competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

Fuck no

[molten oasis]

you burned the food too much

[autumn vault]

Using Zek is already cooking

[craggy dagger]

this is something i’d cook and somehow it’d work

[autumn vault]

using specs Zek is burning the house

[mighty stump]

Sun teams already have Raging Bolt

[molten oasis]

yea idk if zekrom has a place anywhere lol

[polar canyon]

Maybe in ubers uu

[molten oasis]

at that point it be placing miraidon's spot somewhere, so zekrom caly ice ig

[autumn vault]

Zekrom is a dragon dance pokemon, miraidon doesn't boost it's speed so idk about Zek CIR

Trick Room restricted and a fast restricted

[molten oasis]

idk

[autumn vault]

Doesn't seem right

[molten oasis]

idk how you slot zekrom on anything tbh

[polar canyon]

Zekrom is getting either burnt or intimidated for free

[molten oasis]

have you seen the average miraidon team?

[polar canyon]

It's what happens whenever I see kyurem black

[autumn vault]

Tailroom? Yes i think so

[molten oasis]

like no the focus isnt tr but miraidon can work ok in tr

because it prevents spore

[autumn vault]

You are definetely onto something

[polar canyon]

Mirai isn't exactly frail either

[autumn vault]

Clear Amulet tera fire:

Btw pls don't consider tera fire

[molten oasis]

tofu literally said tha would be one of the three things people immediately go to

[craggy dagger]

teehee-

https://pokepast.es/be7e47488d0ece28

[molten oasis]

that, CSR zama, and ZacOgre

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/willsmith-fresh-prince-gif-5207996

ive been "playing minecraft" for an hour now

[polar canyon]

That weatherless weather ball goes crazy

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dies-of-cringe-cringe-dust-gif-21399701

[molten oasis]

idk i think zekrom gets worse with double restricted

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

Pls for the love of god do not let her cook with Zekrom ever again

[molten oasis]

wtf do you do with it

[craggy dagger]

dw dw i’ll make it work-
i’ve done specs arcanine

that actually worked so this can work

[molten oasis]

ah so the kitchen is constantly ashes

[polar canyon]

Zekrom is better in normal rulesets than restricted, because the game stops you from using it

[autumn vault]

There are things you can do with it

1. Dragon Dance
2. Non Dragon Dance

[craggy dagger]

hey-

[molten oasis]

pairing wise

[craggy dagger]

that team won a more games than losses

[polar canyon]

Redirection while it ddances that's pretty much it I think

[craggy dagger]

somehow-

[autumn vault]

Kyogre and Groudon:

[molten oasis]

so you're the better pilot

[autumn vault]

They atleast have synergy

[polar canyon]

How do they work together at all

[willow vault]

I may have to try this and burn down another house

[molten oasis]

both have raging bolt as options that would be better, or even miraidon

just outclassed is all

[autumn vault]

Zek counters Flying and Water that groudon hates
Kyogre counters the ice and ground that Zek hates

[molten oasis]

groudon zekrom pao could be smth you could try

groudon just heat crashes flying types

[willow vault]

So why not miraidon or raging bolt instead

[polar canyon]

The better options

[autumn vault]

1. Bias
2. I don't like Miraidon
3. Let me have fun

[molten oasis]

miraidon's cool tho

[polar canyon]

I understand finding an use for a pokemon you like but if that use is just a worse version of an existing one, damn

[willow vault]

1. Bias isn’t useful 2. Fair enough 3. Never

[molten oasis]

at least my guy has good speed tier and a strong typing

[autumn vault]

Zekrom is like a hybrid between Bolt and Miraidon
Kyurem Black is literally just baxcalibur with worse movepool and ability but better stats

[polar canyon]

Nuh uh

[molten oasis]

zekrom is physical and worse than both of them

[mighty stump]

As long as it fulfils a niche lol

[molten oasis]

ig

[polar canyon]

But it kinda doesn't

[mighty stump]

Niche isn't a singular specific role. There can be multiples in the same niche. Just some worse/better than others.

[molten oasis]

zekrom groudon can work since you can threaten kyogre with zekrom ig

[mighty stump]

If you need a Dragon Electric type specifically

You only have 3 options.

[autumn vault]

I'm out, too many people trying to convince me to not use it
I also don't want to repeat what happened last month so i will go and do the team myself

[willow vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

i was more saying theres better options but ok

[polar canyon]

What happened last month

[mighty stump]

As much as we can think Zekrom is a worse version of Miraidon/Raging Bolt

I don't think any of your yappery really hits the point of actually wanting to use it

[willow vault]

Don’t remember

[mighty stump]

I only discourage useage of favourites if there is 0 reasoning behind it

I didn't see lack of reason here.

[molten oasis]

fair

[willow vault]

When does any of yapping help?

[mighty stump]

When it comes from me.

[molten oasis]

lol

[willow vault]

Alright

[molten oasis]

im gonna go play minecraft now

[craggy dagger]

pffftt-
close enough

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136821455

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump @craggy dagger look the squad :3

[autumn vault]

I only have 4 reasons to use Zekrom over the other 2:

1. Want a ddance pokemon and an electric dragon type for whatever reason and you have the restricted slot free
2. If you want to use a physical electric type and dragon type
3. Bias
4. I want to figure out whats the best with it

[craggy dagger]

cute names-
cute team

[mighty stump]

Bias is fine with reasoning

Again

I don't care

As long as you have actual reasoning

Raging Bolt/Miraidon don't fulfil a Physical Dragon Dance role with that coverage

[chrome knot]

im rng hunting legends who should i pick up

[mighty stump]

The only issue I had last time was when you said Zekrom is a Miraidon counter which is just false

[polar canyon]

Shouldn't have been crit

[molten oasis]

yes i love setting rain for urshifu lol

[autumn vault]

To be fair my team was built to atleast have a good MU into it and Zek picked up the most KOs on it because it is basically the only one who can consistently OHKO even bulky sets

On a normal team its definetely not true at all

[chrome knot]

tera ground tera blast!!!!!!

[molten oasis]

anyway, minecraft time

[craggy dagger]

oh the discharge?

[mighty stump]

Sometimes this channel dogpiles alternative picks without even considering why the person runs it

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-playoffs-invitation-creeper-gif-12574959320016633583

[polar canyon]

The drain -1 punch

[craggy dagger]

oh

[autumn vault]

Yes i sent that GIF intentionally

[polar canyon]

You kinda had it if wasn't for that

[willow vault]

What if my reasoning for a pick is strictly to annoy Drago?

[autumn vault]

Heatran?

