Clear amulet rilla is kinda awesome
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
cyan smelt
I wish my team was good but it's ass
cyan smelt
I've tried ting lu and chi yu in the last slot but it hasn't really been good so I'm about to try chien Pao, I struggle with tr and miraidon the most
molten oasis
Paste?
Ting Lu doesn’t exactly solve miraidon since you have to deal with whims and hands or incin
cyan smelt
https://pokepast.es/28ce62bb4f62430f idk what I'm doing with the EVs also ting lu should be chi yu
shut schooner
All you see in ranked is calirex ogerpon tornadus urshifu flutter mane every other team sometimes several in a row have these 5 kinda sad ngl
cyan smelt
Yeah and ting lu nerfs half my team
cyan smelt
I think that Zama needs more sp def
mighty stump
You can consider Wide Guard again
cyan smelt
Yeah I think I might need it
molten oasis
Don’t have to run iron defense, I think
shut schooner
Crasy how easy it is to missclick on decorate I'm already facing 4 legendarys at least make it so it can only be used on allys
little plank
Yeah that video that was posted above my comment the indeedee used follow me and the urshifu was stil able to coach the caly I
next stump
Crasy how easy it is to missclick on decorate I'm already facing 4 legendarys at...
I used decorate in probably 100 ranked games a couple months ago and never misclicked, just take an extra second to check who you’re targeting
cyan smelt
Just need to watch out for fake out
forest arrow
I used decorate in probably 100 ranked games a couple months ago and never miscl...
Hey whats 81 speed for again on Caly if you dont mind me asking?
cyan smelt
I've seen ape or mienshao use coaching on caly I because of no flinch
molten oasis
Neat
little plank
Crasy how easy it is to missclick on decorate I'm already facing 4 legendarys at...
Because there's a reason to use it on the enemy lol you can decorate an enemy then foul play. Them for insane damage lol
next stump
it was mostly to outspeed bulky terapagos and most rillabooms after an electroweb
and some incin naturally
mighty stump
Yeah I think I might need it
I also think maybe Regidrago aint it anymore
cyan smelt
Should I switch to bolt?
bold geode
If I add chien Pao I won't need id
Nuh Uh (depends entirely on preference)
molten oasis
Should I switch to bolt?
Nothing wrong with using the Mini restricted
little plank
I actually got beat by a 0 iv 0 speed regidrago earlier was like what the heck
forest arrow
and some incin naturally
good info thank you im just running no speed invest adamant so was just curious
gentle cragBOT
good info thank you im just running no speed invest adamant so was just curious
throwdatahh has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
mighty stump
I think the value it provides is outweighed by the constraints it has to work into
molten oasis
Ic
cyan smelt
At least I'm figuring out what's not working before I built this team on cart
molten oasis
80 speed is also kind of a curse
cyan smelt
I'm gonna try bolt and chien pao
mighty stump
Bolt/Shifu is a good combo
little plank
I really want to try a zama team but no idea how to even play it.
And all of the ones I play have to play unconventional with my unaware dozo lol
bold geode
I really want to try a zama team but no idea how to even play it.
Depends entirely on set sometimes, but usually it's kinda Protect the King or going for big damage
At least that's how I used it
shut schooner
I used decorate in probably 100 ranked games a couple months ago and never miscl...
Ya it's stupid it starts on their side should start on the only mon it can target on your side their begging you to missclick and after 30 matches with the only pokemon you see in ranked you make mistakes lol
mighty stump
Idk how to explain further
bold geode
Dozo is also a rough MU for Zamazenta anyways so
mighty stump
You either just set up or for the non variants, have it be opener/closer
molten oasis
Bolt shifu rilla feels really strong imo
little plank
Yea I have like a 90% win rate vs zamazenta lol
cyan smelt
Monke why did I get you confused with Scotty lol
mighty stump
Yea
forest arrow
Bolt shifu rilla feels really strong imo
indeed
bold geode
Like Balance
Yeah it's balance essentially any way you use it
There's a good amount of MUs that even when Zamazenta goes down, you should be able to clean up
molten oasis
Great balance archetype
bold geode
Monke why did I get you confused with Scotty lol
Idk lol
cyan smelt
Your name sounds like one of Scotty's names
molten oasis
Oh, I can call you stupid even more now that you’re feeding into it
mighty stump
I bought canned black coffee and nowhere on the label did it mention sugar and my morning is ruined
cyan smelt
I'll try urshifu and bolt instead
molten oasis
(This is towards monke)
shut schooner
Around the 20th calirex and ogre pon follow me user your eyes start tearing up from frustration because you know you gotta do this just right if your gonna win and one slip up it's done but I put the stress on myself I should use legendaries and wouldn't have this issue
molten oasis
Honestly man, idt you can ever go wrong with rapid strike rn
It’s so good even with the presence of bolt
cyan smelt
Rapid strike is great
mighty stump
Yeah pretty much
shut schooner
It goes crasy
bold geode
Your name sounds like one of Scotty's names
Oh no it's a play off a couple of the mods names lol
molten oasis
I need a water type, ah yes urshifu
little plank
Urshifu is way to good honestly
mighty stump
All of its counters are more skillchecks than anything
bold geode
It still fits 
molten oasis
Mhmm
shut schooner
And like some days my RNG is just terrible and my opponents just have no bad RNG it feels like
little plank
He should be a restricted imo
molten oasis
If shifu was bulkier sure
mighty stump
Bring Zamazenta back so I can have my winrate skyrocket again
shut schooner
That's just luck
little plank
His ability Is insane lol
mighty stump
Curse snorlax goated tech
Dude even I am still genuinely surprised at how consistent it was performing for the intended MU
Every time im like “haha no way”
little plank
Oh I got hardcore outplayed just now by weezing lmao
mighty stump
I’ve also now converted the set
molten oasis
Oo
mighty stump
Its just a coverage shift
bold geode
Bring Zamazenta back so I can have my winrate skyrocket again
I will figure out a way 
mighty stump
Crunch + Heavy Slam
Thought about Crest’s suggestion the other day a while back
Its better into CSR
molten oasis
ah, is it for flutter and ghosts or smth?
mighty stump
CSR
little plank
Opponent opened indeedee and calyrex s, I'm like cool I swapped my clefairy in for rillaboom to change the terrain while he swapped in weezing and hit expanding force
bold geode
Its better into CSR
True
Meanwhile I got the dumbest shit for the Calys
shut schooner
Is this trash its built around support from grim and allcreme I'm gonna change Meta but don't know what to
mighty stump
Opponent opened indeedee and calyrex s, I'm like cool I swapped my clefairy in f...
