competitive_discussion

[willow vault]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

cant even connect to showdown kek

[sharp cobalt]

I connected to a side server

And to main

[molten oasis]

L

some dude left my bo3 because i outplayed him game 2

[timber falcon]

so could he have still won game 3 or was that it

[molten oasis]

he could have

[timber falcon]

lol so he just gave up

[molten oasis]

lost to the fucking calyrex team

idk what to do into that shit man

[cyan smelt]

i need to play some bo3

what's the caly team?

[timber falcon]

balance caly-s team?

[willow vault]

I'm assuming they are referring to this team. https://rk9.gg/teamlist/public/LA02m1nh2pWv0jkLpveI/T4czWeTmYBrhGWTDDTjD

[molten oasis]

the one that won LA

[willow vault]

The one I’ve just linked

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[molten oasis]

like umbreon just doesn't help

[timber falcon]

some people man

[willow vault]

Happen to me yesterday

[molten oasis]

mm

im just stumped

maybe umbreon isnt it lol

i think i needed tw

[timber falcon]

tw is very good into calyrex-s

[willow vault]

tr is also very good into Calyrex-s

[molten oasis]

well the mons im 100% taking to naic are torn shifu pao and zac

i needed tw

[willow vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

i think i need torn over umbreon in that mu

[willow vault]

I mean, I’m stealing tofus idea but scarf chi-yu could work

[molten oasis]

im not running chi yu on a team with rain

[willow vault]

Yeah just an idea

[timber falcon]

i just got jumped by scarf pagos wtf

[molten oasis]

why do people full forfeit in bo3 man

[willow vault]

Damn scarf?

[molten oasis]

like sure i'll take the win but like, cmon man

i want practice win or lose

[timber falcon]

yes, i was like "ok i outspeed here so i win" and that mf pagos goes b4 me

i was using 188+ oger

[molten oasis]

i mean, maybe umbreon isnt good for THAT mu

[sharp cobalt]

I see nothing out of the ordinary

Its kind of normal for showdown players to do that

[willow vault]

Really? I hardly ever see anyway be rude

[timber falcon]

just my luck, that set is so rare u cant even view on munchstats

[molten oasis]

scarf is wild on terapagos

[sharp cobalt]

Fabulous tho

[molten oasis]

um

could i ask if i could get some mu practice with caly s from any of you?

also im locking in rillaboom now, too valuable for zac imo

[timber falcon]

i can help, though its not the LA one

[molten oasis]

does it have clef?

i want mu practice into clef caly s

[cyan smelt]

damn lost my first bo3, they nearly won but they crit

[timber falcon]

its wolfes one, so yes clefairy

[molten oasis]

cool

[molten oasis]

bummer

user?

[sharp cobalt]

[cyan smelt]

i forget

[molten oasis]

no sorry that was for OTOT

[sharp cobalt]

Can you imagine if Indeedee got an evo

[molten oasis]

@timber falcon

[timber falcon]

oh hello

[molten oasis]

user?

[timber falcon]

sorry i gotta get the evs for the team first rq

[molten oasis]

ahok

i can still send the invite

you just accept when you got evs ready

[timber falcon]

Totorules

thats my user, i ended up just using standard evs for the mons to make it quicker, or from sets i alrdy have

[molten oasis]

its fine

its practice i need

idc about the ev's

[sharp cobalt]

Arent they important as they'll teach you what rolls to expect?

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2133440504

[cyan smelt]

lost to the damn caly team

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/26d01f09048998c7

[cyan smelt]

lost to the damn miraidon team

[sharp cobalt]

You'll win Kal0s

[cyan smelt]

this team might not be good for bo3

[willow vault]

What’s the team

[cyan smelt]

zama, rotom-w, rilla, flutter, torn, regidrago

[sharp cobalt]

I believe in you Kal0s

Can I come watch?

[timber falcon]

ok im back

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

@molten oasis if u still wanna practice

[cyan smelt]

someone just straight forfeited on me because they missed an o pulse on zama

[sharp cobalt]

Might've cost them

[cyan smelt]

yeah but it was the first game

[sharp cobalt]

I knew you'd win

[timber falcon]

lol is bo3 really like that

[sharp cobalt]

Ofc, ppl get

[willow vault]

They let it be them, https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2133445850

I played better in the second game but I got disconnected for showdown before I could get the replay

[molten oasis]

I’m going to bed

[cyan smelt]

i have no idea if it's really like that

[timber falcon]

oh gn

[cyan smelt]

nice got a crit to win the set

[cyan smelt]

but miraidon and caly-s are problems

[mighty stump]

Guess it’s time to re-evaluate.

[cyan smelt]

yeah but idk where to start

[timber falcon]

i just lost to minimize sand veil sandaconda

wtf

[cyan smelt]

did it also have hisuian qwilfish

[timber falcon]

even worse, psyc up caly-s

[willow vault]

I’ve been finding encore whimsicott a pain, may need to utelise dark Tera more often

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

yeah so dialga looks better

dissapointed in the uncomparable base stats

[cyan smelt]

dialga still wouldn't want to eat a collision course

[mighty stump]

Well, answers to Mirai and Caly-S

Basically just figuring out which pieces are the most useless/too niche

[cyan smelt]

prolly rotom then

the obvious answer would be to replace rotom with ting lu i think

[timber falcon]

neither would tbh

[autumn vault]

Definetely

[timber falcon]

also any thoughts of dialga/palkia + Lando EQ? Yes i plan on dealing with grassy terrain

[timber falcon]

whats the team?

