competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

urshifu rapid out speeds

with scarf

[rustic mountain]

cause u want to be proactive w/ ur restricted not reactive. leave wide guard support to some other mon if u value it. those moves on lunala and zama are better in dual restricted when you have something else your protecting that can carry its weight

[solid frigate]

yeah but-
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 126-153 (72 - 87.4%) -- approx. 2HKO

its not even a OHKO

[timber falcon]

i mean, in a way, lunala is there for chi-yu helping more than chi-yu helps it

[cyan smelt]

What about tera water

[solid frigate]

Dude i am using The Turtle-

but here
252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 168-204 (96 - 116.5%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO

[timber falcon]

doesnt have to KO, doesnt invalidate it still, and tera water/rain kills, if you know that you can work round it

not 100% but still nice chances

[rustic mountain]

i think hyperfixating on one circumstance on a mon getting in a bad position is moot. the game is so nuanced and more detail oriented that it doesnt affectively showcase the entire picture of why a mon is strong or viable

if that mon is usually always in a bad position then yea it just sucks prolly

[timber falcon]

oh yeah, and booster energy flutter isnt invalidated by caly-s

[solid frigate]

"The Existence of Calyrex is the sole reason why Mienshao is not flipping Burgers right now"

--Moxie Boosted 2024

[solid frigate]

we'll see on 1 more day

[timber falcon]

lol i saw that like 1 hour ago

[rustic mountain]

invalidated nah, but it outclasses it as a ghost type. doesnt mean flutter still wont be used

1 takes a restricted slot and one doesnt

[solid frigate]

i love this quote

[timber falcon]

i mean logically, it just wont

[solid frigate]

make sense

[cyan smelt]

Mienshao is annoying to deal with, that's why I'm considering running mandibuzz because it's a dark type that's neutral to cc

[timber falcon]

what?

just run a fairy type fr

[cyan smelt]

No good fairy types except flutter

[timber falcon]

then run flutter

[molten oasis]

Erm actually

[upbeat quail]

Tera fairy raging bolt is the best fairy type

[timber falcon]

cant argue with that

[molten oasis]

Tera fsiry miraidon too

[solid frigate]

i love How GF made Calyrex busted AF but Make Terapagos Suprsingly Tame compare to Calyrex

DESPITE BEING BOTH DLC2 MONS.

[molten oasis]

Can’t forget Tera fairy volcarona

[timber falcon]

learned their lesson perhaps

[upbeat quail]

What’s the best counter to shadow rider

[timber falcon]

id say incin is one of the consistent ones

[molten oasis]

Not counter

[cyan smelt]

They didn't learn their lesson because they nerfed zacian, zamazenta, urshifu single and Regieleki but not calyrex

[molten oasis]

Answer

[timber falcon]

answer, not counter

[molten oasis]

Anyway, any dark type

[rustic mountain]

horse vs horse

[molten oasis]

Lunala is decent into it

[timber falcon]

gamble

[molten oasis]

Fari Luna is actually solid

Bloodmoon nukes things

It’s awesome

[timber falcon]

oh chi-yu is very nice into it

[solid frigate]

Terapagos idk,i lost to Caly S twice using it

[timber falcon]

it cant even hit u with its best move

[upbeat quail]

Thinking about running turbo blood moon

[timber falcon]

same

it sounds fun

[solid frigate]

Psy fucking SHOCK

[upbeat quail]

Idk where to start, other than bloodmoon

[rustic mountain]

it saw some success in reg f, idk how itll fair w/ reg g tho

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-smash-anime-fight-smack-down-gif-16720688

[rustic mountain]

idk if its the speed control u want w/ so many other faster tw comps

[solid frigate]

i have Incin btw

[timber falcon]

ive already seen booster caly-ice

[rustic mountain]

huh?

[upbeat quail]

Hmm, scarf bloodmoon it is then

[timber falcon]

it was horrible, i sent out slow mons to deal with tr to get the humbling of my life

[molten oasis]

Scarf Bloodmoon is throwing

[upbeat quail]

Don’t tell me bloodmoon doesn’t look good in a scarf. It’s just a cooler looking silk scarf

[rustic mountain]

what is booster caly ice

[upbeat quail]

logic

[rustic mountain]

booster energy is for paradox mons im not sure wat u mean by that

[timber falcon]

its an archetype, basically tr bait, like Bm ursaluna + tw torn

the same with caly-ice

[rustic mountain]

so just say max speed caly i booster is confusing

[timber falcon]

yeah i couldve been more clear

[rustic mountain]

yea ive seen some ppl run that in swsh tho

havent come across it in sv tho

[timber falcon]

really?

ive seen it frequently in reg F at least

[rustic mountain]

nah every one ive played is tr based

it wasnt in reg f tho

im talkin max speed caly ice

hence me saying swsh which bm ursa wasnt even released yet

[bold geode]

[timber falcon]

ohhhhhhh

[solid frigate]

Zamzenta higher than Zacian hype

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

don't question why Dawn Wings is A

[rustic mountain]

that tier list is a mess

[molten oasis]

Ky black is c

Dawn wings is b

[timber falcon]

idk

[bold geode]

Zamazenta go hard

[rustic mountain]

a+ is insane

[timber falcon]

who made this?

[molten oasis]

For what

[solid frigate]

I did-

[rustic mountain]

i hate tier lists tho

[timber falcon]

oh

[solid frigate]

cuz i am stupid

[molten oasis]

Very subjective yea

[bold geode]

Top 10 Dave fish

[rustic mountain]

wut

[bold geode]

https://youtu.be/HYbTcTRhVtg?si=tsn33lmJPsetpaqV

Goated tierlist video

[molten oasis]

Such a monke moment

[solid frigate]

also i am fine of Calyrex being nerfed cuz i just don't like how it plays

[bold geode]

Top 10 Monke moments

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[rustic mountain]

im not gna watch that

[bold geode]

Now THAT'S a video I wanna see

[rustic mountain]

did u see the video that vgc guy posted w/ rillas face over that guy with the huge wooden hammer

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/fuecoco-spin-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-27129083

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-spin-spinning-t-pose-meme-gif-23836943

[rustic mountain]

[timber falcon]

brain rot

[lofty tartan]

Yeah in an age where Joe Shmoe can just go to tier maker and slam out some random nonsense, tier lists are more ignorable than ever

[rustic mountain]

lmao

yea its just overdone

it feels like its lost its weight

[lofty tartan]

Oh 100%

[bold geode]

Huh

[rustic mountain]

come on man

[bold geode]

Send link

[rustic mountain]

that was a great description

[lofty tartan]

And even then like some teams are gonna be better than other teams with the same restricted because that team supports it better.

[rustic mountain]

lemme try nd find it

[lofty tartan]

So it's all REALLY subjective hyperbole

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[lofty tartan]

Like Calyrex-I is really insanely good in TR and much less so outside of it. There will be both archetypes - the TR ones will flourish while the non-TR ones languish.

