competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

lol

[bold geode]

People pronounce my name as Damon so LFG DAMON

[foggy lodge]

Gardevoir EX sandwich

[molten oasis]

Ah we watch juniors seniors and masters

That’s cool

[solid frigate]

Gardevoir moment

[molten oasis]

Lost zone box is better that simple

[mighty stump]

Juniors VGC is always hype tbh

[molten oasis]

Holy shit these guys are cooking

Oh, no the items were off

I was staring at life orb incin and electric seed lando for a minute LOL

[bold geode]

Yeah
Watching kids knowing they can kick my ass lol

[bold geode]

Hey
Let em cook

[rustic mountain]

fuck the official pokemon stream im watching cybertrons

[timber falcon]

Fr

I’m curious why lando Tera fairy is being used though

[bold geode]

Lmao
Fuck it, Aaron time

Wow, yeah Aaron analyzing shit is nice

[rustic mountain]

yea

no offense to the casters but its jus like average pov vs pro

[solid frigate]

Amoonguss Fucking dies

[bold geode]

Yeah
I mean technically the casters KNOW VGC, but yeah Aaron and like also when Wolfe said stuff
Just more experience in the game lol

[rustic mountain]

yea hence average

they know vgc but yea its not len, aaron or wolfey level

u immediately notice the difference wen one of them is next to one of the reg casters

[molten oasis]

Imma let y’all just talk cuz I’d spoil everything lol

Super fun match so far tho

[rustic mountain]

i gta head out anyway so ill catch the games later

[timber falcon]

these games go so fast

[molten oasis]

Very

[chrome knot]

kevin fucking dumpstered him

[molten oasis]

Wrong move, that’s game, you needed to earth power and hope for a crit, gg

Tbf that was so doomed anyway

I wonder

[timber falcon]

tr was still up

lando was done for there

[molten oasis]

No, last turn

The very last turn of the game

[timber falcon]

oh yeah ur ahead

[molten oasis]

Crap you guys are still behind sorry

Nvm it didn’t matter

[mighty stump]

I feel the gap between some juniors are pretty large

That was a good gmae

[molten oasis]

Yea

Super good game, really fun watch

[timber falcon]

kinda feel bad for damon, went 6 wins in a row only to lose the last one

[solid frigate]

yeah that Trick room already setted

Its over for Damon

[timber falcon]

if i can read correctly

[molten oasis]

Kevin played that really well

[timber falcon]

t1 play sealed it i think

that peli swap reading the discharge

[molten oasis]

He leveraged his bolt super well and that probably was the reason he won

[timber falcon]

wait is damon 4 yeard old?

[molten oasis]

Damn dude Kevin is insane

[mighty stump]

Kevin has a more developed frontal cortex I call hax

[molten oasis]

4 regionals and 2 internationals

[mighty stump]

[molten oasis]

LMAO, real

[solid frigate]

wait what-

[molten oasis]

That miraidon team looks fun tho

[timber falcon]

6 year age difference?

[molten oasis]

Think it hurt not having Bloodmoon tho

[timber falcon]

people on cybertron chat are saying that'

[molten oasis]

At least for that mu specifically

I bet it was great in his Swiss especially considering he went 6/0

[timber falcon]

oh yeah btw what does NAIC mean

[mighty stump]

North America International Championships

[forest arrow]

good grief

[mighty stump]

It's on the stream

[timber falcon]

oh

[molten oasis]

battle of the fucking horses

[mighty stump]

Bro

[forest arrow]

LITERACY IS DEAD

[molten oasis]

Please be interesting teams

TBF, seeing how they play is still fun

horse battles are just, not the greatest thing to watch

[forest arrow]

Seniors round

[molten oasis]

I need ti know, what’s happening right now on stream for you guys

[forest arrow]

comentators rn

[graceful flare]

I finally got shiny giraffe for my team

[molten oasis]

Lmk when it changes to a different screen

[timber falcon]

nice

[forest arrow]

okay

[graceful flare]

What ball do I catch it in

[timber falcon]

what do you have?

[graceful flare]

All balls

[molten oasis]

I put mine in a love ball

[graceful flare]

I don't use apri

[molten oasis]

I think

[timber falcon]

oh well if not apri i usually go premier/luxury

[graceful flare]

Ima do repeat ball

[molten oasis]

That works

[graceful flare]

Crit first try

[timber falcon]

whats the speed ivs?

[graceful flare]

Ni good

[timber falcon]

OH?

[molten oasis]

“What’s your specialty?” “spore”
“What’s your specialty?” “Glacial lance”

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/linokisser-gif-reaction-tiktok-alien-gif-21656547

[forest arrow]

lmaooo

[molten oasis]

I hate being ahead god dammit

[solid frigate]

Basically what Caly Ice Team be like

[forest arrow]

Theyre on stage for us rn

[timber falcon]

oh btw tell me if im being insensitive, but i havent actually seen a black guy on stream b4

[mighty stump]

What

Even is the relevance of that comment

LOL

[molten oasis]

That was, that was a comment or all time

[timber falcon]

eh just found it interesting

even got the same name as me

[forest arrow]

Bro i spit out my drink wtf- lol

[graceful flare]

Am I allowed to make team without poke paste

Rental

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mimikyu-happy-gif-24150595

[torn parrot]

Oh cool I get to watch children fight

[bold geode]

I'd buy these, but they'd get fucked up so quick

[molten oasis]

Aw hell yea booster energy calyrex

[torn parrot]

I bet these two kids are like so popular at their schools

[molten oasis]

You already know that’s just simply not true lol

[forest arrow]

we havent seen teams yet

[willow vault]

Very nice shoes

[graceful flare]

Real vgc players wear black air forced

[timber falcon]

why is it running spooky plate and not shadow tag?

[graceful flare]

And vapormax 2023

[mighty stump]

Shadow Tag

You mean Spell Tag

[molten oasis]

Ok well you failed to tell me when the screens switch so I can’t tell how long I have to wait to say anything

[foggy lodge]

choice scarf Inci let's fucking go

[mighty stump]

It does the same thing

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

what

[timber falcon]

WAIT THAT CALY IS ACTUALLY BOOSTER ENERGY?