[autumn vault]

Ursaluna better since it has synergy with TR

But Landorus-Therian is definetely better in fast mode

[cyan smelt]

atm it's zama, rilla, flutter, torn, regidrago and rotom

[timber falcon]

i dont plan on going tr since im leaning towards palkia, though thanks for the ursaluna idea since i can use that for fast mode anyways

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[timber falcon]

dark types are favourable this reg

so id sy ting lu is a good idea since it also helps with mirai

[autumn vault]

And also helps with Special attackers that don't counter Ting-Lu

[timber falcon]

mhm

[cyan smelt]

then idk what to do against caly-i

[timber falcon]

zama lol

[willow vault]

Wisp helps a lot, and doesn’t want to eat a foul play

[timber falcon]

one iron defence and caly-i really wont do much, for tr id be worrying abt Bm ursa and moongus more

[cyan smelt]

yeah true

rotom is too frail

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 479: Rotom-Wash

Types

Electric/Water

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/65/107/105/107/86

Total

520

Base Species

Rotom

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

yeah its lacking in the HP

[sharp cobalt]

That is some JANK

[cyan smelt]

i'll try out ting-lu

[timber falcon]

fr i was so pissed, though i really shouldve known what they were gonna do, i forgot it learnt minimze

at the end of the day it is my fault

[cyan smelt]

i've seen hisuian qwilfish with no attacking moves too, just acupressure, minimise, toxic and i forget the 4th move

[dapper crag]

Overqwil's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Astonish, Barb Barrage, Bite, Crunch, Double-Edge, Facade, Fell Stinger, Flail, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Gyro Ball, Lash Out, Liquidation, Pin Missile, Poison Jab, Poison Sting, Poison Tail, Reversal, Scale Shot, Self-Destruct, Smart Strike, Tackle, Take Down, Throat Chop, Waterfall

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Hex, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Shot, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Spit Up, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Venoshock, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Acupressure, Agility, Curse, Destiny Bond, Endure, Harden, Haze, Minimize, Pain Split, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spite, Stockpile, Substitute, Supersonic, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic, Toxic Spikes

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Overqwil.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

maybe subsitute

[cyan smelt]

probably

[timber falcon]

ok so this is what i got so far, any other ideas?

for the tr version ill probs use cres

idk what speed control option im doing for the bottom one though

[cyan smelt]

moongus for dialga team

[timber falcon]

seems like a good idea

[cyan smelt]

maybe torkoal too?

[timber falcon]

im hesitant with that pick tbh

[cyan smelt]

yeah idk if you want full tr or semi tr

[timber falcon]

oh 100 full, im just worried abt mirror MUs first

and grassy terrain

[cyan smelt]

pelipper? another mon you can eq next to without worry

[timber falcon]

hm

odd choice for sure but im leaning towards avalugg

[cyan smelt]

that sp def though

[timber falcon]

not a problem when im that slow i dont think

and i got sturdy

[molten oasis]

Well I tried to go to sleep

[timber falcon]

hi

[molten oasis]

Still not playing, as I’m tired and I don’t think straight and also get tilted very quickly when I’m tired

[timber falcon]

u should try get some sleep

[molten oasis]

I did

I can’t fall asleep

Can’t sit still, so just, gonna try to kill energy

[timber falcon]

fair enough

[cyan smelt]

another option could be goltres

for my team i mean

[sharp cobalt]

Me

[mighty stump]

Budget Yveltal

[cyan smelt]

but it doesn't weaken miraidon so idk

[graceful flare]

What future paradox pokemon is actually good with miraidon

[timber falcon]

W

[graceful flare]

Average non focus sash peasant

[timber falcon]

💀

[graceful flare]

. Pls otot

[timber falcon]

iron hands i think

[graceful flare]

What abt crown or leaves

[timber falcon]

havent seen them on miraidon teams so idk

[willow vault]

Let’s goo

[timber falcon]

and i ended up winning the game

[willow vault]

Heck yeah

[timber falcon]

this team is doing surprisingly well, dialga ursaluna combo is great so far

btw avalugg and farig are contingency plans for certain MUs

[graceful flare]

Whar is an mu

[molten oasis]

match up

[timber falcon]

match up

[molten oasis]

also OTOT, i have, a lot, of questions

[modern cliff]

Why is it so hard to get a single item

[timber falcon]

for instance calyrex-shadow teams, that would be a match up

[timber falcon]

go on

[molten oasis]

first of all

[graceful flare]

I love shadow

[molten oasis]

why HISUI AVALUGG of all things

[modern cliff]

Becouse its a good pokemon

[timber falcon]

its not

[molten oasis]

its not

[timber falcon]

ok lemme explain my thoughts

the goal is to spam EQ over and over agian

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 713: Avalugg-Hisui

Types

Ice/Rock

Abilities

Strong Jaw, Ice Body, Sturdy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/127/184/34/36/38

Total

514

Base Species

Avalugg

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

now, grassy terrain doesnt really let me, yk, do that

[molten oasis]

i forgot about its, weird, stat spread

[timber falcon]

so as a contingency plan i have it in the back with ice spinner, pretty much it

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133500030 My unorthodox Zekrom team is so far working

[graceful flare]

Hisui avalug 252 ev vs 252 sp def ev moonblast against tera poison miraidon 150% guaranteed oko

[timber falcon]

also its stats (apart from spdef) are pretty good

[molten oasis]

who is running tera poison miraidon

[graceful flare]

Idk

[molten oasis]

thats kinda why the stats arent good

[autumn vault]

Yeah who?

[molten oasis]

that spD is a major hinderance, along with it typing

[graceful flare]

Just put an assult vest

[willow vault]

So if you want spinner why not use chien pao, which also functions outside of trick room and with sucker punch can still work in trick room

[molten oasis]

still doesn't make up for it

[molten oasis]

bug, i get it

but lando i aint relevant

[timber falcon]

wym

[molten oasis]

wdym wym, you seeing lando i around rn

[willow vault]

Nope

[timber falcon]

yeah

[autumn vault]

Only saw a few

[molten oasis]

i see it, occasionally, on rain teams

[timber falcon]

i have seen a few

[molten oasis]

out of how many games?

[willow vault]

Just tones of caly-s balance and miraidon

[autumn vault]

Still has a role in rain teams

[timber falcon]

its also pretty good into miraidon teams

[modern cliff]

The pokemon that i love in your team is Ursaluna but is it hard to farm its item?

[graceful flare]

Ok to make it viable why don't we give it an ability that sets up trick room when switching in

[molten oasis]

i dont want that ability in the game, ever

[timber falcon]

seems relevant enough

[willow vault]

Terrible idea

[graceful flare]

It probably will come with a dlc mon

[molten oasis]

it better fucking not

[willow vault]

I would be so mad

[molten oasis]

unless its a restricted mon

and even then i wouldn't want to see it

like i love an ability that invalidates tw because i switched in

[timber falcon]

top 22 used lando-i, is that not relevant?

[graceful flare]

I'm bored of shadow rider so I'm gonna use pagos

[timber falcon]

wtf

[molten oasis]

ok is it relevant enough

to worry about

[modern cliff]

Can i ask you something?

[timber falcon]

sure

[graceful flare]

Whar happens if I use an arceus command

[modern cliff]

How hard is it to find Ursaluna evo item?

