass team ideas KekHands

molten oasis
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what if he doesnt?

bold geode
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Eh imma ask you about em just to fuck with ya

molten oasis
bold geode
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Fuck you that's why

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WHY DO I KEEP RUNNING INTO THE FUCKING HORSES WITH PSYCHIC

balmy glen
molten oasis
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im finding lots of weakness policy solgaleo/dusk mane today

bold geode
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Dw, Chi Yu might carry

balmy glen
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i think tofu and i are usually on at different times which would be helpful

bold geode
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FUCK WAKE UP FISH

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I'M GONNA LOSE TO INCIN AMOONGUS AS CHI YU URSHIFU WTF

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THE ONE TIME THEY USE RAGE POWDER

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THE ONE FUCKING TIME
WHY IS THE TEAM THAT FELT ALRIGHT ALL OF A SUDDEN SHIT

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THANK YOU, DAMN

balmy glen
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happens

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this format favors a lot of team adjustments

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whether minor or major

bold geode
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Well I changed a member, so it'll happen rn, but like the team before was feeling bad

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After feeling good

molten oasis
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oh boy the electabuzz team

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where no one brings the electabuzz

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oh be brought the electabuzz

bold geode
molten oasis
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aaand i lost, thats cool

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tera fire ice rider is such a nightmare

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oh and he gets the crit on my zac, cool

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tough team to break

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with zac, cuz tera fire is a miserable tera to deal with

bold geode
forest arrow
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Taiwan Nationals are on rn

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Tubnation is streaming it

gentle badger
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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(im playing matches)

rustic mountain
bold geode
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Double Fake Out and priority

craggy dagger
craggy dagger
bold geode
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The giraffe can go kiss a moving car

gentle badger
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can I optimize Skeledirge to benefit from the Sun?

rustic mountain
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dude im watching michaelderbeste ranbats on yt y is this guy so good at pokemon kekwdisco

bold geode
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Honestly I can outbulk TR sometimes

rustic mountain
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bro has like a 90+% wr in randbats

bold geode
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Or I haven't had problems with it
Skill issue Nova, this team isn't weird enough for u

rustic mountain
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u have ray and hitmontop

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its pretty fucking weird

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this isnt 2016

bold geode
rustic mountain
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haha

forest arrow
rustic mountain
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nice

bold geode
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Thing is there's 3 boxes I wanna check

  1. Don't sacrifice Caly S MU
  2. Don't sacrifice Miraidon MU
  3. Be able to threaten Steel types
forest arrow
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I ran the Electabuzz team and enjoyed it, and the team report videos are cool

bold geode
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And idk which one is better

forest arrow
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Just good info to have

bold geode
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I'm thinking Chi Yu, but someone else said Chien

balmy glen
bold geode
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Which also like Chien boosts Ray, but Chi boosts Goldie, so I'm not losing there either way

rustic mountain
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has he? lmao

balmy glen
#

ye

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hes a smogon man

rustic mountain
#

i always thought he jus started

forest arrow
#

Yah ranbats is his specialty iirc

balmy glen
#

no, he just started vgc

rustic mountain
#

makes sense tho he knows like every set for randbats

balmy glen
#

hes an ou/randbats main

rustic mountain
#

jus casually floats into vgc and does super well

balmy glen
#

dou moment

molten oasis
#

so close to 1500, lost to a dozo

rustic mountain
#

yea dou is a bit closer to vgc tho haha

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still dope either way

gentle badger
#

can you use Skeledirge in a Sun team

rustic mountain
#

u can, should u? prolly not

balmy glen
#

ive seen it

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It was on a mid ladder alt though so

rustic mountain
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they know their shit

molten oasis
#

ive only seen dirge on very slow paced teams or sun teams so, idk

bold geode
#

I have decided
Chi Yu

forest arrow
#

Yeah good to learn more shit from people who know said shit, I’m an ok player and still think I’m ass lol

gentle badger
#

I wanna use both Venusaur and skeledirge in the same team (double battle team)

forest arrow
#

But resources always help me get better

molten oasis
forest arrow
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Thanks man

molten oasis
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plz one more game, lemme win against real shit plz lol

forest arrow
#

You got thisGengHeart

molten oasis
#

nope

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just, torn lando and zac gouging fire