Switch order is such an underrated thing to know when playing out your turns
bold geode
Is this trash its built around support from grim and allcreme I'm gonna change M...
Yes it's dogwater tbh if it's VGC
mighty stump
I’m just still happy Snorlax got to Top 20 on SD
little plank
Switch order is such an underrated thing to know when playing out your turns
I mean honestly there was really nothing I could do once that weezing came into play lol I couldn't get rid of the psychic terrain
mighty stump
Yea
bold geode
I don't like using legends
Hehe have fun with that then
It gonna be rough AF
molten oasis
I’m just still happy Snorlax got to Top 20 on SD
oh, was it your team or someone else?
bold geode
Even the dogshit Reg G teams of today use a restricted
mighty stump
I think Weezing/Caly is a direction ill be exploring
mighty stump
oh, was it your team or someone else?
Me lol
molten oasis
cool, just making sure lol
shut schooner
Hehe have fun with that then
It gonna be rough AF
Is it dogshit knowing I don't use legends lol
molten oasis
I think Weezing/Caly is a direction ill be exploring
interesting
i forgot as one isnt affected by the gas
little plank
I don't like using legends
You're really going to be in trouble when they allow two legends at once.
mighty stump
I have a team drafted just never actually tested it
mighty stump
Even the dogshit Reg G teams of today use a restricted
Judging by the messages
molten oasis
someone kept saying weezing zac is a thing you could do to prevent intimdate
mighty stump
I’m gonna assume theres another anti-legend spammer
shut schooner
Hehe have fun with that then
It gonna be rough AF
I have been for awhile when it comes together it's exciting but that's only like a third of the time
little plank
someone kept saying weezing zac is a thing you could do to prevent intimdate
That's smart for sure.
bold geode
Dogshit in general too, but like idek how to fix it
shut schooner
Explain
bold geode
I’m gonna assume theres another anti-legend spammer
Ye
molten oasis
That's smart for sure.
well in the process you dont get your attack boost
shut schooner
Looking for advice and criticism not just one
little plank
well in the process you dont get your attack boost
Well that's also not good lol
molten oasis
so you have to get zacian on the field with its attack boost without getting intimidated
plus that doesnt stop parting shot, so idk
mighty stump
Fast Taunt Incin still annoying for Weezing too
bold geode
Half to 2/3 of the team is ass, the team has no cohesion whatsoever, no restricted as I said, I ain't even gonna go on
molten oasis
i feel shifu is a more consistent way to handle it
little plank
I'm thinking maybe indeedee caly s incin caly weezing regigigas? Lol
molten oasis
yea, weezing dont do shit when its taunted
bold geode
Yall have fun with that
Ain't gonna be for long if I do
shut schooner
Half to 2/3 of the team is ass, the team has no cohesion whatsoever, no restrict...
What 2/3 also their alot of cohesion it's built around screens and decorate
It's a doubles team
bold geode
Sigh
shut schooner
Forgot to say
molten oasis
the thing im playing bo1 ladder with is zac+standard peli shifu things
bold geode
The only cohesion there is is me and a button I'm pressing
molten oasis
walled by wide guard sucks
mighty stump
Ain't gonna be for long if I do
A good internet skill is to realise which users are worth engaging with
molten oasis
lol
shut schooner
The only cohesion there is is me and a button I'm pressing
Just asking for advice your still only giving unexplained criticisms why aren't they cohesiveness what 2/3rds are trash
mighty stump
1 blocked message is a lot more bearable than the alternatives
bold geode
Oh yeah I gained that skill now lmao
molten oasis
not that i have a place to speak but still funny
mighty stump
Honestly with Zacian
Its either you use it the same way as Zama and have it break the openers to be able to clean up later
Or have it be clean up with set up
mighty stump
You either need a way to outpace Fake Out + Intim cycles or not play into it
molten oasis
oh right, i go into boxes to see the 6 clefs lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
No Mist
molten oasis
L
mighty stump
L
molten oasis
suicune exists ig
bold geode
Lmao yes
Do the Mist Zacian shit
mighty stump
What, that Mist Suicine team?
molten oasis
yes lol
molten oasis
yes, i should indeed
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/aea642bf0896e403 Tang inspired
cyan smelt
Milotic learns mist
mighty stump
Yeah Zac-Milotic doesn’t sound half bad. I miss Jellicent
molten oasis
hmm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
I just think anything that’s still open to FO isn’t ever gonna play into Incin perfectly
molten oasis
yea thats fair
could run cloak, potentially
probably mist scald icy wind or life dew and protect
helping hand
damn fat ass movepool
tera dragon zac with dragon cheer
cyan smelt
I suggested that to you lmao
bold geode
Nah lmao
molten oasis
oh yea i think it sucks lol
cyan smelt
Yep probably
molten oasis
just looking for something niche to run with zac
although zac could be considered that on its own
mighty stump
It knows Water Spout
molten oasis
thats cool
mighty stump
Cloak needs to be used more
Lol
For like random options
Teal Mask Ogerpon also works for Zacian methinks
molten oasis
gapdos could as well
mighty stump
Gapdos knows Coaching
molten oasis
love how the zacian niche thing has to be anti incin lol
cyan smelt
What does defiant superpower do to incin
next stump
https://x.com/ccollectorsot/status/1800331377537065186?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
In case anyone from the states wants to see a breakdown of a full season
Twitter
little plank
mighty stump
+1 252 Atk Ogerpon Superpower vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 206-244 (103 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO
mighty stump
https://x.com/ccollectorsot/status/1800331377537065186?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszO...