[timber falcon]

it shouldnt take too long, i found mine relatively quickly

[graceful flare]

Idk just get one of the gts if it's hard

I forgor

[modern cliff]

Im been digging for like 4 hours and still haven't gotten it

[graceful flare]

Get one of the gts

[timber falcon]

thats just very unlucky lol

[willow vault]

That just awful luck

Sorry it’s taking you that long

[graceful flare]

Yeah now I demand you use the gts

[modern cliff]

Whats that?

[graceful flare]

Do u have pokemon home om ur phone

[modern cliff]

yea

[cyan smelt]

Iirc there are three spots where you find it

[modern cliff]

What spots?

[cyan smelt]

Lemme check

[graceful flare]

Bro just use the gts

How do I make a terapagos team

[molten oasis]

Consider what your restricted needs to work, then go from there

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133504870

get fucked caly

[molten oasis]

Also decide on what set you want to run

Terapagos can play a slower set up mode or a faster specs mode

[cyan smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonLegendsArceus/comments/141v0er/peat_block/?rdt=59385

[molten oasis]

Just gotta keep looking ig

[graceful flare]

BRO USE THE GTS

ITS ACTUALLY NOT THAT HARD

[next stump]

some people enjoy using their own pokémon 👍🏻

[charred saddle]

nice recommendation there

GTS --> Global Trading Scam anyway

[willow vault]

How is everyone in comp chat doing?

[tranquil kraken]

Excellent how about yourself?

[charred saddle]

just got this so im pretty happy

[tranquil kraken]

YOOOOOO

[timber falcon]

YOOOOOOOOO

[willow vault]

Pretty good working on my last essay of the school year

[charred saddle]

ili appearance in comp

[willow vault]

Yooooooo

[tranquil kraken]

You got this my friend!

[willow vault]

Thanks

[tranquil kraken]

I actually decided a couple hours ago I want to get shiny Spiritomb on my JPN Platinum lol

Not looking forward to that

[charred saddle]

is it hard to get spiritomb there?

i dont remember playing plat up till spiritomb haha

[charred saddle]

goodluck tho

[tranquil kraken]

I'm not sure how hard the RNG will be but I think I'll be fine

[willow vault]

Good luck with that

[charred saddle]

is that only a 1 time appearance like rotom?

[tranquil kraken]

Yep

[charred saddle]

my god

[willow vault]

Hope it doesn’t take too long

[tranquil kraken]

I gotta complete the game first

I haven't played it at all yet lmao, just ordered it from Japan

[willow vault]

Oh, have fun with that

[charred saddle]

oo pog have fun

[tranquil kraken]

Ty guys

[molten oasis]

i am tired but fine

[willow vault]

Did you go to sleep?

[molten oasis]

i sure tried

[willow vault]

Staring at a screen won’t make you feel more awake

[molten oasis]

i cant sit still

so, gonna just, do smth else

not doing anything today anyway

[willow vault]

Is that from caffeine?

That you can’t sit still

[mighty stump]

Probably a feeling of lacking accomplishment

[willow vault]

Oh

[mighty stump]

I know I sleep worse unfulfilled

[molten oasis]

yeaaaa,

[mighty stump]

If my day was particularly unproductive

[molten oasis]

losing to that caly team fucking hurt lol

[mighty stump]

I feel I cant slepe cause its a constant feeling of needing to get something done

[willow vault]

It’s a good team, it can be hard to beat

[mighty stump]

I have a head start on Caly-S mirrors LOL

[molten oasis]

well i identified what i did wrong but i still need to practice the mu

that and the 6th slot is now up for changes

although the other slots are locked

[graceful flare]

Wjat pokemon don't like tera

Bc I need to use pagos

[molten oasis]

you can use pagos and not tera

tera starstrom is stronger pre-tera

[graceful flare]

Yes but then I have a pseudo legendary and my opponent had a restricted

[molten oasis]

caffeine doesnt really do that much to me

although i havnet had like, energy drinks or coffee much

[mighty stump]

Caffiene makes me more tired.

[graceful flare]

How

[molten oasis]

its single target

moves are at 75% strength or 25% weaker when they hit both opposing targets

balancing

makes caly, somewhat, manageable

[mighty stump]

If you’re talking about Tera Starstorm to whoever that is, Terapagos also loses STAB.

[molten oasis]

right, stellar doesnt make anything stab

figured that out running the stellar blast zacian

[mighty stump]

You still get the x2 boost, 1x only.

[molten oasis]

yea

[sharp cobalt]

[molten oasis]

thats not like, unheard of

[sharp cobalt]

Its got no effect on me either

[molten oasis]

i think my dad gets more tired from caffeine

[sharp cobalt]

Coffee doeos have that other effect on me that its known for, but I dont drink coffee

[molten oasis]

ig i also dont drink heavily caffeinated stuff much

[sharp cobalt]

Not much anyway

[molten oasis]

like, i drink lots of soda but i dont drink coffee

[graceful flare]

What support pokemon is best with pago

[sharp cobalt]

I enjoy a juneberry redbull from tiime to time, and diet coke is relatively regular

[sharp cobalt]

Im sure one of em is

[molten oasis]

clefairy and comfey are common partners

[sharp cobalt]

COMFEY?

[molten oasis]

yes

[sharp cobalt]

[next stump]

diet coke teachers’ favorite drink

[molten oasis]

rillaboom and incineroar are also good

lol

all the teachers love diet coke

[sharp cobalt]

I never drink brand or regular coke only diet, and sometimes pepsi max cherry

[graceful flare]

Acc incin bc it only gets very nicje play bc it's not very good

[molten oasis]

did you just-

did i read that wrong?

[sharp cobalt]

There should be a flowchart on 'do I add Incin' and the answer should always lead to yes

[graceful flare]

What is incin gonna beat me up now kr sum

[molten oasis]

incineraor is the best support mon ever

[graceful flare]

Anyways I'm done with vgc time for some re3

[willow vault]

And we’re not overstating its uses

[molten oasis]

dodgy much but ok

[sharp cobalt]

There's a reason Incin had what, 70% usage in gen 8 VGC? Or what was it?

