#competitive_discussion
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cant get out cuz of just, stupid shit
Explains it
Getting out of low ladder had never been harder
Low ladder is now ez for me
Reg G gimmicks are a pain
Anyways back to Tyranitar in reg G
i found a murkrow, yay
https://pokepast.es/6c9d55ba3bc994c3 The team i use with Tyranitar, also Murkrow is interesting
great
Lost?
lost to a guy who had a shifu faster than his ogerpon
Scarf?
no, it wasnt
That is weird
i literally won if that wasn't the case
how many vitamins do I buy to max out a stat from 0 to 252?
26
26, although you can get 2 feathers and save 25
im gonnna try icy wind on a9, i dont click helping hand much
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Also Ursaluna-blood moon was running a very weird set
trying to give venu Iron but it isn't having effect
i got crit again, lovley
The game has beef with you at this point
it is what it is
your EVs are maxed out then
that isn't supposed to be the case, I need the 4 Defense EVs
you successfully messed up somewhere that means
was it a fresh venu or has it been used in battles previously?
I tried to clear it out with the Stat reducer berries
are the Sp attack and Speed stats not supposed to be maxed out?
well, started at 1200's and ended in 1200's
Did you see that 22 turn game I had
Not at all monkey fan
Oh
I had to stall out a Clefairy, Mimikyu, Lunala, and Amoongus
It seems like you wouldn't have to, but it burned my Urshifu and burned my Tera Grass Incin
And just kept switching and spamming healing shit
are they?
fun
Which it's funny cuz it was a set
It was 22 turn one game and then just immediate 4 turn win
that sounds pretty lame lol
I agree
im gonna go get homework done now, i might reconsider kyurem's tera
might
i like boosting fusion flare a lot so, we'll see
Nah cuz see
For 5 turns after Shifu was burned, I just kept it in and spammed Strikes cuz I realized "well hell at least I can't be put to sleep" so I just used Shifu for chip until it died
Smeargle fusion bolt? Seriously dont do this, if you want to boost that go tera fire
Bye
And then realized "oh you're tryna stall me fuck it I'll do it too"
And then legit kept Amoongus Incin in the rest of the game and kept Zama in the back healthy, and killed their second Mon right at the end
turns out that I didn't use qualot berry yet
Seriously it looks like incineroar has 2 eyes, maybe it has 4 eyes?
according to calcium in Pokemon, Magic comes from the bones
oh yeah this is a question i keep forgetting to ask
but why hasnt showdown been copyright claimed?
not that i want it to be
I assume because it doesn't profit anything?
prolly didn't notice it yet.
It's still infringement, but it's a better chance of qualifying as fair use. It might also count as "informative"
No they definitely know about it
That’s not even a question
Because if showdown dissapeared the VGC playerbase numbers would go down dramatically
it doesnt infringe on their games at all really otherwise they would
Only copies the pokemon
i meant moreso sales wise
True
but yea also in what it does, its just a battle simulator. if they decide to make one again maybe then theyd take action. i hope not i love sd
they already took brick bronze from us, we can't stand to lose another legend.
Focus sash dissapears after one use
Man it's actually so odd not having Rilla for Psyspam
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder - Energy Bomb - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball
Tera: Ghost```
I need to give my venu something that isn't single use
Claude (Venusaur) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sleep Powder
- Energy Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Protect
I use this set myself
Fire can be swapped for Ghost
Bur I'm a filthy Zamazenta user
again I need to give venusaur something that wouldn't disappear.
I'm playing Violet, not showdown.
Life Orb never goes away
absolutely not
Honestly idk
there's leftovers and wide lens left.
I would go Wide Lens
and prolly covert cloak.
Or cloak
??
Personally i would go Cloak or Wide lends, Sash and L-Orb are the best items for it
Pokemon Violet
???
Still doesn't
npc battle
are you making a set for comp doubles?
yes, but I also want to use it in story gameplay.