[cyan smelt]

Isn't max speed tw caly I a thing though

[molten oasis]

The miraidon teams not abusing quark drive will be better

[rustic mountain]

@bold geode its lenvgc on twitter, jus go to his page. i cant link it cuz im not logged in

[lofty tartan]

A small thing that OTOT was talking about that I have not encountered.

And just because you can do a thing doesn't mean said thing is good.

[molten oasis]

Quark drive (as tofu said) is a trap

[lofty tartan]

Even with TW, Calyrex's speed tier isn't good.

[bold geode]

Understood sir

[solid frigate]

i just Slap Lando I and Entei into the team

[molten oasis]

Hearthflame is great with miraidon

[solid frigate]

agree

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon with overheat is also good

[bold geode]

OH I SAW THAT LMAO

[rustic mountain]

or a better player overpeforms w/ 1 and ppl think its better then wat it is

[molten oasis]

Yea dazzling gleam is kinda eh

[bold geode]

Real talk
How tf did he lift that hammer

[rustic mountain]

idk

[lofty tartan]

Yeah like super niche meta calls that end up making a splash, so everyone uses it, and then it's not that great anymore

[molten oasis]

Overheat is nice to remove amoonguss

[solid frigate]

its good against other Koraidon and Miraidon and thats it. and they will almost Certainly use the Tera

[cyan smelt]

And rilla

[timber falcon]

man i want a colourful name

[molten oasis]

Then get nitro

[solid frigate]

might run that

[molten oasis]

Even if amoonguss can’t sleep

It can still click rage powder

[timber falcon]

maybe

[solid frigate]

i can already see Miraidon doing Deforestation-

[molten oasis]

Admittedly overheat does make sense

It’s a robot

Robots overheat

[rustic mountain]

its also a dragon

[cyan smelt]

They really gave the dons all the coverage moves lol

[lofty tartan]

I'm a dargon

[solid frigate]

kek

[molten oasis]

No way you breathe fire?

[lofty tartan]

Legendaries usually get a good deal of coverage, at least to my knowledge. Look at Kyurem-W 🤷

Dude has some whacky coverage.

[cyan smelt]

Flame charge koraidon is better than flare blitz koraidon

[molten oasis]

True

[timber falcon]

meanwhile its counterpart

[solid frigate]

the coverage moves are nice

[rustic mountain]

jus run ogerpon or clefairy at that point. dont run a mon and take away one of its best attributes. just accept they dont work well together

[molten oasis]

What

No I was saying fighting not using

Using amoonguss on a Mirai team is throwing lol

[rustic mountain]

oh

[lofty tartan]

Kyurem-Black also has good coverage.

Flying, Rock, Dragon, Normal, Steel, Electric, Ice...

[rustic mountain]

lmao ok cool ya i jus misunderstood my b

[dapper crag]

Kyurem-Black's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Cut, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Fly, Freeze Shock, Frustration, Fusion Bolt, Giga Impact, Ice Fang, Icicle Spear, Iron Head, Outrage, Payback, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Freeze-Dry, Glaciate, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Sheer Cold, Signal Beam, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Confide, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyurem-Black.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[lofty tartan]

Oh. Ghost too

And Psychic

[molten oasis]

But then it’s stabs suck

[timber falcon]

mhm

[molten oasis]

You have icicle spear yippee

[lofty tartan]

That wasn't the point of the argument whatsoever.

[solid frigate]

Kyurem Black Ice Punch Meme again-

[molten oasis]

I’m just saying

[lofty tartan]

Was literally coverage

[rustic mountain]

dont run kyruem black please

[timber falcon]

i meant like, effective coverage. will moves like body slam ever do enough for it?

[molten oasis]

Bruh

Coversge moves that hit the things it can’t are usually the most valuable to me

[rustic mountain]

sometimes u gta know wen a mon is just pure ass and leave it alone

[molten oasis]

Like, Kyurem white runs fusion flare/earth power for steel types

Which it otherwise doesn’t hit

[lofty tartan]

I was literally talking general coverage of Legendaries, because I was responding to "they really gave the 'Dons all the coverage"

When Legendaries usually have lots of coverage

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[rustic mountain]

somewhat

[lofty tartan]

I wasn't getting into an in-depth commentary about "effective coverage vs non-effective coverage" and when you're talking coverage, it's usually non-stab because it hits the things that are usually strong into it

Kyurem gets Earth Power which is crazy alongside Fusion Flare and ice stabs/dragon stabs.

[molten oasis]

Sorry

[rustic mountain]

it varies tbh, some do (particularly the dragon legends but thats just a dragon attribute) a lot of the others dont have amazing coverage, just strong within their own context (ogre w/ drizzle spout, csr w/ barrage etc)

[lofty tartan]

That was to OTOT, Drago. I'm chill, but I'm definitely explaining what I was talking about because people are replying to me to counterpoint a point I wasn't making xD

[rustic mountain]

dont use kyruem black herbie smh

[lofty tartan]

I wasn't saying I was gonna use Kyurem Black either lol it was an example.

[rustic mountain]

ik lmao im jkin

[lofty tartan]

I'm a Kyurem-W fan in VGC. Kyurem-B is just my homie

[timber falcon]

Kblack looks better to me

[molten oasis]

White is good

[bold geode]

Where's Kyurem Orange

[molten oasis]

Idt it’s meta

[rustic mountain]

i think kyruem white is kinda mid rn too, happy to be proven wrong

[lofty tartan]

I think White has a niche place in the format.

[rustic mountain]

its def better then kyruem b

[lofty tartan]

But I think people are hard-lining on ATales snow with it and I think it just prefers TW

🤷

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Got a funky speed tier.

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately a9 doesn’t exactly work

That or the members haven’t been found, but yea Kyurem really wants speed control

[bold geode]

But funny Blizzard spam

[rustic mountain]

it jus seems like its in a weird spot cuz theres other restricteds id prefer in tw

[lofty tartan]

Yeah there are stronger Restricteds for sure. I just like it 🤷

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[molten oasis]

I’m liking miraidon

[timber falcon]

lunala my fav

[lofty tartan]

I'm currently actually playing Caly-I TR

[molten oasis]

Slowly, quark drive things are bait

[solid frigate]

Terapagos,Miraidon,Lunala

Sorry Kyogre

[timber falcon]

that actually works

[rustic mountain]

is it the team thats been floating around?

[lofty tartan]

Uh I'm running the same six as Dillon.

[timber falcon]

but i think once the actual format is out ima do some lugia reasearch

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is my Second fav cuz Giratina just,Miserable-

[rustic mountain]

so yes

[molten oasis]

Caly I tr is very consistent

[rustic mountain]

yea that team is good

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/c556ccf3029b4e8b

Just no Gholdengo. Like Farigiraf too much.

[molten oasis]

But dengo good

[timber falcon]

always the no.1 that end up being competetively trash

[rustic mountain]

giraffe seems crucial

[lofty tartan]

Giraffe has guaranteed quite a few wins so far.