Its because its simply good

[willow vault]

I think it peaked at like 80% or something absurd

[molten oasis]

80 sounds right

[sharp cobalt]

This is the only thing Im certain of in VGC, Incin is good

[molten oasis]

incin just does so much for a team

[sharp cobalt]

And by now, Comfey, Clefairy, Rillaboom and Indeedee-F are also good

[molten oasis]

aaaaand i hate it cuz i play zacian

[sharp cobalt]

In current VGC, Caly's, doggies and Terapagos are p good... Hoenn ubers see play

Uhm

[molten oasis]

kyogre sees play

[willow vault]

The only pokemon I remember having close to Incineroar a usage in any format was arcanine the year before Incineroar got intimidate, from what I remember that had like a 60% usage

[molten oasis]

groudon and ray are both mid

[sharp cobalt]

Tornadus good, Pelip is alright...

Groudon's outclassed by Koraidon, I think?

[molten oasis]

its the better sun setter yes

[sharp cobalt]

Amoonguss remains good

[molten oasis]

amoonguss cant be bad

[sharp cobalt]

Whims sees play

[molten oasis]

its like, the second best support mon

[sharp cobalt]

I think my knowledge ends there...

Wait no.... Chi-yu and Chien-pao see play, Raging Bolt too

[molten oasis]

raging bolt is like, second in usage very consistently

[sharp cobalt]

My brain isnt completely useless anymore I just suuck at recognizing synergy, for now

[molten oasis]

raging bolt is just strong, insane stats and good movepool

[willow vault]

It’s incredible obviously

[molten oasis]

i'm seeing a rise in volcarona

which is pretty cool

flame body and good typing is just valuable

[willow vault]

Love me some volcarona it’s so fun

[molten oasis]

none of the physical restricteds like fighting it

[willow vault]

Pair that with struggle bug and it’s a very good support mon

And rage powder

[molten oasis]

i think its being utilized as a support mon rn

[willow vault]

And whirlwind to deny trick room (very niche)

[molten oasis]

it gets wisp as well

[willow vault]

Yeah

It’s great

[mighty stump]

Ho-Oh:

[sharp cobalt]

What about tera-fire Koraidon?

[willow vault]

I forgot ho-oh existed tbh

[autumn vault]

Tera fire pokemon:

[sharp cobalt]

Samesies

[autumn vault]

Struggle bug is slightly weaker than snarl but 100% accurate, i can see why

[molten oasis]

ok, 1 physical restricted doesnt like fighting it

[willow vault]

I just like it because volcarona gets crazy levels of support moves

[autumn vault]

And good offensive moves too

[sharp cobalt]

I heccin love struggle bug. Wish we had more viable users. That one game I cant mention uses it beautifully

[autumn vault]

Fiery Dance Overheat Heat wave are great fire stabs

[willow vault]

I prefer it for support but it’s offense is quite good

[autumn vault]

and Bug buzz is the only good bug stab thats special

[mighty stump]

Heat Wave blows

[molten oasis]

fiery dance is better

[autumn vault]

Outside of struggle bug

[willow vault]

Truly

[mighty stump]

If it can miss it sucks

[molten oasis]

the spA boost it can get is huge

tofu im sensing some spite

[autumn vault]

Struggle Bug never missing is very nice

[sharp cobalt]

Almost all phys rock moves like: wassup

[autumn vault]

And the damage difference is so minimal too

[autumn vault]

What are viable rock types?

[willow vault]

So therefore struggle bug is the clearly superior move to snarl

[mighty stump]

It is a testament to my skill to achieve things despite my RNG history.

[molten oasis]

ogerpon

[sharp cobalt]

They're around

[molten oasis]

fair yea

[sharp cobalt]

Wait... do we have any rock type restricted

[molten oasis]

we both share the curse of shit rng

[willow vault]

I don’t think so

[molten oasis]

although yours is worse

we dont have a rock type restricted

[south shuttle]

Because there are no good legendary rock types

[mighty stump]

Ogerpon, Ttar, H-Arc

Glimmora.

[sharp cobalt]

Those arent restricted tho

[willow vault]

I don’t know for me, my rng is very hit or miss either they wake up first turn every time I miss like 7 will-o-wisp or one game I just hit like 3 crits in a row. It’s inconsistent

[autumn vault]

They are viable

[south shuttle]

Those aren’t restricted

[sharp cobalt]

I dont think we have any bug, grass, poison or rock type restricted right?

[mighty stump]

Read above.

[molten oasis]

someone asked about good rock types

[sharp cobalt]

TTar and Glimmora are not legendaries tho

[molten oasis]

caly is a grass type pre fusion, and eternatus is poison

[willow vault]

Calyrex no horse is grass psychic, right?

[molten oasis]

we dont have bug or rock

[autumn vault]

No Bug or Rock type legend

[sharp cobalt]

Next step: viable grass type restricted

[mighty stump]

Technically, Rhyperior.

[south shuttle]

Ogerpon cornerstone, glimmora for singles

[molten oasis]

tera fairy rhyperior kek

[molten oasis]

glimmora is good in doubles as well

[autumn vault]

And Pizza would also say Rhydon but i prefer Rhyperior

And Rhydon isn't viable

[south shuttle]

I thought people in vgc didn’t have “time” for hazards

[autumn vault]

Well, less viable then Perior

[sharp cobalt]

I thought it was a good Miraidon counter with lightningrod and tera fairy?

[molten oasis]

cuz its not used as a hazard setter

its used as a meteor beam sweeper

[willow vault]

Pizza made a team with rhyhorn fairy Tera for the same reason

[sharp cobalt]

It pew

[mighty stump]

I’m pretty sure we’ve been through the concept of hazards-as-a-byproduct already.

[molten oasis]

was about to say

[autumn vault]

Hazards are only viable in doubles when you use Glimmora

And thats about it

[molten oasis]

theyre viable if they are byproducts of an ability or attack

[mighty stump]

Actively setting hazards is such a negative-momentum play.

[molten oasis]

a turn of attacking or other form of set up thrown away

or protecting

[south shuttle]

So why is kleavor or samurott-h not getting any usage?