Damn
molten oasis
Zapdos-Galar @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
- Thunderous Kick
- Brave Bird
- Coaching
- Detect
mighty stump
6.5k
molten oasis
Zapdos-Galar @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
-...
feels like worse scarf shifu atm ngl
just since my set runs coaching
mighty stump
I like Teal Mask since you get redirection against Spore and can outspeed Scarfshifu at a moment’s notice
Lol
molten oasis
oh, yea true
and i can run shifu on said team
for, coaching
eh
idk
the pretty much good stuffs team i got feels so consistent rn so, might not need to do niche stuff unless i get super bored
mighty stump
I dunno what to build to be honest
molten oasis
hmm
mighty stump
Nothing really shouts out to me
molten oasis
same here tbh
might just play to improve and enjoy the game
oh, I could mess with lando t maybe
mighty stump
Like
Considering things like CIR/CSR
That’s basically two modes that play polar opposite to each other
Up front offence in a team is key since setup is the name of the game
I still think HOPagos is correct as a team form
mighty stump
Well
I think Miraidon is the most open to that
Important things to be able to resist are the obvious Ice/Ghost/Electric coverage
molten oasis
mhmm
i think maybe sun stuff could also find something eventually
although i think koraidon is just harder to pilot in general
https://pokepast.es/9f7749ed4a3c8611 btw this is just what im running rn
standard, but it works well
mighty stump
Tera Ground Kingambit
mighty stump
although i think koraidon is just harder to pilot in general
I think the only set members are Bolt and Chi-Yu
That’s my experience
molten oasis
yea
shut schooner
standard, but it works well
Definitely standard but deadly
molten oasis
flutter seems kinda, like good ofc, but its just like fine rn
mighty stump
Not bad, just mot necessary
molten oasis
idk where it's really at personally
shut schooner
flutter seems kinda, like good ofc, but its just like fine rn
Flutter main can sweep easily but get walled or killed just as easy I feel that
molten oasis
not that ive cared i consistently play the other fairies
last reg i played prima for a month
molten oasis
Flutter main can sweep easily but get walled or killed just as easy I feel that
well flutter seems to be taking a supportive role rn
mighty stump
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 143-168 (69 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is foul
shut schooner
My Kommo-o is tera poison and I usually bait a fairy move with it while I tera poison jab wich can kill it if I'm decorated or got a clangorus soul up
molten oasis
oh damn thats just, yeesh
shut schooner
My Kommo-o is tera poison and I usually bait a fairy move with it while I tera p...
Even tho it's neutral
mighty stump
Can you go check the EV bumps for Kingambit on the Atk
molten oasis
yea
shut schooner
Poison jab also helps with ogre pon and the rare breloom
cyan smelt
Is kingambit washed? I feel like I don't see it anymore
mighty stump
Its ok
molten oasis
36, 116, 188
shut schooner
Also is a flying Terror type good on Swampert with Terra Blast
shut schooner
That's what I use and I like it
craggy dagger
shut schooner
I'm down
molten oasis
lets see it
shut schooner
2 outta 3 or what
molten oasis
av?
molten oasis
what item you gonna try then?
mighty stump
Cloak/Goggles
molten oasis
ah, that makes sense
mighty stump
Im less inclined for Cloak but yea
shut schooner
I just thought of a crazy Strat I used it for goldengo But it would work on Cali Rex Grim snarl you can imprison nasty plot you can also set up screens with him that'll be all four moves and so no attacking moves but oh well
Definitely not crazy
molten oasis
what restricted would you take, well ig CSR if clef
mighty stump
Potential to open into ClefCaly
molten oasis
or CIR since it benefits from tr
mighty stump
Unsure on Restricted choice
molten oasis
could be decent with lunala maybe
mighty stump
Lunala feels very eh
molten oasis
miraidon maybe, discharge spam
mighty stump
Playing it out in my head CSR seems correct
But if I run CSR i don’t really care about Incin and stuff
molten oasis
but CSR seems correct
warped mason
i love iron jugulis's dex entry 
mighty stump
Don’t even need Kjngambit since it’s not solving any MUs
That the current variations solve
molten oasis
CIR?
mighty stump
mm
molten oasis
id say zac but idk how starting with double steel works
mighty stump
Yeah but you’re not helping anything with Kingambit
mighty stump
CIR Dozo actually sounds gross though
mighty stump
Theoretically
I’ve addressed everything barring Miraidon
Well
No
Miraidon too
Tera Ground Clef
Mm
molten oasis
bolt also decent into miraidon ig
mighty stump
Dozogiri obviously beats Zama
molten oasis
CSR, shifu and dozo maybe
mighty stump
CSR’s advantage as a SpAtker kinda gross since you don’t care about Intim
molten oasis
indeed
mighty stump
Playing it out in my head it’s not great
I don’t see the necessity
I guess Dozo also adds against the mirror
Im wondering about Covert Cloak Tera Grass Urshifu but I’m not feeling the Flying-weak overlap
Goggles isn’t taken so that’s fine but overall there is 0 Amoonguss switch in
Taunt Urshifu would probably be the main path forward unless it’s gonna be a Tera-Grass Bolt/Goggles Bolt
Kyogre MU seems kinda meh
strange fjord
https://pokepast.es/3400420b1fcdd4dc
So you see this team which MU do you think it struggles with most? Trying to flush out the team a bit more.
mighty stump
TornOgre once you lose Pelipper
CSR is still pretty open
CIR is also Pelipper reliant
strange fjord
TornOgre once you lose Pelipper
actually true.
