weird, whats the difference between limitless vgc data and the trainer school
#competitive_discussion
mighty stump
Day 2
warped mason
oh so limitless is an average among the days i guess
or count both days
damn, miraidon and groudon falling off is heart breaking
knotty mirage
Zamazenta got top 3 usage that something
mighty stump
Generally im more surprised seeing Zacian usage
WR looks like people are still figuring stuff out tbh, especially with the Calys also marking how heavy the counterplay on some of those are.
warped mason
yup
lower caly s winrate means people found ways to effectively deal with it
also surprising that ice rider dropped in usage.
pastel blade
Over bold?
mighty stump
I don’t see why it would ever be bold
mighty stump
lower caly s winrate means people found ways to effectively deal with it
Although despite how effective the counterplay is it’s more about the resource I think. Everykne still believes its an S-tier mon
Plus results wise it still cut
I think
Unless im thinking of VR tour
which Caly-I recently won undefeated
warped mason
Oh its for sure an S tier mon. Its just people went in the tourney to beat caly-S which would logically lead to a lower winrate
Same would happen to terapogos arguably. People weren't as prepared for it so it makes sense for its higher winrate.
mighty stump
I think it's harder to answer Terapagos
Classical counterplay doesn't actually exist
molten oasis
Zama probably
strange fjord
yeah that's probably right
cyan smelt
korai
strange fjord
So I was curious to see what the data says. Since I have quite a bit of replay data to use I'd figure I'll write a quick program to do so.
Da results
based around ~67k replays.
highlighted are <50%
timber falcon
Calyrex is used?
timber falcon
Yeah I can’t imagine pagos struggling with it
strange fjord
gotta add a devation thingy
33.33% seems a little too clean of a percentage to be a high number of data points
timber falcon
Ngl I do study computer science, but I got no idea what’s happening 
What’s meant by devation?
strange fjord
I could show you my code if that helps lol
timber falcon
Nah I’ll probs not understand it, we haven’t gotten to the main part of coding yet, just theory
cyan smelt
what do you guys think of overheat miraidon with eject pack
strange fjord
how spread the data could be due to few data points (low number of uses in battle)
timber falcon
what do you guys think of overheat miraidon with eject pack
It could work, but if u wanna pivot, go volt switch
timber falcon
how spread the data could be due to few data points (low number of uses in battl...
Ah ok
strange fjord
like saying "I have a win rate of 90%" (player 1 only did 10 battles) vs "I have a win rate of 85%" (player 2 did 500 battles)
player 2 is more likely to reliable data over player 1
timber falcon
Yeah that makes sense
mighty stump
Da results
This also works by comparing teams right?
So it's not necessarily 1-1 interactions
Zamazenta is to be expected
strange fjord
team comparison indeed
mighty stump
Eternatus probably is more knowledge based rather than true counter
Since its harder to mplay against something you dont know whats going on
Koraidon/ is to be expected
Caly-Ice im also not surprised because my set is probably the only Terapagos with a positive/advantageous MU into Caly-I
merry otter
what would be the best way to build a sweeper torterra and a team for it
im new to competitive
mighty stump
Your only real option is to run Shell Smash + White Herb or Iron Defense Body Press, but I wouldn't really expect to see much success with it. Seeing as you're new to competitive I think it's important to be aware there is a great likelihood you're unable to use your favourite Pokemon (unless they're a metamon) to a consistent successful degree particularly in the current higher powered format.
last yarrow
Figured I'd try my luck with reg G again since I'll be getting an ogerpon soonish, kinda tossed together whatever sounded good (garganacl is mostly a caly counter)
mighty stump
Clear Amulet over Covert Cloak
Hearthflame needs Speed investment
Steel Tera on Garg is just overlapping Fighting Weakness
last yarrow
Alrighty, I used covert cloak since I figured it'd help deal with fake out, I'll change it out now
mighty stump
Flutter Mane needs some form of bulk investment otherwise it dies to essentially everything including other Flutters
Mainly Sash/Booster Spe Flutters
I recommend Icy Wind as additional form of Speed Control, and Protect/Recover on Garganacl so it can actually take advantage of Salt Cure and Stall, although I dislike Garganacl here. Chi-Yu/Raging Bolt with Snarl access already does that work for you. You hahve no true Slow-Play elements either
last yarrow
Was garganacl a bad pick for the team? Chose it for wide guard + bulk for calyrex.
mighty stump
Id rather replace it for a Raging Bolt/Farigiraf if you're concerned about Sun, both of which can assist with the Caly-S matchup.
last yarrow
Alrighty, tysm for the advice!
mighty stump
Farigiraf with virtue of the Normal-typing + access to HH can assists against Caly-S, Koraidon already helps deal with Kyogre/Raging Bolt can further improve that MU as well, reasonings wise.
chrome knot
@next stump i made it back to calyrex, hypnosis went first got hyped, caught it in a love ball, we were speed tying @ 86….
frosty vale
i have skeledirge,gyardos,toedscruel,scyther,gengar and ampharos should i change it for any like types of rotom or should i replace anything for tauros Cylizar or arcanine
violet smelt
i have skeledirge,gyardos,toedscruel,scyther,gengar and ampharos should i change...
singles?
torn parrot
Zama probably
i can feel the fear in terapagos team's eyes when their turtle has nowhere left to run front of a +3 zama and popped tera shell
upbeat quail
I think a Rayquaza And Chien-pao core is gonna be strong in Reg G. What else should I run to round out the team?
mighty stump
i can feel the fear in terapagos team's eyes when their turtle has nowhere left ...
Suddenly Tera-Ghost Wisp Darkest Lariat Incineroar
mighty stump
I think a Rayquaza And Chien-pao core is gonna be strong in Reg G. What else sho...
I think Pao/Rayquaza is semi-bait
torn parrot
Suddenly Tera-Ghost Wisp Darkest Lariat Incineroar
uh oh XD
mighty stump
Anti-priority is huge, one of the main threats is a Ghost-type
For once in the format you can;'t just espeed spam
next stump
<@197813560997314562> i made it back to calyrex, hypnosis went first got hyped, ...
i am finally free
played through the game entirely while playing other games and it took like 18 hours for caly lmao
violet smelt
how crazy would it be if incineroar got follow me?
upbeat quail
How crazy would it be if flutter mane got Geomancy?
autumn vault
LETS GOOOOOOOO
Congratulations
violet smelt
How crazy would it be if flutter mane got Geomancy?
😟
knotty mirage
Is use sash on caly s is it fine to just keep it at tera ghost or does defensive tera still matter ?
shadow wind
A lot of people run Tera fairy.
mighty stump
Sash Ghost is fine if you're willing to play it that way
Particularly when you're gonna be running NPlot which is the way with Sash
knotty mirage
Ah alright then extra damage on astral barrage sounds nice
upbeat quail
I’m debating on just taking a break from VGC until after Indy regionals, so I can get an idea of how the meta actually will be.