[molten oasis]

because they suck

samurott just has very mediocre stats

[south shuttle]

I mean I guess smeargle can learn stone axe

[autumn vault]

Becuase they aren't good enough

[mighty stump]

That’s a question of the Pokemon, not the move.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 900: Kleavor

Types

Bug/Rock

Abilities

Swarm, Sheer Force, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/135/95/45/70/85

Total

500

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

that speed tier is also rough

[willow vault]

It has better moves to use

[autumn vault]

Trust me i tried to make them work, they are a waste of a slot

[molten oasis]

they're also outclassed by better mons of their typings

[south shuttle]

Oh

[molten oasis]

that and hazards arent desireable on teams

[autumn vault]

One reason to why i said the above

[molten oasis]

unless you're dondozo and you want to poison stall

[autumn vault]

Glimmora is very good, because of STAB Meteor Beam

That deletes anything weak to it

[sharp cobalt]

I wanted to type smth funny but then received a call

[south shuttle]

I hate dondozo

It’s so physically bulky

That you can just invest into spdef

And it becomes an unkillable titan

[autumn vault]

Skill issue

[willow vault]

Ok

Use something that either ignores it stat boosts or something that can crit through it

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133540710 I love Choice Specs Terapagos

[south shuttle]

3 losses is kinda crazy

[bold geode]

Or Mortal Spin user for a select few lmao

[craggy dagger]

not a waste huh

never a waste

every pokemon has its use-
hence why half of my teams look shit but actually work

[solid frigate]

i honestly agree and admire your creativity

That actually works

[autumn vault]

Your creativity is very good i will admit

I love using niche stuff

I just want to grind

This is max speed modest kyogre

[chrome knot]

why is a physical attacker modest

[mighty stump]

So it stays humble

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

lel

[timber falcon]

Very nice

[timber falcon]

Wait what?

What do you mean pagos loses STAB?

[mighty stump]

Bro

I literally wrote a supplementary post about this explaining Terapagos mechanics

Omg

[timber falcon]

in my defence, reading isnt my strong suit

i scan for info

[mighty stump]

You can't scan for info if you can't read bro tf you mean

[rustic mountain]

[timber falcon]

have i contradicted myself?

no wait i havent

[mighty stump]

"I suck at reading"
"I scan for info"

[rustic mountain]

do yall jus look at words and think thats reading. like actually gotta process what the words mean

[mighty stump]

Fr

[tranquil kraken]

… guaranteed OHKO scan complete

that was a good piece btw Tofu

[azure ether]

Bless tofu

[mighty stump]

Thank

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast

[mighty stump]

Did you like the new graphic

[tranquil kraken]

I come for the graphics and stay for the info

[rustic mountain]

ill read it later tofu

🫡

[mighty stump]

o7

Im still working on the template a bit more for the graphics

[willow vault]

By the way the info on that Snorlax sun team was very interesting, I learned a lot I think

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133347953-hng5kmrbb3oqab5k6yw8qc2ldtpzj3bpw
forgot to post this last night, won the runback and knocked em out of top 100

[mighty stump]

Soon ill have a working template for better infographics

[mighty stump]

Oh, I know Tempest Brute

Lol

[rustic mountain]

oh fr?

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

yea they kinda styled on me a bit the first go around, i was not expecting that lunala set

[mighty stump]

I just played Rank 6 on the ladder

And I won

[rustic mountain]

pog

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133615600-rsio6bnvosjpm5jd0azpo01u34cfn8jpw

Knocked them out of top 10

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

HOPagos is so brainless

[rustic mountain]

haha

[mighty stump]

I recovered from elo decay in like

no time at all

+200 elo in probably under 20 games

[rustic mountain]

not clicking tw w/ torn >>>>

[mighty stump]

T150 is good enough for my main I use to test garbage on

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

most cm terapagos players have like no deviation from the linear lead it t1 and click cm a cppl times

[mighty stump]

I'm almost sure i have more alts that are consistently higher ranked

than main like

almost always

[rustic mountain]

feel that lmfao

[mighty stump]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

i havent laddered w/ my main yet for reg g

[mighty stump]

But also thats probably because Terapagos can literally carry games on its own

[rustic mountain]

got 2 alts like top 300ish rn i think?

[rustic mountain]

yea like i get it, but also its really easy to gameplan vs

[mighty stump]

Oh lol my APAC teammate is exactly R150

Oh

One of our members is Mr GX himself

[rustic mountain]

ik mr gx

great player

loves his suicune

[mighty stump]

Did you know he doesn't have a switch

[rustic mountain]

i did not

[mighty stump]

Hes purely an SD player

[rustic mountain]

there was a cracked italian player i knew that didnt have one just did team leagues and sd

wonder if he ever got one

[autumn vault]

True, i haven't even played 20 matches yet i am so close to 1300s, its not even funny

CS stands for Choice Specs

[solid frigate]

tortol

[autumn vault]

I was Wrong about CM being better than CS

Its the opposite

And more brainless on top of that

[south shuttle]

wth is cm

[autumn vault]

Calm Mind

[south shuttle]

oh

[next stump]

does anyone have a recreated CSR paste from one of the top teams in LA? I don’t care which one specifically, just need to test some lines into Clef/Caly/Incin/Rilla

[mighty stump]

I got you

You can have my variant

Ill DM it, I had 80%+ GXE on it

It's definitely not the LA one but i've beaten the LA ones too

[solid frigate]

i already told ya CS is better

i just wanna use CM

[mighty stump]

CM can definitely beat CS lol

It's not an easy one is better than the other at all

[chrome knot]

comp sci vs calculus !!

[solid frigate]

it's just an Option for players who want brainless Gameplay or more linear

[mighty stump]

Both are linear

Don't get that mistaken

[south shuttle]

brainless gameplay is soo much fun

i love spamming tera starstorm

its way better than actually using your head

[strange fjord]

I think there was a CSR that made it to 18th Place that had Specs and a Smeargle at LA. It was this guy: https://pokepast.es/87c8050c32c13c36

[solid frigate]

imagine giving yourself an emote

[south shuttle]

imagine getting mad at that

[strange fjord]

Funny enough, I battled him in a Bo1 OTS Premier Challenge the day before LA and managed to basically win turn 1 lol.

[solid frigate]

i am not even mad i was questioning why would you do that

[south shuttle]

why not

[solid frigate]

because its even more stupid that only you agree on

[mighty stump]

Liking your own posts-type energy

[south shuttle]

no way you actually thought i was being serious

the reaction made it more obvious

[solid frigate]

I mean Singles Players = Mostly Braindead

[mighty stump]

I’m pretty sure jokes are meant to be funny though

[solid frigate]

thats how i saw Singles Players before

🇪 🇽 🇦 🇨 🇹 🇱 🇾

[south shuttle]

thats not entirely true

[solid frigate]

well blame the people who make it braindead

not me, I just see what i see when i play singles

[south shuttle]

on the high ladder?

