Or go 3 move
#competitive_discussion
mighty stump
mighty stump
You have to be willing to entertain out of the box solutions if it makes sense
molten oasis
yea, that’s fair
I’ve liked the resist to water cuz kyogre is, annoying
but ig rn I have a spore guy
124 Atk Tera-Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 150-176 (75 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery good damage
+1 124 Atk Tera-Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast vs. 236 HP / 44 Def Gholdengo: 210-248 (109.3 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
We can try it
I’m not against it
cyan smelt
should i replace rilla for amoonguss then?
cyan smelt
rollout?
cyan smelt
says amoonguss has rollout
cyan smelt
slowly beginning to understand eving for speed etc, the main thing i wanted rotom to outspeed was av rilla and it does that by 1 point with the ev spread i made, idk if there's anything else i should aim to outspeed
i'm just gonna keep trying to ev things and figure it out as i go along
There's no way I'm outspeeding kyogre when it's under tw
So I'll just use rilla to deal with kyogre
molten oasis
I have lost in bo1 to the 1 meta team, cuz i miss played
cyan smelt
Pain
molten oasis
Well, we beat the Mirai team https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123039399-0itwayu7nng9gtkasf6udjzq3mcu98epw
I could have played better
forest arrow
Dang there’s actually a Zac day 2 @molten oasis
It’s literally Zac slapped onto the Ice rider team tho lol
forest arrow
Yeah for sure!
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123040737 again, could have played better
forest arrow
Ice rider no peli, they chose Dengo AND bolt
molten oasis
Well that team is strong, makes sense
charred saddle
damn araquanid is actually pretty insane
forest arrow
I know I just told you yesterday I thought there wasn’t any cause regional is so small
charred saddle
is it not fairy tera on bolt?
or are they banking on them reading fairy tera and not draco? 
forest arrow
No it’s electric 😅
charred saddle
oh we know the tera?
forest arrow
I saw it on his team when he was switching cause KO’d
forest arrow
it still doesn’t wanna take that Draco even tho it’s AV lol
cyan smelt
Why isn't there a physical def equivalent of assault vest?
cyan smelt
But now there's CA
charred saddle
dude foul play hurts so much to CIR
cyan smelt
True
charred saddle
why sash if ur gonna be playing with clef btw? just a question
crimson flume
Just copied it from Wolfe. I'm a copy ninja XD
Is there a better alternative to sash?
charred saddle
since i dont really play CSR
but i feel like cloak calm mind benefits more from it now
crimson flume
Covert Cloak + Calm mind?
charred saddle
alternative to calm mind also using leftovers and just standing there calm minding
its a quite nice set
yeah, or leftovers
cyan smelt
Might want psyshock over psychic on caly s?
crimson flume
The core of this team is Clef + CSR right?
charred saddle
astral barrage calm mind draining kiss is what they used usually
yeah with FG u are quite bulky
since ur not running sash, iirc it runs a bit of bulk
its what i know, im just asking if sash + clef is something u really wanna use tbh
crimson flume
its what i know, im just asking if sash + clef is something u really wanna use t...
Maybe not. I just copied this from Wolfe's tournament team.
charred saddle
since what i really like is have a bulky setter with FG
crimson flume
Hmmm....
charred saddle
btw psychic is nice, but psyshock is also a good alternative
forest arrow
He almost knocked out his own Farig?
charred saddle
HAHAH
forest arrow
discharge is definitely a play lmao
cyan smelt
Why do people run discharge on miraidon?
forest arrow
kind of threw the game bro, just Edrift
Cause Rajan Bal did as a surprise factor last week
I’m sure Farig is ground Tera
charred saddle
Hmmm....
take my words with a grain of salt. this is what i know
calm mind set is what im recently seeing, but i dont really have an experience playing it, was mainly asking about ur set
crimson flume
I'll do some experimentation with it.
forest arrow
Come on Caly get passed the para
forest arrow
Damn
forest arrow
Amoongus stronkks I found a new love for it finally I usually hate it
forest arrow
Yeah I’m pretty sure they live Hurricanes from peli
forest arrow
That’s why I stellar 
molten oasis
Lost ti a groudon, I suck
forest arrow
Bro Groudon is good when it doesn’t miss PBlades
Don’t beat yourself up, you’re using a new team.
charred saddle
precimiss blade, orimiss pulse
where for astral missrage or glacimiss lance 
not fair
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
forest arrow
Basically like CC
charred saddle
yeah
was just checking if it had a miss chance 
old legs got power crept by the signature move
forest arrow
Indeed 
molten oasis
mm
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123050030 I’m doing better
Ig
charred saddle
AV salamence 
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
cyan smelt
why did they set up tr in front of an amoonguss lmao
mighty stump
Just copied it from Wolfe. I'm a copy ninja XD
Idk if you should be sharing yhe Patreon stuff from Wolfe lol
charred saddle
tofu also played against lefies caly S with the mirror he showed us yesterday
crimson flume
Idk if you should be sharing yhe Patreon stuff from Wolfe lol
Mb. xD
charred saddle
tbh i quite like lefties more than cloak, but cloak does prevent future FO turns
crimson flume
oh thats patreon stuff? <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
It is.