Still doesn't dissapear

dude for ur story stuff it doesnt matter
just use what you want and u will still probably win
it doesnt matter for npc stuffs
Lmao
oh then im definitely hacking. mine doesnt 
this is gen 4
which also apparently coincidentally was only using it on VGC
Not gen 9

considering 3/4 of my attacks are 100% accuracy, I'd prolly go with covert cloak
Made into emote
goodluck with that cloak
fine I'll do Focus Sash
It wont dissapear anyways
You guys
bo3 anyone?
i can bo3 after my match rq
k
now that I'm nearly done setting up Venusaur, now I gotta partner them up with a sunsetter.
unfortunately, Torkoal doesn't seem to appear on the teammates list
@timber falcon ggs well played
yeah i need to work on Mus
Gg
i keep losing to teams like that and pagos
guess farig is getting subbed for bronzong
im surprised that cc did 33%
same, kwhite is beefy
well damn
You don't need items for a regular playthrough..
tofu is bronzong good into pagis
why bronzong exactly?
perfect counter (i think)
i feel double fo and shifu can handle paogs
and ice resist + kill
it takes time to get it going
yeah i try this, but they juts get shield back with floral
which you should try to use to your advantage
Just Snarl spam
unless they tera ofc
there is no counter
i meant without tera, sorry shouldve specified that
Doesn't matter
i struggle with regular pagos the most
what damage do you do back
Set up neutrals means you still threaten it
even if NVE, at +2 thats essentially neutral
i try and CC with shifu but they use comfey and get it back to max
+1 252+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Tera Starstorm vs. 244 HP / 108+ SpD Bronzong: 53-63 (30.6 - 36.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Still a 4HKO, 3HKO at +2
Hehehe sounds like you need a hero
A hero perhaps
palafin?
could run zama
With a shield
zama decent into pagos
thats a seperate team
ik just an option
im tryna make a clay-s team
Understand that Terapagos does not do immediate damage most of the time
using this thing is harder than i thought
And also to not worry about Teraing in front of it
I love Zama, I shall make the Zamazenta work without that bullshit ass Ting P2 shit
well its not astral barrage go brr
Keep in mind Tera-Starstorm is actually WEAKER if they Tera
positioning it well matters
untill people just yk, find ways to make u not do this
which there are a lot of
monke dont quag me mf
ran into mirror coat tatsugiri yesterday
Toughts on stellar type enamorus?
contrary enam im guessing
Enamorus is booty
just use fluttermane
It cheeks brother
tera fairy moonblast go brr
i mean, why is enamorus cheeks 
flutter exists
so?
Fairy/Flying
Overcoat
74/115/110/135/100/46
580
Enamorus
Fairy/Flying
Cute Charm, Contrary (Hidden)
74/115/70/135/80/106
580
Enamorus-Therian
he said stellar and its safe to say he meant contrary stellar tera
its inconsistent i believe
enamurus and flutter are seperate mons
Are they
ok what are they trying to do
Holy shit no way
i belive so
both mons want to be fast fairy special attackers
its similar roles that flutter does better
You're seeing them as two different Pokemon, but they have the same niche overlap unless theres something specific you need Enamorous to do
the only edge id give to enam is contrary cuz its good
Meh
but also protosynthesis is just
but only enamurus got that contrary
great ability
Scarf Enamorus Therian
monke stop burning the kitchen
hes onto something
Ghost-typing means you're never open to Fake Out, higher Speed tier + more quickly accessible ability

Enamorous Therian is your best bet mostly
But getting a legitimiate one is a pointless chore
Idk
Have you seen us go full send into that bitch expecting a tera
yea, getting 0 speed enam is kinda miserable
cant u just play pla 
Yeah but majority of you are not as good as me so
and im never doing it
oh 0 spe
lmfao
yeah getting the ivs u want in pla isnt it
ivs dont show in pla
so you have to hope you got lucky after transfering it into home
and you have to replay the game to get it and its just, it sucks
yeah, so once theyre in home theyre set, u cant go back and get another enamorus
so, Torkoal is not on Venusaur's Double Ubers Teammates list.
Meaning I'll have to rely on a different sun setter
no?
why does that prevent you from running torkoal
it just means its not highly used
I'm just using doubles ubers because there's no Doubles anything goes
Btw, what kind of caly-s teams exist, cause I’m not really feeling balanced
There's no point in referring to the Ubers tier-list as a sort of law when different formats have different considerations paticularly for a playthrough
caly indeedee tornshifu chi yu lando is something i see often
The "tiers" do not specifically reference how good they are
ah.
