#competitive_discussion

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bold geode
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So you have Chien Pao and Wide Guard basically

fair wraith
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Idk what to tell you then, an AV bolt just deals enough damage and can take enough damage and pelipper was mainly wide guard but weather ball does some actually fair damage

bold geode
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I wouldn't call it easy even with that lol

fair wraith
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I mean

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I never really struggled

bold geode
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Then you haven't fought a good Gholdengo player lol

fair wraith
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It hope they’re decently skilled if theyve gotten to the mid 1700s

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And tbf I did have screens up 9/10 times

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Or nine times out of ten, whatever the saying is

bold geode
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Yeah idk

fair wraith
# bold geode Yeah idk

I really want to avoid sounding pompous when I say this but I think in the vast majority of games I was just the better player

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Sometimes para hax came very in clutch

bold geode
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Yeah no offense but it doesn't sound like you fought a well executed Gholdengo at least
Like there is a difference there

fair wraith
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So am i to believe that every high ladder gold that I ever fought was bad

graceful flare
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Is high horsepower spread

fair wraith
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No

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Earthquake bulldoze and sandsear are the only spread ground moves in S/V I believe

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Unless burning jealousy and scorching sands are

bold geode
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Like you can be a good player and have a bad game of play

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I just know like
They play Gholdengo well and it's impossible to remove
Play it to a middle ground, and it's manageable
It depends

fair wraith
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And idk I just find my self a very confident player with reads so it’s just never impossible for me to see a team or hell even a single pokemon and believe I’m toast

bold geode
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Yeah
Who knows
It's just my opinion, I mained Zamazenta for two months so like
I just have experience with the MU and was putting my opinion into it mainly

fair wraith
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I mean that’s fair enough

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Wait gimme a sec I might be about to cook

dapper crag
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Calyrex's moveset:
Physical Moves

Body Press, Bullet Seed, Facade, Giga Impact, Pay Day, Pound, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex.

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Calyrex-Ice's moveset:
Physical Moves

Assurance, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Glacial Lance, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Lash Out, Megahorn, Outrage, Pay Day, Payback, Pound, Seed Bomb, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Curse, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Hail, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Mist, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Ice.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
chrome knot
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@mighty stump open call pls i wanna listen while i wait for estrogen refill

graceful flare
chrome knot
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medication?

graceful flare
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Ohh

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What does it do

chrome knot
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+Estrogen levels
-Testosterone levels

graceful flare
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Um ok

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You do you I guess

forest arrow
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@molten oasis can you open the call so i can join for a little?

bold geode
chrome knot
fair wraith
timber falcon
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For this reg normal is fine tbh

fair wraith
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anti flutter, caly and so on

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it'll do

timber falcon
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these are just some usage stats

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fair wraith
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really, steel

graceful flare
timber falcon
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mhm double STAB is nice

chrome knot
fair wraith
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i wonder why fairy is so high

graceful flare
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Ohh now I get it

bold geode
dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice
Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Weight (Low Kick BP)

809.1kg (120 BP)

Height

2.4m

Introduced

Generation 8

Base Species

Calyrex

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

White

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
timber falcon
fair wraith
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i went w normal

chrome knot
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@mighty stump unfortunately showdown ladder doesnt mean much

fair wraith
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prefer it for my matchups

chrome knot
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move to north america rn

graceful flare
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How much damage will body press do on calyrex

timber falcon
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posion and steel type moves arent commonly found with strong moves, so fairy tera is safe defensively

chrome knot
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im 1200 and i place in irl events lmao

timber falcon
mighty stump
graceful flare
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What move can I run on caly ice that's mot horsepower bc I don't want to miss

chrome knot
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so when can you compete in irl circuit tofu

mighty stump
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Probably when Singapore Nats comes around

timber falcon
chrome knot
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when dat

mighty stump
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Since im moving soon

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Probably next year

chrome knot
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does that mean you actually have to place in gcs

mighty stump
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Since the seasons already over

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No

chrome knot
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or is it open

mighty stump
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it's an in-person event

bold geode
chrome knot
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oh!

mighty stump
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If I get Top 8 I get an Worlds invite

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But idrc how I do

chrome knot
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see you @ worlds next year lol

mighty stump
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Just the chance to compete is pretty exciting

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Lmao

graceful flare
mighty stump
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In the meantime I signed up for OPL/playing in Region Rumble/and Inkay Games

fair wraith
bold geode
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Normal then

fair wraith
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for the tera i mean

graceful flare
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What should I run instead of hh on caly ice I don't want to miss

bold geode
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Close Combat

fair wraith
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I've essentially just swapped bolt for gold on this teams but i'll make adjustments where i see necessary

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rn i'm not a great fan of my incin matchup but hey ho

dull haven
fair wraith
molten oasis
timber falcon
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im seeing lots of tera ground tera blast zac now

fair wraith
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Huh

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Would’ve thought they’d have disappeared ever since CSR won

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Not zacians as a whole just the tera ground sect

timber falcon
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nah every zac ive seen since has run it

fair wraith
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Well that is fairly odd

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No SD or do they drop play rough or protect?

timber falcon
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i think they drop sd

mighty stump
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@chrome knot

SPOILER_Snorlax.png
chrome knot
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^-^

fair wraith
timber falcon
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nope

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just zac and regidrago

upbeat quail
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Man idk if choice band Rilla or AV Rilla is better in this format.