I was doing fantastic early on showdown ladder, but know the weird shit is coming out of the woodworks and Im struggling to adapt
solid frigate
Terapagos Cresselia?
idk
upbeat quail
Hopefully someone at Indy will make top cut with a Venusaur on their team. Then I may be interested in this format lol. I just can’t stand Calyrex’s design, from both a casual and competitive viewpoint.
I’d like to see a solid sun team do well. Koraidon is super cool
next stump
definitely not a bad idea, especially if you’re just laddering and have no tournaments
i’m one of the guinea pigs at indy so I have to play early format which i hate
chrome knot
omg ur a test dummy for this regulation
mighty stump
I had pretty good success with my upcoming content team for Venu
Also I have proof-of-concept for Miraidon
That's actually, I think, good
next stump
all of the regionals i’ve been to this year minus charlotte have been first regional of the format
and not only that, fucking opening weekend of the format
mighty stump
Maybe its a sign you're meant to be first
mighty stump
Dillon the First Demon
next stump
i’m such a copier too so this blows
mighty stump
I mean
upbeat quail
I had pretty good success with my upcoming content team for Venu
Do you have a paste for your Venu team?
next stump
but luckily people have made cool reg G already
mighty stump
Do you have a paste for your Venu team?
If you don't mind waiting like a couple of days
You'll get a full write up as well
upbeat quail
Oh sweet yeah link me that when it’s all done!
mighty stump
but luckily people have made cool reg G already
Makes my life easier when I expose these nerds
chrome knot
but luckily people have made cool reg G already
did you see the gholdengo variant that won vrs spring challenge
next stump
already in the builder 😎
plays much less like a TR team without a second setter
but gholdengo walling amoonguss is amazing
and zamazenta
chrome knot
hahah same
upbeat quail
What’s the gholdengo variant?
chrome knot
plays much less like a TR team without a second setter
it has the means to play a mean balance game
whilst having the tr option
kinda feels like p2
craggy dagger
mmm what team is this-?
chrome knot
ice rider, incin, amoonguss, urshi-rss, peli, gholdengo
craggy dagger
:0
that sounds interesting
i assume rage powder trick room on ice rider-
autumn vault
Terapagos Cresselia?
idk
You have just given me an idea
chrome knot
:0
that sounds interesting
i assume rage powder trick room on ice rider-
you what
charred saddle
I just like Farigiraf
jerapah
autumn vault
:0
that sounds interesting
i assume rage powder trick room on ice rider-
Does it even have that?
craggy dagger
no no like the play order-
mighty stump
I mean
autumn vault
Oh right
craggy dagger
yeah 
autumn vault
I knew there was something up
chrome knot
maybe cir learnt rage powder i didnt know that sounded like a moveset besides lance & hhp
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/8eed0c59ec1aaecf
lemme just tell you
+2 giratina dragon pulse doesnt KO any shit
its so fucked up
autumn vault
Calyrex-Ice rider can surprisingly learn a lot of support moves with a 165 attack stat
craggy dagger
giratina is just underwhelming
craggy dagger
Calyrex-Ice rider can surprisingly learn a lot of support moves with a 165 attac...
that’s calyrex-
not the ice horse
pearl wind
https://pokepast.es/8eed0c59ec1aaecf
lemme just tell you
nice will-o-wisp AV Incin you hab there 
charred saddle
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/8eed0c59ec1aaecf
lemme just tell you
What in the shit is this
im sorry
autumn vault
EH AV WILL JAWJAWOAWOKAW
Is shamed
Speaks some language that i don't know of
charred saddle
bang maap bang bru balik dri ujian
mighty stump
Pass gk
charred saddle
mau main pke new toy
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
mighty stump
giratina hella bulky tho
If something is bulky and does nothing back thats called a punching bag
charred saddle
but now i can do something like this
autumn vault
If something is bulky and does nothing back thats called a punching bag
It is a ghost type, it is a punching bag that cannot be hit by fighters and normal people
timber dome
what apokemon should i add in double with Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
IVs: 20 Atk
Tera Type: Electric
Modest Nature
- Thunderclap
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor
- Protect
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/8eed0c59ec1aaecf
lemme just tell you
Tf am I looking at
Tofu, did you let him in the kitchen?
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/8eed0c59ec1aaecf
lemme just tell you
If it doesn't OHKO anything just use origin form
Plus you aren't running rillaboom
mighty stump
Tofu, did you let him in the kitchen?
We're not even in the same building
bold geode
Ok well we need to find who did and take away their keys
autumn vault
Giratina is sadly just awful
And the amount of pokemon that beat it does not help, especially with the secretly badly invested stats
autumn vault
Da results
I did not expect to see Base form Calyrex destroying terapagos teams
Ik it is just 3 battles or more by the looks of it
strange fjord
probably like 6 battles of base calyrex and they happen to win a bit more than lose
oop
autumn vault
I also did not expect to see kyurem base form at 50% but that might have just been like 2 or 4 battles
And the kyurem won half of those
A zekrom at the late 1400's is surprising for me, atleast it can compete despite having very very slim odds of making it into day 2 at a regionals in reg G in general
Like Dillon once said "I would be very surprised to see Zekrom top cut a regional in reg G"
bold geode
We've entered the era of where 1400s is like mid-low elo on the ladder rn
NUH UH (yuh huh)
charred saddle
NUH UH (yuh huh)
mighty stump
bo3 is just nicer to play
strange fjord
We've entered the era of where 1400s is like mid-low elo on the ladder rn
what about 1300s in bo3?
bold geode
Top 500 in BO3 is actually 1400s so
mighty stump
what about 1300s in bo3?
like mid, i'd wanna be at least 1400s
bold geode
Or low top 500
autumn vault
what about 1300s in bo3?
Probably the same idk i don't play bo3s
Definetely some 1400 players at top 500
mighty stump
Or low top 500
1413 is minimum
bold geode
Yeah
Would 1300 be mid in that ladder rn or?
mighty stump
mid-low
strange fjord
like mid, i'd wanna be at least 1400s
guess im mid FurretCry
bold geode
It's mid
Lemme cope Tofu
mighty stump
I think if you know whats going on and are pretty solid you should be able to hit 1400s in bo3
and 1600s in bo1
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2114099581-7do2r2ntt17rrwsbf6...
You know you are unlucky when you miss a snarl (ik it is not 2, just clarifying)
mighty stump
Obv this is my perspective
But at the end of the day ratings are just a singular snapshot
bold geode
I think if you know whats going on and are pretty solid you should be able to hi...
