I love Choice Specs Kyogre
#competitive_discussion
timber falcon
Lol
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Specs Kyogre is so much fun
306 SpA from a 150 BP move + STAB + tera + Rain is so much fun
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oo sing clef is interesting
It has been done before but still interesting
I wouldn't want to use a 55% accurate move though
Literally 12% of Clefairy run Sing
Honestly not surprised
charred saddle
even more of a chad play
that u know the chiyu is covert cloaked
overheat snarl heatwave taunt
no protect 
crazy set
forest arrow
Yay lunala on stream
south shuttle
306 SpA from a 150 BP move + STAB + tera + Rain is so much fun
Even worse is gastrodon
With storm drain
forest arrow
Pretty sure it doesnt stop spread
south shuttle
It does?
mighty stump
Sing Clef is used to gamba pressure
mighty stump
Comp chat 🤝 Misinformation
south shuttle
only redirects single target move
Even if it’s single target
Still a very good move
forest arrow
bro lunala with two cm is scaryyyy
charred saddle
i mean its +2 tera fairy MB but its so mind boggling
yeah
pelipper seals the game there very strong
forest arrow
yeah fs
charred saddle
double protect then weather ball in either slot KOs
charred saddle
oh kirain gw yg slh wkkw
mighty stump
smph demi allah gw masih disini
charred saddle
Garg would be annoying for lunala
yeah but also pelipper rilla and lando isnt fun for it
mighty stump
dah 1/2 mikir cabs aja
charred saddle
water tera too, so rilla is stronk
forest arrow
youre right lol
charred saddle
oo damn reading the no shadball
forest arrow
I dont think Pierluigi has shadow ball
charred saddle
heh thats a really bad turn for luigi
holy damn joans team is so goddamn annoying
forest arrow
having trouble working out that match up might try bolt where he has Lando I
Spout just still does so much and torn gets rid of Rilla
charred saddle
oh or even like rilla lunala idk
forest arrow
They double up peli or partner when trying to wide guard
charred saddle
mighty stump
If you have Scarfshifu just SS/CC the Kyogre
mighty stump
Throw/Mika has been having a shit time w Kyogre
WG Pelipper is just free
Torn can’t touch it
forest arrow
yeah maybe trying to force Lunala to hard
mighty stump
Peli/Luna would just get free CM unless you get into Taunt Torn
If you see Taunt you just Moongeist the Kyogre
forest arrow
<a:noted:911408898135711764>
Me rn
Okay I’ll play some and try to run into ogre
Mika and I are also gonna try a clef variant
Just dk if we wanna run after you or heal pulse
forest arrow
I’m not a chad lol
mighty stump
Heal Pulse if you have problems with Spread
No
Like
Ok
Say you lead Clef with something into two Spread move users
What do you do
Follow Me is pointless
Helping Hand is pointless if youre not going for a hard KO/dont pick one up
charred saddle
i think throw meant not a chad to me
charred saddle
since we just talked about sing as a chad move
forest arrow
No I agree completely
After you is good in TR but we have Taunt incin, and torn is also another one that we could run taunt on
mighty stump
Consider it this way
Heal Pulse in TR basically means you maintain HP constantly until Clef drops
you’re mitigating a flat 50% damage every time
Which to me is still the better scenario if you still cannot pick up a KO
forest arrow
Heal pulse just seems like the play on top of lefties recovery and terrain
lofty tartan
Throw/Mika has been having a shit time w Kyogre
Oh hey my ears were burning
lofty tartan
Heal Pulse in TR basically means you maintain HP constantly until Clef drops
I just did this with Clef/Lunala into Caly-I
And yeah I still think Kyogre is just favored into Lunala. Not a good match up for us, so we're gonna have to ensure we have ways to climb back.
timber falcon
man bo3 really is more forgiving
cyan smelt
no muk smeargle in bo3 either
timber falcon
and u get more than one chance against an MU
so gimmicks normally can be worked around
next stump
it’s the superior game mode
autumn vault
The one that takes skill
And not the one that uses gimmicky teams to climb sky high
cyan smelt
it helps you identify weaknesses in your team too i think
mighty stump
@molten oasis Dragapult on stream
junior blade
Guys, could you suggest me any pokemon that can set up stealth rock and do thunder wave and stuff?
next stump
japan nats top 8
mighty stump
japan nats top 8
Dawn Wings under the radar getting the most random results
Twitter
@next stump pastes
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Guys, could you suggest me any pokemon that can set up stealth rock and do thund...
Ubers that have that combo: Archaludon Arceus Deoxys Dialga Groudon Rayquaza Zekrom
Pokemon from OU that have that combo: Blissey Clefable Deoxys-Speed and Kingambit
junior blade
What would be the best
junior blade
Or just a support pokemon with stealth rock
next stump
Iron Valiant on Caly-I for the Miraidon matchup is crazyyy
autumn vault
That one does the stealth rock t-wave role better than the other ones
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Or just a support pokemon with stealth rock
Many pokemon get stealth rock
You can literally look at the Showdown page
timber falcon
japan nats top 8
havent seen dnite for a while, and with no pao
junior blade
I will just get uxie then
forest arrow
japan nats top 8
Lets go Lunala made it
Dawn Wings team looks good basically just swaps armarouge for it, nice
solid frigate
i just realised that i am covert cloak Terapagos with Specs Terapagos set member
forest arrow
Pagos
solid frigate
ALSO Italy's Cloak Pagos has Dragapult
molten oasis
Is it banded or support?
forest arrow
lemme get team one sec
solid frigate
sash Dragapult
molten oasis
Ah
molten oasis
Cool
solid frigate
also i just realised that my Terapagos is Cloak Pagos but teammates are specs Pagos-
also is that Bulky Specs
solid frigate
i swear the HP that specs pagos had its bulky specs right
molten oasis
oh theres a special event today
solid frigate
oh theres a special event today
yeah in Italy
molten oasis
ic
solid frigate
Cloak Pagos beats Specs Pagos
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i swear the HP that specs pagos had its bulky specs right
I use bulky specs as well, its really good
Surviving hits better is good
solid frigate
i like the bulk on Terapagos and both Sets are fine by me
@forest arrow i did watch the Terapagos Mirror in Italy so does that compromise that?
timber falcon
Cloak Pagos beats Specs Pagos
how come
timber falcon
oh on stream
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https://pokepast.es/26507e6c6666820a
https://pokepast.es/9acaf164548b58bc
Which team member fits onto the team better?
timber falcon
tsarena >
solid frigate
oh on stream
yeah i like both sets but Cloak Turtle is my go to
autumn vault
yeah i like both sets but Cloak Turtle is my go to
I can see why
Blocking snarl and FO is very nice
Especially for a SpA mon
solid frigate
I can see why
but my team members-
Are Specs Turtle lmao
timber falcon
yeah i like both sets but Cloak Turtle is my go to
i mean if i was to commit to a pagos set i think specs would be my go to at least, cant go wrong wit some redirection and passive healing
autumn vault
but my team members-
Are Specs Turtle lmao
You said that like 5 times i know
timber falcon
als lyco regarding ur teams
solid frigate
You said that like 5 times i know
no like legit idk why i used it lmao
solid frigate
i don't think Band Urshifu is necessary
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a certain MU?