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I’m leaning towards Band lowkey

bold geode
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How Khuja

dull haven
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I'm okay

molten oasis
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imma go play destiny

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yall have fun

dull haven
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Have fun Drago ^.^

craggy dagger
tough mural
chrome knot
bold geode
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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whyyyy

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i not lunch :<

calm gulch
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#BullyMonke

bold geode
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#gigumbreon

little plank
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@fair wraith gotta say the team is solid straight to 1700 no issues

fair wraith
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Ty

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As I said at the time it was my magnum opus

little plank
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It's gotta be solid though as I've never used zama before and went like 17-4 lmao

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I think the only thing I lost to was caly s teams, and that's more then likely because I piloted bad

fair wraith
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If you wanna try that

little plank
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Nah I think bolt is to nice to have for kyogre

fair wraith
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And for CSR I usually just T waved it then sent a gorilla sized nuke at it

fair wraith
little plank
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Screened bolt is amazing into ogre lol

fair wraith
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ik, it practically makes it unviable against it

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like realistically a crit Ice beam would be their win con

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and even thin it'd live

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*then

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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WAHT

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i dont taste good!!!

craggy dagger
graceful flare
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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save meeee shes gonna eat meeee

graceful flare
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My elegant use of the focus sash held item elevates the survability of my beautiful inteleon therefore having a better overral performance unlike your unelegant choice specs

fair wraith
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me when surging strikes probably kills anyway

graceful flare
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Surging strikes won't kill inteleon

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He resists it

craggy dagger
graceful flare
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He does

craggy dagger
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mmm

graceful flare
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He can chef up the entire opp block by himself

craggy dagger
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though tbh-
i should run sash tera dragon for dragon cheer

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so i can protect and tailwind with roaring moon

graceful flare
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Dragon cheer is lame

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Dragon cheer is good

craggy dagger
fair wraith
graceful flare
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I meant focus sash

fair wraith
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a lot of pokemon resist but in rain urshifu just doesn't care

graceful flare
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Choice scarf terapagos

craggy dagger
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so much damage

252+ SpA Inteleon Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 98-116 (56 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Inteleon Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 76 SpD Tornadus: 120-142 (67 - 79.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Inteleon Snipe Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Flutter Mane: 58-69 (44.6 - 53%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Inteleon Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 78-94 (44.5 - 53.7%) -- 33.2% chance to 2HKO

fair wraith
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did we account for the snipe

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(crit)

craggy dagger
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sniper doesn’t actually do anything unless you crit so no i wont count sniper except for maybe snipe shot

fair wraith
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hear me out

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tera dragon inteleon

craggy dagger
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it’s why i’m running dragon cheer tera dragon

fair wraith
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dragon cheer

graceful flare
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Very original

craggy dagger
fair wraith
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give it surf

craggy dagger
fair wraith
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and rain

graceful flare
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I think a defensive tera type such as Steel will do it good

fair wraith
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funny

craggy dagger
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so it’ll wipe out your entire team?

fair wraith
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yea pretty much

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or water pledge

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and another pledge user

craggy dagger
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sludge wave iron moth from vancouver regionals moment KEKWCRY

fair wraith
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i only recently found out how op they were

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anyway

graceful flare
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Palafin is a restricted legendary that isn't a restricted legendary why did it fall of

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It's better than urshifu stat wize

fair wraith
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because it doesnt have surging strikes

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also thunderclap

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and it's fairly easy to contain

craggy dagger
dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 964: Palafin
Type

Water

Abilities

Zero to Hero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/70/72/53/62/100

Total

457

Other Formes

Palafin-Hero

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
fair wraith
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swamp is fun

craggy dagger
fair wraith
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let me have my stupid fun

craggy dagger
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it needs to switch out

graceful flare
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So

fair wraith
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obvious weekpoint

craggy dagger
graceful flare
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It's good without switching out

craggy dagger
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it’s like slaking-
it’s stats are fucking huge

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 289: Slaking
Type

Normal

Abilities

Truant

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/160/100/95/65/100

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
craggy dagger
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but it’s held back by truant

fair wraith
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give my king weezing galar or wonder room

graceful flare
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I Don't understand why they can't just give it huge power instead of truant

fair wraith
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hmmm

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why dont they give zacian huge power

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or mewtwo neuroforce

craggy dagger
graceful flare
craggy dagger
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you’re so narrow minded and meta focused

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i shall now take my leave since i need to focus on math

fair wraith
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doesn't take a genius to understand a pokemon with the moves like mewtwo might want an ability that boosts SE damage

craggy dagger
bold geode
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Wtf am I reading

fair wraith
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ted kaczynskis manifesto

craggy dagger
bold geode
craggy dagger
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basically-
i’m being called a peasant for even trying to make inteleon work-
then this certain meta centric narrow minded person said that theirs is better KEKWCRY

bold geode
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Nova fill me in on what's happening

craggy dagger
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said it does lots of damage without specs-

craggy dagger
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it does nothing KEKWCRY

bold geode
graceful flare
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I don't use calcs

craggy dagger
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that’s your first problem

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if you’re playing niche you use calcs

fair wraith
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a true wildcard

craggy dagger
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do you want me to show you the teams i’ve made

graceful flare
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Not a calc

graceful flare
fair wraith
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did ash use calcs?

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just saying

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a real goat doesn't calc

dull haven
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Ash is a made-up character in a show

fair wraith
graceful flare
dull haven
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Pretty much

fair wraith
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bro where

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blasphemer

graceful flare
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And it took him 25 years to win a league

fair wraith
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took him a year to conquer everything

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if that

graceful flare
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Is wide guard nesseacry

craggy dagger
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you cannot tell me that-
these teams are bound by rules

graceful flare
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Understoot

fair wraith
craggy dagger
fair wraith
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let schroedinger have his fun

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don't ruin stuff

craggy dagger
fair wraith
craggy dagger
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cool-
did i ask?

fair wraith
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and shit got me and @little plank 1700 easy

mighty stump
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We’ve gotten to a point where I see more blocked messages than actual text

dull haven
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So different people play different ways. So please move on

craggy dagger
mighty stump
dull haven
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I'm just here to be a peace keeper lol

craggy dagger
mighty stump
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Pretty much

bold geode
graceful flare
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I am nkt trolling man

mighty stump
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I kinda give up lol

craggy dagger
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i got heated…
i don’t usually get-
FukingDies

molten oasis
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i dont block many people

dull haven
molten oasis
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i just, dont care

graceful flare
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Just get over I don't spend 17 hours figuring out a specific pokemons matchups

craggy dagger
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but i will defend if someone takes my set-
and claims it’s better than mine KEKWCRY

mighty stump
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I rarely if ever block people even in comp chat but the sheer stupidity and lack of critical thinking is just pitiful

bold geode
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Oh I see now lol

dull haven
mighty stump
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It’s annoying

graceful flare
bold geode
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I'm just gonna watch

craggy dagger
graceful flare
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Guys let's stop

craggy dagger
fair wraith
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how is it possible to be 5 steps behind???

