competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

another day another alt to terrorise low ladder while i figure my shit out

so far we've dropped 0 sets

[cyan smelt]

tera grass gouging fire wtf

[molten oasis]

thats not even weird

[cyan smelt]

they had their tornadus set up sandstorm when sun would've been good for their gouging fire

i'm sick of these low ranked players playing like world champions

and i just lost again

[patent marsh]

can't really do much about that besides just learning to play better

or cooking weird cheese strats nobody expects nor understands(hard mode)

[molten oasis]

im getting my zacian from this save

i completely forgot how unbelievably stupid the sordward and shieldbert plotline was

[patent marsh]

I mean

swsh story literally removed everything

let us adults handle it

only stopped when Eternatus needed to get plot armored 😭

[mighty stump]

So wat r u gonna do about it

[cyan smelt]

no idea

[molten oasis]

Ok but this was also worse than the whole Rose plot line

Because you have to do this to catch zacian/zama

Unlike the other games

Where you just, get them through mainline story or catch them post game

[patent marsh]

fair

first time the legendary needs to be caught in post game story content besides ORAS with Rayquaza

[mighty stump]

If you're not gonna do anything about it you're basically half-assing your gameplay to give yourself the excuse to complain tho

[patent marsh]

Too real

[molten oasis]

Yea, really annoying

But I have a lvl 85 urshifu to handle it

[cyan smelt]

just lost to psych up cresselia next to dondozo

[vestal elk]

dude when i play on the ladder i get ca;yrex spammers or kyog rain teams tbh not anything that is very unique

[mighty stump]

Then you should know what you're gonna do into it if it;'s so common

[vestal elk]

nah its easy i win im just telling i cant prictise on any other teams

[mighty stump]

Then get to a higher rank lol

[vestal elk]

im at great bal 10

but im to lazy to play rn

[mighty stump]

That's like

Nothing

[molten oasis]

“Urshifu is thinking about camping”

[cyan smelt]

why is everyone playing like wolfey

[mighty stump]

Y r u still complaining

[molten oasis]

Sounds like you should take a break

[cyan smelt]

why am i not allowed to complain

[molten oasis]

It’s constant

It hasn’t stopped

[mighty stump]

Because airing out your grievances constantly is kinda annoying in a public channel when you're not really looking to improve or do anything about it

Go DM someone or something

[cyan smelt]

i don't know how to improve

[mighty stump]

Considering the history of your attitude towards the game, I don't know either. Not until you change your perspective

[vestal elk]

just watch a few videos

n learn hhw to play in a genetral fasion

[molten oasis]

You’re not gonna learn anything if your perspective doesn’t change

From videos

[mighty stump]

Might as well tell him to "Just play more"

[vestal elk]

its true though

[molten oasis]

Team build more

[mighty stump]

Win more

[vestal elk]

playing will help u learn

[molten oasis]

Well

[cyan smelt]

it doesn't

[mighty stump]

Not if you don't know how to learn from playing lmao, and definitely not with a poor attitude approaching it

[molten oasis]

You need to balance it by breaks, playing this game nonstop isn’t exactly healthy

[vestal elk]

ig

[molten oasis]

As this game gets easily frustrating

Be it rng or just losing

[mighty stump]

If the only thing you're taking away from the game is "Why are players playing better than me and I hate XYZ" what did you even gain other than frustration

[vestal elk]

ye at the start i was feeling same

[molten oasis]

I uh, my mental is still not great but it used to be that bad

[vestal elk]

br oi jus trotate between pokemon n valorant

[molten oasis]

Wha?

cough anyway, take a break

Come back later with a fresh mind

Work on how you view the game

[vestal elk]

i just play 2 games when i gat bored of 1

[molten oasis]

ah

[solid frigate]

Back from school

(For 1:30 Hours

[vestal elk]

nice

[cyan smelt]

just had two ragequits in a row

[solid frigate]

damn

[cyan smelt]

i don't even know what to think anymore, just lost to a team with torn and whimsicott on the same team, whimsicott was tera steel and had leftovers and misty terrain

[molten oasis]

take

a fucking

break

[solid frigate]

agree

[honest wharf]

Folks I'm trying to rack my brain but I couldn't come up with anything.

How do you deny trick room if the opponent leads with Indeedee and Calyrex Ice?

[cyan smelt]

trick room koraidon i don't even know anymore

[charred saddle]

going for follow me and TR means its a very passive turn itself, some ways to stop it is just hit it hard enough before they can set up anything
or just be prepared to play around in TR and stall it out with rilla fake outs and terrain war

in my case, currently im using kyogre, so what im prob gonna do is just kyogre and farigiraf. knowing im faster i can always do spout + tera or HH. depends on what i bring and the opposing team

you can also always do a manual taunt, will be a bit hard considering it can follow me,
or just reverse TR, or imprison

[molten oasis]

kill the setter, set up

[charred saddle]

Will o Wisp once into the Caly I is also very good as it drops is damage significanly

[cyan smelt]

imprison is another option

[pearl wind]

no palkia?

[charred saddle]

i uhh, still have no idea how to use palkia

that shit has no good movepool, shit ass spread, but cool ass design

[cyan smelt]

oops you already said imprison

[honest wharf]

Yeah was thinking that but thinking it would be redirected with Follow Me

[charred saddle]

i mean the other thing is a bit wasteful of resources especially in CTS

is just amoonguss, and tera

[honest wharf]

I think with the team I'm using I'll probs just exert offensive pressure and then just play with terrain wars

[molten oasis]

palkia unfortunately mid

[charred saddle]

tera + spore into caly, if it follows me TR, sleep indeedee, ur slower and u can spore caly nex turn

amoonguss is just very strong in TR and annoys the hell out of TR player

but eh ye

caly I is just that strong

like most of the spread just doesnt do enough

[honest wharf]

I'm currently using that Calyrex Shadow team Wolfe posted about

[charred saddle]

the clefairy CSR?

[honest wharf]

So I was thinking Helping Hand Astral Barrage then if TR goes up, After You Astral Barrage

[charred saddle]

the one with after you?

[honest wharf]

Yes

[charred saddle]

oh ye, hmm

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 35: Clefairy

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/45/48/60/65/35

Total

323

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[charred saddle]

prob will work yeah, dont really have much experience using CSR, but dont really see any problems with it

i mean they can also do like HH and glacial lance

but idk if its enough to KO CSR

and they need to spend tera to stay alive from Astral HH

and no TR, unless they do like tera, glacial lance and TR indee, but then i dont think it KOs clefairy with neural and eviolite

then u prob should be more worried with the mons in the reserves, most caly I team had also prepared MU

[honest wharf]

MU?

