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#competitive_discussion
timber falcon
solid frigate
lol
molten oasis
wait lmfao why do you have 30 hours in home
charred saddle
moving boxes of living dex 
and staring at my hardwork
molten oasis
ah
solid frigate
fair point
timber falcon
Wait I’ve seen smth odd
solid frigate
670 Hours in SV
timber falcon
Did they add animations to taking back mons?
cyan smelt
I've got nearly 1000 hours in scarlet
solid frigate
Did they add animations to taking back mons?
yeah i think so
timber falcon
I don’t have it cause of cart
solid frigate
F
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
timber falcon
130 base attack missed KO on flutter is wild though
solid frigate
its Bulky,but the Mixed Attacker Syndrome
timber falcon
Only 1 person I’ve seen actually has a restricted lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
What the fuck is the bulk-
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
pearl wind
oh i love dawn wings
timber falcon
Oh that’s crazy bulk
pearl wind
used it in the first two weeks
solid frigate
i did not notice that because i play Speedy Dawn Wings before,but idk wtf the bulk is it
timber falcon
I had to compare with lunala to make sure, DAYUM
solid frigate
used it in the first two weeks
Eclipse (Necrozma-Dawn-Wings) @ Power Herb
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Expanding Force
- Meteor Beam
- Protect
Wait is this good enough
timber falcon
He,d back by its ability not being as great
charred saddle
why speedy dawn wings when i has 77 base speed
timber falcon
That or the move pool
charred saddle
2k on smashand 50 on home 
timber falcon
Bro get off smash bros ultimate more importantly
foggy lodge
The pokedex descriptions are interesting
pearl wind
Eclipse (Necrozma-Dawn-Wings) @ Power Herb
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
...
i went 0a0s quiet nature with TR > Protect and Dark Tera
solid frigate
why speedy dawn wings when i has 77 base speed
because i am dumb
timber falcon
Tailwind at least?
solid frigate
i went 0a0s quiet nature with TR > Protect and Dark Tera
pearl wind
just make sure you dont rely on eforce too much, dawn wings is pretty nice outside of just eforce spam as well
timber falcon
I think I might lose to multiscale weakness policy dnite
foggy lodge
solid frigate
Ah yes Scremtil
pearl wind
i mean sure run that, i used some silly stuff with g-slowking and chesnaught, indeedee, incin and last slow was always kinda iffy
solid frigate
i mean sure run that, i used some silly stuff with g-slowking and chesnaught, in...
honestly thats silly might work lol
timber falcon
Nvm lunala too bulky
solid frigate
also just saying,I might make this team Semi TR
pearl wind
g-slowking is pretty nice, can set TR, chilly out for weather reset, can even run heal pulse (don't recommend that)
willow vault
also just saying,I might make this team Semi TR
a tailroom team?
solid frigate
a tailroom team?
no
willow vault
oh 😦
solid frigate
a tailroom team?
wait did you even saw the team-
willow vault
nope
charred saddle
just be careful tho, it kinda is heavy on ogerpon. theres a lot of stuff that the ogerpon needs to do
and once u lose it you basically will have a hard time
solid frigate
i see
Just need your Opinion on this team i made
https://pokepast.es/1894fbbd2...
here Creph
willow vault
wait did you even saw the team-
or if I did I don't remember
timber falcon
just be careful tho, it kinda is heavy on ogerpon. theres a lot of stuff that th...
Don’t let win con die t1
willow vault
like 2 of your mons are reliant on trick room, incin is incin so like fair enough but also indeedee kinda messes up your incin
willow vault
and it can mess up the urshifu too but not as badly
willow vault
i see
Just need your Opinion on this team i made
https://pokepast.es/1894fbbd2...
this is the team
solid frigate
like 2 of your mons are reliant on trick room, incin is incin so like fair enoug...
there is a quirk inside this, i don't need to always run Indeedee,
willow vault
How does shifu get messed up
psychich terrain blocks priority so it cant use sucker punch
timber falcon
psychich terrain blocks priority so it cant use sucker punch
True true
willow vault
there is a quirk inside this, i don't need to always run Indeedee,
I know just picking up things that can go wrong from a first glance
solid frigate
fair
charred saddle
yeah no running deedee then u basically lose to any MU, since ur basically no speed control, not much real bulk and generally want a setup
timber falcon
Speed control ain’t always needed, also priority counts as speed control
timber falcon
Sucker punch and Fo without deedee
willow vault
Speed control ain’t always needed, also priority counts as speed control
but priority doesn't work under psychic terrain so speed control is really important with psychich terrain as Indeedee is the best support for the team
solid frigate
ok imma drop incin then
long narwhal
Can anyone tell me Good singles For violet
willow vault
ok imma drop incin then
Chi-Yu? Potential
willow vault
Can anyone tell me Good singles For violet
for ingame
long narwhal
Yea
timber falcon
Chi-yu could work
solid frigate
Chi-Yu? Potential
i mean i made a Specs Chi Yu,so maybe
lemme find it from my Terapagos Team folders
timber falcon
i mean i made a Specs Chi Yu,so maybe
Chi-yu + follow me deedee/pon?
solid frigate
Chi-yu + follow me deedee/pon?
yeah works well
Chi-Yu @ Choice Specs
Level: 50
Ability: Beads of Ruin
EVs: 212 HP / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ghost
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Dark Pulse
- Snarl
- Overheat
This?
willow vault
Can anyone tell me Good singles For violet
probably either a chanel like moxie boosted will post interesting teams for singles or using smogon singles hashtag in twitter could find you stuff
charred saddle
whats the bulk calced for?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
willow vault
I'd assume an Urshifu calc, probably wrong though
charred saddle
and then idk how i feel about specs modest
i think if ur specs u kinda want timid
and again, no speed control.
yes u can follow me, but the one threat u need to watch out are basically just spreads
solid frigate
I'd assume an Urshifu calc, probably wrong though
its not, it just enough to outspeed Adamant Nature
solid frigate
oh dawn mane my bad
Ah yes Lunala+Solgaleo
long narwhal
probably either a chanel like moxie boosted will post interesting teams for sing...
