competitive_discussion

[polar canyon]

I can probably handle it

[solid frigate]

idk i might run Pelipper for my Terapagos Team but then again,Prankster Tailwind/Taunt/Rain Dance is kinda tempting for me to stay

[molten oasis]

toilet bird is very good

[polar canyon]

The never miss hurricane and 100 bp stab weather ball are nice

[solid frigate]

yeah i am just a bit torn should i use Pelipper or Torn

[polar canyon]

In gen 8 I think I once tried specs pelipper

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ea1ac8b99512fbaf koraidon team pt2, any thoughts?

[polar canyon]

It hits really hard

[timber falcon]

im a fan of specs pelli

seen it b4 in get 9

[dull ibex]

hello

[polar canyon]

Hey

[timber falcon]

muddy water spam goes hard

yellow

[polar canyon]

100 bp rain boosted stab goes hard

[timber falcon]

weather ball sheesh

[polar canyon]

Does kyogre get weather ball?

[dapper crag]

Kyogre's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Dive, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Origin Pulse, Round, Scald, Sheer Cold, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyogre.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

nope

[polar canyon]

Would be cool

I'm not a big kyogre fan but adding consistency to the game is always nice

100 accuracy

[timber falcon]

would be like a more consistent hydropump

[polar canyon]

The pokemon is very connected to weather too

[timber falcon]

true. Both are, though groudon not getting fire STAB without primal seems like a robbery to me

same deal with koraidon

[polar canyon]

It gets the water damage reduction

Which is very fitting

For that guy that wants to get rid of oceans

[timber falcon]

true but since my 1st mainline game was swsh i never got to experience them

and im jealous of those who have

[polar canyon]

Alpha sapphire

I started with y

Little 10 year old me didn't know the difference between special and physical

[timber falcon]

true pokemon starter experience

[polar canyon]

I thought all normal type moves were physical and the rest was special

[timber falcon]

Base power > everyhing for me back in the day lol

[solid frigate]

same-

And somehow i always Put Hydro Pump on Gyarados till this day

[polar canyon]

It almost makes sense since they use magical elements

It's very special

When a pokemon makes lightning comes out of its fist

[timber falcon]

i remember in lets go my complete dissapointment after fire blast did so bad on gyarados

[solid frigate]

I did give it Waterfall,Crunch,Dragon Dance so yeah

[polar canyon]

Well why did it have hydro pump over surf

[solid frigate]

at least i give D-Dance and Waterfall for Gyarados

[timber falcon]

yeah status was trash to me lol

moves that didnt do damage werent there

[solid frigate]

i think i give Mixed attack set for Dragapult lol

[timber falcon]

only in sv did i realise spatck and attack were completely seperate lol

[polar canyon]

I like that sv actually tells the player that one boost is 50%

[solid frigate]

Dragon Dance,Dragon Darts,Shadow Ball and Thunderbolt

[polar canyon]

You have to go very out of your way tho

It's the math class in the academy

[timber falcon]

lol

[polar canyon]

I did it because you get free candy in the end

[craggy dagger]

i guess i’m slowly easing into vgc again

[timber falcon]

i think im addicted

[solid frigate]

someone tell me to run Night Slash Over dark pulse for Greninja

And i was Like:

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 658: Greninja

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Protean (Hidden), Battle Bond (Special)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/95/67/103/71/122

Total

530

Other Formes

Greninja-Bond, Greninja-Ash

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

Ass

[timber falcon]

greninja looks so bad oml

[solid frigate]

i feel bad for my froggy

[timber falcon]

i thought it was good at some point?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 658: Greninja-Ash

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Battle Bond

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/145/67/153/71/132

Total

640

Base Species

Greninja

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

It was good before cinderace

In singles

[solid frigate]

good for Gen 6 and thats it.

[polar canyon]

I wish I used cinccino in reg f

[solid frigate]

i rather this to be Mega Greninja's Stats more than Ash Greninja

[polar canyon]

It looks cool

One of the 2 mons that still have tail slap

[timber falcon]

ash greninja = mega greninja though right?

similar state at least

[solid frigate]

it is but it become like Pre Palafin

[polar canyon]

Ambipom was robbed

[solid frigate]

Darkrai:

[polar canyon]

It literally has hands for tails

[timber falcon]

darkrai was murdered lol

[polar canyon]

Why can't it tail slap

[solid frigate]

bro did nothing and got his Move nerfed

and With Smogon Banning Sleep

ITS EVEN WORSE

[polar canyon]

Wasn't darkrai a big thing this gen in ou? That's something

Because of hypnosis

[timber falcon]

bro i was gonna start playing some OU but they banned sleep, why?

it aint that deep

[polar canyon]

I can see why they banned sleep if people started using hypnosis darkrai and valiant

That's so much rng

[craggy dagger]

it was?

[timber falcon]

is it not avoidable?

[solid frigate]

Amoonguss become almost Irrelevant

[polar canyon]

Exactly

[solid frigate]

in OU

[timber falcon]

yeah thats what i disliked

[solid frigate]

and also

[timber falcon]

making a mon irrlevant doesnt seem like balancing to me, especially when its all it can do

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is Banned in OU

LIKE WHY???

[polar canyon]

If you went into it with the intent to spam sleep you didn't have good intentions

[dapper crag]

Ability: Insomnia

This Pokemon cannot fall asleep. Gaining this Ability while asleep cures it.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

surely there are more abilities too that stop sleep

[polar canyon]

Now tell me what good mons have this

[solid frigate]

Mewtwo Y.

[polar canyon]

I can think of annihilape with vital spirit and that's it

[solid frigate]

i think its only Mewtwo Y who has the Exact ability

[timber falcon]

gholdengo

[polar canyon]

Amoonguss can still spam toxic

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 150: Mewtwo-Mega-Y

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Insomnia

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/150/70/194/120/140

Total

780

Base Species

Mewtwo

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

It's pretty good in singles

[timber falcon]

oh yeah forgot abt that

also has synthesis

[solid frigate]

ok wait a minute.

194????

