competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

university got more exams?

[willow vault]

Good luck, I never had my gcse (it sounds great but really screwed me in college)

[willow vault]

Most do

[timber falcon]

i thought after yr 11 it was smooth sailing

[willow vault]

You still have a-levels which is primarily exams (depends on what you take)

[solid frigate]

its not

[willow vault]

And at most universities you have finals

[timber falcon]

oh i forgot abt these

[solid frigate]

yep i am going back to A Levels later so i have to prepare

[autumn vault]

My final one is tomorrow

[timber falcon]

didnt Sunak make some law about A-levels

[willow vault]

Good luck

[timber falcon]

good luck

[willow vault]

No idea

[solid frigate]

idek

[willow vault]

I had finished mine by that point

[autumn vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[willow vault]

Good luck, what subject?

[lofty tartan]

Tarkin

[autumn vault]

A language related one

[willow vault]

Oh, hope you the best

[solid frigate]

ummmmmmmmmm

[timber falcon]

sounds like a guy from starwars

[lofty tartan]

It is.

[solid frigate]

he is

[timber falcon]

oh lol

[solid frigate]

[willow vault]

I mean there are other policies much worse that rishi is trying to implement

[lofty tartan]

Portrayed by the late great Peter Cushing

[willow vault]

But enough about politics

[solid frigate]

i think i can't play Reg H like i do in Reg G cuz its probably about to be September

cuz if i am in A Levels i am in amount of P A I N

[timber falcon]

(last thing) but from what ive seen, hes basically just tryna make more a-levels and more people do them

[willow vault]

There not too bad, I swear

[willow vault]

That’s interesting…. But we don’t want more politics talk

[timber falcon]

dawg the RE gcse alone gave me shivers

[solid frigate]

eh i mean i have 3 subjects to choose from

Chemistry,Biology and Psychology

(Get the fuck out of my way Math)

[autumn vault]

Why i will move out of Spain after i graduate university (mostly because of the cost of university in the UK)

[timber falcon]

oh i knew u were from spain but wasnt aware u lived there

[willow vault]

I’m just gonna try find a job, and if that’s somewhere outside the uk I’ll move for it

[solid frigate]

i failed English GCSE before but i got my resit

[autumn vault]

Yes, and i hate it

[timber falcon]

oof

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[solid frigate]

but don't worry i passed the resit

[willow vault]

I failed Spanish

Didn’t want to resit it

[timber falcon]

im not a fan of my home country either, glad im in the England now

[autumn vault]

As a spanish myself i feel bad (i also hate spanish)

[solid frigate]

i barely passed Math and passed Chemistry and Biology

[willow vault]

Welp my home country is England and I quite like it here

[timber falcon]

aint that one of the easy ones to learn

[willow vault]

Why are we competing with how failed the most

[solid frigate]

UK is not that bad honestly,people just hate it

[solid frigate]

idk

[timber falcon]

i love it here honestly

[autumn vault]

Reasons why i don't like Spain:

1. Partying
2. People
3. Sun
4. Speak spanish language

[solid frigate]

yeah its better than Hong Kong rn at least

[willow vault]

My teacher taught us nothing for 4 years, I should have worked harder at home but I gave up since I didn’t have exams

[timber falcon]

reasons i dont like where im from: behind technologically + currupt gov

[willow vault]

People hate it because of our past

[timber falcon]

oof

[autumn vault]

True, although i don't live in it i been there a couple of times and it is beautiful

[willow vault]

Which is entirely valid

[timber falcon]

wym?

[solid frigate]

tell that to Hong Kong

[autumn vault]

And also i love rain

And grass

[solid frigate]

Hong Kong's Technology is great but Corrupt Government+another Corrupt Puppet Government

[willow vault]

Colonisation, killing a lot of natives and stealing things to put in a museum to say a few (and maybe a sale we made in China with opium)

A lot of sales in fact

[autumn vault]

But thats in the past

[solid frigate]

honestly i am fine with the China part-

[autumn vault]

Countries change

[solid frigate]

at least Hong Kong exists as an entity now

[timber falcon]

sorry if this offends anyone, but i found the whole opium thing hilarious when i learned it in class, the concept

[willow vault]

It is an odd thing to find out

[solid frigate]

its fucking hilarious trust me

[timber falcon]

like they just be selling drugs for tea????

[willow vault]

Yep

[timber falcon]

crazy

[autumn vault]

Damn

[timber falcon]

i mean most countries did this

[autumn vault]

And you brits helped Spain to not lose to napoleon back in the 1800s

[solid frigate]

and also China's Navy Sucked af compare to British Empire

Dude its like Finneon compare to Kyogre

[timber falcon]

i dont think its a reason to hate a country in the present

[autumn vault]

This, i agree a lot

[willow vault]

We got so many people addicted to opium that they barred us from selling more, so we burnt down some stuff and sold way more

[timber falcon]

fr, they rolled up with steel ships 😭

[solid frigate]

i mean......

We literally made a Rebel flag for Hong Kong-

[autumn vault]

Damn, too much opium

The first problem was selling it

[willow vault]

I mean we didn’t want it

[autumn vault]

Second was selling it too much

[timber falcon]

they REALLY wanted tea

[autumn vault]

I can tell

[solid frigate]

I'm legit serious when we want Independence

[autumn vault]

I don't blame you

[solid frigate]

moment

[autumn vault]

And i still wonder why does china have more than 1 billion people in it

[timber falcon]

hopefully u get it

[solid frigate]

probably not but then again i am in UK

[timber falcon]

also i think were slowly slipping into politics again

[solid frigate]

China was technically also made of 54 Ethnicity

[autumn vault]

Not your problem

[willow vault]

I feel like the uk gets a bad wrap, it’s a very good country even if we are a political mess

[solid frigate]

lemme get the map

[lofty tartan]

There are reasons - it's not as simple as telling people to not have babies. Population is a highly compounded issue there.

[autumn vault]

Ik overpopulation is a reason for the 1 billion people but damn

[timber falcon]

man u should see what people on the internet think of America, surely it cant be as bad as the streotypes

[lofty tartan]

No overpopulation is not a reason, that's the end result.

[solid frigate]

China is like this right?

[willow vault]

You’d be surprised we are really disliked across much of the globe

[autumn vault]

I see an axe at the top

This looks like an axe thats swinging

Or a hammer i guess

[lofty tartan]

[timber falcon]

probs the whole museum thing

[willow vault]

Partially

[solid frigate]

Reality is just this

the Blue are technically not really Chinese

[willow vault]

We will say the worst of it is the trans-Atlantic stuff

We did a lot of bad

[timber falcon]

what heppened there? idk if i know about that

[solid frigate]

and No don't say Taiwan is China cuz its definitely not

[timber falcon]

OH

[lofty tartan]

Probably should move back to the competitive VGC discussion because this has derailed into some weird territory and people talking about a bunch of stuff they're not really educated on lol

[timber falcon]

WAIT NVM i remember

[willow vault]

Will do

[solid frigate]

sure

[autumn vault]

Agree

[timber falcon]

then again, they took the first step in ending it

[autumn vault]

I only know spanish history

So idk about Chinese/english history

[willow vault]

Anyways, I feel like volcarona is really undervalued primarily because Incineroar exists

[autumn vault]

And Chi-Yu

[solid frigate]

its underrated support

[willow vault]

We said to stop

[solid frigate]

Not Chi Yu

[timber falcon]

ik ik

[autumn vault]

STOP

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-hammer-stop-hammer-time-cant-touch-this-super-freak-hip-hop-gif-24612402

[willow vault]

When we are told to stop, that’s when we overstepped and we take a step back

[timber falcon]

i didnt see the message mb

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[autumn vault]

true, quiver dance exists but in terms of offense then Chi-Yu is good and helps others too

Volc is very good as support

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu is decent on facing Calyrex (Both), until High Horsepower Comes in

[timber falcon]

any ideas of how to ev palkia origin?