mighty stump
Suica specific HOPagos variant
strange fjord
had pelipper for koraidon MUs
onyx crown
If you went against this during one of your battles, how annoyed would you be
mighty stump
0
Lol
It has no moves that can actually use its bulk
You just ignore it and kill the rest of the teammates
One Taunt and its over
onyx crown
I just wanted something for singles that's like super annoying
Sure as hell never gonna use it
mighty stump
A wall that doesn’t do damage is just a punching bag/set-up fodder
You’ll probably just have the opposite effect and make your opponent happy they’re gonna get to +6 for free
onyx crown
And then they'll have to wait for ages to KO it cuz rest is funny
mighty stump
You have 5 Rests, 8 at most, 2 of those turns spent doing nothing
onyx crown
And +6 defense to counter the +6 attack of whatever tries setting up
onyx crown
Again, not like it's actually gonna do anything. Just messing around with funny ideas
Kinda like how I'm messing around with a Bellsprout
mighty stump
And +6 defense to counter the +6 attack of whatever tries setting up
That just cancels out lol, so you’re taking standard damage plus the 4% crit chance will just decimate you too
onyx crown
96% chance to take normal damage. Sounds pretty good to me.
forest arrow
Wouldnt a crit actually do more since both +6?
mighty stump
Wouldnt a crit actually do more since both +6?
Yep
forest arrow
thought so
mighty stump
4% fish for OHKO potential over a wide number of turns with 0 risk seems like a very good trade off for me
forest arrow
Then once they KO registeel, its kind of free to sweep since youre talking singles
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
forest arrow
Not bad tech
cyan smelt
Yeah I've seen cotton spore whimsicott, pretty interesting
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010
i love that
Chien Pao just being a cat
mighty stump
Leopard
foggy lodge
A Big cat
molten oasis
yea, snow leopard
craggy dagger
me clicking sacred sword
craggy dagger
important news guess whatsies
you’ve finished your first day of being 20-
chrome knot
yah i did but that not ittttt
mighty stump
How does it feel to be older
chrome knot
no different
most i did today was get my bloodwork done
in hopes i can get stronger boobie pills
mighty stump
I am perfectly satisfied with my partner lmao
chrome knot
i meant bc you specifically dont have them
patent marsh
I am perfectly satisfied with my partner lmao
strange fjord
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
patent marsh
https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-turo-gif-25988548
yoinked
strange fjord
the cycle of yoink has continued
mighty stump
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2141106873-bqqgzfx64y8gefvpcf2kcb92a31cgjrpw pretty good example why Wide Guard can pin you
cyan smelt
That's why I've been so hesitant to put it on zamazenta but I think I need it
mighty stump
Just be aware of the options you have and what positions you ideally want to avoid when having to click Wide Guard
Like that dude did not need to Tera Flutter Mane lol
Shadow Ball from Booster Spe Flutter never KOs Flutter even on SE
cyan smelt
He should have preserved tera for koraidon
pallid lance
What's better competitively even if they aren't popular. Ursaluna, or blood moon ursaluna?
They're different forms, right? Like different evolution paths? Kinda Lycanroc style?
cyan smelt
Ursaring can't evolve into blood moon ursaluna and I'd say blood moon is better
mighty stump
Well
It depends lol
Blood Moon does have that spread move advantage and it';s more difficult to mitigate SpA damage
Regular Ursaluna has anti-Spore and Facade basically one shots things
cyan smelt
Bm ursaluna can work in tr and tw
mighty stump
both can
cyan smelt
Don't think I've ever seen regular ursaluna on tw
mighty stump
They also have differing stats. Regular Ursaluna is also bulkier and has a higher offensive stat
pallid lance
I'd still like to go blood moon for style points I think
Is it better with atk, or Satk? It looks like it'd be regular atk 😂
mighty stump
Nope, SpA.
pallid lance
Someone was saying in a video "if you want it to have zero IV's in atk to avoid confusion damage, you can do such and such to get it low as possible when resetting it"
Oh so it is a SpA and I guess regular ursaluna is atk then? It's like a mirror of it sorta?
mighty stump
It's not particularly important. Spe is the stat you'll be looking at.
pallid lance
Gotcha. I still have to catch mine, I was just doing the checkup if I can shiny hunt it, which is weird you can't. I guess they're reserving those shiny for events
mighty stump
You can find standard moves/items on Munchstats/Pokestats.
pallid lance
I can't hunt it for size though, right? I couldn't find an answer to that part online
patent marsh
I can't hunt it for size though, right? I couldn't find an answer to that part o...
Bloodmoon?
pallid lance
Yeah
pallid lance
Gotcha ty. Sorry to spill all the questions on the wrong channel. That's the last thing I needed to find out.
patent marsh
Though I don't think it matters much cause the Atk and Speed IV is what matters more depending on what you're using it for
patent marsh
Gotcha ty. Sorry to spill all the questions on the wrong channel. That's the las...
I mean you're asking since you're hunting it for VGC right? 
pallid lance
I'm hunting is to just have 1 then consider it in pvp when I figure out how it works
patent marsh
You should
Figure it out first
Cause blood moon is also a good trick room sweeper
You dunno if you want 0 speed on it or not
pallid lance
I was always planning to catch it, so I'm trying to catch it right first. I'm not doing it for the sake of pvp, but I want a strong version regardless
patent marsh
So better make team n test on showdown before hunting it
patent marsh
I was always planning to catch it, so I'm trying to catch it right first. I'm no...
Ah
pallid lance
My team I like using uses trick room. I probably do want 0 speed
patent marsh
pallid lance
I feel stupid though I never caught pokémon and thought "what if I want their stats low as possible in blah blah blah"
pallid lance
Okay good
I think I have that anyways
I tested my old school team versus a friend in singles earlier. I won 😮 it was pretty good I'd say. I went easy on him a little
Is 1 mon with trick room okay in doubles? You don't think you want 2 with it just in case?
mighty stump
Depends. for Calyrex-Ice teams it's one.
I recommend reading VGCguide to also get started if doubles.
