I just knew it was in this game was all
#competitive_discussion
willow vault
solid frigate
yeah
candid crest
Something that stood out to me is Endo’s Calyrex-Ice. It’s actually an assault vest set with trailblaze for speed control
solid frigate
Something that stood out to me is Endo’s Calyrex-Ice. It’s actually an assault v...
i saw a few AV Caly Ice which make sense but Trailblaze is meh
candid crest
There were also a couple out of the ordinary sets I’m used to seeing in the west. For example, there was a Miraidon (one of the two in top 8, can’t remember which one) that actually had fairy Tera and dazzling gleam, and I think it still had choice specs. It’s very intriguing to see how these players construct their Pokemon and especially their restricteds.
next stump
most of that difference is because they play closed teamsheet but open tera type
solid frigate
There were also a couple out of the ordinary sets I’m used to seeing in the west...
Fairy Tera D-Gleam is used a lot pre Reg G
candid crest
But that was with flutter mane only, from what I remember. It’s just weird seeing it on a miraidon instead of its usual electric Tera
solid frigate
But that was with flutter mane only, from what I remember. It’s just weird seein...
Miraidon uses D-Gleam Before Specs is gone viral
candid crest
Hm? The grammar confuses me
solid frigate
Hm? The grammar confuses me
basically Miraidon uses Dazzling Gleam in Reg G before everyone uses Specs
(Or its just me)
bold geode
There were also a couple out of the ordinary sets I’m used to seeing in the west...
There were quite a few before Indy that did that
candid crest
basically Miraidon uses Dazzling Gleam in Reg G before everyone uses Specs
(Or ...
Probably just you. I only saw specs with no dazzling gleam and covert cloak sets before Japanese national championships, if I remember correctly.
graceful flare
I just faced off a calurex with calm mind💀
candid crest
Caly shadow?
solid frigate
I just faced off a calurex with calm mind💀
Thats a Valid Set
bold geode
Probably just you. I only saw specs with no dazzling gleam and covert cloak sets...
Never saw a Cloak one, but yeah the Tera Electric set is around
Rajan Bal won Indianapolis with it, and it's just there cuz the multipliers are insane lol
graceful flare
It and my terapagos had a calm mind off💀
candid crest
Thats a Valid Set
However, a bulky set with nasty plot and draining kiss with a sitrus berry took over bologna special event
graceful flare
We both used 5 calm minds and I won
bold geode
Yeah
But there was also one in 4th place I believe in Los Angeles? Tera Fairy Covert Cloak Calm Mind which is a disgusting set
solid frigate
Yeah
But there was also one in 4th place I believe in Los Angeles? Tera Fairy Co...
yes it is
solid frigate
We both used 5 calm minds and I won
What Terapagos Team?
candid crest
Yeah
But there was also one in 4th place I believe in Los Angeles? Tera Fairy Co...
It was Antonio Sanchez’s team, and he finished third.
bold geode
It was Antonio Sanchez’s team, and he finished third.
No I think it was Aditya was his name actually
graceful flare
I was playing pago
candid crest
Yeah. I thought you were talking about bologna, not Los Angeles
bold geode
Yeah, Aditya Subramanian
solid frigate
I was playing pago
But What Team.
bold geode
Had that Calyrex set I mentioned
timber falcon
?
timber falcon
Cloak hmmm
solid frigate
oh yeah i beat that team when i am grinding ladder with my Terapagos Team
timber falcon
Sometimes I forget this is a massive discord server and comp chat is just a small part of it
solid frigate
Sometimes I forget this is a massive discord server and comp chat is just a smal...
mhm
bold geode
Yeah that Caly set is nasty
solid frigate
Then again I too am using jugulis rn
kek
solid frigate
A lot of honse
bold geode
WAIT FUCK
I shared my last Zamazenta team with someone cuz their friend who just started VGC wanted to try Zamazenta
I PLUGGED THE YOUTUBE VIDEO BUT FORGOT TO PLUG MY BLOG
How many views does that post have anyways
solid frigate
I shared my last Zamazenta team with someone cuz their friend who just started V...
F
bold geode
42 damn
So so far in Reg G
In May, I have got 90 views on Reg G related posts
4 views in April and 1 in June so far
Which means that the last big view month was January, which looking at actual post views (not counting views of about me and the page showing my posts) I had 44
Meaning in May I doubled my most viewed month lfg
That makes me happy
And the YouTube video featuring my last Zamazenta team has 120 views so
timber falcon
yoooooo
candid crest
Wrong chat group
bold geode
Eh we go a little off topic sometimes lol
timber falcon
just wanted to share it rq
bold geode
yoooooo
Speaking of which, did the person who was not a good person stop being over PokeRogue?
timber falcon
Speaking of which, did the person who was not a good person stop being over Poke...
idk much about the drama of the devs, im assuming thats what ur talking about
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
strange fjord
just looked at my munchstats website visitors stats and it seems like i got double the people using the site since May 19th-ish. Did anything drop then? Feels like I missed some news or something.
craggy dagger
solid frigate
Replace Urshifu with Grimmsnarl and Chi Yu with Entei
solid frigate
<:DazaiPeek:1244856277905969162>
https://pokepast.es/383eb874f3bb9db2
New Dawn Wings Edited
bold geode
<:DazaiPeek:1244856277905969162>
chrome knot
@craggy dagger 
solid frigate
tortol
little plank
I just can't get into this meta lol
solid frigate
I just can't get into this meta lol
it happens
south shuttle
I just can't get into this meta lol
polar canyon
We live in a world where idbp is not a niche or memey strat
Idk if that was ever a common thing in past gens actually
foggy lodge
We live in a world where idbp is not a niche or memey strat
What does idbp means?
bold geode
Iron Defense Body Press
lofty tartan
Pretty sure IDBP was a thing in some previous gens.
bold geode
Yeah possibly
lofty tartan
I just can't get into this meta lol
I was having some trouble finding a team I really clicked with too, for awhile. Trick is to try a good amount of rentals and find what you mesh with the best.
And don't play in the here and now, in your games. You gotta think ahead.
bold geode
And don't play in the here and now, in your games. You gotta think ahead.
Why would I think?
lofty tartan
To win
bold geode
I was thinking about doing some cart stuff
BUT IT'S ABOUT TO FUCKING STORM AGAIN
cyan smelt
Before zamazenta, registeel was the idbp mon
bold geode
This is like the 3rd or 4th day in a row that it has rained
That time of the year I guess
lofty tartan
I was thinking about doing some cart stuff
BUT IT'S ABOUT TO FUCKING STORM AGAIN
What's that gotta do with playing on cart?
solid frigate
?
bold geode
What's that gotta do with playing on cart?