[solid frigate]

;-;

At least Terapagos and Lunala are good

[timber falcon]

mhm

[bold geode]

cough cough my script for some reason says "insert Zamazenta propaganda here" it's very odd cough cough

[rustic mountain]

lol

[timber falcon]

zamazenta when mushroom

[solid frigate]

and i have to drop Kyogre cuz i want to use Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Zama when dengo

[bold geode]

Mushroom when I fucking kill it

[timber falcon]

with what army

[rustic mountain]

i feel like half the time here its ppl gunning for their fav restricted unless ur gholdengoat then its just gholdengo praise

[solid frigate]

lol

[timber falcon]

can always go back to ogre once youre done

[foggy lodge]

Gholdengo sash would be the best set?

[lofty tartan]

I'm a big Gholdengo fan - always have been - I just don't know what I'd feel okay dropping from this team for that.

So I'll keep playing as-is for now. I have some favorite legendaries but I go where the juice is.

[solid frigate]

yeah I did Use Kyogre as Prep before Reg G is Announced so i guess

[timber falcon]

wtf is bias?🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[bold geode]

Y'know what
Why have I not seen a single Hearthflame Ogerpon on a Zamazenta team

[lofty tartan]

Zekrom is one of my all-time favorites but he's extremely lackluster in the meta. Poor Zekrom

[rustic mountain]

gholdengos cool but theres other mons id prefer in the teams ive used so far

[lofty tartan]

So Ice Honse it is

[timber falcon]

tell that to a certain zekrom stan

[rustic mountain]

break the cycle

[bold geode]

But y'know what
Incineroar Intimidate useful and good against Calyrex Shadow
And I don't feel like screaming obscenities at a horse

[lofty tartan]

Look man if people wanna play like D-tier restricteds, that's none of my personal business

[solid frigate]

F

[rustic mountain]

haha yea

[solid frigate]

at least is better than Kyurem Black

Kinda

[rustic mountain]

incin feels better for the fire type on zama based teams

[bold geode]

Cuz Zamazenta also doesn't like Calyrex Shadow and well idk how Hearthflame does there

[rustic mountain]

prolly not well

[molten oasis]

Hearthflame is really good rn

Fire grass is an awesome typing

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Me:Have 5 restricted Legendaries that are all BLUE OR PURPLE

[bold geode]

Then again
I have been running a certain paradox for Ghost mons and fast Snarls

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

Lol

[chrome knot]

absolutely not

[lofty tartan]

Just do triple Ghost core. S'alright.

[molten oasis]

Sash is throwing what

Dengo wants lefties or metal coat

Or even life orb

[solid frigate]

Its just so good on dealing with Heatran,and thats just one of them,Amoonguss gets Vaporised by it

[chrome knot]

or specs

[molten oasis]

That too

Specs is nice for immediate damage

[lofty tartan]

And cheeky Trick strats 🤷

[molten oasis]

Yea

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-jugulis-hydreigon-pokemon-gif-9900724606209193308

[molten oasis]

Nice tr, do it again

[solid frigate]

Air Slash Moment

[cyan smelt]

Nice to see jugulis beat the mid allegations

[molten oasis]

Idt it’s THAT good

It’s good

[bold geode]

I don't even run Air Slash

[solid frigate]

Iron Jugulis:Your Honor, i bring the Lawyer

[molten oasis]

Idt it’s insane or anything

[solid frigate]

[lofty tartan]

Dark/Flying has always been a very good type combination

[molten oasis]

Yea

[bold geode]

I'm not giving my sauce though

[solid frigate]

Yveltal has it and its good

[molten oasis]

I can’t give my sauce I’m going to NAIC

Here at least

[timber falcon]

whats this secret sauce?

[rustic mountain]

i think thats dengos best place rn (metal coat or specs) i dont see it being as powerful w/ the nasty plot leftovers set anymore. the power increase and average of turns in games being lower feel like it goes against it overwhelmingly

[molten oasis]

You need damage boost

Lefties doesn’t do enough damage

[lofty tartan]

And and there's too many huge BP spread moves at the moment

[molten oasis]

And wide guard being decently common is also not helpful

[lofty tartan]

Hard to really duck and weave as much with redirection

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

Cuz the appeal of dengo is hehe make it rain go brr

[bold geode]

Actually Tree I believe the reason why I see no Hearthflame and Zama is cuz everyone runs Pelipper lmao

[molten oasis]

Then it can’t cuz pelipper clicked wide guard and you want ti cry

[solid frigate]

Mr Krabs's Favourite Move fr

[lofty tartan]

I think general power level of mons affecting sets doesn't get talked about enough and many people just transplant last season's thing

[rustic mountain]

haha i dont see heartflame really

[molten oasis]

I think it’s solid

I like what it offers rn

[solid frigate]

one time i have a 1 on 1 with Terapagos and Pelipper and it just spam Wide Guard while i just calm mind-

[timber falcon]

what does heartflame offer

[polar canyon]

I wonder if focus energy ogerpon can work since with ivy cudgel crits you don't care about intimidate

[molten oasis]

Icy cudgel go brr

[timber falcon]

also what happend to entei, havent seen much of the doggo

[molten oasis]

No but it’s like, it’s solid on sun I like redirection on it

[rustic mountain]

i think a lot of times those things do translate like the urshis, incins, rillas, amoongus, etc but not everything can stay afloat

[timber falcon]

understandable

[polar canyon]

It's solid even without sun

[molten oasis]

It’s a really good miraidon partner

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure. There's exceptions to everything

[molten oasis]

Threatens rilla

[solid frigate]

ah yes the New Ogerpon Ice mask move

[molten oasis]

Which is the biggest issues for Mirai

Which is also why I like volt switch

[lofty tartan]

But like pace of game affects how able you are to set up throughout the course of your match, and power level distinctly affects time. Harder to slow down the game when you have to ensure Astral Barrage isn't sweeping you

[molten oasis]

Specs scarf or av

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/1df8cad0cde9ef28
I think I'm cooking ignore the thundurus

[molten oasis]

Being able to pivot around helps it a lot

[polar canyon]

I just need a better sun answer I think

[rustic mountain]

i mean im saying if anything most of them arent exceptions. gholdengo falling out of favor is the exception for a usual good mon

[molten oasis]

Yea cooking ashes

Nah jk looks solid

[lofty tartan]

Stuff like that. What I'm saying is I agree with you.

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/extremely-sad-sad-crying-tears-cry-gif-4204087420606708365

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 196 HP / 68 SpD Shadow Shield Lunala: 218-258 (91.9 - 108.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Ok wtf-

Not even Shadow Shield-

[lofty tartan]

I don't think it's as easy to just jam NP Gholdengo right now.

[timber falcon]

jk ofc

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Tbf quad weakness

[rustic mountain]

wait

[molten oasis]

No dengo needs to be built around for nasty plot to work

[rustic mountain]

wrong emote

[molten oasis]

It’s not slappable like it used to be

[lofty tartan]

LOL

[rustic mountain]

there we go

[lofty tartan]

Word

[molten oasis]

But it’s still good

[solid frigate]

thank god i ran Tera Fairy/Steel

[polar canyon]

Yeah up to like reg 3

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to campfire__

[lofty tartan]

Yeah NP Gholdengo can work for sure. But general power level is definitely up so you have to build around it, like you said, and really fight for that space to set up.