Crap. Seems I need to breed a 0 speed clefairy lmao.
crimson flume
I have a 0a0s I forgot his name
charred saddle
oo pog
crimson flume
The goo blob pokemon
charred saddle
ditto
crimson flume
0a0s ditto
charred saddle
noice
crimson flume
just get 0s dittto then speed band thingy then done
Speed band? Ah okay
mighty stump
tofu also played against lefies caly S with the mirror he showed us yesterday
I dont play Lefties though lol
charred saddle
smeargle
cyan smelt
i think it's power bracer
charred saddle
I dont play Lefties though lol
ur opponent
charred saddle
lupa tulis against
mighty stump
Dawn Wings is an interesting prediction
Smeargle gets stronger the stronger the format
cyan smelt
bob ross
charred saddle
Can ditto still wear destiny knot?
u can, but if ur only want 0s and wanna ensure the speed to be passed down, just use the speed band
crimson flume
Speed band on clefa or speed band on ditto?
charred saddle
ditto
crimson flume
I was about to put speed band on clefa and ditto with destiny
forest arrow
Then you’d always pass down clefs speed, just do speed band on ditto
cyan smelt
so let me guess we have to participate in online competitions
forest arrow
yeah Dillon said Kiraidon and Pagos won other regionals
mighty stump
All won*
cyan smelt
oh wait nvm
forest arrow
Pretty cool
mighty stump
Deserved
forest arrow
It was CLam two fire STAB, Course, Protect
mighty stump
Incredibly consistent mons with clear strengths/weaknesses/counterplay
mighty stump
It was CLam two fire STAB, Course, Protect
Blitz and Charge probably
charred saddle
name is power anklett
cyan smelt
so are there gonna be a lot of speed ties between miraidon and koraidon?
charred saddle
if u really want to make like a perfect 0a0s 4IV clef then yeah, just destiny knot the dittto.
find a 0s clef in the breeds
then u power anklet 0s clef, then destiny knotditto
knotty mirage
Anyone know what the best dragon stab for koraidon ?
charred saddle
dragon claw i suppose?
charred saddle
def drop quite scary tho
crimson flume
name is power anklett
Thanksu ❤️
gentle cragBOT
Thanksu ❤️
orange_uva has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
knotty mirage
Scale shot seem's nice but it heavily rng reliant to get good damage
mighty stump
Loaded Dice lol
knotty mirage
Unless you use loaded dice which i think really bad for vgc
charred saddle
loaded dice isnt necessarily bad
knotty mirage
Intin is def the biggest problem
charred saddle
goddamn strong
mighty stump
Check yo numbers
knotty mirage
Okay yeah fair enough dark type doesn't want to be in front of koraidon
charred saddle
-1 252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 224-264 (112 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 236 HP / 100 Def Incineroar: 203-243 (101.5 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
crazy
cyan smelt
no wonder incin is running ghost tera now
charred saddle
well ghost tera is also to prevent faster FO
mighty stump
Zamazenta
forest arrow
Body presss reeee
mighty stump
Ur never really clicking Wisp into Koraidon with Tera Fire unless your opp is like
Illiterate
forest arrow
Keanus team made it to top 8 twice
charred saddle
thats keanus team?
mighty stump
Probably better wallbreaking capability than standard Balance
charred saddle
the choice banded boom?
forest arrow
The Goltres, Latios stuff, ran it last week at Indy
charred saddle
goddamn
mighty stump
CB Boom funni I had a lot of fun with it in Reg F
charred saddle
yeah i can quite see it just spamming glide
buffing bug types
"gen 10, bug types hits SE to fairy"
forest arrow
Caly I Mirror match
charred saddle
oo mirror match
forest arrow
And they don’t have Pelis for wide guard
cyan smelt
holy crap koraidon is damn strong
charred saddle
itts just all out offensive then no?
forest arrow
Kind of feels like it, only support is Incin and Amoongus
charred saddle
if its like the whole same paste, wouldnt it be like speed tie on most of them?