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its not over, but it looks rough

bold geode
#

Throw you're not ass
You got ass
Get it right

rustic mountain
balmy glen
bold geode
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Got him, now Keanu is stuck here

balmy glen
#

bakit?

gentle badger
bold geode
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That's not either language fuck

balmy glen
#

🙂

bold geode
balmy glen
#

gg go next tbh

bold geode
#

Lol

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Anyways I decided Chi Yu over Pao cuz I think it hits all 3 criteria a tiny bit more

rustic mountain
#

wen u ask if its possible like wat do u mean. technically u can put any mon on the same team w/ one another as long as it isnt like a repeat of the same mon or a mythical (restricteds b4 they are allowed)

balmy glen
rustic mountain
#

or possible as in like good

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cuz if its the latter, then no

bold geode
rustic mountain
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skeledirge just doesnt have much of a place rn imo, power creep shut those guys out awhile ago (it and meowscarada)

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nd they dont do anything else to justify their use

balmy glen
#

no chien on ray seems kind of iffy

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but, i have seen it work

molten oasis
#

we won lol, somehow

bold geode
#

I wanted last Mon to threaten Steel types which are a bit of an issue while not sacrificing Miraidon or Caly S MUs cuz it's over Ting

molten oasis
#

incin was too much of an issue for them after i removed lando with wellspring

bold geode
#

Cuz like
Need Goldie cuz Ray + Chien Pao funnily enough don't do shit to Zamazenta

gentle badger
rustic mountain
#

yea uve said that

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still arent clarifying by what u mean by if its possible

bold geode
#

Urshifu has synergy with Ray as it can block Sun effects so like
From there it was just finding other stuff
Initial idea was Ray + Hitmontop

gentle badger
#

can it be used competitively?

molten oasis
bold geode
#

Reason why is funny AF, but I'll let you figure it out

rustic mountain
#

it can be, arent gna net many wins w/ it tho

bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
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Lol

gentle badger
#

ah, guess I'll just stick to normal story mode then.

bold geode
#

"He's asking questions, run"

balmy glen
#

a lot of niche mons can be used this regulation but you do need to cook and skeledirge shouldnt be built around but rather a mon you use to fill

rustic mountain
#

^

bold geode
#

Yeah
Like Hitmontop lol

molten oasis
#

love this format, when im not getting parahaxed

gentle badger
rustic mountain
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keanu u try out that wo chien ogre team

rustic mountain
balmy glen
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i mean main users of it

rustic mountain
#

yea

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thats wats up

balmy glen
#

I beat andrew ding and justin on ladder

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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u were facing em on high ladder right? iirc

molten oasis
#

nah grimmsnal has been getting on my nerves all day

gentle badger
#

I'm just gonna stick to the main campaign for now.

rustic mountain
#

get screens up and just para shit

molten oasis
#

for sure

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its, irritating but i get it

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also ive learned to just bblade it so im not getting parahaxed for the whole game

rustic mountain
#

ur getting long games w/ that team

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good to maximize chances and shit w/ the paras

molten oasis
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yea it works very well

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cool team

molten oasis
#

think the wellspring might be cope but i played with wellspring zac at the very beginning of the format and still think it has some merrit

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event tho its the third best form imo, i still think wellspring is better than teal mask

rustic mountain
#

the wellspring falloff needs to be studied

molten oasis
#

then corner at top, then hearth

rustic mountain
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its like nowhere basically now

molten oasis
#

seriously

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gotta wait for the wolfe or rizzo video

rustic mountain
#

lol

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cornerstone being the best is wild

molten oasis
#

rock coverage good

rustic mountain
#

other then teal, theyve all had their moment

molten oasis
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and also guaranteed tr at times

balmy glen
rustic mountain
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teal had like 1 placement

balmy glen
#

I have like 10 accounts in top 50 rn

molten oasis
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yea in like, what early reg f?

rustic mountain
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lmao bruh

balmy glen
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all different teams

rustic mountain
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im like 3 in top 500 lmfao

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10 in top 50 is insane

molten oasis
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i've made top 500 once, i dont climb for hours, that and i play with odd teams lol