[timber falcon]

i think#

[dapper crag]

Amoonguss's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Bide, Body Slam, Bullet Seed, Facade, Feint Attack, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Payback, Return, Rollout, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Stomping Tantrum

Special Moves

Absorb, Clear Smog, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Pollen Puff, Round, Sludge Bomb, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

After You, Attract, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Ingrain, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Rage Powder, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spore, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Toxic, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Amoonguss.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

yeah

[solid frigate]

at this point just give Mega Y 200 SpA

[polar canyon]

But it has 106 hp

Some stat is gonna be not multiple of 5

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 956: Espathra

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Opportunist, Frisk, Speed Boost (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/60/60/101/60/105

Total

481

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

ahem

[zealous badger]

anyone hav or know any good shadowrider teams?
i need some inspiration

[timber falcon]

What made lando-T usage drop so much

Same with heatran, I’m curious

[craggy dagger]

well heatran owes its drop to lando

iirc lando is still pretty common but methinks people are busy trying out new toys

[forest arrow]

Incin

[craggy dagger]

OH-
LANDO T

i thought you meant lando I

then yeah incin kinda killed lando T’s usage but also cause lando T doesn’t really have a good flying type physical stab

[solid frigate]

Tera Helped it,but Then again Indigo Disk DLC ruined Lando

[plain drum]

IS YOUR TEAMEVEN COMPLETE WITHOUT A700 HP MAX QUAKINGMAX AIRSTREAMINGLAND GENIE BREAKING THEMETA THEWAY POKEMON WAS MEANTTOBEPLAYED

[atomic mural]

how did I just learn an araquanid made top 12

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[plain drum]

I will never miss an opportunity to post this

Even if it’s annoying as fuck

[solid frigate]

i love it lol

[plain drum]

Been a good while though

[solid frigate]

i think thats just like the only Araquanid

[atomic mural]

still makes me happy

that one araquanid is placed higher than any caly shadow

[molten oasis]

If only

Aaaaanyway

How we doin

[solid frigate]

fair enough

I'm glad that Whimsicott won cuz there are more Tornadus than Whimsicott in Indiapolis

[atomic mural]

W

[atomic mural]

im stealing this team btw (I am #1 araquanid believer)

[solid frigate]

I always said Whimsicott is better than Tornadus in every way

Well except for rain dance but still

[molten oasis]

I love whims won a tournament but then when I go on ladder it’s lots of torn

[atomic mural]

because those people didnt watch peak pokemon gaming

[molten oasis]

Fr

[solid frigate]

i just love Whimsicott

like no matter if its good or not

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-get-real-pokemon-dance-grass-gif-26120457

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/smiles-whimsicott-gif-19923060

[timber falcon]

Isn’t it cause torn has better overall weather acces and stats? (Excluding speed)

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus

Type

Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Tornadus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Oh it actually has more defence nvm

[solid frigate]

and Whimsicott is a Pure little girl

yes i always refer whim as a girl

[molten oasis]

Bo3 anyone?

[solid frigate]

eh idk

[molten oasis]

You don’t have to

[elder python]

how to stop fluttetmane? sucker punch?

[timber falcon]

I would but I’m out of energy for today

[molten oasis]

No worries

[timber falcon]

Non consistent way of doing it

You can answer it but I don’t think u can actually stop it

[craggy dagger]

im down

[molten oasis]

Cool, gimme a few minutes

[craggy dagger]

ping me when readyy

[elder python]

why do so many people use ditto in ranked singles? what ev spread do they usually run?

[craggy dagger]

max hp max speed iirc scarf imposter

[elder python]

how do i stop koraidon and moraidon in singles ranked?

[molten oasis]

@craggy dagger user?

[craggy dagger]

HappyW on showdown ^o^

for anyone who wants to watch

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2120071536

[molten oasis]

ggs well played

[polar canyon]

Can you think about how powerful zacian crowned with a scarf is

[timber falcon]

The perfect lugia team is one I still can’t put my head around

[molten oasis]

i think redirection would help

i dont like the chi yu that much

[timber falcon]

Chi-yu doesn’t help that much yeah

[polar canyon]

Also when ditto copies zacian it copies the boost then copies the ability and gets another boost

So ditto turns into super zacian

[molten oasis]

it copies the boosts

and the ability yea

[craggy dagger]

wp wp

[timber falcon]

Yk maybe Wo chien reflect is gud for lugia, who knows

[molten oasis]

the team isnt bad

like at all

i just think it wants redirection

[craggy dagger]

yeah-
having setup without redirection is a bit weird

[polar canyon]

It's just mentioning those 2 in the same message

[molten oasis]

tofu suggested i go redirection on this team for the regi

which did nothing that set lol

[timber falcon]

I think lugias biggest weakness is physical defence ngl

[polar canyon]

2 pokemon I think are pretty cool looking but I know are complete goobers in the battlefield

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

No matter how much u calm mind it can bite u back

[polar canyon]

Lugia and wo chien

[molten oasis]

lugias weakness is having to set up 3 calm mind to not even kill a zacian lol

it doesn't hit very hard

[timber falcon]

It hits hard enough with 2 imo

[molten oasis]

still cannot believe that didnt kill

[polar canyon]

Just use lunala

[craggy dagger]

that was a +2 not +3

[timber falcon]

Got a few sweeps with lugia b4

[molten oasis]

oh it was only +2 then?

[polar canyon]

In gen 8 I can see it

[craggy dagger]

nvm it was +3

[molten oasis]

no you were +3 that game yea

[polar canyon]

Weakness policy dmax multiscale and airstream

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

zac built fucking different for that tho

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

I think if u wanna activate lugia, you gotta start off with some offensive threats to dwindle down opponents team

[molten oasis]

(i also have bulk on mine sooo)

[polar canyon]

Zac just is built different

[craggy dagger]

makes sense

[polar canyon]

Zacian is way too bulky for the offensive counterpart of the shield

[molten oasis]

when i pilot it yes

[craggy dagger]

i mean...
sableye

[molten oasis]

could easily go grimmsnarl

as well, if you wanted to

[craggy dagger]

i like having wisp to deal with ice rider

[timber falcon]

Same

[polar canyon]

Then they tera fire

[molten oasis]

thats totally fair

[craggy dagger]

prio wisp-

[molten oasis]

ok but then they use up their tera

which you take advantage of

[craggy dagger]

most of the ones i face are like-
tera water

[polar canyon]

Wild I haven't ever seen that

[timber falcon]

What?

[molten oasis]

i might take this honestly, to naic

[timber falcon]

Isn’t Tera water the most common

[molten oasis]

IF it continues to feel good

[craggy dagger]

it looks good imo

[molten oasis]

i got the other team if not

zacian is obv not top tier but its good

[craggy dagger]

zac plays interesting though i feel like incin might be a big problem

[molten oasis]

thats the point of peli

[polar canyon]

Sableye is awesome

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

and drago to an extent

[craggy dagger]

fair enough-

[polar canyon]

I wanna use zacian + howl

[elder python]

what’s the point if scarf if u steal there ivs and evs?