[molten oasis]

I’m learning nasty plot rn

It’s good, REALLY need to find those positions tho

[polar canyon]

Most of what I learn isn't nasty

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 196 HP / 68 SpD Shadow Shield Tera Steel Lunala: 54-64 (22.7 - 27%) -- 43.9% chance to 4HKO

Ok thats more manageable

[rustic mountain]

idt its bad its just not wat it was and has to be used differently and more in a linear fashion cuz u shouldnt be opting for set up

[timber falcon]

has anyone here ever got a shiny from DA dens?

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[timber falcon]

how long did it take

[rustic mountain]

many times

[lofty tartan]

It differs

[molten oasis]

I still like nasty plot

[rustic mountain]

it varies yea its just rng

[bold geode]

Still a decent roll
Plus Lunala is the one restricted Pokemon rn that I feel like actually can run Wide Guard without it being a trap

[molten oasis]

I think dengo’s best set is still nasty plot

[rustic mountain]

u can use it how u want, just my own take

[polar canyon]

I appreciate tera dark a lot more now that calyrex exists

[molten oasis]

Yea I get you

[polar canyon]

Even if it goes tera fighting blast

[solid frigate]

Mine is Moonblast,Moongeist,Meteot Beam,Wide Guard

[bold geode]

Someone in another server said they were using Tera Normal Gholdengo

[rustic mountain]

im not saying im 100% right, just how i feel rn on it

[timber falcon]

oh so even with odds down to 1/100 its no easy task

[rustic mountain]

i mean its just a matter of finding a consistent path and having the ore to reset that path

[polar canyon]

What do you guys use as a sun answer that doesn't make you weaker to kyogre?

[bold geode]

I like the set that's just Meteor Beam/Moongeist/TR/Wide Guard even if it gets walled by Incin after Meteor Beam

[lofty tartan]

Yeah cause you still gotta go all the way through the den and that takes time, and what Tree said. Get a good path and use ore to reset.

[rustic mountain]

sometimes ull run out and have to find another path

get more ore

[timber falcon]

🚶‍♂️ +🛏️

[rustic mountain]

i hate it here

[polar canyon]

Well it wasn't here

[solid frigate]

make sense

[bold geode]

Hey
It'll get they ass

[timber falcon]

i prefer dgleam

[rustic mountain]

i hate it here cuz he mentioned what happened there, here

[rustic mountain]

i guess if ur 1300s sure

nah im jkin idk i think its just a lazy fix personally

[bold geode]

Watch it be a meta

[solid frigate]

i rather Moonblast

[rustic mountain]

i was wrong on harc so

it can happen again

[bold geode]

JoeUX9 actually deadass mentioned a Tera Normal Rillaboom too lmao

And I'm like

[solid frigate]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 196 HP / 68 Def / 172 SpA / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard

[timber falcon]

yk i forgot it learned that, despite seeing it many times

[rustic mountain]

wtf lmao

[solid frigate]

lol but still its good

[polar canyon]

But what if it was tera dark

[rustic mountain]

what was his reasoning, u can ohko w/ hammer?

[solid frigate]

i can consider it

[polar canyon]

Idk if that's good on it I just like it on dusk mane

[solid frigate]

did he just straight up used the Tera Normal Tera Raid Rillaboom-

[polar canyon]

Both are weak to ghost

I wonder if I should consider a plan for open team sheet if I plan on using the team on in game ladder in a week

But like it won't be as easy to click tera dark against calyrex + indeedee when if they know my tera

[solid frigate]

tbf,i did think of using Lunala for 2 restricted

[polar canyon]

As one does

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8973716ede01304f thoughts on this? It’s just a random concept, I’m testing cuz I’m not in the mood to grind up 0 speed mons

[bold geode]

Yeah and immunity to Calyrex Shadow
Kinda another Caly Shadow glazer

[lofty tartan]

You'd be surprised. People see teras on OTS and completely blank anyway, or don't think you're going to tera when you will. This was my personal experience throughout regionals recently.

[rustic mountain]

yea i saw hes been running it himself

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Wait really?

[rustic mountain]

i assumed the immunity thats why i mentioned the wood hammer ohko

[bold geode]

I didn't know he was actually running that himself

[solid frigate]

i swear i rather Calyrex to only have Unerve

[rustic mountain]

hes running csr idk bout tera normal rilla lmao

[bold geode]

Ah lol I was BOUTTA say

[polar canyon]

What felt really good earlier today was taking under 10% from -1 supereffective indeedee alluring voice

[rustic mountain]

hes prolly not running it lmao

[solid frigate]

i suddenly Missed Xerneas lol

[rustic mountain]

nah xerneas w/ tera would be disgusting

[cyan smelt]

I miss yveltal

[polar canyon]

Why would you ever

I remember once using band xerneas

People forget that it has the same attack as special attack

[cyan smelt]

Yveltal with stab boosted snarls and foul plays

[polar canyon]

And a play rough that hits like a truck

[solid frigate]

i missed the whole Aura Trio honestly

[rustic mountain]

didnt cybertron use that team

[polar canyon]

What team

[rustic mountain]

band xerneas

[solid frigate]

at least i can punt Caly S

Oh wait,Psyshock Nvm

[polar canyon]

Must mean my idea is good then since I had no idea

[rustic mountain]

it was a joke team

[rustic mountain]

nah xerneas would be too good

[polar canyon]

Sometimes jokes work

[molten oasis]

?

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

w/e u think csr is broken wise xerneas w/ tera would be much worse

[timber falcon]

i think it looks good

[cyan smelt]

They didn't want to reunite smeargle and xerneas

[polar canyon]

I like the nicknames

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 187-222 (90.3 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

I don't care i am Gen 6 fan and i wanna Punt the Horse so badly

[molten oasis]

Nice, but does the team itself look good

[polar canyon]

It looks cool

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 190-225 (91.7 - 108.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[rustic mountain]

yes run imaginary calcs

[polar canyon]

You could have sunny day to have the option to go more offensive with ogerpon right?

[polar canyon]

Sometimes it's fun

[solid frigate]

lemme cope for a moment

[molten oasis]

I have an urshifu

Idk if either weather benefits me

[polar canyon]

Oh yea

[rustic mountain]

lol

[polar canyon]

You don't wanna cope for xerneas being gone

[rustic mountain]

to each their own

[polar canyon]

You wanna celebrate that

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

welp

[polar canyon]

It's like if calyrex is gone next gen

[lofty tartan]

Just wait for next gen

[cyan smelt]

Xerneas will get a new form and be busted in gen 10

[rustic mountain]

2026

[lofty tartan]

MEGA XERNEAS

[solid frigate]

I'm fine with it- Calyrex is just stupid

[rustic mountain]

actually 2027 cuz it wont be first year restricted format

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/run-explosions-gif-13620594

[solid frigate]

unless it has an Ability that does Power Herb stuff

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Calyrex still being in competitive in gen 10 would have too much backlash, imagine needing a game + dlc 2 gens behind to get the best competitive pokemon

[rustic mountain]

zygarde prolly gets a new form in lza

[solid frigate]

Zygarde Overload forme?