It's just like
What if power goes out
lofty tartan
Then the power goes out? Not really anything you can control. But that's not a super frequent occurence with rain where you are, is it?
lofty tartan
You're probably fine.
bold geode
The other thing is WiFi possibly going out, which could actually happen like eh y'know
craggy dagger
oh yeah ho-oh is a physical attacker
craggy dagger
idk about entei
lilac sapphire
Any build recommendations for Scrafty? I know he gets slammed by fairy’s but he’s my favourite mon so I want to try and use him in VCG doubles if I can
solid frigate
Any build recommendations for Scrafty? I know he gets slammed by fairy’s but he’...
its a good Fake out user,but i mean,since its the restricted Format it gets wiped
Plus there are more fake out users
lilac sapphire
Yeah I know he does damn
Was thinking about an intimidate fake out set. I know incenroar does it better but I love Scrafty and hate the pro wrestler so might be the go
solid frigate
so you need the restricted to not be a Tera Hog
cuz Scrafty is a Tera Hog
and even if you hate that Pokemon,you might need to deal with it and use it
lofty tartan
But i don't see Orthworm's role into the team
It's something you can safely EQ next to because of Earth Eater, and it lets you shed tail into bulky threats.
That being said, Rillaboom is one of the most prevalent mons in the format so EQ is much much less effective, and Orthworm is quite outclassed in Reg G as a general whole.
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/6da282fbe01d1807
so basically that Caly S team but with Lunala?
and some slight changes?
foggy lodge
Ehh just Lunala balance
solid frigate
fair
foggy lodge
I was thinking in the sets of the mons
I feel like i need High Horsepower on Rilla to help with the Rillaboom Match up
lofty tartan
I'm actually playing a Lunala Balance team right now.
foggy lodge
Why did i say rilla match up it was Miraidon match up omg
lofty tartan
High Horsepower misses a lot of KOs that you'd like it to pick up, and honestly Rillaboom is the best thing into the Kyogre matchup, which is not good for Lunala Balance.
Kyogre is one of the worst MUs you can see.
foggy lodge
Hmmm
lofty tartan
Everything has felt fairly positive except TornOgre.
foggy lodge
Triple pivot would be better?
lofty tartan
I'm playing Grassy, U-turn, Hammer, FO, yeah. We're still playing the Taunt, FO, Knock, Parting Incin, though.
We've tried a few variations of the team - Bolt, Clef, Grimm, etc.
What're your spreads looking like? We're playing a turbo Incin to outpace a few things, and it's a good answer into TR, which the team has very little to say to.
I think Clef with After You is a good TR solution, but I think Life Dew is pretty meh. Heal Pulse gives you a ton of mitigation at 50%
solid frigate
Noice
knotty briar
Feel free to test it out
solid frigate
i swear the luck on some people just ruin shit
i got flinched when i was about to Lunar Blessing
rustic mountain
i swear the luck on some people just ruin shit
gta just limit putting urself in those positions
cant control rng, can control how much of a factor it is. sometimes it will jus get u but if u play well enough it shouldnt matter over a long stretch of games
bold geode
Hello Mr Tree
rustic mountain
yo
solid frigate
gta just limit putting urself in those positions
no i was winning and the water spout crit just ruined my whole game plan,Killing Kyogre and clean the rest
i was at +2 SpD
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Terapagos-Terastal: 81-96 (40 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ik its rng but still
rustic mountain
no? dude yes lmao u literally put urself in a spot where u got outsped and it opened u up to a crit. thats on u. cant blame the game/opponents luck. we all play the same one
that literally just is an example of my point
cant control rng, can control how much of a factor it is
also originally it was dark pulse flinch, now its a crit
at a certain point u gta look at wat ur doing
solid frigate
no? dude yes lmao u literally put urself in a spot where u got outsped and it op...
how am i suppose to tailwind when my Torn died-
like i don't think its like my problem i played it very well until that crit got me,
And i have No Ogerpon to help me,Amoonguss aint do things himself
rustic mountain
sure sometimes it happens, like ive had stuff happen like that too but if i look back, theres def plays i couldve made that didnt put me in that spot even if i wouldve won otherwise
solid frigate
its not my gameplan's Problem
rustic mountain
how am i suppose to tailwind when my Torn died-
like i don't think its like my ...
letting ur torn die and not having speed control for the late game and calm minding instead
like ur actively contributing to the board state u were in
thats how it works
solid frigate
letting ur torn die and not having speed control for the late game and calm mind...
I calm Minded twice in both turns.
first two turns to be exact
i even Tera'd Terapagos Just in case if Terastal form can't handle it
rustic mountain
dude idk wat else to say tbh. i think the sentiment of oh rng screwed me only works for so long until u stop and actually look to ur own play and decision making and see wat can be improved on. theres always room to get better. otherwise ur jus gna b in a loop of thinking other ppl have better luck then u
solid frigate
because ITS ACTUALLY THE RNG SCREWED ME OVER
Wait my torn did not die if i recall
i was 4 against 3
and how am i suppose to outspeed when both of the tailwind still up
rustic mountain
sometimes yea rng just happens and u lose but still theres def things u prolly couldve done/accounted for that didnt let a spout crit lose u the game. sure 90 something percent of the time ull win, but what separates good from great players is minimizing even that small remaining percent as much as possible
solid frigate
so basically the game state
Terapagos and Cresselia against Whimsicott and Kyogre
Both Tera'd Both still have Tailwind up,both Helping handed their restricteds
Kyogre goes first,Tera Water Water Spout
rustic mountain
im not really interested in the play by play tbh
molten oasis
solid frigate
i was explaining that situation
rustic mountain
yea im jus saying like, it doesnt make what im saying any less true
whether u wanna take that suggestion is on u
rustic mountain
prolly not the move tbh
solid frigate
normally i would be fine if i lose to that i just like wow lucky them
cuz i been in worse scenarios before
rustic mountain
i think like actively seeing what led to that position is more important regardless
having tw up to match theirs if they still outspeed jus seems like why even for one
solid frigate
i will blame myself if i play it badly but that+5am VGC
Dude i am not fine 
rustic mountain
and jus generally w/ cm set up gameplan ur going to be open to more crits unfortunately
same w/ like any screen/set up teams
solid frigate
i'm just gonna sleep or prepare for school for the next 3 hours
like i can't play games after getting lucked twice
(Ok the vs Miraidon team i blame myself for not played well)
bold geode
<:WolfeGLurk:1231328409020534815>
So how long
molten oasis
first match he gets 2 crits that mattered so much
bold geode
Bro who even plays Wolfe's Calyrex variant anymore lmao
Lost cuz it was that shit and was thinking it was Tera Fairy
molten oasis
3 crits, like, why does my opponent have enhanced crit rate
they always got a focus energy before the battle starts
solid frigate
they always got a focus energy before the battle starts
literally.
molten oasis
i am so sick of losing to crits today like wtf
power herb fucking archaludon, CLICK RAIN DANCE ON YOUR TORN WEIRDO
solid frigate
i am so sick of losing to crits today like wtf
dude i rant about this and i get blamed to be my fault-
solid frigate
SUCKER PUNCH OFFENSIVE GRIMMSNARL
yeah i don't know why you can rant scot free-
molten oasis
why are people so fucking weird
solid frigate
why are people so fucking weird
low Elo?
molten oasis
im in 1500's
lofty tartan
Because it's CTS and not everyone plays optimal sets.
solid frigate
im in 1500's
yep they are cooking
molten oasis
ashes, they are cooking ashes
solid frigate
sigh
solid frigate
ashes, they are cooking ashes
i am still in pain for that Kyogre Crit
lofty tartan
You should move on, though. Dwelling on it doesn't help you
molten oasis
i am, just been back to back cts cheese
cyan smelt
Eh I'm not gonna complain about rng when my Draco meteor crit on miraidon to win me the set against someone the other day
molten oasis
torn, wtf
lofty tartan
I had a Lunala behind Reflect get ko'd by a -1 Ceruledge and Shadow Sneak because it crit. It happens 🤷
I put myself in that position when I didn't Tera
solid frigate
I put myself in that position when I didn't Tera
at least you have a choice
I don't,I have to attack otherwise if i protect,the Whimsicott is gonna ruin my life with Encore
lofty tartan
I'm not gonna rehash the thing from earlier.
cyan smelt
Bo3 doesn't have any CTS shenanigans and I think it's helped me be a better player
lofty tartan
That wasn't even what he was telling you, but you're hard-focused on it when you 100% should move on.