[charred saddle]

matchup

like caly I teams can have incin to play around CSR better

[honest wharf]

I see. Was thinking rilla and incin for caly ice match ups

Then be a general annoyance with pivots knock off and fake out

[charred saddle]

yeah again, if u can like get rid of indee on the turn they TR follow me, you can always like knockoff the caly next turn with incin, or Will o Wisp

but idk

fari and indeedee is just so good to caly shadow

the typing is annoyinf

[honest wharf]

Yeah I was also thinking wood hammer and knock off into Indeedee then swap into clefairy to will o wisp or knock off caly ice

[charred saddle]

another point is that does High horsepower KOs ur incin then

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 152-180 (76 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
just going by small def investment it doesnt die tho

[honest wharf]

Yeah I was thinking that if I swap in Clefairy there I get Friend Guard to mitigate the damage by 25% iirc

[charred saddle]

oh ye and friend guard

[honest wharf]

Following turn I after you and parting shot the calyrex

Or should I risk a will o wisp miss lol

[cyan smelt]

Most caly is are clear amulet

[honest wharf]

Yeah that's why we knock off first

[cyan smelt]

I find it really hard to stop caly I from just snowballing

Either coaching or tr mode

And wisping it doesn't seem to help

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120359701

click click

[cyan smelt]

Damn how you make it look so easy

[charred saddle]

uh cuz i dont see any lead tthat can annoy me with that lead. maybe with urshifu

but im prepared to just take a hit and origin pulse miss

[cyan smelt]

What do you do against calydow

[charred saddle]

tailwind and spout

depends tho

[mighty stump]

Sometimes this feels like a negative tempo play

when wisping gives more value

[cyan smelt]

Also what do you do if it's caly ice and pelipper

[charred saddle]

eleki gambit probably

or just eleki kyogre is also just fine actually

[honest wharf]

It is but WoW accuracy scares me.

[charred saddle]

"WoW connects. must be nice"

• some youtuber guy

[honest wharf]

The relief I get when I see the animations

[mighty stump]

85% chance to control the game seems like a pretty good tradeoff

God damn

Disgusting mirror match

[honest wharf]

The rational part of my brain tells me you are absolutely correct

The rotting gacha gaming part says "15% odds is pretty high"

[mighty stump]

gacha brainrot

[calm narwhal]

If Rillaboom didn’t live no way calyrex was right ?

And how do you deal with Miradion

Because I honestly think that’s the answer to making Kyogre the regulation g mom

Mon he has no answer

[cyan smelt]

How common is choice scarf calydow

[calm narwhal]

You won’t run into one

I have ran into 0 it doesn’t make sense

[mighty stump]

Not common lol

Scarf CSR doesn't make sense to me

[calm narwhal]

It outspeeds far too much of the tier that focus sash is so much more viable

[mighty stump]

More like it doesn't really want to be choice locked like that for little firepower

[cyan smelt]

I saw a replay where both sides had set up tailwind and calydow still outsped a scarfed kyogre

[charred saddle]

got lando I

[charred saddle]

main worry is the pelipper wide guard

can always hydropump tailwind but its not putting much constant pressure

[calm narwhal]

Dude I was off to such a great start

And I am now catching this work in regulation g man like god

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120403779-odu0ctthciy2j4gumhfti1kgkp1sdzxpw

spam sandsear is fun

[autumn vault]

How is this tier list? I updated it because of Indianopolis regionals

Yes i am probably overrating CIR but i have too much PTSD from it

And probably overrating Koraidon

[willow vault]

I’d say I mostly agree

I would say I have zamazenta over koraidon but other than I don’t see to many things I hardline disagree with

[cyan smelt]

well i beat the regional winning team so that's nice

[solid frigate]

looks great,Zacian might be Low A

but eh

[south shuttle]

zygarde gonna get a mega dw 💯

[solid frigate]

this is Reg G

not all Legendaries

[south shuttle]

When did Zacian fall off?

[autumn vault]

At the beggining of gen 9 reg G

It fell off before the format even started in PS

The nerfs it got were too bad for it

[south shuttle]

it just got its ability nerfed

not its stats

[solid frigate]

yeah that took a toll

[autumn vault]

And it's attack got nerfed too

[solid frigate]

from 170 to 150

[autumn vault]

from 170 -> 150

[south shuttle]

i didnt know about that nerf

[solid frigate]

still tho its still great but its not as good as it used to

[south shuttle]

zamazenta dodged it?

[autumn vault]

Body Press is amazing for it

[mighty stump]

cough

[solid frigate]

it still have nerfed,Just not that heavy

[south shuttle]

at least they didnt nerf regdrago

[autumn vault]

160 -> 140 and ability nerf isn't that bad since Zamazenta hardly ever switches at all

And Body Press makes up for both and beyond

[solid frigate]

yeah now is Zamazenta -> Zacian

[south shuttle]

it gained body press this gen?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[dapper crag]

Zamazenta-Crowned's moveset:

Physical Moves

Behemoth Bash, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Close Combat, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Play Rough, Psychic Fangs, Quick Attack, Reversal, Slash, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Trailblaze, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Snarl, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Coaching, Endure, Helping Hand, Howl, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zamazenta-Crowned.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

oh

[south shuttle]

zamazenta refuses to talk about gen 8 🫥

[autumn vault]

Btw

[dapper crag]

Zekrom's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bolt Strike, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Fusion Bolt, Giga Impact, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stone Edge, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Electro Ball, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Charge, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Electric Terrain, Endure, Haze, Helping Hand, Imprison, Light Screen, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zekrom.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Look at that supportive movepool

And physical moves

Just a bit shocked at it's supportive movepool, not trying to revolutionize it, just pointing out something odd

[mighty stump]

Supportive movepool 💀

[south shuttle]

quick question

is araquanid worth running on a rain team

with water bubble 2Xing water attacks

[autumn vault]

It is really hard to justify Araquanid when pelipper is there since it does the same and more

[south shuttle]

what about both on the same team

it blocks burn too

[autumn vault]

Unless you don't want more than 1 flying type and you already have torn and want a wide guard pokemon, then maybe araquanid

But even then there are other Wide Guard pokemon to consider

[autumn vault]

3 Water types (assuming you will use Kyogre) isn't that nice and they all share an electric weakness so unless you want a rain team without the kyogre then maybe but Pelipper > Araquanid

[south shuttle]

what about for singles

not doubles rain team

[autumn vault]

Not sure about singles since i only play UU but i think it can be good

But Barraskewda is a better rain abuser

[south shuttle]

it goes with mega swampert pretty well

[south shuttle]

wait i forgot about that mon

[autumn vault]

So national dex OU?