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if i climb for hours the bad rng i have shows

balmy glen
#

oh I dont really climb for hours I just que at the same time

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if its bo3 I only do 2 bo3s at the same time though

molten oasis
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that and, obviously i just need to play better

bold geode
#

I queue for hours listening to Lofi music

molten oasis
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oh, uh, yea, top 500 in bo1 cough

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i have never actually gone and grinded through bo3 ladder

rustic mountain
#

keanu do u recognize the user tuanzai233 ? i queued into them like 5 times las night they were top 50-60 initially

molten oasis
#

that looks familiar

balmy glen
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
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i posted a cppl replays vs them

molten oasis
#

oh?

rustic mountain
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yea they had a rough ladder sesh

balmy glen
#

send, maybe ill recognize the team

bold geode
rustic mountain
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ended on like 1600s wen i played em last

craggy dagger
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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id also like to see, im curious on the team

rustic mountain
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this was like the 5th time we played

craggy dagger
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oh it doesnt get pump, bounce this gen

molten oasis
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i fought taht dude once i believe

rustic mountain
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yea maybe

molten oasis
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couldn't break the fucking calyrex

dapper crag
#
Magikarp's moveset:
Physical Moves

Flail, Tackle

Special Moves
Status Moves

Splash

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Magikarp.

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rustic mountain
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i was paralyzing leech seeding it initially

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then realized incin was jus 10x better into the matchup and decided the last game to just sack wo chien

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even tho that won be 3 of the 4 games before

balmy glen
#

I have 10 accounts in top 50 bo3

rustic mountain
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oh lmfao

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makes sense

balmy glen
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i think i only have 1 or 2 in top 50 for bo1 i dont play bo1 much

rustic mountain
#

but also holy shit

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10 in top 50 bo3 is even more impressive

molten oasis
#

i need to play more bo3 tbh

rustic mountain
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yea i jus do bo1 mostly now, hopefully next szn can compete, had a few irl stuff pop up for some irl tours i had signed up for

balmy glen
#

ok I just checked I only have 5 in top 50 now but ye

molten oasis
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i play test too much lol

rustic mountain
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oh wow only 5?

balmy glen
#

I had 10 in top 50 yesterday

molten oasis
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wow nice

balmy glen
#

sad

molten oasis
#

still impressive none the less

balmy glen
#

its hard to keep track of alts ngl lol

rustic mountain
#

dude is 10% of the top 50 and is like awwww mannnnn

molten oasis
#

lmfao

rustic mountain
balmy glen
#

I need to go for rank 1 on one of them but I havent figured out what team I like yet

#

worlds grind goes hard

rustic mountain
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lmao 10 teams id say so

molten oasis
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hopefully you find something you like

rustic mountain
#

esm and him r gna cook

molten oasis
#

cooking with people, thats cool

#

well anyway hope things work out ok

#

im gonna go look at how to improve this team since i got 0 feedback on it

balmy glen
#

Havent been using zam lately

rustic mountain
#

ahh fair enough

balmy glen
#

pretty disappointed in my 6-3 at NAIC but I had 5 of my worst mus which made it so awkward

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trying to find the best team I have that is walled by the least common restricted lol

rustic mountain
#

yea zam doesnt feel as strong as it did w/ how the metas developed but its still good

#

6-3 for naic is hella good but i understand not being satisfied especially w/ how far uve gotten before

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but yea hitting shitty mus unfortunately happens jus gta do wat ur doing and figure out wat has the least amount of those

rustic mountain
#

wish u luck tho

molten oasis
#

that is fair

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where tofu when you need him arkeknine

lofty tartan
#

Honestly thinking about giving Koraidon/Goth a shot, myself BlobHyperSweats

molten oasis
#

not that i want to bug him ik hes moving an shit

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

i wanna build the ogre wo chien team in game

lofty tartan
#

I either need to figure out EVs or find a paste with some.

#

I was thinking of that too, Tree. Basically those are my two considerations right now

rustic mountain
#

idt ive seen it floating around myself but that doesnt mean it isnt

lofty tartan
#

Right

molten oasis
#

was goth koraidon a thing at NAIC?

lofty tartan
#

Yeah

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

i see

lofty tartan
#

Just not super duper high.