its like coin flip now
charred saddle
is for sure hat caly I gets to top 4 now
mighty stump
yeah i can quite see it just spamming glide
HH booster Wood Hammers
charred saddle
ur killing a dead body tofu
cyan smelt
cb rilla sounds funny af
mighty stump
Twitter
charred saddle
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Rillaboom Helping Hand Wood Hammer vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane in Grassy Terrain: 554-654 (352.8 - 416.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
enough to kill 4 bulky flutter
cyan smelt
that's overkill
forest arrow
Oh my-
charred saddle
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Rillaboom Helping Hand Wood Hammer vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon in Grassy Terrain: 213-251 (121 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
kills it through resist
cyan smelt
insane
charred saddle
252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Helping Hand Wood Hammer vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon in Grassy Terrain: 319-376 (181.2 - 213.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
cyan smelt
i want to try cb rilla now
forest arrow
Damn that’s pretty crazy
charred saddle
amulet coin gholdengo
charred saddle
is that bright powder ditto
molten oasis
https://x.com/raisedintyo/status/1789604756643545550?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZc...
I’ll keep this in mind
brisk hatch
Terapagos is legit man
molten oasis
Do it Drago
Do what espeed spam?
forest arrow
I mean flutter stonks low
molten oasis
Fari stonks are high
forest arrow
Knock out fari
forest arrow
Okay bro chill out lmao
brisk hatch
I wish the special attack stat of terapagos was better
molten oasis
I don’t really wanna go play HO for this but I’ll try it out
forest arrow
You don’t have to Espeed.
molten oasis
I feel lost man, idk what to do rn
molten oasis
Feels like I’m throwing things at the wall and they bounce off
forest arrow
I feel you man.
cyan smelt
that's how i felt while using ho-oh
went on a crazy win streak to get to mid 1400s then tilted
molten oasis
Cool that Tyo got that paonite Zac team to feel good
idk if I want to play dnite shit rn, but whatever, it’s in my builder
Could work for me could not,
brisk hatch
Ppl be scared of miraidon. 😆 lol
I used it for my first reg g team
Got up to rank 2567
Now trying terapagos
After ppl seen rajan bal win with miraidon ppl flock to it huh?
molten oasis
cyan smelt
people tend to like what's proven at tournaments
forest arrow
Because it wins
brisk hatch
I used choice scarf miraidon instead of specs
molten oasis
maybe tree was right about the team as a whole feeling off, idk
charred saddle
exact same mirror
forest arrow
Oh they Dursh
charred saddle
oh right
timber falcon
This is why u don’t deny OTS
brisk hatch
I like to eat them Calyrex for breakfast 😋
cyan smelt
lmao love the salt
forest arrow
Damn no peli and single strike
molten oasis
Cool teams ig, I’m gonna go recollect myself
forest arrow
Might have to try it
timber falcon
lmao love the salt
Smeargle muk player calling me cringe is so ironic
molten oasis
I feel fairly defeated rn
molten oasis
Enjoy the regional y’all
timber falcon
Same I used it in game but it was boring
brisk hatch
@molten oasis
Go with ur most comfortable playstyle and build around the pokemon ur most used to that u know are good
molten oasis
that’s the problem
Restricteds are completely new to me
I like zacian cuz of favoritism and it’s fun
molten oasis
Were u not testing em?
Doesn’t mean it’s not new to me
cyan smelt
i played with restricteds during swsh but yeah it's a big learning curve for me too
timber falcon
Doesn’t mean it’s not new to me
I mean they’re new to me but I’d say I’ve fully adapted
molten oasis
ok well I play balance and I don’t enjoy the top meta restricteds rn
brisk hatch
It's just what I'm best at used for speed control
timber falcon
ok well I play balance and I don’t enjoy the top meta restricteds rn
Neither do i, but I play against them
molten oasis
I meant playing them
timber falcon
Ohh ok
brisk hatch
When ppl say balance what do they refer to?
Like fire water grass core?
timber falcon
No idea actually
cyan smelt
balance teams are teams that have a good mix of offensive and defensive capabilities
molten oasis
That roughly is what it is
brisk hatch
In my opinion Ursaluna is a must for ANY team.
I prefer physical 😏
molten oasis
I’ve tried terapagos, caly ice, groudon, zama, they aren’t fun to me
Idk, I’ll figure something out
charred saddle
damn marco is playing the mirror so good
cyan smelt
have you tried just nuking stuff with koriadon?
brisk hatch
Like every team has to have inciniroar or rillaboom
timber falcon
I’ve tried terapagos, caly ice, groudon, zama, they aren’t fun to me
Only thing left to do is try out some more
molten oasis
have you tried just nuking stuff with koriadon?