You're getting bitter over nothing.
cyan smelt
Staying up all night playing vgc is not gonna help you tilt less
molten oasis
i won a game, now i go on break cuz god cts ladder was miserable today
solid frigate
Staying up all night playing vgc is not gonna help you tilt less
i just fucking woke up in 5 am
craggy dagger
molten oasis
just, so many crits against me
i lost to 2 blastoise cuz they were both running spout
and then, other cheese things, that was awful
never again plz
solid frigate
and then, other cheese things, that was awful
honestly drago,if i can't rant about crits then why are you-
solid frigate
Why are you still complaining about that?
like i almost never rant about crits
but Drago does that all the time
does that feel like unfair?
lofty tartan
Tree literally wasn't saying "don't rant about crits"
He was offering legitimate advice and you snuffed it, now you're still on about it like at least an hour later.
solid frigate
Tree literally wasn't saying "don't rant about crits"
he said i played the game with flaws when i don't have a choice
lofty tartan
If you have an issue with it, bring it up to the mods or move on.
molten oasis
…ok then, can’t be mad about losing half of my games to my opponents having focus energies
Whatever, gonna walk it off
lofty tartan
^^^
solid frigate
so everytime is my fault.
lofty tartan
No one is saying that either.
solid frigate
everytime
molten oasis
No it wasn’t in your control
lofty tartan
You seriously need to let it go.
solid frigate
EVERY FUCKING TIME
molten oasis
Me taking a break, plus new destiny dlc tomorrow
So, I’ll play again on Wednesday maybe
cyan smelt
i need to build my team in-game
mighty stump
The fuck happened
mighty stump
Oh I see
Torrent is upset cause Tree just gave some advice cause you complain about RNG a lot
Cool
New rule
No more excessive ranting in this channel about RNG
Suck it up
charred saddle
i got RNGed with my exam. got a good RNG and had a close lecturer as my proctor
lilac sapphire
This is a scrub question sorry - does a pokemon get the boosted ev benefit of a power item even if they are not the lead pokemon? I know the party gains EVs rn but wasn’t sure about that interaction for boosted EVs
charred saddle
wdym with that? EV is somethhing that sticks to the pokemon. unlike stat buff
mighty stump
Honestly, I’m not sure. I use Vitamins exclusively since its more accurate
I would say you do get the bonus
charred saddle
u can train all 6 mon in one go if u EV train manually, its just hrder to keep track off
charred saddle
i only do manual EV train when i wanna do max EV as in 252, so i dont need to count it
mighty stump
I only use vitamins/mochi/feathers lol
charred saddle
u can count it but its tedious to keep track off 6 different mons
mighty stump
I have never manually trained since Gen 8
charred saddle
vitamins and mochi + feather is easier but it costs a bit if u dont grind
molten oasis
No more excessive ranting in this channel about RNG
I have other places to rant
mighty stump
Good for you
craggy dagger
No more excessive ranting in this channel about RNG
ranting is just a skill issue-
just don’t get mad in the first place 
molten oasis
Ty
charred saddle
vitamins and mochi = 10 EV to corresponding stats
feather = 1 EV
lilac sapphire
Fair enough, I was thinking about manual grinding to save a bit, what’s the best way to get vitamins and mochi?
Chaney supply I assume
cyan smelt
let me just google how much power items give you, but i'm pretty sure all mons in your party get the IVs
*EVs
i think it's +8 evs with power item
charred saddle
Fair enough, I was thinking about manual grinding to save a bit, what’s the best...
u can buy vitamins for 10k each, so for each mon for max EVs cost u 520k 
lilac sapphire
Yeah I thought that was how it worked, if you just track with power items manual grinding seems fine
charred saddle
well theres certain events where the raid mons drop vitamins but yeah, its grindy
charred saddle
no, u need to put them for all 6 mons
lilac sapphire
That’s what I’m asking yeah, I’m not sure
charred saddle
oh ye ye
cyan smelt
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonBDSP/comments/rme2pa/do_power_items_work_for_all_pokémon_in_the_party/ for bdsp but still relevant
charred saddle
EV sticks with EXP gain
lilac sapphire
So in theory, if they’re in party but holding the item they should get +8
cyan smelt
you could save before you try it and do one battle to check if the evs change
lilac sapphire
Yeah good idea, thanks
strange fjord
isnt it 8 EVs + EV from the wild Pokemon?
cyan smelt
yeah that's right
lilac sapphire
Yeah there is a list online that says the best ones to farm
strange fjord
So careful not to miscount bc you forgor about the wild EV
cyan smelt
marriland has a good ev calculator, lemme find it
charred saddle
do you really want for 6 pokemons to have the same exact EVs tho
thats what i mean as tedious
lilac sapphire
If you group Mons (I.e. multiple physical sweepers) it seems pretty time effective and cheap
cyan smelt
charred saddle
multiple physical attackers doesnt really mean like they want to have the same spread
craggy dagger
that’s what the item printer is for
charred saddle
like ie. 2nd bump rilla 196 EV adamant, and other u wanna put 252 on gambit
strange fjord
Personally, I just use my Ability Patch (Money) Printer courtesy of Blue Berry Academy's League Club for money and just buy Vitamins.
charred saddle
like would u even count it right at exact 196, and then stop and continue gambit
it seems so tedious
timber falcon
uh
how do i beat kyogre core
i gottam remake team cause i completely forgot i need to deal w that
cyan smelt
bolt or rilla usually
strange fjord
Rillaboom forces grass tera if they have it, Torn hits bleakwind if it does tera
strange fjord
similarly, you can run Raging Bolt instead of Rilla for similar results
timber falcon
oo bolt does look nice into it
strange fjord
In front of raging bolt, and torn, kinda dont want kyogre out. use that to your advantage and such
timber falcon
so at the same time ill need to make sure bolt is alive
for kyogre
https://pokepast.es/d2f4a43beffb7760 i think with that, the team doesnt have to be remade, unless theres another MU im missing once again
mighty stump
Rotom-Wash would have been useful here huh
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/d2f4a43beffb7760 i think with that, the team doesnt have to ...
Interesting
timber falcon
Rotom heat is gonna swap out, but I’ll think of what for after school
craggy dagger
you really wanna make jugulis work
craggy dagger
hm that’s fair
azure ether
Any idea what the evs are for Sitrus berry CalyS?
craggy dagger
sitrus caly s…
def a more uncommon set
i’d just experiment with EVs since it’s not something that’s been explored as much as sash, specs, or scarf
mighty stump
Bulk
But depends
If I remember I had the EVs for it somewhere
Just know it's important to outspeed base 135s.