[molten oasis]

you just need to have answers to it

[polar canyon]

They don't have a scarf, they have an useless item, and you have a scarf

[timber falcon]

Faster than them

[molten oasis]

i had rapid strike for a minute but wanted redirect for drago

[elder python]

couldn’t u put evs in ur ditto to make them faster…?

[polar canyon]

No

[molten oasis]

and i didn't want to drop rilla since there's a rise in miraidon rn

[timber falcon]

No

[polar canyon]

I mean yes but it doesn't matter when it transforms

[elder python]

confused

[molten oasis]

team prob good but we'll see

[polar canyon]

It copies everything about the pokemon except hp

[timber falcon]

Doesn’t ditto copy all evs except hp?

[elder python]

do u not add ditto evs?

[molten oasis]

ill build it ingame and play ladder

[elder python]

yah so why don’t u put 252 hp, 252 speed, and 6 attack?

[craggy dagger]

hp yeah

[molten oasis]

anyway ggs, hopefully you get that lugia team to work nova

[timber falcon]

Cause, it copies them

[molten oasis]

its solid

[polar canyon]

You add speed evs for very very specific but possible situations like neutralizing gas weezing stopping your imposter ability

[timber falcon]

Speed won’t do anything for its evs

[craggy dagger]

i like it.
ever since i saw the lugia i was kinda entranced

[elder python]

ohhhhh

[molten oasis]

what has it struggled with so far?

[elder python]

so ur evs don’t matter at all beside hp?

[craggy dagger]

im gonna go back to protect and test it out

[molten oasis]

if you go protect you could go lefties

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/292399b293660ae1
so far its...
been doing pretty well tbh
i think my problem is groudon MU's mostly

[elder python]

does nature matter for ditto?

[molten oasis]

groudon, hmm

[craggy dagger]

well groudon kyogre-
though its when i dont bring rilla

[polar canyon]

Just go for any speed one

[craggy dagger]

so that might be the problem xD

[polar canyon]

Ditto natures matter for breeding

[elder python]

for comp no tho right?

[molten oasis]

bring rilla

groudon mu shouldn't be too hard

[timber falcon]

Doesn’t groudon just body rilla in most cases

[craggy dagger]

yeah ofc-
its just for your game i kinda figured you'd set the grass for me xD

[polar canyon]

The point of speed on ditto is very very specific situations where imposter can't activate

[molten oasis]

true lol

[elder python]

huh…?

[molten oasis]

but for groudon and kyogre you should take rilla

[craggy dagger]

ofc

[polar canyon]

Basically you almost don't have to care

[molten oasis]

especially kyogre

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[elder python]

ok

[molten oasis]

i could see bolt working ok on this and just being a nusiance

[craggy dagger]

i kinda like covert-
i can calm mind in front of a FO user

[molten oasis]

but also i think you want redirection

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

yea makes sense, just an option

i think wellspring fits ok

[timber falcon]

Wellspring and lugia worked for me

[molten oasis]

groudon doesn't love wellspring too much

[craggy dagger]

oo actually yeah wellspring could work

[molten oasis]

you still hurt with ivy cudgel

[polar canyon]

Does it get expanding force?

[molten oasis]

lugia? idk

[timber falcon]

No

I tried that

[craggy dagger]

lugia?
no-
and you wouldnt get the terrain boost anyways cause flying type

[molten oasis]

ye

[timber falcon]

U could Tera but that’s not worth it cause of dark shifu and Incin

[polar canyon]

Does it not even get the spread and increased bp effect?

[dapper crag]

Move: Floral Healing

The target restores 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded half up. If the terrain is Grassy Terrain, the target instead restores 2/3 of its maximum HP, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Targets

Any adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 7

Move Flags

​

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

does this go through protect?

[timber falcon]

Probably not

[molten oasis]

also man imma be honest

[polar canyon]

I wish pollen puff was affected by triage

[molten oasis]

i dont really click swords dance on zac lol

its just there

[polar canyon]

Someday youll wish you had it

[molten oasis]

imma keep it for now cuz it could matter yea

[craggy dagger]

no i already tested it on someone else xD

[molten oasis]

cool

[polar canyon]

Someday you'll also wish you had something else over sd too

[cyan smelt]

Lugia good? Pog

[molten oasis]

thats just part of the game

its alright, its really annoying to take down

[timber falcon]

Sadly lugia is not very good

[craggy dagger]

wymmmm

[polar canyon]

Something funny is that bulletproof prevents you from being healed by pollen puff

[cyan smelt]

What does Lugia do against calydow

[molten oasis]

with healing you can do some stuff with lugia

[polar canyon]

Or it was some other ability

[craggy dagger]

well its not the best tbf

[molten oasis]

i DO think terapagos is better

but lugia isnt bad

[timber falcon]

I say this with it being tied my no.1 Pokémon with a broken heart

Very hard to optimise

[craggy dagger]

multiscale and at least +1 kinda tickles

[polar canyon]

I still have some mild hope for ho-oh

[molten oasis]

lmao

[craggy dagger]

add screens and you take almost nothing

[molten oasis]

if you're saying it tickles uhh

thats not a good sign

[craggy dagger]

oh oh

[polar canyon]

How about glacial lance

[craggy dagger]

you meant against-
whoops

[molten oasis]

lol

[timber falcon]

Which Tera is best for lugia

[craggy dagger]

uhhh
it does okay...

[craggy dagger]

rn im running fairy-

[molten oasis]

you have incin

and sableye to help with the mu

[timber falcon]

Fairy is good true. But what does it do against rapid strike

[polar canyon]

Better have a way to deal with armor tail

[craggy dagger]

kay had some help but like-
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2119936266

[molten oasis]

yea, incin kek

[polar canyon]

I need to use a restricted that goes well with sableye

[craggy dagger]

lugia-

[polar canyon]

Love that little evil guy

Maybe I could just run terapagos

[craggy dagger]

screens up and lugia kinda-
chills

[polar canyon]

I like it more for the quash encore disable wisp

[craggy dagger]

oh

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-rapid-strike-surging-strike-pokemon-tower-of-waters-gif-23032736

[craggy dagger]

dont think crits ignore screens do they?