[solid frigate]

Low and High.

and Stall team oh don't get me started on it

[south shuttle]

i mean i agree on the low ladder but the high is usually decent

[solid frigate]

Idk who is worse,Doubles Stall Team or Singles Stall Team

they both are equally worse

[south shuttle]

yeah both formats have stall, so why is singles bad?

[solid frigate]

its slow gameplay

a fast singles match is less than 40 Turns

40 TURNS-

[mighty stump]

This just sounds like a very unproductive conversation

[south shuttle]

it can be shorter

[willow vault]

I’ll put it this way most vgc games last between 7-13 turns, most singles games take 30, that’s on the lower end of the scale

[south shuttle]

some people instantly forfeit if you get set up

[willow vault]

It is

[solid frigate]

it is

[willow vault]

And people ff in vgc too, what’s the point?

[south shuttle]

singles doesnt always lasts 30+ turns

[willow vault]

And a vgc game can end in two turns if you want it too

[south shuttle]

ik

[willow vault]

Having to say ‘doesn’t always’ implies it very often does

[mighty stump]

What is the goal here

Lol

[tranquil kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[south shuttle]

idk someone said singles players are braindead usually

[tranquil kraken]

i think that's more talking about the playstyle than the person

[south shuttle]

well stall teams are commonly called braindead

[tranquil kraken]

i can imagine it being very boring to play against that

[mighty stump]

I always find doubles vs singles discourse silly

[tranquil kraken]

alot of discourse is silly tbf

[mighty stump]

Ignoring something you dislike is a truly premium skill

[tranquil kraken]

[solid frigate]

anyways

[graceful flare]

I got a win with terapagos

[dull ibex]

I don't want to argue but uh no doubles doesn't have stall

Not vgc atleast

Not in any real viable way

[autumn vault]

Because people here love bashing it so much (Smogon formats > VGC formats)

[dull ibex]

There's no good or bad format

It's tribalism, you like what you like

I do think a few of the formats are unproductive to learning though

[autumn vault]

I prefer doubles but prefer how smogon handles comp more than VGC does

[dull ibex]

Vgc is healthier meta rn

So I'm not sure I agree

[autumn vault]

If people want to like different things then go ahead

But i am stating my opinion

[dull ibex]

I think alot of OUs bans and restrictions applied to vgc would make it alot worse

[autumn vault]

I meant the tiering systems > throwing everything together and not banning anything
Especially with the powercreep
Also they balance around BSS and VGC, not 6v6

[dull ibex]

But it's not better

Some of those stronger monsters that would get banned enable team diversity

[autumn vault]

People have different opinions, there is nothing factually better than the other, i am stating what i prefer not which is objectively better

[autumn vault]

True

But not always in a positive way

[dull ibex]

I'm just saying you're logic is flawed when it goes against the way vgc works

Plus we tried a ban list once

Never again please

[autumn vault]

And that was very hated

[dull ibex]

It was nearly objectively terrible

[autumn vault]

Especially in a more balanced format with no pokemon who are too powerful

If it was in a restricted format, then it isn't a terrible idea

[dull ibex]

That was not that

[solid frigate]

yep they banned some funny picks

[autumn vault]

But in a non-restricted format is not neccesary

[dull ibex]

I was okay with rilla and cinder

[dull ibex]

This is just not true

[autumn vault]

Although i would have liked to never see flutter mane in a format, just one

[solid frigate]

and Maybe Incin,but like others WTF

[dull ibex]

Non restricted doesn't mean less balanced

More balanced*

[autumn vault]

True

[dull ibex]

Honestly restricted is more balanced then some non restricted formats

[autumn vault]

True

[dull ibex]

Series A*

[autumn vault]

I only played comp since the beggining of SV so i will get things wrong about previous generations

[autumn vault]

And also add reg D to that

[dull ibex]

The first format was less balanced then current restricted

Reg d was fine.

[autumn vault]

I really liked Reg A but i can see why people hate it

[dull ibex]

I loved reg a

But it was less balanced

[solid frigate]

its ok

[autumn vault]

Plus i was about to say that people who hate Reg a because of sushi and big feesh and just those 2 are not so smart but then i remembered that i hate reg B most just because of flutter and bundle

[dull ibex]

Incin isn't an issue

Incin is necessary especially now

[autumn vault]

Incineroar is balance, no

[dull ibex]

Regulation A had an overly dominant fish strat, an dominant make it rain strat

And was highly volatile

[autumn vault]

Imagine Reg G or SwSh restricted formats without incineroar, i would quit competitive restricted formats

[bold geode]

You're flawed ha got em

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

I second this

Usually you are braindead when it comes to jokes but i like this one

[dull ibex]

Monke is bitch made it's okay

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

No one likes Monke, we put up with him because we think hes cute or smth

[dull ibex]

No thanks

[dull ibex]

Two things no it didn't

And no you

[bold geode]

But the pic go hard though

[autumn vault]

Braindead convo

Wrong image

Braindead convo

[dull ibex]

Bait when I was a kid: I hate women

Bait in 2024: I hate women

Bait.... Bait never changes

Heh fallout reference

[bold geode]

Y'know what else don't change
Your mid play

[dull ibex]

You're not wrong

I'm not great anymore

[autumn vault]

You know what doesn't change? Your incredibly mid/braindead dialogue

[bold geode]

Lol
"You got me there"

[dull ibex]

It's whatever

[autumn vault]

At this point we just abuse Monke because Tofu does

[bold geode]

Anyways how doing Red

[dull ibex]

I'm tired

[autumn vault]

I'm busy

[dull ibex]

I've been doing it just as long as tofu has

[bold geode]

Well Monke see Monke do, so you're all Monke

[autumn vault]

I have been doing it since a few weeks ago

[dull ibex]

I'm abusing dollar because he deserves it

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[autumn vault]

Agreed, he does deserve it

[bold geode]

Wow
Mods get his ass

[willow vault]

I haven’t been abusing monke at all, unless I have on accident then I apologise

[dull ibex]

[autumn vault]

Bro been rude at me a month ago, returning it back

[autumn vault]

You're too pure

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/lunala-pokemon-moon-gif-14561596

[solid frigate]

MOnke moment

[dull ibex]

It's not legit abuse

I mock dollar jokingly

[autumn vault]

When Tofu does it, it is

[timber falcon]

I just like to flex my lunala win against him

[willow vault]

I’m am only mean when I mean it, atleast when I’m online

[solid frigate]

