competitive_discussion

[radiant siren]

I see the vision

[autumn vault]

Doesn't need it to shine

[radiant siren]

just haven't seen it

[autumn vault]

Being affected by intimidate is not good at all

[bold geode]

Baxcalibur type shit

[autumn vault]

Blocking it and potentionally setting up to sweep is very good for it

Especially if it blocks intimidate

[forest arrow]

Yeah babe, all the ones I’ve seen run like Scale Shot and Icicle Spear

[bold geode]

It still booty though babe

[forest arrow]

Most definitely

[autumn vault]

ThrowDatVGC and MonkeVGC together confirmed?!

[forest arrow]

I’m enjoying White tho, just need to make my team better

[autumn vault]

This is a joke btw, don't take it seriously

[forest arrow]

Oh no no, we’re together

lol

[autumn vault]

Any flaws outside of 1 supportive special attacker?

[forest arrow]

Kyurem black itself is the flaw if you want honesty

[autumn vault]

I meant the core as a whole, not 1 individual

And yes i do acknowledge it is a flaw over the white form who is very superior

[mighty stump]

Im an hour late to my tour lmao

[forest arrow]

Oh okay, incin, ursh good I run them with Kyu white so I think it’s a good core

Oh Tofuuuu, slept in buddy? Lol

[mighty stump]

yeah im incredibly tired

like for the last few days

[bold geode]

Huh

[forest arrow]

felt that, I just got off work and I want to nap

[autumn vault]

Relatable

[autumn vault]

And yes i do know kyurem black is worse than kyurem white

[bold geode]

Can I nap too babe

[forest arrow]

It’s a good core imo

[torn parrot]

Shit happens to me all the time

[forest arrow]

Ofccc 🫶🏻

[bold geode]

Yas

Me llamo Cleep

[autumn vault]

ok

ik, you said it twice

[forest arrow]

Okay gl

[molten oasis]

Black sucks

Kyurem black sucks

It is not worth it

[sharp cobalt]

Please rephrase

[stray badger]

I was about to say

[solid frigate]

F

[bold geode]

Nah

[autumn vault]

I use it because i want to test it and see how good it really is, and you can't stop me

I see potential in it as weird as it may sound

[solid frigate]

I'm doing a final rehaul on my team

or better word,Readjust

[autumn vault]

And yes ik black isn't good

[sharp cobalt]

[solid frigate]

[sharp cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-scarlet-koraidon-aa-gif-26401050

[autumn vault]

I added wellspring into the team, it looks solid but i am a bit worried about calyrex ice

What are good ways to counter calyrex-ice? Amoonguss isn't an option

Wisp incin?

I already run snarl on it

[solid frigate]

Incin and Urshifu Combo?

[bold geode]

My question is what values do you see in it that would make you wanna choose it over something like Koraidon or Shadow Rider
What potential do you see

[solid frigate]

fake out into Porygon and Wicked Blow tht Horse flipping shit

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 152-180 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ayyy

[autumn vault]

I see a 170 attack and 100 speed dragon dance pokemon who can be really tanky behind snow an aurora veil, i also see that people don't have much experience against it

[hard wolf]

thats so conditional

[autumn vault]

Also why was i worried about calyrex ice?

I have no lance weakness

[bold geode]

So you see something that needs to set up that has honestly some of the same weaknesses as Caly Ice

[autumn vault]

I guess it is PTSD from the onion horse

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 150-186 (72.4 - 89.8%) -- approx. 2HKO

huh

[autumn vault]

Not using single strike

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 204-252 (98.5 - 121.7%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO

[autumn vault]

True

[solid frigate]

unless you can make Caly I force Tera

[autumn vault]

Flare blitz incin can force the tera

[bold geode]

But at least even if I don't necessarily agree, at least you're answering my question from before which was "why choose it over better options"

[autumn vault]

I think for the 6th slot i need a way to beat water types, i already have one but 2 can be really nice

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 168-204 (96 - 116.5%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO

Ummmmm

[autumn vault]

I also already have a Koraidon team and a Shadow rider team from a few months ago

[bold geode]

Not necessarily my point

You're using something that is off meta
Idc if you go off meta, but I want you to at least be able to tell people "hey these are reasons why I'm using this" instead of just saying "I see potential in it" because that still doesn't explain why

[molten oasis]

Toilet bird being meta is hilarious

[autumn vault]

Although that will still be my answer you do have a point

[forest arrow]

Peli the goat lol

[molten oasis]

Oh I know you guys don’t listen to what we say half the time

So there’s hardly a point in trying

[polar canyon]

I think now I know I wanna use tr dusk mane and ursaluna bom when the regulation comes out in game

[forest arrow]

Drago you got a good torn spread?

[molten oasis]

Lemme grab it

[forest arrow]

Ty

[polar canyon]

Now I just need the rest

I put chesnaught on the team kinda half joking

[bold geode]

Yeah I think it's just better to be able to explain the reasoning as to why you see potential vs not
Cuz if it only comes down to favoritism
I'm sorry but like depending on the restricted, it could be a hindrance

Like even if I disagree with your reasoning, at least you're able to identify and note the reasons behind said actions

[autumn vault]

I will not deny any of it, my teambuilding process in restricted formats are restricted -> gimmick of the team -> rest of members

[torn parrot]

Toilet bird?

[forest arrow]

Pelipper

[mighty stump]

Let people suck if they want to

[autumn vault]

So that is why i used zekrom when bolt exists
Why i used kyurem B when bax exists

[molten oasis]

Pelipper good

[torn parrot]

OHHH TOILET BIRD

[molten oasis]

Which is Hilarious but I get it

[forest arrow]

I’ve always called Peli “BigMilk

[bold geode]

Lol Tofu

[molten oasis]

Nah I agree with tofu

[autumn vault]

I always called pelipper "big birb"

[molten oasis]

It’s not worth the effort

[mighty stump]

I'm serious

If people wanna suck, it's their team

You're not playing the team

So who cares

[polar canyon]

If they enjoy using a bad mon then so be it I guess

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[bold geode]

Yeah
It's just more of explaining "hey be able to say why you're using said shit'

[mighty stump]

If it turns out it works out for them, then good for them, it's statistically irrelevant anyways

[bold geode]

Try to have logic essentially

[mighty stump]

Yeah but "feelings" get in the way of logic

[molten oasis]

Indra (Tornadus) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 212 HP / 196 Def / 4 SpA / 12 SpD / 84 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Taunt
• Tailwind @forest arrow

[autumn vault]

It is true that the restricted legend can be a hindrance
Some can't even function at all
But if it is good when i use it, i will continue to use it

[polar canyon]

But like what if bax could be burned? You get kyurem b

[forest arrow]

Ty imma try torn with Kyu W

[gentle crag]

throwdatahh has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[autumn vault]

Statistically they can be irrelevant and still be good just outclassed as hell or smth

[molten oasis]

torn ky white sounds solid

hope it goes well

[polar canyon]

It works

[mighty stump]

It's not good if it's statistically irrelevant lol, it means you have no impact either way

[bold geode]

Oh yeah feelings can hurt you rn in restricted but like
Literally just be able to argue your side if anything

[polar canyon]

I like snowscape on torn to be able to fight weather

Sometimes atales doesn't cut it

[molten oasis]

if theyre outclassed as hell theyre not good

[polar canyon]

Being outclassed as hell by a non restricted is not a good sign

[molten oasis]

i found i got to a point with ky that i could bring it without a9

[bold geode]

Like "I see potential"
"I see potential"
Why
Can you tell me why lol

[solid frigate]

toilet birb

[autumn vault]

It is singing

[bold geode]

Wtf that's a Rotom bot thing too

[torn parrot]

I forgot how necrozma’s golden form works

[solid frigate]

LOL

[charred saddle]

oh my, oh my god

[molten oasis]

hisuian zoroark

[polar canyon]

Basically a mega stone

[solid frigate]

Ultranecrozium Z

[autumn vault]

Well that made my day

[molten oasis]

man lmao

[solid frigate]

what happened to ROtom lol

[autumn vault]

What is happening

Rotom is being corrupted

Well, tell me why

Seriously why was it doing that?