[polar canyon]

That's fair I think

[willow vault]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

i think i could have just-
tera blast the shifu-
since i would have out sped anyways

[autumn vault]

He will definetely be mad when he sees that

[craggy dagger]

scarf + tailwind baby fish

[autumn vault]

if he does

[mighty stump]

That has no competitive relevance

[willow vault]

True

[autumn vault]

Fair

[south shuttle]

thats basically 2 reasons

[autumn vault]

I was just pointing out a pokemon that Drago would not be happy to see

[autumn vault]

I have 4, 2 of which are valid and the other 2 is just basic stuff

Bias and research

[polar canyon]

And the 2 are kinda the same

[willow vault]

I think Tofu meant my comment about on purposely annoying Drago not you

[autumn vault]

Ik

I said why i said heatran at all

[south shuttle]

dragon chicken blue flare >>>>

[polar canyon]

It's not because something is my favorite that I wanna make it work

I'm not gonna use solgaleo

[autumn vault]

Reshiram is definetely a bit mid

[polar canyon]

And zekrom isn't?

[south shuttle]

all of unova is mid

[autumn vault]

As much as i hate to say it: Yes
I tested both and feel like Zekrom > Reshiram

[polar canyon]

Tell that to amoonguss

[autumn vault]

Kyurem White is not mid

Or Amoonguss

[mighty stump]

See now that's an unhelpful form of bias

Both are mid

That is a fact

[polar canyon]

Does better than reshiram mean good

[autumn vault]

Or Tornadus and Landorus (both)

[willow vault]

And Lando-T

[autumn vault]

Because there aren't 2 other alternatives to Reshiram

[willow vault]

And Thundurus before the prankster and thunder wave nerfs

[south shuttle]

lando t fell off in s/v

[autumn vault]

Because of Incineroar

[bold geode]

What was the reasoning for Heatran again?

[polar canyon]

Well tell that to ou players

[autumn vault]

In formats without Incineroar it is very good

[willow vault]

Honestly don’t remember, but I like the pokemon and it really annoyed Drago

[south shuttle]

ik it didnt fall off in ou, just vgc wise bc nobody here plays singles

[autumn vault]

And he said that it hates Urshifu R when incineroar is even weaker to it

[autumn vault]

It nearly did, in DLC 1

In DLC 2 it is very popular

[willow vault]

Probably something to do with the steel type

[bold geode]

?

How

Plz explain

[autumn vault]

I can tell you are sarcastic

But if you really want why: Surging Strikes beats heatran and Incineroar and incineroar is technically frailer than Heatran

[polar canyon]

It's probably easier to rank high on bss ladder if there's way less people playing

[willow vault]

There not, they are both equally weak to Incineroar and Heatran more so, due to lack of intimidate to lower cc damage

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-surging-strikes-vgc-pokemon-banjo-kazooie-gif-7968953119837950134

[bold geode]

Technically Heatran is actually weaker

[willow vault]

And lack of fake out

And parting shot

[autumn vault]

We know Incin is better

I think we all do

Unless you mean singles but thats very obvious when you realize incin is in NU

And heatran is OU even with 5 ground types in the format

[willow vault]

Woah, NU is a vibe though

[polar canyon]

I don't think incin and heatran are comparable just for being fire types

You don't compare chi-yu and incin for their offensive pressure

[autumn vault]

AG -> Uber -> OU -> UU -> RU -> NU -> PU -> ZU -> Untiered

[autumn vault]

Only similarities are defensive properties

Like defensive stats and typing

[south shuttle]

im glad inciniroar is nu in singles

[polar canyon]

My all time favorite pokemon was pu last gen

At least not zu

[south shuttle]

it deserves that tier after what it's done to vgc

[sharp cobalt]

Dont trash talk my boy/girl

[polar canyon]

Ou plays so differently from vgc

[sharp cobalt]

DOU or OU?

[polar canyon]

All about switching and predicting

[autumn vault]

*Gendered Lava Cockroach

[craggy dagger]

teehee-
@autumn vault @polar canyon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136831342

[sharp cobalt]

Oh, yeah

[polar canyon]

Singles ou

[south shuttle]

ou is goated

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah its a massive amount of switching and considering what your opp might do

[autumn vault]

ANOTHER PLAYER WHO PLAYS ZEKROM?!?!
Thats super rare!

[molten oasis]

[sharp cobalt]

Try monotype and run grass, you auto-lose alot of MUs

[craggy dagger]

it’s specs but meh-
still zekrom right?

[south shuttle]

tried mono grass starters in nat dex

[autumn vault]

I feel very bad

[south shuttle]

did not end well

[polar canyon]

Double tailwind setter lead goes hard

[sharp cobalt]

You get mega Venus, that's something

[autumn vault]

Yes

Just a shittier one

[molten oasis]

lol

[south shuttle]

i used mega sceptile

[sharp cobalt]

I tried HO grass mono with specs Helectroode. I missed Chloroblast twice in a row. I was very annoyed

[willow vault]

Welcome back

[sharp cobalt]

Why

Whyyyyyy

[craggy dagger]

results speak for themselves-
also i just started zekrom so like-
ofc you’re gonna have more wins ig?

[south shuttle]

bc its awesome?

[autumn vault]

Drago definetely would want to drop the 🖕 on you ngl

[sharp cobalt]

Mega Venusaur is literally the best thing mono grass uses

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/sceptile-pokemon-posing-ready-to-fight-mega-evolution-gif-5483093

[sharp cobalt]

Mega Sceptile isnnt ever considered

[autumn vault]

True

[sharp cobalt]

Cuz its just not good

[autumn vault]

But you can work with SpA Zekrom, its been done before

[sharp cobalt]

Hell if you want an offensive grass mega, you run Mega Aboma

[autumn vault]

Just, not to it's full potential

[south shuttle]

take a leaf storm to the face

and its pretty good

[sharp cobalt]

Mega venus eats it and sludge bombs it

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/linokisser-gif-reaction-tiktok-alien-gif-21656547

me resisting the urge to tell people off

[sharp cobalt]

Compared to Mega venus, its ass

I mean this in the nicest way possiible

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 254: Sceptile-Mega

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Lightning Rod

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/75/145/85/145

Total

630

Base Species

Sceptile

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

My best memory with mega venu was a 6-0 I got with it in a draft league

[molten oasis]

ok that gif is fucking hilarious

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 3: Venusaur-Mega

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Thick Fat

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/123/122/120/80

Total

625

Base Species

Venusaur

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

bulky, with thick fat too damn

[bold geode]

Ok so in case this hasn't been explained, what I was gonna say before the fuckin rush at work

Technically Heatran is weaker
Cuz both can tera out their weaknesses, but key difference is that technically Heatran takes more damage from CC 100% unless you have another Pokemon with Intimidate due to the fact at points, Incineroar is only taking -1 Close Combats while unless you've cycled Intimidate, Heatran is taking them neutral all the time

[polar canyon]

Thick fat on a grass type is huge

[sharp cobalt]

Exactly

[molten oasis]

cc from what?