[forest arrow]

I said they were on stage lol

[molten oasis]

Ok, I have to wait like 30 seconds

[torn parrot]

I’m watching the children duke it out at 2x speed

[forest arrow]

yeah i think were a good 30 secs to a minute behind you

[timber falcon]

oh it must be an error#

[balmy glen]

Sad

[foggy lodge]

Where are you watching the tournament guys?

[molten oasis]

It’s a hilarious error

[foggy lodge]

Twitch or youtube?

[molten oasis]

At the event

[torn parrot]

[timber falcon]

cybertron on yt

[dull haven]

I believe to post up a rental team you have to follow the rules in the pins on how you have to fill it out and post it

[molten oasis]

Oh-

[forest arrow]

Standard caly teams

[molten oasis]

T1 be like

[torn parrot]

I audibly screamed

[bold geode]

Fuck it, we buying em

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

why did caly swap in?

knowing tr was going to be set, i assumed moongus would be in

or does csr just tank the lance

bro that read

surely now its just a double protect

[molten oasis]

This is close

[smoky hawk]

I would've just flare blitz'd the ice rider before instead of parting shot

He switched into shadow rider a turn before TR was going to end

[timber falcon]

its ggs

[molten oasis]

ah, nvm lol

[molten oasis]

He doesn’t have it he has wisp

Right?

[timber falcon]

Joshua the goat

yeah he has wisp

[smoky hawk]

Oh that's why

[molten oasis]

Incins aren’t running blitz rn

[graceful flare]

Just a lil chip damage

[molten oasis]

That much

[torn parrot]

Just a little innocent crit from a 70 base power move on a pokemon that resists electric

[timber falcon]

man what a comeback, that read with the pollen puff was crazy

[smoky hawk]

I understand the value of knock off in this meta. But that doesn't mean blitz can't be run

[solid frigate]

Impostor got destroyed

[graceful flare]

What ev spread for non tr farig

[torn parrot]

MAX SPEED
MAX SPECIAL ATTACK
TIMID

[next stump]

one turn too passive as Caly-I against Caly-S and you’re screwed RIP

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[timber falcon]

no point of farig if you dont plan on any tr

[graceful flare]

To block priority

[timber falcon]

tsarena

[graceful flare]

And help miraidon

[solid frigate]

Tsareena is way better if you do not run TR

[timber falcon]

[solid frigate]

[graceful flare]

Trick room miraidom☠️

[timber falcon]

just listening

[torn parrot]

Mirommy

[graceful flare]

Ok then what abt blood mon tr with farig

[solid frigate]

If someone tailwind

[timber falcon]

[solid frigate]

tf

[willow vault]

Pair it with ursaluna Bloodmoon

[graceful flare]

O
What ev spread farig

[timber falcon]

Farigiraf @ Electric Seed
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 236 Def / 92 SpD
Bold Nature

• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Foul Play
• Psychic

this is what they usually run on munchlax

I suggest ground tera

[torn parrot]

I’m so excited for dinner

I wonder who will win the whole tourney

I didn’t miss it right

[willow vault]

Nah seniors are playing rn

[torn parrot]

Yay nice

[timber falcon]

not for long, let Joshua cook

[smoky hawk]

People are training their raging bolts to live a glacial lance, aren't they?

[timber falcon]

yeah 148/148 does the trick

hp/def

[molten oasis]

Great match

148 is the stat distribution yiu hit?

[timber falcon]

got it from someone here, i forgot who, but i couldnt seem to optimise it. Might juts be a skill issue

[molten oasis]

Oh it is

Cool

[smoky hawk]

Got it, thanks

[gentle crag]

t0paz777 has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[mighty stump]

Joshua played beautifully

[timber falcon]

just as i predicted

[molten oasis]

Yea that was great

[willow vault]

Another good grand finals

[smoky hawk]

How old is Joshua? Seniors sometimes move into masters and do very well

[molten oasis]

Knocking off CA both games was huge

[timber falcon]

fr

[mighty stump]

Adam fell into the trap of pivoting yourself into a bad spot

Very well played though

[timber falcon]

lol 2-0 across the board

[mighty stump]

Bros cold

Lol the delete

[molten oasis]

Let’s see if Aurelian takes this or not

[mighty stump]

I hope so

[willow vault]

I asked them a question in a vc, they answered here

[molten oasis]

He deserves it

Both do if the other wins

But I also feel like the mu is more in Aurelians favor

[timber falcon]

would be an amzing run

[torn parrot]

Oh shit it’s over?

[timber falcon]

he hasnt lost a game right?

[torn parrot]

Damn

[molten oasis]

There’s masters and then it’s over

[torn parrot]

Oh nice

[molten oasis]

You should watch

[smoky hawk]

I will have to root for Patrick because I'm in NA myself

I'd rather not have Europe keep the title

[timber falcon]

womp womp Aurelian is taking this W

[mighty stump]

Soula has the experience advantage

[solid frigate]

Terapagos and Soula go brrr

[mighty stump]

Hope this is gonna be good

Oh boy

[molten oasis]

Wow

[next stump]

LETS GO PATRICK

[mighty stump]

A lead I expect from Patrick would be something like Raging Bolt and Urshifu

[next stump]

VAMOS

[molten oasis]

Let’s see who takes this

[mighty stump]

SOULA

[timber falcon]

this is pagos vs ice rider right?

[mighty stump]

SOULAAAAAAAAAAA

VAMOS

It's really endearing to see the support parents show

I am envious

[solid frigate]

Pagos pls

[forest arrow]

come on Pat! show honse is the best!