[solid frigate]

idfk

[autumn vault]

Tell me why

[solid frigate]

i just done my chores and thats it

[autumn vault]

Ain't nothing but a party

Oh come on Rotom you were supposed to do weird stuff

[bold geode]

Anyways what tour you doing?

[mighty stump]

LenVGC's ladder tour

[bold geode]

Ah

Turtle time?

[autumn vault]

Good Luck on that

[mighty stump]

Theres literally no one on, the players suck, and RNG is screwing me

So

all in all pretty ok

[bold geode]

Bruh

[molten oasis]

poky

if rng is not on your side

[autumn vault]

What?

[bold geode]

Poky just be quiet lol

[molten oasis]

you get screwed so much easier

i would know

my rng is actually ass

[autumn vault]

My Mario Kart 8 Deluxe RNG was shit, it literally made me more insane

[molten oasis]

so imagine that rng

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e36631f4b8e25dae
I feel like i'm gonna use this cuz i need answers for Any Opposing Terapagos Teams

[molten oasis]

and just transfer it to every game

that is my game rng, ass

[bold geode]

Shut up bitch, get quad protected

[autumn vault]

And i remember in a showdown room tour that i was like Lavos, getting shit rng

In the 2nd match

[solid frigate]

wait does that even happen before?

[molten oasis]

i got crit by astrall barrage 4 times in a row once

[autumn vault]

I missed 3 thunder waves
Got flinched twice
Got crit once

[torn parrot]

Aw sad

[autumn vault]

All against a haxorus

[solid frigate]

what the fu-

[bold geode]

Hehehehehe
Sometimes my RNG is shit, and then sometimes it's goated

[solid frigate]

mine is 30/70

[bold geode]

Like I have gotten 4 Rock Slide flinches in a row
Multiple times

[forest arrow]

What does offensive Rilla want speed wise

[solid frigate]

like most of the time is just pure dog water RNG

[molten oasis]

115 is kinda where i go with all rilla

[autumn vault]

My RNG is treating me very good, some screw ups but all around solid

[bold geode]

Rn mine just outspeeds Caly S in TW with 112, but I ain't know much on that type Rilla

[molten oasis]

thats probably good enough

[forest arrow]

Alright I went 115 I’m not sure if I just do Hp Atk or throw some in def’s

[autumn vault]

Hp and attack

[solid frigate]

i am usually Ok with Luck but on team MUs i sucked so badly

[bold geode]

If you want quicker and have U Turn access, 119 outspeeds Oger after a speed drop

[forest arrow]

Thanks babe I’ll actually do that

[gentle crag]

throwdatahh has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[solid frigate]

did i miss anything about what happen

[autumn vault]

Also pls dont call me poky, just call me lyco if you don't want to say the full username

Poky makes me feel like that one Mario enemy

[bold geode]

The fuck that's so dumb

[molten oasis]

thats, whatever

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/5ae83bb440bf36a9

[mighty stump]

I mean

[forest arrow]

Got this so far

[autumn vault]

Like this enemy, makes me feel like it

[mighty stump]

I know you guys dislike Lycopoky

[molten oasis]

i get it

[mighty stump]

But theres no need to be disrespectful either

Lol

[bold geode]

Nah it's whatever
Idc either way

[mighty stump]

Turns out I have an extra hour for the tour

[solid frigate]

i'm just here

[molten oasis]

could prob go life orb

[forest arrow]

Kyu?

[molten oasis]

but good otherwise, yea

[bold geode]

Oh you're going TW? Probably won't need to be 119 then lol
119 is for like Icy Wind/Bleakwind

Unless you want extra insurance

[forest arrow]

So 115 then?

I mean extra insurance never hurt

[molten oasis]

or 112 yea

[bold geode]

Probably be fine yeah

[warped mason]

Does jolly max attack tera fire koraidon one shot bulky flutter?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[forest arrow]

if I went life orb Kyu that open vest for something like bolt

[bold geode]

115 if you really wanna be
Cuz any Jugulis that creeps Caly S you outspeed in TW with 115

[warped mason]

Sorry using flame charge

[autumn vault]

I have experience with koraidon, it can do over 50% do even resists

[molten oasis]

yea

[bold geode]

Idk how many Juggy creep Caly S and don't go full speed

[molten oasis]

or lando

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flame Charge vs. 44 HP / 164 Def Flutter Mane in Sun: 81-96 (59.5 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i'm using my flutter

[autumn vault]

Not with that

[molten oasis]

if you keep av

[autumn vault]

With Flare Blitz ofc

[warped mason]

Yea flare blitz is for sure

[autumn vault]

But not Flame Charge

[bold geode]

I mean with Flame Charge, Choice Band could probably?

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flame Charge vs. 44 HP / 164 Def Flutter Mane in Sun: 120-142 (88.2 - 104.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

well close

[bold geode]

Eh looks to be basically dependent on bulk

[autumn vault]

My flutter definetely survives that

[solid frigate]

but if your Fluter is Bulky enough then yeah it can survive it and land a Shadow Ball

[molten oasis]

you dont go banded flame charge

[autumn vault]

Or a fairy move

[warped mason]

Is flame charge a 2 shot using jolly?

[solid frigate]

Tera Fire-

[molten oasis]

can on clear amulet tho

[autumn vault]

True

[forest arrow]

Could also try Flutter

But eww that may be last resort

[solid frigate]

I just Yoinked Wolfey's Calm Mind Flutter and give it a shot lol

[molten oasis]

fr lol

[autumn vault]

Ngl i despise it a ton, but not using it in a sun team really hurts the team

[forest arrow]

It’s definitely okay without sun tho

[solid frigate]

Sun Teams are my nightmare lol
its still manageable unless its Koraidon

[molten oasis]

flutter is still really good

[solid frigate]

if you don't use Caly S and want a Strong Special Attacker,its the second best Option

[molten oasis]

although i think youre now more pressured to run booster speed bcuz of caly

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️ maybe idfk I ain't used Koraidon

[autumn vault]

Flutter is amazing in sun, sash and specs become really good on it

Especially with a booster speed

[solid frigate]

I used Calm Mind Booster Flutter so yeah

+1 100 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Koraidon: 360-424 (173.9 - 204.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Thats just Overkill-

[bold geode]

I mean hell I've just now come to realize that maybe Koraidon is better than Groudon

[autumn vault]

Only exception to not use booster speed flutter is if you have tailwind and even then it is still probably better

[molten oasis]

i think a lot of people are coming to that realization

[bold geode]

Yeah then again, it could be like Incin in Reg F
Some people saying Incin was mid, but then Incineroar in Reg F was definitely not that

[solid frigate]

i kinda assume Koraidon would replace Groudon as Better Sun Setter,And wow its true

[autumn vault]

Thinking it will be great -> overhyped -> maybe it isn't overhyped?