#

Like 52 I think?

molten oasis
#

still decent

rustic mountain
#

if u like slowplay its a nice team

#

4 dark types is wild tho

lofty tartan
rustic mountain
#

and a good placed fighting type can be really disruptive/annoying

#

but its p easy to navigate generally u have a lot of options

molten oasis
#

neat

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i dont play that slow so idt i'll try that out

lofty tartan
#

I have a soft spot for Iron Jugulis

molten oasis
#

but its cool

lofty tartan
#

Jugs/Ogre seems tough.

rustic mountain
#

i dont usually either but i got tired of csr ho and cir stuff

molten oasis
#

i think calyrex stuff is kinda boring in general

lofty tartan
#

Yeah I was not really enjoying the mirrors arkeknine

molten oasis
#

ik its strong and i get that, it is not super fun to play for me

rustic mountain
#

i do wanna use patricks cir team tho that def fits my style perfectly, urshi/rilla/incin core my beloved

molten oasis
#

good team for sure

lofty tartan
#

Yeah I was playing that for awhile at the start of the regulation but I had farigiraf over bolt.

rustic mountain
#

u had rilla over shroom?

molten oasis
#

i played CIR with bloodmoon fari and dengo for a while

rustic mountain
#

a lot of ppl had shroom there originally

lofty tartan
#

Oh yeah, I had shroom. Sorry.

balmy glen
#

look at taiwan nationals lol

rustic mountain
#

yea rilla over shroom oddly changes a decent amount of how the team plays

lofty tartan
#

It's a good point.

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

where are the results for that?

lofty tartan
#

Dude I am sweating bullets waiting to hear about my Professor application BlobHyperSweats

molten oasis
#

or is it ongoing rn?

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

i figured

molten oasis
#

itll work out

rustic mountain
#

gl herbie

lofty tartan
#

Exam felt easy, but I always worry about that crap lol

balmy glen
rustic mountain
#

oh ofc, i wouldnt expect anything less

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

cope

#

also look at the end of that sentence

molten oasis
#

lmao

bold geode
#

I can't read

rustic mountain
#

ik

bold geode
#

Nah Rayquaza winning Worlds Copium

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

zac winning worlds copege

#

odds are its a caly

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or terapagos

rustic mountain
#

calys pagos or miraidon

bold geode
#

Honestly I hope Zamazenta does just so I can go 🖕

rustic mountain
#

stuff like zama ogre and koraidon are sleeper picks

molten oasis
#

I want zac to win cuz its the restricted i deliberately suffer with lol

bold geode
#

Me when Zamazenta wins Worlds

molten oasis
#

(its not that bad)

rustic mountain
#

zacian is just very middle of the pack

molten oasis
#

mhmm

rustic mountain
#

the nerfs were too much unfortunately

molten oasis
#

you have to have a strong team behind it

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it doesn't have the carry potential other restricteds do

bold geode
rustic mountain
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i bailed onnit very early and its def seen some success, but its closer to lunala tier then like kyogre tier

molten oasis
#

double restricted i think it gets better tho

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like yes everything gets better but i can, hopefully see, zac ogre have some success

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

Like Rayquaza literally feels like it's a middle of the pack Pokemon and I think that's the reason why it's not big in the meta

molten oasis
#

zac beat the shit allegations and now it just lives in "its alright" tier

#

idt ray has gotten out of that

rustic mountain
#

i dont see how it does

bold geode
molten oasis
#

no

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ray is shit, zac is, well i think zac is good then everything above is great

bold geode
molten oasis
#

although zac def below kyogre and koraidon

#

then above lunala

rustic mountain
#

ray suffers basically almost all the same issues as zacian except it can run clear amulet. its still a subpar single target restricted that faced w/ any real bulk or good positioning just falls flat on its face

bold geode
#

As long as you don't forget that Kyogre runs Ice Beam (I totally didn't last night)

rustic mountain
#

atleast zacian has good typing

molten oasis
#

speed tier too

bold geode
#

I feel like Lunala has all the bulk and nothing to do with it rn

molten oasis
#

outspeeding miraidon is great

#

then it looks at CSR and cries

rustic mountain
#

but lunala has also seen fringe success

molten oasis
#

its okay

balmy glen
#

wait I just witnessed the worst throw of all time

balmy glen
#

its one of my teams in top 50

bold geode
#

Like if it could do decent immediate damage, it'd be fine but like
Usually it takes time to get going

molten oasis
#

A ZACIAN BELIEVER?!?