[bold geode]

Urshifu

[dapper crag]

Ability: Thick Fat

If a Pokemon uses a Fire- or Ice-type attack against this Pokemon, that Pokemon's offensive stat is halved when calculating the damage to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

ic

[sharp cobalt]

If you run only grass types, Venus nullifies like 4 weaknesses on its own

Fire, poison, ice, bug all do neutral dmg

You havve Ferro for the flying typess

[polar canyon]

I should try draft leagues again someday

[molten oasis]

i wish grass dragon wasnt actually an awful typing

[polar canyon]

It plays really interesting since you know exactly what the opponent will be able to use

[sharp cobalt]

And here's monograss VR when both Sceptile and Venus-mega were ann option. Look who isn't ranked

[molten oasis]

hydrapple wouldn't suck otherwise

[sharp cobalt]

Beats grass/bug

[molten oasis]

well, it be a little better

[bold geode]

Like sure Surging Strikes go thru attack drops, but like
Usually for both, you would like to tera possibly
So I think the factor is how easy one can take Close Combat, and Incineroar can do it easier due to the fact it has Intimidate while Heatran would need a partner with it in order to do same thing

[autumn vault]

Guess what pokemon is part of stall and became a nightmare in singles?

[south shuttle]

why is serpior that low

[polar canyon]

Where rilla

[autumn vault]

Used in both OU and UU

[strange fjord]

Pikachu isnt ranked smh

[sharp cobalt]

Gen 7

[bold geode]

Plus the fact that Incineroar has way more value especially in this meta, and yeah lol

[molten oasis]

but then i have to play stall and singles

[sharp cobalt]

Im not sure

[craggy dagger]

there’s another win in the bag-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136834735-aviljv1zafu76t35wn6e7s3lr45t7z1pw

[autumn vault]

Ik about you and your beef with singles

[south shuttle]

i guess they dont fear contrary

[autumn vault]

No need to say anything

[sharp cobalt]

I mostly ran the top 4, Cradily and then would switch it up

[dapper crag]

Move: Leaf Storm

Lowers the user's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

my beef with singles is with being si- i mean singles seems boring

[bold geode]

The only niche I can ever see Heatran doing rn is having a Ghost or Fire tera to wall Koraidon, but even then you already have Chandelure and Ceruledge

[south shuttle]

its just draco meteor but grass

[craggy dagger]

i think i like specs zekrom

or maybe it’s just the team-

[sharp cobalt]

I think it has to do with smth else. Grass mono has very tight spots; most are stally members (Venus, Ferro) with some offensive options that offer coverage (Celebi, Tapu Bulu)

[autumn vault]

And i guess skeledirge since it does get yawn and willowisp/STAB hex

[mighty stump]

Use it so you never miss Origin Pulse

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/863dca6383bbd5fc

[autumn vault]

But yeah for those 2 specifically you run ceru or chand

[polar canyon]

Try it with mirai and you'll know if it's the team

[mighty stump]

Or Precipice Blades

[sharp cobalt]

Serperior just doesn't offer coverage, or very little

[molten oasis]

you're so right

[craggy dagger]

ohh true

[sharp cobalt]

It was mostlly good in the uhm. Mega Sab MU

[south shuttle]

but serpior can spread paralysis

[sharp cobalt]

But Id bank on luck for those anyway

[south shuttle]

with sub glare

[willow vault]

And hydrapple gets dragon cheer, Palkia rejoice

[craggy dagger]

what-
spread para?

[autumn vault]

Shit team that you can somehow find success with

[molten oasis]

time to not play in game ladder so i can play the ladder with kyogre hydrapple

[sharp cobalt]

Eh, I just remember not running it often

[molten oasis]

oh i need to submit my teamlist

[polar canyon]

Glare

[autumn vault]

Glare is 100% accurate btw

[craggy dagger]

upset that i can make zekrom work and you can’t?

teasing asides-

[polar canyon]

Damn that's mean

[autumn vault]

I got to 1300 elo with it, you haven't scratched 1100 elo

[sharp cobalt]

I was boutta say, be nice to Lycopoky

[autumn vault]

?

[craggy dagger]

i was just teasing you

i know it’s a bs team

[autumn vault]

Thanks to MK8D Competitive and Showdown chatrooms i kind of got used to it

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to pocketpoof

[autumn vault]

Fuck you

[willow vault]

ha

[autumn vault]

Atleast Sylriam deserves it

[willow vault]

could be worse

[autumn vault]

Even if i didn't do it intentionally

[sharp cobalt]

The gen rep?

[polar canyon]

Mk8 chatroom sounds like hell

[autumn vault]

Yes, why?

[sharp cobalt]

Thankks

[craggy dagger]

tbf-
low ladder is worse cause of all the cts stuff they pull off

[strange fjord]

maybe ill try and make a zekrom team and see how high i can reach

[polar canyon]

Imagine getting spammed with skill issue when you complain at blue shell or lightning

[willow vault]

skill issue...

[autumn vault]

MK8D competitive isn't really friendly in my experience

[sharp cobalt]

[molten oasis]

i wonder how far i could get with hydra kyogre

[autumn vault]

Thanks to that game i regained my anger issues i still have today

[sharp cobalt]

Play League, its a blast

[willow vault]

no

[sharp cobalt]

Ive been called an e-girl very often

[polar canyon]

There actually are meta strats around lightning I think

[willow vault]

I haven't

[sharp cobalt]

Well not that often actually, but it has happened

[autumn vault]

Ik that

[molten oasis]

oh yk what, i should probably be playing kyogre in general

if im gonna go play zacogre

[autumn vault]

people for some reason have a blast with Competitive MK8D but in my experience it is too luck based and the fanbase isn't so kind either

[willow vault]

yeah in mkwii only one person could get the lightning so they intentionally had one person bag, to get the lightning, super power strat

on each team

[craggy dagger]

you can lightning dodge still no?

[autumn vault]

I think you should if you want a good start to ZacOgre in 3 months

[autumn vault]

Yes

[polar canyon]

The fact you can see what items people are holding in 8

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[willow vault]

yeah but its much easier for teamates to dodge with good comms

[polar canyon]

You can see who has lightning

[sharp cobalt]

How

[autumn vault]

Ik that

[willow vault]

star, bullet bill

[autumn vault]

Bullet Star idk more

[polar canyon]

Or like falling off the map

[sharp cobalt]

Thats not dodging tho, thats immunity

[willow vault]

well that is a dodge...