[bold geode]

Groudon could make a comeback

[molten oasis]

yea

[autumn vault]

But yeah i think it wont do a huge comeback

[molten oasis]

i think its mostly just precimiss blades

[bold geode]

But right now, survey says Koraidon is getting it
Which tbh

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/azazel_the_god/status/1783951953887744216?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Justin Carris (@AzazeL_the_God) on X

🚨 Regulation G has really frustrated me so far.

I was struggling to build and struggling to play to my strengths. I slowed things down and took a break. After reflecting? I had a HUGE breakthrough.

I stole my friends team.

NEVER wait for your problems to fix themselves‼️

Twitter · Apr 26, 2024, 8:11 PM

[bold geode]

HO is big rn basically, and Koraidon is just more offensive so

[molten oasis]

lmfao

me rn

[bold geode]

I've been doing that for a while now, idk about you

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Groudon is just Competing Sun settingRole ,Meanwhile Kyogre:

[autumn vault]

Kyogre Pelipper, still competition

[bold geode]

Reg D, one of my main teams was Flutter/Rapid Urshifu/Amoongus/Landot/Hands/Heatran
VERY original

[autumn vault]

But yeah Kyogre for rain, Pelipper for rain that is not as important as kyogre's and wide guard

[solid frigate]

Pelipper is Good if you decided to not use Kyogre for some reason or another

[autumn vault]

That is true

[bold geode]

Then in Reg E, one of my teams was Roaring Moon/Heatran/Rilla/Rapid Urshifu/Mane/Landot
Very original again

[molten oasis]

i took jamie boyts thundy t team

that was a fun team

[bold geode]

Hell guys my Comfey Annihilape team was just a stolen concept from Tofu LMFAO

[solid frigate]

i just slapped Bolt(Previously Meowscarada) and Ogerpon into Portland 15th Team lol

[molten oasis]

the stuff im doing was from tofu and technically yotam

[bold geode]

And my one CM Bolt team was damn near Japan balance

[molten oasis]

i got it from tofu, the idea came from yotam

[bold geode]

Hell Reg G I'm still stealing ideas

But I'm still a bit more original lol

[solid frigate]

at least thats a somewhat good thing lol

[bold geode]

Original idea for sure

[solid frigate]

Zamazenta Goated

from a Terapagos player

[bold geode]

I have yet to fight a Zama mirror

[autumn vault]

People aren't worried too much about it, Zamazenta can be super annoying

Wide guard snarl howl body press etc.

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/05769f3ebe306211
ORB

https://pokepast.es/ce75f1a8aed52a35
VEST

[solid frigate]

Zama just destroy my Terapagos if i did not kill t quick enough

[forest arrow]

Time for some TornKyu testing

[bold geode]

Using utility moves on Zama rn is kind of a trap ngl

[solid frigate]

so jjust use Iron Defense and Body Press with some Behemoth Bash?

[bold geode]

Heavy Slam

Though I won't say why
Figure it out yourself

[autumn vault]

Behemoth bash is good enough but heavy slam can be very good and maybe even better than bash

But it checks flutter and Kyurems

[polar canyon]

Can I know why

[solid frigate]

ok i think i know why-

[polar canyon]

There's a lot of heavy mons in the meta

[bold geode]

Guess
It's very easy

[polar canyon]

Just for flutter?

Does bash really not do that

[bold geode]

Well something about Flutter and something else

[solid frigate]

Flutter and the Weight.

[polar canyon]

Chien

[forest arrow]

Slam doesn’t get affected by Intim does it?

[bold geode]

Nope

[polar canyon]

Idk

[autumn vault]

Kyurem?

[polar canyon]

Calyrex is heavy

[autumn vault]

Shadow rider isn't

Bu Ice rider is VERY heavy

[solid frigate]

i knew something about the weigth of the pokemon

[bold geode]

BINGO
I'll give you it cuz you mentioned it

[polar canyon]

What it doesn't?

[bold geode]

Intimidate does affect Intimidate

[solid frigate]

Oh well shi-

[autumn vault]

Both affect each other, got it

Not sure if that was intentional

But yes it does nerf incin landorus therian and H-arc

[polar canyon]

Intimidate doesn't affect heavy slam?

[forest arrow]

Heavy slam is just like body press using defenses instead of attack so intim doesn’t affect it

[bold geode]

And at -1, Behemoth Bash fails to get the OHKO on Mane, while Heavy Slam can do it depending on just how bulky Flutter is
If you're more bulky, it misses it by a little
If not, you get smacked

[solid frigate]

except is for weight

[autumn vault]

I did not know that

[bold geode]

Nope it uses attack

[mighty stump]

What

[autumn vault]

Oh right, cap

[bold geode]

It uses attack still

Body Press uses Defense

[forest arrow]

I just asked you lol

[autumn vault]

No wonder i didn't know that

[mighty stump]

Bro 😭

[polar canyon]

Yeah because it's not true

[bold geode]

Well Body Press uses Defense
Heavy Slam still goes off attack
It's just the BP that is affected by weights

[mighty stump]

None of you are beating the literacy allegations

[forest arrow]

No I know im stupid lmao

[polar canyon]

I'll happily take the allegations that I am literate

[bold geode]

Did I word it wrong at some point Tofu

[polar canyon]

This

[bold geode]

That's not what he meant lmao

[mighty stump]

Case in point omg

[bold geode]

I meant he mentioned Intimidate, which no one was mentioning

[forest arrow]

My bad lol I know what you mean now Monke

[solid frigate]

so Heavy Slam,Body Press,Iron Defense and Wide Guard/Protect?