[molten oasis]

Fuck the honse let’s go Pagos

[mighty stump]

PAGOS VAMOS

[forest arrow]

Gonna be a good match for sure

[solid frigate]

VIVA LA REVOLUTION

(Soula is from France

[timber falcon]

pagos >>> honse 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[mighty stump]

We are in for a treat

[molten oasis]

Gonna be an Incredible match for sure

[mighty stump]

I bet the energy is going to be electric

[timber falcon]

find it criminal how long it took though, i know dillion explained but its so late for me rn

[molten oasis]

Pffff

[mighty stump]

Best for last after all

[willow vault]

I forgot I was playing so the game choose my move and well, https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2140190801-crd5qdhtnndaumx48nptdhfasvzgpztpw

[molten oasis]

That’s interesting

[solid frigate]

PAGOS DO IT FOR THE HOMIES

[molten oasis]

Oh yea he has hands

The hands comeback is so real

[timber falcon]

W caster predictions

[solid frigate]

W

[molten oasis]

Let’s see if fate agrees with the predictions

[solid frigate]

pls my little boi plssssssss

[mighty stump]

Oh yeah

Riley Factura got DQ'd or something

[timber falcon]

how come

[molten oasis]

Oh? I wonder how

[solid frigate]

huh?? what happen?

[mighty stump]

hackcheck

[molten oasis]

Figures

[solid frigate]

AGAIN????

[timber falcon]

that sucks

[molten oasis]

Wait again? This has happened with him before?

[solid frigate]

well someone in Bologna

[mighty stump]

So the original Peli-CIR

[smoky hawk]

Did I just hear the caster say that it seems fated for Aurealien to win?

[molten oasis]

Oooooh ok

[smoky hawk]

Wtf

[timber falcon]

you heard facts

[smoky hawk]

Wow

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

Eh, sometimes fate has other plans

[smoky hawk]

Are you kidding me?

[forest arrow]

Coaching is a tech i never tried on it

[molten oasis]

Good tech

[mighty stump]

Why are you upset LOL it's just commentary

[smoky hawk]

Fire this caster. You can't say that shit before a match begins...

[molten oasis]

You know how funny it is to get zacian to +4 in 1 turn lol

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

Ok, here we go, it’s time, I’ll be back to discuss post match

[timber falcon]

underdog syndrome might bite back though

[mighty stump]

Steel your nerves Soula

HERE WE GO

[next stump]

A Sol went 15-0 in a regional then lost in the finals, he deserves an actual W

[mighty stump]

interesting leads

Huge Moonblast coming out

[timber falcon]

oh pagos seems to be clean up mon here

assuming its in the back

[solid frigate]

No Urshifu from Patrick

[forest arrow]

good read

[mighty stump]

FLUTTER LIVES

INSANE

[forest arrow]

crazy

[mighty stump]

Here comes the Pagos

[solid frigate]

Its a sweep now

[timber falcon]

idk about that swap

[molten oasis]

Shit, this is nuts

[mighty stump]

THe DPULSE

SCOUTED

[next stump]

pat is fucking cooking RN

[forest arrow]

Damn this match is crazy

[mighty stump]

That DP did nothing

Lol

[timber falcon]

is Aarons stream behind?

[mighty stump]

Pat takes G1 definitely

I think Soula needs a more aggressive lead

[smoky hawk]

LFG Patrick!

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-nachdenken-grübeln-think-brood-gif-17191339

Let’s see how g2 goes

[mighty stump]

HMHMHM

[molten oasis]

Going offensive was great for Pat and that timing was great on tr

[mighty stump]

Lmao his dad

That's sweet

Chi-Flutter + Pagos Hands sounds correct

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[mighty stump]

oho

[smoky hawk]

Patrick's positioning won that game

[mighty stump]

Nice damage

[molten oasis]

Holy-

[mighty stump]

Great T1

[timber falcon]

but now pagos being specs has been nerfed?

[mighty stump]

YOOOOOOOOO

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[timber falcon]

WAIT WAT

[mighty stump]

THE FOUL PLAY

SOULAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[timber falcon]

THE TERA GHOST

[solid frigate]

its neutral now

[forest arrow]

that was huge

[little plank]

@molten oasis this is why I use dozogiri lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140196729

[solid frigate]

LETS GOOO TURTLE

LETS GO GRIMM

[molten oasis]

Wow that was great

[mighty stump]

Good trade tbh

What comes in

CHI YUUUUUUUU

[solid frigate]

FEESH

https://tenor.com/view/fish-tail-fishy-penata-pencho-fish-fresh-fish-gif-23918149

[mighty stump]

HUGE MOOONBLAST

DOUBLE KNOCK OUT

[molten oasis]

That was a great g2

[timber falcon]

BRUH TOFU WHAT YOU WATCHING ON

[solid frigate]

FEESH HYPE

[mighty stump]

HOLY

WHAT A GAME

[molten oasis]

The Tera ghost play was incredible

[willow vault]

Probably twitch

[timber falcon]

ima watch there

[mighty stump]

DANG

GAME 3

GAME 3

GAME 3

[smoky hawk]

Well played Aurélien. G3

[solid frigate]

GAME 3

[timber falcon]

GAME 333333

[bold geode]

I'm gonna have to pull up stream later

[molten oasis]

It’s anyone’s game

[mighty stump]

THAT WAS BEAUTIFULLY PLAYED

[molten oasis]

It’s literally anyone’s game

[timber falcon]

CALYREX BEWARE, GRIMSNARLS HERE 🗣️ 🔥

[torn parrot]

“It’s just so terrific to see the growth from jaco- I mean Adam”

“Pokeman has done a lot for him”

[solid frigate]

Grimmsnarl:Kek

[molten oasis]

LETS GO SOULA TAKE IT HOME

[mighty stump]

TAKE IT HOME SOULA

[solid frigate]

SOULA TAKE IT HOME

[mighty stump]

HERE WE GO

[solid frigate]

GAME 3

[torn parrot]

You guys sound like your watching someone make a touchdown

I’m not there yet I been distracted

[timber falcon]

FO pivot here

[willow vault]

That did a lot more than I expect after Tera

[mighty stump]

THAT CRIT MIGHT MATTER

[timber falcon]

yeah that was nasty

[mighty stump]

THE ADJUSTMENT

[willow vault]

I think it might

[timber falcon]

OH NO

[forest arrow]

Crit was huge

[willow vault]

Oh

[timber falcon]

PELLI

[willow vault]

Toilet birb

[solid frigate]

THE BIRB

[timber falcon]

NOOOOO

[forest arrow]

Peliiii we love youuuu

[mighty stump]

DESPERATE MOVE BY SOULA

[smoky hawk]

The birb!! 🐦

[willow vault]

Big survival

[mighty stump]

Dang

[timber falcon]

oh

[mighty stump]

Big respect

[willow vault]

Great play

[timber falcon]

full para pls?