[south shuttle]

ye

[autumn vault]

I played it a bit in the past, honestly i don't know if there is any dominant electric type but with Swampert i think it can do ok

Just better options

[south shuttle]

archaludon?

[autumn vault]

Steel/Dragon

Not electric

[south shuttle]

yes but electric type move that is really good

[autumn vault]

Mega Swampert can probably OHKO archaludon and wall electro shot and flash cannon but yeah i think as long as you prepare for it then you're good to go

[south shuttle]

with scarf kartana on there

it helps with swampert

[solid frigate]

then again

Its ND OU so wacky shit happens

[autumn vault]

True, iirc Mega Bannete went from ND PU to ND OU with just poltergeist and a lot of people doubted it

Not sure if it's still ND OU

And Landorus-Therian is still amazing

[solid frigate]

also

[autumn vault]

hm?

[solid frigate]

AV Kartana gang

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/fc86ebd6074817ee Good 6th member? I am lost (again) on a koraidon team

I don't think that many wide guard pokemon are good on sun teams except maybe Garg but idk

[south shuttle]

why not scarf?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 798: Kartana

Types

Grass/Steel

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

59/181/131/59/31/109

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Look at that SpD bulk

[autumn vault]

'

[solid frigate]

you don't really need invest on Attack cuz its already that good

[south shuttle]

yes thats true but why use av if its spdef is 31

[solid frigate]

if i suggest adding Mienshao,its quite weak to fairy already

[solid frigate]

EVs Exists.

[autumn vault]

Because if flutter mane can be really bulky then AV Kartana can

[solid frigate]

Physically*

[mighty stump]

Who can tell me why it's actually pretty relevant value to go AV + EV investment on low spdef mons

Thanks Rotom.

[south shuttle]

wait ur right

i didnt expect evs to do that much

its spdef is actually real now

[solid frigate]

Kartana @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 244 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Leaf Blade
• Smart Strike
• Sacred Sword
• Aerial Ace

During VGC 2021,Kartana did this set

[autumn vault]

I guess i will go Garganacl

[solid frigate]

Ignore the Tera,82 SpD x 1.5 makes it have 123 SpD

and 202 attack is stupidly good for it

[south shuttle]

its base stats carry

[south shuttle]

yeah this is rlly good

i didn't even know kartana had aerial

[dapper crag]

Kartana's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Brick Break, Cut, False Swipe, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Guillotine, Knock Off, Last Resort, Leaf Blade, Night Slash, Psycho Cut, Razor Leaf, Return, Sacred Sword, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Giga Drain, Hidden Power, Round, Snore, Steel Beam, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Protect, Rest, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Tailwind, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kartana.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

Wank ass EVs dang

[solid frigate]

ask VGC2021

[cyan smelt]

feels like everyone is using miraidon now

[solid frigate]

i mean it win the first tournament

so it makes perfect sense everyone using it and to further extent,Rajan's Team or their alternatives

[south shuttle]

why not

it gets a free 2x boost for exsisting\

[mighty stump]

2x?

[solid frigate]

its even more...

[autumn vault]

1.3x SpA

[south shuttle]

hadro engine

and the electric terrain boost

[mighty stump]

last I checked 1.3x1.3 is 1.69

[autumn vault]

And 1.3x Damage of electric type moves

[solid frigate]

currently rn is Choice Specs is most Popular,

STAB+Hadron+E-Terrain

[south shuttle]

specs

[solid frigate]

and i did not mention Tera yet

[south shuttle]

just destroy everything

[mighty stump]

That's not inherent to the mon lol

[autumn vault]

nice logical since we all know Sheer Force L-Orb is 1.69x damage

[mighty stump]

Can't wait for people to find some way to complain about losing with Miraidon cuz "its so op i should be winning 11!!1!!"

[south shuttle]

still its crazy powerful

koraidon not like that since its fighting not fire

still gets the 1.3 boost

[solid frigate]

STAB+Hadron+E-terrain+Tera(Optional,but most Miraidons we seen in Indiapolis just Teras miraidon so its more like a must calc on it)

[autumn vault]

Tera Fire solves the issue, the problem is that the tera can be really valuable on other pokemon

And you are using it on Koraidon

A lot

[solid frigate]

also Fire is a great defensive Typing,just sayin

[south shuttle]

3 weakness is average i thought

[mighty stump]

Unlike Miraidon, Koraidon has actually good Pokemon backing it up

Tera-Fire is a perfect type-flip for everything ti wants

and arguably hits almost as hard due to Sun being a larger boost than E-Terrain

with a higher BP move

[south shuttle]

flare blitz?

[autumn vault]

The only other fire moves it gets are fire punch and flame charge, ofc

[south shuttle]

does koraidon run collision or close combat

[autumn vault]

Collision, never CC

[south shuttle]

for the extra super effective boost?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[south shuttle]

or just bc 20 bp is not worth the drops

[autumn vault]

Collision Course is risk free and it gets a 1.3x boost when it hits for SE damage, and fighting beats 5 types offensively

[south shuttle]

wow 5 is great

[cyan smelt]

Terapagos is so bulky

[solid frigate]

[cyan smelt]

But I beat it, just

[solid frigate]

tertol

[autumn vault]

Turtle

Turt Le

[south shuttle]

what is terapagos base type?

[solid frigate]

its just looks cute,nothing really

[mighty stump]

My favourite type: nothing

It's Normal.

[lofty tartan]

👀

You're normal

[south shuttle]

oh

[mighty stump]

Literacy is dead and we're all doomed

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-generations-generations-william-t-riker-william-riker-gif-23806360

[solid frigate]

and this is why I should not watch Paper Mario Colour Splash while answering Questions

imma take a break

[summer shore]

@mighty stump hi wofu

[mighty stump]

suh

I got a new perfume brand for you

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[timber falcon]

i think i might be giving up on scarf koraidon

maybe clear am is better

[quaint knot]

Jezus tatsugiri commander dondozo into suicide into a psych up lugia...

[bold geode]

Also sorry for double ping, but the Tang said Flutter better so I guess we copy the 6 LMFAO

[summer shore]

Go ahead and spill

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[bold geode]

How is @summer shore

[mighty stump]

Floraiku

For me its been the best perfumes i've had yet

Their tea range is truly unique and they even have the correct style of earthiness/woodiness that I like in my perfumes

Paris brand

[honest wharf]

Are there any Kyogre teams that use Archaludon?

