#competitive_discussion
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Pretty sure they gave up and TR is just a TM for Indeedee now
Can someone help me fix my team? Dm me
welp,time to ask someone to trade this-
beat swsh dlc ez
i skipped Gen 8 lol
oh that explains the no calys ig
plus i have a friend who has so many Kubfus
yeah tru
apparently some doode had fine results with this team
still having a hard time wrapping my head around it
Can someone help me fix my team? Dm me
Haven’t actually seen it in sv very nice
wait, can Meteor Beam EF Moongeist Lunala ok
Probs some very nice piloting
I see the idea behind it
still hate myself over not been playing on the time of this event
Is it the global?
the eclipse one?
The team
Event?
I just grinded dynamax adventures
yep
the event one, apparently they distributed the alola trio shiny?
I didn’t own a ds so I wouldn’t know
Oh and it’s a code one
Is there something that can replace kingambit?
Depends on what gambit does
and why would you want to replace it?
Idk hes ugly
Bruh
I dont like using ugly mons
I also m, but my parents didn't replace me
(as far as I know)
Lol
ow, sorry
It apparently tries to crit a lot
m I supposed to use dragon cheer twice?
Wait did I say it wrong?
Its bc i rlly want to use skeledirge but idk if he can replace drgonite or kingambit
i think
Dawn Wings,Indeedee,BM Ursa,Ogerpon Water,Urshifu Dark,Incineroar?
Just once
Why Incin? Ik pon is for redirection
But wouldn’t moongus be better for tr
AV inci can also check some things that kingambit normally would
it kinda makes sense
true
They do very separate things
my Terapagos Team Incin is AV Incin,I can bring it here
can you just show us the team-
Ik
I see, the man who made this team must love gambling
It kinda relies a bit on luck
(specially with reshiram running moves that miss a lot)
I’m pretty sure dragon cheer lasts untill they swap out
Mhm I wouldn’t be surprised if many misses were made
Its garchomp, annihilape goldengo, dragoniye volcarona kingambit i want to add skele
Whimsicott is meta again wujuu
Torn still gaps
what is this for…?
yep this team is gonna die in Reg G
meh
A competitive team with no “ugly” mons
WHIMSICOTT OUR HOMIE
What is reg G
Lacey's alt account apparently
isn't like 90% of the Viable Mons are Ugly-
PFFT
Incineroar is not ugly
I legit laugh my ass off
furry^
The vgc format that allows 1 restricted legendary and mons from home
The only "ugly" pokemon from by example the 12 pokemon is Amoonguss imo
not many mons are indeed ugly, some just try to be cool and edgy
Amoonguss is fine i think
But i think it's design wants to he ugly so yeah it's a good design
Do you guys know something abt cobblemon? Its pixelmon but either better models
was my first thought
No idea what cobblemon is
dude I love Lacey but at least her team actually is good
Is Lacey a regular here? 

I was indeed surprised on how good her team was
(I also got rejected by her after the battle : c)
she beats half of my team
(Greninja-Ash,Garchomp,Iron Valiant,Talonflame,Vikavolt,Zoroark Hisui)
And my team is ferrathorn garchomp volcarona arceus annihilape and skele should i change something? I am bad at teambuilding
Ultra necrozma is so busted
Arceus huh
its not in SV
god I miss it
ok its not a Reg G or VGC Team
Probs link battle
light that burns the sky was a cool move
How do you even transform in scarlet and violet
u can't
It’s signature move is too good
Sadly it’s no longer available since switch
“Light That Burns the Sky” is so sick
Whats the better game in guys guys opinion violet or scarlet
Scarlet
They should make gen 10 nat dex
Same but my brother wanted violet
the differences between then are so few
That’s too much
So z moves Mega and tera
that means Megas,Z-Move,G-Max and Tera are here
nah i rather not
Bro wants 0 balance lol
lmao
me too
I hate terra
I actually think tera is the superior mechanic
You playing scarlet violet already
Tera is based ngl
Wish there were megas in sv
Still unbalanced
Sv is balanced tbh
its superior
it's actually fine with open-sheets
Miraidon is so balanced
ok you aren't a competitve player
Ikr
Megas are too Unbalanced
I am not but i want to start
Rlly?? I though terra was the most unbalanced thing
all the problems that I had with tera are no longer once open-sheets come into play
miraidon is good, not “unbalanced” I’ve had my fair share of miraidon Ws
they gotta implement it in-game at some point