And other resources in the pins.
pallid lance
Kk ty
cyan smelt
Sometimes I've seen indeedee and caly ice on tr comps
dull ibex
hello
pallid lance
I thought indeedee was kinda popular-ish?
I've seen at least two occasions of it being used from random videos, but I don't know how competitive it was.
cyan smelt
Indeedee is still good yeah, one of two mons that can override miraidon's E terrain
pallid lance
I think the only one I know of that can do that is like... well no tidy up wouldn't get rid of that, you need clear sky ability for e terrain ooor... somethin. I got a lot to learn
cyan smelt
Nothing cancels terrain except neutralising gas or ice spinner or terapagos stellar form
pallid lance
Oh alright then
cyan smelt
Air lock and cloud nine cancels weather
mighty stump
Nothing cancels terrain except neutralising gas or ice spinner or terapagos stel...
Or other Terrain
Since NGas doesn’t overwrite Terrains, only prevents activation
cyan smelt
True
willow vault
Hello
charred saddle
Brian hands
cyan smelt
bo3 is a struggle
molten oasis
It’s Brian hands’ comeback
forest arrow
We love Brian Hands
cyan smelt
i can't beat caly shadow teams
mighty stump
Do you have any replays
cyan smelt
i haven't been saving them
mighty stump
Save ur next set
cyan smelt
are you kidding i lost to a draco miss
mighty stump
Unfortunate
cyan smelt
won the set anyway
misty helm
should I run solar beam on ninetales or energy ball so it's not totally screwed if the drought fades
next stump
i don’t think you really have the room to put on a grass type move
you want heat wave or overheat (or both), will-o-wisp, helping hand, protect
autumn vault
i can't beat caly shadow teams
My teams eat CSR teams for breakfast
A small skill issue if you ask me
Not meaning to be rude but come on, thats quite simple to beat
next stump
@mighty stump did you sign up for OPL season 3
cyan smelt
all my teams are garbage
craggy dagger
so are mine-
🤝
autumn vault
Hello Nova
bold geode
Unfortunate
Hey Tofu
autumn vault
Hey Monke
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> did you sign up for OPL season 3
Opal League?
next stump
ye
mighty stump
Im in the Inkay Games and the Spear Pillar Region Rumble and im considering it
Why whats up
chrome knot
Opal League?
what dat
next stump
I signed up for some summer practice
autumn vault
Tf are you
Your dad
graceful flare
I signed up for some summer practice
You mean like pokemon vgc practice?
mighty stump
@next stump I think ill sign up LOL idk how the logistics of being on 3 running events will go but here we go
next stump
You mean like pokemon vgc practice?
yes
chrome knot
i feel like
vgc experience is where ill get fucked in the sign up
uhm i dont have much since this is my debut season so i will not look appealing
upbeat quail
I swear my clefairy sings hit more often than my wide Len boosted sleep powders
mighty stump
vgc experience is where ill get fucked in the sign up
Emma
mighty stump
Where do you think I stand in that scenario
rustic mountain
vgc experience is where ill get fucked in the sign up
i wouldnt let it deter u, ive done a few seasons in a team league before with essentially no results
chrome knot
Where do you think I stand in that scenario
oh true
mighty stump
I got drafted during NPAArcadia cause im friends w Nino/Himmy lol
rustic mountain
a lot of players that sign up dont neccessarily have the big results, a lot of the big names dont even play them and if they do, a team has to spend a lot just to get 1 let alone more then that
rustic mountain
yea
molten oasis
https://x.com/devoncorppress/status/1800343597038121145?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37...
What’s this?
mighty stump
What’s this?
Another team league
mighty stump
Yeah probably ill sign up tonight when im home
graceful flare
Is choice specs calyrex good
molten oasis
Yeah probably ill sign up tonight when im home
Nice, good luck with that
mighty stump
I’m pretty non-scout-able so it will be fun
timber falcon
Oh yeah money
graceful flare
There's no regional in Ireland man
mighty stump
Accessibility is non-existent for me
graceful flare
But I'm going to Australia later this month are there regional there
mighty stump
My country is banned from the circuit so we don’t even have locas
Far before I even joined VGC
rustic mountain
timber falcon
My country is banned from the circuit so we don’t even have locas
How come
mighty stump
Long story
But basically Indonesia just did not behave well. Less about the players, mroe about the vendors
TPC was not pleased with it
rustic mountain
damn
mighty stump
Also we’re under a different company
molten oasis
That explains it
timber falcon
Unfortunate
graceful flare
Should I run miraidon without wide guard iron valiant
mighty stump
So it’s pretty much why I envy anyone who can compete and to cherish the privilege
Time differences also make it uncomfortable to compete in most online tours
I either wake up at 6 am or I stay up til 5 am
timber falcon
Ah ok so that’s it
mighty stump
So I do what I can on ladder and in random events when I have the time
timber falcon
Always wondered why I never heard much of you participating in stuff like that
mighty stump
Cause i can’t
timber falcon
Yep
mighty stump
At most I just help prep
and it’s pretty minimal since everyone has a network to refer to
It’s why I’m very grateful I’m friends with Yotam
rustic mountain
Should I run miraidon without wide guard iron valiant
any miraidon team thats had any success does not run wide guard valiant
so thats ur answer
ppl have added iron hands on the most recent iteration but other then that any other quark drive mon seems like synergy bait
next stump
https://pokepast.es/7978e125f3326ef7
definitely not saying it's easy to use, but a friend of mine has day 2'd all 3 Reg G tourneys (Indy, LA, NAIC) with these exact 6
molten oasis
interesting, i fought a similar team at NAIC but idt they did very well
rustic mountain
impressive tbh, dude is cracked with the team tho id say its an outlier
molten oasis
fs
rustic mountain
cool atleast seeing like jugulis do well but that wasnt even a miraidon team 
chrome knot
@mighty stump wanna see my drawing...
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> wanna see my drawing...