It helps to one shot CIR
solid frigate
It helps to one shot CIR
oh-
timber falcon
It helps to one shot CIR
unless tera.
bold geode
Them saying Bologna the way it actually looks lol
timber falcon
but then specs kyogre is open to tclaps and FO
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https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sleep-zzsoobn-monkey-sleeping-cute-monkey-gif-2394...
Monkeys that are not pokemon are cringe, especially that one
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but then specs kyogre is open to tclaps and FO
Landorus Incarnate:
bold geode
Monkeys that are not pokemon are cringe, especially that one
You're cringe
solid frigate
You're cringe
lmao
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Besides they don't hurt it too much
timber falcon
Monkeys that are not pokemon are cringe, especially that one
monkeys are enjoyable
solid frigate
turtle vs Caly Shadow
timber falcon
anyways, if banded shifu helps that much go ahead and use it
solid frigate
oh boi Scream Tail + Raging Bolt-
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anyways, if banded shifu helps that much go ahead and use it
Haven't tested it
solid frigate
my PTSD-
timber falcon
oh then 100% try testing
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It can also make opponents bring Psychic types for Urshifu-S to ohko
And the opponents will think about Urshifu-R
Yes its Bo1 reliant but its a good strat
timber falcon
oh, surprise factor 
cyan smelt
i'm still annoyed that there's no way to tell which urshifu it is
solid frigate
also Pagos Pairing with Scream Tail and Bolt
timber falcon
fr its a guessing game, and having durshifu on a rain team for bo1 is vile
solid frigate
i'm still annoyed that there's no way to tell which urshifu it is
i mean they can just make a glowing Aura on it
but they don't for SOME REASON
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fr its a guessing game, and having durshifu on a rain team for bo1 is vile
There is a reason why 14% of Kyogre come with Durshifu
solid frigate
also i kinda expect Lefties might be the weaker CM Turtle item-
yep Thundurus is gonna wreak Haovc on Terapagos-
i have slight flashbacks from it
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also i kinda expect Lefties might be the weaker CM Turtle item-
Bogus! I love healing 12% of my hp with grassy terrain and having protect
Seriously though i can see why you like it
I just like the healing
solid frigate
Bogus! I love healing 12% of my hp with grassy terrain and having protect
and then gets snarl'd and losing damage
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Damn
Why i love specs tera water Kyogre
I might make 3 rentals this month: Specs Kyogre Koraidon and another Zekrom rental
Bro is fishing up PTSD
solid frigate
Bro is fishing up PTSD
2 horse lmao
cyan smelt
glastrier is bulky af
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glastrier is bulky af
Won't stop my banded urshifu from destroying it
bold geode
HONSE
bold geode
Oh no I was looking at Honse on stream
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solid frigate
Oh no I was looking at Honse on stream
also yes honse
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Should i stop playing? 69 too nice to give up
bold geode
@mighty stump are we seeing CM Turtle stonks today?
solid frigate
+4 NASTY PLOT DAMN-
south shuttle
TERAPAGOS 😡 😡
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TERAPAGOS 😡 😡
Terapagos amazing in doubles
solid frigate
kek
south shuttle
But still decent in UBER (i think)
there are better uses of tera
like sd tera normal espeed arceus
south shuttle
yeah
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2134818163 I love Dark urshifu
I think i want to calc for Bulk on Dark Urshifu
I feel like CB does a ton of damage
solid frigate
For a reason
tortol
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Urshifu @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 68 HP / 148 Atk / 4 Def / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wicked Blow
- Close Combat
- Sucker Punch
- Poison Jab
How is this Dark Urshifu spread?
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 68 HP / 36 SpD Urshifu-Single Strike: 83-99 (45.1 - 53.8%) -- 38.7% chance to 2HKO
148 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Single Strike Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider on a critical hit: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 68 HP / 36 SpD Urshifu-Single Strike: 169-200 (91.8 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 68 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Single Strike: 69-82 (37.5 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
I calc'd the set to OHKO CIR 50% of the time as i feel like Fake Out chip is enough to take it down if it does survive the wicked blow
And calc'd it to survive Astral Barrage to 3HKO, didn't make it but i got to 38.7% to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 60 HP / 44 SpD Urshifu-Single Strike: 82-97 (44.8 - 53%) -- 32% chance to 2HKO
Slightly better odds
bold geode
Me when the Draining Kiss goes into Urshifu
autumn vault
Me when the Draining Kiss goes into Urshifu
I think it can survive that after tera, let me go check
252 SpA Life Orb Tera-Fairy Calyrex-Shadow Rider Draining Kiss (Tera 60 BP Boost) vs. 60 HP / 44 SpD Tera-Dark Urshifu-Single Strike: 221-265 (120.7 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Draining Kiss vs. 60 HP / 44 SpD Tera-Dark Urshifu-Single Strike: 125-148 (68.3 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Barely survives base draining kiss
charred saddle
lots of sitrus caly S huh
autumn vault
Well, after tera
mighty stump
This all just looks like not good rolls
CIR roll is poor, 38.7 2HKO chance is awkward, Lando-T calc is irrelevant
bold geode
How many SpDef boosts does Terapagos have
autumn vault
CIR roll is poor, 38.7 2HKO chance is awkward, Lando-T calc is irrelevant
I was just checking
252 Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 60 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Single Strike: 97-115 (53 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Here is an actually relevant calc
252 Atk Ogerpon Superpower vs. 60 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Single Strike: 130-154 (71 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
solid frigate
How many SpDef boosts does Terapagos have
+4
foggy lodge
COMEBACK
solid frigate
TURTLE PLS
solid frigate
Bro is tankier than Blissey
its Terastal form rn for funnies
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its Terastal form rn for funnies
Yup my statement is not false
solid frigate
PLS TURTLE PLS
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Zekrom or Excadrill > Koraidon or Emboar > Terapagos or Garbodor > Everything else
bold geode
Yeah that was close lol
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I spotted a homie
south shuttle
turtle when eerie impulse
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turtle when eerie impulse
Or snarl or Parting Shot
solid frigate
+3 236+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 240-283 (137.1 - 161.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Either that Calyrex is Bulky af or the Terapagos did not have that much EVs
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Honestly i am quite shocked
timber falcon
at some point will mythicals be alowed in vgc?