[polar canyon]

They do

[timber falcon]

Pretty sure they do

[craggy dagger]

okay wtf

[dapper crag]

Move: Reflect

For 5 turns, the user and its party members take 0.5x damage from physical attacks, or 0.66x damage if in a Double Battle. Damage is not reduced further with Aurora Veil. Critical hits ignore this effect. It is removed from the user's side if the user or an ally is successfully hit by Brick Break, Psychic Fangs, or Defog. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Light Clay. Fails if the effect is already active on the user's side.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Rapid strike was one of my “yeah I dead” mons with Lugia

[craggy dagger]

nvm then

comfey has TR for a reason though

[polar canyon]

Then how about single strike

[timber falcon]

Tera fairy

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah

[timber falcon]

Ogerpon was there, but it can only redirect for so long

And usually they keep shifu at the back as a win con

[polar canyon]

That's what shifu does

[timber falcon]

Mhm

[polar canyon]

I remember back when I was against using the really good meta myself

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/you-fool-gigantamax-urshifu-gigantamax-lapras-max-guard-gmax-rapid-flow-gif-10877920427716960457

Lo I just found that

[craggy dagger]

id always go random bs

[polar canyon]

Now nah if I wanna use something specific that I like I'll use it along with urshifu incin

[solid frigate]

I love this so much lol

[timber falcon]

Same lol

[craggy dagger]

as shown by whatever the hell this is https://pokepast.es/722f36e8007b6d27

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pkm-pokemon-jump-oh-no-terminalmontage-gif-17858029

[polar canyon]

That could be worse

[solid frigate]

Solgaleo teams when they see a Moongeist Beam from Lunala/Dawn Wing

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-nathan-fillion-castle-stumped-gif-5469000

[craggy dagger]

problem is it actually kinda-
did well xD

[timber falcon]

It’s interesting that’s for sure

[craggy dagger]

i went 20-5 W/L

[timber falcon]

What-

[craggy dagger]

before i went to make something else

[foggy lodge]

oh dios mío

[timber falcon]

How did cinderace not get shut down by Incin

[polar canyon]

Suicune is cool

[solid frigate]

ah yes

Conderace.

[polar canyon]

Band stab low kick?

Even through the -1

[craggy dagger]

id mostly lead mienshao suicune so i'd cc then i have the chance-
but banded stab lowkick is enough to bring it into icy wind/snarl cleanup range

[foggy lodge]

This is not pokemon competitive but anyone would play smash? I have a tournament on friday at my school lol

[solid frigate]

When Greninja is good in Smash compare to Pokemon

[polar canyon]

It's pokemon competitive if you main a pokemon

[timber falcon]

Yk I actually can see the cinderace team doing ok

[polar canyon]

Just play incineroar

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Incineroar:good on both.

[foggy lodge]

Pokemon Trainer

[solid frigate]

Greninja

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[polar canyon]

So charizard

[foggy lodge]

Mainly Ivysaur

Lettuce dog

[polar canyon]

Frog

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-7540590045946416703

[polar canyon]

Lettuce toad

[solid frigate]

that works

[craggy dagger]

that cinderace can live some...
interesting things...
252+ Atk Choice Banded Stomping Tantrum from Dragonite: [252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Cinderace: 90-107 (51.1 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]
252+ proto SpA moonblast from Flutter: [252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 164 HP / 68 SpD Cinderace: 137-162 (77.8 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]

[timber falcon]

Wait wait wait wait wait

[craggy dagger]

[252+ Atk Urshifu Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Tera Fairy Cinderace on a critical hit: 84-102 (47.7 - 57.9%) -- approx. 91.4% chance to 2HKO]
[252+ Atk Urshifu Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Tera Fairy Cinderace in Rain on a critical hit: 129-153 (73.2 - 86.9%) -- approx. 2HKO]

[solid frigate]

Damn.

[timber falcon]

I’ve looked closer

There’s not a single damn protect

[craggy dagger]

correct

[polar canyon]

Damn who's using max modest booster mane

[craggy dagger]

idk but i had to prepare ig

[timber falcon]

You have 1 pice of tempo control

[craggy dagger]

better to overprepare in this scenario

[craggy dagger]

wym?

[polar canyon]

Hey there's snarl suicune and snarl archaludon

[timber falcon]

Fake out

And then no prot, it’s succes is a miracle to me

[solid frigate]

why do i see Greninja pairing with Shadow Rider lol

[craggy dagger]

what about it-

[polar canyon]

Snarl does also help stop things snowball out of control

[timber falcon]

Mostly cause there’s no protect at all, I’m befuddled

[craggy dagger]

remember this was early/mid reg F

[polar canyon]

And follow me

[timber falcon]

Oh forgot this was probs reg F

[craggy dagger]

lmao-

i would not have enough courage to play this in reg G

[polar canyon]

Follow me swords dance Oger is funny

I usually pick between the 2

[molten oasis]

you have both what?

[craggy dagger]

if you can predict SD moments-
it sweeps

[timber falcon]

I mean after sword dance they’re gonna attack u anyway

[craggy dagger]

drago you've seen this team a million times

[molten oasis]

have i?

[craggy dagger]

cinderace?

[molten oasis]

i dont remember that

[polar canyon]

Well after follow me they're gonna attack you too

[timber falcon]

Sd waterpon with no spikey shield

[craggy dagger]

^^

[molten oasis]

...ah

[timber falcon]

Win win situation

[molten oasis]

i hate that

[craggy dagger]

i managed to get SD of safely way too many times

[molten oasis]

nice, i just hate no protect on ogerpon lol

[craggy dagger]

yeah i understand-
i was being delulu then

[timber falcon]

Wym drago oger doesn’t normally run protect

[craggy dagger]

it was my-
fuck the meta im doing my own thing phase

[polar canyon]

It happens

[molten oasis]

lol

[polar canyon]

I mean you did use ogerpon

[molten oasis]

you're high asf lol

[polar canyon]

I think the joke is that it has spiky shield

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

ok i meant spiky shield

[timber falcon]

I mean I also said protect lol

[molten oasis]

i didn't necesarilly mean protect the move lol

[polar canyon]

Akshually

Protect and spiky shield are different moves

[bold geode]

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[polar canyon]

You can't use imprison on protect and stop it

Cant believe you'd think that

[timber falcon]

Got a point though

And spiky shield takes 1/8 hp if hit by a contact move

I think it’s 1/8

[craggy dagger]

1/16

[polar canyon]

It's so funny when you get kills from spiky shield

[dapper crag]

Move: Spiky Shield

The user is protected from most attacks made by other Pokemon during this turn, and Pokemon making contact with the user lose 1/8 of their maximum HP, rounded down. This move has a 1/X chance of being successful, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

4

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

nvm-

[timber falcon]

My intellectual prowess has never failed me

[craggy dagger]

mine are failing me atm TwT

[polar canyon]

Yall ever lost to a triple protect

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

Luckily no

[polar canyon]

I haven't I just watched it

Agency L

[solid frigate]

i;m not better ;-;

[timber falcon]

I alsmost did once lol it was final 1v1 and they got a Tripple spiky shield almost KO me

[solid frigate]

not really

[polar canyon]

I once won a singles game because I knew a failed protect would save me

[timber falcon]

How?