graceful flare
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Maybe my friends are right about me being with special needs in school

mighty stump
dull haven
bold geode
graceful flare
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Who is shilliangs

molten oasis
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that team is that interesting huh

mighty stump
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The actual back and forths are flawed hypotheticals being spouted by garbage players

bold geode
molten oasis
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ah

mighty stump
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Teams that are just an egregious mess in the face of the hobby

bold geode
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But it is interesting too lol

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But I already have the paste so

rustic mountain
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yea i wanna try that team

bold geode
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🤷‍♂️

molten oasis
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love the guy arguing that dengo doesn't at least help the zama mu, that was, a converation

bold geode
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Lmao

rustic mountain
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4 dark types is gna have me bugging inside but well pull thru

fair wraith
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that wasn't my point 💀

graceful flare
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Zamazenta isn't even that good

mighty stump
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I’m just gonna start unblocking and start arguing

graceful flare
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It's body press iron def

molten oasis
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aaaaaaand i regret saying anything

mighty stump
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Let’s see

graceful flare
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Just use a pokemon with strong offensive stats

rustic mountain
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the best placing zama teams havent even done iron defense

fair wraith
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i mean not really, i think you've just misinterpreted what i was trying to get across

molten oasis
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zama is literally one of the best restricteds in the format

rustic mountain
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also zama has def proven it has a place

graceful flare
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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body press from that thing fucking hurts

mighty stump
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All I’m reading is more terrible opinions from people who don’t know shit

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Wow

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Who could have thought

molten oasis
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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dont look half bad

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although iron jugulis is right there

fair wraith
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
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moon fell off hard

molten oasis
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roaring mid

fair wraith
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i was saying not really as in I wasn't out to start an argument

bold geode
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Oh I see one dude lmao

graceful flare
craggy dagger
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i can’t actually justify roaring moon asides from i like the moon KEKWCRY

bold geode
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I'm watching now, Tofu gonna lol

rustic mountain
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its a cool mon i liked using it a few regs ago

molten oasis
fair wraith
craggy dagger
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wait jugulis gets dragon cheer??

molten oasis
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then died

molten oasis
craggy dagger
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well time to make jugulis and try that out too

molten oasis
graceful flare
molten oasis
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cuz now im confused

craggy dagger
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also do i need volcarona?

fair wraith
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my point was that gholdengo isn't just the swiss army knife of a counter to zamazenta that i was seeing people say, like my teams hap workarounds to it

molten oasis
mighty stump
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It’s incredibly impressive how terrible people are always at delivering points.

fair wraith
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i agree its one of the harder mons to matchup into

fair wraith
molten oasis
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well sure yea, but the dengo player has to do the same thing

bold geode
craggy dagger
molten oasis
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but into zama im going to think "yea i want dengo here" since its great for that mu

craggy dagger
fair wraith
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yea i agree w that

molten oasis
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and im going to have to play around how you lead

fair wraith
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i was only saying that it's not an auto loss

bold geode
molten oasis
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thats just part of the game

fair wraith
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i thought thats what you were trying to say

molten oasis
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no

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idt thats what i meant

mighty stump
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The irony.

bold geode
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So much irony I could take the wrinkles out my shirt

mighty stump
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I quit

molten oasis
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again?

craggy dagger
mighty stump
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Not retiring

molten oasis
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i mean i get it

mighty stump
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I’m just going to wait lol

craggy dagger
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usually i’m the bridge between actual vgc players and niche vgc players-

bold geode
molten oasis
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you're having fun tho right?

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like id hope you're having fun with the niche stuff you use nova

chrome knot
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im back and my thoughts are @craggy dagger cooked you all

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okay gn

bold geode
mighty stump
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I’m honestly not going to engage in this channel anymore unless I see emma/dillon/other players I respect

rustic mountain
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tofu never talkin to me again PES2_SadGeRain

molten oasis
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fair

bold geode
dull haven
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Tree umbreonwave

rustic mountain
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hey khuja

spiral ridge
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Heya khuja

bold geode
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Hello again Khuja

dull haven
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Hello lol

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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lmao

graceful flare
spiral ridge
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Haven’t done 8

craggy dagger
gentle cragBOT
graceful flare
chrome knot
spiral ridge
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Oh actually I should change my name-
Doing another backlog with vgc same time

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Done

mighty stump
molten oasis
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lmao

craggy dagger
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what does jugulis run though-
i’ve got cheer tailwind earth power-
air slash i guess?
or draco?

rustic mountain
graceful flare
bold geode
molten oasis
graceful flare
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If I'm annoying u it's fine

spiral ridge
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What? No I beat the game

craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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I change my name to whatever game I’m on huh

dull haven
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I'm just here to try to keep the peace to a point lol

craggy dagger
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why not air cutter smile1

mighty stump
bold geode
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I ran Snarl/Air Slash/Tailwind/Protect with variations of Rain Dance and Hurricane on rain teams

molten oasis
mighty stump
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Which sounds incredibly arrogant

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But I literally just want to talk good mons and learn and I learn absolutely nothing being here most of the time and it sucks

rustic mountain
dull haven
rustic mountain
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it makes sense tho i see ur point

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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i wish i was more innovative as a teambuilder maybe wed be more on the same level

craggy dagger
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i think profile deco is usable regardless of whether you have nitro or not-

rustic mountain
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but alas

craggy dagger
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if not then i’m screwed-

mighty stump
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I signed up for three leagues and I’ve already have had more engaging perspectives than “insert shitty fluke anecdote here”

spiral ridge
craggy dagger
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15$ on deco and it just disappears

rustic mountain
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team leagues are awesome man i hope they go well for u

craggy dagger
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i lied 20$

mighty stump
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I don’t even need people to be of the same level but to actually have a conversation is actually a difficult skill because of terrible delivery or something

rustic mountain
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i think here no slight to anyone. a lot of ppl dont actually wanna improve, they wanna "improve" their way and only their way nd dont care to really accept anything else thatd actually make them a better player

mighty stump
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or someone is going be butthurt over the internet

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Currently the result of this channel is

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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  • Multiple people who are hypocrites towards non-regulars
  • Randoms who either have to have the IQ and reading comprehension of a crumbling brick wall
  • actually good players who don’t actually talk here because they have far better places to be
bold geode
mighty stump
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Literally ever other server