[autumn vault]

People time it very well so it counts

[polar canyon]

Falling off the map is time loss but sometimes lighting is more

[autumn vault]

That too

[autumn vault]

*sometimes you gain more thanks to lightning

[polar canyon]

Boo too

[sharp cobalt]

Boo

hoo

[willow vault]

usually its hitting yourself with an item like a green shell, to avoid blue shells which is cool to me

[autumn vault]

You only avoid the stun

You still get affected by it's purpouse

[polar canyon]

Also holding a coin in your hand with a banana in the back in case of boos

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah, the horn and mushrooomm work better

[polar canyon]

Mushroom needs timing

[willow vault]

still saves time though

[sharp cobalt]

That timing is so easy tho

[autumn vault]

For blue shell? Yes

[autumn vault]

Correct

[polar canyon]

Still needs practice for consistency

[autumn vault]

Better to be shocked when you are in your i-frames then without them

[sharp cobalt]

Neh, nailed it first try

[craggy dagger]

@chrome knot how do you dodge lightning in mk8d-

[autumn vault]

You can time it when it shows it's bottom part, when you know that timing then it is very easy to do it consistently

[willow vault]

In mkwii you could also dodge a blue by suddenly changing directions with certain walls on maps

[autumn vault]

Emma we already told her btw

[craggy dagger]

oh

[chrome knot]

ghost star or bullet

[sharp cobalt]

Mood

[polar canyon]

You can tell dodging with mushrooms is an intended feature because if you're going backwards and use the mushroom, you don't go fast enough to evade the explosion but still don't get hit

[sharp cobalt]

[chrome knot]

yes blue shell dodges are intentional…

[polar canyon]

I think that's neat

[sharp cobalt]

[polar canyon]

It could very well not be

[chrome knot]

they are..

[willow vault]

Well yeah a mushroom gives dodge frames

[autumn vault]

Ehh

[chrome knot]

not how it works

[willow vault]

Isn’t it?

[autumn vault]

When you mushroom but the shell targets another player it still hits you

[chrome knot]

change in momentum clears you of the targeted space

[autumn vault]

When the shell targets you then you can dodge it

[sharp cobalt]

Idk how it works, but I dodge bluue shells with shrooms

[willow vault]

Oh yeah

[autumn vault]

when it doesn't then you cant if you are in the radius

[polar canyon]

If only you could get mushrooms in first

[sharp cobalt]

[willow vault]

You right, my brain just remembered it wasn’t invincibility frames, very different things

[autumn vault]

From afar this looks mad, when you zoom in it looks neutral

[craggy dagger]

[sharp cobalt]

Seaking is mad because its power is contained

[polar canyon]

Lightning rod seaking

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/its-too-much-expressive-cant-contain-the-feels-gif-17801554

[sharp cobalt]

But yeah I love Seaking after uusing it in a game for most of my run

[autumn vault]

Thats like saying Banded Urshifu Rapid Strike is a good idea, just don't use it

Unless bias ig

[sharp cobalt]

It was always kinda meh for me, but then I had to use it and it did very well, 10/10 would use again

[mighty stump]

Whats wrong with Banded Watershifu

[sharp cobalt]

It bonk

[autumn vault]

When i tried it in Reg E it didn't feel that good, i was using a salamence team and in tailwind from torn it could definetely do numbers, its just that the numbers are less consistent than Banded Urshifu-S (12% of urshifu Single run Band, 2% of rapid run Band)

[sharp cobalt]

[autumn vault]

Rain + tera + Mystic water already does big damage but doesn't lock you

And scarf outspeeds CSR which is quite good for it

[craggy dagger]

okay lycopoky-
what does usage rates have to do with the pokemon being good

[mighty stump]

Sure, I don't disagree

But I don't see the application of those statistics

[torn parrot]

Eeeeeeeeeeeee

[autumn vault]

Also i forgot, it has 1.494% usage specifically

[craggy dagger]

stats are just how much ppl use them-
doesn’t mean that it’s bad

[autumn vault]

It is true statistics doesn't represent how good a pokemon/item actually is

And the meta can disfavour it a lot

[chrome knot]

lurantis time

[autumn vault]

But it didn't feel very nice when i used it

Atleast compared to when i used Mystic Water or scarf comparing to band

[sharp cobalt]

YESSS

[autumn vault]

Cosmog and Cosmoem:

[craggy dagger]

rocky helm cinderace….????!?!?!?!?!?!?

[autumn vault]

a good chunk pokemon just deserve low usage rates

[sharp cobalt]

Isnt it mostly used as a defensive variant

[autumn vault]

It matters a bit

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Not a lot

[craggy dagger]

these are not-
defensive stats

[autumn vault]

I mean Murkrow was No. 1 in usage in Reg A

[craggy dagger]

[sharp cobalt]

Your point being

[autumn vault]

But it matters

[sharp cobalt]

Where are you evenn finding these item stats for Cinderace

[autumn vault]

Even if its a bit

[sharp cobalt]

I found clear amulet and HDB

[autumn vault]

Munchstats

[sharp cobalt]

What format

[craggy dagger]

pikalytics so prolly stupid

[autumn vault]

Wait where is helm on munchstats?

[autumn vault]

Thats the part where i don't know

[sharp cobalt]

Thats what Im saying

[craggy dagger]

can you not read the header of the image

[craggy dagger]

it says pikalytics

[autumn vault]

Ngl i forgot about it

[craggy dagger]

which is why i’m being confused

[sharp cobalt]

Pikalaytics, you're drunk, go home

[autumn vault]

Novie is always drunk when it comes to cooking up teams

I am honestly impressed at the success she can achieve

Even with those teams

[sharp cobalt]

Novie is?

[autumn vault]

Moonbeam rainbow

[sharp cobalt]

O, hi Novie

My friends call me Poof

[autumn vault]

Pocket Poof, we know

[craggy dagger]

i’m not drunk-
and as for why i can make the teams work-
i understand numbers and the meta well.
it’s rlly not that hard to make teams and pilot them

[sharp cobalt]

I am genuinely curious how many people realize what poof means

[molten oasis]

alr guys, time to cook with hydra kyogre

[sharp cobalt]

Hydrapple?

[autumn vault]

Dissapearence/Dismissal? Because thats what i found in the dictionary

[sharp cobalt]

Stay innocent

[craggy dagger]

maybe some people are just too uncreative to make teams like me that actually work-

[sharp cobalt]

Sounds like me

[craggy dagger]

too zoomed in onto the meta and being worried abt the meta to realize there’s limitless potential in other pokemon-

[autumn vault]

Novie, here is something you can cook with

[craggy dagger]

i already have

[autumn vault]

Also has sunny day

[craggy dagger]

ik

[sharp cobalt]

Novie have you cooked with Garde

[chrome knot]

why can a mushroom summon the rain

[sharp cobalt]

Moist

[molten oasis]

yuh

[craggy dagger]

corviknight also gets rain

[autumn vault]

The spores that it releases are very moist, ig

[craggy dagger]

lycopoky-
i’d be surprised if you found something that i haven’t looked into

[autumn vault]

Are you challenging me?