Yes
chrome knot
rustic mountain
cyan smelt
Well at least I made it back above 1200 elo in bo3
chrome knot
its for extra credit and it sounded kinda fun
cyan smelt
I think I need to go back and really study vgcguide
chrome knot
https://pokepast.es/7978e125f3326ef7
definitely not saying it's easy to use, bu...
https://pokepast.es/4b56a7df53c34ae0
this similar as well but with screens support instead
rustic mountain
I think I need to go back and really study vgcguide
never bad to review things
cyan smelt
I need to try and understand teambuilding
warped mason
Just hit master ball for the 1st time in a single restricted format 
cyan smelt
Grats
cyan smelt
I can imagine that hurricane hurts
chrome knot
oki i all signed up
mighty stump
o t hats pretty well done
warped mason
Oh yeah, koraidon won the hong kong regionals
Nice that both box arts won a regional
cyan smelt
Miraidon is really hard to play against
warped mason
In koraidon teams?
molten oasis
no just in general id assume
warped mason
Oh for sure
cyan smelt
Yeah in general
warped mason
Had to beat one for my rank up
I won because the terrain ran out as he brought in miraidon and av tera grass whale doesn't take damage
molten oasis
i have a decent mu into miraidon stuff, zacian outspeeds and ohkos it pretty consistently and i also have rilla
cyan smelt
I have rilla but Zama is slower
cyan smelt
Is that iron hands with ice punch
molten oasis
they run ice punch or heavy slam
wild charge and DP are musts, although CC is nice on clear amulet variants
rustic mountain
i like burns running volt switch over a 3rd coverage move
molten oasis
Yea, slow pivot good
rustic mountain
molten oasis
Idt hands needs to run coversge rn
rustic mountain
idt u do but i can understand it depending on the team
molten oasis
Wild charge ohkos flutter so you don’t need heavy slam (with terrain) and lando i isn’t super common rn
But also if you feel weak to them then the option is there
As you said, team dependent
Although I really do like hands on miraidon teams, just feels natural
rustic mountain
double ground weakness not mattering cuz theres like no relevant ground types atm outside bm ursa which ironically are on miraidon teams
ig tera too helps w/ that
hobbit did get lando i to top 8 so theres that too
mighty stump
Ice Punch Hands also based
molten oasis
Think I’m gonna spend today getting the legendaries finally
earnest spindle
Hello everyone.
autumn vault
Hello Spry
molten oasis
Pfff love how this guys just like “yea, I’ve met all these legendaries as a young lad. I’m just that guy”
earnest spindle
How is everyone?
autumn vault
double ground weakness not mattering cuz theres like no relevant ground types at...
Ting Lu on teams with barely any SpA attackers, norma ursaluna on TR, Landorus on Rain teams
autumn vault
How is everyone?
Doing great thanks for asking
gentle cragBOT
Doing great thanks for asking
lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to sprycello821867
autumn vault
What about you?
earnest spindle
Well, I'm kinda lonely cause I'm trying to find someone to shiny hunt with, but so far I've only got a guy who is on his way to a doctor's appointment, but I'll still keep looking.
forest arrow
although, itll be difficult
It likes torn fs
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
graceful flare
A9 is kinda meh rn
Incin mogs it
molten oasis
That’s not why
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
You’re competing with kyogre and koraidon for weather, although freeze dry is nice for peli
molten oasis
0 SpA Ninetales-Alola Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Pelipper: 180-216 (107.7 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO like that’s nice and all
I mean, in theory a9 could not run veil although idk why you wouldn’t
Problem with Kyurem is trying to build a team that isn’t too heavy on support
chrome knot
pelipper is not a threat…. jusr click moon blast into it
warped mason
I think kyurem white can answer kyogre generally. Probably want to put in answers to koraidon.
charred saddle
@mighty stump hey bro. another bansos
molten oasis
Idt kyurem is great but like, it’s got nice stats it’s getting a team comp that works being the issue
charred saddle
mighty stump
Ngakak
molten oasis
It’s like, I can go torn a9 Kyurem at first and go from there
Not like rocks are common enough to worry about
Except cornerstone
graceful flare
Am I allowed to make a team without a pokepastw
charred saddle
i mean from what i experience, i dont really like tailwind kyurem, either i go full bulk + TR mode or just tank and hit
charred saddle
since like if u wanna go tailwind, --> u need speed investment and dropping more bulk which i dont really want and even like setting up TW, opposing side can just set TW and outpace you anyway
and even then, u cant even do blizzard
graceful flare
Am I allowed to make a team without a pokepastw
Please man i need an answer I don't play showdowm
charred saddle
since no snow, so youre forced to do other move
molten oasis
since no snow, so youre forced to do other move
Icy wind ig
Also think I’m gonna go av kyurem route, that+snow makes it very tanky, at least on paper
warped mason
It’s like, I can go torn a9 Kyurem at first and go from there
Maybe a9 torn? Just for prankster snow if they have weather control.
charred saddle
honestly the last time i click icy wind usually means im already in a bad spot
molten oasis
Fair
charred saddle
so i just go "fuck speed"
blizzard, EP, flare, freezedry
molten oasis
Maybe a9 torn? Just for prankster snow if they have weather control.
Well like, if I’m staring down tornshifu I’m clicking attacks
I can’t set up infront of that
And shifu can just click cc then op my restricted is gone
Snacksworth give me kubfu dammit
warped mason
I think thats more of a reason you need to setup veil no?