dude if i have a Nickel of saying Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence runing around in VGC 2016 i have ton of nickels
Miraidon > koraidon ??
yes
Easily
Zacian rental when?
actually not?
have you seen any Koraidon teams in top 8
Buff Zacian Please
Miraidon is better than koriadon competetively so far
I miss gen 8 Zacian
I wan to start playing sv i only chose my starter how many hours did it take you guys to conplete the story??
It was so balanced
You can wait
Gib now
Til next month

we need the Other Doggo Rental 
I can’t share the team cuz I want to take it to NAIC
fair
Makes sense
🐕 🗡
gotta wait for people to realize he is better in balance rather weather teams
I disagree
I’ve tried balance koriadon and taking advantage of weather is still really beneficial, doesn’t have to be full on sun
🐉 ⚡️ > 🐉 🥊?
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https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
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I am a competitive Pokémon VGC player. In my years of competing, I've won five Regional Championships and two National Championships. I also placed 3rd at the 2013 World Championships and 8th at the 2012 World Championships. Throughout my career, I've qualified for nine World Championships.
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zizico has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953
also sure,Proto Spam is better than Quark Spam
But Miraidon's New Partners are so damn opressive
Fr
What is vgc
Literally the Format we play
Doubles
Doubles 4v4
I dont like doubles is there singles in sv?
BSS
Battle Stadium Singles
it's just so weird having to rely on weather from partners
I am guessing it is a whole different meta or nah?
similar
Idk man, flare blitz Tera fire is a force to be reckoned with
Do you links for singles?
wait does anyone have Dawn Wings Set i can see and reference?
Btw uh, Zac was not balanced in the past it was very very strong, it needed a nerf
its trade HP for- wtf
I think it’s where it should be
For singles is ferrathorn garchomp volcarona arceus annihilape skele is good? ( pokemon showdown) or should i change something
at least it does not have Mixed attack Syndrome (Dawn Wings) But the Bulk is wtf
I think its ubers nation dex or something
just use the Turtle Boi
Turtle good
Terapagos Goated
Don’t start with nat dex
Huh?
And I hate it
Yea nat dex ubers
Tera Turtle is overrated
So is it good?
Are you proto spamming by chance?
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings @ Power Herb
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moongeist Beam
- Expanding Force
- Meteor Beam
- Tera Blast
I think of this-
People be playing around
Ok, W H A T
Is Tera blast needed?
Otot?
Ok maybe not pagos, but it’s team mates
Is it good?
Is what good?
Incin,rilla something?
And clefairy
fair
The team
And if farig dies, they FO spam me
Which one
So uh, you wanna send this paste OTOT
Mhm
just for if i don't have anything to hit,but i can change it to protect
For singles is ferrathorn garchomp volcarona arceus annihilape skele is good? ( pokemon showdown) or should i change something
it really is not Proto spam and it looks good
then for some odd reason i started playing like doodoo and the progress was lost
That happens whenever you play too good for a while
How the fuck are you struggling against terapagos
i always brought it at the wrong momentos
unless the turtle has Sleep Talk,Amoonguss is very important
but at the end of the day ik the team can work
i agree,this team looks decent
and thats why i have Cresselia-
oh id hate that lol
Each Pokemon on the user's side restores 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded half up, and has its status condition cured.
Psychic
Status
0
—
5 (8)
Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
Cannot be selected under Heal Block.
Affected by Snatch.
i can remove Sleep lol
Kek
and since i have Safety Googles on Cress
I’m calling in sick in work, I’m so fucked lmao
damn
But I have a high school reunion I am not missing
Cresselia @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Moonblast
- Lunar Blessing
- Icy Wind
- Helping Hand
This Cresselia if not unchecked,its EVIL