next stump
maybe at the end of the game’s life
timber falcon
ah ok so at the very end
charred saddle
its been allowed once at the end of swsh
next stump
yeah, it’s not guaranteed they’ll do it again but if they do, it would be there
south shuttle
at some point will mythicals be alowed in vgc?
best strat victini + articuno sheer cold
next stump
when there’s no real official tournaments that matter
timber falcon
so no regionals on it?
charred saddle
no
next stump
heavily doubt we’ll see western regionals with mythicals ever
charred saddle
i dont think there is, its only been on ranked
timber falcon
ah ok just wanted to know
solid frigate
+3 236+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 189-223 (91.3 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Ok there is no shot Terapagos Can't OHKO
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+3 236+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fairy Ca...
Maybe the CSR got lucky
It happens
solid frigate
Maybe the CSR got lucky
how bulky is that thing,its not calm mind but How-
the plot armor on this horse-
next stump
are you talking about round 3? or a later round?
solid frigate
are you talking about round 3? or a later round?
round 3
how +3 Terapagos does not kill
next stump
i don’t think terapagos was +3, was it??
i’m pretty sure it only had 1 calm mind up
in game 3
knotty briar
Trying to get to master ball tier with this team
Any thoughts or improvements?
knotty briar
Just good defensively
Also urshifu and Kyogre exists
foggy lodge
Fair enough
autumn vault
Maybe Life Orb on Ursaluna
Throat Spray is still nice
knotty briar
Nobody wants to be facing a tera normal +1 bloodmoon ursaluna in trick room
autumn vault
True
knotty briar
Also the cress survived an astral barrage on half health without tera
next stump
1st turn - calm mind
2nd turn - tera starstorm
3rd turn - tera starstorm
4th turn - substitute
5th turn - dies from a double up
@solid frigate that was terapagos in game 3 once it hit the field
solid frigate
1st turn - calm mind
2nd turn - tera starstorm
3rd turn - tera starstorm
4th tu...
there is no subsitute in that match.
i meant the Italy one
knotty briar
+3 236+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fairy Ca...
Who runs max sp def Calyrex shadow?
You either go sash or specs
Maybe scarf
solid frigate
Who runs max sp def Calyrex shadow?
You either go sash or specs
i'm checking on why the fuck Caly S survived
bold geode
Talking about Lugia lmao
next stump
I’m watching Italy lol, round 3 with Lorenzo vs. Matteo
bold geode
OH WAIT
bold geode
I forget I have a Lugia team lol
autumn vault
Talking about Lugia lmao
One of the worst 670-700 BST legends
solid frigate
unless you don’t mean Italy
i wan meant Italy with Antonio and Adam
bold geode
It's not Chance's, but it's close
solid frigate
knotty briar
One of the worst 670-700 BST legends
Lugia is definitely a singles mon
bold geode
Mienshao lol
WAIT NO WAY IRON LEAVES AND KINGAMBIT ARE 6-0 RN
@mighty stump you see this shit bro
bold geode
Lol it's kinda interesting
charred saddle
like what the fuck is lunala doing there bro
bold geode
But I'm wondering how Leaves and Kingambit are undefeated rn
mighty stump
Whats wrong with Kingambit damn
bold geode
It's the fact that Kingambit and Leaves are there lol
molten oasis
Kingambit isn’t bad
bold geode
Actually Kingambit RN ain't looking bad
molten oasis
I considered it for caly s clef stuff
bold geode
If it's gonna come back, now's a good time
All you really have to worry about is Zamazenta and Koraidon in terms of restricted Fighting types
molten oasis
Run things to beat them
bold geode
Run things to beat them
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180
If you exist then anything is possible
jovial storm
Okay, I am finally about ready to venture into the latest Reg in an attempt to get Rank Master Ribbons for my favorite mons. What is the current meta like? What’s a good core this go around?
bold geode
If you exist then anything is possible
So I can be a dolphin
warped mason
Mateo getting haxed
mighty stump
Okay, I am finally about ready to venture into the latest Reg in an attempt to g...
Restricteds.
jovial storm
Which brings me to my next question: which one is good?
Or the best to build a team around?
mighty stump
Calys, Miraidon, Terapagos, Zamazenta.
jovial storm
I wanted to do Koraidon but I don’t feel he’s - ZENTA!? Cool.
Hmmm.
Guess I could go Calyrex Shadow and go from there. I ain’t too used to how Miraidon plays and Terapagos sounds hella specific for me to consider.
mighty stump
Calyrex requires a very specific setup.
Most of the restricted formulas feel almost set in stone.
mighty stump
Aside from that, mainly you';re gonna have to be familiar with how every matchup plays. Example CSR is like this: https://pokepast.es/b43816c423730836
https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1796693165010760027 An important CSR related article.
Twitter
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180
ik, you're too stupid to understand that concept
autumn vault
So I can be a dolphin
In the future, maybe, but i doubt it
warped mason
Kyogre volcarona 7-0 
next stump
@chrome knot
chrome knot
BC NO INCIN BRUH IM SO JEALOUS
autumn vault
<@224303371564220418>
Why AV at all? That special bulk alone is enough
The Japanese have funky ideas
bold geode
Lol nah
mighty stump
Makes sense
timber falcon
BC NO INCIN BRUH IM SO JEALOUS
Wym?
mighty stump
PJCS top 8 no Incin.
timber falcon
Wait why though
craggy dagger
molten oasis
guess they dont have to use incin as much as we do
timber falcon
But why 
molten oasis
don't ask me
timber falcon
i love this lol
timber falcon
so its just the mindset in general?
autumn vault
i love this lol
Iron Hands after Raging Bolt came in:
molten oasis
so
i think i found one of those japan national teams
well, lost to just
iron hands, tr sucks
charred saddle
specs eleki holy
molten oasis
yea im done man
lost to someone's super bulky urshifu
who takes a cc at -1 defense
charred saddle
timber falcon
who takes a cc at -1 defense
Lmfao what
molten oasis
God man I want spread damage
timber falcon
252+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. -1 212 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 169-201 (83.6 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO eh not that bulky
molten oasis
HARD HITTING spread damage
timber falcon
shifu just has nat good defense
molten oasis
252+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. -1 212 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 169-20...