Anything else?
screens caly with grimm ig
like, grimm does screens
could look at limitless tours for ideas as well
caly s is the top picked thing
Oh tofu changed his blog background? Very nice. Ima quickly look there to see if he got smth I can copy 
for restricted
Also new blog post
oh, i should go read that
Its pretty short
Ooo terapagos teachings
I think where I go wrong in my caly-s teams, is my offensive options
I mean
Just run Caly-S Balance, theres already a template
Rilla/Urshi/Incin + Torn/Amoong + Shadowrex
im like 90% sure thats what he has but fari
Literally those 5 + 1 Restricted probably works for literally everything
no amoong
Yeah but for a team like that, pagos becomes troublesome , at least for me, but I think like drago mentioned I need more Fo pressure
i never said that
Did you not?
maybe you need to apply it more
Ohhh ok
I also figured out the easiest way to beat Terapagos with Shadowrex
It was something to do with it's moveset
So i'll let you figure that out
No, not Tera Blast
Focus blast go boom
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Wrong
@timber falcon for later if you want to review
Doesn't hit for SE
Assurance, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Pay Day, Payback, Phantom Force, Pound, Psycho Cut, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Zen Headbutt
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Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Disable, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Haze, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tail Whip, Taunt, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Shadow.
2-0 is not my best performance, thanks I will review this
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calm mind?
0 on a stat = 0-21 ivs
Encore?
I want to Bo3 BUT it is very late rn
could go taunt or snarl as it gets both
It’s gotta be body press caly-s
caky?
poky ill bo3 with you rq if you want
You meant calyrex

im gonna assume it has to go along the lines of taunt or calm mind
Sure, i can, username Lycopoky Slimesy
Maybe it’s smth like expanding force spam
maybe
Is this anyone in here? I played a crazy game against her yesterday. Came down to my incineroar surviving on 1 hp and now I just saw her in this YouTube video lol
You are Famous now
Not me. Maeve is famous😂
Why does Venusaur need to be Ghost Tera?
bypass fake out
that's it?
GG
that mu's is rough, gg
Gg
now you see the power of zekrom
You're either Fire Tera Covert Cloak for Fake Out, or you're Ghost Tera for Fake Out and some item. Venusaur with Chlorophyll is really weak to Fake Out.
wanna go again
If you want to, sure
I still have my doubts 
Should i switch team
no
But that match raised my opinions on zekrom tbh
so @next stump, do I Covert Cloak for Weather Ball Stab, or keep sash and do Ghost to stay safe from fakeout?
Just do Covert Cloak Tera Fire. You're thinking too hard.
k
If you're trying to pursue the "best set" it doesn't exist. There are always different considerations behind every set
There will never be a "best answer" in response to viable sets
k, then I'll fire up my Venusaur then.
yeet
gg
Entertaining games 
i wonder
Would u have? Did sacred kill?
Probably
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youre jsut sash right?
The sucker punch onto flutter
Yeah after that
judge my current set.
and I named him Greg.
yea sacred 2hkos at that range
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Kyurem-White through Aurora Veil: 91-108 (39.3 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
and fusion flare wouldn't be enough
It would have been decimated by moon blast (flutter)
what?
Oh so that was rly close
I used sucker punch onto flutter in hopes of killing it
i was saying after the sucker if it killed
Ah right

at -1 i dont outspeed
What are the odds of sucker punch killing there?
also, I doubt this factors into gameplay but I made sure that this Venusaur was a serious Big'un.
?
was flutter at half?
At 46%
size variation
you're just 252 att?
Oh ok
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane through Aurora Veil: 66-78 (42 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
it was a roll
So close
i thought my kyurem was outspeeding 205 at -1, gonna adjust that
252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane through Aurora Veil: 66-78 (42 - 49.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Coin flip, you won, i lost
mhmm
It is at 46% health
Flare blitz into gholdengo type shit
now it's time to get a Torkoal.