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Has sound arguments

molten oasis
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im here just, cuz i dont have other places

mighty stump
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That have good logic

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and a level of objectivity

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That I can just respect

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Even if I disagree it’s never because they’re outright wrong, it’s simply a different perspective

rustic mountain
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yea i think here for some reason b/c of server size and what not theres a lot of ppl that are really more casual that i dont think have accepted that fact. those other servers are prolly specifically geared towards vgc and as a result have a different playerbase in the comp scene that flock to it

mighty stump
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Meanwhile here all I see is “haha funny casual thing that isn’t actually competitive but the casual playerbase is too fucking dim for it to be considered casual so that’s why it’s here”

rustic mountain
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yea

molten oasis
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fs

mighty stump
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We have a million other channels for everything else

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Maybe there just isn’t a point to have a competitive section in a casual server anymore

rustic mountain
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i feel like even if there were seperate channels created, filtering those would be an issue if ppl lack the self awareness i mentioned before to even realize they are a casual

mighty stump
#

people straight up cannot fucking read

rustic mountain
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no like fr

molten oasis
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cough

rustic mountain
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i make the joke to say the line but its actually tru, literacy is dead

mighty stump
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we have fucking dimwits in reports every other day because they cannot read or are just straight up racist/sexist/whateverist

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then we have the dimwits that are too dumb to even do something bannable

bold geode
# mighty stump That I can just respect

Oh yeah like literally arguments where here you'd have people lashing at each other's throats
It's like in other server they're drinking wine with PowerPoint presentations lmao

mighty stump
#

If you fail to consider the majority argument/evidence then you do not understand what you are doing

rustic mountain
#

lack of understanding really leads to a lot. if ppl cared to learn the meta/the basics a lot of ppl wouldnt take things so personally. theyd jus know wat the game is and even if u disagree ud actually have grounds to disagree on outside of ur own ego

bold geode
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Not even teambuilding, just literally everything lol

molten oasis
#

yea, people dont have that patience to actually learn and improve

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they just want it to happen

rustic mountain
#

its a steep learning curve tbh but at some point ppl gta ask urself wat they r going for. i dont mind people being casual, jus dont act like ur not and put urself in spaces/conversations u really dont have a clue on

summer shore
#

Hi friends

mighty stump
#

I am confident that players far better than me will still be willing to discuss things with me because my insight is just worth considering due to sound logic not because I wave my unimportant rank around

molten oasis
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hi shiro hru

mighty stump
chrome knot
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hai shiro friend

summer shore
mighty stump
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SG

summer shore
mighty stump
#

New chapter

summer shore
mighty stump
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UK was bust

molten oasis
#

nice, you confident on how you did?

rustic mountain
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said have not had

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would imagine didnt happen yet

mighty stump
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I was about to say

summer shore
mighty stump
summer shore
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My exam is in just under 3 hours

mighty stump
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So

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Can’t complain really

summer shore
mighty stump
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Paid for my flight and two weeks at a nice hotel too while I find a perma place

rustic mountain
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gl dude

molten oasis
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im part of the problem cough

summer shore
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Ooh thats nice

molten oasis
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well good luck

summer shore
#

It should be fine the stakes are not very high

mighty stump
gentle cragBOT
mighty stump
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Lmao

summer shore
#

All I need to keep my entry to med school is a 5gpa

mighty stump
#

Ill probably be playing quite a few matches from my hotel room

rustic mountain
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hahah u got a full schedule atm

mighty stump
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and doing prep

molten oasis
#

can you compete in SG?

mighty stump
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I can and I will

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SG Nats exists

molten oasis
#

thats so hype

rustic mountain
#

inb4 tofu worlds invite next szn

mighty stump
#

I have the opportunity to fail and I cannot wait

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Failing means I can learn more

rustic mountain
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hell yea

mighty stump
#

Which means I’m going to lose less

molten oasis
#

thats exciting

bold geode
molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

dude i saw a tweet earlier from someone talking bout tangs missed op and ruination nd he was like nah i shouldve pollen puffed spouted, its my fault not recognizing the correct play there and i thought that was so fire

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also p sure u said that was the move in real time tofu

mighty stump
bold geode
molten oasis
#

(if the stupid jokes are too much i'll stop)

bold geode
bold geode
mighty stump
bold geode
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I know you're joking so

rustic mountain
summer shore
#

Oh hello moonkey

bold geode
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Hello @summer shore

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Long time no see

summer shore
#

I have been busy

mighty stump
#

One thing Yotam told me that sticks with me is that you can only grow so much without stakes

bold geode
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Heard

mighty stump
#

I’ve been trying to force growth in an environment not built for it

bold geode
mighty stump
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Cause I had no other choice

summer shore
#

Tofu I had a panic attack a few days ago for the dumbest reason

rustic mountain
mighty stump
#

So

molten oasis
#

im gonna try to go to locals and play in more tournaments

rustic mountain
#

but yea w/o stakes/real challenge u cant really gauge the mountaintop

bold geode
molten oasis
#

tournaments are fun

mighty stump
#

Trauma yada yada

bold geode
#

Oh

summer shore
#

One text bro...

#

Im cooked

rustic mountain
mighty stump
# bold geode Oh

Intense lack of physical/emotional stability without any sort of control leads to a lot of regular scenarios I have disproportionate reactions to

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Since I forcefully moved a lot

mighty stump
rustic mountain
#

trauma is tough and the body doesnt forget

mighty stump
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Can’t do much with it

rustic mountain
#

yea im generally the same

mighty stump
#

Prep sets with people running real teams is way more better

rustic mountain
#

not always mindless but still its bo1

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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I just grew up

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It sucks

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Its life

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We have things that weigh the balance in your favour too

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I don’t mean this for more aggravating issues

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but “grow up” is pretty valid