[rustic mountain]

maybe xerneas and yveltal do too

palkia and dialga got new forms

even if they do suck

[polar canyon]

All my money is on zygarde having lots of forms that serve as rides that are the main form of locomotion like the rides on pla

[rustic mountain]

maybe

[lofty tartan]

I'm just waiting to run Dialga/Caly-I in double restricted 🤷

[solid frigate]

Dialga is more on a Upgrade,just VERY Minor

[polar canyon]

Maybe they just go super defensive and turn into tree/cocoon

Or a form more resembling of tree/cocoon

[rustic mountain]

i think the use cases are different cuz reg dialga works better w/ tr most of the time

nd it being a faster little bit harder hitting just has it outclassed by other restricteds like csr that are just faster and hit even harder

[polar canyon]

Maybe I'm the only one but I think origin dialga looks cooler than regular

[solid frigate]

Uhhhh Dialga did not go faster-

[polar canyon]

The neck thing is only goofy if you look at it as goofy

[solid frigate]

thats Palkia

[polar canyon]

It's all perspective

[rustic mountain]

it looks like when squidward got a fork stuck in his throat

[rustic mountain]

ahhh tru i mixed em up

[polar canyon]

Life orb dialga does still hit harder than origin dialga

[solid frigate]

thats also tru

[polar canyon]

Origin palkia has no redeeming quality

It's not fast enough in restricted formats

[rustic mountain]

i still dont think the stat redistribution it does get helped it much tho and it has to have an item slot taken up

[polar canyon]

It's like a bad mega

When you'll rather use a normal item

I can only think of garchomp

We still haven't gotten scale shot and mega garchomp in the same game

[solid frigate]

Mega Alakazam kinda sucked-

When Life Orb does the stuff

[polar canyon]

I thought mega alakazam in singles was ubers

Doesn't it have 150 speed

It's like calyrex but more frail

[rustic mountain]

even if it was, its mostly vgc talk here

[solid frigate]

one sucker Punch End that thing off

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 65: Alakazam-Mega

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Trace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/50/65/175/105/150

Total

600

Base Species

Alakazam

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[rustic mountain]

rarely do i see singles talk outside someone popping in or someone mentioning a one off comment about it

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah in all the gens mega alakazam existed pursuit also did

[rustic mountain]

rip pursuit, never played comp w/ it

[solid frigate]

F

[polar canyon]

Is natdex doubles a thing

[solid frigate]

When Xerneas goes to AG,I felt that

[polar canyon]

Calyrex would be ag

[solid frigate]

both of them are

so does Mega Gengar and Mega Rayquaza

[polar canyon]

It exists?

[solid frigate]

and Shedinja,but 1 Sandstorm exist

[solid frigate]

Natdex-

[polar canyon]

Doubles natdex

[polar canyon]

Now tell me who's still using sandstorm

[solid frigate]

no one

[polar canyon]

It would be funny to see lycan ttar 2-2-2 in reg g

[solid frigate]

meanwhile:

[rustic mountain]

sand and snow setting legends when

[polar canyon]

Tornadus

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

It would make sense if groudon had sand stream

Not for the no water aspect but the creating land aspect

[solid frigate]

as a different Ability or just replace Drought

[polar canyon]

Maybe ha idk

It would still be worse than sun

[rustic mountain]

no the ground type controls the sun, dont u get it?

[solid frigate]

Koraidon:Finally,the Other Lizard is gone if it changed its ability

[polar canyon]

Plants can control the sun too so why not

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Sunny day hoppip

[rustic mountain]

jokes aside ik its more about controlling the land can get magma from underneath and what not causing the heat

[solid frigate]

make sense

[rustic mountain]

i think the game does say harsh sunlight tho

which is interesting lol but w/e game logic ig

[lofty tartan]

Magma doesn't make sunlight, but it's all magical creatures that are bodies of energy.

[polar canyon]

You know what pokemon has the power to summon the sun?

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/lillipup.gif

[rustic mountain]

yep acknowledged that in the message above

[solid frigate]

yep thats why Pokemon can beat 1 Billion Lions

[polar canyon]

The ability is called drought and groudon hates water so

It makes enough sense

[rustic mountain]

1 billion lions is a lot of lions tho

[polar canyon]

Enough to block out the sun

[lofty tartan]

What about 2 billion gazelles?

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[solid frigate]

Kyogre:Nah,I Water Spout

[rustic mountain]

3 billion whales vs magikarp

[lofty tartan]

Like we're talking billions. You can't even count to a billion in your life

[polar canyon]

With both game and anime logic the lions lose

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Wolfey once made a video where he says that a kyogre water spout would kill them all but in reality, there's never been official confirmation that spread moves hit more than 5 pokemon

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Tree, you ever fight a billion lions with your pokes?

[solid frigate]

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre-Primal Helping Hand Battery boosted Power Spot boosted Water Spout (150 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 4 SpD Pyroar in Heavy Rain: 22376-37892 (7148.8 - 12106%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kek

[polar canyon]

In fact in triple battles if it's on the left I'm pretty sure it doesn't hit the rightmost opponent so it has limited range too

[rustic mountain]

the games dont have that programmed in them, so no

[lofty tartan]

Shame

[rustic mountain]

maybe gen 10 dlc content

[lofty tartan]

One can hope

[rustic mountain]

instead of the battle tower champion its 1 billion lions

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[polar canyon]

It's an infinite challenge of how many you can beat

[lofty tartan]

And you get the lion tamer mark

[polar canyon]

The pokemon would run out of pp before they put a dent in the amount of lions there are if we go by game logic

If we go by anime logic there's a chance

[lofty tartan]

Ralts the Lion Tamer

[rustic mountain]

u have to beat 1 billion but 1 at a time and since u cant feasibly do that u never can get the mark

[lofty tartan]

Name him Siegfried

[lofty tartan]

Yes. Bring the idea to Gamefreak.

It's genius

[rustic mountain]

my uncle works there, i already told him

[lofty tartan]

Oh sweet.

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

Here's the proof that kyogre doesn't kill all the lions

Maybe if kyogre can get a billion lions to be adjacent to it

[molten oasis]

Why did my phone notify me about water spout and lions

[lofty tartan]

Just ignore it.

[polar canyon]

Oh you get that for here

[molten oasis]

Ok then

[polar canyon]

In another server I'm in I once got notified of Falling apart and marijuana

So it sounded like someone was having a breakdown while high

It was actually just the end of a conversation and the start of another

[solid frigate]

what-

[molten oasis]

That’s wack lol

[bitter heart]

If they had their in-lore capabilities rather than balance-restricted game abilities, kyogre could make an ocean and just drown all the lions

[dull ibex]

Vc?

[bold geode]

I mean hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm down to entertain the idea

[dull ibex]

So is that a yed

[bold geode]

Sure

[dull ibex]

@bold geodecan talk more later when I feel like playing again

[bold geode]

I'll be going beddy bye in a little while anyways so

[strange fjord]

perish song affects everyone tho.

insta win in 3 turns

since there are some sound proof pokemon

[mighty stump]

Pokemon can retreat into Pokeballs and its fine

[strange fjord]

lion don't stand a chance

they never faced a minimize moody alolan muk, lions got no counter play.