I would like to Bo3 one last time but it is 11:02 PM or 23:02
hmm
It is past my sleep schedule
go bed then
No need to say it
Gn
Bye, good night
gn, thanks for the games
your welcome
You’re* 🤓
🤓 cringe

i'm gonna go knock off on incin i think
snarl good but i feel like my mu into the special attackers are fine without it
Now if you don't mind i have to go sleep OT
Sleep tight 
yeet
Now, i have some Caly-s team fixing to do. But ima okay smth else
Is Greg a good name for a Venusaur, or shall I rename it to Sunny to match its role as a Sun Sweeper.
k, I got the torkoal
time to build its set
time to go to work.
So I should prolly give it the Quiet nature, right?
Yes
jus won a game b4 off double protect 
and I'm definitely gonna do Heat Rock for extended Fun in the Sun
For doubles you probably want charcoal or specs but ok
wait I thought Heat Rock for extended Sun would have been a good idea
is extended Sunny Weather not needed?
yeah since VGC battles are usually very fast
I did a bonus blogpost about Terapagos specifically
😎
That's on my morning read list @mighty stump 👌 too much alcohol tonight 😅
should I have a pokemon that knows Sunny Day in case?
@gentle badger what's your team so far
if you have a prankster Mon,then yes,but normally just switch out and in
just this Sun sweeper Venusaur and an unprepped Torkoal
I renamed the Venusaur Sunny
@gentle badger build a team on Showdown. Then you can use Pokepaste to show a full team
Think I have an example
Nope I don't lol other than just normal teams or Reg G
And I can't post images LOL Premier Ball role 😂
https://pokepast.es/16ed08036f2d6dc4
I gotchu Legion
Raging Bolt should be Fairy but you get the idea.
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/65ac0741f6974305e4cc3cde/standings
really good players in this tourney, day 2 being played tomorrow but these are day 1 results
DerBeste on Koraidon Balance. Water Tera on Wake is interesting but I like Specs Snarl
May mess around with that
It's always a reassuring feeling seeing someone who is good at the game building a very similar team as you
Water Tera Rain/Sun Specs Stab Hydro Steam. It's a lot of modifiers.
all of these Farigarif teams are basically what I've been on, just with really smart techs
agreed, plus fire/steel tera does open up some groudon weakness which can be tough
Yeah it's a strong point
and a new weakness to high horsepower caly-I
Very true. It's really similar so I'm gonna try it. Venu falls off in strength for Reg G
yeah :/ without gigantamax it's hard to justify it like you could during SW/SH restricted era
Absolutely. The fast sleep is good but fast snarl is better for the meta.
Iffy on the Flutter set but it pays to play it exactly as they have it because they did it for a reason.
Flame Charge Koraidon 
https://pokepast.es/3a9133def8267983 thoughts?
252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Flame Charge (Tera 60 BP Boost) vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss in Sun: 212-252 (96.8 - 115%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Maybe this calc?
you're OHKOing amoonguss anyway so the speed boost is nice
+1 speed he's 280 🤷
If Jolly 307
Still doesn't top out over speed boosting Flutter but it's fast
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flame Charge (60 BP) vs. 124 HP / 140 Def Flutter Mane in Sun: 150-177 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
awesome catch
damn zacian aint doing too well
yeah RIP I don't think a lot of players are hot on it rn
dyk any players that were streaming it
if only its XXXL
If only ): I tried tho
it’s close enough
It’s a 1/171,828 shiny
Or a 0.00058% chance
Oh wait
I didn’t even calculate size
Brb
I’m gonna properly calculate this
Meal power Shiny (1/683)
Meal Power Rare Mark (1/333)
Meal Power chance for XXL (1/2.56)
1/582,243.84 chance to obtain this pokemon
or a 0.00017% chance
oh yeah the wyrdeer i saw on ladder had hypnosis with blunder policy
rate bruxish shiny from 1-10
It’s aright
reminds me when i wanted a shiny iron hands for a team and it happened to have the rare mark. very cool tapu monke
Yeet
Shiny hunting is very satisfying
funni cat
that cat is a little weird
oh yeah, i planned on making a moon team. like lunala, ursaluna bloodmoon, cresselia, umbreon. but lunatone aint in the game 😭
by the looks of it, it's probably gonna be a TR team
nah, just use roar ursaluna on the imprison Pokemon 😉
wait, roaring moon could be the last Pokemon
Hybrid Tailwind TrickRoom Teams:
lunala can learn both lol
making it very Versatile
Psychic/Ghost
Shadow Shield
137/113/89/137/107/97
680
Its speed stat is perfect for it
gonna try some teambuilding around it
lunala is so cool
Gotta love beating caly shadow users
?