Was hoping to see how they use their stuff to get an idea

[mighty stump]

Its a pretty easy shove on

Its always AV

[solid frigate]

My dad got a Urshifu Single Strike Vmax-

[honest wharf]

Thanks! We're having a locals in about a week or so and I wanted to try out a couple of teams before deciding what to bring.

I think it's the first time I've ever seen someone host a VGC tourney in my parts so I'm just gonna go there~~, probably get my ass kicked~~ and see what happens.

[mighty stump]

Electro Shot/Flash Cannon/Dragon Pulse/Body Press as a standard

[honest wharf]

Also gonna soak in the experience

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/ad82755435c5afa3 You can have this as a really cookie cutter version to build on

I opted out of Flash Cannon and saw more value in Snarls

[honest wharf]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

shirou1918 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[honest wharf]

Ah tornogre how I missed thee

[mighty stump]

You can replace Hydro with Origin again since im no longer concerned about Wide Guard

[honest wharf]

[timber falcon]

on a sun team, is bolt the only good answer into rain?

[mighty stump]

I mean

Having the Sun active is also a pretty good way

[timber falcon]

so keep koraidon at the back?

im thinking tsarena, cause i also REALLY need a FO stopper on it

[mighty stump]

Just be aware of controlling the Weather

[timber falcon]

ok

what are thoughts on glimmora?

[summer shore]

Good good

[summer shore]

Have heard of them

Hard to find tho

[mighty stump]

Yeah its pretty niche accessibility wise apparently

and pricey

[timber falcon]

is ally switch farig good?

[mighty stump]

Ally Switch 🤮

[timber falcon]

guess not

how do scarf mons deal with FO?

[mighty stump]

Tera Ghost, Anti-Prio, Fake Out the FO

[timber falcon]

ok

[balmy glen]

I like farig but pls don’t use ally switch

most disgusting move in game pretty much

[mighty stump]

If ur good at the game u dont need Ally Switch 😎

[balmy glen]

This^

[timber falcon]

okidoki

does flutter looks any good here?

[south shuttle]

i mean you do need a special attacker

[timber falcon]

yes

[south shuttle]

and it blocks rapid spin

so i would think it fits fine

[timber falcon]

rapid spin?

this is doubles team btw

[mighty stump]

Its VGC

[south shuttle]

oh

idk what tthe vgc rules are

[mighty stump]

Honestly, I don’t know how I feel about Chien-Pao

[south shuttle]

i just run regular doubles ou

[mighty stump]

or even Hearthflame

[timber falcon]

its not the rules, just hazards arent worth it most cases im pretty sure

[mighty stump]

Imo Koraidon must have Raging Bolt next to it

[timber falcon]

ok

[south shuttle]

no rocks at least?

[timber falcon]

rare

[mighty stump]

By rare = sub 1% usage

[south shuttle]

why

too many defog users?

[mighty stump]

Different format, faster format,

Games end in sub 20 turns

Tempo is higher and losing momentum to do something passive like setting rocks actively can be very detrimental

[south shuttle]

what about passive effects

[timber falcon]

ok so koraidon and bolt should be best buds, after that i assume ill need a flutter answer?

[south shuttle]

like kleavor stone axe and samurott ceasless edge

[timber falcon]

they arent used much

[mighty stump]

Then that falls under the question of the mon being good or worth it being ran

[south shuttle]

sammurott is good tho

[timber falcon]

not in vgc

[south shuttle]

sharpness boosted ceasless

[mighty stump]

Different format

Different values

[south shuttle]

is vgc just doubles

[mighty stump]

Doubles without the Smogon rulesets

No tiering

[timber falcon]

intimidate and lack of speed probably hurts it, also i dont think its very bulky

[mighty stump]

Its the official TPCI format

[south shuttle]

av

[south shuttle]

so i can just use ubers

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 503: Samurott

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Shell Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/100/85/108/70/70

Total

528

Other Formes

Samurott-Hisui

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

like miraidon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 503: Samurott-Hisui

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/108/80/100/65/85

Total

528

Base Species

Samurott

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

You can use one

[timber falcon]

not UBERS per say, just restricted legs (one per team)

[mighty stump]

And by Ubers I just assume you mean Legends

[timber falcon]

things like archaludon arent banned for example

[mighty stump]

I mean coming off of Luka’s team

I think his was alright but was pretty rough as a draft

[timber falcon]

anyways, after bolt and koraidon i kinda like the look of amoongus and incin

[mighty stump]

Thats probably where the base is

Realistically with Flutter that provides you another method to control Miraidons/CSR

If you Icy Wind

[timber falcon]

so sash flutter right?

i think for this team ima try clear am

is bulk up worth?

[balmy glen]

Nah flame charge flare blitz collision course protect is already fine on korai

Especially with clam

[timber falcon]

Okidoki

hows this

not 100% sure on rilla

[mighty stump]

Torn maybe

If you're going Flame Charge, the added Icy Wind + TW support just means you have flexible options to maintain momentum

[balmy glen]

With incin you go torn if you were to go to Oger hearthflame then I’d recommend the rilla

[timber falcon]

torn it is

incin is there to solidify caly-ice answer

[mighty stump]

I just feel with Hearthflame you're almost liable to getting damage output reduced from Pelipper

[bold geode]

Sun grass spam pog

[balmy glen]

Ye

There’s some parting shot mind games you can predicting Pelipper switch ins with Incin so that’s nice

[mighty stump]

Turbo-Incin time

220+

Oh yeah

Do you happen to have a sparknotes on your team Keanu

[balmy glen]

I wouldn’t recommend relying on Incin Amoongus as your caly ice answer btw since it’s a very common core unless u make it very physically bulky

[balmy glen]

I made them with Michael Zhang so it will come out after LA regional

[mighty stump]

Makes more sense

[timber falcon]

then what can i use to answer it?

[bold geode]

So the Jolly Incin you talk about is 220 and not 252?

[balmy glen]

if u saw Brady Smiths take on the team it’s not even close to our spreads lol

[mighty stump]

Outspeeds Modest Peli

[mighty stump]

No, just wanted a surface level summary on why those choices for the blog since im running through teams

[balmy glen]

oh gotcha

[mighty stump]

Like why no Iron Defense that kinda stuff

[timber falcon]

btw, if i make incin physically bulky, can i use it for caly-i?

[polar canyon]

Hey

[timber falcon]

yellow

[polar canyon]

Any amoonguss spreads?