[willow vault]

I’m confused at no switches

[mighty stump]

Go for paras

[mighty stump]

Take a guess

[forest arrow]

full para is what Soula needs

[timber falcon]

pinning peli/gain momentum after KOs

[willow vault]

Didn’t want to switch into enormous damage

Fair

[timber falcon]

no full paras :/

[mighty stump]

No, trying to make a call and play the out

[forest arrow]

Trying to call the TR

[timber falcon]

yeah its pretty much ggs here right

[molten oasis]

So

[willow vault]

Fair enough, I’m running on 0 hours sleep I’m gonna be a bit slow on reaching conclusions

[timber falcon]

yep, crazy adjustment

[mighty stump]

Bro doesn't believe in outs

Shameful

[timber falcon]

bro look at this position

[smoky hawk]

I've been begging Patrick to switch to a fake outter but I suppose he didn't need to

[molten oasis]

Fate was against him once again

[forest arrow]

bro full para exist man

very much a game

[mighty stump]

Great set

Great game

[willow vault]

Feels like that’s game

[molten oasis]

That was awesome

[mighty stump]

CIR WINS NAIC

[timber falcon]

GGs

[willow vault]

CIR wins it out

[forest arrow]

ggs

[molten oasis]

Ggs

[willow vault]

Great set

[bold geode]

Oh Soula didn't get it?

[forest arrow]

CIR finally got one

[solid frigate]

ggs

[mighty stump]

Also regardless of position if you don't play to your outs you should just give up on VGC

[molten oasis]

Now CIR is gonna skyrocket

[bold geode]

Idk I tried to play for a crazy ass out once lmao

[timber falcon]

i guess

[mighty stump]

An out is an out lol

[next stump]

LETS GO PATRICK

[forest arrow]

Rilla over amoongus is a cool adjustment Double FO and surge

[mighty stump]

VERY GOOD GAME

[bold geode]

Welp sigh
Back to Zamazenta

[molten oasis]

Sticking with Zac

[next stump]

just classic CIR with Rilla > Amoonguss, glad it finally won

[forest arrow]

me too

[molten oasis]

Pelipper rise up lol

[smoky hawk]

Screw you Evan!!! You said Aurelien was fated to win

[bold geode]

Nah it was like
T Wave and hope they get paralyzed MULTIPLE times lmao

[mighty stump]

The Soula curse carries on

[timber falcon]

underdog syndrome really hits hard

[mighty stump]

I mean yeah

[molten oasis]

Seriously

[mighty stump]

It's an out

Lol

[bold geode]

It was like a .00001% chance

[mighty stump]

So what

[molten oasis]

You have to try

[mighty stump]

Dude I don't understand this weak ass mentality of "ill just give up"

[bold geode]

But yeah this Reg has made me do some crazy shit

[next stump]

I mean statistically speaking I’m sure there was a >50% chance that Calyrex was Paralyzed one of those turns before the game was fully over

[mighty stump]

It's so frustrating to hear

[molten oasis]

Shouldn’t play if you’re gonna give up

[solid frigate]

i am not looking forward see a massive hoard of Ice Riders

[molten oasis]

Without playing to your outs

[molten oasis]

Mu practice

That’s just simply mu practice

[solid frigate]

already doing that

[little plank]

Just gotta pull out the dozo

[bold geode]

I just give up if I can't see a way at all

[solid frigate]

i might build your Dozo

[molten oasis]

[little plank]

There's almost always a way.

[bold geode]

Like if there's a sliver of hope now, imma try it lol

[molten oasis]

No I bet zama is gonna get more popular

[timber falcon]

i wouldnt forfeit a game lol'

[molten oasis]

I think this format is literally a cycle

[bold geode]

Hehehehehe yes

[timber falcon]

just pray the missclick

[mighty stump]

So basically literally each of the main good restricteds have won a major event then

[smoky hawk]

Patrick was lucky there was no full para, but tbf, why the hell did Aurelien continue to click tera starstorm? Lol

[bold geode]

But yeah no
I wouldn't forfeit in the finals lol

[molten oasis]

Every regional is just, try to beat the thing that won last time

[mighty stump]

Punishes no Wide Guard

[solid frigate]

except Kyogre i think

[mighty stump]

Yeah I said main good restricteds

[bold geode]

Now let's make some off meta restricted shit

[molten oasis]

Zacian and Kyogre aren’t in that mix

[void sluice]

Wow, Patrick with the masters victory

[smoky hawk]

So Aurelien guessed wrong about wide guard each time

[molten oasis]

Koraidon isn’t as well

[mighty stump]

Basically

[molten oasis]

The cycle is Zama Terapagos Miraidon and the horses I believe

[void sluice]

Ice rider calyrex gets the crown at naic

[mighty stump]

How many people would assume you would switch Terapagos since they see Wide Guard

[timber falcon]

2 crowns

[bold geode]

Koraidon, Zacian, and Kyogre are like
A-

[mighty stump]

If everyone said they would switch, you'd lose to Soula in that position

So on and so forth

[molten oasis]

Yea

[mighty stump]

It was a desperate and understandable call

[molten oasis]

They’re harder to pilot but still good

You don’t have the same oppressive power as the top 5

[solid frigate]

time to catch a New Dozo for the set

[molten oasis]

[void sluice]

Paralysis luck came thru tho

[willow vault]

Took me a while but I finally realised what you meant by the pinch, my bad Tofu, brain was not working

[timber falcon]

well thats me done for today

bye bye

[mighty stump]

If Patrick got para'd even once that would have been a fully different story

Especially since Pelipper was pinned by Wide Guard

Great set

[molten oasis]

Yep

Well, that’ll be fun to learn how to beat on ladder

[mighty stump]

Hvae

Have yall not learned

[molten oasis]

?