Calyrex-Shadow @ Covert Cloak
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 100 SpA / 156 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Astral Barrage
- Draining Kiss
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Mine is something like this, just change Covert Cloak for Sitrus Berry
I saw others were something like Modest
azure ether
Can CM be interchangeable with Nasty Plot?
mighty stump
Yes.
azure ether
i’d just experiment with EVs since it’s not something that’s been explored as mu...
I honestly thought it was already known since it was all over the Bologna stream
mighty stump
I just found out I take up a bunch of slots on the Repository LOL
mighty stump
I honestly thought it was already known since it was all over the Bologna stream
Well performing teams would be left up to interpretation most of the time since the user probably wants to have a repeat use
abstract grail
I'm building a komo-oh trick room team inspired by Wolfe, and I am having so much fun. I will say though SV does not feel as good in a non open sheet format.
Feels good too finally make a team I think is both really fun, unique and viable.
https://pokepast.es/1f6f32cc902b04aa
Any recommendations for a 6th mon?
Having my Psychic Surge being shut down by rilaboom is the only issue I've been having so maybe something to help with that? But really I'm very happy with these 5 so I'm not too sure.
cyan smelt
you could try replacing psychic on indeedee for skill swap
cyan smelt
also tera dark for durshifu and adamant nature
mighty stump
That Incineroar set is also kind of wasting EVs
Lunala also gets semi-walled by Normal types
abstract grail
I don't think that Kommo-o set is correct
I really like the Kommo-o set, it's working wonders for me.
mighty stump
Going for an omni-boost with no speed investment with a -spe nature will still put you at a point to not be able to use TR effectively.
Not everything on a TR team has to be 0 Spe.
Kommo-o also has depressing offensive capabilities compared to the IDBP set
abstract grail
I've tried the BP build and so far I'm getting much more milage from this. (You're probably right on incineroar I'm still not super experienced with him)
mighty stump
It seems inefficient going for a setup at the cost of HP in front of a very spread move HO meta. WG is only a bandaid sometimes since it pins one of your slots
You need Speed investment.
abstract grail
I guess the speed could be nice after the 5 turns
mighty stump
Again, not everything on a TR team has to play in TR nor be set with TR.
A lot of TR teams has different modes
On the likelihood that someone is able to prevent TR
abstract grail
I get what you're saying definitely, I mostly have Urshi for that case (will probably change his evs tho)
A 6th team member could also contribute towards that hole, I'll toy around with giving Kom- more speed though, I could see the use case now that you mention it.
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/620b16d21a091f3b
any advice? 
mighty stump
I would also probably recommend some sort of Amoonguss switch-in for a 6th.
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/620b16d21a091f3b
any advice? <:bruh:1161176614944649236>
Thunderbolt over Focus Blast
Lol
abstract grail
Whats the process you guys use for determining the best evs if you don't mind me asking? I think that's what I'm struggling with most, I think I'm pretty decent at team comp, but evs is still kinda rough for me. I try and have them counter issues I might have or annoying meta picks but other then that not sure.
abstract grail
I would also probably recommend some sort of Amoonguss switch-in for a 6th.
U mean someone who can switch in on amoongus spores or a member who plays a similar role to amoong, sorry- might be misread that.
mighty stump
Deciding your EVs depends on the Pokemon and Team.
- You want to use your EVs to be maximising the role of your Pokemon
- Those same EVs can also influence your matchups/gameplans by being aware of your calcs
mighty stump
U mean someone who can switch in on amoongus spores or a member who plays a simi...
The former
abstract grail
Hmm, how does Prankster work it trick room? Not at all-? Or...
mighty stump
I do not recommend Prankster unless you're going Grimmsnarl on this team comp. and by then, only Screens
abstract grail
I was considering snarl yeah for Taunt but
mighty stump
Priority brackets are a different matter to speed. Despite being dependant on Speed
You have Psychic Terrain. It's very conflicting to attempt Prankster moves that target the opposition unless you opt to not bring Indeedee-F
It's also not exactly a switch-in
charred saddle
Thunderbolt over Focus Blast
hmm idk i kinda can understand tbolt but i just dont have great answer to zama, ill try out tbolt
abstract grail
Right.
mighty stump
hmm idk i kinda can understand tbolt but i just dont have great answer to zama, ...
If its Zama you don't care lol
You just Shadow Ball
You don't have to hit Zama SE
charred saddle
right fuck why didnt i think of that 
bro i lost a game due to focus blast miss fuck
i couldve just shadowball twice
abstract grail
Anyone specific in mind? I might try and find a obscure pick 🗣 my consistency is no consistency 🗣🔥
mighty stump
Enamorous-Therian.
sharp cobalt
Grill
abstract grail
That's such a fun concept
sharp cobalt
Calling girls grills?
abstract grail
Making a fourth genie member but instead of a guaranteed boy legendary it's (I think) the first guaranteed female legend? (Not counting mythicals)
cyan smelt
i'm watching some games and i'm seeing more of sitrus berry caly-s
mighty stump
How do you feel about that
cyan smelt
might need to put AV on ting-lu after all
solid frigate
might need to put AV on ting-lu after all
bulk moment
cyan smelt
and they're carrying psychic or draining kiss for terapagos
mighty stump
They always have
cyan smelt
true
knotty briar
Making a fourth genie member but instead of a guaranteed boy legendary it's (I t...
Cresselia
knotty briar
It's been on my doubles team since home came out
knotty briar
da bess Sinnoh Sub Legendary (Hot take)
Also glad to see another xenoblade fan here
solid frigate
Also glad to see another xenoblade fan here
wait how did you not seen it before-\
knotty briar
I've completed xenoblade 2 once
Original xenoblade is by far my favorite game of all time
solid frigate
I've completed xenoblade 2 once
Original xenoblade is by far my favorite game of...
done that twice on XC2
depression
knotty briar
Don't get me wrong, I still really enjoyed waifublade chronicles 2, but you just can't beat the original imo
solid frigate
Don't get me wrong, I still really enjoyed waifublade chronicles 2, but you just...
respect
knotty briar
The definitive edition was immaculate
solid frigate
but XC2's Story is the easiest to understand but i like it nonetheless
solid frigate
i mean half of my team in my Terapagos Team are XC2 references
https://pokepast.es/2c71dfd01f5f16c1
solid frigate
Lunar blessing has clutched up many battles for me
its a great move
and yes their nicknames are my top 3 fav blades in here
knotty briar
Gotta go with Pyra, then Xenobia, then Kos-mos
solid frigate
Kosmos is broken but i get you
knotty briar
Took me forever to get that 1/1000 but she is so satisfying to use
solid frigate
i got jumpscared by that
solid frigate
Best character btw
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
More of a Morag fan for Drivers
knotty briar
Deep inhale That's fine... People can like other characters more than the Zekenator
knotty briar
Lol for real tho Morag is great
solid frigate
mhm
knotty briar
What was your reaction to Nia getting friend zoned by Rex?