See I'm just an idiot in moments where I am almost there so
mighty stump
It's all about consistency
mighty stump
See I'm just an idiot in moments where I am almost there so
Then you ain't there yet, pretty simple
It's a process
Sometimes you test on alts and just crowd your stats with random shit
Sometimes you just dont give a shit
bold geode
Yeah
The amount of times this Reg alone that I forget Grassy Glide interactions
mighty stump
I do have to say to add weight to your words and opinions it pretty much helps to have those numbers/stats to back you up
autumn vault
I think if you know whats going on and are pretty solid you should be able to hi...
I made it to the 1400s, in Best of 1s, i barely have time for Bo3s and i am still in the 1000s suffering brain damage there in Bo3s
mighty stump
If you can play 3 Bo1 games you can play 1 Bo3 game
bold geode
I hit top 500 twice though in BO1
Even if it was early on, never done that before so
autumn vault
If you can play 3 Bo1 games you can play 1 Bo3 game
Idk why you are always finding the most valid reasons possible for every thing someone says in like 2 seconds
bold geode
I've found BO3 way better tbh
Quality of games are actually quite nice
mighty stump
It's easier to analyse
bold geode
Yeah
I also think that maybe the skill level in that ladder is a bit higher? May be just me
warped mason
Why are people running chien pao in torn ogre teams
mighty stump
What type is Chien-Pao
warped mason
Ice dark
mighty stump
What types resist Water
autumn vault
Da results
Btw where did you get this? I checked both of the websites in your about me but i am not sure where it came from
mighty stump
What type is Caly-S
strange fjord
Btw where did you get this? I checked both of the websites in your about me but ...
the replays themselves. since i have the data, i just analyzed them
warped mason
No way caly s isn't tera-ing infront a chien pao but thats besides the point
willow vault
What type is Caly-S
Probably not asking me but ghost and psychic (I think)
warped mason
Yea ik the type
willow vault
Idk how you forgot about it
I don’t want to remember it also it’s been a long day
warped mason
Didn't realize chien pao has good coverage i to kyogres resists
autumn vault
I don’t want to remember it also it’s been a long day
I was talking to Tofu, not you
warped mason
Seemed odd to me at 1st because chien pao generally prefers being paired with physicals
willow vault
I was talking to Tofu, not you
I thought Tofu was asking the question for someone else to answer?
warped mason
I was talking to Tofu, not you
He knew, he was trying to get me realize for myself
Why chien pao is used in kyogre teams
warped mason
Loool
autumn vault
Yarne is rillaboom
willow vault
Obvious play but nice none the less
warped mason
Gotta love sniping flutters like that
autumn vault
Gotta love sniping flutters like that
You really do, i have eternal beef with flutter so that terrible play was so satisfying
I mean terrible in their part
Mirror
torn parrot
guess im mid [FurretCry](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/719418731469471776.gi...
you're peak 
violet smelt
is reg G interesting?
warped mason
I love that kyogre beat the mid allegations
violet smelt
i havent had time to dig in too much
i just know that calyrex shadow is actually a fraud
violet smelt
well i definitely exaggerated but seeing the memes was so funny
warped mason
Tho it recently performed kinda underwhelming in the $400 tourney
Because everyone went in trying to beat it
violet smelt
Tho it recently performed kinda underwhelming in the $400 tourney
is that the one torviv won?
warped mason
The koraidon team
strange fjord
you're peak <:PikaBonk:710849458794921995>
thanks 
gentle cragBOT
thanks <:WobbuParty:669500457940418580>
pizza.time has given 1 Gen Rep to mayahoppins
warped mason
Trainer school tourney
violet smelt
The koraidon team
torviv was running calyice iirc so i guess it isnt
warped mason
Overall usage rates and winrates
violet smelt
who the fuck though about the design and lore of calyrex
warped mason
Caly-S had the most usage, but its winrate wasn't great
violet smelt
calyrex does not look like a pokemon that could ride a horse
warped mason
People went in to beat caly S
violet smelt
People went in to beat caly S
makes sense
guess incineroar is nice against it right?
violet smelt
wide guard is a thing thats so true
mighty stump
It's all well and good until people start dropping the counterplay cause it's WR isn't great then it snowballs out of control
The meta shifted the same way with Urshifu-RS mid-Reg F and look what happened
At the end of the day it's still good
strange fjord
urshifu dark, snarl, wide guard just can pressure calyrex shadow a bit
violet smelt
urshifu rapid was the n1 common enemy
im a caly ice enjoyer i think
glastrier is cooler than spectrier anyway
mighty stump
Urshifu Dark gets 2HKOd by Astral Barrage
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 20 SpD Urshifu-Single Strike: 86-101 (49.1 - 57.7%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
Snarl is kinda whatever
violet smelt
if astral barrage is ghost, is tera normal popular now?
mighty stump
I wouldn';t actively Tera-Normal unless theres a secondary benefit
strange fjord
252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 20 SpD Urshifu-S...
oh, im a weirdo cause i run max hp AV urshifu dark. so i tank a bit better
warped mason
It's all well and good until people start dropping the counterplay cause it's WR...
Yea that's just the cycle unfortunately
Caly-S still needs to be respected, but when its win rate falls and people start accounting for it, it will just go nuts like previously.
violet smelt
is that the one torviv won?
wait the one that won a tournament was jmodri im a buffoon
mighty stump
I vaguely remember when JMOdri used to be in this server alongside quite a few other players
Interesting time
mighty stump
My experience with more general spanish players from showdown has been more insulting than anything
That, and italians
strange fjord
i have barely gotten any insults from anyone on showdown. usually its just low ladder in the beginning then no one after.
mighty stump
Idk
Intense is one thing
Hurling slurs is another
It is funny though
How anyone gets that upset over the simulator of all things
I think my favourite was the italian one
It took up the whole chatbox
violet smelt
in the defense of my comrades we do use slurs in a not so hurting manner
like i insult my friends every 5 phrases we chat
mighty stump
I think context matters
To friends: anything goes
To random strangers: bit weird and off-putting
violet smelt
depends on the slur ig but yeah
if some spanish random calls you "putero" dont worry about it
autumn vault
My experience with more general spanish players from showdown has been more insu...