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Obv you can’t just grow up out of a lot of issues/traumas

rustic mountain
#

thats y wen ive heard stuff from like youm that he was like 1300s on ladder and was getting high placements i found it funny cuz it really shows a difference from how the game is played/valued from bo3 sets amongst great players vs bo1 ladder vs mostly randos

mighty stump
#

But sometimes you kinda have to

mighty stump
#

Being able to speak to your practice opponent and refine your lines is such a fun feeling

summer shore
rustic mountain
#

yea i think grow up is a bit general but it has merit. you do really just gotta push thru sometimes and just figure it out but there is also resources (hopefully) you are able to use that help u better manage the trauma

mighty stump
#

I guess maybe less of grow up

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but push through

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suck it up

rustic mountain
#

nah i knew wat u meant

mighty stump
#

You can either make it suck less later or suck the same forever

rustic mountain
#

p much yea

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nd unfortunately a lot of ppl lack the patience

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

maybe my practice for NAIC shouldn't have been mostly bo1 lol

rustic mountain
#

i mean idt bo1 is inherently bad, quite a few players are ladder warriors that do well in bo3

molten oasis
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as its clear (and made it more clear when i spammed HH mold breaker ogerpon and tera steel specs dengo for 15 games today) that its bad lol

mighty stump
rustic mountain
#

i jus think its not the best for every1 and a lot of those players are the exception rather then whats commonplace

mighty stump
#

I think Bo1 has value in how you react/recover to unexpected situations and also train you on how to scout information and identify neutral plays a lot better since you have lower error margins

#

Quality of matches overall are also lower but I’ve seen wakc shit up there in bo3 ladder too

rustic mountain
#

yea

molten oasis
#

found uh, i forgot, shit hold on

mighty stump
#

you can definitely fluke your way up the ladder though, in bo1

bold geode
molten oasis
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man, i dont remember but i saw some weird ass shit when i was sitting in the terminal

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

so is bo3 ladder better to grind on?

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well, id assume so, so nvm

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just based on the past conversation lol

rustic mountain
#

yea bo1 is weird, like it kinda depends on the player and how they understand the game and if they have resources outside of it they also use. i think theres very few players that do well that are strictly bo1. atleast in the west

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ik japan has a different circuit and they dont do sd as much but they are still just better then every1 else generally

molten oasis
#

ah

mighty stump
#

At the base the fundamental understanding is all the same though

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It’s an exercise

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The more you intentionally do with proper technique the better you get

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The better habits you build the more beneficial your play

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the more understanding you build the better your knowledge is and how you process and apply said knowledge is also important

molten oasis
#

ic, so bo3 would be better for testing stuff out, like fresh teams and such?

rustic mountain
#

id say the opposite

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bo1 to get a feel, then if it feels solid try it for bo3

molten oasis
#

ok thats what i tend to do

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although, i should be doing bo3 more in general

rustic mountain
#

nd mind games that arent as definitive b/c u never truly know wat ur opponent is running in bo1, u jus make educated guesses on wat they are likely to be

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well unless ur doing ots bo1 on sd haha

mighty stump
#

Playing the player, gauging their level

rustic mountain
#

yea exactly

mighty stump
#

I actually think Bo1 OTS is silly

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LOL

rustic mountain
#

i dont ever really click yes lol

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i think it was b4 bo3 ladder was a thing so it made sense then

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now im not so sure. it doesnt seem terrible to do bo1 ots if ur eventually gna practice bo3 just to see if it holds up even for that

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im curious to see if ots will extend passed sv

molten oasis
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i hope it does

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well, yea thanks for the input

#

nice to get other perspectives on stuff

bold geode
craggy dagger
#

i have no clue what i’m doingggg

Iron Jugulis @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 204 HP / 68 Def / 60 SpA / 44 SpD / 132 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dragon Cheer
  • Tailwind
  • Snarl
  • Air Slash
molten oasis
craggy dagger
#

idk i’ll calc them soon
im a bit busy

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placeholders for now RobinGiggle

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of like what looks good atm

#

seeing as i’m running this next to mirai idt i need booster

next stump
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Is your booster energy being used already? Or is this a miraidon team?

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ah okay makes sense

craggy dagger
molten oasis
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i think its a miraidon team

craggy dagger
#

flutter booster, mirai

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though maybe flutter, chi yu, jugulis, miraidon is a bit overkill

limber marsh
#

OK so I'm wanting to build a new team. The main thing I want to do is run gyarados. I'm biased and like the pokemon, but also like how it plays. Unfortunately he doesn't fit on my koraidon team. My two ideas to pair with him are myraidon, to act as bulky support with him, and I can swap in a lighting rod pokemon to make gyarados a lot harder to kill, while also buffing the lighting rod pokemon with the electric terrain. The other idea is to run him as support on a rain team. I still like the idea of running a lightning rod pokemon, and give it volt switch to also enable palaphin transformations

next stump
#

the issue with running lighting rod on a miraidon team is i’m 99% sure you suck up your own miraidon’s attacks

molten oasis
#

you do

next stump
#

so you’re stuck in a position where you can’t have them ever next to eachother

limber marsh
#

Oof OK so I shouldn't do that lol

#

I mean I could hope positioning works out, but if it happens that they're in play as my last two I'd basically just lose I think

next stump
#

Kyogre with Raichu sees some play right now

#

you could slot Gyarados onto that kinda team

limber marsh
#

Yeah I like the sound of that

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Now I'm not committed one way or another. I usually run support gyarados with thunder wave and stuff. But I've never tried dragon dance gyarados, is it worth it?

next stump
#

I don’t think it’s worth it in this powerful of a meta

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even with one dragon dance up, you’re outsped by some pokemon and you’re not threatening much for a KO

limber marsh
#

Makes sense

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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Waterfall
  • Thunder Wave
  • Protect
  • Taunt
#

This is my current gyarados set up, I don't remember if I calced those evs or if they are just placeholders

#

Not sure if I would prefer leftovers or rocky helmet, but I didn't super like running life orb on him

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However one thing I have tried and actually liked a lot was tera blast tera flying to one shot the grass threats

#

Not sure how well that works without life orb but still

#

Is raichu the only lighting rod pokemon with volt switch?