I don’t like restricteds that just nuke stuff without any form or set up
I like set up
timber falcon
Like every team has to have inciniroar or rillaboom
No, that’s mostly for balance
brisk hatch
@cyan smelt fire tera looks appealing on that
cyan smelt
well the meta is really fast-paced atm so not a lot of time for set up
forest arrow
Not a lot of room for error rn
molten oasis
clearly, let’s just play sun ho, that’ll be fun
(I’ve tried it a couple times, I don’t like how ho plays)
brisk hatch
It's easy to lose on turn 1 in reg g if ur not careful. Lol
forest arrow
Kind of hard to set up when everyone runs Water Spouting Kyorgres
timber falcon
I like set up
Ohh so that’s ur playstyle huh, have u thought of rayquaza?
charred saddle
cough cough
molten oasis
Ray sucks
timber falcon
How do u know
molten oasis
You want a dragon flying type with espeed play dnite
cyan smelt
dragon ascent is kinda nice though
timber falcon
I’ve been thinking of a meteor beam one, it has a mix of attack and spatck
brisk hatch
@molten oasis ray with espeed and chien poa?
cyan smelt
dnite doesn't get good flying stab
molten oasis
Yiu don’t need the flying stab
mighty stump
Technically Rayquaza is pretty good into Koraidon 😎
brisk hatch
Rayquaza better than dnite
mighty stump
They do different things
brisk hatch
Air lock
brisk hatch
Lose peliper
mighty stump
Just ignore the non-relevant suggestions to the Zac team
molten oasis
it was more, just
mighty stump
Where are you at
molten oasis
Tera ground wasn’t hitting hard enough
Kyogre mu is very annoying
Mostly tornogre
mighty stump
Bolt then
molten oasis
Mirai is, rough
mighty stump
Tera ground wasn’t hitting hard enough
To who
brisk hatch
I bet scarf kyogre is decent if can get set up proper
mighty stump
Can’t take up Scarf on Rain teams if its not Urshifu
molten oasis
To who
Mirai, and it’s cuz they’re all paired with incin so it doesn’t kill
then volt switch into whims then whims clicks tw and then I get snowballed
mighty stump
252 Atk Tera-Ground Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 152-182 (86.3 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
charred saddle
CA zacian
hehe
molten oasis
I’m only 124 rn
molten oasis
mighty stump
I don’t disagree but it’s not really relevant to the process
molten oasis
Sadly for me
timber falcon
I see it often on cart at least
molten oasis
Everyone likes zama
mighty stump
What was the bulk again for?
brisk hatch
I sucked at dynamax
molten oasis
Groudon
timber falcon
Everyone likes zama
I prefer zac as a mon lol
mighty stump
Dont need it anymore
mighty stump
Just start off as max max
molten oasis
Go from there?
brisk hatch
Man I love the Tera system between it and dynamax
I never play the mega stuff or Z move
molten oasis
Like, if it feels needed
charred saddle
marco def wins this with bolt tclap
mighty stump
Id rather focus on playing around it rather than forcing bulk
molten oasis
that’s fair
mighty stump
Unless you wanna run Clef/Zacian/Torn
charred saddle
oh damn nvm this is scary
brisk hatch
I like zekrom but why Zek when u can Raging Bolt ? Haha@charred saddle
mighty stump
Ngl
molten oasis
well personally I’m still gonna go 207, idt max speed matters on Zac
molten oasis
I can’t outspeed csr, so I think it’s ok
mighty stump
Imo, you need Bolt
molten oasis
k
mighty stump
Id take it over Regidrago
molten oasis
well, that was fun while it lasted lol
mighty stump
Then you can check between Amoonguss or Zacian and scout Miraidons moves
molten oasis
Yea
mighty stump
Id almost argue running a Ground type instead
cyan smelt
why not scarf lando
mighty stump
The difficulty in protect scouting is having to deal with encore Whims
molten oasis
Lando t isn’t really that good
mighty stump
Lando t isn’t really that good
Are u saying this from evidence?
cyan smelt
lando-i i meant
molten oasis
N-no just from like, results and usage
charred saddle
tbh i made scarf lando I as a joke
molten oasis
I should be more open sorry
charred saddle
its no something good. it loses a lot of damage
mighty stump
Miraidon’s main weakness is the potential walling of its STABs
Be it Ground or Fairy
molten oasis
We could try it, just opens concerns of incin
charred saddle
it only wins a certain MU and it loses value since it cant protect and against TW up u are still very vulnerable
cyan smelt
what about ting-lu?