[autumn vault]

True

[willow vault]

I think rn it’s far better as support then damage

[autumn vault]

And volc can burn CIR that target it with HH

And other contact physical attackers

Like Urshifu, RIllaboom

[autumn vault]

Idk i don't play Palkia

[willow vault]

Indeed it’s super good

[autumn vault]

I only play Dialga Zekrom Reshiram Kyurem (both) Dusk Mane Lunala Dawn Wings Zamazenta Zacian koraidon Miraidon and Terapagos

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

So idk about Palkia's ev spread

[timber falcon]

i dont feel like much has to go into spatck

[autumn vault]

Also Jugulis with Dragon Cheer is very good with Palkia

And becomes a crit machine with spacial rend

[willow vault]

Well regular Palkia ran max special attack from what I saw

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[willow vault]

And by saw I mean what I ran lmao

[autumn vault]

That explains why you said that

I was about to ask "Saw? Dont you run Palkia a lot?"

[willow vault]

Not so much anymore

[autumn vault]

Fair

[willow vault]

I was busy with essays

Time to go back to the best restricted

[autumn vault]

I was busy with Exams, projects and very few essays

Tomorrow i will work on my Koraidon team in game and post a rental of it

I already done an in-depth notes for the team

[timber falcon]

looks like im in for a long game :/

[autumn vault]

Damn

Hope it ends sooner than you expected

[willow vault]

Oh, that’s does not look fun

[timber falcon]

toxapex got one tapped lul

[autumn vault]

lul

Maybe i am right

[timber falcon]

banded lando stronk

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

Stronk

[willow vault]

Not the smash 64 trailer memes

[timber falcon]

7 turn win wow

[willow vault]

That seems improbably fast

[autumn vault]

Yes I know your name OTOT

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133750309

[autumn vault]

Asian name right there

And totorules

[timber falcon]

oath of secrecy 🤝

[autumn vault]

Yes

I mustn't say your name here

Don't ask any of this

[solid frigate]

Yeah its Chinese

[timber falcon]

also i feel like cres is a liability for the team

its not fast enough to control the speed in a way i want it

[solid frigate]

it depends on what team

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/3c08b9f5e551b174 the team

[timber falcon]

yeah it rly does tbh

[autumn vault]

Run icy wind if you want better speed control

T-Wave is not amazing

And less accurate

And affects only 1 pokemon at a time

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is good wit Cress cuz it has similar Speed Stats

My Terapagos:108
Cresselia:105

[timber falcon]

t-wave works for me cause it helps outspeed the faster mons, but the main problem is the speed of cresselia

[solid frigate]

tell Tofu about it-

[autumn vault]

Nah man, i don't want to

[timber falcon]

ill try find a faster mon of speed control

[autumn vault]

Then add a bit more speed, i think

[willow vault]

That’s so fair

[solid frigate]

he originally give me the idea of T-Wave Cress

[autumn vault]

Or try a new one

[timber falcon]

oh yeah and the typing

pure psychic isnt favourable lol

[dapper crag]

- [Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

I thought it was about the sleep powder/magma storm/sand tomb incident monke said, but thats a better reason

[solid frigate]

its not very good

[timber falcon]

2 resist

oooooo

[solid frigate]

Cresselia mostly accels on Bulk and Healing

[willow vault]

Latvias is better imo

[timber falcon]

they got the levitate and icy wind im looking or

[lofty tartan]

Just run twave Grimm

[solid frigate]

Ah yes

[autumn vault]

This, i really love T-Wave grimm

[timber falcon]

idk about 3 dark types on the team though

[autumn vault]

Slows down opponents a lot with screens and T-Wave

[solid frigate]

Latios and Latias are countries

[timber falcon]

and stopped by priorty blockers

[timber falcon]

wait what?

[autumn vault]

Why did i read this as Ladislava?

[willow vault]

Yes

[autumn vault]

GN people

Pretty late

[solid frigate]

I think the reason i run Cresselia because of Lunar Blessing honestly

[timber falcon]

gn

[autumn vault]

Atleast, for a thursday

[willow vault]

Is that a combination of bratislava and Latvia?

[timber falcon]

how come?

[willow vault]

Good night

[autumn vault]

No, its a name in Fire Emblem

[willow vault]

Better bulk

[timber falcon]

but latios has better damage

[solid frigate]

i can try Latias

i have a Shiny Latias

[timber falcon]

lucky u

[willow vault]

Since they are primarily support mons, damage is less of a focal point especially since you have cb Landorus-t

[timber falcon]

i mean all i want from them is speed control

[solid frigate]

i only got that becayse of that Go Fest

[timber falcon]

and not dying to EQ

[autumn vault]

Fair

[willow vault]

So if they are here for speed control what would be better the thing that lives longer or the thing that dies quicker

[timber falcon]

u make a good point

[solid frigate]

i can run a similar Set for Latias

[willow vault]

Latias bulk just makes it more reliable at gaining speed control

[timber falcon]

oh wait

even better they get tailwind

[willow vault]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

Not a definitive thing but it's a good way to visualize your defensive coverage

[timber falcon]

lemme do some defensive calcs

[solid frigate]

somehow i am making my team Less bulky-

[willow vault]

I love using those

[lofty tartan]

You need a fairy resist.

[timber falcon]

yeah i dont like flutter

[lofty tartan]

I just don't think Palkia is that good - Origin Forme less so

[timber falcon]

my only reasoning for using it is cause i want to, i know its not good, im going for a niche team

[lofty tartan]

You've got a really weird speed tier and you're looking to rely on Cress Twave for speed control.

You're not gonna get your speed control off until usually last in a turn.

[timber falcon]

yeah that why cres is getting replaced

too slow for fast speed control

[lofty tartan]

I don't think Latios is it either.

[timber falcon]

hm

[lofty tartan]

You're adding another dark weakness and another fairy weakness and another dragon weakness

[willow vault]

As someone who has used Palkia I will say I prefer trick room Palkia (normal form), it feels slightly better, also because ursaluna eq is very threatening under tr

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/781a759c9be010ed
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lofty tartan]

Palkia/Dialga work way better in dedicated trick room comps

[timber falcon]

?

[lofty tartan]

Corviknight is also slow speed control.

[timber falcon]

oh yeah

[lofty tartan]

He's 67 base speed

Just run Torn dude. You have no electric weaknesses and an immunity.