The chanel i could nor find any tesm
willow vault
The chanel i could nor find any tesm
Im not sure then, sorry
long narwhal
When can i find?
willow vault
Ah yes Lunala+Solgaleo
I'm trying to nice and helpful
solid frigate
I'm trying to nice and helpful
fair,and thanks
gentle cragBOT
fair,and thanks
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to crephace
willow vault
When can i find?
Youtube - Moxie Boosted
long narwhal
I tried
willow vault
solid frigate
ok wtf did i put for Chi Yu-
willow vault
They upload both singles and doubles content
willow vault
Or atleast they used too
solid frigate
I'll run Chi Yu
timber falcon
Just found out one of my shiny ghmmighouls were hacked
solid frigate
F
timber falcon
And now I’m scared the other will be too
willow vault
Just found out one of my shiny ghmmighouls were hacked
Damn
timber falcon
Welp, only way to find out is check ig
Yeah they both hacked lul
Guess that’s how the cookie crumbles
solid frigate
Guess that’s how the cookie crumbles
Sad
timber falcon
Indeed, glad I found out now though, in case I used that dengo where I should’ve have
long narwhal
What is a wall breaker?
timber falcon
Smth that can hit bulky mon for good amount of damage
long narwhal
Like what
solid frigate
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Expanding Force vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Terapagos-Stellar on a critical hit: 218-257 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I love this so much lol
solid frigate
Is terapagos better than clidsire?
I mean.... depends the playstyle
long narwhal
Singles btw
ancient crow
how exactly one play those teams where "pokemon X is useless without support from pokemon y"?
solid frigate
And annihilape better than flutter mane
Flutter>Ape
solid frigate
how exactly one play those teams where "pokemon X is useless without support fro...
Mega Zard Y lol
molten oasis
Ape is painfully mid
long narwhal
And gholdengo > flutter?
solid frigate
then idk
ancient crow
Mega Zard Y lol
oh yes
ancient crow
I've been trying to make that fucking reshiram team to work, but it's pain having my restricted relying too much on support from paradox hydreigon, and if both are weak against villains lead I'm cooked
long narwhal
Whats the good urshifu
solid frigate
Whats the good urshifu
both Are good
long narwhal
What is the is the other one i only know rapid strike
molten oasis
Single strike
long narwhal
Whats better
molten oasis
Team dependent but generally rapid strike
solid frigate
tortol
long narwhal
Dragonite goldhengo flutter mane urshifu and chien pao and clodsire is this a good singles team?
molten oasis
Idk I don’t play singles
solid frigate
Dragonite goldhengo flutter mane urshifu and chien pao and clodsire is this a go...
if its doubles,its decent
singles idk
long narwhal
Can someone help me build a team around chien pao and flutter mane ( singles )
solid frigate
forest arrow
long narwhal
What vid?
forest arrow
Any of them. He’s a singles player idk I play vgc. Just trying to help you out
lofty tartan
There are a few here and there, but the majority here play VGC - doubles
south shuttle
The agency shall live on
what does that have to do with blunder
warped mason
traitor
Wait what happened
Pls tell me blunder and joey don't have beef and will continue to do collabs
next stump
watching the EU regional and holy jamie boyt’s team lol
forest arrow
watching the EU regional and holy jamie boyt’s team lol
Bro we were baffled earlier lol
dapper crag
what does that have to do with blunder
he didn't recommend blunder
forest arrow
Gotta respect him tho, his teambuilding is out there but pretty impressive
solid frigate
forest arrow
he didn't recommend blunder
I play VGC. I barely know who Joey is lmao.
solid frigate
3rd Rental Constructing
This time,Dawn Wings Necrozma
solid frigate
Literally the only person I do know of that plays singles. My bad
sad
forest arrow
Just not interested in the unofficial format
dapper crag
Literally the only person I do know of that plays singles. My bad
was a joke lol
solid frigate
cyan smelt
Terapagoat
solid frigate
yes
solid frigate
this team is feeling pretty good to pilot
which one?
cyan smelt
torn, zama, flutter, regidrago, rilla and rotom-w
solid frigate
torn, zama, flutter, regidrago, rilla and rotom-w
very noice
craggy dagger
mmm?
solid frigate
hmmmmmm
long narwhal
https://pokepast.es/f0a8146549d0cdb1 what should be my last mon (singles)
shadow wind
This is a singles team?
Looks like a doubles team without protect.
From my limited knowledge I would say you need a wall.
Something like Ting Lu.
cyan smelt
Basically all I know about EVs ATM is that Smogon default spreads suck lol
cyan smelt
So I need to make regidrago bulkier
shadow wind
Cause sometimes they don’t line up well.
long narwhal
Anything else thats not ting lu
cyan smelt
Garganacl is a solid wall but idk if it's still good in singles
shadow wind
It eat hit.
cyan smelt
Something that can take a lot of damage
long narwhal
Oh ok
shadow wind
Usually disturbs the other team.
long narwhal
Lol
long narwhal
I thiugh i needed a hazard like clidsire
shadow wind
Maybe I know more about singles than I thought.
long narwhal
And maybe a dragonite instesd of one of those mons
Is that a good idea or do i keep ting lu?
shadow wind
Ting Lu good.