molten oasis
I wouldn’t be against lando t, st least trying it
cyan smelt
or is ting-lu too passive
molten oasis
now that I’m working on being more open to ideas, as of 25 seconds ago
mighty stump
Ting-Lu isn’t a bad idea but Bolt helps the Kyogre MU as wel
Imo
Bolt/Zacian
Is a must
timber falcon
How does that duo deal with Groudon though
mighty stump
If you want you can try your own Whims/Torn and see if an offensive Zacian-C would be better
Hi, thanks for inputting a tangent
molten oasis
I think peli was fine and swords dance was fine
mighty stump
We skipped a few steps
timber falcon
Peli could be nice for a noticeable groudon MU
molten oasis
I do think maybe running a ground type helps as well
Ground covers fire and steel for Zac
molten oasis
Peli could be nice for a noticeable groudon MU
We’re not there yet
We have bolt and Zac
molten oasis
Groudon isn’t even that relevant
timber falcon
Oh it’s not?
molten oasis
It’s worth considering
timber falcon
Okidoki
molten oasis
But it’s like, for sun I’m worried about koraidon not groudon
timber falcon
But it’s like, for sun I’m worried about koraidon not groudon
Makes sense
mighty stump
Ngl
cyan smelt
rilla helps the kyogre mu too?
molten oasis
WAIT
timber falcon
rilla helps the kyogre mu too?
Bolt is there no?
mighty stump
Tera Stellar Zacian with Tera Blast
timber falcon
Seen that b4
cyan smelt
yeah but you need something to reset terrain against mirai surely
molten oasis
Oh my- guys
timber falcon
Stellar tera zac hurt me a lot
molten oasis
You’re all ahead of me lol
mighty stump
So either or you can threaten with PR/Tera Stellar on Miraidon
mighty stump
Its call based but its pretty much the best way to go bout it
ifwe wanna take advantage of that immediate power/threat
timber falcon
The team is a balance one right? With the goal to set up zac I assume
molten oasis
We’re not considering SD rn
timber falcon
Oh ok
mighty stump
I think Bolt/Zacian/Amoonguss/Peli is correct
molten oasis
It’s not like I click it much anyway as the format is fairly fast
I think amoonguss peli is good for sure
timber falcon
Is there an explanation for moongus?
molten oasis
it’s amoonguss
mighty stump
Still good into Miraidon lol
molten oasis
Spore redirection still good inti Mirai yea
mighty stump
0 spe gives you something to do in TR
mighty stump
So thats basically Koraidon/Miraidon/Kyogre fixed up
molten oasis
0 is best
timber falcon
How come?
molten oasis
Tr
timber falcon
But for like, which non
cyan smelt
underspeed other amoonguss?
molten oasis
But 27 is the minimum
charred saddle
oh dude that makes sense with normal tera gholdengo
timber falcon
Tr can be tricky, I find some speeds a bit above 0 to be better for mind games
Unless there’s a specific reason
molten oasis
sure, I still prefer 0 speed
mighty stump
id rather just be sure of my speeds and not have to figure it out later
molten oasis
yea, so
timber falcon
Okidoki
molten oasis
Ground type, ik lando I would be better but I do kinda wanna try Therian
mighty stump
Speed ties are shit despite being some best case scenarios
molten oasis
Not that it’s needed
mighty stump
Ground type, ik lando I would be better but I do kinda wanna try Therian
Well I wa sjust pointing it out to just see reasonings
Not necessarily to suggest it
timber falcon
Therian for which reason, intimidate and ground/elec immunity?
mighty stump
Ykwim
timber falcon
What speed is zac gonna be
molten oasis
207, outspeed bundle
mighty stump
make it 209 byw
molten oasis
Ok 209 then
timber falcon
Oh boy that’s fast
molten oasis
Oh that’s the bump I see
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
timber falcon
148 damn
cyan smelt
speedy
molten oasis
Wait doesn’t Tera blast go to 100 bp?
timber falcon
and respectable bulk
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
timber falcon
Yep
cyan smelt
you'd need to scout for tera
molten oasis
252 Atk Tera-Stellar Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Electric Miraidon: 154-182 (87.5 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO noted
ok, Zac bolt peli amoonguss
timber falcon
The MU
molten oasis
Hurricane with peli
timber falcon
Seems a bit risky though
After tr
Basically I’m suggesting incineraor for good measure
molten oasis
mmm, I feel like I rebuilt as in changed 1 Mon
timber falcon
Safety goggles also helps moongus MU
molten oasis
timber falcon
Looking good
molten oasis
wow, we changed 1 thing
timber falcon
Also I have a question, why gets ghost incin becoming popular
molten oasis
Zama
timber falcon
Oh yeah
molten oasis
Preventing fo
timber falcon
Forgot about zama, tha the actually a straight wall with wisp
Might have to run that
mighty stump
209 also outspeeds max spe Modest Blursa in TW
molten oasis
Oh
mighty stump
Thats why
molten oasis
I didn’t know that, cool
cyan smelt
that's where my miraidon opponent lost the game imo, they teraed miraidon instead of incin
mighty stump
Dunno how I feel about it
charred saddle
nils dunlop lost to itt
molten oasis
Dunno how I feel about it
I wasn’t really taking it earlier
Brought the dragon and Zac more often
Then peli and amoonguss
5th and 6th have been pretty “I bring you if dragon guy sucks”
Or peli bad into the mu
timber falcon
Maybe a bit random here, but would a random farig help lul
molten oasis
Or smth like that
timber falcon
I’ve been liking throat spray HH farig lately
molten oasis
Maybe a bit random here, but would a random farig help lul
We have 1 offensive Mon total
Cuz bolt somewhat mixed
cyan smelt
what about ursa bm
timber falcon
Without speed control?