You've got two ice resists.

[timber falcon]

yeah i was gonna say, theres not much reason for me not to run torn

[solid frigate]

wait a second,

If i run Latias i am just running a second Tornadus-

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 244 HP / 4 SpD Latias in Electric Terrain: 90-107 (48.3 - 57.5%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO

[timber falcon]

yeah i denied the idea of torn cause when bulding i had no resist at first

[timber falcon]

modest?

[solid frigate]

its specs,they always run Timid-

[lofty tartan]

Do you need the double intimidate? It makes it tougher to move into any possible defiant mons and Lando-I is pretty underrated

[timber falcon]

not really, they werent there purely for intimidate

[willow vault]

If you want stab, eq ursaluna with guts in tr is right here

Which works better for Palkia aswell

[solid frigate]

imagine someone made Eerie Impulse Thundurus with Defiant Kingambit-

[timber falcon]

i know, im making 2 seperate teams, fast eq, and slow eq, to see what i prefer

the slow one uses dialga

[chrome knot]

headlong rush

[pearl wind]

that doesnt work

[solid frigate]

oh nvm

[pearl wind]

1. cant activate defiant on your partner 2. gambit is a dark type

[willow vault]

It’s for a team there building, they want to use levitate

[timber falcon]

skill swap intimidate

[lofty tartan]

EQ is much much worse in a format heavily populated by Rillaboom

[solid frigate]

moment

[pearl wind]

you can activate contrary on your partner tho

[solid frigate]

Serperior moment

[willow vault]

Make it defiant thundy, it doesn’t fix the other issue but it fixes the second problem

[willow vault]

Yep

[timber falcon]

yeah im tryna find a way round that

[solid frigate]

So

Latias or Cresselia

[willow vault]

Indeedee time

[lofty tartan]

Headlong Rush.

Lol

[timber falcon]

i mean for lando

[willow vault]

See that’s the sensible solution, but your playing Palkia why is sensible something your thinking of

[timber falcon]

i mean i do have tantrum

[willow vault]

The less sensible on Palkia the better it is

[lofty tartan]

Don't run EQ.

You can still run levitate without EQ. You've got two types weak to Ground with likely no protect.

[timber falcon]

btw anyone have evs for rocky helm lando?

[timber falcon]

ok

[lofty tartan]

So unless specifically Cresselia/Torn is on the board or you have a mon with protect, and Rillaboom wasn't in play, you're not clicking EQ

So don't even bother with it. It's too conditional for it to go right.

[willow vault]

I am not helping I’ll disappear so sensibility returns

[timber falcon]

u make a good point

[lofty tartan]

And never ever could you EQ with Incin/Gambit in play unless you burn your Tera for them to not get chunked/ded by EQ

And that's a terrible reason to burn tera

Unless, at worst, you're Flying Tera Gambit

[timber falcon]

yeah i didnt think that part through

[lofty tartan]

And still like.. you're not burning Tera to create an advantageous position against you're opponent, you're doing it so your mon doesn't kill your other mon

[shut schooner]

Ranked doubles is just as bad as singles imagine having 630 Pokemon and really only 20 to 30 of them are viable in the game out of story mode

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean people run things that are good - it's a crazy idea.

[shut schooner]

Yeah not here to talk s*** that's all I wanted to say

[timber falcon]

here we have a hot take

[lofty tartan]

Thanks for contributing nothing meaningful to the discussion

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmm

So Latias or Cresselia

[timber falcon]

btw its just called a meta

[willow vault]

Outside of me, I am never run sensible things

[shut schooner]

Yeah just give him my opinion getting some feedback from you guys being a part of the conversation is allowed and just cuz you don't like what I say doesn't mean you have to be a little

[timber falcon]

i think for ur pagos team tw is better so latias, but u gota test it first

[solid frigate]

Latias @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 68 SpA / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Mist Ball
• Icy Wind
• Thunder Wave
• Heal Pulse

basically similar set

[willow vault]

You agreed with my opinion, I’m shocked

[timber falcon]

hm protect needed

[lofty tartan]

Be a little what? It's not "not liking what you say" it's noting that you're just complaining incessantly about people running good mons and not playing your way. It's not anything

[timber falcon]

am sensible sometimes 👍

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nobody-cares-not-a-big-deal-its-fine-no-big-deal-gif-16076896

[solid frigate]

but which move

to replace

[willow vault]

Same

[timber falcon]

for one, u cannot touch dark typed, id have two attacking moves

[solid frigate]

so T Wave it is?

[timber falcon]

mhm

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'd say Twave

[shut schooner]

I didn't say anything after little cuz I figured you'd fill it in and also this is an open discussion you don't get to decide what's useful cuz it's a discussion not everything has to be a Pokemon Loadout I'm allowed to say an opinion out of frustration to the only people I know who also play Pokemon @lofty tartan

[solid frigate]

Latias @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 68 SpA / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Mist Ball
• Icy Wind
• Protect
• Heal Pulse

[timber falcon]

yeah i like this better

[willow vault]

[solid frigate]

time to make this Latias

[lofty tartan]

Nah you're just trying to avoid using open insults to avoid breaking server rules and it's cute and fine and whatever, but all you're doing is complaining about the meta being "20 - 30 mons" and it's just nothing. It's fine. You can keep doing it and see how far it goes with people. I'm just gonna block and move on

[shut schooner]

Ya dug

Duh

[chrome knot]

Latios kinda better ngl

[solid frigate]

i feel bad for abandoning Cresselia but i still love her

[shut schooner]

You just weren't smart enough to fill it in

[timber falcon]

for that type of set?

[shut schooner]

That took alot to figure out for you lol

[timber falcon]

wouldnt bulk be more favourable?

[shut schooner]

And you're kind of being a dick to me first little

[timber falcon]

no point arguing here, never takes anyone anywhere

[lofty tartan]

Keep trying to provoke me and I'm going to report you.

[shut schooner]

I'm not man

You came at me sideways because you didn't like my opinion weep

[lofty tartan]

Leaving out the insult and implying it is still insulting.

Your opinion isn't "not likeable". It's nothing - it's excessive venting.

[solid frigate]

lets just ignore that nobody honestly

[chrome knot]

chat be normal challenge

[timber falcon]

impossible

[solid frigate]

Mission Impossible

[chrome knot]

@lofty tartan what is stopping you from blocking him and moving on

[willow vault]

Impossible

[chrome knot]

you are being equally as annoying letting it drag on

[lofty tartan]

Because I still see his blocked messages and the attempted provocation. Like I still see your messages.

[chrome knot]

you say that like i care, anyway just move on

[lofty tartan]

So I unblocked him to warn him if he keeps attempting to provoke me then I'll report him for violating server rules. It was in fairness

[chrome knot]

we cant go a single fucking day without this chat derailing and just being cringe

[shut schooner]

Provoking ill intentions much lol I was venting and not excessively either

[timber falcon]

oh yeah, anyone have a relatively bulky set for tornadus?

[solid frigate]

its not the first guy does that honestly

[lofty tartan]

Every day is excessive. Blocking again - please stop replying to me trying to provoke me.