fake out+My Tornadus:
well Unless incin but i have Urshifu
and even if checked its probs not going down easily
depends
Urshifu is for Incin Shenanigins
with my lunala team i consistently beat pagos
yeah Lunala can just remove my Cresselia
my principle is to murder all its friends and force 1v1 with durshifu lul
works iterally every time
LOL
if i saw a Dark Urshifu i just Close Combat that MF with Rapid Strike lol
For singles is ferrathorn garchomp volcarona arceus annihilape skele is good? ( pokemon showdown) or should i change something
thats why hes at the back always, so that dont happen
my Urshifu always is in the Back
i reckon i can force it out fast enough
true,the Positioning is a key
or take it out of the match with the moongus/flutter that sits with shifu at the back
rilla never seeong the light of day againt pagos lol
wouldnt wanna contribute healing
anyways time to transfer lunala to swsh where i max it out
https://pokepast.es/12ba661dac2ea46a
Ignore the Dawn Wings EVs
why imprison on deedee
i just always use it when i saw a Miraidon lol
For singles is ferrathorn garchomp volcarona arceus annihilape skele is good? ( pokemon showdown) or should i change something pls help
did you forgot about locking Caly Ice
happens
apart from that, all looks pretty standard
Whata tr
trick room
except for the dawn wings
Is it rlly that important to bave trick room?
well i did though of Fairy Tera blast
i still dk how i feel about no status with no choice items/av
well for TR teams, Yea,
But for Hyper Offensive not really
my Incin is AV incin-
It makes the slow mon atack first right?
yes
i guess i can change to protect
Can someone help with my team dm
just show it in here with Showdown Pokepaste-
How do i do that in iphone
do u play pokemon showdown?
it should be in showdown where is said send it to pokepaste
There,just show us the link
Spoils of war
oh boi
cool so no Gen 9 lol
Yep
idk... Reshiram and Giratina are Bad(Giratina is Extra Bad)
Kyurems?
Hmmm
I acnt find swnd to pokepast
Oh wait
Is it below battle and team builder?
Lugia is there right?
Oh oh oh oh, I can’t hunt lugia
Gotta find some1 with shield
wtf is that Garchomp set
It’s a singles set so I wouldn’t question it too much, I think it works
Bc its for cobblemon so there is almsot no sv pokemon
Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance
I used this lol
Rain barreskewda is a problem for me
Before it had gliscor instead of ferrathorn
Do u think ferra is better
For that MU yes
i want to outspeed shit lol
Bc gliscor wouls make it weak to ice
Whats MU
Match up
What are we discussing?
Singles team
https://pokepast.es/0628d7b42e09e080
This singles team
and idek man-
I don’t play singles soo
Since when doubles is soo important
Because it’s the standard format
I did not know it was played
like since Gen 4-
VGC is the official format
like literally VGC become a thing in gen 4
Which is doubles
mhm
In my head less than 1% of ppl played that
Maybe bc i play pixelmon servers
I have violet but only chose my starter and went to beat up that girl thats your rival i think
ummmm No?
In violet ferrathorn is in the game?
he never was in sv
Like Most of the Showdown YT are Singles That makes the Illusuion of it
even tho there is DLC where is based on Unova
And is arceus in violet?
Fs in the Chat for Ferro
Yes but only in Home
Whats that
Pokemon Home-
I acnt use him against players?
if you played it in BSS
And since Arceus is Mythical Pokemon,its banned
thats why isaid if you want to use a Normal type Legendary
Just use Terapagos
Is he replacing ferrathorn or arceus
Arceus cuz its banned in BSS
LMAO
And what do i use instead of ferra?
And Ferrothorn Replace by Amoonguss
why does Calyrex learn Draining Kiss😭😭
I am in the part where i find miraidon
whole stuff up to pecharunt?
It doesn't even have the lips to kiss
9 hours or so to miraidon. + 4 hour for ogerpon. + 2 hour for BM ursa + paradox. + 4-5 hours for terapagos + 2 hours for pecharunt
4 for oger??
u think oger is that fast? 
Flutter learning moonblast at 84 is criminal I tell u
i did just oger in 2:40
Criminal
tbh its around 2 hours minimal, but like if u finish the base game its lvl 70 and its annoyING
yeye we want baby lvl 20 oger 
yeye