cyan smelt
hmmm true
mighty stump
Time to whip out Basculegion
molten oasis
sure, why not
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
Scarf Tera Ghost and yolo
timber falcon
Does it need scarf on rain?
mighty stump
Yolo
timber falcon
Scarf then ig
mighty stump
In all actuality go Urshifu RS with Tera Grass probably, we force Zamazenta to Tera Grass otherwise it eats shit to SS in Rain and then Peli can clean up
Lol
charred saddle
molten oasis
forest arrow
Oooo Kelsch!
molten oasis
We changed, 1 Mon and Tera’s
The teambuilding process is crazy
anyway, I’ll try this later
I’m gonna keep the lando t idea in mind
Not that, it’s good, but maybe
cyan smelt
drago how's the team going, are you testing it?
forest arrow
Bro is so good
charred saddle
fucking insane win, kelsch overwhelming win
he reads every turn right
4-0 win holy fuck
very clean
bold geode
MDB running Keanu's team, crazy
warped mason
Whats the finals?
charred saddle
mdb is michael kelsch?
its different fight?
kelsch did a fucking nice job piloting the team
bold geode
mdb is michael kelsch?
Yup Kelsch is DerBeste
warped mason
Chad goltres player
mighty stump
Who won?
charred saddle
now finals
marco silva with CIR against MDB
with keanus team
oh nvm its not yet final HAHAHA
still top 4 game from marco
forest arrow
Caly I vs Specs Pagos
tame sky
Does this team look good?
https://pokepast.es/543a81b89bac8ddc
charred saddle
kinda feel zama wants protect over ID
cyan smelt
or protect over wide guard
tame sky
It needs iron defense cuz body press claps
charred saddle
matter of fact the team that went to final currently goes Body press heavy slam wideguard protect
doesnt even have ID
i mean go ahead if u feel it fits
i dont play zama, its just from what i watch
with 1 ID u do get to OHKO most stuff with BP, but like u also needed a turn to set up which makes urself vulnerable
+1 BP is alreqdy a significant damage
then again, take it with a grain of salt. havent used zama
i think u might want to watch the stockholm regionals final
it has zama in it
but aside from the two i commented, rest feels standard
idk how the team feels as a whole, just try it out and feel it
charred saddle
isnt chiyu faster than urshifu?
cyan smelt
should i change zamazenta's type to ghost to avoid fake out?
charred saddle
damn specs pagos does so much
foggy lodge
Ohno
south shuttle
Isn’t calyrex shadow better than ice in vgc right now?
molten oasis
drago how's the team going, are you testing it?
I needed to breathe so no
south shuttle
Because shadow has actually good psychic stab
molten oasis
Ice rider is better
mighty stump
Amazing call holy shit
Incin does come in now though
if dpulse flinches thats gg
You can just sac Chi-Yu here for free
bold geode
Morning Tofu
mighty stump
Morning
bold geode
Zamazenta in finals baby lfg
mighty stump
Marco loses
bold geode
Zama v Terapagos
Hehehehe
molten oasis
Yea, gg
molten oasis
There isn't one
The out is hope you live lol
Which, you definitely didn’t
specs terapagos is just, the thing ig
charred saddle
joji kaieda with specs pagos vs MCB with zama goltres CB boom
mighty stump
Skewed towards Zamazenta since it has WG
charred saddle
pagos also needs to EP zama
but also tera grass is tthere
but also chiyu is very strong to zama
bold geode
pagos also needs to EP zama
Two ways for Joji to win
- Chi Yu
Or - Try to use Amoongus to bait out the tera and then Tera Starstorm
molten oasis
can’t wait for a rise in zama 
bold geode
But I think method #2 will work better
mighty stump
So Joji already beat MDB's Zama
bold geode
Damn really
molten oasis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123117858-mtq9ffc9c5jv0lkhtrrfb60b2irzcvbpw so that stellar Tera is proving nice
cyan smelt
nice
molten oasis
I think I’m gonna adjust incins evs
cyan smelt
is there any way for it to live volt switch
mighty stump
You played tommy hayden?