Lunala moment

[dull ibex]

Tofu also does it out of friendship

[bold geode]

Yeah we kid
We talk shit, then we make it up by hitting the battle bucket

[autumn vault]

True, he has known Monke since a year ago

[dull ibex]

If monke actually pisses me off

You'll know trust me I'll say so

[bold geode]

We talk shit, then we hit master master ball ball

[dull ibex]

My cat solos

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pcfcfournil-pcfc-gif-12425435

[solid frigate]

lmao

[autumn vault]

My ass solos Master Ball

[bold geode]

"Configuring my Switch to make my cat play VGC not clickbait 100% real"

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/mbappéom-kylian-mbappé-paris-saint-germain-psg-gif-13937898

[autumn vault]

Monke, i would block him if i were you

[bold geode]

"Configuring my Switch to make my ass play VGC not clickbait 100% real"

[autumn vault]

But or Donke? Both

[dull ibex]

George would be the next Wolfe

[autumn vault]

I said Donke without joking

[bold geode]

Nah
He's not even worth the effort of doing that

[timber falcon]

[bold geode]

Bro Wolfe did a YouTube short using the BBL Drizzy sound lmao

[dull ibex]

Lol

[timber falcon]

Anyways, anyone wanna bo3 for fun

[bold geode]

Hold on lemme

[autumn vault]

Do you have a Himmy Burnt Glizzy Tour?

Thats an actual name btw

[bold geode]

That's on Wednesdays

[autumn vault]

Super cringe💀

[bold geode]

Today would be
Lemme see what's going on

[autumn vault]

Pedro > The News > Tailtean Plains in Maddening

[bold geode]

Oh Beanie Brawl is today

[willow vault]

Real life > VGC > Drawing. That is my priority list

[bold geode]

Also Gerty's

My dog is wallering all over me rn

[timber falcon]

what the difference between draawing and real life?

[willow vault]

Hanging out with my friends, and other things like working to be able to survive

Drawing is a form of escapism from the stresses of daily life

[timber falcon]

ah ok, understandable

[willow vault]

Probably should have said daily life rather than real life

[solid frigate]

basically me

[autumn vault]

My dog > Daily Life > Studying > VGC > Idk

[willow vault]

Fair

[autumn vault]

I must protect my dog at all costs

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-kitten-cat-cute-cat-gif-7309452916863172056

[south shuttle]

calyrex ice & trick room

[strange fjord]

I shall perhaps make a Munchlax offensive team. looking at Tofu's Snorlax Sun team, got a bit to thinking

[autumn vault]

After my exam i will work on my Koraidon team

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-toy-poodle-smiling-dog-gif-14054732649208819886

[strange fjord]

Munchlax doesn't get body press

[dapper crag]

Munchlax's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Chip Away, Counter, Covet, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fissure, Flail, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, Hold Back, Ice Punch, Last Resort, Lick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Power-Up Punch, Pursuit, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Self-Destruct, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Belch, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Surf, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

After You, Amnesia, Attract, Belly Drum, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Metronome, Odor Sleuth, Protect, Rain Dance, Recycle, Rest, Sandstorm, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Stockpile, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swallow, Toxic, Whirlwind, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Munchlax.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 446: Munchlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Pickup, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

135/85/40/40/85/5

Total

390

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

tf is odor sleuth 💀

[south shuttle]

40 defense 💀

[dapper crag]

Move: Odor Sleuth

As long as the target remains active, its evasiveness stat stage is ignored during accuracy checks against it if it is greater than 0, and Normal- and Fighting-type attacks can hit the target if it is a Ghost type. Fails if the target is already affected, or affected by Foresight or Miracle Eye.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

40 (64)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

basically scrappy

[strange fjord]

snorlax gets body press and it has 65 defense

[timber falcon]

but a move

[strange fjord]

curse helps with the body press damage

[solid frigate]

Curse Ice Horse moment(Not Caly Ice,just Ice Horse)

[timber falcon]

oh oh

torrent

[solid frigate]

?

[timber falcon]

mind if i see that cres set?

[solid frigate]

its in the Rental Teams,but i can give you np

[junior blade]

Is kyurem black good for solos?

[timber falcon]

oh nvm then

[solid frigate]

Haze (Cresselia) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Blessing
• Thunder Wave
• Moonblast
• Helping Hand

[timber falcon]

oh thanks

[solid frigate]

here

also there is some speed invest compare to standard Goggles Cress

[south shuttle]

im guessing you mean ubers singles

there are a lot better dragon type threats

[junior blade]

Yeah

[south shuttle]

the only way its viable is if its dd imo

and loaded dice for icicle spear

[junior blade]

Could you suggest me something working with this:

[solid frigate]

wait what are you cooking lol

[timber falcon]

earthquake lando-T shenanigans

[solid frigate]

ooooooo

[timber falcon]

so far

[junior blade]

@south shuttle ;-;

[solid frigate]

I remember Lando T and Cress are great partners back in the day

CHALK Team also has them
I think Gen 5 as well?

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133688986 Nice

[timber falcon]

oh they were pals?

[strange fjord]

thoughts on my new team from the old one?

[solid frigate]

they used to be great friends back in the day of gen 5-6 ,but i think it can still work in Gen 9

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2133688986 NIce damage on Giratina

[pearl wind]

munchlax looks so cute

[south shuttle]

now that i see the team i think dd kyurem works

[junior blade]

Alr, what moveset do you think would be the best

[solid frigate]

wait a minute,if i make a Gen 6 Chalk Team but replace Kangaskhan with Terapagos : >

[timber falcon]

no idea what that is.

[south shuttle]

if kyurem black that probably dragon claw, icicle spear, fusion bolt/eq, and any other move

i personally like dragon dance

[junior blade]

Yeah, thats what i do, what item tho, dice?