[polar canyon]

It was a discord tournament game in gen 8

Protect has priority even if it fails

So fishious rend went last

And it died to toxic

I felt pretty smart after that

[molten oasis]

akshually stfu

[timber falcon]

Every so often I look at the simplicity of the name campfire and the campfire pfp, just wanted to mention that very nice

[craggy dagger]

doesnt rend do more if you go first

[polar canyon]

Rend does more when the user goes first

[craggy dagger]

ohhh

[polar canyon]

The user was the opponent

[dapper crag]

Move: Fishious Rend

Power doubles if the user moves before the target.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

DOUBLES?

[polar canyon]

That's why dracovish was a beast

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

BOOSTED BY JAWS?

[polar canyon]

Which dracovish has

[timber falcon]

Gamefreak in gen 8 man

[solid frigate]

yep if Dracovish is in SV base Game,Palafin does not have a Chance

[polar canyon]

There was some calc of it ohkoing toxapex in rain

[craggy dagger]

yup

[timber falcon]

Disgusting damage output

[molten oasis]

is it more than miraidon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 882: Dracovish

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Water Absorb, Strong Jaw, Sand Rush (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/90/100/70/80/75

Total

505

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

that is such an unapealing mon at first glance lol

[solid frigate]

bro has 90 Attack.

And it does that much.

[polar canyon]

In rain probably

[timber falcon]

In rain I think so

[foggy lodge]

Too bad that some of you don't know spanish but this was funny

[polar canyon]

Electro drift calc

[craggy dagger]

a lot more iirc

[molten oasis]

yeesh

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 353-416 (103.5 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

yep it can OHKO Spcs Miraidon

[polar canyon]

Tera water dracovish

[foggy lodge]

I miss Dracovish

I miss all fossils

[timber falcon]

But does it do more on neautral

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 264-312 (77.4 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Without Tera

[foggy lodge]

Another region without fossils

[polar canyon]

I like omastar

Shell smash omastar was funny in singles

I played a lot more singles back then

[craggy dagger]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon in Rain: 355-418 (104.1 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Ah wait i forgot that Bastiodon and Rampardos are in the game

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Palkia: 133-156 (34.6 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Btw here's against Palkia

[polar canyon]

How you getting a tera water dracovish

[craggy dagger]

idk

[solid frigate]

Gen 9

[craggy dagger]

i was boreddddddddd

[polar canyon]

Rain probably boosts it more tho

[solid frigate]

also National Dex exists

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 882: Dracovish

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Water Absorb, Strong Jaw, Sand Rush (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/90/100/70/80/75

Total

505

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

its in the rain too

[foggy lodge]

That's just 90???

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah it comes last in the text

[polar canyon]

170 base power move

[molten oasis]

good bulk tho

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Palkia in Rain: 199-235 (51.8 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Slap a Tailwind and you get this.

[molten oasis]

THATS A PALKIA

[dapper crag]

Move: Fishious Rend

Power doubles if the user moves before the target.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Bite

Boosted by Strong Jaw.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Forget Ash's Strongest Pokemon is Pikachu,this is THE Strongest Ash mon

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew in Rain: 420-495 (240 - 282.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew in Electric Terrain: 250-295 (142.8 - 168.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

How much does strong jaw boosts

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah with strong jaw it's over 200 base power too

[timber falcon]

Draco almost double the output

[foggy lodge]

Is like sharpness?

[polar canyon]

30%

[solid frigate]

YES ASH OWNS A DRACOVISH WITH FISHIOUS REND STRONG JAW

[foggy lodge]

no fucking way

[molten oasis]

aw hell nah

[foggy lodge]

I thought it was 50%

[timber falcon]

Gamefreak ain’t lost it that much

[polar canyon]

They did with transistor regieleki

Now it was nerfed

[timber falcon]

Gen 8 wasn’t their best try at a balanced metagame

[polar canyon]

They also lost their minds with calyrex but that's something else

[timber falcon]

Not to mention the skyscraper Pokemon

[polar canyon]

The bad design of gen 8 competitive still has consequences now

[foggy lodge]

That gen's power creep was horrible

[polar canyon]

The worst thing is they probably made calyrex insanely broken on purpose

[foggy lodge]

Gen 8 has to be the most unbalanced meta of all

[polar canyon]

So comp players need dlc

[foggy lodge]

30 dollars

Had to be justified

[polar canyon]

For the strongest pokemon ever

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Dialga: 228-268 (56.5 - 66.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[foggy lodge]

The worst thing is that the union reins are a key item

[timber falcon]

Rain?

[solid frigate]

yep

[foggy lodge]

And you can't trade an already fused Calyrex

[solid frigate]

Nope not rain

[timber falcon]

More than I expected

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah so in gen 8 you really did need the dlc

[foggy lodge]

And the only way to get union reins is buying the DLC

[polar canyon]

Now you get them from auctions right?

[foggy lodge]

Yep

[timber falcon]

Mhm

[foggy lodge]

Anywas Union reins should be a held item

[polar canyon]

Very true

[timber falcon]

Idk

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 240 HP / 156+ Def Giratina-Origin: 207-245 (41.3 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Giratina

[timber falcon]

Can’t be trading those things about

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex-Ice is just so problematic because of Clear Amulet

[polar canyon]

If rusty sword and shield are held items then reins of union should be

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 240 HP / 156+ Def Giratina-Origin in Rain: 416-490 (83 - 97.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

Fusion items are never healed items though

[solid frigate]

Giratina ain't stood a chance-

[polar canyon]

These specific ones should be

[timber falcon]

Sheesh

Cause of clear am?

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Palkia in Rain: 266-313 (69.2 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Forgot about this

[polar canyon]

And because they're broken

[solid frigate]

YEP 2HKO.