[forest arrow]

Protect

[autumn vault]

I would go Wide Guard

[bold geode]

Yeah like even with like Tera Fairy Bolt, Heavy Slam does less, but it's not much of a difference that you can take the value to roll for better Flutter KO chances

[bold geode]

I go Heavy Slam/IDBP/Protect

[autumn vault]

If not, guaranteed odds to one shot flutter

[polar canyon]

That's why I was thinking is it really worth the mane ko through intimidate

[solid frigate]

protect is more safer but eh, Urshifu exists

[autumn vault]

Since flutter is lighter than my joycon

[solid frigate]

ah ok

[autumn vault]

I would consider protect

It only depends on the team

[bold geode]

I think the difference was around 2-3% iirc? Wasn't over 5% for sure

[solid frigate]

how light is flutter?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

Weight (Low Kick BP)

4kg (20 BP)

Height

1.4m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Gray

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[bold geode]

It's light
But the thing is Heavy Slam is STAB + Zamazenta is fat

[mighty stump]

4kg

[autumn vault]

Need passve recovery? Protect
Super worried about spread moves? Guard

[polar canyon]

Now I need to know mismagius weight

[autumn vault]

But protect is generally better

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 429: Mismagius

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/60/60/105/105/105

Total

495

Weight (Low Kick BP)

4.4kg (20 BP)

Height

0.9m

Introduced

Generation 4

Pre-evolution

Misdreavus

Egg groups

Amorphous

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Purple

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 429: Mismagius

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/60/60/105/105/105

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Damn it

[bold geode]

I think now generally that Wide Guard has fucked me more than helped

[autumn vault]

I do not take it back, my joycon is probably heavier than flutter

[bold geode]

On Zama at least

[forest arrow]

I just think Wide guarding your restricted and having it do nothing is a hindrance

[autumn vault]

4.4 KG

Or 20 BP

[polar canyon]

Wide guard is gonna kinda help with calyrex

[bold geode]

Yeah, in single restricted, more than likely with a setup Mon like Zama, you really want it to be proactive in turns instead of reactive with Wide Guard

[polar canyon]

But like

Yeah

That's why I don't like wide guard lunala

[solid frigate]

it depends on which restricted is opponent running,Protect seems more viable,i rather have a guarteed chill round but only stopped by Urshifu than risk it

[polar canyon]

You want the restricted to be the one acting

[forest arrow]

That’s why you use peli with wide guard and drizzle to hinder fire types against zama

[bold geode]

Like the only restricted Mon that I feel like can get away with Wide Guard is Lunala

[forest arrow]

I think if I ran zama peli would be my first choice for a partner for it

[bold geode]

That's what others do lol

[polar canyon]

I'll so use wide guard lunala in double restricted but rn I don't think I like it

[solid frigate]

i might use Terapagos Lunala but that can change

[bold geode]

Honestly in general I think Zamazenta is just a bad bring into Calyrex Shadow though
Like if you bring it into Shadow Rider, you've kinda already lost there

[polar canyon]

You can heavy slam for like 30%

[solid frigate]

its basically like you don't have an Option to increase your SPD

[polar canyon]

I'm just guessing but like probably a 3hko right

[solid frigate]

so Zamazenta's weakness is Caly S and Terapagos is Caly I

Quite the Contrary

[bold geode]

Don't know actually
It's only really worth if you can make it Tera Fairy beforehand if it's even that tera

[bold geode]

Not necessarily
Just Ghost types in general give it a bit of an issue, especially Gholdengo

[polar canyon]

Calyrex is one of those you can only tell with ots right

[solid frigate]

make sense

[bold geode]

But also Chi Yu and Landorus Incarnate hurt it bad, but that's why we have 5 other members

[polar canyon]

All it takes is one scarf shifu

[solid frigate]

my team now has 2 mons that resist Caly S and 1 that is immune to Astral Barrage

[bold geode]

And an Incineroar too lmfao

[polar canyon]

For lando i?

[solid frigate]

but Caly I.... only Incineroar resist it

[bold geode]

For the Ghosts

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e36631f4b8e25dae

[polar canyon]

Using incineroar to counter lando incarnate is crazy

[bold geode]

What, you worried about Zama vs Caly I? Bitch plz

[polar canyon]

Freest matchup

Maybe not as much as terapagos

[bold geode]

Just slap the default damage calculator spread for Zamazenta and just look at those calcs lol

You'll understand

[solid frigate]

I mean Terapagos-

i don't have a Zama team-

[bold geode]

Oh
Idk about Terapagos, but you probably got a way you haven't seen yet

[solid frigate]

i think bringing back incin is probably a good idea rn

[polar canyon]

I gotta find a way to deal with caly shadow for the ursaluna bm dusk mane team

I'm not leading ursaluna when they have urshifu

So I can't just use the normal type as a counter

[solid frigate]

isn't BM ursa good against Caly S in Trick room?

[polar canyon]

I also fought one that had a min speed clefairy with after you for trick room

[solid frigate]

ah

nvm i fought that before

[polar canyon]

And it just ohkod ursa with +2 psychic

[bold geode]

Run Wisp Incin

Threatens a Tera more

[polar canyon]

The amount of ways there are to make it even harder to deal with is crazy

[bold geode]

And iirc, Terapagos likes it when mons tera

[polar canyon]

Even in trick room caly shadow still gets to go first

[solid frigate]

yep

[solid frigate]

228+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 133-157 (76 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Just did Calcs and thats kinda insane-

[bold geode]

Literally Wolfe team

[polar canyon]

Stellar tera blast would be really cool if it didn't have the drawback

[polar canyon]

Oh that's why

Haven't seen that one yet

[solid frigate]

i'm so close beating it lol

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to lab with Mimikyu

Ehhh a good base would be something like Mimikyu Incineroar and maybe Glastrier? Or a TR restricted

[bold geode]

No video on it yet, just like he won a big Limitless tour with it

[bold geode]

Do you really want the cheese lmao

[polar canyon]

Caly shadow has no counters fr

[polar canyon]

Half joking

[solid frigate]

Calyrex S,Clefairy,Urshifu Rapid,Incin,Rilla and if forgot which pokemon-

[polar canyon]

Not even trick room

[solid frigate]

Turtle with 2 Calm Minds:

but that can be done with just pure damage onto other supporters

[polar canyon]

That's why I'm half joking

And like tera dark

[solid frigate]

My Grimmsnarl once died to +4 Caly S lol

[polar canyon]

I'm actually liking tera ghost calm mind ursa

[foggy lodge]

This is all i have lol https://pokepast.es/c5b1d415fae28bae

[solid frigate]

Mimikyu moment

[polar canyon]

It's cool on paper

But then mimikyu is just a free tr that dies right after

Wisp is cool

[solid frigate]

i just fuck this and Throw away the Healing On Terapagos Teams and straight went for Offense

[forest arrow]

I’m liking Torn with Kyu

[bold geode]

While I don't advise using Mimikyu as it's not been that good for half a minute
If you REALLY wanna use Mimikyu
Once again don't advise this, don't try at home kids

Mimikyu and Weakness Policy Calyrex Ice Rider

Maybe idk if it still will work

[solid frigate]

the final line could be a in a YT video

[polar canyon]

Reminds me of gen 8

[foggy lodge]

Man please revert the nerf to disguise

[bold geode]

That's where the idea is from LMFAO
Why I say idk if it still works

[mighty stump]

welp

got 23rd

[foggy lodge]

Some Pokémon needs their tools back, maybe Talonflame's gale wings

[bold geode]

You got the ingredients, now destroy the kitchen

[bold geode]

Out of how many?

[polar canyon]

What's lame is they absolutely knew what they were doing when they made calyrex the way it is

[mighty stump]

I think 100 people

[bold geode]

Ooh top quarter

[polar canyon]

They want to make comp players have to buy dlc to have the obviously best mon

[bold geode]

Not bad but could be better
Decent showing

I need to get back into tours

[polar canyon]

Good old days of turn 1 dmax wp self activation

[bold geode]

I always hate those type things though
Although I started this gen so

[mighty stump]

Yea, when you get hit Paras from the first TBolts of the game it kinda hurts

[foggy lodge]

Why Zamazenta loses 10 points in speed when it's crowned but Zacian gains 10 points

[bold geode]

Ouch
That sucks
I've been getting burned a decent bit from opposing Flare Blitz myself

[foggy lodge]

The wings make her more aerodynamic or what?