Ribombee also could be good.
Sticky web messes with people a lot.
And I don’t think urshifu is amazing in singles.
long narwhal
What should i put instead of him
shadow wind
Unseen fist has almost 0 use.
long narwhal
Many ppl said thst
cyan smelt
I wish gholdengo was around more in reg g
long narwhal
For me?
shadow wind
Because you have Miraidon you could run Iron Crown.
Calm mind stored power.
It goes dummy.
long narwhal
Iron crown is an item?
shadow wind
Nah, it’s a Pokémon.
shadow wind
Nope.
cyan smelt
No it's scarlet exclusive
shadow wind
Gotta trade for it.
long narwhal
And bl ursaluna?
shadow wind
That’s just a DLC Mon.
cyan smelt
It's a quest in kitakami
shadow wind
Similar to Iron Crown.
Also I’m not sure if Pao is amazing in singles.
Could use an unburden Pokémon with electric seed too.
Like Sceptile.
long narwhal
Is there any other mon i can use instead of bl ursaluna bc i do t have the dlc
This is the team btw
Nvm
Ignore that
shadow wind
Not Altaria specifically but this site shows a bunch of stuff.
Like common singles mons.
cyan smelt
Based zamazenta
solid frigate
Tortol
cyan smelt
Zamazenta and terapagos based
solid frigate
TORTOL GO BRRR
cyan smelt
Tortol is good
warped mason
I wonder how terapogos is gonna age since it won't have tera in future games
cyan smelt
Maybe it won't be in gen 10
warped mason
Its what makes me not want to build it tbh
solid frigate
I wonder how terapogos is gonna age since it won't have tera in future games
eh i just treasure his glory in Gen 9
cyan smelt
I still miss yveltal but not xerneas
warped mason
Yea i get it. Its just it being potential 10x worse in future gens doesn't feel great to me.
solid frigate
I still miss yveltal but not xerneas
yeah if Aura Trio is here,I just use Xerneas
warped mason
Same with ogerpon, but ogerpon hurts less because its not restricted and its not as reliant on tera.
molten oasis
cyan smelt
Imagine dark aura boosted kowtow cleave from kingambit
solid frigate
Imagine dark aura boosted kowtow cleave from kingambit
Farigiraf:Fucking Dies
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
cyan smelt
Most things would die
gilded delta
Should I spend my time EV/IV training in BDSP or is it easier in others?
cyan smelt
Dark aura boosted snarls and foul plays though
solid frigate
But like raging bolt levels of bulk
we do appriciate Bolt Bulk
molten oasis
1 speed lower than chi yu probably hurts it more than helps
cyan smelt
Plus it has oblivion wing for healing
molten oasis
Yea
solid frigate
Plus it has oblivion wing for healing
i love how its a flying type move lol
i thought is a dark type move before
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
cyan smelt
I can see why they didn't include the aura trio though because with tera they'd be too broken
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
I can see why they didn't include the aura trio though because with tera they'd ...
yeah
solid frigate
Terapagos:I need this.
Me:just throw Rock Polish and Calm Minf into one
cyan smelt
Imagine simple beam + geomancy
forest arrow
I’d probably be using it lmao.
solid frigate
imagine geomancy + tera <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
don't give me funni Ideas
forest arrow
Clear smog amoongus on every team
solid frigate
Clear smog amoongus on every team
yep
charred saddle
haze in everyteam
solid frigate
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Moonblast vs. 244 HP / 84 SpD Amoonguss: 171-202 (77.7 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
welp-
charred saddle
dont run tera fairy ofc
solid frigate
Tera Fire?
charred saddle
run other tera, be more annoying
forest arrow
Is it straight fairy type?
forest arrow
I played Y I don’t really remember gen 6 all that much
charred saddle
i saw back in swsh some runs physical then cybertron said something like interesting or like thats cool
so i assumed its more a special movepool
forest arrow
and I was a casual player at that time frame lol
forest arrow
yeah, I just heard Geomancy was op and since we were in the topic I had to finally know why lol
solid frigate
252+ SpA Tera Fire Xerneas Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 244 HP / 84 SpD Amoonguss: 164-194 (74.5 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
polar canyon
tbh dondozo is just geomancing no? <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
And without a setup turn
forest arrow
Play rough only stab physical so I guess I can see why you’d rather special
next stump
Koraidon just won its first regional, Puerto Rico
charred saddle
oh damn
next stump
Terapagos also won the Bogota regional a couple hours ago
polar canyon
Tbh dondozo doesn't have 130 spatk stab moonblast with a 1.3x boost ability
forest arrow
really? What was top cut?
charred saddle
is it just straight CA koraidon?
charred saddle
fuck its 9 am
bye
solid frigate
TURTLE MY BOI
forest arrow
That’s not a surprise the turtle has had good showings
Kiraidon is on fraud watch so that’s what I’m interested in lol
solid frigate
yep turtle won
next stump
i think the sheets will be shared soon-ish
charred saddle
pog
forest arrow
charred saddle
is it CA 3 move protect or setup?
im interested in koraidon
btw just a question, can we like make a ranked team with the ride koraidon?
cyan smelt
yes you have to change it to battle form though
forest arrow
You can put the bike one in pc?