[mighty stump]

Curse Tera Ghost Snorlax

[autumn vault]

Fine, Thief Spidops ig

Thats something you definetely did not use

[craggy dagger]

that’s something i’ve considered though-

some things i leave bc it doesn’t fit with a team i wanna make

and usually when i go niche i pick something to focus on-
and then make a team around that

[craggy dagger]

tofu-
i think you know more than me-
by a landslide

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/biei2022/status/1798035759305507161?s=46

Biei (@Biei2022) on X

Hello，I'm the Dewgong/Gloom team creator.
I open my team's evs ！

1. original team:https://t.co/DnjwbJj3sF
   2.adjusted team:https://t.co/mtDirBf4Vm
   I have a veido to show how to use this team:https://t.co/pAPC9G9h7f
   Not always rely on OHKO, they're only 30 % accuracy rate !

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 4:55 PM

YOOOO

THE ORIGINAL DEWGLOOM TEAM

[craggy dagger]

gloom-
hm…

[sharp cobalt]

Novie

[craggy dagger]

yus-?

[sharp cobalt]

Have you cooked with... Kingdra

[craggy dagger]

sniper dragon cheer?

[sharp cobalt]

Oooh

I was thinking specs swift swim

[molten oasis]

lost to scarf kyogre lol

[sharp cobalt]

I hope it was a pretty scarf

[dapper crag]

Move: Teeter Dance

Causes the target to become confused.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Targets

All adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Dance

Triggers Dancer.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/0f2386abb27ca874 This is what i am cooking up with for double restricteds

[sharp cobalt]

I like the recipe

[mighty stump]

Biei's video has a very cute charm despite the low production value

[timber falcon]

already?

[timber falcon]

how well did this team do again?

[mighty stump]

1700s beating top players

Top of the ladder last I remember

[timber falcon]

bruh

really can make it work if your good enough huh

[mighty stump]

Well

I can't disagree with her logic

[autumn vault]

I got a bit bored

Plus i can always change it

So theres no drawback to being prepared early

[timber falcon]

true

also in the vid ive notices something which seems to be maybe important for tea mb uilding

theyve mentioned fast mode, slow mode, and trick room

should my team have different mons chosen for different types of games? Apart from MUs?'

[mighty stump]

You’re looking at it too specifically

Look at the bigger picture

Different modes influence different matchups

Oh, I misread

It doesn’t necessarily have to be Fast/Slow/TR/TW

But this comes back to what I said with each Pokemon being a deliberate choice and reason why you chose those sets/moves

[timber falcon]

i think ive been looking a bit too into the meta

[molten oasis]

5-2, lost to the kyogre mirrors

[timber falcon]

i keep forgetting the mons have to work outside of meta cores

[mighty stump]

Keep in mind you need to also actually be able to execute your desired gameplan/tech for it to actually not be a waste of space

For example: My very specific Snorlax

[timber falcon]

ok so dont add them to just kinda fit one role?

[mighty stump]

Its very much non-useful into every other matchup

Barring the ones it was designed for

Which is fine

Because I know I can deal with literally every other MU with my other 5

To me

If you have a solid 4-5 members that deal with other MUs

and you have one or two specific matchups you need to patch

Your final member can be as specific as you want

As long as again, it’s consistently executable in it’s matchup

[timber falcon]

ok thanks ill try and keep these things in mind

[mighty stump]

My blogs are structured the way they are to show the full process of the basics I still use in teambuilding

Its not just about me showing off teams and sets

Its about the logic behind them

[timber falcon]

ill also try make notes for mons whilst making them then, just so i dont forgot why theyre there, which happens a lot

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136869729 pff

[timber falcon]

lol the team

i knew supersweet syrup kyogre could work

[molten oasis]

then i proceed to lose to a para

discharge mirai next to garchomp

[timber falcon]

...

[molten oasis]

its whatever

[timber falcon]

but it can be perfected, can it not?

[molten oasis]

its just a meme team tbf

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone have EV spread for zamazenta ? pikalytic doesn't help

[timber falcon]

nothin wrong with meme team if it can win

also i just found out how to specify words people have said

[molten oasis]

what is with low elo and some weird obsession with sand+gen 8 dogs

[timber falcon]

my smeargle comments are so cringe

[timber falcon]

never seen it

[molten oasis]

i see it a lot more than i should

nah not the ddance fucking ttar

[timber falcon]

💀

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136875208

[bold geode]

I fought someone doing that before on cart and their Landorus Incarnate still had the Therian moveset

[molten oasis]

pff

[mighty stump]

Maybe I should stop procrastinating and finish that teambuilding guide

[molten oasis]

maybe

[timber falcon]

yeah some of us need it

[molten oasis]

memeing is fun

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

its why im tryna get better at building

[willow vault]

Some of us are getting progressively worse at team building

[timber falcon]

just takes le practice

[willow vault]

What if I le hate playing this reg?

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136879632-0bhm5l5cpeu7weh0o8swttkznzjxxh5pw

scarf kyogre is my worst mu lol

i have only lost to it

[timber falcon]

then le person wait until next reg

[timber falcon]

2 turns

[molten oasis]

ah yes tailglow volbeat

and wide guard spamming fucking armarouge

dude literally hasn't clicked a different button

still won tho hehe

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136882200

and back to hating on csr

[willow vault]

Your a genius

[molten oasis]

i did not escape low elo with it quite yet

i hate calyrex players in low elo

protect spam

i could have played better

still annoying

[autumn vault]

I think its a good idea

[craggy dagger]

ditto is-
basically another restricted but with crappy hp

[sharp cobalt]

[craggy dagger]

hehe?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136914456

[autumn vault]

The opponent was very gutsy by keeping pelipper in when zekrom was on the field

[craggy dagger]

i thought it was sash

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136915663-hyx35ee8qzqutp4mmcbc1xzfd2ht54opw

anways-
Specs putting in work

[autumn vault]

The indeedee forgot to get psychic surge

[mighty stump]

JPN Nats usage from Masters

[autumn vault]

Surprised Wo-Chien is even there

ToR does go through Amulet

[craggy dagger]

ik
i was so confused when i saw that

[mighty stump]

Bro really chose to look at the least relevant part of the list

[autumn vault]

Thats literally the first thing i noticed

[mighty stump]

Not that Incin is 6th rather than 1st?