[mighty stump]

Probably just need Wisp, I played around with Yache Amoonguss but it was kinda meh

[timber falcon]

so then do i sac knock or blitz?

[polar canyon]

I wonder if brute bonnet is worth using rn for the prankster taunt immunity

[timber falcon]

blitz damage looks nice with sun'

[polar canyon]

It does get to just stay in vs caly shadow

[mighty stump]

mm

I almost feel like I don't want to play Amoonguss on Koraidon teams to force Sleep Powders which kinda suck but having a faster Sleep user to either pressure Sleep + WIsp Incin means you can cover either Tera as necessary

[polar canyon]

So venusaur?

Or lilligant

[mighty stump]

Venusaur, Hilligant

I'd even consider Turbobonnet

[polar canyon]

Timid 0 atk still doesn't get booster speed which is funny

You probably want the defense boost right?

I just saw that it gets lash out

That seems fun

[elder python]

assault vest or choice specs primarina singles ranked?

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120545411

maybe couldve just wen tornogre

[balmy glen]

So uh I accidentally found a way to make Fezandipiti work

[mighty stump]

If its Eternastall istg

[polar canyon]

Icy wind fishing for poison

[mighty stump]

I would honeslty just click Toxic at that point

[polar canyon]

Well toxic doesn't spread and drop speed

[polar canyon]

What does it do tho

[stray badger]

What would be the best IVs to have on a ditto to breed comp mons without having to get more than one?

[charred saddle]

0a0s 4 IVs

[stray badger]

Well I guess actually 0 IVs since you can always hyper train

[charred saddle]

only 0attack and 0 speed actually matters

0 spA may matter(?) but its like very niche and dont see a reason for casual comp to do it

[strange fjord]

31/0/31/31/31/0 Ditto

Sp. Att won't matter 99.999% of the games

[stray badger]

[strange fjord]

for 0iv that is

[stray badger]

I'm probably not going to shiny hunt the breeding ditto...

Now I kinda wish there were IV sandwiches

[elder python]

for singles what’s does regulation mean?

[charred saddle]

nothing ig

they only do regulations for doubles right? or is it also for single

[strange fjord]

regulation on both single and doubles battle stadium just changes which pokemon are available to add to your team

on battle stadium, both singles and doubles use the same regulation

[elder python]

why are there so many?

[strange fjord]

dlc adds new pokemon. new regulation

[elder python]

and do they reuse them?

[strange fjord]

they might continue a regulation with the same rules. but they don't really go backwards tho

[south shuttle]

which is better ursaluna or ursaluna blood moon

[charred saddle]

depends on team

[south shuttle]

or are they both the same just one is spatk

[south shuttle]

overall

[charred saddle]

...

depends on the team, both has theyre own usage

[south shuttle]

arent they both trick room

[charred saddle]

different types of TR

one needs to run facade guts and can run EQ

one heavily relies on hyper voice BM and EP in cases

both are sweeper. but has different gameplan

BM usually runs with fari, ursaluna runs with cress

[south shuttle]

so ursaluna is the better singles mon, and bm is better for doubles

since hyper voice

[charred saddle]

im talking in VGC context

shit example is like firepon or waterpon better

well nvm thats a different context, since different typings.

but you cant really just generalize the mon which is better

both are good, and has achievements in regionals.

[mighty stump]

New blogpost is up

On da twitter

Or my profile

Lol

[charred saddle]

me go read now

any new palkia cooking ?

[mighty stump]

No

Anjg

[charred saddle]

kontol

[mighty stump]

LOL

Kontolol

[bold geode]

Why the Dawn Wings so high

[mighty stump]

Cause

Its basically like Lunala

Its more similar to Lunala than DM and Solgaleo is

[charred saddle]

ohohoho

lots of new toy for me to play

[mighty stump]

anjg

[charred saddle]

thanks for the read

ap tot

[mighty stump]

yw thanks for reading tol

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

ASAYDE KONTOL

SAMA LOE SEMUA

[charred saddle]

NGENTOT NGENTOT

[mighty stump]

SAMA LOE SEMUA

[charred saddle]

SAMA LOE SEMUA

[mighty stump]

my gf read this and said "anying"

Ini nama kebanggaan bangsa

suara masyarakat

[charred saddle]

pride

[bold geode]

Sir good read, but tiny little detail on Zama
I will always say Heavy Slam better than Bash lmfao

[mighty stump]

Probably

[balmy glen]

New blog?

[balmy glen]

True

[bold geode]

You miss enough Flutter kills at -1 and it hits lol

[normal cedar]

*underused restricted

I’m cooked 😭

[mighty stump]

Just crit with a cooler animation

[bold geode]

Lmao

[charred saddle]

win
Win cooly

[mighty stump]

New blog.

[stray badger]

I thought only Hydrapple got cooler crits

[dull ibex]

Ayo?

Tofu you need to watch me play again 😭

[mighty stump]

lol when

[torn parrot]

If you make a dusk mane team I’ll make a dusk mane team

🐇

[autumn vault]

I am bored, i need action and i need to research restricteds so, why not? Besides studying is annoying and i have the last exam coming before in a few weeks a huge amount of them come, after the exam i will have a bit of time to study restricteds

[grim shuttle]

You should make a Pikachu team 👍

[dull ibex]

Idk 🤔

[autumn vault]

Not a restricted so no

Guess i will make a Dusk Mane Necrozma team

[molten oasis]

Why do you refuse to use the good shit

Go ray ig as it’s the best option

[next stump]

https://x.com/nailsou/status/1788271100994245082?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

AFG Nails (@NailsOU) on X

CSR suffers from its own kit. Astral Barrage is the best attack in the game. 120 BP 100 Acc spread, special so it doesn't need Clear Amulet, great neutral typing. With the best speed stat and Grim Neigh CSR has the means to spam its button. The problem is it's a one trick pony.🧵

Twitter · May 8, 2024, 6:13 PM

great thread

[autumn vault]

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Sunsteel Strike
• Psychic Fangs
• Protect
  How is this set? I ev'd it to tank astral barrage from a 252 L-Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider

[craggy dagger]

use cosmog

[bold geode]

Outdo my Zamazenta if you want something lmao

[torn parrot]

I was frustrated while trying to make a metal kitty team

But something still draws me toward it

[mighty stump]

Use Solgaleo the better metal cat

[torn parrot]

I was thinking that solgaleo’s abikity is really appealing

[bold geode]

I fought one where the idea was just double flinch fishing with Solgaleo and something else and it pissed me off so much