[bold geode]

I mean tbf that 6 iirc has been going around for a bit

[mighty stump]

No offense to CIR but it's the most incredibly consistent in variation/style teamwise since like the start of Reg G

[molten oasis]

Oh yea for sure

[mighty stump]

If people haven't learned by now what have ya'll been up to

[molten oasis]

What’s the 6th?

Pretty sure there’s a sharp cut off at the 6th guy being koraidon

[willow vault]

Throwing up, and not being able to sleep

[bold geode]

No, Patrick's 6

[molten oasis]

OH yea

[forest arrow]

That 6 has been set in stone for awhile with a few variations

[molten oasis]

Well

[forest arrow]

Rilla is cool adaptation

[molten oasis]

Ladder did not have me fight that at all

Ladder screwed me lol

[bold geode]

Yeah no it's legit the one restricted beside Caly S I'd say is the most skill expressive

[molten oasis]

I beat Dillon in a bo3 and said “good enough”

That was a mistake I really needed more practice for that mu

[forest arrow]

Thats where note taking comes to play

[molten oasis]

…idk what notes to take or how

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex won in the 3 categories

[mighty stump]

Anyways

[forest arrow]

but i get it, I suck at note taking

[foggy lodge]

We live in the darkest timeline

[mighty stump]

Running max spe Imprison CIR gl to all my future opps

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

I’m gonna learn how to use pelipper correctly

[little plank]

What a unique team

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140208500-4py42j0hr0z80w8g4um34ui5humhuhwpw

[molten oasis]

That or I’ll find someone to build and play zacian stuff with me

Still solo on that one

[smoky hawk]

Wide guard seems almost necessary in this format

Both riders and terapagos

[mighty stump]

Debatable. Again, Wide Guard can be considered a pin as well for the user's end

All it takes is one turn not Wide Guarding to get clapped

[little plank]

I hate seeing galade or pelipper lol

[mighty stump]

Which creates awkward positions when you consider the side-slots

[molten oasis]

It’s not needed but it’s very helpful

[mighty stump]

And against Pagos

[solid frigate]

yeah,same

[mighty stump]

Well

Sometimes it doesn't Tera

So

[molten oasis]

Welp

That’s a fun new location

[little plank]

If I see pelipper I am almost always bringing dozo lol

[molten oasis]

[forest arrow]

[solid frigate]

i might need to build the tankiest Dozo with Grimm

[smoky hawk]

Ah, yes. Dondozo. The raid boss pokemon.

[little plank]

Dozo has been carrying me hard lol

[smoky hawk]

I'm going to use WG somewhere on the team. Maybe there's a genius pick for that move that no one is using

A pokemon pick, I mean

[chrome knot]

was naic next location all ?

[bold geode]

Wow, Patrick Game 1 just went for shit first 2 turns

DP doing half, wtf

[torn parrot]

Wooow that was great

[bold geode]

Game 1 Patrick played so well

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140223413-5hb2rtysbwya5tnm6s5yjc5kn5e4g2zpw this is a terapagosa counter team if I ever seen one lol

[torn parrot]

You all are making me wanna hop on the ladder

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140227370?p2
something about baiting astral barrage on low ladder with a test variant of the zoroark team is so fun lol

[little plank]

Lol I miss low elo sometimes

Alot less stressful decisions

[strange fjord]

Fr. After getting to 1700 and letting my elo slowly decay, low ladder with silly teams in pretty fun. no need to think too hard, just autopilot

less stress, more pick silly button

[torn parrot]

I wish pokemon had in game formats

separated into pokemon rarity to make it super simple for them

Normal wild Pokemon tier

Paradox tier and transfer pokemon tier

All of the above and Legendaries tier

[pallid hare]

they kinda did with how the regulations functioned

[torn parrot]

Of course but

okay wait why did I think of that whole system

I could have just said I want every regulation to be playable at all times

That’s what I want basically

I want to be able to play regulation A-G

[next stump]

no tournaments is going to be hard to endure for 2 months :/

[chrome knot]

@next stump come to solarflare in july

[next stump]

is that an in person event?

[chrome knot]

yuh

up in toronto

want info for it? @next stump

[next stump]

sure, I’ll see if the dates work

[lucid umbra]

I just beat the game and I bet that my pokemon are awful competitively

[chrome knot]

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Twitter · May 24, 2024, 11:08 PM

@next stump

[solid frigate]

kek

[lucid umbra]

I beat the game only a couple days ago and I would like to make a bet my team is awful competitively

[solid frigate]

show the team

[lucid umbra]

K give me a sec

It won't let me send pictures

I'm new to the server

I can tell you

[solid frigate]

@little plank Can you give me the Dondozo EVs

[solid frigate]

ok

[lucid umbra]

Skeledirge

Clodsire

Luxray

Dragonite

Garchomp

And a sandaconda

[solid frigate]

yeah outside of Dragonite this team just dies to this regulation

[lucid umbra]

I knew it

Torch song is op though

Kinda

[solid frigate]

nah its not that OP

[lucid umbra]

If you can survive and hit first maybe

[solid frigate]

which is very hard to do in this format-

[finite smelt]

I’m new to vgc and want to build trick room can someone help me look at trick room setters? Or show me a resource to go over them.

[lucid umbra]

Okay I really no nothing about competitive except the pokemon has to be under Lv.50 I'm pretty sure

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Ice Rider,Indeedee,Farigiraf,Lunala,Dawn Wings Necrozma are all the Prime TR setter

[solid frigate]

exactly level 50

[lucid umbra]

Oh

[lucid umbra]

Thx you

[gentle crag]

max05838 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[finite smelt]

I’m assuming each are good under different scenarios correct? Due to abilities and stat totals. Who would you say are particularly prevalent atm.