I was laughing so hard
Until the xenoblade 3 credits showed me a certain picture
solid frigate
What was your reaction to Nia getting friend zoned by Rex?
i feel bad yet funni
knotty briar
Man doubled and tripled down
solid frigate
Man doubled and tripled down
eh i'm more Pneuma fan so depression hits hard in the ending
knotty briar
Ya know... That's fair
solid frigate
Ya know... That's fair
knotty briar
Welp I got the paper mario thousand year door remake the other day and it's about time I started it
solid frigate
cool
knotty briar
As the Gardevoir in mystery dungeon says...
Au revoir
solid frigate
mhm
cyan smelt
If I put av on ting lu idk what item to put on rilla
cyan smelt
I can't go CB because then I have no fake out on my team so might try clam or miracle seed
cyan smelt
I'll try all three and see which one I like the most
upbeat quail
What should I replace orthworm here with? I like it but it doesn’t do a ton. I was thinking about using a gholdengo
cobalt tapir
I thought she was a mythic?
She’s a legendary
cobalt tapir
Making a fourth genie member but instead of a guaranteed boy legendary it's (I t...
Cresscilla and latias exist
cyan smelt
Heatran too
cobalt tapir
Well heatran can be either, not exactly guaranteed
graceful flare
Why don't they give bulky mons follow me
chrome knot
indeedee is pretty fat
bold geode
indeedee is pretty fat
Hey, she's working on her weight ok
autumn vault
indeedee is pretty fat
They clearly didn't think about Indeedee and Amoonguss, guss doesn't have follow me but rage powder counts
Before i invented Lycopoky i didn't know about Lycoris or Lycoreco, or any Lyco
molten oasis
Why don't they give bulky mons follow me
Indeedee Clefairy and ogerpon are all fairly bulky
Then there’s things like Togekiss that are also fairly bulky
chrome knot
you could say clef & togekiss are fairy bulky
autumn vault
And also Magmar and Electabuzz with an Eviolite
autumn vault
If clef is fairly bulky then those 2 are a bit more bulky
sharp cobalt
I wish we had more friend guard options. We've... 3 I think? 4 maybe?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
sharp cobalt
5! Cleffa/Clefairy, Igglybuff/Jigglypuff, Happiny, Scatterbug/Spewpa/Vivillon and Maushold
autumn vault
5! Cleffa/Clefairy, Igglybuff/Jigglypuff, Happiny, Scatterbug/Spewpa/Vivillon an...
*5 lines of evolutions
Otherwise it would be 9
sharp cobalt
Yeah, thats what I meant
molten oasis
may i fix my statement a little, Ogerpon is a fairly bulky follow me user
then i think indeedee would be next when it comes to bulk
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
very bulky follow me guy there
then an the eviolite guys are super tanky
clef magmar electabuzz
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
graceful flare
Why don't we use eviolite foomgus instead of amoongus
willow vault
Oh eviolite magmar was a vibe, it was so fun. I miss using it
cyan smelt
eviolite foongus when
south shuttle
Why don't we use eviolite foomgus instead of amoongus
a lot lower hp
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
You know having an item is a pretty valuable thing
willow vault
I mean that’s a key part in why Kingambit was better than eviolite bisharp
graceful flare
Is coffee or clefakry better with cm terapagos
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
south shuttle
amoonguss with sitrus is bulkier, probably
why not lo or rh
i mean do those work too
molten oasis
i was talking in the terms of bulk not usable item
south shuttle
bc i run them occasionally
south shuttle
i was talking in the terms of bulk not usable item
oh
willow vault
Oh you meant left overs amoongus, I read lo as Life Orb, I was very confused
south shuttle
why are the stats not aligned
south shuttle
lo is usualy the abbreviation for life orb here, i think
lo makes sense too
willow vault
why are the stats not aligned
Bold vs unbold text
molten oasis
not when the life orb item exists
willow vault
lo makes sense too
It just gets confusing with life orb existing
molten oasis
jsut gets confusing
south shuttle
alr i'll refer to it as lefties then
willow vault
Cool
south shuttle
Bold vs unbold text
for a second it made me think cryogonal had base 135 spatk
molten oasis
imo its clef but comfey is very good with it
sharp cobalt
Why don't we use eviolite foomgus instead of amoongus
both
willow vault
Just depends on the rest of the team around it
I would say clef is generally better but comfee is very good aswell
molten oasis
dude, love lando i amoonguss, i just cant beat it lol
i get through everything else on this guys team then that happens
well i can i just had bad stuff in the back for it
tranquil kraken
bold geode
Skill issue
timber falcon
gws
timber falcon
what do moltres usually run?
charred saddle
tailwind foulplay fiery wrath protect
np is also a set, but idk about it setting up for mediocre damage, also gets air slash for cover
theres also hurricane but, yeah 70%
timber falcon
fire moltres, the OG
charred saddle
oh
craggy dagger
heat wave overheat/roost hurricane/weather ball protect-
charred saddle
just felt like a worse volcarona support?
craggy dagger
timber falcon
oh yeah volcarona exists nvm
charred saddle
flame body is something, but its nothing if they dont hit it
i mean others might have different opinion for it tho
timber falcon
volc seems to be more on the specially defensive side and faster, whilst moltres is overall bulk and slower
idk which is better for caly-i core
charred saddle
if ur moltres ur kinda forced to tera. since u take neutral glacial
u dont get hit by HH, but like its non stab
timber falcon
true, i tried get over the neutral with sitrus for a 3HKO but it has unnerve
sharp cobalt
tailwind foulplay fiery wrath protect
np is also a set, but idk about it setti...
For a hot second there I thought 'Moltres learns foul play?' and then remembered Goltres
molten oasis
heat wave overheat/roost hurricane/weather ball protect-
So like, volcarona
Moltres is also genuinely ass
Id rather MOST fire types
sharp cobalt
Moltres isn't bad, just not good in this meta 
Also MoltrASS
graceful flare
sharp cobalt
graceful flare
Ops on them
Anyways what ev spread terapagos I meant I'm just to used to saying calyrex
molten oasis
Moltres isn't _bad_, just not good in this meta <:KEKdog:1156661248021241966>
~...
But, it is
There’s even a better fire flying type in the meta that can do the same thing, talon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
graceful flare
Moltress 4x weak to rock
timber falcon
Bruh i keep forgetting to bring volc into spore MUs
also ive been seeing a lot of offensive torns lately
sharp cobalt
But, it is
Its bad in VGC but isnt it doing alright in singles currently? I also like following Smogon
timber falcon
yeah cause singles sets mainly PUMP that defence stats through the roof
sharp cobalt
Huh. OU niche, but RU by usage
graceful flare
also ive been seeing a lot of offensive torns lately
Offensive with that 80 accuracy bleakwind storm☠️
sharp cobalt
Hodamn
molten oasis
Its bad in VGC but isnt it doing alright in singles currently? I also like follo...