[chrome knot]

its been quite consistent yes

[willow vault]

We can’t

[strange fjord]

oh boi. more drama in competitive chat. what is it this time?

[chrome knot]

nobody is provoking you, im telling you stop dragging it on💀

[timber falcon]

hot take gone wrong

[lofty tartan]

I wasn't talking to you. Lmfao.

You were never unblocked.

[chrome knot]

okay.

[willow vault]

Hi Pizza

[chrome knot]

as if blocking me matters you click on all my messages anyways

[strange fjord]

hello

[solid frigate]

Hoi

[lofty tartan]

So back to the Palkia thing

[timber falcon]

so uh, any torn sets

[solid frigate]

I have one

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Torn is easy

[solid frigate]

Indra (Tornadus) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD / 28 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Rain Dance

[timber falcon]

im thinking rocky helm for rapid shifu

[lofty tartan]

Rocky is fine.

I like Sash

[solid frigate]

no mental Herb tho

[lofty tartan]

Covert Cloak also good.

[timber falcon]

ill replace dance for prot too

[shut schooner]

And I have been really successful With a Cali Rex urshifu terapogos archuladon pelliper and cressilia team but I hate have to spam legend just to not suck ya know? I wish I had more options out of the 623 or whatever it is

[lofty tartan]

Like maybe less on Rocky unless you're gonna try to EV to live surging strikes and even then like...

I dunno. Sorta okay?

[timber falcon]

u do have many options btw, it takes creativity and understandinf the meta

u can use the weakness of those 20-30 mons and make it ur benefit

[lofty tartan]

He's just gonna argue against it, OTOT, don't even bother.

[shut schooner]

He gets salty at someone provokes them and is mad their mad lol kinda silly

[chrome knot]

just drop it

[timber falcon]

was just tryna help out

[chrome knot]

i dont care lmao

[lofty tartan]

Yeah we tried helping out before.

He doesn't want help.

[willow vault]

Everyone we stop, we don’t care anymore talk about something else

[shut schooner]

That's true it's just a lot of my favorite ones aren't meta which is a shame because they're good or they're not bad but they're just not cutting it

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm trying to help with a Palkia team I thought xD

[chrome knot]

my favourite mon fuckin BLOWS ass in this gen for vg

[willow vault]

Most of mine aren’t in this gen

[lofty tartan]

If you're going for fast offensive Torn, use Sash

[chrome knot]

LOL fair

[lofty tartan]

But if you're going for a more bulky Torn then Cloak is solid.

[timber falcon]

i feel u, my fav mons are swampert and lugia which are tough to get to work, just means the teambuilding process will be harder but in the end it can benefit u

[willow vault]

Pangoro and Escavalier both aren’t,

[timber falcon]

as in use the mon u wanna

[timber falcon]

well uh, i have cloak on gambit

[strange fjord]

speaking of favorites, thoughts on this new team?
https://pokepast.es/03ab2bdcc9d1e616

[lofty tartan]

Cloak on Gambit? What?

Why?

[solid frigate]

Greninja ain't it as well

[timber falcon]

that stops most defiant chances doesnt it, wait a min

[willow vault]

Damn your cooking

[lofty tartan]

Yes, it does.

[timber falcon]

idk why

[shut schooner]

Really want to run Sceptile and kommo -o bro

[timber falcon]

ill replace that

[lofty tartan]

Yes, you should lol. My man what are you doing

[solid frigate]

they aren't bad

[lofty tartan]

You want them to click Icy Wind into a Kingambit switch or something

[timber falcon]

sceptile has some niches with unburden and endavour, kommo-o is the classic iron defence and body press, a decent mon

[shut schooner]

They're just not viable in this meta

[lofty tartan]

I've had people Icy with Gambit on field.

They just don't think about other stat drops activating Defiant

[timber falcon]

yeah so cloak is just a bad idea in general

[lofty tartan]

Put Cloak on Torn

[timber falcon]

ok

[strange fjord]

clear amulet kingambit 😈

[lofty tartan]

Then you get speed control without any disruption to it unless Taunt

[shut schooner]

Whenever I go inside I'll send you guys my setups for them but it seems like Komodo gets killed before I can never set up clangerous soul and Sceptile I'm trying to run with dig and a ground paratype and should I run unburden over his like solar powered or whatever it is I just got the ability patches to change it from overgrow today

[timber falcon]

ok so now what item will gambit have

[lofty tartan]

Assault Vest?

[timber falcon]

thats on incin, and i kinda like it on incin for this team

[lofty tartan]

Then Black Glasses

[timber falcon]

ok

[lofty tartan]

Other option is Safety Goggles

[solid frigate]

Use Unburden Electric Seed Sceptile with Shed Tail,Pair with Miraidon

[lofty tartan]

Goggles is good because Gambit really weak into Amoonguss

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i need this

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Goggs Gambit is fine

[shut schooner]

Might do that I got to try to get him a miraidon on again

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/wC9GfeHN9UI?si=-LoFgi8SNPuedu9K

HMMMMMMMMMm

[willow vault]

they were not ready for me to keep attacking with my comfey lmao https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133774399-7kf46p23bzbqlribj93x3a524ywhnq1pw

[shut schooner]

Komo-o has poison tera with clangourus soul scale shot poison jab and drain punch with loaded dice

[lofty tartan]

Swampert

[shut schooner]

Advice

[willow vault]

I think there is a good chance its Incineroar

[solid frigate]

Kek

[solid frigate]

i mean restricteds

[timber falcon]

ok so i think ive got the team down

[willow vault]

probably like around a 70% chance, I know they meant restricteds

Its double restricted for worlds right?

[timber falcon]

thanks to the vid pizza showed me yesterday i think abt the outcome of a KO rather than the primal insinct to kill

[shut schooner]

Any thoughts on Karen White about to use one I've just been trying to figure out the best setup right now I have frostburn Dragon poles Fusion flare and not a fourth one chose yet and I don't have an item or tera type chose either

Dragon pulse

Kyrem

[willow vault]

if it is double restricteds then i think it will be cosmoem and Yveltal

[solid frigate]

singles restricteds

[timber falcon]

btw @lofty tartan much thanks for the help

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[willow vault]

I mostly do, but if Im on low ladder less so

[lofty tartan]

Yeah just run it and see if it works out - that'll show you if you need to patch a hole or something is threatening that you didn't think to cover for

[willow vault]

oh then cosmog

[timber falcon]

mhm will do

[lofty tartan]

People spend way too long in the builder.

[solid frigate]

kek

[lofty tartan]

Speaking off spending too long in the builder, I gotta test this Lunala team out more.

[willow vault]

do you want to bo3 for practice with the team

[shut schooner]

Is this chat more for Showdown or for Scarlet ranked

[strange fjord]

Cosmog and Cosmoem on my double restricted team 😈

[shut schooner]

I didn't mean to reply to you @willow vault

[willow vault]

we play both

[willow vault]

oh no, you've cooked too much my stove burnt

[strange fjord]

Basically playing Reg F with only 4 Pokemon in Reg H lol

[shut schooner]

Don't forget kubfu for spread

[strange fjord]

aw hell nah 💀

[willow vault]

so your team will be cosmog, cosmoem, zoroark-h, rhydon and what other 2?