btw that is just an estimation of what i usually do without full focus speedrun
since i usually study watching lectures or do something else while doing the run
True

Gastrodon (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Storm Drain
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
- Helping Hand
- Stomping Tantrum
- Liquidation
- Skitter Smack cough what
yea i think grasspons best placement was top 4 or 8
btw for some reason i met 2 similar eternatus set today in showdown
both which has tinkaton in it
and just spamming sludge wave
u met them? did u shake hands?
I will steal this if you don't mind

HUH
i feel like u yoink every emote i use lmao
i think sableyevgc got 2nd at some grassroots w/ tinkaton eternatus so prolly is that team
As an avid nitro avoider i steal emotes from other people to use without being blocked by a subscription service
ah ic ic, no wonder
quite an annoying team tbh, the team i was testing doesnt have like ground coverage really well
thengot hit with eternatus tink
i was like "what"

oh yeah this was the team
i kinda have a feeling its choice locked, but didnt know it was specs
im gonna lose to this shit
think the eam is quiet weak to CSR
awesome
first bo3 i lose to a fucking BANDED GASTRODON SLAPPED ON THE MIRAIDION TEAM
wats the best counter for koraidon, mainly tera fire
Just went full timer against Miraidon team but came out on top
water types ground types
Holy crap dude
a
WHAT
ok so its very hard to get exact evs in sv, any tips?
i know all of that
its just applying them to the exact numbers they are on showdown
Simple addition?
Banded?!
yea
why?
and he was all like "banded is really good" and i was like
i’m sorry how tf does that even work
Water/Ground
Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sand Force (Hidden)
111/83/68/92/82/39
475
you slapped it on a fucking regional winning team stfu
it should be specs not band 😭
did just beat a koraidon team tho so thats nice
oh, effect spore fucking amoonguss
not regenerator, which almost lost me the game
…
man the vgc community is on fire today
like-
literally on fire-
burning down the world-
fucking orthworm
it’s not a replay so it won’t show iirc if it’s-
oh nvm
This shouldn’t exsist
why-
she’s the queen of early regulations
It’s stats are goofy
Mf says Tera fairy flutter shouldn’t exist whilst gunning for Nat dex gen 10
no way-o
135 speed and spatk?
and your point is?
Look at the defence bro it has major flaws
Ground
Drought
100/150/140/100/90/90
670
Groudon-Primal
That my team can’t cover 😭
this shouldn’t exist-
150 atk-
140 defense and 100 hp
Means it’s not an optimal team, flutter is very common
sounds like a skill issue to me
I don’t play vgc ok
i haven’t touched vgc in 6 months-
let alone pokemon 
i came back to a new format where nothing i had made works 
Sounds like a skill issue to me
at least i found this team-
https://pokepast.es/1380451e72a9e247
prolly tera grass chi yu
well, ok then
mmm?
dude quit after i beat him g1
Is yveltal in s/v?
No
bro quit as soon as lunala died lol
nope
good thing too tbh
i cannot imagine a fairy aura tera fairy geomancy’d moonblast to the face
Is calyrex ice better than shadow as a restricted?
Power herb go crazy
wait its bug arcahludon lol
bugcaludon
yeaaaa, bug on that team is really off
Then why run it
If there are so many counters
good g1 here drago
tera steel>tera dragon
to what-?
Its still strong youd just rather not be weak that has showing in the format and bolt isnt going anywhere which rain teams are weak too
yeah but tera flying and now you’re dead to raging bolt miraidon
since you said tera flying does it better-
Like everything else is already weak to electric why make another one weak to it
exactly
close g2
holy cow that was close good stuff man
leaving zac on the field was the right call
indeed
kyogre, kyorge everywhereee
i cant see team sheets wtf-
Smeargle (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
- Decorate
- Trick Room
- Follow Me
- Fake Out
Kyogre @ Life Orb
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
- Protect
- Thunder
- Origin Pulse
- Water Spout
Incineroar (M) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
- Fake Out
- Flare Blitz
- Helping Hand
- Parting Shot
Landorus (M) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
- Nasty Plot
- Sandsear Storm
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast
Gyarados (F)
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
- Aqua Tail
- Dragon Dance
- Protect
- Roar
Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