next stump
flame charge over swords dance
charred saddle
next stump
so 2 fire moves, collision, and protect with CA
charred saddle
flame charge korai? holy fuck
next stump
also walking wake on the team so that may be it’s first regional win as well, not sure
charred saddle
what the fuck? it KOs flutter? damn
forest arrow
I honestly think it does respectable damage
charred saddle
oh interesting
forest arrow
Yeah I think I saw a calc
solid frigate
the koraidon that won was just clear amulet
wait which Terapagos set
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
did it win
forest arrow
It was def Tera’d tho into fire
charred saddle
ah was about to ask does tera fire needed
forest arrow
So Stab plus Sun
charred saddle
ye ye that makes sense then
forest arrow
I think so
polar canyon
Rapid strike really getting ohkod by water spout man I need a better spread
next stump
specs terapagos
forest arrow
Sleep talk, hyper beam, starstorm?
next stump
i believe so
forest arrow
Nice
polar canyon
That does sound pretty crazy
Do you like self spore or do you rely on the opponent to spore it with that
Or is it a last resort
atomic mural
first calyrex ice reset and i get max speed iv
polar canyon
I think I played enough silly legends
I'm gonna go and actually use a good one
I think I'll try zacian
It's not like god tier anymore but still pretty good
next stump
i think specs is just the strongest especially in the early meta
soooo much offense right away
2 hit KOing everything
forest arrow
It's not like god tier anymore but still pretty good
Yeah it’s still good, just needs to be explored more
polar canyon
I wanna use howl scream tail
forest arrow
Zama is the better one tho rn
polar canyon
I bet that's decent with zacian
solid frigate
2 hit KOing everything
damn....
i just keep using CACM
CACM actually is better for Me
polar canyon
I bet that's decent with zacian
Actually what am I thinking
I should use scream tail + koraidon
atomic mural
NAH 3RD RESET WAS A 3
polar canyon
You can probably get better
atomic mural
ik
forest arrow
Dang so close
polar canyon
Keep trying
Are you like using a mon with exact speed to see if it underspeeds
Catching it every time sounds like a pain if you want it in a specific ball
Or not a master ball
atomic mural
I put the calyrexs level in showdown and just adjust the speed iv until it compares
polar canyon
Do you catch it every reset?
polar canyon
When I need a 0 speed paradox or legend I just use a pokemon with exactly 1 more speed than 0 speed should be
It does leave margin of error for not catching a 0 speed with +speed nature one
Or catching a -speed nature non 0 speed one
But does speed up the process a lot
polar canyon
So if you use a pokemon with 86 speed you'll only miss out if it's plus nature
And if it's neutral it's either a speed tie which is slow enough or it's a 0 speed
atomic mural
no I catch it and check the speed stat
polar canyon
Master ball?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
fan made stats fr
polar canyon
Well if you do ever need a legendary without a master ball keep that in mind
atomic mural
Well if you do ever need a legendary without a master ball keep that in mind
eh idc
foggy lodge
Using something that it's just 1 point faster than Caly-Ice 0 speed iv
polar canyon
That's how I got my only 0 speed hands
polar canyon
Using something that it's just 1 point faster than Caly-Ice 0 speed iv
That's what I said
But it does have a margin of error
You may reset on a 0 speed one with a plus speed nature
And you'll get non 0 speed ones with a minus speed nature
next stump
that’s what I did to get mine a few weeks ago, it took about an hour so not too bad
lofty tartan
Yeah Caly farming hasn't seemed too terrible so far.
next stump
but honestly the meta is shifting towards faster caly-I so kindaaaa rough to have grinded that out
lofty tartan
How's it hanging, Dillon?
next stump
i’m good 🙂 how are you?
lofty tartan
Doing okay. Just catching up on some Stockholm coverage
Still playing Miraidon
You still on Caly-I?
polar canyon
What's the usage of focus blast or tera fighting on caly shadow?
next stump
honestly… I don’t know
lofty tartan
Having doubts?
polar canyon
I wanna do koraidon now
With howl scream tail support
That sounds pretty cool to me
next stump
I played a few days after Indy and the meta felt like it was shifting very hard to cover for Caly-I
but I do think it’s strong still, I gotta feel it out for L.A. in a few weeks
lofty tartan
I get you.
next stump
Caly-I with Raging Bolt might be the move, and then running max speed incin for the mirror
I really like Leonard Craft’s team with Uproar Farigarif
lofty tartan
I still think it has strengths. Honestly I sorta called wrong and threw against a Caly-I team that I expected to bring TR and brought Tailwind
next stump
LOL
lofty tartan
That was a wild match.
I usually play in late hours so I'm always going against the Asian community and you see some whacky stuff.
lofty tartan
I really like Leonard Craft’s team with Uproar Farigarif
Where was this? Uproar is surprising
next stump
lemme find the video and paste
lofty tartan
I've been using the giraffe boy a lot and this is the first time I've heard of success w/ Uproar
polar canyon
What speed would you guys wanna hit with scarf koraidon?
lofty tartan
So that's nuts
next stump
the basic theory of the team is that tera fire caly with uproar support is both immune to spore and wisp, which means it beats balance cores
and you have max speed jolly incin for the mirror and also for stuff like terapagos
polar canyon
What speed would you guys wanna hit with scarf koraidon?