[timber falcon]

thanks for the offer but im playing a different game rn with my brother

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1717102686:R>.

[willow vault]

ok

[shut schooner]

I honestly thought you were joking broski I didn't realize you were talking about Regulation H And regulation f lol

[lofty tartan]

Raichu and Honchkrow

[shut schooner]

I didn't realize Cosmeom and cosmog were viable

[willow vault]

sheesh

[shut schooner]

Eveolites I assume?

[willow vault]

I love Honchcrow, one of my original favourites, platinum was my first game, so nostalgia

[shut schooner]

I got the pink pimp himself shiny hunch girl

Hunch Crow I'll be using voice to text I don't care if my spelling is wrong

@lofty tartan

[solid frigate]

somehow my results with Latias is worse than Cresselia-

[willow vault]

Probably because your more used to using cresselia

[solid frigate]

Cresselia fits better with Turtle in Speed Tier, both speed are so close by 3 points

thats why i feel like its better

[willow vault]

Makes sense

[solid frigate]

yeah...

i might change back to Cress

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[solid frigate]

Latias will be in another Team

but just dunno which one

[willow vault]

Ok

[solid frigate]

Anyways

maybe i can try to make Sets for the restricteds for fun

[willow vault]

Ooh

I’m currently making a zamazenta player rethink their life choices

[solid frigate]

All of them. minus Cosmog and Cosmoem

[solid frigate]

huh

[willow vault]

There only attacking move is body press and I have Lunala and ghost Tera Heatran out

I knocked out their other mons

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[willow vault]

Yep

I removed their other mons in 6 turns and just ran timer for another 3 turns as they kept body pressing ghost types

[solid frigate]

lmao

[willow vault]

Can I help?

[solid frigate]

in VC?

[willow vault]

Sure

[shut schooner]

Is my setup alright it has allyswitch because I've been doing doubles today

[solid frigate]

as a Cresselia user

3/10

[shut schooner]

Suggestions

Double team and ally switch are what I really like tbh but it's hit or miss

[dapper crag]

Ground, Ice

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Poison, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[shut schooner]

Someone freaking whoop me with their terrapagos because I kept on being able to heal back up to full health so I couldn't deal the super effective damage I needed to

They

[solid frigate]

turtl moment

[shut schooner]

Ya on god but it was my fault for letting them set up then the whirlwind mine out and baton passed to him or something like that I was sad made me cry a little bit

[dapper crag]

Ability: Color Change

This Pokemon's type changes to match the type of the last move that hit it, unless that type is already one of its types. This effect applies after all hits from a multi-hit move. This effect is prevented if the move had a secondary effect removed by the Sheer Force Ability.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[next stump]

https://x.com/the_one_gio/status/1796293337374450174?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Gio™ (@the_one_gio) on X

Took a while to get all the cards but happy to finally have this on my wall.

Twitter · May 30, 2024, 9:31 PM

[timber falcon]

that looks so cool

[dapper crag]

Fire, Dragon

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dragon, Grass, Ice, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/3fe324b82696c420 tested the team out and made a few tweaks

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

scarf on lando cause constantly being outsped by caly-s was annoying

and moongus over meinshao cause 1. didnt need the fo + wide guard much 2. the team lacked redirection and moongus pretty much handles watershifu by itself

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Weight (Low Kick BP)

83kg (80 BP)

Height

1.8m

Introduced

Generation 7

Pre-evolution

Torracat

Egg groups

Field

Gender Ratio

M: 87.5%, F: 12.5%

Color

Red

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[bold geode]

https://x.com/baaaaat_/status/1795950824171995528?t=SY0Mz3Qvsk1n5B0lN6fQgQ&s=33

alexis✨ (@baaaaat_) on X

I would like to make everyone aware that the second best placing Zamazenta at the Mexico City Special Event does not have the shield. Its Grassy Seed.

Twitter · May 29, 2024, 10:50 PM

[timber falcon]

madibuzz ?

eh it has some nice status moves and ability

[dapper crag]

Mandibuzz's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bone Rush, Brave Bird, Cut, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Feint Attack, Fly, Foul Play, Frustration, Fury Attack, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Lash Out, Payback, Pluck, Punishment, Retaliate, Return, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Gust, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Fake Tears, Feather Dance, Flatter, Iron Defense, Leer, Mean Look, Mirror Move, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Mandibuzz.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 630: Mandibuzz

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Big Pecks, Overcoat, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/65/105/55/95/80

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

wait a minute

[bold geode]

Yeah Mandibuzz ain't looking too bad actually tf

[timber falcon]

i didnt even read it, grassy seed zama

fr its got what it needs to work

[rustic mountain]

u ready for the wolves to win tn and force a g6

[cyan smelt]

I wanted to use mandibuzz a bit ago

[forest arrow]

Grassy seed zama?

[rustic mountain]

think some1 placed high w/ it at the mexico city special event

[forest arrow]

I mean kind of makes sense but like you lose steel typing and a good bit of bulk

you do get a little faster

interesting choice

https://pokepast.es/fe7abbf4214769b5

here it is

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e67499776dd791f5
https://pokepast.es/dcab6f8153e13b02
https://pokepast.es/f66d81a020c88b1e

[misty helm]

So I just had a thought would you think special talonflame would work equally to physical

Considering it’s a 7 base stat point difference

If you think about it the only physical moves it benefits from have recoil

If you were to run hurricane and fire blast instead would it be equally effective to the physical set

[mighty stump]

Talonflame only ever run mixed at most

[bold geode]

I'm ready for us to go to a finals

[bold geode]

Babe help me

[hallow karma]

anyone want to callenge with me and my cousins? you could be teamed with one of them or me

[forest arrow]

wit?

[cyan smelt]

Eh my team's not that bad even though I'm at a low elo in bo3, 59.5% gxe but still need to make improvements

[bold geode]

Help me by giving me a name choice for blue monkey

[molten oasis]

i've gotta just figure out what my 6th is gonna be

Pablo

[cyan smelt]

I know I need ting lu on the team for caly s and miraidon but idk what EVs to give it

And it needs assault vest but then rilla needs another item

[strange fjord]

miracle seed?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah miracle seed will have to do

[balmy glen]

Choice band

🙂

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133886598-0vxkpkf8g11oq3v17hab1c5zi4r75l2pw
knocked em outta top 15

[forest arrow]

Rafiki

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah? what you decide on

[molten oasis]

pao shifu zac torn and rilla are locked

im kinda stuck on a 6th

when i get around to playing im gonna test chi yu

my worst mu is shadow rider, the draining kiss ones

[forest arrow]

Nice Chi Yu should be good into that match up, didnt like umbreon into it?