- Helping Hand
- Ivy Cudgel
- Spiky Shield
- Synthesis
yum 
ik what youre doing mf
does their gyarados not run an item? lol
what am i looking at
bye smeargle lmao
no decorates for you
aahuh
lmao
i’m sorry-
life orb water spout??????
my eyes hurt looking at that shit
Wtf was that game
oh we won lmfao
me too lol i put it on paste to make it easier to see
fact is: thatr kid beat someone (he didnt have 1000 rating)
Bro who was using that kyogre? Anyone here?
im surprised the smeargle wasnt faster than rilla
cuz sash would usually run max max unless he stole the smeargle off of wolfey
That’s even worse, smeargle should always me max speed unless tr
i mean it did have tr
yeah... that was funny
but still that paste hurts so much to look at
And they could’ve used double intimidate
roar gyarados lol
There’s a fricking +1 zac and they don’t intimidate, they wait to do the worst switch I’ve ever seen
tera steel incin, no protect np focus blast lando i with salac berry, ddance ROAR gyara, SYNTESIS HEARTHFLAME ogerpon, and then the 2 somewhat normal things
zac has to accept its going to get intimidated
which is why we have swords dance
i also had regidrago sitting in the back both games
Even so, it would’ve been helpful in the least
they could have played better but i think they were jsut going for funny shenanigans
i think one that surprises me the most is NP lando 
for me its the ogerpon
first off, wrong one, second off helping hand and synthesis is wild
For me it’s the smeargle
that set was in a wolfey video
for me its the team LMAO
They executed it terribly
Throw got the right answer lol
the whole ass squad
well, y'all got to see some of what im cooking
not making a rental off of it anytime soon
and like whats weird about itt in smeargle?
I already knew (: but throw stays quiet
What is this… is this a twisted joke
lol yea
its low bo3 elo things
oh hey leo
sup mom
That’s flutter, not smeargle who’s knows to be targeted due to its shenanigans, a reoccurring problem I had with it
ur contradicting urself
What is this cracked elo?
u said it has its shenaningans. then why are you questioning it
idk lol, mostly a joke
lol
the team hit 802 on cart ladder i think its got what it takes
Cause shenanigans are meant to work 
most definitly
Nice
just need to play it more, feel more confident with it today then yesterday
Is it a Zacian team?
zac drago
Ooh
the idea came from tofu/86th in indianapolis but i built the team myself
i htink drago starting to be picked up too recenly
yea Nils is running it
ye
Very nice
i liek drago
what happen
I’ve been working on some av kyogre, it feels pretty damn good
wah-?
i mean just by its power, it decently comparable to restricteds
since flutter is at its all time low and the steel types arent too common it can do funny things
AV kyogre sounds interesting-
Yep
AV kyogre is actually really strong
200 hp is very nice
very flexible
also yea, av kyogre good
It feels so goood
although the only thing ive fought is specs
sadly i can't use it cuz Archaludon de facto needs it
of course we say that then run into nothing but steel/fairy types last night lol
i just like being dumb and spout hehe tera water hehe specs OHKO resist
misty terrain grimm was brutal
Lunala team has been crafted, time to climb that in game ladder
so weird
tbf u can even run power herb arch
I don’t like Archaludon so it doesn’t effect me
like, i got out obviously but that was still ass
I understand misty terrain grimsnarl, I ran it for a bit
so ur also not restricted to use E shot on rain
Specs is also really good
as in i found like 4 more kyogre and just, played better lol
wellspring is rough for kyogre
i could but my Archaludon is Reg F's used so i just feel lazy and use that instead lol
Specs kyogre?
it was another indi regional team i believe
Thunder’s pretty nice into it
still sucks for it
And I’ve entered a ladder game with no items, im so smart
i just rely on Tornadus but then again sad
It does I was lying to myself
yeah just prtoect whats next to it and horn leech kyogre easy lol
Even better, I entered a fucking single battles game
i went into cart latter decently without EV and tera typing my team
What the heck am I doing
i really need Tornadus for this lol
wellspring aint top 12 but its still pretty strong imo
we have a lot of strong non restricteds rn its pretty cool
dude one of these days kyogre will run AV tera flying tera blast just to deal with ogerpon
But I can say that gholdengo helps a good few matchups for me
everything actaully feels manageable