Ccs should hit like feathers under veil + snow
Assuming you're on max hp
molten oasis
If I bring a9 into tornshifu I cannot realistically click veil unless I just go for it and hope they didn’t click rain dance or taunt
warped mason
You could go prediction snow of your own
molten oasis
But also I just need to start looking at restricted mu’s before anything else
warped mason
I guess taunt does suck
molten oasis
With a9 Kyurem, then go from there
warped mason
You're probably on av kyurem right?
molten oasis
Yuh
warped mason
The main ones you probably worry about are koraidon zama and mirai tbh
molten oasis
Well, I might add dengo for the zama mu
Dengo appreciates screens
Then rilla would probably be fine for miraidon
Koraidon sun HO is pretty awful for snow tho, that’ll be tricky
warped mason
Think that's probably your worst mu
Difficult to find a mon that answers tera fire miraidon
For kyurem white
charred saddle
i think last time i went against zama, i just fusion flared + HH and it does quite nice
and i do fire tera and not fairy anyway
warped mason
True tera fire fusion bolt should work wonders
molten oasis
And ice rider
warped mason
U have coverage for both tera grass and water
charred saddle
its more that i hate CSR more
molten oasis
charred saddle
u do basically no damage and its very hard to stop calm mind
molten oasis
Nah I can’t really say incin solves CSR
warped mason
In that case tera normal gholdengo might not be bad
charred saddle
might be
molten oasis
especially CSR Clef
charred saddle
didnt try that before
warped mason
Or bloodmoon ursaluna
molten oasis
Fari Luna a9 Kyurem could be a thing
Last 2 mons would have to be offensive tho
Or just, Fari a9 Kyurem
Dengo
You mf gimme the kubfu treat already
warped mason
How would sash darkfu be here
warped mason
Ye but you probably want torn if ur on rapid strike
warped mason
I guess it covers tera fire miraidon
molten oasis
Who’s running that?
warped mason
You would tera fire and live tho
molten oasis
Ig
molten oasis
idk about that
warped mason
Idk either just throwing it out there
molten oasis
bundle just isnt very good imo
molten oasis
im gonna think about this while i go catch stuff ingame
jolly kyurem, very cool
modest resh tho thats nice
timber falcon
Catching the legendaries?
molten oasis
just kyurem and resh
im gonna try out snow for the day
although i do have all the treats
timber falcon
Oh yeah has kwhite just not been doing good
molten oasis
a lot of the partners it wants arent great and it doesn't put out the same pressue as the other guys do
molten oasis
having fun i see
molten oasis
oh good the gen 5 legendary theme comes with the swords of justice
mighty stump
Yep
molten oasis
very cool
little plank
Trying to change up my restricted basically have only used terapagos lol
And I am more of a setup player so figured zama was the next best option
mighty stump
With something as self-sufficient as Zama you can probably get creative with your Grimmsnarl sets
chrome knot
@mighty stump can you have 1 switch profile account be on 2 switches
mighty stump
No clue
molten oasis
like, you want to use your account on another switch? you can do that
little plank
I remember seeing someone post a showdown replay of them using zama and grimm at around 1700 elo or they just got 1700 lol wish I remembered who it was.
molten oasis
and have the account on a different switch at the same time
chrome knot
i want to be able to pkhex a save that i can then use back on my main switch :v
fair wraith
Yea
mighty stump
i want to be able to pkhex a save that i can then use back on my main switch :v
Emma you know we can't talk about that here '
fair wraith
That was a very underwhelming game
chrome knot
o
molten oasis
oops
fair wraith
It’s was like 3 turns
chrome knot
whoopsie daisy
little plank
How did you like grimm and zama?
mighty stump
:v
fair wraith
How did you like grimm and zama?
A lot
chrome knot
i wanna modify my game and be able to use it elsewhere
fair wraith
I wash initially running ting lu but I found grim to be better
T wave helps massively
Even on TR mons it comes in clutch
little plank
Do you have a pokepaste for that team?
fair wraith
Yea
little plank
really want to try it out lol
molten oasis
still need to hunt my own shiny atales
fair wraith
Let me try find it
fair wraith
really want to try it out lol
Zamas nature on there is a mistake switch it to impish
little plank
Alright awesome
got to 1680 with my dozo terapagos team and kinda tanked after that
so wanting to try something different
fair wraith
I peaked at like 1800 something and haven’t played in a bit
Realistically it doesn’t have an instant loss matchup against anything
Especially good into caly ice obv
And generally I just played better in zama mirrors
If not bring chien and peli/bolt
strange fjord
I peaked around 1700 a few weeks ago before i stopped and my elo had a slow decay. i think teams that dont have an instant loss against any restricted have a solid chance in climbing high
little plank
I peaked at like 1800 something and haven’t played in a bit
I almost never lost to zama with my team as unaware dozo just walls it.
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> based song
Lmao thanks
gentle cragBOT
Lmao thanks
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fair wraith
I almost never lost to zama with my team as unaware dozo just walls it.
I mean, it’s Tera dependant but zama will also wall it, and sash chien pao allows for an easy chip
You can get a solid 3 or 4 turns out of sword
And pelipper also coming in with rocky helmet damage
They’re not easy matches to win you just have to play smart
little plank
I was body press dozo so at x4 defense would just 1 shot zama no matter how many boosts he had
I guess if he was fairy or ghost id be in big trouble though lol
fair wraith
See, there’s an opportunity to be read
You could protect w zama
And attack w chien and maybe they read a switch and you tera the chien
A load of free damage off rip
And if always bring both my special attackers in if I could
With dozo typically struggling against fairy bolt
little plank
oh yeah bolt was nasty
especially non AV bolts was rough
as they could just fire off dracos lol and there -2 spatk wouldnt matter
But yeah about to head to work ill make your team on showdown later and do a ton of games, and probably make it on cart as well as it obviously has potential.
fair wraith
But yeah about to head to work ill make your team on showdown later and do a ton...