[mighty stump]

That actually sounds like fun

Might do AV

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Solgaleo: 174-211 (82 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bold geode]

Now do Specs and Tera Helping Hand bitch

[mighty stump]

Only when you see a Choice Specs Tera Ghost CSR

[bold geode]

I saw quite a few, but that was like a week ago so

They prolly bye bye

Then again who gives a fuck about CSR when you have

https://tenor.com/view/iron-jugulis-pokemon-hydreigon-jugulis-orange-justice-gif-3023807058606880044

[mighty stump]

You literally lost to CSR with Iron Jugulis

💀

[bold geode]

Huh

[mighty stump]

Probably, at some point

[bold geode]

Well Tofu sometimes we do dumbass shit ok

[mighty stump]

Jugulis isn't a problem

[bold geode]

Sometimes the skill issue shows

But Juggy helped massively
I don't blame the Jugulis

[mighty stump]

I beat Tang's Jugulis team with CSR

[bold geode]

Then again, my CSR MU ain't bad cuz I geared for that fucker a lot

[mighty stump]

You havent met the new CSR have you

[bold geode]

Then again, using Zamazenta sorta also made that a thing that needed to be done

[bold geode]

What we looking at again

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120429054-n1adkb4h5vr5alonq0lclxk8mnfvlxipw example while i was climbing

[bold geode]

I'm guessing you're using this new variant

Is this that Cloak shit you were

So basically just a CM Flutter on crack?

[molten oasis]

The new CSR?

[bold geode]

Now Tofu my question is
Is this a Tofu special or is this actually going around

[mighty stump]

Going around

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[mighty stump]

Probably not a big deal but don't be surprised if you see NPlot Sitrus or CM CC

[charred saddle]

tofu watch me cook a bulldoze WP solgaleo

[molten oasis]

Oh ok

It’s set up stuff

[bold geode]

Well one good thing I can say
It being Tera Fairy means I can actually bring Zamazenta into it if I absolutely need to

[mighty stump]

Do something more fun thatsa boring asf

[molten oasis]

Lol

Hydrapple kyogre/groudon trust

[bold geode]

How bulky we talking these things are?

Like how many Urshifu hits?

[torn parrot]

I never liked the idea of wp solgaleo cus then its just like a worse swords dance

I know it doesn’t have swords dance

[charred saddle]

its a gimmick and i said it as a joke

[torn parrot]

It’s okay fam i know

[charred saddle]

so does that make me ur lil bro or big bro

jokes aside, im bored with kyogre now

20-5 record and im bored with it

[torn parrot]

Wow nicely done

[charred saddle]

im basically just finding ways to get spout off

its fun for a while but its boring

[torn parrot]

You like aggressive mons?

[charred saddle]

idk i actually like balance more

i just find kyogre to be easy to pilot around

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

balance good

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/4668a203d561f138

[mighty stump]

just dont explode to Astral Barrage

[molten oasis]

eleki, interesting

[charred saddle]

just a variant of hirofumi's team, but like its fun for awhile

[bold geode]

Easier said than done

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Brainstormin

[torn parrot]

The regi pick was really annoyingly efficient on that one team

it hurty

[charred saddle]

honestly

now that i think about it, i rarely bring the gambit to field

one thing i can do is just turbogambit + Eweb

[dapper crag]

Move: Assurance

Power doubles if the target has already taken damage this turn, other than direct damage from Belly Drum, confusion, Curse, or Pain Split.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[charred saddle]

• that

hmm under TR fari can move before gambit too

[bold geode]

@mighty stump set

[mighty stump]

ok

[bold geode]

Name?

[mighty stump]

blarghcanine

[charred saddle]

me wanna watch

[mighty stump]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2120705753-1djd2t18mhd9a0ct16l21pxgxhkd2tppw

[charred saddle]

what the fuck tofu

covert cloak caly

[mighty stump]

GG

[bold geode]

I'm just not even gonna finish that

[mighty stump]

Lol

[bold geode]

GG back to redrawing a fuckin MU entirely

[charred saddle]

i didnt even realize ur cloak till it got faked out and still barraged

[mighty stump]

:)

[charred saddle]

holy crap

[mighty stump]

in case anyones wondering I can take like 20% from Specs Pagos

Granted, its 2 CMs and a FG but you can have a decent MU

Ironically

The straight counter to this team is just to run the exact same team but with CC Terapagos LOL

[charred saddle]

closecombat terapagos

[bold geode]

Fucking Friend Guard too and double Fake Out God

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120705753-1djd2t18mhd9a0ct16l21pxgxhkd2tppw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120708306-a0kpnb2ffh0a7ujjw6mrfakkmx0e1znpw
In case you want the replays

I don't think it entirely fixes CSR's issues but its definitely good

At least, improved

[bold geode]

This just pisses me off
Had good lines into CSR and now there's a set that just completely shatters everything

[charred saddle]

i mean cloak calm mind CSR is like not really common no

[bold geode]

It's going around apparently

[mighty stump]

Do you want to see the straight up mirror

[charred saddle]

oh

[bold geode]

Meaning I'm just fucked

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120363304-ehm48x4x66rweg4fophbnhjw3nogq6cpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120364942-60u0k5r3mr688l1gnco61a7vveuizg2pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120366285-ej0hdoet4vrxg9w3wqs7hroatz0f84fpw

[charred saddle]

is that a bulky caly?

i mean its FG but only 60% from surging is surprising

[bold geode]

I'm not max attack, but it'd live even max attack with FG so

[charred saddle]

holy crap

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/mogging-mewing-cat-zazu-gif-13280918095920108064

[bold geode]

That FG mattered

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

It does have bulk

[charred saddle]

i think the approach with double FO is just more well rounded i think

[mighty stump]

I mean tbf you're supposed to have Urshifu over Snorlax

LMao

[charred saddle]

watershifu?

[mighty stump]

Yea

its just the jungle bros

[charred saddle]

so could do like tornshifu?

[mighty stump]

i mean literally its the FWG core/Clef/CSR/Torn

Replace CSR with Terapagos and thats the same team

[charred saddle]

hmmm

[mighty stump]

Replace Inicn with Chi-Yu and Rilla with Amoonguss and thats the HO Terapagos team

[charred saddle]

replace CSR with palkia

[mighty stump]

Honestly

[charred saddle]

anyway yeah interesting

[mighty stump]

If you go Origin Palkia

Then go Darkshifu

[charred saddle]

ye ye makes sense

[mighty stump]

Or like a Flutter lol

You can make HO Palkia cause the Origin form isn't dookie cheeks

base 120 inshallah

[charred saddle]

the move is ass tho

bro. every single move can fucking miss

[mighty stump]

Dragon Pulse

[charred saddle]

hydro and spacial

[mighty stump]

Screw spacial

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

fuck

[mighty stump]

oh

If you want to be funny

[charred saddle]

gravity?