Nice
god just watched a team that had muk smeargle, psych up fezandipiti and co-star flamigo
I think if you're not running a choice item, you should be on life orb so you can run protect. Otherwise i'd go all out and run tera ice specs. just my 2 cents.
ok Gimmick team is kinda worse-
muk smeargle has become even more annoying with mons with psych up
great start, i played someone and they got a close combat crit on zamazenta
should've gone tera ghost
I know it won't matter since Venusaur would be the one to tera, but what would Torkoal's ideal tera be?

gna read that inna bit, wanna try it out b4 reg g officially starts
Overkill
Specs and Tera ice is overkill
source: trust me bro
This team also plays slower, so av allows it to 1, not get stuck on the field clicking a bad move and 2, I eat hits from caly chi yu flutter miraidon etc WAY better
pretty much
Which also allows me to pivot easier
wonder how pressure stall will do in reg g
And a defensive Tera lets me sit infront of dengo and Zac
Which this team otherwise hates
i think you won't like the damage though, but up to u
yea you end up losing out on 2 shots from resists
Tera Fire if you wanna spam Eruption
this would have been great if I hadn't caught the normal Tera Torkoal.
but again Venu would be the main tera user
Why do I care?
I have fire and ground coverage right there to hit my resists
NOTHING resists all 3 of those unless you’re Tera fire Bronzong
When you guys climb ladder do you pick one team and grind it out or switch it up
assuming you'll always be in a position to cover for those types isn't ideal. I'd just go for the extra damage
like shit can happen and being able to 2 shot resisted switch ins is strong

Depends on your goal really, if its for climbing usually you’d already have established a team to climb with
So generally just sticking with that
understood
And what’s the topic of discussion?
specs tera ice kyurem white, vs tera fire av kyurem white
Specs Tera Ice is trying to replicate what Articuno did but I dislike it a lot
Because you don’t get Snow Cloak access
You’re already 2HKOing things generally, Specs feels unnecessary + the flexibility in coverage is better considering how important momentum/loss is right now
is slow cloak accuracy debuff even that much?
Enough to matter
I mean why not go for a 1 shot then
if you're 2 shotting without tera ice specs, then you're one shotting with it
Because the guarantees of a lot of “OHKOs” are already stymied by resists/sash users which end up being the same either way, just one loses a defensive tera + flexibility
Then also opening yourself up to being walled by Wide Guard is just never good in this format
Specs just gains a bonus of KOing a few more things that AV won’t trading off for a few cons I don’t think are worth it
and 2 shotting resists
With coverage you’re already 2shotting resists anyways so thats a moot point
“resists”
Tofu explained it better than I would have lol
blizzards hits for 2, so being able to go for blizzard while also threatening a 2 shot has more value, over going for a singular target move
Wide Guard
Weather dependant STAB that banks on you not missing out of it
Proper target prioritisation renders that down to preference
We have Sun
You’re also retaining Ice as a weakness in this metagame
Sun isn’t good for kyurem
Ice is always a hinderace I swear
Terrible defensive typing
I don’t deny specs as an option but survivability and bulk have always been the centerpoint of every metagame throughout VGC history for a reason especially if you have sufficient offensive prowess
Gholdengo, all my moves come off of 170 base spA which is gross lol
i guess you're not on torn for those weather wars to be able to go blizzard more confidently
so i guess its better for your team
If I was running torn then sure LORB or specs
But I’m not, I find more value out of av on a slower paced team like this
I do wish kyurem has calm mind or nasty plot but it’s whatever
not everything in this game is ungabunga must go for KOs, I think that’s a mental trap
Staggering KOs can also be prudent
what spread do you guys run for alolan 9 tails btw
i run max hp max speed, but if theres something better i'd like to know
I’m not gonna be sharing many spreads rn as I want to compete soon, and would rather not have the risk of getting screwed by sending that out
Like, that I plan to use
oh are you playing a tourney?