I think currently it fits very well into the meta
With a rise in caly ice which it should realistically beat 100% of the time
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/20fca4c5ede6d0c3 gonna give this a shot first
fair wraith
https://pokepast.es/20fca4c5ede6d0c3 gonna give this a shot first
Would you not just prefer leftys on gold
And moxie boosted is definitely right about the fact Kyurem white teams could just run torn w snowscape
molten oasis
metal coat gets bigger damage output and i have rilla
idt i need lefties atm
and also, generally wasn't feeling torn
the other time i tried this stuff out
i have 2 avs lol
rilla gonna be CA
the first thing i run into would be sun lol
fair wraith
rilla gonna be CA
If you’re going for damage output why not go banded
And I mean, you’re nasty plot so the metal coat isn’t really getting you any extra kills here
molten oasis
2hko'ing some incin is kinda nice
i won my first match
although kyurem just, died
expected flare blitz and he clicked collision course
fair wraith
Why would it flare blitz
molten oasis
a9 was on the field
molten oasis
...a9 was on the field
then i switched in kyurem
where a9 was, and was expecting it to click blitz into a9
fair wraith
It would’ve taken significant damage either way
fair wraith
It’s Koraidon
molten oasis
im not explaining this well clearly so there ya go
fair wraith
It has attack coming out its hoop
molten oasis
i didn't know what to do
mighty stump
Or be brought tbh
fair wraith
i didn't know what to do
How do you plan on beating zama btw
molten oasis
dengo
charred saddle
yk drago, im more into thinking chiyu is nice for kyurem
thorn trout
Explosion
mighty stump
If you've identified a win-con then you're going to obviously play around it
If you decide to Tera Gholdengo in a Zama MU that's basically just bad piloting
charred saddle
good zama stuff + beads for kyurem
mighty stump
And if it gets removed then you just didn't prep enough or you failed to pilot it properly
fair wraith
Just saying, the rest of the team isn’t exactly a fan of zama
What if it does too much damage before you remove it
Because after a plot it won’t be one shot
mighty stump
252+ SpA Turboblaze Tera-Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 162-192 (81.4 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
yk drago, im more into thinking chiyu is nice for kyurem
idk how i feel about nerfing the spD on the av guy personally
charred saddle
last time i did tera fire flare + HH tho 
charred saddle
idk how i feel about nerfing the spD on the av guy personally
i mean its still tanky, + with veil up its still something
fair wraith
252+ SpA Turboblaze Tera-Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Za...
That’s assuming the zama doesn’t tera, or has redirect , or hasn’t got any damage negation
charred saddle
and also i just dk how i feel about the spread
fair wraith
And also that you let it be hit
molten oasis
icy wind stuff
fair wraith
And it’s still a two shot
molten oasis
i outspeed the 205's
fair wraith
If you Tera out of the Steel resist Dengo free
I mean why would they not just body press
It just by far the better option over heavy slam or bash
molten oasis
cloak cm terapagos im fucked lol
charred saddle
this is what i do (note that i changed tera quite often to see which works)
fair wraith
For Kyurem at least
charred saddle
supposed to be fire
molten oasis
and double para, fun
mighty stump
Tera Fire just means you also get 2HKO'd while common Zama teras like Grass are still weak to to Fusion Flare, Dragon/Water weak to Blizzard/Freeze Dry respectively, and Ghost gets tapped by a boosted Shadow Ball from Gholdengo. They als have very clear access to Helping Hand which pressures Tera/Switch/Protect on Zama
molten oasis
...this sucks lol
fair wraith
Tera Fire just means you also get 2HKO'd while common Zama teras like Grass are ...
Kinda just screwed if the zama has a redirect then
molten oasis
oh cool he threw
fair wraith
Especially if it’s something like celefairy in which you can’t just drop a dragon sized nuke on it
mighty stump
Clefairy: Weak to Dengo
Ogerpon-Wellspring: Weak to Freeze Dry
Clef/Zama on a field is so incredibly free for Gholdengo too
charred saddle
ghold can like safely set up in front of zama if the other partner are passive
no BP, steel resist
mighty stump
It's very much a well-known thing that Gholdengo is positive into Zama lol
molten oasis
next to pao assuming not throat chop im chilling
mighty stump
That you have to take care of it
fair wraith
All I’m saying is that I’ve never struggled against a Kyurem team as a zamazenta user and I find gholdengo fairly easy to remove
charred saddle
ok nice
molten oasis
cool, doesn't change the fact dengo is good into zama
mighty stump
Suit yourself
fair wraith
I will considering it got my quite high on the ladder
molten oasis
anyway im winning games cuz people are throwing lol, but i'll take it
charred saddle
oh btw heavy slam does get affected by intim right?
fair wraith
Yea
charred saddle
is it still heavy slam > Bbash?
fair wraith
I prefer it but sometimes you might like it
mighty stump
Yeah but how many times can you repeat that result lol. Consistency basically is the name of the game and I'm not personally satisfied until I've done it two/three times with the same team/restricted
Logic of using results would then dictate if I get a higher result it would overrule your opinion no?
fair wraith
Yeah but how many times can you repeat that result lol. Consistency basically is...
Got to the mid 1700s and 1600s with 3 accs
1600s where twice 1700s where once
*were
mighty stump
Okay, 1700s and 1800s 2 and 2 and I have 0 problem with Zamazenta especially when Gholdengo
GXEs were 70+/69 on one of the 1800s
fair wraith
Cool ig lol
molten oasis
a9 and wake are speed tied, that kinda sucks
warped mason
pain in a picture
molten oasis
dull ibex
vc?
timber falcon
pain in a picture
bold geode
All I’m saying is that I’ve never struggled against a Kyurem team as a zamazenta...
Gholdengo easy to remove as a Zama player? What you smokin
fair wraith
Gholdengo easy to remove as a Zama player? What you smokin
Not with zanazenta obviously
dull ibex
👀
molten oasis
sure im down
dull ibex
its up
graceful flare
Any good grass type wide guarder?
dapper crag
Hi guys
I'm into weird stuff
So I used to do mono electric in ou
Now I'm building another team for the current meta
fair wraith
Any good grass type wide guarder?
I mean, realistically the only somewhat usable one would be chesnaught
Tropius if you were really getting desperate
graceful flare
Wich one is better then
graceful flare
Mienshow?
warped mason
wo chien god
fair wraith
Wich one is better then
Chestnaught
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
bold geode
Not with zanazenta obviously
Anyways back to this since I'm curious now
What with
fair wraith
Anyways back to this since I'm curious now
What with
From my team it was either of my special attackers or chien pao
bold geode
Special attackers being