That is a lot of bulk what are you talking about
For a scarf urshifu
That is a lot of bulk
timber falcon
oh it was scarf?
molten oasis
I just need to cool off I lost to a hyper offense chi Yu caly team
timber falcon
also it couldve been a roll 252+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. -1 108 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 169-201 (89.4 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
timber falcon
just gotta cool off and think abt HO MUs i think
timber falcon
whats the team? just interested
solid frigate
is this shit true? <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
pfft
timber falcon
Try Suica’s team
i found one from swsh?
mighty stump
molten oasis
Try Suica’s team
Who?
molten oasis
just gotta cool off and think abt HO MUs i think
Everything is HO
mighty stump
You need upfront damage pressure against certain teams
molten oasis
I’ve been trying to do that, it’s just wrong leads ig
warped mason
Why does chat wanna see caly ice vs miraidon when there's a wo chien in the other match lol
craggy dagger
....
ditto on top
pagos didnt even get to see play
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2134922609
solid frigate
any more streams or is it over
forest arrow
i think it was last round of the day
mighty stump
@autumn vault Where is the paste
timber falcon
Iron Hands after Raging Bolt came in:
molten oasis
I’m stuck in 1200’s, just keep making really dumb calls
dry lynx
sorry if this isnt the right spot to post this if not plz lemme know where but i was wondering if the dlc is required for pvp i just got my switch back and want to create a team around zangoose im also new to pvp so any team suggestions send my way
autumn vault
Finished
mighty stump
If you're asking if you need the DLC to participate in PVP: No
If you're asking if you should get the DLC for PVP: Probably, or find someone that can trade you the required Pokemon.
Since you're new to PVP: Throw everything you know about Pokemon from casual play out the window. Using your favourites takes a lot of applied knowledge which is something majority of new players do not have. I recommend using an established rental initially to get a feel of what PVP and the meta-game looks like.
dry lynx
you can use dlc pokemon without having the dlc?
autumn vault
you can use dlc pokemon without having the dlc?
Yes
As long as its a rental
Or trading
solid frigate
you can use dlc pokemon without having the dlc?
if you have that traded yes,but some moves are locked from the DLC
if i recall
strange fjord
just updated munchstats. my new munchlax set based off tofu's snorlax set is there lol. not overwhelmingly there but its there lol
think someone else used munchlax but who knows what team they ran
harsh depot
I need to start playing VGC again. Is CSR still okay, or should I try a different team?
autumn vault
I need to start playing VGC again. Is CSR still okay, or should I try a differen...
CSR actually won a tournament iirc a week ago so yes
harsh depot
Cool deal
autumn vault
It should still be OK
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think someone else used munchlax but who knows what team they ran
Just run snorlax at that point
strange fjord
it was calm mind set up shadow rider right? or am i confusing that with a diff CSR team
autumn vault
Or you just have bias
harsh depot
it was calm mind set up shadow rider right? or am i confusing that with a diff C...
Different. Mine is Nasty Plot
strange fjord
Or you just have bias
def bias
molten oasis
Yea ok, just needed to not make stupid reads
strange fjord
Different. Mine is Nasty Plot
i meant the CSR that won the tour lol
harsh depot
i meant the CSR that won the tour lol
Oh oooops. Sorry, mb
autumn vault
def bias
Although snorlax is better if it works then its at the very least not terrible
And i use Zekrom out of bias and interest
So i am not qualified to tell you to not use munch
harsh depot
I'd use Reshiram if there was any viability to it. I adore Reshiram, but it's not a good legendary in this format (Or in general iirc)
strange fjord
And i use Zekrom out of bias and interest
Munchlax has slightly higher usage at 1760+ Glicko Rating than Zekrom 😈
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Munchlax has slightly higher usage at 1760+ Glicko Rating than Zekrom 😈
Well to be fair Munch has a unique role, Zekrom is kind of like a Miraidon Bolt hybrid
strange fjord
Although snorlax is better if it works then its at the very least not terrible
Munchlax is bulkier and slightly stronger than Tofu's Snorlax but less moves and cries to Knock Off and doesn't have access to a real held item.
mighty stump
just updated munchstats. my new munchlax set based off tofu's snorlax set is the...
Wat
Tahts funny
solid frigate
timber falcon
just updated munchstats. my new munchlax set based off tofu's snorlax set is the...
wait u a dev? i feel like i heard this b4 but my memory fails to deliver
no wait youve definitely told me
mighty stump
Your memory doesn’t fail to deliver, it never existed
autumn vault
wait u a dev? i feel like i heard this b4 but my memory fails to deliver
Look at his about me
It tells you all you need to know about that
autumn vault
I will always vote for your favourite legend
timber falcon
i just wanna see smth challenging 
timber falcon
Your memory doesn’t fail to deliver, it never existed
i had a joke for this but i forgot abt it
mighty stump
A for effort, C for originality
timber falcon
ill take it
craggy dagger
am i the only one that kinda wishes there’s an intimidate for SpA
timber falcon
Then there should be AV for physical def
timber falcon
am i the only one that kinda wishes there’s an intimidate for SpA
Then again we do have snarl
craggy dagger
no like an ability
strange fjord
wait u a dev? i feel like i heard this b4 but my memory fails to deliver
yeah i made the website MunchStats (I was tired on waiting for Pikalytics to update)
craggy dagger
Then again we do have snarl
cause we have moves that drop both atk stats
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yeah i made the website MunchStats (I was tired on waiting for Pikalytics to upd...
Your website is much better than pikalytics
I could retire thanks to old age, see my grandchildren a few times a year and pikalytics still hasn't updated usage
strange fjord
oh lmao I just realized. Munchlax data is ONLY on 1760 for reg g. I wanna guess it's overall usage was too low for the other weighted ratings but bc 1760 has less Pokemon, Munchlax technically has enough usage to appear
shut schooner
Need advice on a move set for snorlax for doubles fully defensive last ev in hp also thinking thick fat
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Need advice on a move set for snorlax for doubles fully defensive last ev in hp ...
Tofu actually made a Snorlax set himself
solid frigate
Giratina and Dusk Mane tied?
autumn vault
Giratina and Dusk Mane tied?
People here for some reason love Dusk Mane, idk why
solid frigate
People here for some reason love Dusk Mane, idk why
Giratina honestly is easier to build than Dusk mane
1.Dusk Mane's Movepool and stats are highly Suggested to be either D-Dance or Weakness Policy
forest arrow
I mean i wouldnt say i love it
its better than origin giratina tho.