I don't want it to be faster than scream tail so it can get howl boosted moves
lofty tartan
Oh wow I didn't realize that it prevents your partner from sleeping. 😮
Interesting tech.
lofty tartan
I've been playing a pretty fast Incin lately so I believe the hype there
forest arrow
I’m pretty sure it wakes sleeping mons as well right?
solid frigate
wait wot
lofty tartan
That's neat though.
cyan smelt
What's to stop people from sporing farig
solid frigate
don't tell Drago about no Dengo lol
lofty tartan
I felt like the meta was adapting to stress Caly-I more too - I was struggling some with the team in the latter half of testing
craggy dagger
polar canyon
Hi
lofty tartan
It's why I started playing a team similar to Rajan's, but not quite there. It's been good
next stump
raging bolt is INCREDIBLE in the mirror
lofty tartan
Oh for sure
forest arrow
I’ve been loving bolt
next stump
the only pokemon that remotely threatens it is Caly-I, but that’s why you have stuff like turbo incin
solid frigate
It's why I started playing a team similar to Rajan's, but not quite there. It's...
i just switched His Incin with Flutter Mane and His Ogerpon with Wellspring
lofty tartan
Right
lofty tartan
i just switched His Incin with Flutter Mane and His Ogerpon with Wellspring
I dumped Ogerpon entirely
polar canyon
Caly I is so bulky sometimes I still doubt that a +1 stab se move is gonna ohko
solid frigate
thats basically me when i use Terapagos
lofty tartan
I haven't missed Ogerpon, to tell you the truth. Team has felt great.
polar canyon
Terapagos you just can't realistically ohko so it's different
solid frigate
Terapagos you just can't realistically ohko so it's different
yeah which is sad but its understandable
lofty tartan
Now that I'm getting my anxiety under control, things have all been coming up milhouse
molten oasis
I dumped Ogerpon entirely
Cornerstone looked weird on the team tbh
lofty tartan
I like Cornerstone. It's great.
solid frigate
Terapagos you just can't realistically ohko so it's different
132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 70-84 (33.8 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
lofty tartan
But I dunno.
polar canyon
I wonder if I'll get to the point where I'll actually go to like regionals and stuff
molten oasis
On THAT team idk
lofty tartan
Team's been fantastic as-is
solid frigate
+1 132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 106-126 (51.2 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
Ogerpon is also the most droppable spot
polar canyon
I wonder if I'll get to the point where I'll actually go to like regionals and s...
I need to have the budget for that before even thinking about that
lofty tartan
100%
molten oasis
Everything else feels really important
lofty tartan
BM Ursa feels critical
molten oasis
Whims feels crucial
forest arrow
Freddy Fast Bear goes hard
lofty tartan
I believe in fast bear.
solid frigate
+2 132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 141-166 (68.1 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
damn my Terapagos is weak-
lofty tartan
Yeah Ogerpon was definitely sitting in the flex spot
polar canyon
Freddy Fast Bear goes hard
I've always been a believer
molten oasis
Ogerpon seems to be the flex spot on a lot of teams tbh
polar canyon
+2 132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 14...
Check non tera
lofty tartan
It's flexible
molten oasis
Lol
solid frigate
Check non tera
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 84-100 (41.5 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
solid frigate
Check non tera
this is non tera
polar canyon
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 84-1...
That's not quite right
forest arrow
I’m pretty sure someone had a pretty similar Mirai teams as yours at the regional
solid frigate
That's not quite right
have you see how bulky my turtle is-
forest arrow
It might’ve day 2’d, there’s 4 in the day 2
solid frigate
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 84-100 (31.4 - 37.4%) -- 86.1% chance to 3HKO
polar canyon
have you see how bulky my turtle is-
I mean check how much base form starstorm does at +1
lofty tartan
Yeah I'm not surprised to see a medium amount of Mirai. It's popular but not super-easy to pilot, and people are starting to pack hate for it.
forest arrow
Yeah Zama is leading the crowd
solid frigate
I mean check how much base form starstorm does at +1
+1 132+ SpA Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 74-88 (35.7 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 106-126 (51.2 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
balmy glen
Yeah Zama is leading the crowd
I’m the goat
polar canyon
Seems especially hard to pilot against rilla because when I have rilla in low ladder the mu is free
solid frigate
I’m the goat
yooooooo
forest arrow
I’m the goat
lol that was team was something else, was fun to watch you on stream! ❤️
solid frigate
the GOAT OF ZAMA
craggy dagger
ooo encore trap?
polar canyon
Just fast howl
forest arrow
Encore is good too
craggy dagger
wait scream tail gets howl i forgor
polar canyon
Gouging fire doesn't have encore or twave or a lot of other utility moves
balmy glen
lol that was team was something else, was fun to watch you on stream! ❤️
Most fun team I’ve ever used
Zama on top fr
polar canyon
Since I want kingambit I don't think I'm locked into ca for korai
forest arrow
I saw Latios and was like huh? But that’s so cool!
craggy dagger
latios wah-?
solid frigate
Most fun team I’ve ever used
The GOAT of Zamazenta player fr
polar canyon
I'm thinking about scarf on koraidon but idk what speeds I'll want for it and scream tail then
Because I want howl to go first
craggy dagger
Most fun team I’ve ever used
oh you were on stream :0
forest arrow
Last week haha
craggy dagger
owh-
still thats cool
polar canyon
I should've watched it
forest arrow
Yeah for sure haha it was a cool set :3
forest arrow
They both day 2’d?
next stump
side note but how insane is it that 8 6-3 record players made day 2
those regionals gotta be small AF
solid frigate
Im hoping my team wins Stockholm
may the Zamazenta Players be in Good results!
craggy dagger
those regionals gotta be small AF
prolly since its in a more quiet place
forest arrow
Only 26 in day 2? That’s so small
craggy dagger
rather than the hustle bustle NA regionals
forest arrow
I don’t think it day 2’d Drago
polar canyon
I think I'm gonna look for premier challenges in town to see if there's anything pretty small I can try
That would be fun
cyan smelt
I want to try and attend Brisbane regional next year, even if I lose every game it'll be good experience
molten oasis
Lame
polar canyon
I think I'm gonna look for premier challenges in town to see if there's anything...