[timber falcon]

what moves would a lion know anyway

[strange fjord]

scratch, bite, and uhh.

[timber falcon]

what abt crunch

lunge?

[strange fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lions-vs-pov-guzzlord-gif-12829695888299806520

just realized guzzlord solos lions

bro just eats anything without end. its over

[timber falcon]

using their lore accurate abilities is a bit overkill id say

[strange fjord]

true.

[timber falcon]

i mean, mega gardevoir 1 taps

[mighty stump]

Did you figure out Miraidon yet

[timber falcon]

dynamax adventures destryed my capability to think so no

but ill try again soon

[mighty stump]

DAs take like minimal brain power

[strange fjord]

i figured it out! Miraidon is just a futuristic form of Cyclizar!

one mystery solved

[mighty stump]

He did it

[timber falcon]

i feel like my brain is slowly gonna rot away

[mighty stump]

Wrap it up

[strange fjord]

DAs for which Pokemon?

[warped mason]

The squad getting ready for reg G

(Ogerpon so adorable)

[strange fjord]

i gotta finish my ribbon master munchlax soon for reg g

i got some time before it starts

[strange fjord]

also, what the cornerstone mask ogerpon doin'?

[warped mason]

Living its best life

[dull ibex]

What's up

[true niche]

thoughts on this Terapagos set? does it give that threatning aura?

[timber falcon]

Kyogre

[true niche]

im honestly not clear on tera shift, starstorm, stellar tera etc, probs will learn that in reg g

[timber falcon]

Isn’t sleep talk gonna be inconsistent

[chrome knot]

its to call the spore

[true niche]

day 2 guaranteed

[timber falcon]

Oh so it’s to read amoongus? But assuming this is OTS. What if they just don’t spore? Or is it a bluff

[strange fjord]

isn't that the terapagos set used by the dude from the victory road tournament?

[true niche]

3rd

or 4th idk

[mighty stump]

I have a post on that lol

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable9.5

[bitter heart]

1 billion is an extremely large number though, if we were sticking to game-balanced capabilities there's no way they'd make a dent before running out of PP. It's reasonable to assume it means lore-accurate capabilities

[dull ibex]

Tofu you should teach me Tera turtle lmao

[mighty stump]

Just know when to Tera

Easy as that

Lol

Be aware of what youre achieving by Teraing

[true niche]

nice

also wtf?

[frosty vale]

Wdym by that?

Guys I’m confused i have skeledirge,gyardos,toedscruel,scyther,gengar and ampharos should i change it for any like types of rotom or should i replace anything for tauros Cylizar or arcanine

Guys

[charred saddle]

as in what format are you playing

[willow vault]

I know this is probably completely useless and way to niche to use but wouldn’t dondozo with unaware, curse, yawn, protect leftovers be the best way to 1v1 a calyrex ice, it doesn’t run coverage to hit it, it can’t swords dance against it to increase its damage unlike against all the other walls. So on a technicality that is not useful would dondozo be the hardest counter to calyrex ice?

[sharp cobalt]

Try it

[cyan smelt]

Skeledirge is also pretty tanky but weak to hhp

[sharp cobalt]

Doesnt Skeledirge also fold to a lot of the other reg G restricted?

[cyan smelt]

Definitely calys and kyogre and possibly miraidon

And Groudon too

[willow vault]

That’s why it’s not the hardest counter possible

[cyan smelt]

The problem is that dondozo is very weak to raging bolt and miraidon

[willow vault]

Yep

I’m not gonna actually use it, I was just theorising

[cyan smelt]

The best thing to counter caly I is a foul play user

[willow vault]

Not really if Calyrex-I just ohko’s them

Like it’s a good counter but not the hardest possible counter play

[cyan smelt]

It's very difficult to counter the horses

Zamazenta is good

[fluid fiber]

I made it

Teamed swapped a lot between tiers but this was the final 6 that pushed through UB

[willow vault]

That’s why I was theory crafting

[willow vault]

Congrats

[molten oasis]

I will say it once I will say it again

Answer, not counter

also incin is good into both calys

[sharp cobalt]

Intriguing

[cyan smelt]

incin gets high horsepowered

or close combatted

[molten oasis]

Ok

It’s still good into it

If you want something directly for ice

There’s like, Bronzong

Pelipper

[mighty stump]

Hitting something for SE using coverage doesn’t invalidate the MU

Lol

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but the problem is that it's mienshao and caly I that both threaten it

[sharp cobalt]

Mienshao has a role?

[cyan smelt]

Inner focus+ coaching+ fake out + dealing with dark types+ feint to break wide guard

[violet smelt]

i saw that in a skrawVGC video

its so interesting how some pokemon are good for one thing and one thing only

[sharp cobalt]

Neat

[mighty stump]

You click Tera Ghost and Will-O-Wisp lol

Like the hypotheticals can go on forever

Its already just majorly proven Incin still answers both horses due to the general utility it has

If you wanna start adding team members I can just have Scarf Urshifu next to Incin and OHKO Mienshao always guaranteed forcing a FO

[willow vault]

My bad with starting the hypotheticals off today

[mighty stump]

Like its fine if you’re gonna discuss holistic board interaction

But its not meant to try and prove non-truths

[willow vault]

Alright

[mighty stump]

And you didnt start it off with a bad hypothetical

[willow vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

It was theorycrafting a set

Rather than a falsehood like “Incin doesn’t deal with Caly-I”

[willow vault]

Ok, imma get back to studying but thanks for that

[mighty stump]

Otherwise Solo Dozo/Dozo-Ting stuff would probably still function

Unaware is all around still good + Yawn control would be good into HO variants of dtuff

Dozo-Ting also carries Choice Gholdengo as a side option to use Trick for further hindrances

[willow vault]

Oh, I’ll look into it

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/majoras-mask-majora-zelda-final-day-gif-26658556

[molten oasis]

yea huh

reg f comes to a close today

thats very weird lol

or tomorrow

i forgot when exactly

[frosty vale]

Ohh is there options? Sorry cause I kinda still don’t get it

I use it for like in general and like defeat gyms catch Pokémon’s and the like team camp or something

The team star

[charred saddle]

main official mode of competition is Doubles

[frosty vale]

I use it for main

There’s competitions?

Doubles I rarely play

So like yea

What’s official mode

[frosty vale]

Is there like different modes and competitions further on in the game

[charred saddle]

i dont get what u mean, but if u mean in game story no.

theres singles and doubles battle, VGC official tournaments always use doubles format + regulations (as in for what mon is allowed and not)

[warped mason]

What 2nd restricted gets paired with torn ogre usually?

In that format

[frosty vale]

Ohhhh I mean the story and stuff

[charred saddle]

no. nothing competitive about story.