Just stating why i voted for it lol
Its different
but at least usable different
solid frigate
Its different
its a worse Solgaleo but i can see
Giratina's Offenses are just Sad
and suffering Mixed Attacker Syndrome does not help
forest arrow
Yeah
solid frigate
Standard Giratina (Giratina-Origin) @ Griseous Core
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Def / 60 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Poltergeist
- Dragon Tail
- Protect
- Tera Blast
I kinda experimented the set here but EVs are not decided
forest arrow
Kyurem white and ho oh arent terrible choices either if you wanna go something different than meta
just playing VGC hard mode lol
solid frigate
Kyurem white and ho oh arent *terrible* choices either if you wanna go something...
Ho-Oh being a Stall and Defensive Mon but with actual Offenses
Kyuren White is either rain or Snow
forest arrow
next to ting lu pretty alright
charred saddle
hooh is actually easier to pilot than kyurem W based on my experience
solid frigate
next to ting lu pretty alright
well i know one of the members here are still hating that Ho-Oh Team
charred saddle
fire flying hits a lot
just that its a bit weird that the typing is also a bit off since it got hit a lot with neutral
even CIR hits neutral glacial
solid frigate
fire flying hits a lot
sure you can't hit rock types but outside of Hisuian Arcanine and Glimmora,idk if T-Tar is gonna be here
forest arrow
yeah fs
solid frigate
so yeah Ho-Oh is more scot-free on this and its only need to worry about Kyogre and Miraidon
solid frigate
usually it has grass tera
and it does not matter cuz Sure Koraidon has Flare Blitz but if you let it Un Tera,Brave Bird to the face
forest arrow
Twitter
charred saddle
oh thats a cool team
forest arrow
Saw this on twitter the other day
forest arrow
protect
charred saddle
ah okok
forest arrow
dull ibex
I am yeah
charred saddle
thats nice,
i used AV Hooh
forest arrow
yeah i thought it looked pretty cool
AV doesnt seem bad either
boosting an already monstrous SpD
charred saddle
i think the one thing i hate with AV that i cant heal back or protect
even if im tanky, its like im jsut a sandbag
forest arrow
technically can by switching out but momentum
charred saddle
yeah
forest arrow
yeah fs hmm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
forest arrow
In the same speed tier as kyu where it feels like they need TW
autumn vault
just playing VGC hard mode lol
Me who plays Zekrom:
solid frigate
https://x.com/jaylun44/status/1795772076302963189?s=12&t=gEcvvuDLBwqjwOC0yfoRYg
honestly this looks cool
like its not heavy stall
forest arrow
Yeah I figured I’d throw your way if you ever visit Ho oh
charred saddle
idk where u get the idea of hooh = stall
just because its tanky i dont think u can consider it as stall
molten oasis
its not stall
onyx crown
Is Zamazenta REALLY that good now?
I can't stand going through the Shield story anymore.
molten oasis
ho-oh just tanky
molten oasis
Is Zamazenta REALLY that good now?
I can't stand going through the Shield story ...
yes it is that good
onyx crown
The story is so BAD
onyx crown
I've been doing that for the past 10 hours
molten oasis
well, just keep at it
next stump
just keep mashing the A key while playing another game
molten oasis
fr
autumn vault
The story is so BAD
Zamazenta > A majority of restricteds
onyx crown
My sister has like 100 hours on Shield. I tried asking her how she managed to play the game without wanting to drown herself. She goes "I just ignored it"
onyx crown
Get over it
The more people like you say that, the less likely it is to happen. Just a side note.
main spade
Can someone help me plz? I'm currently building a team centered around chesnaught RN and I need opinions on what to change. DM me if you can
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molten oasis
im ngl
solid frigate
Can someone help me plz? I'm currently building a team centered around chesnaugh...
Chesnaught is kinda.... mid
solid frigate
Yeah I figured I’d throw your way if you ever visit Ho oh
I'll save it in my files
autumn vault
just pick something man
I have several pokemon i want to do and its not super easy to decide it, yes what you are saying is true
autumn vault
Zekrom comes to mind first
solid frigate
should i make Weakness Policy Dusk Mane or Clear Amulet with Coaching
molten oasis
Zekrom comes to mind first
then play zekrom
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2nd Terapagos, 3rd Specs Kyogre and 4th Zama
onyx crown
Torrent, if you can help Regice see success, I'm sure you can help Chesnaught find success as well
I believe in you
molten oasis
chesnaught sucks
solid frigate
Torrent, if you can help Regice see success, I'm sure you can help Chesnaught fi...
it just dies
main spade
it just dies
I'm doing a tera rock belly drum set
autumn vault
Snow regice can be a wall
solid frigate
Sure Bulletproof is a good ability but its just quad weak to flying and its just worst Kommo-O,Zamazenta and Hisuian Goodra
autumn vault
But the issue is the stats and movepool
solid frigate
I'm doing a tera rock belly drum set
i rather use Body Press
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And typing
onyx crown
Snow regice can be a wall
Torrent designed mine to be a cancerous Tailwind Snow sweeper.
main spade
And typing
I kind of wish it got unburden
solid frigate
And typing
ability is fine but typing is just nope-
autumn vault
I kind of wish it got unburden
Chesnaught or Regice? Because Regice would be even worse with unburden
solid frigate
i think what chesnaught can do is to be a Body Press user
but then again 3 pokemon already have that
Zamazenta,Kommo-o and H-Goodra
autumn vault
Zamazenta can win tournaments easily, Kommo-O is a great tera abuser and annoying to take down and H-goodra blocks crits, very specially bulky and slow which helps it in tr
solid frigate
also if Belly Drum i recommend Azumarill
autumn vault
Also you forgot to mention Registeel but it isn't that common rn
main spade
K heres chesnaught itself, +speed -spatk nature, random evs in both defences and attack tera rock, sitrus berry, its moves are spiky shield, grassy glide( because im using rillaboom with it for priority after belly drum), belly drum and drain punch
autumn vault
K heres chesnaught itself, +speed -spatk nature, random evs in both defences and...