[timber falcon]

dragon dance dice for if singles

[south shuttle]

yeah dice

[solid frigate]

CHALK Team is a Team that is very consistent in Gen 6 VGC(Before restricted formats)

Composed with Cresselia,Heatran,Amoonguss,Lando T and Mega Kangaskhan

[timber falcon]

oh for some reason i thought it was related to actual chalk lol

that makes more sence

[solid frigate]

i might recreate the team but Mega Kangaskhan replaced with Terapagos

[timber falcon]

thatd be cool

[solid frigate]

lemme see if i can make it

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/be5ca4ac8246adbb

hmmmmmm

[timber falcon]

looks good on paper

[solid frigate]

i will test it later

[timber falcon]

though only speed control there is scarf

[solid frigate]

yeah unless you count T-Wave

[timber falcon]

and that#

[solid frigate]

but yeah its not perfect

i just build it for funni

[willow vault]

Hey Torrent have you tried volcarona next to Terapagos, I thinks it’s got some potential, A it’s redirection is good B it can burn zamazenta with flame body or will-o-wisp, it’s not so perfect for koraidon since it has fire Tera. Just figured you may want to think about it

[solid frigate]

done that before,its quite nice tho

[willow vault]

Just checking incase you had not

[timber falcon]

redirection?

[dapper crag]

Volcarona's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Bug Bite, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Flare Blitz, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Leech Life, Lunge, Poison Jab, Pounce, Return, Secret Power, Skitter Smack, Take Down, Thrash, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Absorb, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Ember, Fiery Dance, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Giga Drain, Gust, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Mystical Fire, Overheat, Psychic, Round, Signal Beam, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Harden, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Morning Sun, Protect, Quiver Dance, Rage Powder, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Whirlwind, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Volcarona.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[willow vault]

Rage powder

[timber falcon]

oh it gets that

[willow vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

i tried almost everything on Terapagos

[willow vault]

Fair enough just incase

[solid frigate]

but Terapagos,Cresselia and Amoonguss provides the most success

mhm

[autumn vault]

How stupid do you think this is?

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

Its Timid rain tera water water spout at 100% HP

And also Mystic Water

[craggy dagger]

wym

[autumn vault]

Just look at how it deleted half of Giratina's health

[craggy dagger]

did you expect it to ohko?

[autumn vault]

Doubles? Icicle Spear Scale Shot Dragon Dance Protect/Fusion Bolt
Singles? Mostly the same except Protect for Fusion Bolt/Earthquake

[solid frigate]

ok i kinda get it why Kyogre is named Corrin but isn't Corrin a Water Dragon-

[autumn vault]

Nope

[craggy dagger]

so then why?

[junior blade]

Is stellar good for singles?

[autumn vault]

I was still surprised it nuked half of it's health

[solid frigate]

giratina is a Defensive Tank, so it can eat stuff

[autumn vault]

I don't see stellar on munchstats so probably no

[craggy dagger]

oh

well it is resisted too

[junior blade]

Oh alr

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/120/100/120/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Giratina-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

And obviously Loaded Dice

[autumn vault]

Yes but Kyogre spouts water, in Corrin's final smash they create a vortex of water and suck a few characters in it, they are masters of water so it makes a bit of sense

[craggy dagger]

what’s stupid abt this-???

[autumn vault]

Plus i thought the name fits Kyogre

[autumn vault]

The damage it did

[graceful flare]

Otot ahh teak

[craggy dagger]

it looks normal to me though-

[autumn vault]

For a Kyogre tera water water spout holding mystic water, in rain you are right

[craggy dagger]

[graceful flare]

@timber falcon

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Mystic Water Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Giratina-Origin in Rain: 122-144 (47.4 - 56%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO
Very normal damage isn't it

[graceful flare]

Yapatron

[timber falcon]

wut

please refarin from pinging without a reason

[graceful flare]

Ok

[willow vault]

They hadn’t a message in like 20 minutes which kind of yapping are you seeing?

[graceful flare]

Not otot

[timber falcon]

modest where?

:0

best duo fr

[graceful flare]

Bro got the best pokemon are swappers and lugia ahh team

That why I ping

[timber falcon]

ah makes sense

[autumn vault]

*Makes no sense

[autumn vault]

need for speed

[timber falcon]

also i feel like swampert would run AV if ever viable

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 260: Swampert

Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Swampert's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Bide, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Darkest Lariat, Dig, Dive, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, High Horsepower, Ice Ball, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Outrage, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mirror Coat, Mud Bomb, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Round, Scald, Sludge, Sludge Wave, Snore, Surf, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Barrier, Bulk Up, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Growl, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Supersonic, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Swampert.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

high horsepower , liquidation, knock, flip turn

heck wait a min it has wide guard

and is a miradon answer

ill save that as a possibilty for my Ho-oh team

[craggy dagger]

?!?!!?!?!?!?

it looks fine to me

[lofty tartan]

Seems fine. Giratina has huge hp with 120/120 defenses

[willow vault]

That’s really good damage considering giratina is a very bulky mon

[lofty tartan]

It's just not a very good mon outside of defenses

[autumn vault]

And also the amount of counters it has

[solid frigate]

Giratina moment

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Flutter Mane makes it worse than it already is.

[solid frigate]

invalidated by Calyrex Shadow and Flutter Mane

sure Origin form has better offense but 120 is just not gonna make the cut of the Power Levels we seen

and it kinda suffers in mixed attacker syndrome

[solid frigate]

and increasing Amount of Dark Types

Treasures of Ruin,Incineroar,Kingambit,I can go on

[graceful flare]

Yeah that's how I lost against that guy I showed u

[timber falcon]

oh damn

[timber falcon]

for a second i thought ur pfp was osborn lol

[solid frigate]

lel

[timber falcon]

i got no idea how i wanna ev my lando

[solid frigate]

if its offensive Lando

[timber falcon]

cause i dont believe scarf is the way

or maybe its better that way

nah

[solid frigate]

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Band
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 204 Atk / 44 Def / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Stomping Tantrum
• Rock Slide
• U-turn

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 68 HP / 116 Atk / 44 Def / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Tera Blast
• Stomping Tantrum
• Rock Slide
• U-turn

These two sets its what i found

[timber falcon]

the problem i got with them is caly-s

it outspeeds and hits both hard

[solid frigate]

Incin and Lando T are great Partners

[timber falcon]

oh wait with timid i can also outspeed

but for now ill try banded thanks

finally decided on 5th mon

really tryna take the teambuilding process slow

[willow vault]

The essay is finally done, I can take a break, wooooooooooooooo

[timber falcon]

luckily i dont have my tests untill 2 weeks time

[willow vault]

I don’t have tests just lots of essays

[timber falcon]

oh wow just in general must be tiring

[willow vault]

When writing yes, but less draining overall

[timber falcon]

eh maybe ill understand when i start doing those

[willow vault]

You not at university yet?

[timber falcon]

year 10

so coming up to my first mocks

[willow vault]

You got years worth of exams still

[timber falcon]

wait