Guess what i am
violet smelt
also something we talk about very unformally is bombing things
mighty stump
Guess what i am
Unfortunate
willow vault
Guess what i am
Part Spanish part English
autumn vault
Part Spanish part English
The correct answer
violet smelt
also something we talk about very unformally is bombing things
my man LenVGC got banned for that
willow vault
The correct answer
You told us yesterday lmao
mighty stump
As much as it was excessive, it was a not-so-great thing to joke about i guess
autumn vault
Yes but i deleted that after like 10 seconds
willow vault
Yes but i deleted that after like 10 seconds
I don’t know why I remembered that tbh
mighty stump
Lifetime ban seems unwarranted
violet smelt
As much as it was excessive, it was a not-so-great thing to joke about i guess
if you are not familiar with the joke i absolutely understand getting weirded out
it does sound a bit hardcore from outside but life ban is absolutely atrocious
autumn vault
I mean hurling slurs as a way of friendship is quite weird and interesting, i never understood that
willow vault
Yes but i deleted that after like 10 seconds
Do you want me to delete the info for privacy sake?
autumn vault
Do you want me to delete the info for privacy sake?
No need to
willow vault
Ok
violet smelt
I mean hurling slurs as a way of friendship is quite weird and interesting, i ne...
i mean i cant fully explain it but yeah i slur my friends a ton and they slur me and were chill
autumn vault
When someone says a very bad word it is offensive
When a person from Europe says them it is fine (specifically some from the mediterranean)
mighty stump
Well as a minority my experience with slurs from Europeans are different
willow vault
When someone says a very bad word it is offensive
When a person from Europe says...
Um as a European I don’t agree with that
autumn vault
i mean i cant fully explain it but yeah i slur my friends a ton and they slur me...
My friends do the same, me, i don't unless i get pissed
willow vault
Like with homies sure, when not with the homies not cool imo
autumn vault
Sure
willow vault
Ok
autumn vault
i have barely gotten any insults from anyone on showdown. usually its just low l...
I got randomly called bad by an 'experienced' player in the vgc chatroom because of some spreads that weren't even bad and they play worse than several people here, i also beat them a week ago and they used Zama while i ued Zekrom
mighty stump
I think the most recent one was someone asked if I had dignity or if my parents beat me enough
In spanish
autumn vault
I think the most recent one was someone asked if I had dignity or if my parents ...
Ok that is too much, ofc in spanish
mighty stump
I just kept typing "?"
I think I seemed to annoy them more than they did me
Like bro i've been called nearly every asian slur under the sun, im chinese, ofc i've been beaten
bold geode
Wtf did I come back to
autumn vault
I honestly think that the Showdown chatrooms are a mistake imo
mighty stump
Wtf did I come back to
The funny bit where the players that insult me post match tend to be italian or spanish
and just discussing my most recent insult
bold geode
Oh lol
autumn vault
🤦♂️
mighty stump
And it's also like
autumn vault
I never liked spanish people for a reason despite being one
mighty stump
It's just funny
bold geode
I just saw slurs and was like "as a Southern white man, I am not safe here"
mighty stump
Lol
I still remember
Someone called my a slur in this chat cause I told them to ask questions in a separate chat
I didn't even like
Do it in my usual snarky way
I had to google cause it was an entirely new slur
autumn vault
Me everytime i hear about something bad from the Spanish and Italian people
mighty stump
It was one applied to vietnamese/korean people specifically so they kinda missed the mark there
bold geode
I gotta say as someone from the South, I have seen some slurs on the Internet that idk if ANYONE around here would say lmao
bold geode
It was one applied to vietnamese/korean people specifically so they kinda missed...
Then they assumed what brand of Asian you were
Racist
Wait
Maybe not brand lmao
bold geode
Tofu I done fucked up and associated with one of the store brand Asians
autumn vault
I never understood the concept of slurs, i always despised them and i wouldn't use any
They are just upscaled insults
But pushed way too far
bold geode
Well just like everything, they were words, but the words just don't have good history behind em
autumn vault
Honestly i always hid my spanish/english blood, i just don't want to put up with nasty comments
bold geode
Like technically, one of the variants of the N word is just the Spanish word for black
But not good history makes it not good
And hence why we don't use them
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2114137505-hv1iazz802fqw9kry8...
Stone Edge Groudon💀
Who let them cook
foggy lodge
if some spanish random calls you "putero" dont worry about it
a qn le dices putero
autumn vault
And D-Pulse Wake, atleast they have good reasons to use it
autumn vault
if some spanish random calls you "putero" dont worry about it
As a spanish i can seriously confirm this
solid frigate
And D-Pulse Wake, atleast they have good reasons to use it
D-Pulse Wake i can see,but Stone Edge Groudon-
torn parrot
Wow I see why people started running heavy slam on zamazenta
He’s in like the top elites of fat asses
autumn vault
Stone Edge is only to get some OHKOs that rock slide couldn't but rock slide > stone edge always
strange fjord
Wow I see why people started running heavy slam on zamazenta
He’s in like the t...
who overfed the dog?
bold geode
Wow I see why people started running heavy slam on zamazenta
He’s in like the t...
Damn
He just big boned
autumn vault
Plus Stone Edge is as accurate as Focus Blast with 75% accuracy
solid frigate
LOL
autumn vault
Wow I see why people started running heavy slam on zamazenta
He’s in like the t...
I mean that shield is not something to take lightly
mighty stump
Honestly i always hid my spanish/english blood, i just don't want to put up with...
I mean people are shitty regardless of race
autumn vault
That is the most important thing to learn, there are some more rude than others but all of them can be rude
molten oasis
Like technically, one of the variants of the N word is just the Spanish word for...
Why is your pfp Pedro
molten oasis
craggy dagger
<:oldmanshrug:740843258468499518>
any luck?
craggy dagger
makes sense
molten oasis
Kyurem is second
solid frigate
Im also seeing dengo with miraidon here and there
i mean,i put An Entei when i made a Miraidon team-
molten oasis
Well now that I’m thinking about it a little miraidon struggles with caly ice
willow vault
i mean,i put An Entei when i made a Miraidon team-
entei? Why entei specifically?
molten oasis
Dengo typically doesn’t
bold geode
Im also seeing dengo with miraidon here and there
Guess another way of Golden Dragon
molten oasis
Imo Tera water gholdengo can generally beat up a caly ice team
molten oasis
Guess another way of Golden Dragon
Yea, might look into that
solid frigate
entei? Why entei specifically?
Extreme Speed Snarl Support,Since Raging Bolt is Type Overlap and does the same thing,Plus its immune against Incineroar's Intimidate and Fake out-
molten oasis
Trying to find reference teams tho
solid frigate
Imo Tera water gholdengo can generally beat up a caly ice team
Make it rain go brrrr
willow vault
Extreme Speed Snarl Support,Since Raging Bolt is Type Overlap and does the same ...
huh should probably try that
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/6add20a8f2556e40
I made this at school randomly
molten oasis
However I’m trying to think about what miraidon does for dengo in return
timber falcon
distraction
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
Miraidon,Dengo,Entei,Whimsicott,Lando and what can be final pokemon? Ogerpon?
timber falcon
is that a miraidon team? we arent gonna take advantage of terrain?
willow vault
is that a miraidon team? we arent gonna take advantage of terrain?
most of the terrain abusers are subpar at best
timber falcon
not even abuse, just use
molten oasis
is that a miraidon team? we arent gonna take advantage of terrain?