[foggy lodge]

Gen 4 legendaries still need their item

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t say broken

[foggy lodge]

Like wtf

[polar canyon]

How about gastrodon

[timber falcon]

That’s quad weak……

[polar canyon]

Calyrex isn't broken?

[solid frigate]

Storm Drain,but i can do non storm drain lol

[timber falcon]

Broken is the wrong term

[polar canyon]

Overpowered

[timber falcon]

Also wrong term

I’d say they’re just very good

And optimal

[polar canyon]

Too good

[solid frigate]

you thought Miraidon can nuke things,Dracovish literally murders

It's literally can tear through teams that does not have Storm Drain or Water Absorb.

[timber falcon]

Nah not “too” good

[patent marsh]

They're restricted for a reason but they do need some balancing on their signature move being spread moves with no draw backs

[solid frigate]

JUST WITH ONE TAILWIND.

[polar canyon]

I don't think they're good to the point they're like unfair in battle but they're good to the point it's unfair that you need another game + dlc to use it

[timber falcon]

I mean we got wide guard

[patent marsh]

The problem isn't we got wide guard but overall long term game balance is really messed up if they keep it like this

[polar canyon]

Even if you do have the dlcs and games you have to admit it's unfair in this sense

I have the dlc and game

[timber falcon]

Calys looking kinda regular atm though, just gotta have a pretty consistent answer

For me at least

[polar canyon]

And for the argument of just trade, try finding a good trade offer for 0 speed calyrex

Game freak knows what they did

[timber falcon]

They’ll be searching for centuries

Giving up one is tough in itself

[solid frigate]

also just a fact,Ash's Draco vish has Strong Jaw+Fishious Rend

He can just sweep teams with just this Pokemon lol

[polar canyon]

Didn't have choice scarf

So it's more of a wallbreaker

Do choice items even exist in the anime

[solid frigate]

i don't think so but still tho

just slap his Dragonite with Tailwind and it can delete teams

[polar canyon]

How does the fishious rend logic even work if battles in the anime aren't turn based

[patent marsh]

None only mega stones

[solid frigate]

and Z-crystals

[strange fjord]

Based of natural speed/who hits first ig

[patent marsh]

Anime z crystals is held by the trainer not pokemon

[polar canyon]

I remember the one episode in bw where they had to find never melt ice and a twisted spoon

[strange fjord]

and farfetch'd/sirfetch's leeks

[gentle crag]

pizza.time has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[strange fjord]

huh

[solid frigate]

funny thing is that Dragonite got Send back into the Pokeball by Dragapult's Dragon Tail but Noivern got hit by the same move From Salamence and does not phaze

WHATS ARE THE RULES DAMN IT

[patent marsh]

Yea held items do exist but they don't use it in battle probably cause it would be extremely odd

To try and have it be mentioned during battle

[strange fjord]

noivern just locked in

[patent marsh]

Like we didn't have abilities mentioned properly until masters journey took a huge job at always keeping track of it

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash: 162-192 (56.8 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yep that does not kill,how did Greninja die to that

he does not even got any damage from it

[molten oasis]

super ultra mega crit

[strange fjord]

somewhere in gen 3 pikachu's static paralyzed a pokemon i believe

[molten oasis]

ash got robbed gen 6

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja-Ash on a critical hit: 244-288 (85.6 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[patent marsh]

I did say properly for a reason

[molten oasis]

he got the 12%

[patent marsh]

It was always on and off about abilities being mentioned prior

Only mentioned it when it was convenient for ash to win lmao

[solid frigate]

the fact that Greninja blocked the Thunder Punch with Water Shuriken so he is basically 100% HP lol

[molten oasis]

yuh

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Water Shuriken (20 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 192-228 (64.6 - 76.7%) -- approx. 2HKO

And Greninja can just flat out did this

Damn it Anipoke

[strange fjord]

dont remember greninja wearing some cool glasses

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

252 SpA Greninja-Ash Water Shuriken (20 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 126-153 (42.4 - 51.5%) -- approx. 4.3% chance to 2HKO

that made me cope and salty so i just make a new form for Greninja lol

[strange fjord]

yeah greninja aint winning the battle against zard x

[solid frigate]

i literally made new form for Greninja for absolutely no reason but eh whatever

[foggy lodge]

Top 40 with Murkrow

Unironically, Murkrow is not so bad in this format

It's inmune to taunt

[solid frigate]

Damn

Watch me just run Prankster Tailwind Murkrow

[foggy lodge]

This is the team o dios mío

[craggy dagger]

mmmm

[solid frigate]

honestly tho

even with Smeragle in this team,I am quite interested on it

[foggy lodge]

It seems really intersting

It's an instruct Smeargle

[solid frigate]

yeah is it gonna spam on Caly S?

[foggy lodge]

Probably on Regidrago

Tera Dragon Dragon Fang Dragon Energy destroys

[solid frigate]

true

unless Flutter Mane

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger you stink

:<

[craggy dagger]

:T

did i do something wrong-

[chrome knot]

i dunno

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

turtle

[polar canyon]

It looks anime

Like it's literally manga

But it's the eyes

What is that called

It's the anime sparkly eyes

[solid frigate]

make sense for Terapagos tho

still its a funni turtle

[elder python]

how to counter koraidon

i didn’t know tera fire would beat primarina

[molten oasis]

pelipper

prima got paper defense unfortunately

[elder python]

found that the hard way lmao

[elder python]

ooh yah and drizzle

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120208748

im cooking a menace in CS

they definitely got fucking spooked by T1

[cyan smelt]

Is that scarf lando?