[solid frigate]

its not really about Abilities(Unless are talking about Indeedee and Farigiraf)

And Its a Single Restricted Format so you can bring 1 Box Art Legendary

[trim apex]

Does Punching Gloves Boost Poison Job?

[solid frigate]

why

[finite smelt]

I’m assuming farigiraf’s armor tail and indeedee’s psychic surge are what set them apart?

[solid frigate]

Fari is better if you want to use Priority Moves

[molten oasis]

What?

Guessing you mean use prio next to Fari?

[solid frigate]

yea

[finite smelt]

I thought Farigiraf prevents others from using prio

[rigid crane]

Can anyone help me get to Masterball tier in SWSH?

[trim apex]

Just wondering if it will add up with the damage + 30% of chance to poison

[molten oasis]

Well yea but it doesn’t prevent you from using an ally priority moves

[solid frigate]

it does not prevent your allies using it

[solid frigate]

Just use Life orb

[trim apex]

Okies ❤️

[finite smelt]

Can someone let me know where to check out resources so I can read up on trick room?

[trim apex]

Thanks 🫂

[gentle crag]

dharhil has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[next stump]

What kinda stuff do you want to know? Trick Room is a pretty broad topic

ToppoWoppo is a twitch streamer that plays exclusively trick room teams and also explains himself well

[finite smelt]

I figured trick room as a team would be easy enough to understand the basics. I want to learn to play VGC so I picked trick room as a starting team.

Unless you have any other recommendations on teams or play styles to start with

[lucid umbra]

I have an idea for a competitive strat

[molten oasis]

[lucid umbra]

You focus on one big guy who is tanky and has a lot of health, but before that you put down stuff like poison spicks or toxic anything that does damage after turns then you spam drowsy or confuse ray so you have a smaller chance of dying then you go to the tank and use moves like draining punch or anything to lower stats or get health back Then if their is room go for a glass Canon for any problem pokemon

[molten oasis]

Why is the focus poison and toxic which are not great in vgc

[solid frigate]

unless your name is Glimmora,Toxic Stall sucks

[lucid umbra]

Anything like that to do damage

[lucid umbra]

K

I ment a thing just to do damage maybe just spikes moves like those do you know what I mean

[molten oasis]

Spikes are also bad in vgc

[lucid umbra]

): Just any thing that does extra damage over time

[molten oasis]

Why do you need extra damage

[lucid umbra]

More chances of insta killing

[molten oasis]

That’s not how that works

[lucid umbra]

I know it's just a thought

I thought it was a good idea but I know nothing about vgc

[cyan smelt]

Wasn't yawn dozo and stealth Rock ting lu a thing

[solid frigate]

Don't do that

[lucid umbra]

(also I know some items let you survive insta death that's also a part of the plan)

[molten oasis]

It’s very eh

Sand tomb and yawn dozo is good

Not, great

But it’s decent

[lucid umbra]

Yeah I guess I really shouldn't be here I never played vgc but I find it fascinating

Vgc also looks fun and strategic

[next stump]

it’s pretty much the perfect game in my opinion

[molten oasis]

Why do groudon players play protect simulator, fucking annoying

[solid frigate]

Groudon being Passive these days is just-

[molten oasis]

I have fallen to low elo cuz I am losing to players that keep getting insanely lucky, fun

[solid frigate]

tell that to me when i use Overheat on Koraidon in 1v1 and Misses

[cyan smelt]

i hate miraidon

[molten patrol]

Anyone have advice for competitive scarlet and violet because I already compete for the card game

[solid frigate]

F

[solid frigate]

Card Game?? this is VGC-

[molten patrol]

I know I already play the card game but I wanna compete for scarlet and violet game too

But I don’t know where to start

I know my first step is finish the game but idk where to go from there

[solid frigate]

i think look at the Pin comments

[next stump]

pinned messages have good resources, other than that just playing the game on Pokemon Showdown or in game using a rental team is going to be a great way to get your feet wet

it’s good that you’ve placed TCG tournaments already so you have a feel for regionals already

[molten patrol]

I only played locals

But I’m getting back into it

[cyan smelt]

bo3 is so damn difficult and i keep losing to tr

[foggy lodge]

ok i made my tier list of restricteds 3.0

I should have ordered the B tier

[solid frigate]

Hmmmm

[rustic mountain]

jus caught finals, wow wat a set

[cyan smelt]

i hate miraidon

[rustic mountain]

[patent marsh]

Ye

Caly ice no longer a fraud

[rustic mountain]

idt it was ever a fraud its converted well every tour

[chrome knot]

caly ice was the most consistent….

[patent marsh]

No as in finally got Beeg win

[chrome knot]

😵‍💫

[rustic mountain]

yea but that doesnt mean fraud

[foggy lodge]

I was thinking

About Latias

And i don't know if it would be good

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 380: Latias

Types

Dragon/Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/80/90/110/130/110

Total

600

Other Formes

Latias-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[chrome knot]

no

latias was thought to be good start of reg f

then fell off immediately

[rustic mountain]

latios even is really jus specific to the keanu/esm zama comp

think if it is something ud look into, itd be for a team mostly already determined, not a mon u start with

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's why i thought about it

Someone in another server was talking about reg F and i remember that in early meta it was a good pokemon

And it was very used and then everyone stopped playing it lol

Was there a real reason to use Latias at the start? Or just new toy factor?