[bold geode]

Zamazenta is more prioritized in bulk really

[solid frigate]

Moment of Silence when both Urshifu Killed Each other

[foggy lodge]

How

[solid frigate]

i just Parting Shotted Eternatus and let him can't touch my Terapagos

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112305940

[bold geode]

How high on ladder

[solid frigate]

sadly its still low

I'm 1220

[bold geode]

Lol
I haven't seen an Eternatus at all

[solid frigate]

i was playing badly as well lol

[foggy lodge]

Eternatus looks fine for a BO1 CTS

But i would never bring it to a tournament

[mighty stump]

The only vaguely ok Eternatus was a Meteor Beam set

[foggy lodge]

I'm not spamming Cosmic power for 9 sets in a row lol

[mighty stump]

thje Stall ones suck lol

[timber falcon]

It’s literally some cosmic power toxic shit

[bold geode]

Shhhh
Let Moxie still cope with Eternatus Wo Chien lmao

[timber falcon]

Quite literally using the move toxic

[foggy lodge]

I still don't know why you would wanna use Wo-Chien over something like Incineroar or just any intimidate user

[solid frigate]

the eternatus i fought has Cosmic Power,DC,Protect and Meteor Beam,literally can't touch my Terapagos even after the buffs cuz i have Earth Power

[foggy lodge]

Maybe to get a better match up against something like Kingambit¿

[timber falcon]

So it loses completely to steel types lul

[solid frigate]

not even flamethrower is present

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 979: Annihilape

Types

Fighting/Ghost

Abilities

Vital Spirit, Inner Focus, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/115/80/50/90/90

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

da ape

[foggy lodge]

Why this thing died? Because it's like the perfect Incineroar counter

[solid frigate]

Caly S:

[foggy lodge]

Nono i get it

[bold geode]

Because Maushold died and nobody wanted to experiment past MausApe
Although Reg F it was hard to figure out
And Reg G I'm sorry, probably not best mon

[foggy lodge]

Yeah because

I thinks it's good lol

It doesn't have a horrible match up against some things of the regulation F meta outside of Flutter Mane

[bold geode]

Yeah Reg F it's just harder to work with cuz like the old partners in crime for it are dead so it's a hard work around
But Reg G I just don't see it being worthwhile aside from Final Gambit shit which I don't really be fond of

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

Yes?

[chrome knot]

check pms

i cooked…

[mighty stump]

u didnt send me anything

[solid frigate]

yep i lost to one

the stall mons on it is just-

ok what the fuck trick room Miraidon team????

[bold geode]

Ok Tofu I just read up on My Hero
|| We got some kickass thing in JJK meanwhile MHA has now went Endgame on its ass lol ||

[solid frigate]

ok somehow i beat both Koraidon and Miraidon with Just Tornadus and Terapagos

[dapper crag]

Tofu I still can't belive you reported me

[polar canyon]

My bro did nothing to deserve that

Idk what happened actually

Probably deserved

[foggy lodge]

It's mandatory to play Indeedee with 0 speed iv?

[dapper crag]

No he said I sent an invite to the server but I didn't

[polar canyon]

Is your account by any chance hacked

[dapper crag]

No

Wym

[polar canyon]

Hacked people do that

[dapper crag]

Do what

[polar canyon]

Nvm

[dapper crag]

Send invites?

[polar canyon]

Yea

[dapper crag]

I didn't the mods said I didn't and it was someone else

But I still can't belive mans really tries to frame me like that

[polar canyon]

Classic tofu

[dapper crag]

What does he do that alot

[solid frigate]

well...

[dapper crag]

No joke my grandma's pet fish broke its knees after hearing my uncle speak Portuguese in a Australian accent

Yall are missing out if you run wood hammer instead if horn leech on pon

[solid frigate]

We know,we have used Wood Hammer

[marsh creek]

You’re still hung up on an issue from 3 weeks ago that you were cleared from? Your main account @dapper crag is still here and not banned/muted, why bother making an alt?

[dapper crag]

I'm nit I just gotta address that I am afnan without directly saying it

[marsh creek]

Again, why bother? You’ve all but admitted at this point, not really any point in an alt especially when you’ve given away who you are

[dapper crag]

Ok man all this text and punctuation is getting confusing

I'll stop talking abt the incident

[marsh creek]

But why did you make an alt? That’s what we wanna know

[stark kindle]

[dapper crag]

🤫 uts private man

[foggy lodge]

[dapper crag]

And also I deleted bezos how do u still have it

[marsh creek]

Look, if you deleted your old account and want people to know you’re bezos, then just change your nickname instead of bringing up old drama. It’ll work better anyway

[dapper crag]

Fair

Thank for idea

[mighty stump]

Oh boy another account for the block list

Anyways

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

why this is ded-

[gentle badger]

Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
Eruption/Protect/Overheat/Solar Beam
Fire Tera```
I'm bacc, and I have a probably reasonable sunny Torkoal build

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/d5520cd3c0258169 the team evolved ||I dropped Porygon2||

[fringe oar]

Anyone know the nicholas donnelly charlotte regional teams ev spread

[next stump]

i don’t think they were ever publicly shared (maybe they were? it’s been a while) but that team is soon to be pretty outdated

[fringe oar]

Outdated as in bad or old

[next stump]

both, the rules change in 4 days to allow restricted legendaries

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112441158

Lmao Pelipper and Terapagos just doing mind game

[gentle badger]

Okay my current Sun team so far is a fully prepped Venusaur and a freshly caught Torkoal (in the context that I have not prepped it yet). What else should I add to the sun team?

[solid frigate]

Paste?

[gentle badger]

Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
Sleep Powder/Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb/Weather Ball
Fire Tera```
```Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
Eruption/Protect/Overheat/Solar Beam
Fire Tera```

[gentle badger]

here it is

[vestal elk]

what would i use insead

u thing i cn use caly s

think

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 901: Ursaluna

Types

Ground/Normal

Abilities

Guts, Bulletproof, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/140/105/45/80/50

Total

550

Other Formes

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 475: Gallade

Types

Psychic/Fighting

Abilities

Steadfast, Sharpness, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/125/65/65/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gallade-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

Huh

[solid frigate]

either sharpness or guts

[chrome knot]

what

[gentle badger]

okay, but seriously, what should I Add to the team?

[bold geode]

Brother I fucking wish I did when it was relevant (reg about to be over)

[fast root]

Can someone explain to me how slow Start works am I affected by it or is that the opponent

[molten oasis]

you are

it only affects regigigas

[strange fjord]

its a bad ability to make regigigas bad bc its stats are too good.

[fast root]

And revaroom

[chrome knot]

regigigas is the only relevant slow start user but yes also revaroom

if for some reason you gave it that ability

[fast root]

The reason why I was asking was I’ve been hunting the shiny revaroom outbreaks and I finally got a decent one and I was wondering if it was worth patching but from the sounds of it it’s not

And I’m still trying to come up with a name for it

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/miau-gif-14044853072993287312

solgaleo seems pretty cool

after a helping hand it one hit kills incineroar with close combat

i dont think id ever run it without close combat

[torn parrot]

i think its ability makes it really nice as a physical attacker

gives it room for an item

that isnt clear amulet

[cyan smelt]

Bulldoze wp?

[torn parrot]

or even just life orb who knows

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

Uhhh

Maybe?

Sorry i don't see it doing anything more tha do a good damage

[dapper crag]

Solgaleo's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Crunch, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Stone Edge, Sunsteel Strike, Take Down, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Psychic, Psyshock, Snarl, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Cosmic Power, Endure, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Morning Sun, Noble Roar, Protect, Psych Up, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Teleport, Trick Room, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Solgaleo.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

Oh it has psychic fangs

And wide guard

[timber falcon]

I mean yeah, it is very offensive and arguably the best reg G legend, so why not

[vestal elk]

ok

can ugive a build for it?

like items n moveset

[torn parrot]

i think his bulk makes up for it

in my opinion anyways

i dont think he's like anything special but

i think he's a pretty cool cat

and a usable restricted

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s good bulk, but there’s a reason it’s not being used

there’s better restricteds

[autumn vault]

Dusk Mane Necrozma is literally an upgrade outside of ability and even then it is still a great ability

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/157/127/113/109/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Lower hp and speed

It gets Dragon Dance and higher defenses along with morning sun

It doesn't matter

https://pokepast.es/325755ea01eb981d How is the team (outside of Kyurem-B)?

[molten oasis]

Just play a loaded dice set

Treat it like baxcalibur

Tera ice blast doesn’t make up for its lack of ice coversge

To a point that it does for lando for example

Cuz otherwise you get walled by steel/fairy types

[autumn vault]

As much as a Loaded Dice set would be useful, being intimidated is never a good thing, plus after a knock off it has 2 moves that is has to gamble for and pray it doesn't hit 2 or 3 times and remember kyurem black doesn't have a SE move against incineroar, but yeah i will test both and see how good they are

Those are very valid points

Fuck, a calyrex-ice torkoal team beat me

[knotty mirage]

Is necrozma dawn wing viable for trick room team on reg G ?

[autumn vault]

I think so

You can do Bulldoze Weakness Policy which can be really threatening if set up right

Dragon Dance sets are also very threatening if set up right

[knotty mirage]

Uh dawn wing is not weak too bulldoze

[pearl wind]

you can do TR + 3 attacks (one of them being meteor beam) with power herb if you want

[dapper crag]

Kyurem-Black's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Fly, Freeze Shock, Fusion Bolt, Giga Impact, Ice Fang, Icicle Spear, Iron Head, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stone Edge, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Freeze-Dry, Glaciate, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Sheer Cold, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Helping Hand, Imprison, Light Screen, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyurem-Black.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Oh i thought you refered to dusk mane

[knotty mirage]

Ah alright i guess i can try that then i want to use lunala but my lunala have best speed IV and caly i can't have both ice and shadow at same time

[autumn vault]

Dawn wings is quite trash

But yeah i can see it succeeding with tera

[knotty mirage]

Ah okay do you have any restricted mon that's good for trick room then ?

That's not caly ice because i already have shadow on my balance team

[autumn vault]

Dusk Mane, Dialga, Palkia, Dialga-O, Lunala, Calyrex-Ice

[knotty mirage]

I wonder then can best speed IV lunala will still work for trick room

[autumn vault]

Impossible!

[molten oasis]

Ok

I don’t think Tera ice Tera blast with only dragon stab is also ass

And if you’re that worried about knock off and intimidate ruining it, use something else

[autumn vault]

Update: Got clapped with both, i think i will just use one of my alts on showdown and see if it is good or not, probably not but it needs further testing that 2 matches with different sets

[molten oasis]

I feel like you’ve been told it’s bad enough but whatever

[autumn vault]

I knew it wasn't that good, in the 1st match it had a tr torkoal calyrex ice team

2nd had a koraidon team

in the 1st match i used tera ice blast

in the 2nd match it was the loaded dice set

And yes i am very aware of how many times i have been told it wasn't that great

[molten oasis]

Yea, well have whatever fun you can with that

[autumn vault]

Rn i have responsibilities but i will get back with Kyurem-Black soon

[molten oasis]

Currently thinking about options to explore so, not trying to go too deep into anything here

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112615936 I got a win with Kyurem Black loaded dice, well atleast i got a path for it i want to use

I also wonder why didn't the groudon use amulet

[dapper crag]

Is terapogos good

For comp

[molten oasis]

Very

It’s really strong

[cyan smelt]

walls caly-s too

[mighty stump]

Walls is wrong

Particularly the ones in high elo that should be running Psyshock

[cyan smelt]

are caly-s running astral, psyshock, nasty plot and protect?

[mighty stump]

Pretty much

Terapagos drops to Psyshock

[cyan smelt]

can nothing stop this deer riding a horse?

[knotty mirage]

Maybe galarian moltress can wall caly s

[cyan smelt]

Urshifu rapid with scarf outspeeds it ig

[molten oasis]

assuming its not draining kiss

you can wall caly, assuming it has no boosts

[knotty mirage]

It could work right at least galar moltress will not immediately drop dead too caly s fighting type partner

[knotty mirage]

I mean if youre talking about scarf rapidshifu wouldn't that also applied too caly s

[cyan smelt]

Caly s doesn't run scarf

[timber falcon]

i doubt