Don't do random evs
Better to calc them so that way you are more prepared
solid frigate
I'll make a set for it i used all 3 Kalos Starters
main spade
I'll make a set for it i used all 3 Kalos Starters
could you use mine or are you going with body press?
solid frigate
could you use mine or are you going with body press?
i'll use mine cuz Body Press set > Belly Drum Set
molten oasis
if you want to use regice use articuno
main spade
the whole reason im making the team is just to see chesnaught do decently as its my favouriote pokemon
onyx crown
Dang. I thought Bulletproof affected moonblast. In which case it could potentially annoy Flutter Mane.
main spade
Dang. I thought Bulletproof affected moonblast. In which case it could potential...
tera steel chesnaught handles flutter mane
onyx crown
if you want to use regice use articuno
Regice > Articuno
molten oasis
no, just, no
solid frigate
Chesnaught @ Big Root
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 228 HP / 36 Atk / 92 Def / 148 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Body Press
- Iron Defense
- Wood Hammer
Chesnaught @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 228 HP / 36 Atk / 92 Def / 148 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Body Press
- Iron Defense
- Wood Hammer
onyx crown
Regice doesn't die instantly to a pebble
solid frigate
Regice doesn't die instantly to a pebble
Articuno Snow Buff+Evasion
molten oasis
regice hits like a wet noodle
onyx crown
regice hits like a wet noodle
Regice walls like a unit
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
timber falcon
Regice walls like a unit
w worst typing
solid frigate
Chesnaught @ Big Root
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EV...
@main spade i think this could work
molten oasis
you're not a good ice sweeper if you're not doing any damage
solid frigate
w worst typing
I think Ice Bird has worse typing but the ability really helped it on the long run
molten oasis
it wouldnt be overpowered if it was fairy steel
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
it wouldnt be overpowered if it was fairy steel
molten oasis
100 spA is NOT enough
timber falcon
eh needs lorb to work
molten oasis
it needs specs and a spA buff
onyx crown
Remember back when base 100 was considered good.
timber falcon
but it def got very nice bulk with snow
timber falcon
Remember back when base 100 was considered good.
power creep
timber falcon
gamefreak releasing calys
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
onyx crown
power creep<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
Won't stop me from winning with Regice 
timber falcon
good 4 u
solid frigate
gamefreak releasing calys
Gen 8 is just-
Very not balanced with how they make Legendaries
main spade
Remember back when base 100 was considered good.
oh how we've grown
timber falcon
Gen 8 is just-
Very not balanced with how they make Legendaries
fr
main spade
Gen 8 is just-
Very not balanced with how they make Legendaries
problem is theres too many of them allowed IMO
solid frigate
fr
only 2-3 are not good
Zamazenta(Gen 8 bad,Great in gen 9),Galarian Articuno and Regidrago(Good in Gen 9)
timber falcon
i mean its interesting how the meta changes, im quite a fan of power creep ngl
timber falcon
slowly pacing up stronger mons
solid frigate
problem is theres too many of them allowed IMO
its restricted Format right now deal with it
timber falcon
problem is theres too many of them allowed IMO
they werent allowd for quite a bit
solid frigate
i mean its interesting how the meta changes, im quite a fan of power creep ngl
i'm kinda neutral but i get what you mean
onyx crown
Cooking while typing is more difficult than struggling through Shield's main storyline
main spade
they werent allowd for quite a bit
Not that its just that its only restrictive to some legendaries, plus theres no parado x limits either
solid frigate
Not that its just that its only restrictive to some legendaries, plus theres no ...
i mean not really
There are lots of No Paradox and Legendaries are viable in VGC
timber falcon
Not that its just that its only restrictive to some legendaries, plus theres no ...
paradox also werent allowed at some point
solid frigate
paradox also werent allowed at some point
Reg B,the calm before the storm honestly
main spade
paradox also werent allowed at some point
Peace if our time
timber falcon
i mean i didnt play compet back then so i got no idea what it was like
molten oasis
if you wanna play when there are less mons allowed go play reg a
timber falcon
but i can imagine lots of psyspam
molten oasis
one of the worst formats i've ever played
solid frigate
one of the worst formats i've ever played
Dozo Giri moment?
molten oasis
half the reason i hate dozo so much is because of reg a
solid frigate
half the reason i hate dozo so much is because of reg a
honestly true,i start at reg b and i hate it
main spade
if you wanna play when there are less mons allowed go play reg a
how dopp i do that, time machine?
molten oasis
i think itll become a little less volatile when it becomes double restricted
i think
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one of the worst formats i've ever played
I wanted to say that you are wrong but then i remembered that i hate Reg B so much just because of flutter mane iron bundle and Armadeedee
timber falcon
HO in this format doesnt feel very health, games are fast paced
molten oasis
reg b also sucked but it wasn't worse than a imo
timber falcon
everyone tryna sweep
molten oasis
needing a dozo counter is just, bleh
main spade
Whats everyones favourite starter? You obviously know mine but what about the rest of you?
timber falcon
Whats everyones favourite starter? You obviously know mine but what about the re...
i dont know urs
autumn vault
Whats everyones favourite starter? You obviously know mine but what about the re...
Emboar is mine
molten oasis
HO in this format doesnt feel very health, games are fast paced
thats just how restricteds are
autumn vault
Whats everyones favourite starter? You obviously know mine but what about the re...
Yours is Chesnaught
molten oasis
they're power houses and that just means kills happen very very fast
timber falcon
ig
molten oasis
HO meta isnt unhealthy imo
timber falcon
i find it boring
solid frigate
HO meta isnt unhealthy imo
its just fast paced
main spade
Emboar is mine
Good choice, really sucks that he's bad though, i wish he was more bulk focused
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
theres no 1 mon just absolutely dominating the format and there's interesting things you can do with new mons, like how pelipper and mienshao picked up in usage
timber falcon
why they do emboar so dirty with the defence
autumn vault
I just got beaten by an EQ tera ground Ray with upper hand Hawlucha and an orthworm
solid frigate
Whats everyones favourite starter? You obviously know mine but what about the re...
Greninja
And i did not even bother using it in SV due to Protean Nerf and Flutter Mane just exists
timber falcon
theres no 1 mon just absolutely dominating the format and there's interesting th...
pretty sure meinshao usage dropped once reg settled down
autumn vault
why they do emboar so dirty with the defence
They gave it the Excadrill treatment
molten oasis
used to be meow but playing ranked with it was fun
molten oasis
pretty sure meinshao usage dropped once reg settled down
still something to consider
autumn vault
High HP but bad defenses
main spade
why they do emboar so dirty with the defence
I know, the mans a caseoh level sumo wrestler and they gave him special attack?
timber falcon
still something to consider
true
molten oasis
you wouldn't consider mienshao in reg f
solid frigate
i want to make Greninja an Offensive Taunt user but Flutter Mane Exists
molten oasis
fast paced is fine
timber falcon
i want to make Greninja an Offensive Taunt user but Flutter Mane Exists
thats like saying caly-shadow cant be used cause of booster flutter
main spade
Here's a disturbing fact for you the heaviest starter isnt chesnaught, emboar or torterra, its skeledirge at 700LBS somehow
molten oasis
i think its unhealthy if 1 mon is just absolutely dominating the meta
this meta feels diverse
main spade
i think its unhealthy if 1 mon is just absolutely dominating the meta
Agreed
timber falcon
i think its unhealthy if 1 mon is just absolutely dominating the meta
well duh
molten oasis
lots of things are viable and capable of winning events
solid frigate
thats like saying caly-shadow cant be used cause of booster flutter
Greninja speed is 122,Flutter is 135.