I’m always talking about vgc
sharp cobalt
I like keeping mildly informed about singles. Its usually quite interesting
graceful flare
Is terapagos the third part of koraidon and miraidon
sharp cobalt
Not sure
molten oasis
Is terapagos the third part of koraidon and miraidon
Idk if they’re connected in the lore
sharp cobalt
Id say not really
molten oasis
Idt they’re connected tbh
Like
Idt calyrex is connected to zacian and zama
Besides they’re all regal
Like, caly was a king, zacian and zama were both as depicted knights I believe
But idt they’re connected
polar canyon
Urshifu is just there
polar canyon
Terapagos is in a way related to miraidon and koraidon
molten oasis
polar canyon
But not as a counterpart
sharp cobalt
Urshifu is just there
Same with Ogerpon
polar canyon
Terapagos is the source of the energy for the time machine
molten oasis
Well
Ogerpon has lore with the loyal 3 and Pecharunt
Urshifu legit is just a stand-alone legendary
polar canyon
The "armor"
Which is a title that really makes no sense and is only there to fit the dlc theme
molten oasis
What does urshifu connect with with
Like, idt it connects with ANYTHING
He’s just a dude
polar canyon
It connects with giving the player a really strong legendary at the end of the dlc
molten oasis
It connects with wreaking havoc on VGC
sharp cobalt
Ogerpon has lore with the loyal 3, but also like, that part is disconnected from the rest of SwSh region
molten oasis
but I also like urshifu so I’m not complaining
sharp cobalt
SV region*
timber falcon
idt urshifu should count as a legend lore wise
polar canyon
It connects with wreaking havoc on VGC
Yeah urshifu and ogerpon both did that as the first wave dlc legend so there's a theme going
molten oasis
Lore wise no, power wise yes
polar canyon
Ogerpon did it a bit less but still did it
timber falcon
its literally a species that lives up in a mountain
molten oasis
Urshifu is the, third best not restricted imo
sharp cobalt
I wonder if we ever meet Kubfu and Ogerpon in their home regions
molten oasis
Behind incin and bolt
craggy dagger
molten oasis
In the format rn
polar canyon
Probably still top 10 among restricted
timber falcon
Urshifu is the, third best not restricted imo
flutter takes that slot imo
polar canyon
Flutter fell off
autumn vault
flutter takes that slot imo
Dont think so buddy
polar canyon
Where's torn
molten oasis
No, even all time id say shifu is top 5
molten oasis
Where's torn
Uh
autumn vault
The best non restricted is easily incin
polar canyon
For sure
timber falcon
just showing usage
molten oasis
Gimme a second to rate the top 10, imo
polar canyon
It makes sense but I still think it's funny that the top 5 has no restricted
sharp cobalt
Guess they're good glue
autumn vault
Raging Bolt is a mini restricted imo
polar canyon
I think I wanna make a team with ditto
sharp cobalt
Following that logic, we have several more
polar canyon
Idk if I wanna use scarf but idk if I wanna have to work with speed ties either
timber falcon
I think I wanna make a team with ditto
go ahead, though the problem with ditto is it depends on what the opponent is using
sharp cobalt
Idk if I wanna use scarf but idk if I wanna have to work with speed ties either
You really dont
polar canyon
Idk if I wanna use scarf but idk if I wanna have to work with speed ties either
I could do a hybrid tailroom team
timber falcon
what item would u put
autumn vault
Raging Bolt is a mini restricted imo
Its got: Bulk in the same level as restricteds
Offensively close to them
Shares the same typing as Zekrom and Miraidon who are restricteds
Movepool very good and restricteds usually have a movepool around the same level
Ability no
molten oasis
Incineroar
Raging Bolt
Urshifu Rapid Strike
Rillaboom
Flutter Mane
Amoonguss
Chien Pao
Tornadus
Pelipper/Whimsicott
polar canyon
You can't pick 2 for 10
molten oasis
Top 10 imo not restricted
autumn vault
Incineroar
Raging Bolt
Urshifu Rapid Strike
Rillaboom
Flutter Mane
Amoonguss
C...
I mostly agree except for Amoonguss' placement, feel like its better than Mane rn
timber falcon
i think peli takes it
molten oasis
Id maybe give peli the edge since wide guard is very valuable
molten oasis
I mostly agree except for Amoonguss' placement, feel like its better than Mane r...
Ig, flutter’s still really annoying tbh
polar canyon
Ditto team definitely gotta have redirection, and I wanna have tailwind and troom
I think I could use lunala
timber falcon
how tf u build around ditto lol
autumn vault
Ig, flutter’s still really annoying tbh
Both are very annoying to face
polar canyon
Or dawn wings if I'm feeling quirky
molten oasis
Like, well preserved booster flutter sucks
autumn vault
Booster Speed flutter is very annoying
molten oasis
To deal with
timber falcon
Booster Speed flutter is very annoying
especially when they OHKO your tw settter
molten oasis
Urshifu tho like, generally is one of my favorites to use
polar canyon
It was annoying offensively but now it's more annoying for icy wind or if your restricted is koraidon or miraidon
autumn vault
especially when they OHKO your tw settter <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
You were using Jugulis, ofc it happened
molten oasis
As dumb as unseen fist is, it’s still fun I like it
autumn vault
As dumb as unseen fist is, it’s still fun I like it
Agreed
molten oasis
Yes cuz they gave it stats that a 5 year old made
mighty stump
molten oasis
So you can just invest in defense and hp and still outspeed everything and hit hard
polar canyon
Yes cuz they gave it stats that a 5 year old made
That title is always gonna go to calyrex
autumn vault
Flutter Mane's stats were made by a 12 year old
molten oasis
No cuz calyrex had a real (although nutty) stat spread
autumn vault
That title is always gonna go to calyrex
Both, both are designed by a 12 year old
molten oasis
Idk why they gave it 165 base spA tho
autumn vault
<:MunchMunch:669500454090047498>
Let me guess you are identifying a lot of bad takes
polar canyon
Tbh a 5 year old would either give it 175 or 150
autumn vault
Tbh a 5 year old would either give it 175 or 150
True
molten oasis
They didn’t show remorse with anything caly is just absurd, except it’s typing which is manageable with Tera
but tbf, it’s beatable just sucks to handle at times
polar canyon
Again they want a reason for comp players to pay for dlc
timber falcon
eh i wouldnt say its absurd
mighty stump
Let me guess you are identifying a lot of bad takes
Just watching
autumn vault
Gen 8's restricted legend Balancing was pretty bad, except Zama but it gained B-Press in gen 9 and its dominating the format
timber falcon
just taking over meta that all, it really just made sure people could handle it well enough, like atp if u dont got a consistent answer into csr, ur team isnt very good
polar canyon
Not only that but they gave both forms 2 of the best signature attacks ever made
molten oasis
I have a line, but my entire team centers around damage trading so, whatever
polar canyon
I think that's important to note
autumn vault
just taking over meta that all, it really just made sure people could handle it ...