[molten oasis]

its bad into the draining kiss variants

[forest arrow]

True

[molten oasis]

oh well

i cant do scarf chi yu which is the one id use

cuz i want scarf on shifu

[forest arrow]

Yeah chi yu might be better there takes it neutrally at least

[cyan smelt]

I'm really tempted to try CB rilla

[forest arrow]

Sash?

pao

hmm

[bold geode]

How I not think of Rafiki

[forest arrow]

literally perfect for it

[molten oasis]

specs or lorb

[forest arrow]

yeah maybe orb

[solid frigate]

lmao i haven't caught the titan Tatsu-

[bold geode]

Yes I love Specs Pao

[molten oasis]

i was never saying anything about using pao

with specs

[cyan smelt]

Clear amulet pao

[bold geode]

I realized it was Chi Yu afterwards
I never claimed I could read

[molten oasis]

i figured

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/058ba4a1dda158f6 we're cooking

[molten oasis]

interesting

how's it holding up on ladder?

[mighty stump]

Idk i just started

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133909479-8x32mz5rmn4e6wri3v9rhljxqlibpcrpw

[molten oasis]

well, good luck with your games

[mighty stump]

All we do is spam

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

If youre wondering the reasonings

• Ho-Oh and Ting-Lu is just natural synergy w Sacred Fire + VoR
• Banded Ting lets you actually output pressure with EQ spam, you punish Rillaboom heavily with Ho-Oh
• Ice Spinner Dnite is another way of Rilla hate, clears Terrain to keep the EQs going. Flying + faster
• Amoonguss + Gholdengo just eats Caly-Ice and Zam
• Urshifu completes FWG

Slapped it together in like 5 minutes and so far its

Useable

I love not missing

😎

You can also probably consider Gyara

No clue what I’ll do into Kyo

Probably have to use Dnite + Amoong

Iirc Bronzong gets WG so that was also a consideration

[molten oasis]

neat

[balmy glen]

How do u beat Korai Chien with this btw

Or like anything Korai ig

[solid frigate]

tortol vibe

[cyan smelt]

Tortol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/vestiulisrealxd-turtle-dance-jump-gif-15031635

[strange fjord]

tortol gonna not do great against koraidon

just in general tho

[solid frigate]

either weather manipulation, outspeeding or burning

[solid frigate]

i have thought of Wo Chien Before but idk

its literally Koraidon Food

[molten oasis]

wo chien has to tera infront of like

everything

[solid frigate]

yeah that's why i don't want to use it cuz i am using Terapagos

its just a consideration

[abstract grail]

https://pokepast.es/cc2bd2515a6bd867

Could I please get some feedback on this team? I tried doing something fun using both pokemon I like and pokemon that are meta, and overall I'm pretty happy with it I bealive. It's a hard trick room team with Caly-Ice as my restricted.

Sadly no goodra 😔 I couldn't find a way to my favorite slug thing in there, but the teams better off without em-

[solid frigate]

that's like 3 TR Setters-

and Honestly

[solid frigate]

Hisuian Goodra looks good in here

[abstract grail]

Oh fr? My slug can cook?!?!

[solid frigate]

If its Hisuian Goodra,I think it can work

[shut schooner]

So when playing singles in scarlet should I be making two teams of 3 instead of one of six since it's only pic 3

[solid frigate]

Ursaluna i have a set for you

[abstract grail]

Replace urs for his goo?

[solid frigate]

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 140 HP / 156 Atk / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Facade
• Headlong Rush
• Earthquake
• Protect

[solid frigate]

Replace Hatterene with Goodra

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

also Calyrex Replace Swords Dance with High Horsepower

Lemme fix the sets

[abstract grail]

Are they not very goo?

[solid frigate]

some of them need some fixing

[abstract grail]

I think I did pretty decent for one of my first custom from scratch teams, but it definitely could use work I'd assume.

Makes sense.

[solid frigate]

but i would say for a beginner its decent

[abstract grail]

Aww, thanks I appreciate that.

[solid frigate]

lemme fix the sets

[abstract grail]

Okayy

[molten oasis]

the arboliva needs to go

just isnt really a good mon rn

i'd suggest bloodmoon ursaluna

over normal ursa

[solid frigate]

just use Rillaboom honestly

[abstract grail]

Probobally ye, but I like arboliva so I want to give her a shot.

I think she's neat.

[solid frigate]

Regular Ursa can work but BM is generally better

[abstract grail]

Sense I'd probobally be dropping Hatrenne for his goo I think BM would work better for variety.

I just realized for some reason I only edited urs atk ev bruh I'm dumb

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/ad2fc0b74c023625

Here

[abstract grail]

Ooo, I think I've seen Heavy Slam H-Goodra somewhere

I can't remember where, but very cool.

[solid frigate]

its actually used in LA Regionals i think

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon works better with caly ice since bloodmoon is better at dealing with incin

[solid frigate]

also H-Goodra is a decent

[abstract grail]

His- goodra definitely is just better than normal goodra.

I might still try and give arbolivaa try, I do have a rilaboom if she can't perform. I'd still like to try if that's alright. I'll definitely edit the rest of the sets to better match these though.

Thank you for you're help.

[solid frigate]

np

[mighty stump]

No fucking clue we ball

Ho-Oh is ok into Koraidon until Bolt shows up and ruins your day

Then the massive ice weakness was something was just gonna be like “yolo”

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frogiese-f-it-we-ball-kitty-cat-gif-26662189

[mighty stump]

I probably have to just leverage Tera on Ting-Lu and keep spamming EQ

[abstract grail]

Not to be dramatic but I would die for that cat.

[solid frigate]

i mean who does not love cats honestly

i have been to a cat cafe and i am just in heaven for that hour

i even forgot how to teambuild for that hour

[balmy glen]

Chien + Korai Tera fire flare blitz OHKOS super bulkz ho oh xd

[mighty stump]

Idm that

Leveraging recoil damage

[abstract grail]

I would go to one but my cat executes me if she smells a trace of another animal that isn't our old dog, there best freinds.

[solid frigate]

damn

[mighty stump]

Im more concerned about Kyogre tbh

I explode

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/-rHI0CLczWU?si=4lvVyxkEvPHGRPVT

tortol got launched

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/18dbfad3583b5f34

just cooked a bit

[minor panther]

the team is cool, i like it
however my bias will say "fuck iron jugulis"

[solid frigate]

lmao

might as well just do some funny a putting Aura Trio into the tier List

[timber falcon]

Why jugulis?

[solid frigate]

dragon cheer-

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah ok

[solid frigate]

Me and Crephace did a Palkia Mirror Match so yeah i just build this in just a few minutes

[mighty stump]

If youre gonna go fast Palkia you want Origin

[charred saddle]

gotta go fast

[mighty stump]

@charred saddle gw ada concept

untuk palkia

[charred saddle]

speak to me sir

[mighty stump]

g mau disini

di camp

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 242: Blissey

Type

Normal

Abilities

Natural Cure, Serene Grace, Healer (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

255/10/10/75/135/55

Total

540

Weight (Low Kick BP)

46.8kg (60 BP)

Height

1.5m

Introduced

Generation 2

Pre-evolution

Chansey

Egg groups

Fairy

Gender Ratio

F: 100%

Color

Pink

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

anyone have volcarona set?

or an idea for one

[charred saddle]

some old volc runs flame body + water tera

to deter urshifu

[timber falcon]

hmmm ok

[strange fjord]

I like how Flutter Mane is just Misdreaveus but more

Same with Mismagius

[timber falcon]

at least misdreaveus kept some defence

[strange fjord]

With those stats, it really feels like Flutter Mane is the final evo of the Misdreavus line after Mismagius

[timber falcon]

is there a pokemon that gets smaller after evo though?