If I do I won't be using sillier stuff like dusk mane that I've been trying to make work
polar canyon
How many incineroars
molten oasis
Ah, how fun…
balmy glen
side note but how insane is it that 8 6-3 record players made day 2
Bro what
bold geode
I hope we see Zac
next stump
yeah it’s crazy
molten oasis
Lol
next stump
you need 32 players for day 2 to work
next stump
and only 24 players went X-2 or better
forest arrow
Dang
next stump
meanwhile our day 2’s have like 60-80 players
bold geode
I don't know if this one was as big as other events though in EU?
molten oasis
Interesting, lost some interest cuz that Zac player on stream just, isn’t there anymore
balmy glen
That’s actually crazy
molten oasis
As it’s, literally the only restricted that’s fun to me
bold geode
As it’s, literally the only restricted that’s fun to me
Join the other side brother
polar canyon
Interesting, lost some interest cuz that Zac player on stream just, isn’t there ...
Are other legendaries just not fun to watch?
molten oasis
No
forest arrow
lol
molten oasis
It’s lots of specs shit
polar canyon
Specs zamazenta goes hard fr
next stump
286 players total for the masters division
molten oasis
I don’t find it that fun to watch to see choice items do choice item things personally
polar canyon
Tbh idbp isn't really that fun either
next stump
molten oasis
It’s not
polar canyon
You can still watch caly i do caly i things
molten oasis
I like mons that reward positioning a lot, which rn zacian does well
polar canyon
Like getting knocked off
molten oasis
Like yes everything rewards positioning
cyan smelt
Have you tried howl next to zacian
molten oasis
But I just like positional dependent teams, not teams that just kinda click buttons (on paper)
molten oasis
Have you tried howl next to zacian
It’s not good
polar canyon
A couple minutes ago I was thinking about that
molten oasis
Idt gouging fire is very good
polar canyon
I want to use howl scream tail but the automatic easiest option is koraidon for that
cyan smelt
Try scream tail then
forest arrow
Their going scream tail
molten oasis
Oh, well
polar canyon
Do it do it do it
molten oasis
Uh
polar canyon
I'll do scarf koraidon that underspeeds howl
molten oasis
…
polar canyon
I'm just trying to consider what speeds to run
cyan smelt
Provides more utility than gouging fire
molten oasis
I run Regidrago with it rn I don’t want a howl dependent team
polar canyon
It's not just because it's there that it's dependent
It also has fake tears
That could be fun
molten oasis
Is it something worth bringing to NAIC
polar canyon
It's worth testing rn so we can know
And you can't know for sure until you try it right?
Cmon
solid frigate
hmmmmm
cyan smelt
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
molten oasis
solid frigate
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/0a6d1e5c74a63865
Here's something I'm thinking about
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/337d22147edce729
wait thats half Galar team lol
molten oasis
idk how I feel about this
polar canyon
Only enough speed on screamer to outspeed koraidon that outspeeds jolly max scarf shifu
I think that's a fine amount
I prefer dark on tail because it's not only prankster taunt immune but covers calyrex
Shadow
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/0a6d1e5c74a63865
Here's something I'm thinking about
Any feelings about this?
polar canyon
I'm thinking about those fake tears
Do you like 100% need it
I like having more utility on scream tail
Not only there for move boosting
It gets encore, twave, and some others
That's why I don't have protect on it
And I try to pick either tears or howl
But I'm not like a scream tail expert
It's just what I prefer
solid frigate
ok that one No actually is funny for some reason
polar canyon
Only most of them
molten oasis
Which is odd
polar canyon
Like 70% of them
polar canyon
But 30% is still a sizeable portion
Psychic fangs also gives a bit of utility over screens teams while being boosted by howl
I've had +2 scream tail clutch endgame 1v1s
molten oasis
Thing is
Incin felt the weakest but it still felt important
Sometimes
I know for sure I’m keeping ogerpon drago and Zac
So the other 3 spots can be experimented on
I brought those 3 to every game
polar canyon
I think it's because I used a mostly more meh set of mons when using it but st felt very important
Idk if I call it scream or tail so it's st now
molten oasis
Lol
polar canyon
Both sound weird and scream tail is too long
molten oasis
Idk, I can mess with howl
polar canyon
Not calling it by it's full name
cyan smelt
How about rockpon for dealing with incin and caly?
polar canyon
People usually wouldn't fake out st on closed team sheet and I'd get a free howl + protect
But that's not what you're going for
molten oasis
I play OTS
polar canyon
It doesn't look very threatening next to a necrozma or an urshifu ig
molten oasis
Plan to at least
It’s also fairly easy to ignore a howl boosting scream tail
A bit worried about “all my friends are dead” syndrome
polar canyon
That's why I'll take psychic fangs over gleam or psychic any day
It boosts itself which is also easy to ignore
solid frigate
That's why I'll take psychic fangs over gleam or psychic any day
its just one of the better physical psychic move
polar canyon
It doesn't hit very hard but its good chip when needed
polar canyon
It does have the same base stat for both offenses anyways
I forgot I also wanted advice on my own scream tail team
molten oasis
I have pr I didn’t think about it
polar canyon
https://pokepast.es/0a6d1e5c74a63865
Here it is if anyone wants to see
Most of it isn't ready
Obviously
But the speed on koraidon is for scarf shifu
molten oasis
I’ll play like, 10 games with it and see how it feels
polar canyon
Not that it's threatened by it but idk what else to calc it for
molten oasis
I’m also gonna ask about other 6ths for members since incin felt the weakest
So, we’ll see
polar canyon
I think someone here mentioned stellar pelipper
If you're gonna use tera water to pick up kos might as well
To get the booster hurricane
I'd say I prefer grass but it never really mattered for me
I usually just won't bring it if I see miraidon
foggy lodge
I use Pelipper with ter ghost
Because of fake out, so i can set tailwind more easily
molten oasis
I Tera stellar
foggy lodge
And also because wideguard has the same priority as fake out
Defensively i don't care because my Pelipper is sash and even with a defensive tera it still get 2HK0'd by almost everything lol
polar canyon
I thought it was one more
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
polar canyon
Same as protect right?