cyan smelt
#

Pachirisu has volt absorb and follow me

limber marsh
#

Hmm.. that's Definitely good, but I think Lightning rod will fit better since gyarados won't be doing a bunch of damage to justify a follow me

craggy dagger
bold geode
#

Bruh that tiny little hike wore my ass out kekhands

chrome knot
#

@craggy dagger ur dinner om om om

pallid lance
#

I got that ursaluna, and it's one of the coolest pokémon I've ever seen and the blood moon attack is awesome. I'm trying to look up tactics with is, but is trick room tactics super popular? I feel like I'm falling into a cliche with it

rustic mountain
#

funnily enough its most commonly used on miraidon teams

foggy lodge
#

I stopped being lazy and got to master in console ladder

rustic mountain
#

some ppl have used it on calyrex ice rider teams

pallid lance
#

Caly ice looks cool, except for the fact caly is there

rustic mountain
#

alex underhill jus got top 16 at naic w/ a cir team w/ bm ursa

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also has electabuzz on the team which is pretty cool

#

basically support cir and bm to get under tr and just start going crazy

#

smeargle decorate is a cool tech to boost em up

limber marsh
#

Is it worth trying to make palafin work on a rain team with volt switch raichu? Or should I just run urahifu?

foggy lodge
#

Just run Urshifu

little plank
bold geode
craggy dagger
cyan smelt
#

Miraidon teams and tr teams are hard to play against

little plank
#

The finish was insane lmao

limber marsh
#

Anyone have good tornadus evs? I'm running him on a rain team if that matters

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Covert Cloak, but not set on a tera type yet

#

Might just go tera steel

cyan smelt
#

Tera dark to block taunt

limber marsh
#

Ah that's fair

foggy lodge
#

This is what i've been using and it has worked for me, it's made to survive some things like Astral Barrage and Thunderclap

limber marsh
#

Sweet, would you say it's better to run protect over taunt?

craggy dagger
#

depends

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Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 124 HP / 116 Def / 44 SpA / 36 SpD / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Taunt
  • Tailwind
  • Rain Dance
  • Bleakwind Storm
forest arrow
#

you want speed if you run taunt

foggy lodge
#

Yeah it depends

limber marsh
#

Fair enough

foggy lodge
#

But i run protect because i have taunt on my Urshifu

limber marsh
#

I've got amoongus to run Spore, and I've got thunder wave on my gyarados

foggy lodge
#

Some pokemon can shut down the taunt, like Farigiraf or Indeedee

craggy dagger
limber marsh
#

I'll try without for now, and see if I end up really needing Taunt in my arsenal

foggy lodge
#

I feel like taunt is a move you want in 95% of teams, but yeah, test if you need it or not

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But i recommend you to run taunt on Gyarados

limber marsh
#

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 172 HP / 140 Atk / 116 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

  • Waterfall
  • Thunder Wave
  • Protect
  • Hurricane
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Here's my gyarados atm

forest arrow
#

Yeah if you have support gyarados you want taunt

foggy lodge
#

Ah damn

forest arrow
#

hurricane is special

foggy lodge
#

Yeah replace hurricane with taunt

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Or if you really want the flying stab tera blast flying

limber marsh
#

No good even on a rain team?

foggy lodge
#

Nope

limber marsh
#

I do like tera blast flying for sure

forest arrow
#

no gya worst stat is spa at 60

limber marsh
#

Og shut right its special

#

I completely forgot it's a special attack lol, I'm dumb

forest arrow
#

tera flying blast works

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 130: Gyarados
Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Intimidate, Moxie (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/125/79/60/100/81

Total

540

Other Formes

Gyarados-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
foggy lodge
#

Ehhh

forest arrow
#

60

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not good

foggy lodge
#

I think you can run sitrus on Gyarados¿

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Not sure, but atleast the few Gyarados i see run sitrus

forest arrow
#

yeah sitrus over lefties

limber marsh
#

Fair I'll try that

#

Should I run two status moves with thunder wave and Taunt, or two attack moves with tera blast and waterfall? I was planning on going a more support role since I have kyogre and urahifu to sweep with

forest arrow
#

If you run tera blast flying id run taunt torn, but support gya usually runs taunt

foggy lodge
#

Both can be good

#

You only lack of protect if you run something like waterfall, tera blast, taunt and twave

limber marsh
#

It's true that I'm running Lightning rod raichu, so I could play high risk high reward and just not run protect, since he's bulky and I can hopefully Negate his 4x weakness

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Aight here it is, anyone wanna play some games?

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Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Water Spout
  • Thunder
  • Surf
  • Ice Beam

Raichu @ Assault Vest
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 124 HP / 132 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

  • Electroweb
  • Volt Switch
  • Fake Out
  • Volt Tackle

Gyarados @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 172 HP / 140 Atk / 116 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

  • Waterfall
  • Thunder Wave
  • Tera Blast
  • Taunt

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 236 HP / 92 Def / 68 SpA / 84 SpD / 28 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Taunt
  • Bleakwind Storm
  • Rain Dance
  • Tailwind

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 84 HP / 172 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Spore
  • Protect
  • Rage Powder
  • Pollen Puff

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • U-turn
  • Detect
  • Close Combat
  • Surging Strikes
#

Oh wait, ima swap Torn back to protect

little plank
bold geode
little plank
#

I almost never used incin or rilla lol

limber marsh
#

This was satisfying lol, basically exactly what I hoped for this to do

spiral ridge
#

finally starting vgc from novas pestering and hit rank 9 23-19 wr.
i was 23-16 then some gimmick teams fucked me 😭 , moody alolan muk. though i think i can take care of it next time?

#

i really gotta learn speeds and shit then i do wanna try some team stuff

cyan smelt
#

Taunt the muk

spiral ridge
#

no taunt on my team but yeah, other plan was i was running a kyogre team so hurricane and thunder in rain so minimize wont get me

#

i just didnt know it was gonna happen so didnt think it through at all

charred saddle
#

pog

charred saddle
foggy lodge
# bold geode

I don't want to be the guy at the left but damn 7 teams of the top 8 had Urshifu

#

Still this meta has been way more varied than what i expected

forest arrow
#

bear

craggy dagger
craggy dagger
cyan smelt
#

Better than me lol

spiral ridge
#

im just gonan repeat it like a parrot in the future

craggy dagger
#

well it’s good that you know thunder isn’t gonna miss bc rain

#

even with evasion boosts

spiral ridge
#

kris had to remind me of this like 4 times

#

same with hurricane

#

i go blank under timer pressure lmao

balmy glen
#

@mighty stump I’m trying to find random niche pokemon, how is your snorlax doing

craggy dagger
#

oh hurricane also works?