[charred saddle]

yes

[cyan smelt]

Nice

[molten oasis]

Scarf lando I is funny asf lol

[charred saddle]

if they didnt have whim i can do even a crazier thing, ground tera sandsear with kyogre or just normal raindance torn

or just still ep and belakwind

[molten oasis]

kek

[fluid fiber]

What are people's thoughts on swapping out Clefairy for Wo-chien with snarl + pollen puff to reset the tera shell? https://pokepast.es/14c2b223007790ed

Might also swap Ogerpon because it's dying quickly and not dishing out decent damage to the bigger threats

[charred saddle]

i think u can even do amoonguss

pollen puff + ragepowder redirecting CC shifu resist and surging, and also can deter opposing TR team

[fluid fiber]

True, but the lowering of attack helps a lot with some important calcs

Glacial lance EATS without a drop

[charred saddle]

with wo chien ur basically stacking weaknesses

3 SE to fighting, 3 SE to flying

rilla waterpon wo chien

wochien terapagos incineroar

[fluid fiber]

With a swap of Ogerpon it'd reduce that

But fighting yeah

[charred saddle]

opnly one of it

well i mean go ahead and try, dont really have an experience witth wo chien

[fluid fiber]

Any suggestions for Ogerpon though

[charred saddle]

just dont see any good reason for it, when u already have incin

waterpon wise idk

[fluid fiber]

It beats out the reliance on clear amulet

And heals

So I don't always need to rely on incin against things like Fairy-rider and Kyogre

[charred saddle]

wo chien still is threatened by both riders tho

glacial or even like tera fairy, tera fighting shadow rider

[fluid fiber]

And coming off of Indanapolis does specs pagos seem better overall

[mighty stump]

Wo Chien doesnt do what Clefairy does at all

[charred saddle]

i eman u can tera it but ur wasting tera on basically just support pollen puff

which is kinda off for me

[mighty stump]

2nd point less relevant at the moment

maybe Tera Fairy

[fluid fiber]

Both protect Pagos and reset its ability, but Wo-chien also offers snarl to drop SpA and damage against riders with foul play - while Clefairy has better immediate guarding and redirection

[mighty stump]

Tera Fighting is still a meme

[mighty stump]

• Calm Mind exists
• Redirection value is huge
• It already has a positive matchup into both riders

Fixing a problem that doesn’t exist

[charred saddle]

huh really? doesnt it do almost similar to it? resists dark, neutral to ghost and also SE Blast to incin or dark
i mean on the cost of weaknesses to psychic and flying

[mighty stump]

Fairy type also has the better value out of actually stopping Terapagos’ one weakness which is Fighting

Redirection prevents double ups that can break through Tera Shell

[mighty stump]

Not a fan if you have to reveal a Psychic in the mirror + at least Tera Fairy gives you sustain through Draining Kiss and is better offensively

and I don’t always want to blow Tera cause it opens you up to FO

So thats just in general

Id rather play around Incin lol

[charred saddle]

hmm

makes a lot of sense

[mighty stump]

And after you get boosts you can just steamroll resists

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

have no experience on CSR either

[fluid fiber]

Also Tofu

Thoughts on Specs Pagos?

[mighty stump]

Meh

[charred saddle]

oh no

[mighty stump]

Its immediate payout

So like you xan run away with the game with it

If the opp didnt plan around it

But Specs Terapagos essentially tells me you dont have an ability

[charred saddle]

b-but.... HYPERBEAM

[mighty stump]

70% usgae Incin means youre guaranteed to not move one of the turns and you can just get FO cycled

[charred saddle]

ngl the hyperbeam turtle is cool as hell

[fluid fiber]

This was the 2nd place team at the recent tourney

[mighty stump]

I am aware

[fluid fiber]

It def showed it's limitations in the final round though

[mighty stump]

Its still a semi positive matchup into Miraidon

Zheng just didnt bring Amoonguss R1

and misplayed G3

I still prefer actually gaining value from Tera Shell cause after one CM you basically have Specs

Ive outpaced a lot of Specs Pagos teams cause they couldnt keep up

[fluid fiber]

So you think definitely keeping Clefairy over any other support

[mighty stump]

Imo Clef is naturally the best support for Terapagos

aside from a Comfey

[fluid fiber]

What do you think of swapping out Waterpon though?

And would Comfey be better than Clef

[molten oasis]

clef is better redirect for terapagos

[mighty stump]

Comfey doesn’t do what Clef does but either or depending on what you want

[molten oasis]

that defense and spD increase is so nice

[fluid fiber]

Was thinking this ^

[chrome knot]

Gholdengo

[mighty stump]

Clef also having access to After You is just nice

[molten oasis]

what about it?

[chrome knot]

spongebob

[fluid fiber]

^

[molten oasis]

[fluid fiber]

It's redirect isn't as strong as Celfairy's and can't get that major damage off

Thinking rn that it may be better to have another mon into that slot

But also good be a piloting flaw

[mighty stump]

Woud be natural to run Urshifu to deal with Zamas

[charred saddle]

i think main role of waterpon is just threatening lando I, then checks kyogre and watershifu

but dont feel really out of place

[cyan smelt]

just lost to a skill swap indeedee wtf

[mighty stump]

yeah skillswap indeedee is nice for resetting weather/terrain in certain scenarios

sometimes removes beneficial abilities too

[cyan smelt]

it skill swapped chlorophyll

[chrome knot]

omg i won a game @ an mss to skill swap cress

he tried predicting id trick room but im not stupid so i threw a rock @ tera fire cress & just won with +1 chlorophyll hh expanding forced lmao

[molten oasis]

nice

[cyan smelt]

how is smeargle faster than groudon

[molten oasis]

No speed groudon max speed smeargle

[mighty stump]

Groudon needs like nearly max spe to outspeed a Smeargle if its non-Jolly lol

[molten oasis]

groudon just runs max hp usually so

[cyan smelt]

i beat em, they skill swapped moody onto umbreon with smeargle lol

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/3b5f3450b5235e3c thoughts?

yes ik incin is very physically bulky

[cyan smelt]

beat a terapagos team

[strange fjord]

are you telling us to go beat a terapagos team or telling us you beat a terapagos team

[cyan smelt]

i beat one

now i'm facing the regional winning team

[strange fjord]

classic vgc

meta team then latest regional winner team

[dull ibex]

👀

[timber falcon]

With scarf Koraidon, do I go max speed?

To counter booster flutter

[mighty stump]

That's what I'd do

[cyan smelt]

i lost to the regional winning team

[strange fjord]

I mean, it did win a regional

[mighty stump]

Dw, so did a lot of people

Lmao

[strange fjord]

how is my fresh alt doing so far?

[mighty stump]

Terrible your GXE isnt 100%

Why isnt it 2000 elo

[strange fjord]

damn

[mighty stump]

Better luck next time nerd

[molten oasis]

you have losses? pathetic

just win every game

[mighty stump]

Why arent you playing VGC2098

[strange fjord]

[molten oasis]

format regulation 62

we got past letters

[mighty stump]

We ran out of the alphabet

[strange fjord]

i think the team is pretty solid. little variation from my bo3 team.