[mighty stump]

Go Jugulis with Dragon Cheer

Lol

[vital bay]

Hello, can someone help me make my team better please?

[charred saddle]

dude i did thought of dragon cheer before

didnt realize jugulis gets it ttho

[molten oasis]

paste?

[charred saddle]

maybe i can try make around that

[mighty stump]

bayar bang

3 jt

yw

[charred saddle]

lagi miskin bang

[mighty stump]

anjg

gw sedot idenya keluar dari otak mu

[charred saddle]

kemaren saya baru ngegacha genshin

[mighty stump]

Depends on the format

Is it doubles?

[charred saddle]

C2 arlechinno keluar 2 juta bro

[mighty stump]

Anjg cewe gw juga

2.5

for the weapon too

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Meanwhile gw Honkai gk dapat Aventurine

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Paste of

[vital bay]

This is my team, I often lead with Caly and Uxie to fling Uxie's choice scarf onto caly to get the boost. After Caly and Uxie are defeated I go with Ursa and Indeedee to set up a trick room

[mighty stump]

Its ok I have Acheron

[molten oasis]

wha?

[mighty stump]

You asked for a paste

[molten oasis]

yea

[vital bay]

Regieleki and Whimscott just seem useless tho

[charred saddle]

gw 72 blm pecah pity

[molten oasis]

for aystum

[mighty stump]

Oh

[charred saddle]

trus pensi honkai lg. ga kuat gw main kebanyakan game + kuliah

[mighty stump]

Well starting off with not using a gimmick would probably be helpful

Considering how one dimensional it sounds, with the team's conditions around the attempted gameplan being fairly surface

[vital bay]

Wym a gimmic? Like tera?

[molten oasis]

a follow me or rage powder would just ruin the strategy

[mighty stump]

Like your cheese strat

[charred saddle]

kmren gw literally dpt tugas bkin rangkuman dri soal soal yang dikasih

itu smua dapet di hari jumat, bkin ppt + catetan kumpul tdi rabu.

fucking crazy

[vital bay]

No, since I use either astral barrage or earthquake

[mighty stump]

distosia/dystocia?

[charred saddle]

thats one part that i need to learn

[molten oasis]

now im confused

are you using fling on the opponent?

[dull ibex]

bv?

[mighty stump]

They meant the Fling.

[dull ibex]

vc?

[mighty stump]

r u gonna stream

[dull ibex]

sure

[mighty stump]

Pog ok

[molten oasis]

i'll join for a bit

[vital bay]

Ooooh, well nobody has either used follow me or rage powder

And thats because when i see those threats I lead with Ursaluna and Indedee

[molten oasis]

amoonguss is common so why are you running this strategy in the first place?

[mighty stump]

Well if Regieleki/Whimsicott feels useless

Just find another duo pair or something to slap on

[vital bay]

Any recommended duos?

[mighty stump]

chi-yu flutter mane

dondozo-tatsugiri

[timber falcon]

dozo tatsugiri still works?

also is it worth running max speed torn so i dont get taunted by other torns?

[zealous badger]

https://pokepast.es/ccddee8aeb069c52 who should be the last mon i add?

[solid frigate]

Clefairy for Heal and get around Trick Room with After You?

[normal cedar]

more votes on this would be appreciated

[timber falcon]

I mean, there’s a noticeable lack of offensive pressure. Only 1 mon has that capability in the team

Maybe another hard hitter is needed as caly is frail

To powerful spread moves

[charred saddle]

one thing that directly comes to mind is just Tofus team

calm mind caly cloak team

rilla instead of deedee, and then clef

[zealous badger]

help plz

[craggy dagger]

rillaboom would fit nicely

[charred saddle]

prob can do something similar to this.

[polar canyon]

Man I love scream tail

And I'm already giving up on ho-oh

After like 10 games

I got hit by a 90% from glacial lance

[zealous badger]

thx

[gentle crag]

flameduckys has given 1 Gen Rep to stella_novie

[strange fjord]

won a room tour on my alt account but bc its less than 1 week old I couldn't say gg in chat 😭

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120757343?p2
final match if anyone's interested

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120779574

Wtf is that tornadus-

[cyan smelt]

Do they not know how urshifu works lol

[solid frigate]

the probably think that i will target Gouging fire

but what on earth is that Tornadus

That Moveset is more Restricted Legendary than Kyurem Black-

[cyan smelt]

Yeah nasty plot sludge bomb is weird

[solid frigate]

Is he gonna play as Lando I lol

[cyan smelt]

Exactly why not use lando I at that point

[solid frigate]

tbf i shouldve Fake out Mienshao and then kill it with Wood Hammer but that just me

[cyan smelt]

Inner focus

[strange fjord]

probably fake out just to break sash

tho grassy glide better

[solid frigate]

true

[cyan smelt]

I still have no idea what to do against weezing calydow

[south shuttle]

regidrago and ogerpon wellspring 🤝

[strange fjord]

what restricted are you running

[cyan smelt]

I ran into it on in game cart using tofu's rental

[strange fjord]

tera fairy icy win flutter/tailwind torn to gain speed control then ko the shadow rider with shadow ball

[cyan smelt]

But calydow outspeeds and neutralising gas turns off prankster

Tera ghost hits hard

[molten oasis]

Yes

[strange fjord]

252 SpA Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fairy Flutter Mane: 94-112 (72.3 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

Oh nice

[strange fjord]

idk the set on torn so i cant calc that

[cyan smelt]

I think I need to try and build my own team because I'm not doing well with tofu's rental

Or try another rental

[strange fjord]

wanna try my silly team? its only on showdown rn tho

[solid frigate]

wait Rhyperior?

also can i see the paste

[cyan smelt]

Good in tr ig

[strange fjord]

shuts down that choice specs miraidon team that's been floating around

since its won a regional and all

[strange fjord]

meh why not. give me a minute

[cyan smelt]

How does it do against caly ice

[solid frigate]

yeah this team is EXTRA WEAK AGAINST IT

[strange fjord]

https://pokepast.es/1ef5a63ff4c4a013

lemme check some replays I got against caly ice

[solid frigate]

Zoroark is already frail as fu
Rillaboom and Sinischa are self explanitory

Uhhhh Bullet Seed Rilla?