There is no shot Greninja can do something
autumn vault
i think its unhealthy if 1 mon is just absolutely dominating the meta
Or 2 (tornshifu for example)
solid frigate
lots of things are viable and capable of winning events
i mean currently Umbreon seen some play and so does Gothitelle
main spade
Or 2 (tornshifu for example)
Anyone else believe in dark bear suppremacy?
timber falcon
Greninja speed is 122,Flutter is 135.
There is no shot Greninja can do somethin...
u can work round it, there are more obvious reasons why greninja sucks rn
autumn vault
Anyone else believe in dark bear suppremacy?
Me
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
Single strike is good just, rapid is better
molten oasis
Right now at least
solid frigate
look at how fucking frail it is-
Like i would say FLutter has better bulk at this point
timber falcon
dark is more versatile rn
molten oasis
Which I thought single would pick up in usage because of shadow rider
Excuse me how?
main spade
anybody here play living he- uuh pokemon unite?
autumn vault
I just realized that my Koraidon rental i deleted has rain dance tornadus
solid frigate
dark is more versatile rn
i can make Sash Greninja
molten oasis
Rapid is more versatile
timber falcon
i disagree
solid frigate
Gane has fallen off so hard
i hate it-
foggy lodge
Not that its just that its only restrictive to some legendaries, plus theres no ...
I don't think that's a problem
molten oasis
Ok how do you define versatile
foggy lodge
anybody here play living he- uuh pokemon unite?
I played it
timber falcon
more options via moveset, and items that work with it
foggy lodge
I dropped the game because my competitive team also dropped it
autumn vault
i hate it-
Trusting TiMi was one of the worst decisions TPF (the pokemon fuckers) made
main spade
Gane has fallen off so hard
Yeah the devs of that game really just dont like it, plus they are so braindead. Hey guys lets make a dead tree bulky and this giant metal dinosaur fragile
molten oasis
more options via moveset, and items that work with it
Ok so, no
forest arrow
Dark ursh only runs band/sash
molten oasis
What single strike can run like, poison jab ig
solid frigate
more options via moveset, and items that work with it
i'll try make Sash Greninja for no reason
molten oasis
Single runs band/sash and sometimes scarf
Rapid can run all of those plus mystic water and goggles
forest arrow
Single runs band/sash and sometimes scarf
true occasional scarf
molten oasis
So because rapid shifus are mostly scarf single strike is more versatile? That doesn’t make sense
timber falcon
top for RS is sahs, mystic water and sash ofc
solid frigate
Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Taunt
- Chilling Water
- Waterfall
- Haze
Don't ask why Haze is here,its for stat drops
wait Where the fuck is water Shuriken-
timber falcon
i never wanna see that set again
forest arrow
Rapid can run all of those plus mystic water and goggles
running goggles for the first time ever and honestly isnt too bad
main spade
Hows my man hydreigon doing at the moment?
solid frigate
i never wanna see that set again
thats why it sucks so badly in SV, i can't do anything
molten oasis
Ignoring amoonguss is really nice
timber falcon
So because rapid shifus are mostly scarf single strike is more versatile? That d...
i belive SS typing also helps
solid frigate
Rapid at least has no common resistances
timber falcon
You can’t hit fairies at all which is a relatively common Tera
without STAB*
molten oasis
Your stabs matter more on an urshifu
autumn vault
Hows my man hydreigon doing at the moment?
Not good
autumn vault
I hate flutter mane
molten oasis
Most shifus want the signature then priority then close combat
main spade
I hate flutter mane
I hate everything thats good basically
timber falcon
Your stabs matter more on an urshifu
i mean posion tera exists for defensive and offesive with pjab
molten oasis
And depending on your set you probably need u-turn if you’re going a choice item
forest arrow
Good synergy in being able to be part of FWG cores
molten oasis
Single strike does also struggle to fit in teams
molten oasis
i mean posion tera exists for defensive and offesive with pjab
Sure, but who’s running that rn
main spade
How did Hydreigon fall off?
solid frigate
Mienshao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Wide Guard
- Close Combat
- Coaching
Does this Mienshao works
timber falcon
And depending on your set you probably need u-turn if you’re going a choice item
i really disagree with priority on choice mons, ur barely gonna use that move so better to make it useful
molten oasis
Dark dragon just sucks into fairies
molten oasis
i really disagree with priority on choice mons, ur barely gonna use that move so...
They’re useful
timber falcon
Sure, but who’s running that rn
me-
molten oasis
Sometimes you generally need them to win
solid frigate
Dark dragon just sucks into fairies
and with Flutter and Now Zacian here,Hydreigon just dies
foggy lodge
How did Hydreigon fall off?
Flutter Mane became legal since reg B
forest arrow
Aqua jet in the back has been critical in games
molten oasis
Even on choice mons priority is valuable
timber falcon
Sometimes you generally need them to win
purely engame
foggy lodge
Just that lol
main spade
Dark dragon just sucks into fairies
Yeah, the misdreavus in drag really has him in a chokehold
molten oasis
purely engame
Yea and that matters
timber falcon
engame AND ow hp, doesnt happen too often
molten oasis
Happens enough
timber falcon
eh not to me really
shut schooner
Thanks for the info looks sick
molten oasis
I still don’t think that single strike being more versatile is valid
forest arrow
i agree
autumn vault
Yeah, the misdreavus in drag really has him in a chokehold
And Moon
molten oasis
Especially noting how much usage rapid gets rn
autumn vault
Moon shares the same typing as Hydreigon
molten oasis
Even with bolt fairly consistently being second in usage
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Prism Armor Necrozma-Dusk-Mane on a critical hit: 193-229 (94.6 - 112.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
I want to die-
molten oasis
I stg if you say what I think you’re about to say
timber falcon
resists on it are nice tbh
solid frigate
does Dusk Mane+Mienshao+Flutter Mane sound meh
molten oasis
Yea rapid shifu has a better defensive and offensive typing
You get more resists
And you’re not 4x weak to fairy
timber falcon
which fairy type attack is it living anyway?
main spade
Was dark bear better then water bear in gen 8?
molten oasis
which fairy type attack is it living anyway?