[mighty stump]

Not the LR RHyperior

[molten oasis]

not the hisui zoroark

[strange fjord]

damn, maybe thats why in not 2000 elo in 28 battles

[molten oasis]

the miraidon counters are everywhere

ie, rhyperior for whatever reason

[strange fjord]

slow and strong enough for tr

[molten oasis]

but like

[strange fjord]

underspeed caly ice

[molten oasis]

ursaluna cough

[strange fjord]

meh

[mighty stump]

I am trying a wack ass Caly build

[molten oasis]

ice or shadow

[mighty stump]

Shadow

[molten oasis]

why is it wack

[mighty stump]

Calyrex-Shadow @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Psyshock
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[molten oasis]

thats not that weird

oh wait sitrus

is a little weird

[strange fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651859815974436925/1181114080975667330/image0.gif?ex=657fe134&is=656d6c34&hm=655c1bc8217aee05267cb9927a7319dc85c963dca854607942dd1949feb77fcb&

[cyan smelt]

god i hate coaching with caly-i

[strange fjord]

calyrex hired a coach to win games

thought that was against pokemon play rules smh

[cyan smelt]

oh great now caly-s with weezing

[knotty mirage]

Does as one still not affected by neutralizing gas ?

[strange fjord]

it should

[cyan smelt]

it's not

[knotty mirage]

Oh no wonder there so many weezing caly s team well that's kinda bs

[cyan smelt]

why did they make calyrex

[strange fjord]

calyrex is affected unless its holding an ability shield

[cyan smelt]

it can't suppress as one

[strange fjord]

oh shoot

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120267548-pzzt2wlmnchco232o0ib32sqzps8o4jpw new alt new day of ruining low elo

[strange fjord]

damn

was looking for grim neigh but forgot it wraps up the abilities like a burrito in as one.

[mighty stump]

Yeah

Weezing Caly is funny

[molten oasis]

is that what youre doing

[mighty stump]

No

[molten oasis]

ah

[mighty stump]

I had the idea before the format started but I don't think its worth pursuing

[molten oasis]

its balance stuff i see

[knotty mirage]

It never get affected even on swsh so i think it's intentional unlike paradox ability

[molten oasis]

oh um, im finding success with zac and drago

[mighty stump]

Told u

[molten oasis]

its good

i like it

[mighty stump]

Fantasy core in 2

[molten oasis]

yea

i'll need to go get a regidrago but

thats not really a big deal

im gonna build this and play the ingame ladder

remainder of ingame ladder with it

i do wish draco was killing miraidon but i also have zac for it lol

(post tera electric)

[mighty stump]

Just outspeed

[molten oasis]

im not scarf rn lol

just got peli torn support

[molten oasis]

i mean, tw support

im so stupid lmfao

[strange fjord]

just tell regidrago to run faster

[molten oasis]

he doesn't have legs for running

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/regidrago.gif

[strange fjord]

that's your problem

[molten oasis]

you're right

i found groudon teams today

i beat both of them lol, they hate peli

[strange fjord]

love when pelipper start using wide guard when they see my terapagos on the field (i havent even tera'd yet)

[cyan smelt]

wtf i got beaten by a team with flutter mane with power gem and mystical fire

and a ditto

[patent marsh]

real

[molten oasis]

power gem isnt that weird, mystical fire is kinda weird tho

[strange fjord]

bro got cheesed by some silly

[molten oasis]

also ditto is good anti restricted stuff

[cyan smelt]

i hate ditto

[molten oasis]

you hate everything

[strange fjord]

get double restricted on the field

[patent marsh]

bro is a professional hater 😭 should be a youtuber

[mighty stump]

Ditto's Impostor doesn't trigger at all if Terapagos Teras btw

[molten oasis]

lmao

[strange fjord]

same with zoroark's disguise

[molten oasis]

so you just have a sitting duck on the field

[strange fjord]

but you know, only i am using zoroark lol

[cyan smelt]

it doesn't trigger if the target is behind sub either

[strange fjord]

it can transform into its ally if that happens

[dapper crag]

Move: Howl

Raises the Attack of the user and all allies 1 stage.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

40 (64)

Targets

All allies

Introduced

Generation 3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

does this bypass sub?

[mighty stump]

Well yeah

[strange fjord]

yeah i think so. haven't tried it

[molten oasis]

neat

[strange fjord]

but seems like it

[molten oasis]

just curious, might try gouging zac

with sub instead of swords dance

[strange fjord]

seen that to counteract intimidates

[mighty stump]

Truly a visionary

[molten oasis]

thats the point

[mighty stump]

Ground-breaking

[molten oasis]

im just built different (ik this has happened already)

oh

[strange fjord]

just give zacian a clear amulet 😉

[molten oasis]

literacy is dead and im the reason it is

cough

anyway i think for gouging zac id need amoonguss or fari cuz the tr mu is so bad for them

[pearl wind]

doesnt work

[molten oasis]

oh

thats lame

[pearl wind]

howl does not bypass sub, tried that already

[strange fjord]

whp neds to rype giid whem u undersand

[molten oasis]

nvm then

[pearl wind]

and parting shot goes through sub so its even worse with sub > sd

[molten oasis]

true yea

[mighty stump]

Damn

Sound move tho

That doesn't make sense wtf

[molten oasis]

although its hard to get a swords dance off with incin

literally that idea would be great otherwise

anyway imma go build this team

[strange fjord]

gl

[torn parrot]

it's like a paradox

how do you nuetralize an abiltiy with an ability that's been nuetralized

😳

[dapper crag]

Move: Wide Guard

The user and its party members are protected from moves made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn that target all adjacent foes or all adjacent Pokemon. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Rock

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[cyan smelt]

now wtf tera blast metagross

with water tera

[strange fjord]

neutralize the neutralizing gas to get regular gas. that's how that works right?

[mighty stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2120274170-sg9gcxu174qnopmuzt6uyzi4z0c2x9tpw You ever stall someone to the point they run out of Encore PP

Lmao

[cyan smelt]

i lost to the tera blast water metagross, wtf is that

[strange fjord]

they really wanted to encore you

[knotty mirage]

That's seem's normal on ladder i think i seen something like tera blast electric caly ice

[molten oasis]

that was a game

dude really wanted to encore

[strange fjord]

fr. bro needed to give it a second thought

[cyan smelt]

god why do i keep losing to these lower ranked players who are playing like they're wolfey

[balmy glen]

lol

[cyan smelt]

lost another one to a tr kyogre team

[mighty stump]

They had to

I wasnt particularly threatened by anything they had

so i could play pretty freely and click AB as a threat

If they didnt encore a turn they'd just flat out lose