NAIC
Just use Tyo’s spread for A9
its on his twt
oh, ok
when does reg g ladder start again?
first week of may, i forgot the exact date
does that require an invite?
@mighty stump im probably dumb but idk where that post is
no
oh ok
only worlds requires invite
Please don't ping me.
Do you still play singles at all?
?
does anyone have any recommendations for a trick room team for a beginner who has absolutely no experience competively? im trying to get started and i have no clue how to start, any help would be greatly appreciated :D
if you're looking to build for reg g then farigiraf and caly-i are solid choices
what pokemon would work well with the both of em? (if it isnt too much to ask)
you'll usually want one or two tr sweepers, so caly-i and ursaluna is good, then you'll want amoonguss and a couple of faster mons for when tr isn't an option
you could also use lunala as tr setter
Go visit @gentle delta ‘s channel
onYT
I second this
But jokes aside, if you have particular Trick Room related questions I'm always happy to help.
I even uploaded a video in February thats literally "the basics of playing trick room"
ill definetley go check it out! im just very lost on how to start so really anything helps :)
The bulk of my videos have talked about teams I've used in tournaments, made for friends to use, or teams I've made to try funky ideas. With the common thing being that they're all Trick Room teams.
I go over each of the 6 Pokemon in detail, explaining the choices behind the moves, items and teras. And then show a few games with commentary explaining my line of play.
My third most recent video, Trick Room 101, is the first in a series I started thats instead focused on the fundamentals of playing Trick Room, rather than specific teams. I'll have be having more of those coming, with one in the pipeline about how to handle weather and terrain wars.
If you want generalist teams overall, I also have a post on Reg G stuff
^ Tofu is also an excellent repository of information, and one of my videos features a collaboration between us.
thank you both! just subbed to progatog
tysm
progatog has given 1 Gen Rep to july.25
not me also subbing so i may also obtain even more vgc information

yall know any more vgc content creators that fly under the radar?
gotta obtain all the knowledge
twilightnexus is a good one, he does ladder games with all sorts of teams for a good variety
I saw someone did an EV spread for H-Arc and had 236 speed EV’s. Why is that?
can't seem to find his channel, do you happen to have a link?
myb im high as mars and its titannexus lmao
thanks lol
Covert cloak miraidon 👀👀👀👀👀
Yea first game I put it on he tried to fake out I smacked his zamazenta and he quit🤣
kek
If the target is holding an item that can be removed from it, ignoring the Sticky Hold Ability, this move's power is multiplied by 1.5. If the user has not fainted, the target loses its held item. This move cannot cause Pokemon with the Sticky Hold Ability to lose their held item or cause a Kyogre, a Groudon, a Giratina, an Arceus, a Genesect, a Silvally, a Zacian, or a Zamazenta to lose their Blue Orb, Red Orb, Griseous Orb, Plate, Drive, Memory, Rusted Sword, or Rusted Shield respectively. Items lost to this move cannot be regained with Recycle or the Harvest Ability.
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Makes contact.
Holder is not affected by the secondary effect of another Pokemon's attack.
i know it doesnt apply to knock off just checking things
can anyone help me team build?
imagine it did, that'd be crazy
for what format?
haven't played f in a while. been too focused on g. i can try and help if you'd like
yeah that’d be great
I’ve just been hoping from one team to the other and not sticking to any cause they don’t feel right
I was about to try the TornOgre team on Tofu's blog but it has 2 sashes
there’s an event in a week so I want to make one for that
idk if I want to go full tr or just go tailwind and have a mon with imprison to stop opposing tr
a week for a tournament? that's a short deadline. any teams that you've used that had some things you'd like?
give torn covert cloak if OTS or mental herb if not.
do the EVs need to be adjusted?
well let me see
give me a min
you could go full offense if you'd like. or bulky works too but i'd say test some battles and see how you feel.
if you feel like torn isn't surviving long enough, you can go with a bulkier variant
you got any teams? like those I mean?