It’s bait
solid frigate
is that a miraidon team? we arent gonna take advantage of terrain?
i watched Moxie Boosted and he does not think Quark Drive Spam that well
molten oasis
It’s not good
molten oasis
I do think miraidon has a place
willow vault
my opinion the largest value of electric terrain from miraidon is damage boos for miraidono specifically and preventing spore
molten oasis
But you need to run something for rillaboom
timber falcon
volt switch
willow vault
But you need to run something for rillaboom
ogerpon hearth
molten oasis
In that regard I think Hearthflame is one of its best partners
willow vault
and volt switch
solid frigate
But you need to run something for rillaboom
I want Miraidon to just be Offensive and no need Quark Drive Spam,Entei and Ogerpon feels good
willow vault
In that regard I think Hearthflame is one of its best partners
so do I
molten oasis
volt switch
Do you really want your restricted just sitting in the back?
All the time?
solid frigate
Miraidon @ Electric Seed
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
- Electro Drift
- Calm Mind
- Dazzling Gleam
i use this mirai
molten oasis
Could fidget with calm mind again
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
solid frigate
Could fidget with calm mind again
it can be changed for Flash Cannon for Flutter Manes and Caly I
but idk
molten oasis
Idt it does enough damage
You just go your stabs
I’ve seen av
oh interesting it gets snarl
timber falcon
252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 112-132 (54.1 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
Yk, I think dazzling gleam ain’t worth
It doesn’t exactly do good damage without Tera
timber falcon
252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Flash Cannon vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 106-126 (67.5 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO#
flash canon isnt it
solid frigate
252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Flash Cannon vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 10...
its still very nice damage tho
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
willow vault
Yk, I think dazzling gleam ain’t worth
it isn't bad but i'm not fully locked in on the sets
timber falcon
its still very nice damage tho
electro dirft simply does more
molten oasis
I’m gonna try snarl
220 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Miraidon: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO huh
foggy lodge
Miraidon @ Electric Seed
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy...
I wouldn't use the electric seed
timber falcon
why
foggy lodge
Normally you are going to pivot with Miraidon to put your terrain over your rival's terrain
With electric seed you do that once and later you play without an item
timber falcon
his miraidon isnt a pivot one i dont think
solid frigate
his miraidon isnt a pivot one i dont think
my mirai is not pivot Mirai
timber falcon
seeing as its calm mind, it plans to stay in
molten oasis
Ok hear me out 0+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 210-248 (101.4 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
solid frigate
Ok hear me out 0+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 252 HP / ...
Ok thats-
timber falcon
yk now im interested in mirai lol
solid frigate
But I think that’s interesting to say the least
i just ran Max Max Min Miraidon
foggy lodge
Choice Specs electro drift in electric terrain is a OHK0 against AV Kingambit lol
molten oasis
Kek
timber falcon
might make a mirai team over korai
solid frigate
i'll make a Miraidon Team as Back up
molten oasis
But nah I’m gonna just go hearth but it’s something I’ll keep in mind
solid frigate
but i need to use my Own Mirai instead of AI Professor's
timber falcon
violet smelt
a qn le dices putero
a ti puterazo
molten oasis
I made the perfect Miraidon team 😎
You see there’s no gholdengo so me no touch 
Although I’m aware of the sauce
Good luck figuring it out
timber falcon
spill beans
molten oasis
No
mighty stump
Good luck
timber falcon
mighty stump
Texhnically ill spill the beans soon but yea
timber falcon
i give up 
ill just make my own team and hope things go well
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/beans-gif-25637804
RIP Kevin's Chilli
willow vault
Is it miraidon, cleffa, Clefairy, clefable, jigglypuff and wigglytuff?
mighty stump
You got 1/6 mons
willow vault
Nearly there
mighty stump
Nearly
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/bf400c022d43377d
I'm just gonna use this-
timber falcon
iron bundle
willow vault
iron bundle
Is ok
violet smelt
i love iron bundle is it good with miraidon
mighty stump
Incin at 70%+ usage
willow vault
Incin at 70%+ usage
Balance has been achieved
violet smelt
incineroar will always be the goat
violet smelt
iron bundle, iron hands and?
willow vault
Sounds right
willow vault
iron bundle, iron hands and?
No
mighty stump
thats 2/3
willow vault
Huh?
timber falcon
is incin at the top of the meta cause its balanaced? or is the meta balanced cause incin is at the top?
mighty stump
Juggy
willow vault
rn?
solid frigate
oh the Air slash-
mighty stump
is incin at the top of the meta cause its balanaced? or is the meta balanced cau...
Incin holds back an unbalanced meta making it meta
mighty stump
Ive always believed Incin is the literal limiter of the metagame
violet smelt
incineroar🐐
timber falcon
oh that makes sense to me
molten oasis
Incineroar is just that guy
willow vault
I mean spore is incredibly valuable what do you expect + the other support it gives its great against restricteds
timber falcon
yeah, i just hate going against it
violet smelt
it slows things down a bit
violet smelt
it slows things down a bit
but taking into account the absolute units that can obliterate teams, its not a bad thing imo
timber falcon
yeah but before i didnt have to think about it that much, now its everywhere
willow vault
yeah but before i didnt have to think about it that much, now its everywhere
Then think more
timber falcon
i dont like having to think that much
willow vault
If you play a game competitively you nearly always have to think quite a lot, it’s just the nature of playing games competitively
timber falcon
i mean think about amoongus specifically, like glimmora is stresses me out
like if i dont kill it im ruined
solid frigate
I mean spore is incredibly valuable what do you expect + the other support it gi...
Unless Miraidon but then again,If Terrain gone then-
timber falcon
oh yeah. miraidon
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/beans-gif-25637804
Man unloads (probably) shit because the bucket was too full
violet smelt
nah kevin knows food
autumn vault
also i cant say im fond of amoongus being top 2
I mean being one of the very few consistent answers to Calyrex-Ice is something, especially if its already amazing
timber falcon
consistent?
autumn vault
consistent?
Not that consistent but putting it to sleep is very nice
timber falcon
yeah true
autumn vault
Especially to stall trick room
Because that thing is better than nearly everything in tr
violet smelt
is amoongus slower tahn calyice?
autumn vault
is amoongus slower tahn calyice?