[craggy dagger]

eyyyy
baby chi yu is #14

[mighty stump]

Damn

[autumn vault]

Urshifu-R being the pokemon with the highest usage is interesting

Like Reg D, Tornshifu is the most common duo

[craggy dagger]

im surprised ditto is #35

[autumn vault]

Incin being 6th is, quite interesting

I also did not expect Dragonite to be 26th above Mienshao

Low elo is brainrot

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

Everything about the opponent's team and playstyle are trash

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136922572 I want to ask: why???

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136924371 Although the opponent is rubbish at the game, snow isn't so easy

[sharp cobalt]

Dedue. Oh right, FE3H

[autumn vault]

Don't slander my favourite character's retainer

I am also surprised about this ngl

85% accurate move against something that buffs it's evasiveness by 1.25x

Less accurate than Sleep Powder

[timber falcon]

do moves like counter still depend on resists?

[autumn vault]

Anything that does damage allows counter to return that damage but doubled

Also, only counts direct damage

[timber falcon]

but like does the can the damade vary based on type

[autumn vault]

Only the immunities

It counters even resisted damage

[timber falcon]

the command /dt aint working for me

[timber falcon]

ok thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[graceful flare]

how do I give gen rep

[timber falcon]

any advice?

[solid frigate]

wait which mon is that

[timber falcon]

swampert

[solid frigate]

lemme take a look on Muddy water

[timber falcon]

having to dive deep for this one

[dapper crag]

Move: Muddy Water

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's accuracy by 1 stage.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[timber falcon]

has 85vbase spatck btw

[solid frigate]

but you are using for support

(Offense Support right?)

[timber falcon]

thats what im tryna decide

what to use it for

[solid frigate]

lemme try to brainstorm it

i haven't tried support swampert

it just have very good typing

i think Tera Steel can help him out

[dapper crag]

Swampert [Water/Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Poison, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (4x)

Grass

Type Notes

Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

rilla

hates rilla

[solid frigate]

so Tera Steel is it?

[dapper crag]

- [Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

isn't like every water starters besides Empoleon hates grass-

[timber falcon]

yeah its nice to turn my neutrals into resist too ig

steel it is

[solid frigate]

and you covered it already

[timber falcon]

for the ability i think i get more out of torrent than damp lol

[solid frigate]

Swampert @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Atk / 100 Def / 84 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Liquidation
• Icy Wind
• Wide Guard
• Knock Off

EVs I am not too sure

[timber falcon]

im not a fan of icy wind

all together im leaning towards 3 items, AV and lefties/sitrus

[solid frigate]

maybe Protect? or High Horsepower?

[autumn vault]

1. Stop cooking
2. Pretty sure Swampert has better moves to run
3. Why those moves?

[solid frigate]

offensive support

[autumn vault]

Fair

[timber falcon]

cause theyre the ones i think are most viable rn

[autumn vault]

Interesting, go on

[timber falcon]

i cant name more that would work

[upbeat quail]

People who don’t GG back on showdown are lame 😦

[timber falcon]

counter and mirror coat have been explained, so thats one (and knock)

[solid frigate]

i have thought of Muddy water but idk Low Kick?

[timber falcon]

low kick aint doing anything for me sadly

[autumn vault]

Majority of people don't GG, even i don't

[solid frigate]

Muddy Water is the only thing i can think off

[timber falcon]

muddy water is a no for 3 reasons, doesnt always even hit, swampert has really bad spatck, and even if it gets the 30% chance to lower accuaracy, theres still a roll

[upbeat quail]

People should GG more

[timber falcon]

i think b4 i choose the set i need a team its gonna be for anyway lol

as its looking like support

[solid frigate]

then idk

[upbeat quail]

Low key I’d rather have people be toxic to me in chat on showdown than to say nothing at all. It makes it feel like I’m actually playing against a person.

[timber falcon]

lemme find restricteds it could work with, one sec

4 ones i could think up

top 2 im feeling is lunala or Ho-oh

cause i wanna take the team slowly

but ofc not too passive

[autumn vault]

Ah yes, calyrex's twin Calyres

[solid frigate]

I think Lunala and Zama looks good for Swampy

[timber falcon]

almost perfect spelling this time though

[timber falcon]

i checked most used partners, zama is there and for some reason koraidon, which i decided to ignore

[solid frigate]

pls don't make Gamefreak think about new Calyrex Forms-

[solid frigate]

Koraidon does not work

[willow vault]

Calyrex-fire rider

[solid frigate]

Indy:Calyrex Electric Bike rider

[willow vault]

Oh no

[timber falcon]

ok so it seems top 3 most likely is zama , Ho-Oh and lunala

[willow vault]

Most likely for what?

[timber falcon]

restricteds that i can use with swampert

[willow vault]

Ok

[solid frigate]

i think Lunala can work

[timber falcon]

same

[solid frigate]

speaking of which,should i think about Greninja for that?

[willow vault]

No

[timber falcon]

if u wanna, then go ahead

like swampert itll be hard to do though

[solid frigate]

much harder

[timber falcon]

mhm

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 658: Greninja

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Protean (Hidden), Battle Bond (Special)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/95/67/103/71/122

Total

530

Other Formes

Greninja-Bond, Greninja-Ash

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

the stats are depressing

[timber falcon]

only thing worth looking at is speed lol

[solid frigate]

then it got destroyed by Flutter

Fast Taunt?

with Sash?

[timber falcon]

could work

[solid frigate]

Haze for any stat Boosting

Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Grass Knot
• Water Shuriken
• Chilling Water

idk- like its hard

wait i forgot he has Icy Wind

[timber falcon]

thats a plus

[solid frigate]

Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Grass Knot
• Chilling Water
• Icy Wind

Like this?

fully support?

[timber falcon]

idk about grass knot

[solid frigate]

its for Kyogre mostly

Kyogre and Groudon

but which restricted should i pair with

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 224 HP / 84 Def Lunala: 100-118 (41.6 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO hmmmmmmmmmmmm

hp can go down to 196

[solid frigate]

damn

[willow vault]

Maybe Calyrex-ice great offensive combination

[solid frigate]

oh yeah youe Lunala is bulkier than mine

[solid frigate]

wait who are you refering to-

[willow vault]

You

[timber falcon]

Lunala @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 44 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Dazzling Gleam
• Calm Mind
• Protect

im thinking of this, not much spdef cause CM

and calced to just outspeed pellipers

[solid frigate]

as much as i hate Caly Ice,maybe

[willow vault]

They also have opposite speed stats which makes allows the combo to be a scary sight in tr and tailwind

[solid frigate]

Caly Ice,Indeedee,Greninja combo?