[molten oasis]

Dark types wall the stabs

Not the coverage moves

[cyan smelt]

Farigiraf with foul play and shadow ball seems like a good call

[molten oasis]

Yea, tofu already beat you to that call lol

[cyan smelt]

I figured

[knotty mirage]

I'm actually just thinking to use my usual tornshifu to get rid of caly s

Still don't know if that gonna work well

[solid frigate]

Prankster Tailwind+Surging Strikes

or rain dance+Surging

[cyan smelt]

I've seen some teams run tornshifu and kyogre

[knotty mirage]

I ussualy just tailwind+surging with water terra

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 126-153 (72 - 87.4%) -- approx. 2HKO
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Rain on a critical hit: 192-228 (109.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[knotty mirage]

It can one shot pretty much everything that's doesn't ressist it

[solid frigate]

rain dance surging is more for Max Max Min choice scarf

[autumn vault]

Tera?

Probably an OHKO

[solid frigate]

i'm using the turtle-

[autumn vault]

Ok

[solid frigate]

plus my urshifu is Tera Steel for Flutter Mane shenanagins

[autumn vault]

Oh right

[timber falcon]

sorry i didnt see this, max spatck , max speed, life orb, astral barrage, draining kiss, encore , protect and fairy tera

thats the one i suse at least

[cyan smelt]

Why did they nerf zacian, eleki and urshifu single but decide the calys were fine

[solid frigate]

idfk

DLC 2 moment

[timber falcon]

game freaks brain when balancing is as sharp as a watermelon

[solid frigate]

Heck Terapagos is also DLC 2 Legendary and they need to nerf it in Gen 10

Cuz Tera is not a a thing in Gen 10

[cyan smelt]

It won't have tera in gen 10

[timber falcon]

who knows

[solid frigate]

ik

[timber falcon]

is it confirmed?

[solid frigate]

i mean Megas are back so tera might have a chance to return

[timber falcon]

yeah, and it wouldnt make sense to invalidate pokemon that hard with regional gimmicks

like ogerpon

[solid frigate]

Unless you are eternamax Eternatus that can't use it in game

but then again eternatus is already powerful without that

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon would still be fine without Tera,cuz it still have mask changing

[cyan smelt]

The masks can just be a held item in gen 10

[timber falcon]

but how would u activate the abilities?

[solid frigate]

unless GF go all out on Gen 10 and bring back all the Gimmicks,

[solid frigate]

you don't

[cyan smelt]

Just build it into the item, like how rusted sword and shield give boosts

[solid frigate]

ok thats truly make Ogerpon Zacian and Zamazenta moment

[vestal elk]

ok tks

[autumn vault]

Feels weird seeing Groudon have more success early on and then seeing it dip

Maybe Koraidon wasn't so overhyped

[solid frigate]

perfectly Hyped if i gonna say

i worried more on Koraidon than Groudon when early

[autumn vault]

Honestly i always saw more potential on Koraidon then Groudon

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

Flutter on the enemy team? Just pivot/switch or tera fire

Simple as that

In double restricted formats we might see both in sun teams

Although it isn't a great idea

[cyan smelt]

Aren't we already seeing torkoal and koraidon to maintain weather control

[solid frigate]

yeah we already saw it,and Miraidon also being on Fraud watch because nobody knows how to build it

[cyan smelt]

Groudon is still good if you can live with precipice blades missing

[knotty mirage]

Wait miraidon is not doing that great in this reg ?

[solid frigate]

Miraidon itself is very great,but the Partners-

[cyan smelt]

Pair it with bolt lol

[solid frigate]

Electric Terrain makes Amoonguss and Rillaboom not good for Miraidon

[cyan smelt]

Monke goated

[knotty mirage]

Ah okay i guess future paradox is overhyped then i hear back then they will dominate on restricted format

[timber falcon]

thats why (for me at least) they ALWAYS just voltswitch back out

[solid frigate]

Well Bundle,Jugilus,Hands and Valiant are only ones look well

[cyan smelt]

Don't forget miraidon has overheat

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah theyre good but not that great

[solid frigate]

yeah the pokemon itself is fine but teambuiling is hard with Miraidon

[knotty mirage]

Oh well i guess i will just use miraidon for my bss team then

[solid frigate]

heck i made a Miraidon team with Lando I and Entei for some reason

[knotty mirage]

[autumn vault]

Miraidon is better than Zekrom as we all know
Here are some stuff that makes Zekrom has something over miraidon
Allowing rillaboom and amoonguss onto the team, Miraidon has to rely on ogerpon for grass typing
Not giving a damn about terrain
Set up sweeping can be really dangerous, Miraidon gets calm mind and agility but dragon dance is a little better than both
Idk more

[solid frigate]

Miraidon has more output,Zekrom gives more Utlilty basically

[cyan smelt]

i want to use my boy skeledirge

[solid frigate]

at least Skeledirge ignore stat boosts

[cyan smelt]

yeah that's the main reason i want to use it, the big problem for it is caly-s

[autumn vault]

I love Skeledirge but flutter mane and calyrex-shadow prevents me from using it

[autumn vault]

Zekrom is a little easier to build around, basically

But many pokemon can do what Zekrom already does

And Miraidon is just better

[chrome knot]

yay calyrex ice

[autumn vault]

I would have seperated both but they are practically the same and polls have a limit of 10

man if only 11 was the limit

[chrome knot]

so i clicked calyrex

bc i just assumed it was both together unless it was secretly only for the guy (!!)

[autumn vault]

It is both together don't worry

Plus the pokemon itself only changes depending on the steed, the onion doesn't

The onion is calyrex itself

[chrome knot]

big fuckin head

[autumn vault]

Calyrex is the better Megamind tbh

[solid frigate]

Onion Horse

[autumn vault]

What nature should H-Lilligant be in reg G? Probably Jolly but that might be overkill

And yes i am using beside Groudon

[patent marsh]

Koraidon Gigachad

[torn parrot]

I wonder who the 1 zamazenta vote was

[patent marsh]

💀

aight one more save and it's all done been procrastinating this second last save for too long

[chrome knot]

jolly, theres a few more things to outspeed now

[autumn vault]

Ok, thanks for answering it

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[torn parrot]

It was me

[cyan smelt]

zamazenta is underrated

snarl, wide guard and ironpress

[solid frigate]

its underrated but now is finally good

[autumn vault]

Yes

[torn parrot]

I think gamefreak is stupid sometimes

[autumn vault]

Ngl Behemoth Bash should have used it's defense stat

[torn parrot]

that they didn’t give it body press in the first place

[autumn vault]

Atleast it can be supportive and do huge damage

But nope, it didn't and it didn't have body press

[torn parrot]

and the fact that they gave the lake trio expanding force before anyone

I think they might be dum

[patent marsh]

rehashed behemoth blade kek

[solid frigate]

and they did not nerf Calyrex

[autumn vault]

They nerfed Zacian Regieleki Zamazenta, even cresselia but they didn't touch calyrex for some mind boggling reason

And shadow rider got banned to AG in smogon

[cyan smelt]

they also nerfed urshifu single strike

[solid frigate]

who in the right mind said

"Hey lets nerf every Galar Legendary except for them cuz we want to triggered some Competitive Players outright!"

[solid frigate]

so technically Urshifu kinda does get nerfed

[cyan smelt]

they made wicked blow 75 bp instead of 80

[autumn vault]

1 word: DLC

[solid frigate]

75 instead 90 i think??

[cyan smelt]

it used to be 80

[dapper crag]

Move: Wicked Blow

This move is always a critical hit unless the target is under the effect of Lucky Chant or has the Battle Armor or Shell Armor Abilities.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

80

Max Power

130

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Oh-

[autumn vault]

Also Ice rider got nerfed in gen 9

[solid frigate]

but still SV DLC Legendaries would also get nerfed

[dapper crag]

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