[strange fjord]

Gloom into Bellossom

[timber falcon]

lol i forgot they were even pokemon

https://pokepast.es/672e31879357c247 reworked the team once again to check of typings and tempo ect, idk evs dfor shifu though

[sharp cobalt]

Jail for you. Bellossom is cool

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 182: Bellossom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Healer (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/80/95/90/100/50

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Bellossom's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Flail, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Headbutt, Leaf Blade, Natural Gift, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Rage, Razor Leaf, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Take Down, Trailblaze, Triple Axel

Special Moves

Absorb, Acid, Acid Spray, Dazzling Gleam, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Infestation, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Moonblast, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Round, Sludge Bomb, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Uproar, Venoshock, Weather Ball

Status Moves

After You, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Ingrain, Laser Focus, Leech Seed, Lucky Chant, Mimic, Moonlight, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Quiver Dance, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Powder, Sleep Talk, Strength Sap, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Teeter Dance, Tickle, Toxic, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Bellossom.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

maybe a bit cool

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/necrozma.gif

Necrozma's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

u thinking of necrozma?

[solid frigate]

the moveset looks quite depressing when me and Crephace trying to build a set for each restricteds

[timber falcon]

oh u guys trying them all?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/107/101/127/89/79

Total

600

Other Formes

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Ultra

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Dissapointment #3 (Necrozma) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 252 SpA / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Cosmic Power
• Calm Mind
• Stored Power
• Tera Blast

And we settled with this,and yesn't we just made the sets for all of the restricteds(Including Aura Trio)

https://pokepast.es/e67499776dd791f5
https://pokepast.es/dcab6f8153e13b02
https://pokepast.es/f66d81a020c88b1e

Here ya go

[timber falcon]

that set will work if the 3 members beside it all have follow me, heck with spread it dies :/

[solid frigate]

thats why its a dissapointment

[timber falcon]

my groudon there

also how come xerneas got pherb?

[solid frigate]

Drago's Zacian,Monke's Zamazenta,My Terapagos,Dawn Wings and Dialga,Crephace's Palkia and Lyco's Zekrom

[solid frigate]

Power Herb Geomancy-

[dapper crag]

Move: Geomancy

Raises the user's Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed by 2 stages. This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. If the user is holding a Power Herb, the move completes in one turn.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

oh i didnt know it was a charge up

[solid frigate]

yeah it is a charge move

[strange fjord]

not if you have a power herb

[solid frigate]

some Xerneas Run Specs tho

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

heck it dont even need geomancy lol

what was gamefreak cooking

[solid frigate]

Specs is enough

[timber falcon]

and the bulk too god damn

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is basically Xerneas+Zygarde in some way

[cyan smelt]

xerneas so bulky

[timber falcon]

fr

[solid frigate]

wtf is that (Calyrex) @ Big Root
Ability: Unnerve
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 4 SpA / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Leech Seed
• Giga Drain
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

[timber falcon]

for reference

hits 200 hp with no evs

[solid frigate]

yep its a fucking nuke

[cyan smelt]

the only thing stopping xerneas in gen 8 was zacian basically

[solid frigate]

or Whirlwind strats

Reg G but i think i put Yveltal too high for singles restricted-

[timber falcon]

i still think lugua top C/B

[strange fjord]

pfft munchlax can do the same

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 446: Munchlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Pickup, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

135/85/40/40/85/5

Total

390

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

WHAT

sheesh with eviolite that things impenetrable via spatck

[solid frigate]

yep

Snorlax is 160 HP

[timber falcon]

5 speed for tr too

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 143: Snorlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Immunity, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/110/65/65/110/30

Total

540

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

crazy

[solid frigate]

Terapagos needs to terastalise to be Snorlax's Bulk

[timber falcon]

but snorlax needs to set up to be offensively threatning

[strange fjord]

fr

[solid frigate]

oh yeah Xerneas can easily Handle Koraidon-

[timber falcon]

blitz tera fire in sun wont kill?

[strange fjord]

munchlax is already mentally threatening tho

[solid frigate]

If Xerneas is in Reg G,Most likely will have Tera Fire

[strange fjord]

see that on a team and you think "what are they cooking?"

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Xerneas in Sun: 190-225 (81.5 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

most sets without tera is KOs though

[timber falcon]

makes sense

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera Fire Xerneas in Sun: 110-130 (47.2 - 55.7%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO

Wait why did i got different calc

nvm i tera fire'd

[strange fjord]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 20 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Thick Fat Munchlax in Sun: 93-109 (43.6 - 51.1%) -- 6.3% chance to 2HKO

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fire Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 472-564 (269.7 - 322.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fire Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Koraidon: 376-448 (181.6 - 216.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

yeah not even Max Bulk is able to make Koraidon Survive-

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fire Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Koraidon: 118-140 (67.4 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

yep-

[solid frigate]

lmao

[strange fjord]

Munchlax wicked, anyways gn

[solid frigate]

gn

[mighty stump]

Idk in what universe you thought Koraidon could survive a move from the strongest Fairy in history so far

[solid frigate]

like you said before

Tera fire

[mighty stump]

So why would you even do raw calcs

[solid frigate]

cuz why not.

[sharp cobalt]

Hang on I wanna try

252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon: 612-720 (179.4 - 211.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Dangit

[cyan smelt]

is that at level 100

[sharp cobalt]

Yes

252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon: 440-520 (108.9 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Still nope

252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon: 276-328 (68.3 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It can live a dgleam in doubles

252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon through Light Screen: 293-347 (72.5 - 85.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

LONG LIVE LIGHT SCREEN

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon through Light Screen: 368-435 (91 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

After Geomancy

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Beads of Ruin Xerneas Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Roseli Berry Koraidon through Light Screen with an ally's Friend Guard: 368-434 (91 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Calc is fun to toy around in

[mighty stump]

Wonder what’s gonna go on at NAIC

[sharp cobalt]

Pokemon battles!

I hope we get to see some interesting picks

Also, I saw wolfeglick mention Gloom and Dewgong teams. Funny

[timber falcon]

im predicting dragon cheer miraidon '

[cyan smelt]

i'm predicting the return of caly-s

[mighty stump]

Yeah that’s not happening.

[timber falcon]

u just wait and see

[mighty stump]

Define return, cause it already won

[cyan smelt]

i mean more popular

[mighty stump]

Mm

I’m almost expecting more Koraidon/Zacian

Oh

PJCS is tomorow

Also more Pagos in response to CSR

[timber falcon]

tofu

https://pokepast.es/d4750abeb4d79d0c what u think of this

[mighty stump]

No

Also inefficient EVing for AV Urshifu

[timber falcon]

ah

how do i make it efficient?

[mighty stump]

Im confident in that team getting outpaced by HO

[timber falcon]

hm

[mighty stump]

I just realised that is 0 damage Palkia

[timber falcon]

i mean it still hits pretty hard

should it be hitting harder?