[frosty vale]

I never found out the competition stuff yet

But I wanna get the perfect load out which has every single element or atleast can battle weaknesses

[charred saddle]

competitive is ranked battles or tournament stuff, not story

id say u better ask like in #general_chat ?

and tbf, use anything u want. story isnt hard and u can use weverything and ull still be fine

matter of fact, i speedrun lots already and only used 1 mon

dont see any problems whatsoever

[next stump]

Zacian was common in SWSH

I could potentially see fast Caly-I being good too

[warped mason]

I mean, caly I wants trickroom no? Seems kinda conflicting.

[next stump]

it’s at a speed tier where tailwind can make it outspeed most things with some speed investment, not sure it would be great but it was used some in SWSH

helps deal with the grass types Kyogre hates

and stuff like raging bolt

[warped mason]

That's true

I guess lunala could be fine too since its just generically good as a support role

[next stump]

yes I agree but it is tough to dedicate both restricteds to special attackers

especially when your probably round out the team with supportive physical attackers like Rillaboom or Incin

[warped mason]

Out of curiosity, does tera water max spa water spout under chi-yu ohko standard amoongus?.

It does not nvm

[frosty vale]

Sorry to ask but what is mon

Mon

[next stump]

has a small chance but not guaranteed unless you run specs

[frosty vale]

I asked in general chat yesterday they asked me to ask in this chat

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/347e5e33afa0452f

Sun team, yay or nay? Pawmot is tentative, but trivial blessing is so good

[next stump]

team looks solid but if they get trick room up you’re kinda cooked

like what’s your matchup into caly-ice with pelipper

[north pagoda]

It’s just short for pokemon 😃

[autumn vault]

Can you explain why? Because i think that with 50 base speed it isn't outspeeding much but i can see it work with tailwind but in tr it is already a monster

[next stump]

with a 70SPE stat at adamant with 0investment, you can run 100-150SPE EVs to always outspeed Incins and then under tailwind you outspeed most things that are 170SPE or lower

[autumn vault]

Interesting

[next stump]

i’ve played against a few and it’s always a surprise seeing caly move before incin can wisp it

[upbeat quail]

I bring walking wake, koraidon, pawmot, and something else. Tera fire flamethrower from walking wake in the sun + pawmot fake out kills a calyrex ice

The only thing that fucks with me is psychic terrain and TR setters

[autumn vault]

And those calyrex ice can wipe out amoonguss very fast, like i said before i can see it work in tailwind

[next stump]

i don’t think that really works against a good caly player because they’ll just double protect turn 1, and then turn 2 switch in pelipper

[warped mason]

Just beat a caly ice amd shadow rider back to back with torn ogre. Farig feels like mvp in both mu's.

[autumn vault]

Today is another day to shiny hunt Zekrom and get the preparations for the rental team

[solid frigate]

welp its almost there

[autumn vault]

I just want to get the tera fairy shards for Zekrom and then i am complete

[solid frigate]

just made Kyogre Notes and Expanded some tid bits on Terapagos

[autumn vault]

Ok, understood

[solid frigate]

and i still don't have a definitive Terapagos Team

[autumn vault]

Btw is it OK if i make the Reshiram and Kyurem White notes?

[solid frigate]

ok

[autumn vault]

Ok

[upbeat quail]

Okay hear me out… Reg G, but Calyrex is banned 😮

[solid frigate]

then its just Koraidon,Terapagos,Kyogre,Zamazenta and Miraidon then

Maybe Zacian And Kyurem White

and Lunala

[knotty mirage]

I don't think it's going too change much at least calyrex is not as centralizing as primal or mega ray

[solid frigate]

if Cresselia has Triage tho-

Yep my life will be better

[knotty mirage]

[torn parrot]

Farewell reg F

[solid frigate]

Rest In Peace Reg F

[autumn vault]

You will be missed

Back to shiny hunting Zekrom

Why is there a munchlax in Dynamax Adventures?

[torn parrot]

@strange fjord

I wanna make a new team

But first I need a legendary that looks fun

[solid frigate]

kek

[autumn vault]

Kyogre Rayquaza Dialga-O Zekrom Kyurem-W Lunala Zamazenta Terapagos are all very fun

[torn parrot]

Yeah I’d agree with that those guys are pretty fun thank u

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[strange fjord]

Reshiram?

[brazen mulch]

Is sinicha a good competitive mon?

[timber falcon]

It’s good for healing up bulky mons

And redirect hits with rage powder

[polar canyon]

What if instead of incineroar he was called freakyneroar and he was freaky

https://pokepast.es/59c34f1f006d82e4

Idk what to put here

[molten oasis]

It’s big boy time

Restricted here we come

[molten oasis]

Nice on screen teams

[brazen mulch]

Thx

[gentle crag]

cerularge has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[molten oasis]

Generally there’s better grass types rn like amoongus and rilla so Sinistcha ends up being a side option

[polar canyon]

A couple months ago a big topic was wow calyrex is gonna be broken

[molten oasis]

cough it is

[timber falcon]

Broken is the wrong term

[molten oasis]

BUT we’re learning how to deal with it

[molten oasis]

Overtuned

Happy?

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

However

[polar canyon]

Spamming snarl with av incin is my main "how to deal with it"

[molten oasis]

As one is inherently broken

Being allowed to have 2 abilities is stupid

[polar canyon]

One of them is pretty situational

[molten oasis]

Dark types Kek

[molten oasis]

It’s still 2 abilities

[polar canyon]

Tera dark

[molten oasis]

Anyway passed my final in information tech

[polar canyon]

Calyrex feels like a pokemon that should need to hold an otherwise useless item to be in a broken form

[molten oasis]

Meaning I SHOULD pass

[polar canyon]

Don't miss any class past the final

[molten oasis]

I don’t skip classes

[polar canyon]

I once failed a class because I started missing classes after the final was done thinking it didn't matter

[molten oasis]

I also took a practice exam that did just about nothing lol

Cuz the actual test was all labs

Yk, the fun part of the course lol

[polar canyon]

I hope my stuff is fun

I'm a freshman again and classes just started

[molten oasis]

Nice

Hopefully it goes well

[polar canyon]

So far the most fun class is just programming

[molten oasis]

College is very fun, if you make it fun

And unfortunately generals suck

but that’s just how it be

[polar canyon]

Some professors don't help at making it fun

[molten oasis]

I paid for books I didn’t read at all and passed

[polar canyon]

That's why I don't read books

Well I do when I know I'm struggling

[molten oasis]

I’m not buying them unless it’s a course specific thing or it’s math

[polar canyon]

Physics is hella hard where I study but I couldn't be happier with the new thing I'm majoring

Because there's no physics required

Like, 0-1% of the people taking it actually passing kinda hard

[molten oasis]

Physics are also cool

That was one of my favorite classes in high school

Tbf most of my science classes were my favorites beyond Japanese and orchestra

[strange fjord]

i feel ya. took a minor in physics and had to do literal quantum physics for a midterm. like bruh

[autumn vault]

Is there a very succesful team with Heatran? I have seen this team but it has disgusting calyrex-ice and i only want one in my teambuilder at all times

[strange fjord]

whats your new major tho

[strange fjord]

haven't seen many heatran. maybe this guy knows something we don't

[autumn vault]

I have seen 2 of the same team at that rating

I think i will pass on this, i love tyranitar but i honestly prefer shared weakneses to be up to 3, this is 4

And 1 counterplay to the ground types

[strange fjord]

5 of them are weak to ground and fighting

[autumn vault]

Idk how that made it to the 1500s

Maybe Aki knows how it should be used

[molten oasis]

Why heatran?