Lol
I don't think you ever switch Amoonguss out there though
molten oasis
wait I did? Wha?
bold geode
Oh you played Tom
Sweet
molten oasis
Oh it’s just the name
charred saddle
finals stockholm is starting soon
molten oasis
Well, idk
mighty stump
Oh it’s just the name
Are you sure lol
molten oasis
Well, no lol
Anyway uh, 252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Electric Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 204+ SpD Incineroar in Electric Terrain: 172-204 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO this worth cough
Yes ik I shouldn’t have switched
mighty stump
Also if you had Play Rough you shoulda just clicked it into Incin at the end
Would have done more than Tera Stellar
mighty stump
Fair enough
molten oasis
I should have not switched t1 that was bad
mighty stump
Anyway uh, 252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Electric Miraidon Volt Switch...
Idts
You have two good switch ins to take that
molten oasis
Cool, probably best to live that if I run av, yea
charred saddle
molten oasis
At least I live no Tera volt switch with 20 spD no boosting nature
bold geode
Is Cornerstone the play now or something?
mighty stump
Try Turbo Incin lol
Probably just wanted the Sturdy as well
Rock coverage is nice
G1 lets gooo
molten oasis
mm
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Incineroar: 172-204 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO could do this
bold geode
I wonder if CB Glide kills Mane
molten oasis
I wonder if CB Glide kills Mane
Yea that’s a nuke button
bold geode
Oh it's Tera Grass too
Yeah funny
molten oasis
Lol
bold geode
Why we not Glide bro
mighty stump
Because
molten oasis
Oof
mighty stump
If Joji Teras
charred saddle
terapagos era
mighty stump
Same result
bold geode
Ah
mighty stump
Thats the strength of Tera Stellar lol
bold geode
I'm fucking stupid
mighty stump
You cannot call it
molten oasis
Terapagos mind games are rough
charred saddle
I'm fucking stupid
hi fucking stupid
molten oasis
I’m dad
mighty stump
Its a really underrated inherent strength
charred saddle
anyway, its very hard position for michael no?
like now chienpao is very open
ooh damn
bold geode
God
The single target is stupid
charred saddle
tha body press so much
molten oasis
True
mighty stump
Id say thats less than I thought
charred saddle
oh right ye theres SoR sill
molten oasis
Oh?
mighty stump
Speed Control on Zama teams probably also underrated
molten oasis
I was expecting chi yu
mighty stump
Redirection would be pog
molten oasis
Yea
mighty stump
Imo if Michael wants to target he has to go for the Terapagos
Punishes no Follow Me
mighty stump
damn
bold geode
The look to KO with Icy Wind I guess
mighty stump
Jojis also respecting the Wide Guard
bold geode
MDB is cancelling teras so much
molten oasis
Probably just considering options
mighty stump
ngl
molten oasis
Could want to minimize damage from ogerpon
mighty stump
I wonder if Tera lived
bold geode
Oof
Not the Chi
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
Id assume you’re faster than chi Yu
mighty stump
Chi is base 100
molten oasis
Yea
charred saddle
unless he latios isnt running any speed investment
mighty stump
No way it doesnt lol
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OH THE MISS
molten oasis
Oh huge
charred saddle
oh it still gets the KO
molten oasis
Aaaand it’s over lol
mighty stump
OH SHIT
molten oasis
That did so much
charred saddle
bro zama strong
mighty stump
Huge
bold geode
I told you
molten oasis
I think you were still in good position either way
bold geode
I been saying Slam's the play
charred saddle
i dont think heavy slam to non tera chiyu ges the KO
molten oasis
Unless he clicked heat wave
mighty stump
Not bringing Amoonguss is interesting
charred saddle
yeah agreed
molten oasis
Does flutter have taunt?
charred saddle
amoonguss there on the last mon raher than ogerpon can threaten michael really bad i think
mighty stump
no
molten oasis
Noted
mighty stump
amoonguss there on the last mon raher than ogerpon can threaten michael really b...
I mean Luster Purge
charred saddle
oh right right
molten oasis
Interesting
charred saddle
theres hat to be wary of
mighty stump
Grass Zam
molten oasis
Gotta say, fitting music 
charred saddle
BIG
molten oasis
Huge
charred saddle
missing chienpao
mighty stump
Gross
bold geode
Yo
molten oasis
Lol
charred saddle
molten oasis
That’s so free
mighty stump
no switch in eitehr
charred saddle
imagine missing icy wind now kek
molten oasis
And heat wave
charred saddle
oh?
molten oasis
?
charred saddle
all prottects?