rustic mountain
#

dont tell him that keanu

bold geode
#

Lol
Rare to find

molten oasis
#

nah ill take it, even if its cope

#

its my favorite

bold geode
#

The Zacian believers are an endangered species rn

rustic mountain
#

im not saying my take is absolute

molten oasis
#

yea cuz they got humbled by zama

rustic mountain
#

i just personally dont see zacian that way

bold geode
#

Yeah heh
Zama pog

#

I love Zamazenta
It fits the category of "stupid bulky for no reason"

molten oasis
#

and actually utilizes it

bold geode
#

Yeah it actually uses it lol

#

It's the opposite of Lunala rn lol

rustic mountain
bold geode
#

It has bulk with something to do

molten oasis
#

i think lunala also just doesn't like being the same typing as CSR

bold geode
molten oasis
#

you want a ghost psychic type CSR exists

rustic mountain
#

i jus thought that was funny im like my brother in christ ur tera was completely wasted

polar canyon
#

Zama literally be saying the best offense is a good defense

molten oasis
#

true

polar canyon
#

And the best defense is also a good defense

bold geode
bold geode
#

When I wasn't sitting on the bench KekHands

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

fuck i saw some1 was running tera ghost orthoworm but i cant remember from where i gta find the vid, and honestly that being ur zama answer is hilarious

molten oasis
#

thats funny as shit lol

rustic mountain
#

it did well tho it was at some irl tour

bold geode
polar canyon
#

Of all things you could tera ghost

rustic mountain
#

yes

bold geode
#

I swear the random Zamazenta tech gets wild sometimes

rustic mountain
balmy glen
molten oasis
#

tera ghost low kick kingambit trust (i miss kingambit)

polar canyon
#

My tech is just volcarona

balmy glen
#

If myself and Suica can’t figure out Zacian idk what to tell u

rustic mountain
#

lmao

polar canyon
#

Support Volc is a sleeper pick fr

bold geode
molten oasis
#

yea uh, figured lol

balmy glen
#

we do have a Zacian team though

#

It’s pretty fire

bold geode
molten oasis
balmy glen
bold geode
#

Ah

rustic mountain
#

best it will be but still not good enough

molten oasis
#

i will continue to use it and get better with it cuz in general i dont like anything else that much

bold geode
#

I'm just using Rayquaza for content, although I have genuinely had fun with it

polar canyon
#

You tried everything else?

molten oasis
#

yes

rustic mountain
#

me usin ogre and realizing i dont get boosts for kos: PES4_AngeryTableSlam

molten oasis
#

ive gone and tried other things, i dont really like the other guys that much

foggy lodge
polar canyon
#

Do you not even like anything else just a little

molten oasis
#

like, if i really got bored of zac i'd probably play miraidon ig

molten oasis
balmy glen
#

Was actually considering using Zacian at worlds tbh

rustic mountain
#

why tho

balmy glen
#

It’s good in the meta rn

rustic mountain
#

is it?

bold geode
#

It's honestly not that bad
It's just as I said
At most, it's pros and cons match each other in a 50/50 ratio
And imo like
You want your restricted rn to have pros outweigh cons (no shit Sherlock)

polar canyon
balmy glen
#

like actually lol

molten oasis
#

i mean

#

valuable typing, good speed tier

balmy glen
#

Like I said Suica is on it Rn

#

I just don’t like missing my play roughs (I keep missing)

rustic mountain
#

yea idk man im obviously missing something

molten oasis
#

just have things to remove incin and steel/fire types and its like, okay

bold geode
#

I mean threatening Koraidon is pog

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

i dont see how its better now into the meta then before

polar canyon
foggy lodge
#

Zacian Pelipper would be good?