[foggy lodge]

And it often gets replaced

I've seen many variants about Keanu's team

And most often they switch Latios with something else

[rustic mountain]

prolly cuz they dont understand wat it does. keanu has mentioned here it was for specific mus ppl prolly jus dont care to figure it out themselves

[cyan smelt]

I think I'll try out chien Pao, that might help with the miraidon mu

or maybe i should scrap the team idk

[craggy dagger]

latis works well in that it could wall lando I back in reg F with levitate tera poison/steel while hitting lando i with SE through ice beam/icy wind and mist ball for tera

also mist ball got a buff and lowers the opposing pokémon’s special attack which was cool

[chrome knot]

stinky duo

what if instead of the eon duo they were the freaky duo and sucked toes instead of levitating

[craggy dagger]

emma no-

[chrome knot]

big freaky mane fan bc it funny to say

[craggy dagger]

oh

happy birthday btw-
just realized it’s tomorrow for you-

[warped mason]

How is this team for summer

Put it on pvp poke and got B B D A

[craggy dagger]

you’ll prolly have better luck asking ppl in #pogo_discussion

[warped mason]

Ok thx

Oh i just realized i was in the wrong server 💀

[cyan smelt]

what won NAIC

[strange fjord]

Caly Ice i think

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Stuck in a terminal for 5 hours

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna scrap my team because it's no good

[patent marsh]

@mighty stump joever I officially ran out of content to do unless I can build more characters for tower

[mighty stump]

damn wtf

you should build Aalto

[patent marsh]

I need to do mort, sanhua and verina first 😭

but the energy usage being this steep makes it so slow

[molten oasis]

Bro I found a Tera normal quick attack zacian

[mighty stump]

Based

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140436130-jtaqqsqhpkw3ue6vvh4isk42u4o5ji6pw

Shifu lived tho cuz shifu built different

[cyan smelt]

Neat that's a high elo too

Is kingdra actually any good this reg? One of the few things that outspeeds caly s and miraidon

[charred saddle]

do you wanna build a snowman

[molten oasis]

Zac balance good

[solid frigate]

Archaludon the GOAT honestly

[cyan smelt]

Might honestly try ting lu ho oh again

[pallid lance]

What's a good way to build a Golem?

It looks like the pokémon was made for rollout, but it's there any pokémon that competitively ever benefits for using that move rollout?

[patent marsh]

Too low power for it to be useful for a 90 accuracy move

Physical rock has significantly better moves at 90 accuracy

[pallid lance]

Gotcha. Yeah I figured it wouldn't be used, but they should make something similar but better. Pay some respect to a classic move

I'm about to start researching a good Golem load out online I'm just maxing friendship first. I never really fully tried with fast mon before now.

[solid frigate]

also Rollout is a Build Up Move so yeah not good for a long term

[solid frigate]

hmmm

might as well build a team

[molten oasis]

With what

[solid frigate]

Not sure, I built too many Turtle Teams

[molten oasis]

Play

Zama

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

As ice rider just won and that’s gonna skyrocket in popularity for a little bit

[solid frigate]

i did say Zama is my worst Piloted Restricted

And i don't have Zama cuz i skipped Gen 8

[bold geode]

Perfect timing for me

[molten oasis]

I have an okay mu into CIR

With the current team I have that is

https://pokepast.es/89fa543dcf463a97

[solid frigate]

My team is well,mildly ok against it
https://pokepast.es/4eb9b3dc4486ef22

[molten oasis]

I missed having good switchins to things lol

but I can turn on the HO mode with the pao on the 6th slot rn

[solid frigate]

honestly fair

Mine is Just Chi Yu Pagos Mode or TornShifu Mode

[molten oasis]

Specs looks good on Pagos here but looks fine

[solid frigate]

I'm so damn paranoid against Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Just looks like a team that plays faster than calm mind does

[solid frigate]

and Maybe Caly S

[molten oasis]

Well yea naturally miraidon is a poor mu for rain

But Archaludon helps

And amoonguss, clicking electro shot and then nuking miraidon with Draco is huge

[solid frigate]

i think putting Archaludon in my team is a more offfensive Approach on my team

[molten oasis]

I still hate Tera dark and mental herb but ok

[solid frigate]

might change to Ghost Later

but Archaludon Rn is Tera Fairy

in SV

[molten oasis]

Why were you Tera grass in the first place?

[solid frigate]

my previous Team is Tera Grass before

[molten oasis]

Ic

[solid frigate]

Yeah Its Urshifu,Pelipper,Archaludon,Amoonguss,Raging Bolt(Previously Meowscarada) and Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

Meow?

How’d that happen?

[solid frigate]

yeah i changed it

[molten oasis]

Well, I can see that

[solid frigate]

well i just wanna test it for fun

like I did Use Meow for some purpose back in Reg A

[molten oasis]

Well Meow was high usage in reg a

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why-

Tho i kinda just revived half of my Reg F Team

[molten oasis]

That’s fine

[autumn vault]

Who won NAIC, terapagos or CIR? I missed it

[molten oasis]

Lots of stuff from reg f is still good today

[solid frigate]

CIR

[molten oasis]

CIR, great set you should go watch it

[autumn vault]

Ok

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c734f719e80252d3

Ehhhhhhhhhhh

[autumn vault]

I missed it because i had to go sleep

[molten oasis]

L

[autumn vault]

Atleast i have a good reason not watching NAIC this time

[molten oasis]

Put a restricted over wellspring and there ya go

[autumn vault]

Only wellspring fell off

But yes do what drago says

[molten oasis]

Everything there is still very relevant even some got better

I want shifu to overtake incin in usage

Cuz urshifu is a cool Mon and incin ruins my life

Shifus a homie

[autumn vault]

I actually like Urshifu as a pokemon

Competitively i hate it

[solid frigate]

Me Pulling out my Reg F Team Back from Retirement Be like:

[molten oasis]

Shifu’s my favorite water type next to Primarina

Urshifu is cool

Unseen fist needs a nerf tho

[solid frigate]

i think Urshifu is Answer for many things lol

[molten oasis]

Yea. incineroar, scarf is decent into CSR, good offensive typing too

[solid frigate]

Water Fighting are just Chef's Kiss

[molten oasis]

I think shifu also being highly used is due to flutter falling in usage

[autumn vault]

Urshifu isn't toxic since Reg F

[molten oasis]

Bolt is manageable

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz it has answers

[solid frigate]

Bolt is fine

[molten oasis]

(Bolt)

[autumn vault]

Bolt is OK

Miraidon is also ok for urshifu Rapid Strike

[solid frigate]

i can use Bolt if i can honestly

i still have it build up

[molten oasis]

I have 1 bolt named stormclaw and he is my best friend

Cuz I’m not taking time to get another one

[autumn vault]

I call my Raging Bolt Hegemon Husk

Because like the Hegemon Husk (from Fire Emblem) bolt is really tall

[molten oasis]

Ah

[solid frigate]

I call my Bolt Zenitsu

Well Because of that one move-

https://tenor.com/view/zenitsu-zenitsu-agatsuma-gif-24996039

[molten oasis]

Zac will always be Athena to me

I think the name fits well

[autumn vault]

Kyogre will always be Corrin to me

It does

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Named As Pneuma for Lore Reasons-

[molten oasis]

Ah yes the anime that’s good because animation goated

[autumn vault]

Are we talking about main legend's nicknames from us?