[willow vault]

Why not

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Terapaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[timber falcon]

pikalytics wont show me what happens when terastarstorm hits lunala :/

[solid frigate]

dunno

but you mean stellar or terastal form

[timber falcon]

stellar

im pretty sure it can hit ghost types right?

[next stump]

yes

[timber falcon]

ah so battle calcs just dont do that then

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/51f3d00089dae2e9

done but not too sure

[timber falcon]

why does enamorus have speed?

[solid frigate]

oh yeah it does not outspeed shit outside tr

[timber falcon]

ye

[solid frigate]

Enamorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Springtide Storm
• Draining Kiss
• Earth Power
  Like this?

but its gonna be calm nature

[timber falcon]

why so much defence pump?

planning on living lance????

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

oh hi nova

or novie

[craggy dagger]

call me nova

[timber falcon]

will do

[solid frigate]

I am not sure about Enamours Therian's Defenses

[craggy dagger]

i’m having too much fun with this team

[solid frigate]

Enamorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 248 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Springtide Storm
• Draining Kiss
• Earth Power

[timber falcon]

bro u almost maxed them out like, completely

try some calcing

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/1964700a827c5094

[timber falcon]

pfft lmao

[solid frigate]

i just need it to survive Miraidon with Calm Mind

[craggy dagger]

yes that’s a specs zekrom

[timber falcon]

@autumn vault u gotta see this

how has the team been doing so far?

[solid frigate]

which is impossible

[timber falcon]

i mean u can calc how much u need to live LO astral ig?

and find out how much evs u want on each stat

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. +1 248 HP / 124+ SpD Tera Steel Enamorus-Therian in Electric Terrain: 123-145 (68.3 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Enamorus-Therian: 95-113 (52.7 - 62.7%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[timber falcon]

modest nature?

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2136972045-9cjbkctxu3n8anjwriogyve5dokzrp7pw

[craggy dagger]

he has
he hates it bc it works well

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Enamorus-Therian: 105-125 (58.3 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 248 HP / 124+ SpD Tera Steel Enamorus-Therian in Electric Terrain: 202-238 (112.2 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[timber falcon]

truly a ditto masterclass

[timber falcon]

and that means it lives anything weaker, i think its aight

[craggy dagger]

i think ditto is gonna end up on all my teams-
it’s just-
too good

[timber falcon]

when positioning is

[solid frigate]

yeah i suppose

[timber falcon]

theres a good chance u couldve turned into that farig

[abstract grail]

https://pokepast.es/86d38a0a8cd61b01

Reworked the team because alot of my suggestions were to drop the trick room, and speed invest kom. This look any better maybe?

[timber falcon]

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 36+ SpD Swampert in Rain: 168-198 (81.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO another quick calc

yet to optimise

[craggy dagger]

precipice blades lunala?????

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-let-him-cook-cook-toy-story-woody-gif-27345024

or her

[molten oasis]

What?

[abstract grail]

Oops must've fat thumbed that lol

[craggy dagger]

was gonna say-
you meant protec?

[abstract grail]

Ye

[timber falcon]

Swampert @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Impish Nature

• Liquidation
• Knock Off
• Wide Guard
• Yawn

thoughts?

[abstract grail]

Swamp learns wide guard? I didn't know that

[timber falcon]

yeah, for this meta i think its the best move it got

[abstract grail]

Might switch out lun. For calyrex Shadow, since no psy t. Means no multi target EP

[sharp cobalt]

It hwhat

[abstract grail]

Huh?

[willow vault]

Is there any specific moves sets for Calyrex-s that don’t run max speed? I’ve seen a spread at 7% usage without max speed (3rd most common spread) and I’m trying to determine if I see a specific move spread in ots if I can infer its speed

[sharp cobalt]

Swampert getting wide guard

[molten oasis]

New job secured baybee

[willow vault]

Wooooo

That’s great

[timber falcon]

W

[molten oasis]

Escaped my last job which was hell

[timber falcon]

ok so as a quick test i did 2 games with my swampert team and won em both

https://pokepast.es/4d4f49abf8d782a2 torn was slapped on in case i needed tw or smth

[graceful flare]

Bro finna struggle to death when his clefairy gets taunted💀

[timber falcon]

i can work round that lul

clefairy isnt a planned lead

[bold geode]

What da Drago doin

[molten oasis]

playing new destiny dlc

[next stump]

rank 190 on the ladder "She Paul My Chua" 😭

[molten oasis]

LOL

[timber falcon]

which ladder?

and a random tofu there too

[bold geode]

But job

[bold geode]

Tofu right above them lmao

[next stump]

bo3

[timber falcon]

man how do people do so well with that kinda GXE

[bold geode]

Aight making a new one
"She Wolfe on my Glick until I World Champ Difference"

[timber falcon]

💀

[craggy dagger]

hehehehehehehehe
Zekrom kinda just-
mirai counterplay in certain scenarios bc i can steal terrain boost

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137037709

oops

[timber falcon]

lol

it was gonna happen at somepoint

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137039109 might swap hands for smth that takes care of RS shifu better, it was a real threat here

[timber falcon]

sheesh very nice

[graceful flare]

What ev spread clefairy

[modest flare]

do people like monke

[molten oasis]

no

[calm gulch]

i dont like monke

[bold geode]

@molten oasis fuck you

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137053420
ditto mvp i think

[timber falcon]

I think he’s funny

[timber falcon]

Idk how u manage for ditto to live that long

[lilac sapphire]

Is it better to invest in some bulk on flutter mane or go all in on SPA and Speed?

[timber falcon]

Depends

[lilac sapphire]

I assumed you’d just build full offence but I’m seeing builds with lots of hp and defence investment

[bold geode]

Depends on item/team

[timber falcon]

If ur not running sash then there should be bulk imo

[lilac sapphire]

Ahk so if booster energy you need bulk

[bold geode]

If you're Focus Sash, all in on Spatk and Speed is aight but if not, I'd suggest some form of bulk

[timber falcon]

Especially booster energy

[lilac sapphire]

Is the sash build superior to bulky booster energy? In what situation would you want one or the other?