dont tell them that
don’t give me ideas 
https://pokepast.es/9d72232cc4643a08
Anyways,Dawn Wings Necrozma
lemme wood hammer them in peace
Thats how i feel with Ice Horse besides my mirai mu but i think i got a good plan for those teams
I don’t run into many so I’m not thinking to much into that
ok mirai is probably the thing that easily gets out of control
kyogre who?
its mostly a joke type of comment haha
Protect here
I know
Pretty sure some people on cart don’t know what evs are lol
ig dawn wings isnt like, bad
its is cool, but Lunala is better
looks fine, id go rapid strike personally but single looks good
I just like Lunalas ability more
EVs are kinda
necessary for my team 
but OTOT is gonna use Lunala so i let him do the Lunala
shadow shield is a great ability
it is
I might not be both Terapagos and Kyogre's Strongest Warrior but i will not stop on trying
Honestly I don’t really think off what other people are wanting to use, I’ll use most things other than the caly’s because I’m spiteful
i hear top cut wym

youre right

It was autocorrect I swear 
top cut with sword doggo and drago
yesssss
How many people day 2 generally?
hah-
you got this
So not many
not a lot of room for error
Fair enough
yeah
once you're at 3+ losses you're just playing for points
yep
oh ur going to NAIC?
yep
pog
Nice
I remember all the headaches you were stressing about in like the first 2 weeks of the formats lmao, glad you’ve found something with it
yea, uh, the start of the format sucked for me lol
I still haven’t found that tech was Palkia, clearly I just need to find better partners for it
this is my first restricted format
palkia and dialga were always most present in double restricteds iirc
Don’t worry it is still not good for me
zac will be better when double comes around
I know, I just like Palkia
format's start was amazing for me-
i used-
mewtwo and flopped so hard 
can easily run some hard hitting special attacker to remove it lol
or yk
zac ogre
Well you see, I flopped bad and I still haven’t recovered yet
Oh I’ve found some good stuff, I just am not enjoying solo restricted formats
fair
Tbf I can’t say I’ve found good stuff, Tofu found it and I used it
yea but its not ever a bad thing to use other peoples ideas
Yeah
i mostly take cores i like and build from there
teambuilding is a collaboration thing
doing it by yourself isnt always the best idea
Probably true but I do it anyways
the world revolves around stealing ideas tbf 
originality is also overrated
yo, anyone play Gen 9ou and is 1700+ elo? Im looking for someone to fight up there. Could give shinies, apris in exchange
I learned that with the Palkia team
im 1640 so its not that off
most of us playing the official format, not much of us playing gen9 OU
I think nearly everyone here plays vgc not ou
ahhhhhh damn
we are vgc players
except that me use Cresselia on Terapagos lol
I play singles
WWW r u 1700 elo by cha ce
yea
In sv?
I only picked my starter lol
should we ask someone to make a Singles competitve discussion Chat to seperate it?
no
Yes pls
yes please
i think someone did already try making the suggestion
Maybe but like I don’t have a clue how many people here play singles
i was saved by-
lugia
theres singles players like
idk like 2%
rarely, so we dont really have another chat for it
Also for singles there are so many tiers + I would assume there are Smogon discords, I could be wrong though
ik lugia is a bit of an odd choice but strawberry
More than I thought
there is, good point. I should have asked there lol
No worries
there r like hundreds of thousands of singles players in general tho, its quite popular
its physically frail which is kinda-
upsetting-
Huh, fair enough I’m not patient enough to use it though
I’m aware I just meant in this chat there aren’t many
ah alr
run incin
I should get back into vgc, the issue is its j hard for me to pick leads
true
you'll just have to learn then
pick a team to play with and lead the same thing over and over again, see what does and doesn't work
It’s a learning curve, it’s a relatively difficult skill
yep hard agree
vgc is hard to get good at
And even the best players don’t always choose the best leads. Just depends on your MU and how you take it
there's a lot of factors in playmaking in vgc
leads mu's board positioning etc
playing is also half the battle, you have to build a team that works as well
Like your pokemon in the back are just as important for taking hits on switch ins etc
You can get more help on that point but team building is so much more time consuming
eh
For me atleast
not for me at least
Sitting in the builder syndrome is real
Teambuild,Placing and tactics
Teambuild is the hardest factor inside
just depends on you're knowlege of the format
Flutter Mane, Raging Bolt, Tornadus, Ogerpon Wellspring, Calyrex Shadow, and Inceneroar
that is, a team
Perfect vgc team
...
I like knowing why I’ve put things into place so I have a solid foundation, unfortunately I often don’t use the tools effectively
didn't Caly Ice is the Better of the two now-
caly ice is better