With 27 speed ivs yes
autumn vault
like always, unless room service
Why run that when Amulet is right there?
solid frigate
196+ Atk Entei Sacred Fire vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Rillaboom: 170-204 (82.1 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
HMMMMMMMMMM
autumn vault
a ti puterazo
No insultes tio
next stump
just run tera grass caly if you’re afraid of amoonguss
or a pokemon that gives sleep immunity to your side
autumn vault
just run tera grass caly if you’re afraid of amoonguss
Tera Water and Fire have very good resists for calyrex, grass offers nearly nothing for it but that is the only reason to use tera grass, obviously i prefer the sleep immunity over the former
https://pokepast.es/0b31d4cecbd72842 Opinions?
I will come back in a bit but rn i have to go do something fast
foggy lodge
Looks good
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/0b31d4cecbd72842 Opinions?
Looks good
foggy lodge
I've been trying the Howl HO but with Zacian and i was using Gapdos so Incineroar can't hard counter my team
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/73ffe56efe17f5f4
https://pokepast.es/8973716ede01304f
Thoughts on these? They’re just some concepts
foggy lodge
The thing is
molten oasis
I've been trying the Howl HO but with Zacian and i was using Gapdos so Incineroa...
Doesn’t urshifu do the same thing
foggy lodge
I have a horrible MU against TR lmao
foggy lodge
Hmmm
autumn vault
Looks good
I am back, good to know
autumn vault
You can run more than 1 check to incineroar just be wary they also have to have different reasons to justify them
G-Zapdos and Urshifu are both fighting types
molten oasis
Gapdos and shifu do the same thing
foggy lodge
The EV spread is not so good but i have this https://pokepast.es/f556a25af9314a07
autumn vault
The EV spread is not so good but i have this https://pokepast.es/f556a25af9314a0...
Any reason for sash flutter?
Specs is right there but it is probably for a different reason
And you can redirect the surging strikes so i think it is good here
foggy lodge
Any reason for sash flutter?
Icy wind to have speed control, and in general just so it doesn't die too early
I don't use it so much in the matches anyway
autumn vault
Booster Speed is best with icy wind
foggy lodge
So i could replace it with another thing
autumn vault
I can see a case for it with sash
autumn vault
If you want to go ahead but do note Gouging Fire already has booster energy
foggy lodge
autumn vault
I think it looks good
But if i had to make changes (which is unnecesary) i would remove some SpA investment on flutter and put those on Spe to truly take advantage of icy wind
autumn vault
Jolly or Timid
Flutter: Timid
Zacian and Urshifu benefit more from Jolly then Adamant
Ofc if you want Urshifu to outspeed calyrex-shadow then jolly is fine
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/73ffe56efe17f5f4
https://pokepast.es/8973716ede01304f
Thoug...
I think Torn is good for great support
Pelipper to wide guard and give urshifu a power boost in surging strikes
Honestly i think i will take the pelipper over tornadus
timber falcon
finally unlocked lunala path in DA
autumn vault
Plus it counters groudon and landorus
timber falcon
soon ill be hunting for it and making the team alive
molten oasis
I have 2 versions since I like Hearthflame as a Mirai partner but pelipper has bad synergy
With hearth
I want a rilla check
autumn vault
For overall balance tornadus is good
Honestly i thing Tornadus is best, you get more consistent speed control, checks rillaboom better, better synergy at the cost of no rain and wide guard
Which the team can handle
autumn vault
finally unlocked lunala path in DA<:WobbuParty:669500457940418580>
Late congrats
But congrats
timber falcon
willow vault
You trying to shiny hunt it?
timber falcon
Indeed
Spent the entire weekend doing sword dex so I better get it
For charm Ofc
autumn vault
I will shiny hunt Zekrom a ton tomorrow and do some squad runs
With Zekrom, i already plan to shiny hunt Kyogre and Xerneas in the future
Tomorrow i do have to make the notes, pokepaste and rental code for my rental
You can guess which restricted it has
molten oasis
So
Miraidon can Ohko +2 spD raging bolt
140 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. +2 180 HP / 4 SpD Raging Bolt: 230-272 (103.1 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
timber falcon
I will shiny hunt Zekrom a ton tomorrow and do some squad runs
Good luck
gentle cragBOT
Thanks, and good luck for your hunt too
lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953
timber falcon
🤝
radiant siren
can't post doggo with sword memes
timber falcon
Mhm
forest arrow
Care to connect so I can get path?
timber falcon
sure, after i finish the adventure im in
forest arrow
No rush
I have Kyurem, Solgaleo, and Ray if you need any of them
Or I can get ho oh from Peonia rn
polar canyon
Should I be using -speed nature if I have snarl on incineroar
timber falcon
how do those correlate
polar canyon
So I don't use a -spatk nature
timber falcon
oh ok
forest arrow
I mean you still won’t be doing much damage
polar canyon
But it's still damage
Incineroar doesn't outspeed much anyways
It hurts ghost types
polar canyon
I think I never actually bothered to know how specially defensive the bulkiest flutter sets are
I wanna use calm mind ursa bm and wanna know how much I need to invest for +1 blood moon to ohko always without a boosting item
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/c0a5a4db48de5453
Should i go for it
i just need to change Cress's Nature
bold geode
So I don't use a -spatk nature
You're really only using Snarl on Incin to drop Spatk, not to do damage
molten oasis
I wanna use calm mind ursa bm and wanna know how much I need to invest for +1 bl...
Ohko what
bold geode
If you're going for damage with a Dark type move on Incin, Knock Off is there
solid frigate
is it a Bad idea if i use Cresselia for Terapagos Support
bold geode
🤷♂️
molten oasis
is it a Bad idea if i use Cresselia for Terapagos Support
Worth trying
If you think it could work give it a shot
solid frigate
If you think it could work give it a shot
it could,not a s Trick Room,but just healing and T-Wave
bold geode
Yeah
I just also think Comfey probably still better though due to priority healing
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Comfey Ape Terapagos
solid frigate
What Comfey does not have Is Bulk and does not heal itself
forest arrow
Even clef
bold geode
What Comfey does not have Is Bulk and does not heal itself
But priority healing is dope
molten oasis
Remember kids
bold geode
Also Draining Kiss technically heals itself
bold geode
Remember kids
Remember kids
China No 3 Shrek edition
Drago would you adopt a kid from China No 3 Shrek edition
molten oasis
No
bold geode
What if the kid is like the dude from Meet the Robinson's?