[timber falcon]

Sash I’d say is good on sun team, but I’d argue specs is better, sash loses to RS shifu, but booster energy outspeeds it and retains a 1.5 speed boost untill it swaps

Booster allows faster icy winds which is very nice and also fast taunts

[graceful flare]

Tailwind brute bonnet being able to spore and make it so the opps can't move

[timber falcon]

But sash allows more spatck investments and ensures u live an attack that would KO when ur full hp

[solid frigate]

tf am i seeing for TW brute bonnet

[graceful flare]

Tailwind plus choice scarf at the same time being able to out speed everything and put them to sleep

[timber falcon]

Just skillswap spore prankster lol

Helps not being locked into spore/countered by tw

[solid frigate]

Trick Room:Free real estate

[craggy dagger]

bc ditto funny

[solid frigate]

i want to try ditto but its hard to slap on what teams

[craggy dagger]

[frigid flume]

Is trick room still viable? I had a decent team on shield but I haven’t gotten into it again yet

[solid frigate]

well i mean with Caly Ice being the best restricted

i would say yea

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/31e6de26ad78b1d6

I cooked something

[frigid flume]

I really wanna avoid super meta teams and try to make my own team but clay has been super consistent

I love enamorus

[solid frigate]

it can work with Enamours

[frigid flume]

I was looking at your team you just posted

[solid frigate]

don't try it yet its not tested still

[frigid flume]

I was running Inci, gothitelle, mimikyu, pory hon 2 and I can’t remember my other ones

Amongus

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmm

[frigid flume]

I brought most of my team over from shield but wanted to finish my dex first

[solid frigate]

sure go ahead

[frigid flume]

I did dexent and in an old discord server I won back to back doubles tournaments but it wasn’t anything crazy in there

[craggy dagger]

i-
huh???

[solid frigate]

also i'm adding Greninja into Caly Ice Team cuz i wanna try Greninja and its my favourite,so i try fast taunt

[craggy dagger]

really sticking to turtles hm

[solid frigate]

i wanna put it with Terapagos but idk

Crephace tell me to pair it with Caly Ice

[craggy dagger]

well…
sure it could work but

[solid frigate]

yeah- i am just testing it-

[graceful flare]

Bros gonna illegally smuggle in a second restricted legendary💀

[craggy dagger]

you can have two restricted wym

[graceful flare]

What

[solid frigate]

in Reg H or if you have a ditto

[craggy dagger]

[graceful flare]

Ohh

It's still reg g

[craggy dagger]

so what-
you can still have two restricteds

via grape flavoured gum

[solid frigate]

wait should i put Ditto in my team cuz Greninja kinda just here for support-

Enamorus is just set up sweeper and Ogerpon is for incin or Chi Yu BS

+1 0 SpA Tera Steel Enamorus-Therian Springtide Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Kek

[craggy dagger]

idk abt setup enam in this meta

[solid frigate]

i made bulky af lol

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 248 HP / 132 Def Tera Steel Enamorus-Therian: 41-48 (22.7 - 26.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

[lilac sapphire]

Thanks for that! So basically on a sun team play sash or specs. On a pivot team play booster. And specs and booster builds require some bulk?

[gentle crag]

slybeggar has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[strange fjord]

Between Tyranitar and Metagross, which of them do you all prefer?

[solid frigate]

Metagross

tho T-Tar is easier to build

[strange fjord]

Oh yeah there's polls on discord

[bold geode]

Nova idk how to tell you this

Greninja is a frog

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

enam

[bold geode]

Ah
I only saw Greninja

[solid frigate]

yeah i just decided to slap Greninja into it

[cyan smelt]

Tortol x 2

[solid frigate]

kek

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137106896

pfft Greninja go brrrr

[cyan smelt]

Coaching zamazenta wut

Also why didn't they have clam on ceruledge

[solid frigate]

dunno

but Greninja is quite Decent with Caly Ice

[cyan smelt]

How does it do against caly s

[solid frigate]

they ragequit when i beat his core strat

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137111129

Greninja the GOAT

[cyan smelt]

Good, muk smeargle players should always lose

[solid frigate]

Greninja is just too good for this

kinda weird they did not FO Greninja

[cyan smelt]

Yeah

Or spore it

[solid frigate]

yeah they spore incin for no reason

they underestimated greninja

[cyan smelt]

Greninja already taunted muk but they didn't spore it

[solid frigate]

idk why

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137117729

Tf

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137119944-yqm3idxhealxeeppiid86heusn8m2iepw

Moment

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2137121746

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/31e6de26ad78b1d6

currently

[bold geode]

@dull ibex imma ask this once

Why did you not Protect and Lunar Blessing
A single time

[dull ibex]

wrong side

[bold geode]

Oh I thought you were still Terapagos playing lol

I was getting so pissed off

[dull ibex]

i go back and forth

vc?

[solid frigate]

?

[dull ibex]

he thougth I was playing like absolutely dogshit

[bold geode]

Sure fuck it
Eating rn, will only have to take a quick shower in a bit

Also look at this chongo

[dull ibex]

im sitting in silence in my other discord

might as well stream if im going to sit in silence lmao]

[strange fjord]

oh streaming your battles?

[solid frigate]

I'm just cooking Greninja Enamours into the Caly Ice team

[cyan smelt]

Enamorus is cool but I don't have a 0 spe one in game

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2137126832-e0pmpdrvq6k4w7htxhbbtcvpofdfngppw

-play terrible
-get in restricted
-win game

[limber marsh]

Would this be the best place to discuss vgc regulation G doubles stuff?

[dull ibex]

yes!

[limber marsh]

Sweet! I'm stepping back in rn, the last time I played was like regulation D I think? Back when urshifu tornadruss was just unstoppable

[craggy dagger]

well i’m with you there so maybe i can help

actually-
don’t take advice from me-
i play too much niche and not enough of the meta

[limber marsh]

Lol well that might work out honestly, I only Really have access to base game scarlet violet pokemon rn, until I can get my old sword data onto the cloud and use it again. And get my copy of diamond from my friend

So I'm strictly playing niche non meta teams lol

[dull ibex]

then I can not help you

[dull ibex]

unless no you don't rentals exist

[solid frigate]

kek

[limber marsh]

@dull ibex I might play around with rental teams, but I get a lot more fun out of using my own mons for it

[craggy dagger]

oh then lmk what you wanna start with-
take any one restricted and we can come up with a team

[dull ibex]

I think niche teams are going to struggle a bit this reg personally

[limber marsh]

Yeahh I'm seeing that the restricted mons are restricted for a reason lol, it was quite a steep jump getting back in

My old team with like extreme speed dragonite and chien pow just got walked over lol

@craggy dagger so my pool of restricteds is pretty slim. I've got koraidon, myraidon, and mewtwo. That's about it

[craggy dagger]

nothing from swsh?

hm

tbf if you wanna get well versed in the meta you can always use rentals

[limber marsh]

Not at the moment, it's all saved locally on my old switch that my brother has, so until I can convince him to go upload it I'm out of luck lol

[spiral ridge]

FUCK MY HOLLOW KNIGHT PFP IS GONE BUT NICE PFP DUDE

I’ve had a Hk pfp for 4 years

[craggy dagger]

so when are you doing vgc again?

[spiral ridge]

You literally told me to wait

You can’t complain of all people

[bold geode]

What

Scotty playing VGC?