Countering CSR isn't too bad, unlike CIR
molten oasis
Incin there ya go
mighty stump
Just watch NAIC if you care about competitive in any remote sense
timber falcon
Countering CSR isn't too bad, unlike CIR
cir counters are easier to pick up though
mighty stump
Cause that's going to be important.
polar canyon
Csr players when I have a kingambit on my team
molten oasis
I’m curious what wins that
mighty stump
Kingambit when it eats +4 Tera Fairy Helping Hand Draining Kiss
molten oasis
Maybe CIR finally wins something
autumn vault
cir counters are easier to pick up though
But one misplay can cost you the game against a CIR, thats not healthy
Even with counters it is still no joke
molten oasis
That’s just single restricted format in general
polar canyon
Kingambit when it eats +4 Tera Fairy Helping Hand Draining Kiss
When are they getting to +4
autumn vault
The counters are just better pokemon
timber falcon
But one misplay can cost you the game against a CIR, thats not healthy
bro a missplay can cost u a game against cosmoem
mighty stump
When are they getting to +4
- Nasty Plot
- Killing everything that isn't Kingambit
molten oasis
A lot of the restricteds are just, very oppressive meaning making mistakes is game losing
autumn vault
bro a missplay can cost u a game against cosmoem
Referencing the time when i called the chatrooms braindead?
timber falcon
kingambit sucker punch when clefairy:
autumn vault
Because i don't want to be reminded of that
timber falcon
Referencing the time when i called the chatrooms braindead?
no i just used a bad restricted i can think of
for example
polar canyon
kingambit sucker punch when clefairy:
I think it's more about iron head when they tera fairy too
Clefairy when iron head
autumn vault
no i just used a bad restricted i can think of
You could have used Lugia, you love it and its not super good
molten oasis
Clef eats iron head easily
polar canyon
Clef eats iron head easily
True but still good damage
molten oasis
So good luck with that
mighty stump
+4 100 SpA Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Draining Kiss (Tera 60 BP Boost) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kingambit: 189-223 (91.3 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Guess you don't even need Helping Hand
molten oasis
I tried kingambit it isn’t it
mighty stump
Also
molten oasis
You just need to take ko’s quickly imo
timber falcon
I think it's more about iron head when they tera fairy too
but atp the damage is already done, they swap clefairy for smth that can deal with gambit and caly is tera + set up
molten oasis
Yea
polar canyon
Fair enough
molten oasis
CSR is a nasty Mon
polar canyon
Very much
mighty stump
+2 100 SpA Spell Tag Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Kingambit: 113-133 (54.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
Pff
autumn vault
CSR is a nasty Mon
*Nasty (plot) mon
molten oasis
Haha
molten oasis
I’m just waiting for double restricted at this point tbh
I feel like we’re at the point of cycle’s for teams
polar canyon
Lunala + cir is coming
timber falcon
when do new regs normally come out?
molten oasis
I’m expecting a good chunk of terapagos at NAIC
autumn vault
I’m just waiting for double restricted at this point tbh
Not waiting for it but i do have some duo ideas
mighty stump
CSR Zama is about to go crazyyyy
timber falcon
what a pain thatll be
autumn vault
You can guess who i'm using in double restricteds
timber falcon
You can guess who i'm using in double restricteds
zekrom
molten oasis
I wanna try Zac Terapagos
autumn vault
CSR Zama is about to go crazyyyy
... shit
molten oasis
Just have Zac outspeed and murder the fighting types
mighty stump
You got a Normal/Dark type? Meet one of the strongest Fighting-types in the game right now
polar canyon
Zekrom and something with good synergy
Good luck with that
timber falcon
Zekrom and something with good synergy
basically every reg H team then 
molten oasis
Yea that combo is gonna be, gross to say the least
polar canyon
Honestly how do you beat that
autumn vault
basically every reg H team then <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
Like Zekrom + Kyogre/Koraidon/Terapagos/idk
molten oasis
Idk what to pair with Zac except kyogre and idt kyogre is all that strong tbh
autumn vault
I will try the first one
mighty stump
Easy
craggy dagger
double restricted-
is something-
i’m scared of
autumn vault
double restricted-
is something-
i’m scared of
Every gen:
autumn vault
I might try out Koraidon/Groudon combo
mighty stump
DonDon
polar canyon
Dondozo in the back
molten oasis
I’m mostly thinking along the lines of terapagos since Zacian doesn’t like CSR much but Terapagos can handle it pretty ok
autumn vault
Or just double dogs
Its not a bad combo viability/lore wise
polar canyon
I think it's funny that you can use lunala and necrozma dawn wings on the same team
Not that that's a good idea
But it's 2 lunalas
timber falcon
Zac and Zama
not both at the same time i hope
molten oasis
Have you not been paying attention
timber falcon
no
molten oasis
I’ve been discussing pairings for Zac cuz I’m unsure what to do atm
timber falcon
ic
molten oasis
Ig Zac CSR would be bad
autumn vault
Not that that's a good idea
While we repeat 2 types i might try the gimmicky Zekrom Miraidon combo
A bad idea? Probably, Yes
Does that stop me from using it? No
timber falcon
Ig Zac CSR would be bad
zac and smth incin hates?
polar canyon
While we repeat 2 types i might try the gimmicky Zekrom Miraidon combo
A bad ide...
It stops you from doing well with it that's for sure
molten oasis
…oh, Zacian Koraidon
timber falcon
…oh, Zacian Koraidon
this could work, maybe
craggy dagger
zac mirai?
mighty stump
ZacOgre is right there
sharp cobalt
T h u n d e r?
polar canyon
I was gonna finally make the team I like on cart but honestly I don't think kingambit is doing much
autumn vault
It stops you from doing well with it that's for sure
Its been done in singles (most Zekrom come with Miraidon ig) Uber, not sure how that would adapt in doubles
polar canyon
Its been done in singles (most Zekrom come with Miraidon ig) Uber, not sure how ...
One ursaluna and it's over
autumn vault
That is also a thing I can do easily
Pagos/Zac and Ogre/Zac are in your mind right?
molten oasis
Zac can remove bolt and rilla pretty easily
sharp cobalt
Makes you wonder, if you go double don, how powerful would Raging Bolt be 
mighty stump
Every new regulation that shakes things up I eagerly await the new random people that will inevitably annoy me
molten oasis
Zac also good into the dragons
autumn vault
One ursaluna and it's over
That reminds me of something: Dialga CIR Ursaluna Cress
Now thats a TR squad
molten oasis
That kyogre doesn’t like, yea ig on paper that would be the best pairing
polar canyon
That reminds me of something: Dialga CIR Ursaluna Cress
Lunala cir ursaluna
autumn vault
Lunala cir ursaluna
Dialga gets Telepathy
polar canyon
Oh ye
autumn vault
So it has good synergy with Ursa
mighty stump
What i will expect highly is
- CSR Zama
- CIR Mirai
- ZacOgre
molten oasis
oh, oh CIR Mirai sounds miserable
timber falcon
lol i just found this funny so here
mighty stump
Terapagos is probably gonna be more tacked on than anything
autumn vault
oh, oh CIR Mirai sounds miserable
FariLuna Mirai is already quite hard to deal with
I cant imagine those 3 with my archnemesis CIR
molten oasis
You’d probably have to pair it with smth to threaten fighting types
mighty stump
It's in a sense, too resource heavy yet self-sufficient
sharp cobalt
lol i just found this funny so here
OOF
mighty stump
like CSRPagos is a very likely combination
polar canyon
I feel like terapagos is gonna be hurt a lot by teams having the flexibility of having zama as the second restricted
autumn vault
I feel like terapagos is gonna be hurt a lot by teams having the flexibility of ...