i have the "new nice idea at night before sleep and forgetting it the next morning syndrome"
lmao
Why
same
Shadow is good against flutter
more consistent, better bulk, better coverage
So I spend a lot of time team building but then when I practice I feel like the team can work well but I can’t make it work
lmfao
Gone through that a lot over the last month
I is better than S and I will die standing on that mountain
same
I agree
bro Caly S did not get into top 8 plus its harder to teambuild,Flutter Mane can just Shadow Ball the Caly S
flutter also isnt that popular rn
with you
tbh, its not that caly S is bad. its that people have been preparing it so much due to wolfey posted the first win with caly S
thanks caly, and hard hitting physical attackers
Finally
and since people were hyping around it so much
it got 1, overhyped
But isn’t caly ice mad slow
2, heavily prepped for (incin)
Trick Room
Trick room
its still so fucking strong, and can spiral out of control really quick
heck not all Caly I Run Trick room now
true yea
caly I is just a tank
Caly S’s problem is that it’s a one trick pony, so like hard to execute when we know what you gonna do
its just So damn tanky
like here siting and staring wih glacial lance
yeah
it does 1 thing yea
So if I use caly I have to remake my team into a trickroom one?
Caly I too, but it has bulk
i mean so does ice rider but also, it does it way better and its more flexible on teams
And seriously doesn’t need TR to be good
one trick pony isnt necessarily bad, but its just easier to play around since u know it now
Although you’d rather have it up of course
aside of Koraidon and Zamazenta, Caly Ice is my third major problem for my Terapagos Team if we say Legendaries
Is it just me or does cart seem way easier than showdown
zama does 1 thing and its top restricted in the regional rn
maybe it gets one or two shine but then people will start to learn how to play around it
People seem to forfeit quite often here
cart has less skilled players and also more gimmicks
BEFORE master ball
1000+ rating
Ok so I gotta grind up first
yea
Cart is straight Kyogre rn
its annoying
At least for me
It’s easier until your internet fails every other match on sv.
I haven’t seen a restricted yet lol
its lot of "water spout go brr" rn
aw ur making me blush
Nvm found a kyerum user
My peli loves it
im about to make kyogre team in cart 
my wellspring loves it
Kyurem is ass unfortunately
we learned the hard way
u guys will soon see me and my hacked kyogre with freeze dry hitt ur peliper
Like regular kyurem?
Yeah it’s a rain looking team, with cinderace?
NOOO
jk dont report me, i dont have hacked mon
Mhm
Huh
What.
I don’t even see Kyu W or B
It’s odd
What,the Hell is this shit
if only kyogre getts freeze dry 
i saw a kyurem w team, it was weakness policy shit
and i ohkoed it with ivy cudgel in rain kek
Thank heavens it doesn’t
throwdatahh has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
Oh and I think I’m might lose, dint anticipate high jump kick
IT TANKED A METEOR BEAM
whim's encore is absurd
i need to see the replay=
encore is annoying yes
kyogre? 
even better dark pulse archaludon
I think when I play ladder it’s like 90% caly-I, like 5% Miraidon and 5% caly-s. I haven’t run into anything else in like 50 games
I might lose here lmao
Insert Classic Sonic saying I'm Outta here
I mean
do you need my kyogre?
It’s just caly-I, it really feel like I only face it
imagine telling your opponent "if you protect you lose a mon"
i hab shiny kyogre
i played a misty terrian grimm with caly ice
This cinderace tanked a heatwave for chi-yu and meteor beam from lunala at orange, wtf was that thing fed
The usual nasty plotter that expects me to set up TR but I just KO with Lance🤣
i lost, because my regi's damage got nuked
is it this one tho? 
Steroids
ew pokeball
HAHAHAH DONT BONK ME ALYZ
0atk tho 
0a tho very cool
you get kyogre and i keep your shiny zacian
THE BONKING PENQUIN
all my legends are in master balls cuz im too lazy lol
fakyoo
I love it
Hahaha Tera ghost scarf kyerum

i already hab it, i wont return 

My Kyogre that i am using is in Prenium ball lol
Ran into that earlier I lost immediately
It missed the KO on flutter lmao
my ogerpon is in a friend ball tho, both of mine
Both?
Greedy mf, gimme
Close combat doesn’t do much when they pull out that ots strat
dusk Ball for me
Oh yeah it doubles as defensive
I wasn’t happy about that one
My Terapagos is in my Master Ball to diss Kieran that my Master Ball works lol
I just use lux balls on everything
i spend 16 hours playing s/v again, not doing that again
Shinies get apri balls
As a surprise factor despiser, I feel like I’ll be hating cart in a min or 2
i hate cart but also

i like seeing the animations, behemoth blade and dragon energy look cool in this game
well funny thing 
i gained a lot of play hour on SV this year
In game I feel more stressed that in showdown idk why lol
even tho they were so much better in swsh
you can change your Moves with Showdown
but can't in SV
Oh yeah true
just this year btw 
Bruh
damn
what are you doing 30h in home