molten oasis
LMAO
charred saddle
haha
molten oasis
Scouting things out, I don’t blame them
charred saddle
ye ye
molten oasis
Oh nice
charred saddle
icy wind heatwave again no
molten oasis
Yea Michael can take this, maybe
charred saddle
ah
mighty stump
Tera Call thuogh
charred saddle
goddamn
molten oasis
HUGE
mighty stump
BRO
charred saddle
mighty stump
NO HEAT WAVE?
charred saddle
JOJI WHY
molten oasis
HE FORFEIT?!?
mighty stump
I mean
bold geode
Holy shit
molten oasis
Pray 
charred saddle
not me
bold geode
Let's fuckin go
molten oasis
It’s fair yea
molten oasis
oh boy pao zama will now be a thing I have to worry about 🫠
mighty stump
I've mentioned Pao Zama is a good combination before Reg G even started 😭
azure ether
does Pao not reduce Zama's def as well?
molten oasis
Ok but I haven’t had to worry about it until now
bold geode
Zamazenta for the win
azure ether
how does that calc for Zama's Body Press?
mighty stump
does Pao not reduce Zama's def as well?
It does, but it doesn't affect the Attack stat
You don't take the modified Def number
azure ether
ooohh TIL
mighty stump
Body Press takes the Def stat and shoves it into Attack, not literally using Def
Hence the SoR modifier doesn't apply to it offensively
molten oasis
well, chi yu just, that’s brutal
mighty stump
Good job Zamazenta
molten oasis
Losing to that sucks
ancient crow
Zamazenta for the win
remember when everyone ignored him?
mighty stump
Yeah when he was actually bad
ancient crow
people going crazy after his glow up
mighty stump
So for good reason
molten oasis
Cuz it got body press which was really good for it
bold geode
Is this technically also Goltres first trophy
molten oasis
And it’s counterpart got nerfed pretty hard without getting anything in return, which was admittedly fair
mighty stump
Oh boy can't wait for the casual players to use this as an example of using non-meta
But so far thats two Michael Zhang's teams
Very respect to him
and Keanu since he contributed
molten oasis
Oh nice
bold geode
Oh boy can't wait for the casual players to use this as an example of using non-...
It's a M Zhang team bro
He's basically turning out to be Asian Boyt
molten oasis
ZAC ON THE BOARD 
dusty gate
atomic mural
ZAC ON THE BOARD <:CalyKiss:1238956662967238756>
They put top 9 just to put zacian on screen 
bold geode
Got same vibe
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Boyt just does it on coke
molten oasis
Bolt at 50% dayum
atomic mural
Flutter 28% LETS GO
bold geode
So Monke whats ur excuse
Also my excuse is I didn't consider any of that team ngl
cyan smelt
feels good to get in before the surge in popularity for zamazenta lol
molten oasis
guys my team is the top 5 and zacian 
bold geode
I don't
I honestly ain't got shit
mighty stump
So now it's a matter of you either suck or you don't
molten oasis
aww man I suck 
bold geode
Wow
Just gotta say it asshole
bold geode
Fr I need this fucking paste bro
molten oasis
And I’m not using any of them
molten oasis
for now cuz that could change depending on how prep this week goes
charred saddle
@ keanu
atomic mural
wait Latios won?
charred saddle
sauce
molten oasis
Latios and goltres won yea
atomic mural
That’s crazy
mighty stump
mighty stump
No one has an excuse and I am all for it
_ You either suck or you don't_
Should type that and pin that in all caps, maximum text size
atomic mural
cyan smelt
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123135299 up to 1300s on my alt
molten oasis
wow so, I can’t make up an excuse
If I do bad with a team it’s either me or it’s actually a team issue
mighty stump
Yep
cyan smelt
goddamn 61.5% gxe with the new team so far
mighty stump
AS I've always been saying
Its either Team Error or Pilot Error or both
But now I literally have the salt to rub in wounds
mighty stump
This won the highest powered format in SV to date and people wanna complain about shit being the same, just get good enough to do so
molten oasis
Which I was honestly not expecting
mighty stump
I still don't get it
Lol
Like I get parts of it
But I don't see how it comes together
molten oasis
The team?
mighty stump
Well yeah
molten oasis
It’s odd but I bet they have their reasons for it
mighty stump
I hope so
molten oasis
well, that gives me hopes for NAIC
cyan smelt
so ig my struggles were just down to it being a team issue
molten oasis
or it’s you
patent marsh
This won the highest powered format in SV to date and people wanna complain abou...
tbh there's more weird shit in this meta compared to last reg 💀 idk what that complaint is meant for
mighty stump
Lol
molten oasis
There is no complaining lol
patent marsh
no as in
mighty stump
tbh there's more weird shit in this meta compared to last reg 💀 idk what that c...
It's a diverse meta just like Reg F people like to complain about usage being the same all the time
patent marsh
his latter statement