radiant siren
wtf is this Zacian Team-
a clearly superior version to my Zacian team lol
they got all the secret techs
torn parrot
wtf is this Zacian Team-
zacian is so good on weezing teams
🐇
this one kinda
sucked tho
solid frigate
Cresselia:Heal go brrr
bold geode
zacian is so good on weezing teams
Zamazenta better
torn parrot
well the idea is it blocks the intimidate and you can control when zacian's ability activates so it isnt wasted
i think weezing in general is just a really underrated gem rn
solid frigate
solid frigate
that's not a good team
not this again-
torn parrot
that's not a good team
Did you read below what I said
molten oasis
not this again-
Ignore him if you’re not interested in what he has to say
Weezing Zac is a good concept
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.1
molten oasis
BUT caly would be a better weezing partner, as one doesn’t get turned off by the gas
solid frigate
Weezing Zac is a good concept
it is cool to see it
timber falcon
how does wheexing zac even benefit though
solid frigate
how does wheexing zac even benefit though
control when Intrepid Sword Activate
molten oasis
how does wheexing zac even benefit though
Incin can’t intimidate
timber falcon
youd still have to kill it
molten oasis
Weezing just allows Zac to do things a little more freely
molten oasis
youd still have to kill it
They run sacred
timber falcon
does it OHKO?
timber falcon
koraidon, zama ect
solid frigate
or souped up Tera Fighting Caly S
timber falcon
mostly fighting types
solid frigate
or souped up Tera Fighting Caly S
but thats Subjective
timber falcon
and its a spatcker
torn parrot
no i mean i said the team sucks
chrome knot
@molten oasis gholdengo kinda nuts rn
radiant siren
you said zacian is good on weezing teams
solid frigate
and its a spatcker
yeah thats why its Subjective
solid frigate
<@465881273454559252> gholdengo kinda nuts rn
insert WolfeyVGC Gholdengo Edit Music
molten oasis
What are you running it with?
chrome knot
not by your belief it just fits on my team lmao
torn parrot
you said zacian is good on weezing teams
oh yeah i just saw the combo and wanted to mention i thought it was cool
molten oasis
Well, it’s still good
chrome knot
same 6 ran by winner of vrs spring challenge
timber falcon
What makes dengo so good rn
molten oasis
same 6 ran by winner of vrs spring challenge
Makes sense that team is very solid
radiant siren
oh yeah i just saw the combo and wanted to mention i thought it was cool
i save you time, no good
molten oasis
What makes dengo so good rn
Dengo is run with caly ice for zama
And other IDBP mons
Also solid into the mirror mu
solid frigate
Dengo is run with caly ice for zama
and it beats Zacian and Zamazenta like you said before right?
molten oasis
Does generally beat Zac yea
torn parrot
i save you time, no good
i did pretty well with a zacian weezing team earlier on
it felt good
used regigigas
molten oasis
i save you time, no good
What do you have to prove that
radiant siren
no way I'm arguing with people who thinks weezing zacian is a thing sorry
that's a one-way debate
molten oasis
It’s not a thing that doesn’t make it unviable
radiant siren
Viability being subjective, it became a one-way debate
molten oasis
Bruh
radiant siren
I knew it, it's always like this
molten oasis
It’s one way cuz you refuse to give me a reason to respect your opinions
molten oasis
Ok
radiant siren
I'm secure claiming weezing zacian isn't a thing
radiant siren
Viability being subjective
torn parrot
buddy you gotta loosen your mind to the possibilities
radiant siren
One-way debate
solid frigate
Ok, so why are you making out to be unviable
Drago,Like you said,let just ignore him
torn parrot
good idea
molten oasis
Yuh
radiant siren
ignoring one-way debate is a good thing
radiant siren
see, you're so keen on getting a debate you are into attacking others on a personal level
ima wait patiently to see Zacian Weezing dominating next regulation
molten oasis
Maya what are you running rn?
torn parrot
this was my zacian weezing climb earlier on with my friend's team
i dont ussually like to drop things like this for argument sake
solid frigate
this was my zacian weezing climb earlier on with my friend's team
damn top 100
torn parrot
but it is evidence
solid frigate
but it is evidence
Top 100 is impressive tho
molten oasis
Yea
It’s very impressive
I haven’t gone on a true grind in a while lol
I’ve tested here and there
BUT I’m hoping to get a team I like to top 100 for NAIC
Once finals are over
solid frigate
I haven’t gone on a true grind in a while lol
i did some grind and i am still only blocked by 1300 Border,honestly,for me who has Autism,Its alright
foggy lodge
Soooo i used the Howl HO Zacian team
molten oasis
How is it
foggy lodge
It's fine but TR sucks lmao
radiant siren
but it is evidence
ladder ranking is all I need to screenshot to invalidate anything nowadays lmao
molten oasis
I think you have to run amoonguss
radiant siren
that's weak
molten oasis
ladder ranking is all I need to screenshot to invalidate anything nowadays lmao
Prove your worth before saying others worth is pointless
radiant siren
i said no to your one-way debate already
atomic portal
is this another jaysp/heatran/ray
molten oasis
In fact don’t try to say someone is worthless it’s fucking rude
foggy lodge
I think you have to run amoonguss
Or something that maybe could OHK0 Farigiraf
Nah i can't
foggy lodge
I was thinking about conditioning Farigiraf to tera but it's always paired with Inci
Or just using a Farigiraf on my own lol
molten oasis
nobody is worthless wtf
It’s proof something works
radiant siren
nobody being worthless is what proof ?
molten oasis
Oml
foggy lodge
molten oasis
Top 100 on showdown ladder is proof a team works
radiant siren
Top 100 on showdown ladder is proof a team works
what proof do you get they played that team to get there
foggy lodge
The Weezing-Zacian?
atomic portal
what proof do you get they played that team to get there
u can just ask them for replays :^)
foggy lodge
It can work
molten oasis
She sent a screenshot of the fucking ladder
radiant siren
yes the ladder
molten oasis
So anyway
torn parrot
what proof do you get they played that team to get there
its true that you only have my word to go off of but i'm not a liar and I have this
I can only say that i made maymaytest specifically to use only this team so i wouldnt mess with my other accounts
solid frigate
its true that you only have my word to go off of but i'm not a liar and I have t...
ok i need the BBE4 BW Sprite
radiant siren
That’s enough to prove a team works
if you fail to see why this reasoning is flawed then I don't know
cyan smelt
Is this another jaysp alt
atomic portal
thats what im saying lol
torn parrot
im getting really sus cus this is just how he acts 💀
solid frigate
since when we making Amogus Jokes-
atomic portal
im getting really sus cus this is just how he acts 💀
theres just nothing else to do in canada ig
molten oasis
It’s another Jay
solid frigate
theres just nothing else to do in canada ig
tragic
radiant siren
who's Jay
atomic portal
hes like joe
foggy lodge
Anyone has any of these lebron james images but for VGC? Lmao
solid frigate
Anyone has any of these lebron james images but for VGC? Lmao
lol
molten oasis
Anyone has any of these lebron james images but for VGC? Lmao
Tofu sent one the other day
bold geode
I can't send the one LBJ meme I got
solid frigate
If Lebron Plays Smash bros,I'm down for it
molten oasis
Yea although thah one is hilarious
bold geode
Anyways y'all don't listen to Bobby
Alt or not, the takes are bad still 🤷♂️
It's whatever
molten oasis
Yuh
solid frigate
Anyways y'all don't listen to Bobby
Alt or not, the takes are bad still 🤷♂️
I...