molten oasis
#

zac pelipper is a thing

balmy glen
molten oasis
#

like, that is THE thing

#

i think

balmy glen
bold geode
rustic mountain
#

incin is running rampant, miraidon has speed control and just dunks on it, csr can boost up nd has sufficient partners to let it do that, cir can tera vs bb

molten oasis
balmy glen
molten oasis
#

oh ig

bold geode
#

They're Fairy Tera usually now I guess

molten oasis
#

you murder clef

#

they cant tera safely, yea i see that

foggy lodge
#

Atleast you tank draining kiss

#

It does well against Terapagos i guess

rustic mountain
#

u dont tank astral barrage well at +2

balmy glen
#

Against the most common versions of the teams atm you actually have a 50/50 mu into a lot of things

molten oasis
#

noted

polar canyon
#

Even koraidon can tera fire against you and then what, neutral sacred sword?

balmy glen
#

Well u force Koraidon to Tera, have something for the Tera fire, focus other slot

molten oasis
#

probably depends on what you choose to run with zac for koraidon, peli is great for that

bold geode
#

Yeah I think it's more to do with how people are running stuff vs the mons themselves

balmy glen
#

^

rustic mountain
#

ik u dont wanna share teams understandably b4 worlds but can u atleast say is yalls zacian team sauced or is it pretty standard

molten oasis
#

im curious as well

balmy glen
#

Half and half

bold geode
#

Like Zamazenta is good into Terapagos, but a lot of them run Chi Yu rn iirc so that makes the MU not free

balmy glen
#

well my version and Suicas is a tad bit different

molten oasis
#

so its kinda sauced

polar canyon
#

Howl scream tail + zacian is coming

molten oasis
#

idt that shit works ngl

balmy glen
#

I’d say his is more standard while I have 2 more niche mons

molten oasis
#

howl feels awkward

rustic mountain
#

yea u need some sauce to make that 50/50 i feel otherwise i dont see how it has that into well played comps of the teams u mentioned

foggy lodge
#

How many good fairy types are in the meta rn?

balmy glen
foggy lodge
#

Flutter Mane, Scream Tail¿

molten oasis
#

man i wanna see but yall are prepping for worlds so i get no sharing

polar canyon
bold geode
#

I feel like we're getting to the point where either

  1. Shit is getting more established
  2. Shit that's already established is still shining
molten oasis
#

so like, 4

balmy glen
#

Gholdengo food doesn’t sound good

molten oasis
#

eh ig bolt isnt using fairy tera that much

bold geode
#

Like technically the 6 Pat won NAIC with has been around for a hot minute

foggy lodge
#

Nah Bolt is using tera electric i think

molten oasis
#

mhmm

rustic mountain
bold geode
rustic mountain
#

mfer stealing any and every gold coin in sight

molten oasis
#

just add incin ez

polar canyon
foggy lodge
#

Is Koraidon Gholdengo a problem against Zac?

molten oasis
#

dengo no like incin

bold geode
#

But we'll
I know it hurts Zamazenta and I needed a Zamazenta answer so fuck it

#

I'm sorry Zamazenta
Forgive me

rustic mountain
#

no

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

Because i genuinely think Gholdengo is the best partner for Koraidon

rustic mountain
#

zama doesnt forgive or forget

polar canyon
molten oasis
#

...why?

rustic mountain
#

gholdengo in sun seems wack

bold geode
molten oasis
#

ik but still

#

you still pressure the dengo slot

bold geode
# rustic mountain gholdengo in sun seems wack

You know what fucks up Zamazenta unless you prepare specifically for it
Caly I Gholdengo
Because like Caly I usually is a free MU for it, but then Goldie adds a whole other fucking dimension to it

polar canyon
#

I haven't actually seen gholdengo in a long time

molten oasis
#

dengo isnt too popular rn

bold geode
#

It should be

#

Honestly it fuckin should be lmao

rustic mountain
#

on why its slotted there for that type of mu

dapper crag
#

trading legendary shinies

polar canyon
#

Because it takes on zam?

bold geode
#

Like CSR is the only thing that's winning that Goldie hates

polar canyon
rustic mountain
dapper crag
#

ah ok

molten oasis
#

i mean restricted wise yea

rustic mountain
#

read the rules and guidelines first

bold geode
balmy glen
molten oasis
#

how'd it do?