Anyone want to talk about team building in general? Trying to build one around H-Arc and Feraligatr.
teams like what?
so I’m back
feraligatr? in this economy?
the teams I’ve been using are so different fr
one team was the excradrill, corviknight, Tera flying okidogi and tryanitar plus amoogus salamance
but doesn’t feel right fsr
oh is the tournament OTS? bo3? or bo1?
that’s the thing I’m not sure 😭
zamn, is it like an official tournament or like a community one?
🤣🤣 yeah, I know.
found the tourn. according to the organizer
The next Midseason Showdown is ready. -$20 to play, with start time NOON on Sunday April 28. -Swiss rounds will be followed by single elimination playoff rounds. Each round is Best of 3. -Store credit awarded to Top Finishers.
bo3
likely OTS
okay I’m new to comp so what does this mean?
open team sheets is where you can see the opponents pokemon, moves, items and tera. they can also see yours
in a best of 3, you need to win 2 games
oh okay I just didn’t know the abbreviation 😭
yeah I’m familiar with all those, just not slang or abbreviations
so yeah the issue with my teams is, it’s all inconsistent
Best to just grab a rental then
gotta build a team around bo3 ots ladder.
it’s probably both the team and my play but yeah
Teambuilding is a separate skill in itself
this
you can use rentals in tournaments?
yeah I frequent that choosing teams
but also be aware that some plays might be away of the teams featured here
you can?
thanks
basicrd has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
yeah that’s the thing I feel most players know the ins and outs of those teams
Doesn't matter though, that's the good thing about most Balance teams and you have time to get reps in
Which is just the Reg F metagame
You said you had a week?
yeah it’s on the 28th
have you played on pokemon showdown before?
I’ve used like wolfeys charlotte team a good amount like I made some thing similar
but I don’t like that I’m locked into one more cause of the scarf on ursh plus sometimes I just get out speed from the start and since oger and ursh aren’t that bulky, I’m down to 2 Pokémon after 1 turn
I have and I do here and there
the bo3 reg f ladder is gonna help in practice since you get the ots there as well
That sounds more like poor utilisation of the set than anything
plus you can save replays for analysis after the match to reflect what you could've done better
on showdown yeah?
yeah
no I mean like this
if I already have a rental team saved up
I can use it yeah?
or do I have to make my own?
No clue, sorry
😭
i read the rules and regulations for pokemon vgc to check and it says the team needs to be in a battle team. so no rental
but, i'm sure i can help construct the team fairly quickly. i got the resources to help.
well I do have one similar
to a point of course
yeah I think I have a team made
mind battling against me to lmk what I could do differently?
what do you mean?
don't get a reg f team ready 😭
😭
mind getting a rental?
Is it weird that rayquaza gave me the most trouble? Not caly or groudon/kyogre lmao
i got almost every pokemon game, tons of xp candy and enough money to ev train pokemon with tera shards to spend
I would really appreciate the feedback
wait how’d you do that?
I have to grind hours to ev train a few properly
i buy the vitamins. i'm a in-game millionaire
how’d you get that much money?
I sometimes send back to swsh to ev train if they're in swsh because discount vitamins
i play the game a lot.
Farm the item printer and you'll get lots of stuff to sell in no time
so do I but I’m no where close
Honestly building a team probaly takes me 15 minutes
Rng the item printer even better
must be nice 😭
wish I could do that
oh yeah, been meaning to rng the printer
That’s 2 mill right there🤣
how even 😭
rng
So many ability patches
alright then
I don’t even have one
Back in the day you could easily get max money with a turbo controller and just buy til you have 999 of every vitamin
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Now you need to hunt pokemon and abuse item printer
thank you
basicrd has given 1 Gen Rep to dovahblood
just looked on the play pokemon event locator and realized there are plenty of premier events around me. last i checked there was only for tcg 
they're reg f. gonna wait for the reg g ones since i'm practicing for the Los Angeles Regionals.
full disclosure I only got my switch like 2 months ago so yeah ( it’s a lite) 😭
oh alright
ah, new to competitive?