agree
bold geode
Plus him saying we're acting toxic after all he wants to do is argue is also shitty as well
Idgaf lol
Anyways, Pokemon
solid frigate
Plus him saying we're acting toxic after all he wants to do is argue is also shi...
lol,we are just chill as fuck
Lofi Music is Optional
bold geode
Lofi music is great
solid frigate
its just relaxing when you have a hard time and want to chill in your room or doing work
foggy lodge
oh dios mío
bold geode
I listen to Lofi a lot when I'm laddering/working on blog
molten oasis
I listen to battle music when laddering
torn parrot
i like to listen to youtube videos
i should try music
bold geode
I also have some upbeat EDM I listen to
Drago btw did you ever listen to that one
solid frigate
I listen to battle music when laddering
same,Usually Crush 40 or Xenoblade
molten oasis
I also have some upbeat EDM I listen to
Drago btw did you ever listen to that on...
I don’t think so
solid frigate
also when i do the Legendary Notes i just play the Themes on which Legendary i am writing
If its Kyogre,its ORAS Primal Theme
upbeat quail
Just got killed by indeedee u-turning into its own psychic Tera armorouge to proc weak armor weakness policy
torn parrot
wooooow
upbeat quail
People on ladder are fucking weird
torn parrot
now that's retro gaming
solid frigate
molten oasis
I lost to a Tera ground earthquake roaring moon today
upbeat quail
It always feels great losing a match to such a silly gimmick. Makes me wonder how many people hit masterball rank by playing stupid stuff
molten oasis
I was not happy lol
foggy lodge
i lost against a Psyduck team once,,,
solid frigate
I lost to a Tera ground earthquake roaring moon today
lol i run that before lol
foggy lodge
I hate CTS
molten oasis
If it wasn’t that I win with gholdengo
solid frigate
i lost against a Psyduck team once,,,
i lost to a Mewtwo team before,but then again,Its a gimmick team so that does not count
upbeat quail
I hate CTS because I always run into people using minimize strats
molten oasis
I hate CTS because people are weird
upbeat quail
And there is a special place in pokéhell for people who use minimize and moody
solid frigate
I hate CTS because I always run into people using minimize strats
Minimise Strats,Smeragle,Stall
i will throw my controller out of the Window if i saw one /jk
upbeat quail
I’m so happy y’all can let me complain about these troglodyte-produced strategies I see on CTS ladder
solid frigate
I’m so happy y’all can let me complain about these troglodyte-produced strategie...
because we have experienced those before
upbeat quail
The only weird thing I run is venusaur 😦
solid frigate
i mean at least its something that is normal,Minimise is just-
torn parrot
It always feels great losing a match to such a silly gimmick. Makes me wonder ho...
it just takes advantage of people who dont know any better
or people who are simply unprepared for it
foggy lodge
They have to add a BO3 OTS ladder in the next games
solid frigate
yep
CTS just makes those strats infuriating
at least OTS kinda blames on the players don't look at the information if you don't know somehow
cyan smelt
Cts punishes good teambuilding
solid frigate
Cts punishes good teambuilding
exactly
i might not have good Teambuild,it just punishing for people
timber falcon
Cts allows more more types of teams I’d say though
Some people like their gimmicks
upbeat quail
CTS be like: “Woo, down to 1v1, just my Raging Bolt vs their cute pawmot, most likely a revival blessing set.” Pawmot is Volt Absorb Tera Fairy because fuck me
solid frigate
# Specs HH Tera electric leki sweeps
tf-
solid frigate
OHKOd zama
Wait lemme check
252 SpA Transistor Regieleki Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta in Electric Terrain: 276-325 (71.1 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Ummmmm
cyan smelt
Specs?
timber falcon
Yes
rustic mountain
think u missed the specs part, idk why u have terrain there
upbeat quail
Okay not gonna lie, Tera fairy volt absorb pawmot with upper hand, close combat, nuzzle, and revival blessing sounds solid
But I may be crazy
solid frigate
think u missed the specs part, idk why u have terrain there
ok wait-
rustic mountain
also different sets, maybe they didnt have as much bulk
timber falcon
I had more…..
cyan smelt
Okay not gonna lie, Tera fairy volt absorb pawmot with upper hand, close combat,...
This sounds like it walls miraidon lol
rustic mountain
ur running a calc w/o even knowing wat build ur calcing for
solid frigate
252 SpA Choice Specs Transistor Regieleki Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 247-292 (63.6 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Hmmmmmm
is it a crit?
rustic mountain
252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera Electric Regieleki Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 192-226 (96.4 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
timber falcon
rustic mountain
dont even need it
solid frigate
oh its Tera thats why-
rustic mountain
they said that lmao
timber falcon
mhm
rustic mountain
its a roll more in their favor to ko
solid frigate
ffs i need to look more info lol
timber falcon
cts is hell sometimes
cyan smelt
Wonder if tera electric Regieleki ohkos caly s
rustic mountain
run the calc 
solid frigate
Wonder if tera electric Regieleki ohkos caly s
i mean,if Zamazenta can't,then how Caly S can.
rustic mountain
it has better sp def then def
timber falcon
another wtf instance
solid frigate
252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Regieleki Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 138-163 (78.8 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ok thats just unfair at the slightest-
timber falcon
another wtf instance
sabeleye had an eject pact. Brought out guess who🐴
cyan smelt
another wtf instance
If you lead with incin that messes up that Strat, sableye is eject pack
rustic mountain
timber falcon
If you lead with incin that messes up that Strat, sableye is eject pack
yeah but i had no idea what they were tryna do
rustic mountain
then protect to scout
rustic mountain
dont relegate ur 1 restricted to wide guard support
solid frigate
i run wide guard
switch to Protect
rustic mountain
thats bait
cyan smelt
Use pelipper for wide guard support unironically
solid frigate
Use pelipper for wide guard support unironically
Pelipper the GOAT
timber falcon
dont relegate ur 1 restricted to wide guard support
why?
i do that fir my lunala team and it works rly nicely
solid frigate
I think i might gonna see Calyrex Shadow Invalidates Urshifu Rapid and Flutter Mane-