And Koraidon will also be quite annoying, Zama will definetely be more common and more annoying
mighty stump
Terapagos almost has a neutral MU to every Restricted barring Zama
So in a sense it gains the most from the double Restricted
polar canyon
In another sense with 2 legendaries per team it's much easier to slot zama into one of them
mighty stump
Yes, but you basically mildly improve a matchup while Pagos can always have an entire mode to dealing with Zamazenta
And the current HOPagos formula already includes answers into Zamazenta
and CSR simultaneously
sharp cobalt
What makes Terapagos good in VGC? Is it tera starstorm?
polar canyon
Oh cool
polar canyon
What makes Terapagos good in VGC? Is it tera starstorm?
Tera shell tera starstorm immense bulk
sharp cobalt
Aha
mighty stump
and not every Restricted can just slap Zamazenta into their team and call it a day
while Terapagos already deals with every Restricted barring Zamazenta comfortably
So again
Value goes to Pagos
polar canyon
Sounds right
timber falcon
What makes Terapagos good in VGC? Is it tera starstorm?
its ability, its typing really helps against csr, stats are great, single target move can turn into multitarget and cancel terrains/weathers that are currently active
without getting very specific, small explanation
craggy dagger
its ability, its typing really helps against csr, stats are great, single target...
ability-?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
craggy dagger
dunno if that helps against csr MU when all they do is mash barrage and you’re a normal type
sharp cobalt
Basically, no oneshotting it from full HPP
craggy dagger
Basically, no oneshotting it from full HPP
it’s possible
just-
not possible in a vgc quick battle term
autumn vault
Basically, no oneshotting it from full HPP
- Terapagos gets a very good movepool which helps
- It can be super hard to take down
- Ghost Immunity
- Tera makes it a beast
- It has decent MUs into most things or good, only bad MU is Zama and maybe Koraidon but Terapagos shuts down sun
craggy dagger
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 344-405 (170.2 - 200.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
autumn vault
- Stats are very well made
autumn vault
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.32519531...
Obviously it can OHKO at +6
sharp cobalt
Do yall think that Terapagoos shutting down weather and terrain was intentional
autumn vault
Most likely yes
craggy dagger
Obviously it can OHKO at +6
i said it’s possible to ohko-
just not in a vgc scenario 
ah there we go-
252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal on a critical hit: 252-297 (124.7 - 147%) -- guaranteed OHKO
sharp cobalt
Terapagos was attempt 2 at a third legend countering the box legends 
craggy dagger
oh that’s a crit
hm-
ahdjeoahrhausgdihrbs
so close
252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 168-198 (83.1 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/b3117598f91ed516 could see this as a potential core
autumn vault
Terapagos was attempt 2 at a third legend countering the box legends <:keknite:9...
Let me guess the first one was Ray
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/b3117598f91ed516 could see this as a potential core
True
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/b3117598f91ed516 could see this as a potential core
back to swsh meta hm-
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/b3117598f91ed516 could see this as a potential core
I like the double restricted core
molten oasis
back to swsh meta hm-
its what tofu was saying zac would work well with
imo it works a little better with raging bolt, existing
craggy dagger
cause it’s been proven in swsh
molten oasis
i mean yea
i dont have an issue with it just means i get to click surging strikes more
willow vault
Fair
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/50345f698d3aece8 I think this is the combo i will be experimenting when Reg H comes out in Showdown
And also Koraidon and Groudon
You know, DonDon
willow vault
I have an idea of something I want to test for double restricted but I’m not confident in the idea
molten oasis
i would like to see said idea
willow vault
It’s an idea in my head I haven’t constructed the team
polar canyon
Honestly it would be cool to see mythicals barring arceus being part of the restricteds
I wanna use like mew or something
willow vault
Well the idea, is rayquaza + terapagos, it never allows weather. Rayquaza can help limit koriadon especially if using a defensive Tera
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/eda76d0f0c762a17 someone fight me with this
willow vault
So it helps into Koraidon, Kyogre, Groudon and TornShifu
autumn vault
Btw do you people think that looking at Pikalytics series 12 doubles is a good idea for double restricteds? Because i did and apparently Zekrom has seen use with CSR and Groudon (14% with Kyogre)
molten oasis
maybe
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/eda76d0f0c762a17 someone fight me with this <a:cmcNod:106365...
Not home rn, sorry
molten oasis
autumn vault
I can't
molten oasis
Well the idea, is rayquaza + terapagos, it never allows weather. Rayquaza can he...
its an idea, i'd probably want something to be strong into like, zama
autumn vault
Still want to make the team
molten oasis
as a zama partner
willow vault
its an idea, i'd probably want something to be strong into like, zama
That’s why I wasn’t confident about it
polar canyon
Zama is nice into zama
molten oasis
i think terapagos miraidon/csr could be decent
willow vault
Lunala?
autumn vault
Zama is nice into zama
lol
molten oasis
lunala could also work yea
polar canyon
Lunala sounds good for the csr zama matchup
autumn vault
True
polar canyon
Wide guard and immune to body press is as good as it gets
willow vault
It’s tough to theory craft
autumn vault
Yup
molten oasis
i like theory crafting when im somewhat or just completely over a format
mighty stump
Being pinned to Wide Guard is also sometimes a bad thing for the Wide Guard user.
polar canyon
Yea
autumn vault
Fair
polar canyon
But like what else can have an effect on both of them at once
polar canyon
New popular anime game
molten oasis
genre?
autumn vault
Tofu what is wuthering waves?
New rename of one of Zygarde's signature moves
molten oasis
anime game could be many things
autumn vault
Thousand waves
polar canyon
Mobile?
molten oasis
haha
craggy dagger
hm-?
molten oasis
no, is it an rpg? roguelike? simulation game?
craggy dagger
open world jrpg
molten oasis
hm-?
https://pokepast.es/eda76d0f0c762a17 im cooking for a format 4 months away
craggy dagger
if you know genshin then-
they’re pretty similar
molten oasis
ah, i have lost interest
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/eda76d0f0c762a17 im cooking for a format 4 months away
3 Months
mighty stump
WuWa
autumn vault
One month has already passed
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/eda76d0f0c762a17 im cooking for a format 4 months away
boltbeam regieleki looks like it’s gonna have a feast though
autumn vault
This is a duo i want to build around
molten oasis
eleki when zacian play roughs it
autumn vault
Dead
polar canyon
Who's using boltbeam eleki
molten oasis
This is a duo i want to build around
what does kyogre do for zekrom and vice versa?
autumn vault
Around 20% Campfire
molten oasis
like, i dont see the vision in that
polar canyon
I mean who's using eleki
craggy dagger
kyogre can keep ground types at bay with water-
though i have no clue what zekrom does for kyogre
autumn vault
what does kyogre do for zekrom and vice versa?
Kyogre covers the ground and ice types that threaten Zekrom and Zekrom can be a good switch in for Kyogre to tank grass and electric moves
craggy dagger
I mean who's using eleki
hi
molten oasis
mm
craggy dagger
tera normal explosion eleki hype hasn’t died yet
polar canyon
As much as I like eleki I ain't using it
molten oasis
its okay synergy
craggy dagger
And the benefit from rain
how-
autumn vault
Zekrom covers Flying and Water that Don hates
molten oasis
if groudon gets out of mid allegations
polar canyon
Thunder specs zekrom
molten oasis
Thunder specs zekrom
the kitchen called, you're fired