130

Max Power

140

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

ice rider has clear amulet now though

[solid frigate]

Snow Buffs:

[knotty mirage]

Does as one get affected by neutralizing gas ?

[dapper crag]

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

130 -> 120

[chrome knot]

thats fine ice rider gets clear amulet

[solid frigate]

Snow Buffs and Clear Amulet makes the nerf obselete

[chrome knot]

you don’t really play it in snow…

[dapper crag]

Move: Astral Barrage

No additional effect.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

120

Max Power

140

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

they need to stop making powerful spread moves with no drawbacks

[solid frigate]

at least Terapagos is conditional

plus its weaker than the base Starstorm due to no stab

[cyan smelt]

why precipice blades and origin pulse inaccurate but glacial lance and astral barrage are 100% accurate

[patent marsh]

terapagos gonna lose everything once tera goes away though

[chrome knot]

except it gains the ability to be neutral everywhere & super effective against tera

[solid frigate]

thats just the move's condition

abilities are basically Multiscale and Air Lock

[autumn vault]

And do more damage

[chrome knot]

waow 2 really strong abilities in 1

[cyan smelt]

can they stop making mons with two abilities as well lmao

[vestal elk]

isnt caly ice n shadow the only poke with 2 abilitys??

[chrome knot]

ogerpon & terapagos technically

[cyan smelt]

terapagos has tera shell and then teraform zero

[patent marsh]

they probs mean terapagos n ogerpon with their tera ability

[vestal elk]

ohh ye

but it aint at same time

[patent marsh]

technically speaking it's bound to the mechanic

it's not the same'

[solid frigate]

and Terapagos's Stellar Tera Starstorm does not have STAB

[cyan smelt]

hits everything for neutral

[autumn vault]

Most likely a good thing

[knotty mirage]

Doesn't ghost just straight up immune to it

[autumn vault]

But give it STAB just because calyrex exists

[vestal elk]

ig its immune in normal form but whenm tera its not

[cyan smelt]

when terapagos teras it hits ghost types too

[patent marsh]

when tera'd it's neutral to all and super effective to tera'd targets

[cyan smelt]

still more balanced than the calys

[patent marsh]

yea cause bound to mechanic

[knotty mirage]

Well damn i guess terrapagos gonna be really bad on next gen

[patent marsh]

once tera goes ppPoof terapagos is going to be pretty unplayable

[vestal elk]

u think terapegos will get a buff from the next gimmik??

[autumn vault]

Unless they give it a way to access it's terastal form

[cyan smelt]

i hope so i love the little guy

[patent marsh]

they probably need to do some rework so it's an actual mon without tera if they throw away tera

[knotty mirage]

Looking at behemoth blade yeah no

[patent marsh]

but yea unlikely since neither behemoth blade n bash got changed

[knotty mirage]

It just gonna be high damage normal type attack

[autumn vault]

Any 6th member suggestions?

[cyan smelt]

flutter

[patent marsh]

flutter mane

[autumn vault]

I don't want to

[cyan smelt]

incin

[autumn vault]

Fire slot taken

[vestal elk]

wont incin make this team weak to water

[autumn vault]

Sun

Sun lowers water type attacks by 50%

[vestal elk]

ohh ye forgot

[autumn vault]

So it wouldn't matter too much

[vestal elk]

what abt rillaboom??

[autumn vault]

Guess i will go with cloth demon

[patent marsh]

lilligant there for grass

[cyan smelt]

how about speed control

[patent marsh]

tornadus my goat

[autumn vault]

2 grass types

[cyan smelt]

farig or torn?

[autumn vault]

I said i will go with cloth demon, i meant flutter mane

[vestal elk]

ye tornadus is op

[chrome knot]

lilligant needs her best friend :<

[autumn vault]

Which one?

[cyan smelt]

wait how about torkoal just in case of tr

[autumn vault]

Flutter is already in the team

[chrome knot]

torkoal friend

[autumn vault]

Fire slot taken

But i will consider it

[cyan smelt]

also rain shuts your team down so you might want to consider how you're gonna keep sun up

[autumn vault]

Sure why not

[autumn vault]

I have bolt to counter the water types

Ogerpon hearthflame is another answer

[cyan smelt]

kyogre runs tera grass now

[patent marsh]

bolt n walking wake works fine

[autumn vault]

In sun it isn't that good

[patent marsh]

since walking wake does also somewhat work in rain

[autumn vault]

It is a beast in rain

[patent marsh]

[vestal elk]

wait guys jus ta question is iron leaves still available??

[cyan smelt]

yes

[patent marsh]

yea\

[vestal elk]

what do i sue for it

[autumn vault]

The event has released again

[vestal elk]

nice

[cyan smelt]

kingambit walls it

[patent marsh]

#wo-chien_raids

[vestal elk]

tks

[patent marsh]

go get those 0 atk walking wakes if it's there ig

[autumn vault]

Sacred Sword

[cyan smelt]

it doesn't have that in the raids

[autumn vault]

I swear it had that previously

[patent marsh]

the raid don't have it but after you catch it you can just remind it

[autumn vault]

Ok i get it

[solid frigate]

remind Iron Leaves that It can kill Kingambit lol

[cyan smelt]

iron leaves is mid

[solid frigate]

we know

[cyan smelt]

i want it to be good but it's just not

[patent marsh]

iron boulder 😭

[vestal elk]

isnt iron boulder like broken though

[solid frigate]

i always forgot it does not do stab which makes it very weak and 130 SpA does not help at all

[patent marsh]

the typing too bad

[cyan smelt]

boulder has a horrible typing

[patent marsh]

too many weaknesses

[vestal elk]

cant like tera help that

[cyan smelt]

if something needs to be a tera hog to be good it's not a good pokemon

[vestal elk]

fair

[solid frigate]

Left:Terastal
Right:Stellar

look at the rolls,WHY IS IT WEAKER

ik its without the stab but still-

[cyan smelt]

spread

vs single target

[solid frigate]

wide guard.

[cyan smelt]

non stellar terapagos tera starstorm is single target

spread moves are weaker in doubles

[solid frigate]

same BP btw

[dapper crag]

I swear you were a zekrom stan

[solid frigate]

@autumn vault

[dapper crag]

Ohh

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Gets STAB in Non Stellar Starstorm
Stellar Does not for some reason

[vestal elk]

but it should be same no

cause the tera buff/stab

[solid frigate]

no its actually weaker than STAB

[vestal elk]

what

[solid frigate]

@vestal elk

unless i did wrong calc

[vestal elk]

idk lemem check

[solid frigate]

nope its the right calc

[vestal elk]

ye ur right

but i dint even know that tera startstorm take whatever is your higest atk or sp atk

[solid frigate]

WAIT WHA- it doesn't RIGHT???

[vestal elk]

it does liek itf ur higest stat is attk its follows attk stat n vise versa

it was in a wiki

[solid frigate]

thats Tera Blast not Tera Starstorm-

Tera Starstorm does not do that

[vestal elk]

i read from here

but items dont apply

[solid frigate]

ok i might seen thing wrongly but

it does not matter cuz its always gonna be special attacker

[vestal elk]

fair

[solid frigate]

but still why the heck it does not get stab is beyond me

that means i have to use 1 calm Mind to actually make it have stab

[vestal elk]

ye but pulling of 1 calm mind is kinda easy for terapegos

cause of it ability

[dapper crag]

Can someone send me a dn

Dm

I need to see how the new ui works

[solid frigate]

well unless Fake out Close Combat

[autumn vault]

Could have taken a screenshot of me but sure

[mighty stump]

cough

[vestal elk]

ye thats gonna be bad

[solid frigate]

a single protect would not hurt it,unless Urshifu

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/48f64e316d7816bf How is this?

I call it: Torllidon

[cyan smelt]

What about feint and then a spread move, that's gonna be bad too

[autumn vault]

This name sounds like a name that would be used in Palworld

[vestal elk]

ye but u saw my team right i just go for calm mind n light screen n reflect

[mighty stump]

Fire Punch is meh, and why is Ogerpon built like that

[autumn vault]

Yes i am aware i am not using flutter with groudon

[mighty stump]

9/10 times youre clicking Ivy Cudgel if you have sun