spiral ridge
#

yup

#

thats why the start of iron jugulis and kyogre is good

craggy dagger
#

jugulis kyogre-
wha

spiral ridge
#

two very strong moves 100% accuracy and potential tailwind

craggy dagger
#

booster jugulis?

spiral ridge
#

its been a fun team

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rustic mountain
balmy glen
spiral ridge
#

if anything id swap wo chien and grimmsnarl but much more so wo chien

rustic mountain
craggy dagger
#

oh the one i called infestation wo chien

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

ive only found like 1 good use case for wo chien and even then it didnt too much

rustic mountain
craggy dagger
rustic mountain
#

lmfao

spiral ridge
#

lmao

rustic mountain
#

wild stuff

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

did it beat you? poliwhirlkek

bold geode
#

They gave us Smeargle Muk

craggy dagger
#

then spirit break into my mirai for the ohko KEKWCRY

rustic mountain
#

smeargle muk is atrocious

spiral ridge
#

IT ISSSSS

balmy glen
spiral ridge
#

CAN CONFIRM FUCK THAT TEAM

craggy dagger
#

skill issue-
just heat crash kekhands

bold geode
#

Yeah
Which is why we kill off Smeargle even more

spiral ridge
#

no it wants you to kill smeargle

bold geode
craggy dagger
#

fair

spiral ridge
#

wait do you mean normal or alolan?

balmy glen
#

This chat makes me want to run smeargle Calyrex

rustic mountain
#

lmao

craggy dagger
#

smeargle muk players (no offense) (sike i really mean it) can go to hell

rustic mountain
#

u still cooking ur koraidon team keanu

balmy glen
#

I need to decide who I’m building with for worlds first

rustic mountain
#

gotcha

balmy glen
#

Might build with Riley but idk

rustic mountain
#

riley factura?

balmy glen
#

yeah

rustic mountain
#

damn nice

balmy glen
#

He’s a good buddy of mine

rustic mountain
#

dude is like #1 in na rn haha

#

id prolly build w/ him if i had the chance. also depends if yall are jiving w/ the same ish

balmy glen
#

He only likes 100% acc moves so the cooking is limited but not limited but I enjoy it

rustic mountain
#

haha i dont blame him

balmy glen
#

I have 2 months as well so

rustic mountain
#

yea def got some time

spiral ridge
#

goodluck man

balmy glen
#

I’ll be enjoying my last hs summer, working out, working out my mons too

#

Hanging out etc lmaoooo

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

enjoy it dude

#

fr

balmy glen
bold geode
#

Lmao

balmy glen
#

I almost lost a set to double missing twice electro web with my raging bolt

foggy lodge
rustic mountain
#

damn

bold geode
#

The most risky move I run on my current WIP is High Horsepower tbf
Actually no Ruination but how

dapper crag
#
Move: Ruination

Deals damage to the target equal to half of its current HP, rounded down, but not less than 1 HP.

Type

Dark

Category

Special

Power

0

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
rustic mountain
#

one of my teams is heat wave bleakwind and meteor beam, it can be pain

spiral ridge
#

my last like 3 kyogre vs kyogre games they thunder me and i get parad turn 1 😭 been a bitch to play around

bold geode
#

Ah 90 ain't bad for me, but I usually only click Ruination in certain situations

spiral ridge
#

some really annoying luck

balmy glen
#

I have so much options to ask

#

I even have goat Suica to ask

bold geode
#

So technically off of that, High Horsepower, which 95% hasn't fucked me over too much yet (definitely jinxing myself now)

rustic mountain
#

id def limit sub 100 moves for an irl tour

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

def not trynna add on ways i can lose lmao

balmy glen
#

Well, just graduated at least

#

Aurelien Soula and I both skipped graduation to go to NAIC lmaoooo

bold geode
# balmy glen Yes

Oh just graduated okay nice

  1. Congratulations on that
  2. I'm sorry if I said some sus shit around you kekhands
#

Based lmao

rustic mountain
#

u always say sus shit

balmy glen
#

dw abt it there’s some based/sus people in irl vgc tours so it’s wtvr

#

Riley for instance

bold geode
#

Wait what
Riley says sus shit?

balmy glen
#

No filter on that man, one of the funniest people you’ll ever meet

rustic mountain
#

he doesnt strike me as that haha

#

interesting

bold geode
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Oh I love people with no filter
Best people ever

balmy glen
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Yeah you’d have to get to know him

rustic mountain
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yea

balmy glen
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Tbh there’s prob a lot of people yall see on stream and think they act a certain way but are mad funny/interesting/etc in person

bold geode
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Oh yeah

rustic mountain
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nerves/being on stream prolly has em acting different haha

bold geode
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One person who kinda seems 1:1 though imo is Ugartes

rustic mountain
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some ppl also just like u said u gta get to know/warm up to b4 they show u themselves

balmy glen
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Joe is chill

bold geode
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Oh he is

balmy glen
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Prob is the closest player that acts same on stream

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I had dinner with a lot of them after NAIC

bold geode
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I've talked to him thru twitch chat B4 and he seems chill

spiral ridge
balmy glen
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A lot of the EU people were really nice

bold geode
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He's chill
Except for when he was in Portland lmao

bold geode
spiral ridge
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Love you too

bold geode
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And I don't say it DIRECTLY to you

spiral ridge
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Sureee

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That love confession meant nothing I see

balmy glen
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Really enjoyed getting to know Eduardo Cunha and his teammate Francisco at dinner

bold geode
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Oh Edu's play actually kinda scares me at points lol
Dude will basically throw you up against a wall with his plays
Dude knows how to pressure

balmy glen
bold geode
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Lol

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I remember I got hella Twitter farming and actually got on Wolfe's Instagram for posting a pic of him at Orlando under the desk

charred saddle
bold geode
balmy glen
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Oh right I was going to join cloverbells on a video on that

bold geode
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I'm still wanting to know ALL the sauce on that lol besides like typing synergy

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Oh shit pog

molten oasis
chrome knot
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mario kart wii

bold geode
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Like that's the thing that interests me the most about that team tbh
Latios lol

chrome knot
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@balmy glen would you play me in mario kart if i brought a wii to the regional

bold geode
balmy glen
chrome knot
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yay

bold geode
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I fuck with that Mario Kart
That had the wheel right?

chrome knot
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itd be funny af no worry

molten oasis
balmy glen
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Hit me up anytime at a tour haha

chrome knot
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bet lmfao

bold geode
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Oh I loved that
Only played it a few times, but I loved it every one of those times

balmy glen
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Only time I would say no is if I’m like going to the bathroom or getting food/water

chrome knot
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are you going to toronto?

balmy glen
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Or trying to go meet with someone

chrome knot
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assuming they have another one there

balmy glen
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I have family in Toronto so I would prob go

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Filipino nation

charred saddle
rustic mountain
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its been making rounds since atleast LA

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also

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u mustve not played in swsh

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that was like the urshifu item

charred saddle
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oh damn

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and ye i didnt play swsh haha

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i started vgc reg E SV

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only watched swsh

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didnt like get deep into it

marble grail
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Heya, anyone can shed some light on spa lucario?