[mighty stump]

CB Lando almost feels a waste without EQ

[timber falcon]

the team was supposed to be eq team but i realised most members couldnt live that, should i just have eq over tera blast in case ?

and change palkias ability

[mighty stump]

Telepathy and Torn

[timber falcon]

ok

about HO pressure

shifu used to be scarf, is that a better alternative that AV for the team?

[mighty stump]

The structuring overall just looks weird

[timber falcon]

its built from a vid i watched

that said stuff abt team building and devices to have and whatnot

[mighty stump]

Double TWave and one on Palkia

[timber falcon]

couldnt think of a moveslot

[mighty stump]

If you’re not going for a max spe team you might as well have TR.

or coverage

[mighty stump]

Like what?

[mighty stump]

Wtf is Destruption

[timber falcon]

I guess things that distrupt ur opponent play.

Like spore and stuff

[mighty stump]

Why’d they spell it like that

Okay

Teams at the end of the day should have a bunch of the mentioned tools, yes.

But if you don’t have a rough gameplan on how to deal with MUs you should have accounted for despite having the tools then you don’t necessarily have the direction to use them

Plus there is the execution aspect of it

What scenarios is it actually useful for Palkia to click TWave over an offensive move that builds pressure on your end?

TWave on Tinkaton has to wait a turn due to its speed tier being lower than others,

[timber falcon]

yeah i changed it to encore

[mighty stump]

Half of these mons aren’t gonna be outputting as much damage as other HO teams since id still consider this team relatively frail

[mighty stump]

Same concept unless Tinkaton goes for max spe

[timber falcon]

this is something ive really been having trouble on

i just dont hit hard enough

its more of chip

[mighty stump]

Tools are important but you hv to realistically be able to use em

also more questionable are why you picked the mons/slots

[timber falcon]

if im being honest

i forgot half of em

[mighty stump]

Well

I don’t think it’s a good indicator if looking at your own paste you forget why you chose those mons

[timber falcon]

but well

i know tinkaton is there for fairy types and fo pressure

[mighty stump]

What Fairy types

[timber falcon]

flutter mainly, and ive been seeing some hatterenes

[mighty stump]

How realistically are you hitting Hatterene with Gigaton Hammer

if it gets redirected ur outta luck for the next turn

[timber falcon]

well, i can protect i guess

and i resist most of its moves

[mighty stump]

Your side slot wont

[timber falcon]

hm

ok so ive noticed 3 slots that dont have a set role

[mighty stump]

I’m just trying to get at being deliberate

[timber falcon]

volcarona, tink, shifu

tink could be swapped for better Fo i feel atp

[mighty stump]

Even if a team has a shit MU, being aware you have a bad MU to fix and knowing what pieces are being relevant in gameplay is better than

Not knowing

Like lets talk about those aforementioned tools

Yes, those tools are important

But also you have to look at the mons attached to them

Its still deliberate choices as to why you need those tools

[timber falcon]

right so i still gotta think abt the meta

[mighty stump]

Always

It’s a holistic process. You’re never teambuilding in a vacuum

[timber falcon]

Welp I’ll replace those mons for others with similar tools that help against meta ig

I did 2 games with eq lando and torn and got 2 eq sweeps, so I think I’ll build towards supporting that game plan

[timber falcon]

Oh forgot to ask something, any opinions on the types, like offensive, defensive and whatnot

[mighty stump]

Defensive cores make life easy if you follow the rules but it's not entirely necessary.

[timber falcon]

Ok

[mighty stump]

I personally believe in 2 resists

for your important matchups

e.g. if Caly-S then a Normal/Dark type

I don't always stick to this if theres an alternative gameplan but that makes life easiest.

In a sense you can have a resist on the field and one in the back whenever necessary

Blind typing synergy is just as useless imo.

[timber falcon]

Oh well this is what I use half the time lol

But it tends to only work in singles

[cyan smelt]

I haven't done bo3 in a while but it seems slightly more forgiving than bo1

[timber falcon]

ive been seeing this team often now, did it win an event?

this is some sick joke wtf

robbery

[willow vault]

What?

That’s stupid

[timber falcon]

yeah showdown bug

[cyan smelt]

Wait so bleakwind didn't work on chi yu?

[timber falcon]

mhm

[cyan smelt]

Weird

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/a2783e2b9a991508 any ideas for a last mon? after lots of consideration i found tinkaton useful

[timber falcon]

if it hit and got a speed drop i wouldve won tha battle, but it is what it is

[willow vault]

I mean ice spinner + spore can be pretty nice into miraidon teams

And amoongus helps you for trick room teams

[cyan smelt]

Pretty sure I've used bleakwind on chi yu before and it's worked

[willow vault]

It’s a bug

[timber falcon]

yeah its supposed to work

hm amoongus is a nice option

[willow vault]

Dark types only block prankster which is status moves

[timber falcon]

i feel like my HO is distrupted by moongus

[mighty stump]

It cut

[timber falcon]

Wdym by cut?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Thundurus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus-Therian

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Volt Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/105/70/145/80/101

Total

580

Base Species

Thundurus

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[willow vault]

damn, (yes the team is an absolute abomination, but its so terrible that its just fun because I can barely ever win) https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2134142788-6pj4g59ez13i4op6tlt1qo6ubp15vl0pw

[timber falcon]

Before I watch the video

[willow vault]

yes I threw my own elo with this team

[timber falcon]

Why is palkia on a sun team instead of rain-

[willow vault]

no hydro-miss, earth power instead

I told you its an abomination

you wan to know the worst thing, its covert cloak palkia

[timber falcon]

Ur right it is an abomination

[willow vault]

but is it a hilariously terrible idea

[timber falcon]

But why not try make it niche, but at the same time work

[willow vault]

I have other teams for that, this was just something I could make that was terrible, I knew was terrible but could just have fun using

[timber falcon]

Liligant torkoal when it works is enjoyable after all

[willow vault]

yeah its an awful team but its fun, I highly recommend having an awful team that you are aware is awful, just to take a step back. Its useful

when you're tryharding all the time you often get too focused and start overthinking, having an awful team that requires no thinking allows you to get back into a better headspace

[lofty tartan]

Niche means it is specially suited for a particular use

If you mean niche as in underused, then "works" is a pretty broad stroke to be painting.

[timber falcon]

I just use a team I’ve previously made

[timber falcon]

Yeah I was referring to the telepathy eq thing

[lofty tartan]

Like Palkia is not very good. It's not particularly suited to a particular thing

Telepathy EQ is more like a gimmick

[willow vault]

hey Herbie, do you hate everything about the team I built

[lofty tartan]

Uhhhh. Hate's a strong term.

[willow vault]

would you throw it in the trash?

[timber falcon]

True

[lofty tartan]

I'd take Palkia off for something that actually benefits in the sun or sets the sun

[willow vault]

good, I wanted to annoy as many people as possible

[lofty tartan]

But like you've got 5 mons that have seen success on the team and one pretty meh thing. That's usually how you run bad stuff

[willow vault]

by making a team that has a lack of logic behind it

[lofty tartan]

Then mission success.

[willow vault]

Im on the right track, woooooooooooooooooooooo

[lofty tartan]

It's all about intent

[willow vault]

the intent is just to have an awful team