Rapid can live gleam from flutter
solid frigate
Was dark bear better then water bear in gen 8?
its mostly Rapid i think
timber falcon
Rapid can live gleam from flutter
with 0 investments???
main spade
its mostly Rapid i think
It's just a twin thing one does better than the other
molten oasis
Yes
solid frigate
It's just a twin thing one does better than the other
stop give me moments when i have to deal with Twins
molten oasis
Not from specs from booster speed
36 SpA Flutter Mane Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 134-162 (76.5 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
main spade
Are electivire, magmortar or rhyperior any good at the moment?
timber falcon
true it can even live 252
solid frigate
WAIT,
Does Fast Dusk Mane work
autumn vault
Are electivire, magmortar or rhyperior any good at the moment?
Rhyperior is decent, electivire and magmortar are worse than their pre evos
timber falcon
ik im just saying
molten oasis
It’s not, just, rapid is more versatile
Single is the worse form rn, but it still has a place
solid frigate
i don't know if Dusk Mane+Coaching Mienshao and Flutter Sounds
molten oasis
why do I try
forest arrow
like its not bad
timber falcon
why do I try
forest arrow
but rs is more versatile and commonly on teams other than ss
molten oasis
It’s also slapable
timber falcon
oh wait u mean as in usage on teams?
molten oasis
It’s harder to slot single
solid frigate
but rs is more versatile and commonly on teams other than ss
like i think Single Strike is more like slap on Sun Teams
forest arrow
Its almost like you build around single
foggy lodge
but rs is more versatile and commonly on teams other than ss
grass fire water core is everything in this game
main spade
I think im probably not gonna get into competitive, I try to win with my favourites so. Yeah im not destined to win anything, but it was fun chatting with you guys
foggy lodge
that helps him a lot
timber falcon
grass fire water core is everything in this game
nope not really
its just useful for balance
solid frigate
its a bonus
main spade
nope not really
Tell that to Wolfey
forest arrow
Sun teams and Ive seen it on hard TR teams
timber falcon
rapid strike is just rly nice as a fast offence for caly-s, also helps with pagos
solid frigate
Tell that to Wolfey
i tried a Lunala Team and i got second without touching Urshifu that much-
molten oasis
Fwg is good on most teams
solid frigate
Sun teams and Ive seen it on hard TR teams
like Dawn Wings or Lunala,they love it
timber falcon
Fwg is good on most teams
i mean when is it not good
forest arrow
I have goggles rs on my lunala team rn
molten oasis
Idk you just said it isn’t good
timber falcon
i feel like u can slot fwg into any team
timber falcon
Idk you just said it isn’t good
?
timber falcon
bro i said its not "everything"
molten oasis
It’s most things
willow vault
I like fwg cores
solid frigate
I have goggles rs on my lunala team rn
i still have Scarf RS on my Lunala Team but I think its doable since i got second with it
timber falcon
as in u can make a viable and winning team without it
molten oasis
And you then proceed to say “it’s only good for balance”
solid frigate
I like fwg cores
Building Dusk Mane ;-;
willow vault
solid frigate
oh boi i hate it already
willow vault
good luck
timber falcon
i meant to say the core is mainly used for balance, thats mb
molten oasis
Ig, my eyes hurt I need to take a nap
willow vault
interesting
timber falcon
rn i made a core of Dusk Mane,Flutter Mane and Mienshao
molten oasis
eh, anyway
timber falcon
idk why but the team sounds very, idk
like wheres the speed tier?
seems weak to stronger HO
solid frigate
idk why but the team sounds very, idk
Dusk Mane is so damn hard to build-
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/a45b6405a4e7bc09 so, uh, I’d like suggestions for a 6th to try out. I’ve tried incin chi yu and umbreon they just haven’t felt right
solid frigate
like if you see the movepool you understand why i am struggling to find any stuff
timber falcon
still cooking with zac huh
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/a45b6405a4e7bc09 so, uh, I’d like suggestions for a 6th to t...
i have one idea but its stupid, Iron Hands?
solid frigate
AV is in use
there are some Clear Amulet Hands as well
molten oasis
still cooking with zac huh
Why wouldn’t I be? I have NAIC next week
willow vault
lando-I?
solid frigate
the reason i said Iron Hands cuz of TR Mode
autumn vault
i have one idea but its stupid, Iron Hands?
Maybe Bolt is also good
You already use fighting with hands
molten oasis
lando I, hands, uh
autumn vault
And not dragon
willow vault
also likes rain, and zacian helps with its quad ice weakness, It's also great into Incineroar and with sludge bomb tera poison pretty good into Rillaboom and Clefairy
molten oasis
Zac just deals with like
timber falcon
the team looks like it loses to clefairy csr
timber falcon
i think snarl helps ur team
autumn vault
Raging Bolt looks good in your team, i think
molten oasis
Shifu complements with being able to remove incin and other fire/ground/steel types
Bolt isn’t getting access to av
So I’ve been hesitant on bolt
autumn vault
Doesn't need AV to shine
timber falcon
for that team looks like it does
autumn vault
AV is best but there are other options
timber falcon
my point still stands with csr wiping
molten oasis
Av would be the item choice on this team
solid frigate
Hands and Bolt don't need AV to shine yeah
molten oasis
my point still stands with csr wiping
I just have to play damage trades
bold geode
Comp chat be funny sometimes looking at some burnt takes
molten oasis
And the 3 dark types I’ve tried didn’t work
timber falcon
I just have to play damage trades
clefairy?
bold geode
And the 3 dark types I’ve tried didn’t work
Fine, here's dark type #4
molten oasis
Just click buttons
bold geode
Anyways, here's Wonderwall
molten oasis
If they lead incin I Tera ghost and remove it or just go straight for CSR
timber falcon
so theres chien pao on the team
molten oasis
Yes
timber falcon
does rilla NEED av? Or can it be a bit offensive there
molten oasis
I do NOT need another physical attacker
timber falcon
and give AV slot to smth else
molten oasis
I have av for a reason, I’m not getting rid of it
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
Or I’d prefer not to
autumn vault
I really like Bolt here
molten oasis
If I have a team with bolt and rilla rilla is getting the av
solid frigate
Lando I seems to be the only option-
timber falcon
yeah seems great there
autumn vault
Landorus is good
willow vault
I made a good suggestion, good luck with prep for NAIC
autumn vault
Against Clefairy with SB
timber falcon
bolt and lando, idk what lando helps with
strong spatck to for intim cycle, massive zama threat ect