[molten oasis]

Not really anything else

[solid frigate]

fair point

[autumn vault]

I call Zekrom Grima because of the black both have

Plus they have the same coloured eyes

[molten oasis]

I have a name for zacian

For restricteds

I don’t have names for the others

[autumn vault]

Understandable

[solid frigate]

Terapagos:Pneuma
Dawn Wings Necrozma:Overlord
Dialga:Chronos
Palkia:Astreus

[molten oasis]

Neat names, I wonder what they’re from

[solid frigate]

funnily Enough i did not name Lunala

[molten oasis]

Alr. Final flight, I’ll see y’all later

[solid frigate]

see ya

[azure ether]

I'm trying to build this core of Zama/Ting/Rilla
https://pokepast.es/ad8935cb5c09d3d9

are there any things that needs to be improved?

[solid frigate]

I mean it looks good

[azure ether]

I'm torn on who should get the AV

[solid frigate]

I think both are fine,but Bolt with AV is scary

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

im so glad they finally made raikou useful

[autumn vault]

Mine are:
Groudon: Bowser
Koraidon: Balthus
Zekrom: Grima
Kyogre: Corrin
Terapagos: Indech

[solid frigate]

fair

[south shuttle]

groudon is more like godzilla imo

but the shiny is bowser-like

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Baxcalibur:

[south shuttle]

which dlc is raging bolt in?

[south shuttle]

that came later

[autumn vault]

Groudon doesn't look like Godzilla that much, plus Bowser is a fitting name for it
Both have uknown origins
Both use fire to their advantage
Both are physically bulky
Both are hobos

[solid frigate]

but like Bax fits more in design

[autumn vault]

Indigo Disk

[south shuttle]

ok great now i know teal mask sucks

thx

[autumn vault]

We got Ogerpon and Blood Moon Ursaluna from it, not so sure

[south shuttle]

arctibax evolves into baxcallibur at 54

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/d5e0fbba28153408 Opinions on this AV Groudon

[south shuttle]

apparently that was when the first godzilla was made

which is pretty cool

[bold geode]

Anyways good morning comp chat

[autumn vault]

G' Morning Monke

[solid frigate]

I think Teal Mask's Story is way more interesting than Indigo Disk, But Indigo Disk gives more replayability

[autumn vault]

What looks better on the team, Tornadus or Whimsicott?

[autumn vault]

Agreed

Plus Teal Mask gave the simps Perrin

[solid frigate]

PFFT

SO TRUE LMAO

[solid frigate]

Whim is more better

[autumn vault]

If i use it then i get 3 fairy types

I can always remove Grimmsnarl but it helps against the calyrex

And Tornadus is generally good

[solid frigate]

Plus Encore is a Toxic move that i like

don't ask why i love a toxic move

[autumn vault]

Ok

Understood, i also love toxic moves that are 100% accurate

looking at you focus blast

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

I can remove Grimm for Urshifu-S or Chien Pao

Plus Chien Pao helps with damage output

[solid frigate]

fair

[autumn vault]

I think i will go for Chien Pao

[solid frigate]

fair

[autumn vault]

Guess i'm using L-Orb on Chien Pao

[south shuttle]

who's that

[autumn vault]

Adaman's descendant

[south shuttle]

is it just another rival like klara?

[autumn vault]

No

[south shuttle]

oh

now i see

[solid frigate]

wait did you even play the DLC-

[south shuttle]

nope

shiny hunting for necrozma in swsh

then after prob gonna do the s/v dlc

[autumn vault]

Anyone has a Life Orb Chien Pao set?

[solid frigate]

i don't

[autumn vault]

I can run Cloak on Whim but i would like to try L-Orb on Pao anyways

Plus it doesn't need sash to succeed

[solid frigate]

fair

saw lot more LORB Paos

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/smokey-the-bear-smokey-gif-7786266099550484116

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i cant stop seeing this moon bear

its everywhere

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Is this brown bear Po?

[south shuttle]

he might

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https://pokepast.es/e590d950b20b3b7c

Should i change something

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This is 1400 elo btw

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Special Black Kyurem-

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Why not just use Kyurem White at that point?

If you want a special Kyurem-Black then just use White

[solid frigate]

i am questioning

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Questioning their sanity/skill?

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Sanity

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-Black

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/170/100/120/90/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

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i mean it still has a pretty good spatk stat

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2140544292 Also this match against a Kyogre went veyr well

I love Magnet Tera electric sun Bolt

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But its 50 points lower than Kyurem-W's

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and Kyurem white is significantly better

i legit don't know why

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140+ SpA Magnet Tera-Electric Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 156-184 (89.1 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
OK this is just stupid

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i mean its Raging Bolt

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And Baxcalibur is just better

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What do you expect

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better ability and movepool

Slightly worse stats but they are still great

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Thermal Exchange+Better moves

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And not forced to run Dice just to get a consistent ice move

Which locks it out of Clear Amulet

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mhm

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i mean they are just too identical

Atleast with Reshiram and Gouging and Zekrom and Bolt/Miraidon they do different things and have atleast some reasons to use one over the other(s)
The black kyurem is nearly identical to bax

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except the ability and thats it

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Atleast Teravolt and Turboblaze ignore tera shell and Multiscale iirc

180 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 109-129 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
180 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 109-129 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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yea

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180 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lugia: 188-224 (88.2 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
180 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lugia: 188-224 (88.2 - 105.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

But it doesn't ignore Shadow Shield btw

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which is weird and stupid