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I've been using physical luca for years mostly in every game (I never got timid lmao) so I just got a solid looking timid riolu

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If anyone can give suggestions, here's what I'm currently gonna use on him

Nasty plot, dark pulse, flash cannon

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Thinking if I should go with aura sphere or better move

rustic mountain
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lucario wen its been viable is usually physical. idt its been too good tho especially the last cppl gens. riolu had a bit of play in swsh cuz u could max guard (was trick room) and copycat to get it up t1 but other then that nd i think wen it had a mega it was used a bit

marble grail
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Damn I yap a lot

rustic mountain
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if ur talkin for singles, cant help u there

marble grail
marble grail
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Always down for more knowledge

rustic mountain
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i think for vgc atm it doesnt really have a place

marble grail
rustic mountain
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w/ restricteds now i dont see how it carves its niche

marble grail
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Could work as a sweeper outside vgc?

rustic mountain
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i think in like series a or b u could prolly justify it but the power level has gotten so much higher

marble grail
rustic mountain
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idk i dont play singles, prolly more a chance then vgc tho if i were to guess especially cuz of smogon formats and tiers

marble grail
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Outspeed everything+priority like vacuum wave sounds fair

rustic mountain
marble grail
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Hmm

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Seems like ada lucario still somewhere up there on top then

rustic mountain
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?

marble grail
rustic mountain
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idk what ada lucario is

marble grail
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My physical luca has always been adamant

marble grail
rustic mountain
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yea i mean adamant is a way to go, nd inner focus generally to avoid fake out and intimidate

marble grail
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Yep

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I'll just use this timid lucario for fun in non competitive then

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Anyway thanks m8, appreciate it @rustic mountain

gentle cragBOT
rustic mountain
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np

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if u do wanna try something w/ it that is comp based id try seeing where its at in smogon tiers for singles nd go from there

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unfortunately like i mentioned idk singles much but from wat i remember some mons can run mixed sets or switch it up tho im not sure lucario is one of those

dire sandal
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can anyone tell me why sinistcha used rage powder and a tera rillaboom still went for my urshifu

craggy dagger
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tera grass rilla?

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can’t see ppl running goggles rilla

dire sandal
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ooh ok thank you

graceful flare
cyan smelt
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i'm tempted to try out weezing caly

finite smelt
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I love Rampardos and I really want to mess around with him in a trick room team especialyl because of the 165 base attack (even though all his other stats are pretty bad) I don't know a lot about VGC or the meta so I was curious what other people thought. Could there theoretically be some way to force rampardos to work or can the meta easily shut him down

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 409: Rampardos
Type

Rock

Abilities

Mold Breaker, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/165/60/65/50/58

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
cyan smelt
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What about lorb sets?

mighty stump
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Yeah thats probably your offensive set

finite smelt
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What does Av and CB stand for >

mighty stump
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97/50 isnt terrible for AV

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Assault Vest and Choice Band

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Sheer Force Life Orb is probably better

finite smelt
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ah okay

mighty stump
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But I was thinking about funny head smash

finite smelt
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The move set I had put together was life orb sheer force and picked my moves based on that

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Thunderbolt rock slide blizzard fire blast

mighty stump
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Rock Slide + big nuke button is probably required

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Oh

finite smelt
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But I also don't know the meta game so I am kinda guessing and just playing with it

mighty stump
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Oh those are all SpA moves

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So it won’t actually be using your Atk stat

finite smelt
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LOL I didn't even think of that ....

mighty stump
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Except Rock Slide

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For a team, i’d probably just use a variant of the current CIR archetype

cyan smelt
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Only bad thing is rampardos has limited rock moves to take advantage of its type

finite smelt
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What's a CIR ?

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So if I used hammer arm that lowers user spd by 1 but have sheer force does it not lower my spd ?

cyan smelt
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Lorb boosts damage but you don't take recoil with life orb

mighty stump
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Rampardos @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature

  • Rock Slide
  • Head Smash
  • Protect
  • Crunch
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I also recommend reading the beginners stuffs in the pins

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Particularly VGCguide

finite smelt
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I have been reading it just a lot at once, wanted to try my hand at it too figured the best way to learn is to just play.

mighty stump
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There is truth to that, but it's also a good idea to get your footing first since the knowledge check is the biggest hurdle

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Playing comes naturally after

finite smelt
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I will keep that in my, tomorrow I will sit down and read all of it to better understand what’s going on. If it’s suppose to be a timeless article I’m assuming it doesn’t talk about the meta. One thing I’ve been stuck on is how to make a team to play around the meta if I don’t know the meta without playing.

mighty stump
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It doesn't, the basics are the most important part. Fully understanding the fundamentals of VGC will let you play in any meta, which arguably is timeless in itself. For meta stuff, I have some written articles around what standard teams look like

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My profile has a link to my blog and it has everything there

cyan smelt
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speaking of fossils, how's bastiodon as a wide guard user? resists draining kiss and glacial lance

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oh but hhp would be a big problem

mighty stump
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and/or CC

cyan smelt
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that too

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even drain punch

graceful flare
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I was just trying to find a tm but found something even better

dapper crag
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Pokémon No. 652: Chesnaught
Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Bulletproof (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/107/122/74/75/64

Total

530

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dull ibex
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hello vc anyone?

autumn vault
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no

next stump
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good morning