What is the appeal of using heatran?

[strange fjord]

its a fire toad or something.

[autumn vault]

Crephace has given me an idea, plus i see that as a will-o-wisp pokemon it can be very solid and it has better natural bulk than incin, plus with clear amulet intimidate has lost a bit of value but it is still very good to have, plus it can be a very good tera pokemon and with 5 quad resistances it can be a nice switch in for several pokemon, plus it beats calyrex ice assuming it teras, plus through replays i am seeing a lot of magma storm heatran although it is a bit odd

[molten oasis]

not this again

[autumn vault]

Then don't start it, it is just a waste of time

[bold geode]

Drago

[autumn vault]

I got research to do

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna tell you right now, incin is better

[bold geode]

Hey Drago

[molten oasis]

What monke

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[molten oasis]

I’m going to if you care about improving

[autumn vault]

Heavy Slam heatran, interesting.
Also it is the best raccoon Pedro

[molten oasis]

Use incin for wisp, don’t use heatran

It is not worthwhile

[bold geode]

That is all Drago, I just wanted to show Pedro

[molten oasis]

Magma storm is also not consistent

[autumn vault]

We love Pedro

[autumn vault]

I said it is a bit odd to have

[molten oasis]

And generally caly ice should be beating the average heatran

If they Tera you still likely get them with glacial lance, fairy or grass

[autumn vault]

It seems that it is great for substitute

Atleast, what i have found

[molten oasis]

Sure

Don’t use it as a support

Incin is your supportive fire type

Not heatran

[bold geode]

Man

[autumn vault]

Pedro > Incineroar

[bold geode]

Honestly yes

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhellothere-hellot-there-hello-hi-shrek-gif-6063947

[bold geode]

Get back here motherfucker

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-homer-gif-22455208

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-scared-gif-22994973

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/door-hide-close-bye-cat-gif-22820275

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/open-the-damn-door-deputy-s-jones-reno911-s2e07-open-this-door-gif-23582463

[autumn vault]

For a moment i thought you did another shitpost, very rare moment for you to not shitpost with something you made

Anyways i will copy your team if you don't mind

[proven pasture]

yo guys you got a build for RM?

[autumn vault]

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 28 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Acrobatics
• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Protect
  This one is mine

[bold geode]

Huh

[autumn vault]

You didn't shitpost, i found that a bit odd, nothing else

[proven pasture]

i havent figured out how many mons i need to kill to get to 220 attack or do u recmmoend using feathers etc

[proven pasture]

with bracer ofc

[autumn vault]

You can reset the attack and slap 22 vitamins, that should be enough
With Bracer you only need to kill 22 pokemon that offer 2 evs + the 8 from bracer

[proven pasture]

thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1714492420:R>.

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/11678f49b8457278 Btw how is this Kyurem-White team? I copy pasted this from my Kyurem Black team and changed the restricted and i now seek advice

Oh wait i forgot to edit Kyurem white's tera

Pretend it is tera ice

[craggy dagger]

moon balance :0

[willow vault]

Go for it

It’s a weird team I will admit though

[willow vault]

I am not promoting it again I’ve learned my lesson

[autumn vault]

Still looking for advice, i feel Roaring Moon is out of place

[polar canyon]

What happens when incineroar

Your booster energy is wasted if you just switch out

[autumn vault]

Although that isn't great, why would i run Amulet on Moon? Besides the team can have several ways to remove incineroar

You can just stay in and do damage although it isn't much

[mighty stump]

Amulet Moon in Sun is pretty based

Tera Fire Tera Blast

But anyways

Idk why you guys keep sending pastes in OTS no-one is stealing EVs

[crimson flume]

Even this late in the freaking season, people are still tough haha.

[mighty stump]

Iron Head Urshifu isn't it

[mighty stump]

Arguably hardest point because the Japanese are all going for those top 30 spots

The team has a high potential of losing to Zamazenta

[crimson flume]

Climbed to ultra right away. It's just getting to master now

[mighty stump]

and Sun

[autumn vault]

I was thinking of removing moon but i can just change it to smth that beats Zama

[mighty stump]

And you can probably get cycled pretty easily overall

[autumn vault]

And Sun, and That

[mighty stump]

Theres like one Protect in the entire team

[autumn vault]

2 since Spiky Shield is a protecting move

[mighty stump]

2

[crimson flume]

Tera grass chi yu. What is this opponent.

[autumn vault]

I was doubting the team itself but some insight on the team is always nice

[crimson flume]

Whyyyyyyyyyyy.... Bro... How does this game give me a tera grass chi yu to counter my tera water tera blast crown wth.

[mighty stump]

Probably not really worth complaining about and continue to try and adjust to the situation at hand

[autumn vault]

Tera Grass Blast Chi-Yu meta? Ik that isn't meta but something odd from the Japanese

[crimson flume]

My gosh. All my dps are water.

This is not good lol.

I almost won. Damn.

That chi yu was a wall. xD

[crimson flume]

I did not expect that.

I even met someone who tera grassed his own urshifu to counter thunderclap.

[autumn vault]

In terms of defensive tera urshifu that is probably the most common for it

[torn parrot]

zamazenta happy about being a good puppy https://youtube.com/shorts/0i-HRecaAcU?si=V4xp3Ki2QGYNGmjj

🦴

[bold geode]

Shh
Lemme eat bro

[bold geode]

Tera Grass Urshifu Rapid Strike will forever be my favorite

[solid frigate]

welp,still don't have a definetive Terapagos team-

[crimson flume]

So many japanese players haha

[gentle badger]

@lofty tartan How am I gonna complete my pvp team if no one has Raging Bolt for Trade?
https://pokepast.es/3995eba11267a7e6

[autumn vault]

Well i mean who wouldn't like some food

[crimson flume]

7 W, 11 L...

[autumn vault]

Tragic

[crimson flume]

Tough opponents...

Still stuck in ultra.

[autumn vault]

Man

https://pokepast.es/6126583db5a7fafa How is it looking now?

[molten oasis]

Tera fire

Ice is not worth it

[autumn vault]

Well you do know this unlike me

And i mean way better

[molten oasis]

I played it for a week lol

[autumn vault]

You still know snow better than i do, i played literally 3 matches with it

With Kyurem-Black

[molten oasis]

If you’re specs I’d suggest Draco meteor over earth power

Nuke button good

[autumn vault]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/70149d3e1a56d024 Anything else?

After testing snow for notes i will make another Black Dragon team

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump is there a way i can win this even faster

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2114463617-9qdmuvf5agb3cn5qd9ms50e4fgz7tgvpw

[autumn vault]

And no it is not partially made of ice

[autumn vault]

That turn 2 terastal wasn't that genius