Oh wait fake out is also 3
One time I saw something about a speed investment on a follow me user to go before fake out or something
But I think I'm remembering wrong and it was espeed
And fake out being 3 prio has been on my mind ever since
cyan smelt
Is pelipper same speed as incin so wide guard goes first
Oh pelipper is faster than incin
solid frigate
Same as protect right?
you can spam it tho
forest arrow
I use stellar peli
But I also run protect to avoid fake outs or double ups
no Tailwind
solid frigate
I use stellar peli
lol thats adding salt into my would if you use Stellar Pelipper against my Terapagos
forest arrow
How come? Lol
solid frigate
How come? Lol
My only attacking move that can hit Pelipper is Starstorm lol
AND THATA HAPPENED BEFORE
cyan smelt
So don't tera in front of it and use single target starstorm
forest arrow
Is stellar neutral to stellar or something?
forest arrow
They didn’t stellar Tera tho
atomic mural
bruh i got a 2 speed iv
solid frigate
They didn’t stellar Tera tho
at least thats not a salt to the wound but LOOK AT THE STATS
atomic mural
ok so you can be 1 or 0 i just learned
mighty stump
Oh pelipper is faster than incin
If Sash, assume Modest, if running Jolly Incin
mighty stump
Is stellar neutral to stellar or something?
its SE
forest arrow
its SE
Okay so his point made no sense I was like huh? What does that have to do with anything lol
atomic mural
it might be for the taunt incineroars
just to outspeed certain support mons but its just a guess
polar canyon
So it's to speed tie other incins and stop parting shot and wisp?
Man what changed when I left
Now fast incin and max max sash pelipper are the big thing
Did they win some regional lately
mighty stump
Fast Incin just lets you wisp/parting before opposing Pelipper
and generally beats speed ties since no one really runs turbo incin
fluid fiber
This team has been doing insanely well https://pokepast.es/f6d65e6940670f08
On Bo3 ladder ^
mighty stump
Wasted EVs on Zama, what elo/GXE?
fluid fiber
Wasted EVs on Zama, what elo/GXE?
low 2000s rn and still climbing, wanted a fresh start. Not sure what a good spread on Zama is tbh
fluid fiber
low 2000s rn and still climbing, wanted a fresh start. Not sure what a good spre...
1800* Not 2000s yet
But into a lot of restricteds it has pretty solid MUs
torpid venture
Cinderace set
strange fjord
1800* Not 2000s yet
bruh nobody at 1800 on the bo3 ladder
fluid fiber
bruh nobody at 1800 on the bo3 ladder
This is what i get for going off of memory 
I'll post my actual number when I'm home lmao
It's probably way lower 
strange fjord
top 10? the Marushiru prob an alt for Maruchaan who posted the team
cyan smelt
wonder where gloom guy is
strange fjord
lets check bo1 ladder lol
fluid fiber
top 10? the Marushiru prob an alt for Maruchaan who posted the team
LMAO that was not the correct number
It's still in very low ranks lmao I forgot how showdown's numbering system works
And didn't have the ability to check 💀 \
Starts at 1000? Probably like 1100-1200 then but again have to actually look
strange fjord
ps starts at 1000
strange fjord
wonder where gloom guy is
found him
cyan smelt
that's cracked
strange fjord
here bro was claiming he was around 1800s
one day you'll be 1800s if you play well enough
i believe
molten oasis
fluid fiber
I forgot how high that was and thought it was low I'm lowkey so embarrassed 
I did hit top 8000 the other day on actual SV ladder but then fell out back into the 12000 range
That's more or less where I rest atm
strange fjord
been trying to rng a shiny 0 iv speed rhydon with a mark to finally go on battle stadium with it. havent found one yet
not doing ladder until i get one
on sv that is
fluid fiber
That's super fair. I'm hunting some new members rn
Finished out my first team (Terapagos, Ogerpon, Clefairy, Sableye, Incin, Rilla)
cyan smelt
I should keep testing my new team
strange fjord
what do you have on the team so far?
cyan smelt
Zamazenta, rotom-w, torn, flutter, rilla, regidrago
strange fjord
rotom? havent seen that in a long while
molten oasis
Who knows
strange fjord
Are we talking SD ladder or what
sd ladder but bro though 1800 was 1100/1200 by mistake. might have mixed up elo with glicko/battle stadium stuff
true niche
is zamezenta the best restricted legendary now?
mighty stump
Most used Restricted at Stockholm
timber falcon
An ok so usage wise, did it win?
mighty stump
…in Stockholm?
timber falcon
Mhm
cyan smelt
Isn't day 2 today
cyan smelt
So far my gxe with this new team is 58.5%
balmy glen
im crying
timber falcon
So far my gxe with this new team is 58.5%
Which restricted?