bold geode
#

Literally one set I had against it, they held it back for 5-8 turns every game and it fucked me hard

balmy glen
#

I went 6-3 (I got hard c teamed by Kyogre)

molten oasis
#

i meant the dengo specifically

foggy lodge
#

The ghost/steel/fighting covers a lot of things

molten oasis
#

byt also nice

balmy glen
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Oh it felt like my restricted

polar canyon
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Huh

molten oasis
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thats cool

polar canyon
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Can you elaborate

balmy glen
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I didn’t even bring Koraidon to like 4 rounds

rustic mountain
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lmao

molten oasis
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dengo koraidon, may i ask why you paired it with koraidon?

rustic mountain
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was jus gna ask

balmy glen
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Koraidon struggles with Caly ice and certain Zama cores, Ogerpon Corner + Gholdengo solves that

molten oasis
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that makes a lot of sense

balmy glen
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I also had Tera normal on it so I could bring it to certain CSR matches

rustic mountain
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were those the sets u didnt bring koraidon to those mus? cuz then thatd make sense

balmy glen
bold geode
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Actually y'know what genuinely made me sad and confused last night
So I watched someone play my Ray team last night, and their dumbass hit tera Water on Gholdengo in the Zamazenta MU right
My Goldie absolutely tanked a +1 BP

rustic mountain
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ahhh ok

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fair enough

molten oasis
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i see the reasoning for sure

rustic mountain
balmy glen
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With the Koraidon team though even when I didn’t bring them to full sets I did go on and off because sometimes not bringing your restricted when people are forced to counter them can actually just flat out win you a game

bold geode
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Like you're telling me that even if I get Goldie to tera that +1 BP can miss a KO
Sadge

rustic mountain
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so if they can minimize/take care of those, gholdy is jus ready to win the middle/end game

molten oasis
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yea, learned that with zac, although i bring zac most games

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think i lose to the tera fire ice riders the most rn, that tera is so frustrating to deal with

balmy glen
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Especially when you see that people are over prepping for certain comps I just mind gamed them to over compensating for my Koraidon

bold geode
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I run IDBP Zamazenta bro
Caly I fucking tickles lmao

polar canyon
molten oasis
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well, rn i dont have a water type notably good into CIR

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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im messing with wellspring zac gapdos rn

polar canyon
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Why gapdos

molten oasis
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defiant

polar canyon
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I see

bold geode
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
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strong flying coverage is still good rn

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faster than shifu

balmy glen
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We have that on our Zama team

molten oasis
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a gapdos?

foggy lodge
balmy glen
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No T wave flutter

foggy lodge
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I tried that

molten oasis
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oh lol i got confused

balmy glen
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Gapdos is only on my friends hard room team

rustic mountain
bold geode
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T Wave Flutter is too fucking good

molten oasis
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my bad

rustic mountain
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maybe not like to an extreme cuz it has answers on its own but they arent that plentiful

bold geode
balmy glen
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Road to competitive helper

rustic mountain
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im tired i misunderstood

balmy glen
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Road to worlds was hit

rustic mountain
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dont mind me

bold geode
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The Caly I part is just
Step 1. Iron Defense
Step 2. Literally do any fuckin thing lol

rustic mountain
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yea

mighty stump
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BUT GHOLDENGO DOESNT HELP WITH ZAMA

molten oasis
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hi tofu

bold geode
mighty stump
bold geode
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Don't you tell me this shit bro

rustic mountain
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some1 said that here didnt they

balmy glen
bold geode
mighty stump
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Bust out your Lucky Chants

bold geode
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Honestly I want Keanu as comp helper, cuz then we all are listening to a dude who just graduated high school

mighty stump
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Better player than this channel

bold geode
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Lmao

mighty stump
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So like

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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I wonder what will japan players bring to worlds like

balmy glen
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moment

mighty stump
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Age doesn’t matter lmao

bold geode
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True
Once again Tofu
I told you the kids would beat my ass

foggy lodge
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Thay have a very different meta right?

mighty stump
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I think they just have a different approach rather than meta

balmy glen
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Aurelian and I just graduated highschool

mighty stump
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Different regions tend to have different preferences

bold geode
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Yeah age definitely don't matter, I know those juniors could sweep me

foggy lodge
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Makes sense

bold geode
mighty stump
balmy glen
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Aurelian and I both skipped highschool graduation to go to NAIC xddd