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120738167

heres one caly ice team

[solid frigate]

they played so badly-

[cyan smelt]

I want to use horoark too, would be good against calydow as well

[timber falcon]

Funny team

I like it

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120740781?p2

another ice rider team

[solid frigate]

Just asking,is this pfp alright?

[south shuttle]

why ask

its your pfp

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117589057

Also i am so impress on this maych

[timber falcon]

Wicked blow over CC here is crazy

[strange fjord]

fr

[solid frigate]

i just need opinions ok.

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120244827

more ice rider battles

[timber falcon]

Greninja is cool

[solid frigate]

i feel like the Most Popular Restricted is either Miraidon or Caly Ice

Caly Shadow has more Checks cuz Kingambit existsed

[timber falcon]

Unless redirect

[solid frigate]

fair

[strange fjord]

ive won most of the calyrex ice teams ive faced so far. i must not be high enough on ladder to face better ice horse teams

[solid frigate]

yeah i am struggling to beat those

Incineroar is my only hope

[cyan smelt]

A lot of caly ice teams also have urshifu on them

[solid frigate]

Top 3 Terapagos Counters be like:

Mienshao,Urshifu and Koraidon

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon also hits hard

[molten oasis]

Persona?

[solid frigate]

at least CACM Terapagos or LFCM Terapagoss can handle it

[solid frigate]

well its me and my friend's Duo YT Channel

[cyan smelt]

You should use comfey to heal terapagos

[solid frigate]

Me:Cresselia moment

[cyan smelt]

It's good against fighting types too

[solid frigate]

Also if you are curious on the Short Forms:

CACM:Clear Amulet Calm Mind
LFCM:Lefties Calm Mind

[solid frigate]

true

[cyan smelt]

Plus floral healing is busted in grassy terrain

[solid frigate]

i just don't really use Comfey for some reason

[craggy dagger]

wait that pagos is slower than the ice rider-

or did they try to double TR

[molten oasis]

I see

[strange fjord]

they double tr since they thought id double protect

[solid frigate]

and extra Pokemon content might post in here

[strange fjord]

to stall the last turn of tr

[cyan smelt]

I've learned the hard way it's always good to attack on the last turn of tr

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/Gb5IPNMUHHc?si=FFQuiQHvLuG_efIX

Ayo Moxie Boosted thats interesting

[forest arrow]

Bozo team 🥲

[molten oasis]

you lost me when dozo showed up

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

That's it - dropping Whims/Hands for Dozo/Tatsu on Mirai

Matchups solved.

Ezpz

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

idk why i just also don't like dozo,tinkaton tho is interestinf

[lofty tartan]

I used to hate Dozo until I started playing it seriously.

Now it's just like... a thing

[molten oasis]

dozo seems fairly boring to play

[lofty tartan]

It would seem that way, but it really wasn't.

[molten oasis]

for me at least

[lofty tartan]

No I get that.

[solid frigate]

my friend wants to play Terapagos and his fav is Tinkaton so i just do that

[cyan smelt]

What's this choice specs sleep talk terapagos I've heard about

[solid frigate]

the one with two moves?

[cyan smelt]

No idea just heard there was a sleep talk specs set

[solid frigate]

i mean the one that got 2nd in Indy have Hyper Beam/Starstorm/Sleep talk/Dark Pulse

[cyan smelt]

Sounds interesting

[solid frigate]

which i would say is interesting but you heavily Forfieted so many Bulk

unless you ran Bulky Specs

[atomic mural]

what is the usual trick room urshifu dark set?

[lofty tartan]

Usually like a typical set. You usually run Urshifu on a TR strategy as a fast option

Like Sash/Scarf

Wicked Blow/Sucker/Close Combat/U-Turn if Scarf. Detect/Protect over U-turn if Sash

[atomic mural]

what about band set

[lofty tartan]

Band is the same moves.

[atomic mural]

aight

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120875060-0854ytbq2v3p5q5zb31scq2dikr48ggpw im pretty sure i shouldve lost this game, where did my opponent mess up?

was it just positioning?

[solid frigate]

No Collision COurse on INicneroar?

like they did not go for it

oh wait

[timber falcon]

im the koraidon

[solid frigate]

yeah i forgot lol

because i saw so many people using Zamazenta

[timber falcon]

when could i have used collision course?

[solid frigate]

wait

[timber falcon]

t1 i messed up big time

[solid frigate]

-1 252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Incineroar: 212-252 (104.9 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It still killed

[timber falcon]

no but which turn would i have attackes

[solid frigate]

during the turn where Pelipper switch?

idk but still i think the Opponent messed up

[timber falcon]

they definitely did

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

i think shifu shouldve swapped out a long time ago

[solid frigate]

mhm

[timber falcon]

in the very least win back rain

dk why incin stayed in

[solid frigate]

also funny thing i done with Terapagos is that i Tera'd Terapagos and remove the Sun and the Grassy Terrain cuz i am fighting Ogerpon, and then i use Prankster Rain Dance to set up my Weather back lol

[timber falcon]

why get rid of terrain though, i thought u benefit

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon.

[timber falcon]

firepon?

[solid frigate]

yeah its a Sun Team

[timber falcon]

yeah my critical thinking wasnt on there lol

[solid frigate]

i just Heavy Nerf that Ogerpon lol

[timber falcon]

got nothing going for it atp lol

[solid frigate]

lmao

[cyan smelt]

What moves does rockpon have on that regional team

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/3a8987adc8d0eb00 Before I start testing (not today im tired) any last changes I should make? (basically just that one araquanid team that was 9th place at indianapolis)

[cyan smelt]

Probably high horsepower over close combat

[solid frigate]

Cudgel,Spiky Shield and i forgot

[cyan smelt]

Wood hammer?

[solid frigate]

i think so...

did it have follow me?

[forest arrow]

Power whip follow me

[cyan smelt]

Power whip damn that's annoying

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

I think I should build around farigiraf because prio is annoying

[solid frigate]

especially these three

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-smile-gif-19923061

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-forces-of-nature-legendary-pokemon-tornadus-tornelos-gif-11702652453088129176

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't stop them from setting up tailwind though

[solid frigate]

we know but towards like Others like Taunt,Encore,E-Impulse thats worth it

[cyan smelt]

True

[solid frigate]

also did Tornadus just 1 did the Saitama special-

[elder python]

is there a regulation G tier list for ranked singles?

[solid frigate]

usually we don't rank them in Singles cuz they played so differently than Doubles