cyan smelt
zamazenta
timber falcon
Do u have a paste? I’m just curious to see
autumn vault
cyan smelt
https://pokepast.es/b7871ece362c39c8 @timber falcon
timber falcon
Booster flutter with no protect?
cyan smelt
oh it's meant to be goggles
cyan smelt
it's tofu's so i need to figure out why no protect
timber falcon
oh the one from the groudon team
cyan smelt
yep
molten oasis
Y’all can let me know how Stockholm goes until finals or smth
Not as interested since I’m on the highest amount of copium with Zac
cyan smelt
zama finally getting a chance to shine
molten oasis
Could imagine like, 3 full gas tanks
Just right there, and I’m constantly inhaling it
(I also don’t think zacian is bad there’s just better mons in the format and I don’t like them, so oh well)
cyan smelt
but weren't you doing well with zac/drago on cart?
molten oasis
Yes but
timber falcon
but?
molten oasis
Reality is, I should be running the meta, I should be playing zama or Mirai or caly ice
Especially noting I’m playing in NAIC, and don’t get me wrong I love off picks
It’s my favorite thing to do
cyan smelt
what's the point though if you don't like using them, vgc is supposed to be fun and if it's not fun for you
molten oasis
I don’t have the winning is fun mentality
I have the playing with certain mons is fun mentality
Which is more of a weakness
Well it also comes down to just not feeling very supported
Which is something I have always struggled with tbh
I feel that I’m just kinda shoved off sometimes, or that my ideas aren’t really worth the time
Which is really just mental issues and I’ve always had these mental issues with any game I play
Shit I’m kinda trauma dumping, I’ll stop sorry
cyan smelt
No worries but like I said there's no point if you don't like using the meta haha
No point forcing yourself to play stuff you don't like
molten oasis
Just really comes down to limiting how much help I can get and how well I can do
However if a goltres and latios can get top 8, I think zacian can do some work
cyan smelt
If gloom can get to 1661 then I'm sure zacian can
molten oasis
yea, just, gotta work on the team, and work harder
If I believe something can work I do pursue it
cyan smelt
Just try not to get discouraged by setbacks, that's what I struggle with a lot
molten oasis
Prima gapdos got me a 5th in a tournament
I’ve taken sets off of tofu with that team
If I can manage that I can likely manage with Zac
cyan smelt
Why don't you bring back gapdos, it learns tailwind and coaching
molten oasis
In fact I hit 1500 with Zac earlier on in the reg
molten oasis
Why don't you bring back gapdos, it learns tailwind and coaching
It’s hard to use with zacian rn
Although it’s not a bad idea
I think gapdos can still do some work and zacian covers it’s worse mu’s, oh
Wait, that’s, I’ll keep that in mind
cyan smelt
I always see caly I paired with a strong fighting type so surely that can work with zacian
molten oasis
hmm
cyan smelt
Basically you've got mienshao, gapdos and annihilape to choose from
molten oasis
cyan smelt
You'll need some speed control
timber falcon
flare blitz and wisp?
cyan smelt
You're very weak to miraidon
molten oasis
yeaaaaa, uhhhh
Yea idk about this lol
Yea this team https://pokepast.es/86c8bc507341a525 cant exactly just change into something with Zac
We’d drop Prima
idk
molten oasis
they said gapdos nice for Zac cuz defiant fighting type cuz incin, ehhh
molten oasis
Ghost Tera?
mighty stump
Probably
molten oasis
And then tw or Bb?
Ig that’s more up to the remainder of the team cuz rn I have Zac and that in mind
mighty stump
Brave Bird to OHKO yourself post Sash break for free switch
Im like kinda meh ablut Coaching lol
At most youre just neutralising Intim
molten oasis
Same I just, incin can easily hard switch and then op coaching boost gone
molten oasis
mm
molten oasis
yea, that’s the plan
Atm at least, incins proving annoying, understandably
mm, just, I’ll keep gapdos in mind but idt it’s the right call
drago/Zac has had the most success so far
we’ll see…
cyan smelt
You need to somehow answer miraidon
molten oasis
See here’s the thing
https://pokepast.es/83ef65096b74c948 this team handles Mirai ok
emphasis on ok
That one Mirai team is difficult to break with the constant pivoting
mighty stump
Amoonguss and you just outspeed
molten oasis
ik zac is my whole line for it
cyan smelt
Doesn't that team usually run whimsicott for speed control
molten oasis
than and I’m still more fond of wellspring although I haven’t gone and tried amoonguss much
although ik wellspring is easily the most replaceable option
To throw it out there Zac drago wellspring has felt good
I bring those 3 to pretty much every game
Or most
I can try amoonguss, god idk why I’m so lost
cyan smelt
Amoonguss isn't neutral to electric like ogerpon w
mighty stump
Amoonguss has proven to be very good at dealing with Miraidon for a couple of turns, while Rillaboom takes away 1.8~ multipliers from Miraidon through Terrain overwrite
molten oasis
Amoonguss has proven to be very good at dealing with Miraidon for a couple of tu...
so, amoonguss and rilla?
So drago Zac amoonguss rilla peli, uhh
cyan smelt
Urshifu?
molten oasis
Incin, I have 2 offensive mons with incin
found steel types to be, very, very annoying while playing the team
mighty stump
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Electric Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 116 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss in Electric Terrain: 89-105 (43.6 - 51.4%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO
molten oasis
oh, damn
mighty stump
dump in def
mighty stump
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Electric Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 189-223 (85.5 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
To live Draco is max max
molten oasis
yeesh
mighty stump
But they cant really ever click Draco in front of Zacian
molten oasis
No
mighty stump
If you can tempo hard enough