I’m trying to go play and learn as much as I can
I don't think there are any more regionals in Australia this year and I have trouble finding locals
I’ve played older genz but only casually
they should have more regionals worldwide imo
i think the Oceania area is much more difficult to host regionals since they don't have enough staff there so they need to bring people over there and its quite expensive
oh is that how it works
They didn't even stream the Australian regionals
in the other countries getting pokemon company staff is much easier since they're either in the area or can get there much easier
is archaludon worth running?
Just find a Rain team
yeah I have used a few archaludon rain teams
Is iron boulder good?
Meh
Valiant is pretty decent
Ahh yea I would like to use valiant but I think she needs focus sash too
I have it on bundle
Bundle/Hands/Jugulis
Volt switch from miraidon hits hard
Jugulis with tailwind might be nice. Only speed control I have is icy wind and I bring hands if they have trick room
Should I swap out Lando with jugulis?
You don't want to be too reliant on terrain as indeedee and rilla can switch it
But speed control is good
Yea I just feel like I’m missing something
That sounds fun😂
now thats some wicked rng
Amoongus still good?
You can also do it for the rare pokeballs
HOW DO YOU GET THIS
I need it
Finally being able to build teams
rng
@foggy lodge
Ohhh thx dude
Now i just need the BBPs lol
i think we've all given up on the dream world where he isnt

Someday
i thought heat crash never missed, why did i see it miss in a match i just watched?
My national dex double team how can I improve my team
Idk but nice diancie. Diamond storm is one of the most broken moves I’ve ever seen
@thorny beacon insane gameplay
@violet parcel look at this shit rek
minh did it all by himself

https://liberty-note.com/2024/03/16/sv-double-s15-17th/
this team is so goddamn nice holy fuck
i shit on it yesterday but dude
trying it out with minh, this team is fucking insane
does it translate into english when you rent it?
Look at this insanity
idk, we didnt rent it, we copasted the whole team since we wanted the marks with the mon and have the ribbon
im both impressed and coonfused
unga bunga
dude
god damn tho look at that 30/10
yawn is so fucking strong
i said that no speed control is so weird
but dude yawn is so fucking op in some scenarios
i didnt expect a flame orb ursaluna would do so well outside of trick room
yawn pressure is so good
being able to put an amoonguss to sleep is huge
yuh
it still has bulk
that is very true
i still dunno if i can comprehend it tho
id have to see it in action
the thing that surprises me also is the heat rock wins the game
like lots of people tried to stall out the last turn of sun
and then seeing no protect and theres still sun
wake there so fucking scary
i should try this team
i love wake
he hits like 4 planets
i saw a game earlier where someone had both scald and hydro steam on wake to hit hard in sun and rain
hydro steam in rain is still boosted
hydro steam in rain and sun is no difference actually
its just that in sun u dont get the boost
but like in this case, its a speed boosted wake so it doesnt really matter damage wise
If the current weather is Sunny Day and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella, this move's damage is multiplied by 1.5 instead of halved for being Water type.
Water
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Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Thaws the user if frozen.
yeah, 1.5 in rain, 1.5 in sun
with how im seeing speed boosted does this much, i dont think spA boosted wake is needed
dude i fell in love with this team
theres this one game where we played against top 32 and we just yawn cycled and bonked every single shit
we won by a landslide and they disconnected
3-1 mon
is it just me or is terapagos really good with comfey support
I mean, I came here yesterday bawling about that 
It is really good with comfey I agree
behind screens it's a menace
Fr, killing pagos isn’t easy with passive healing, screens, and an defensive ability
And non passive healing
and a spread move with zero drawbacks
Btw floral healing in grassy terrain is 2/3
Wha
Hello
Hi
Hallo
actually??
Im fishing in a pve shooter
wait i meant
actually??
yep
Mhm
synthesis heals more in sun too
What are y’all up to
The target restores 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded half up. If the terrain is Grassy Terrain, the target instead restores 2/3 of its maximum HP, rounded half down.
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Does not make contact.
Cannot be selected under Heal Block.
Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.
Also, disgusting
Just watched the Chinese gp
Gp?
Grand Prix
Ah, how was that
It was pretty good, lance stroll forgot how to drive and made it very funny
cool
idk who that is lmao
How is entei looking this reg?
Fire
Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)
115/115/85/90/75/100
580
I feel like it makes a nice AV fire core
Hello
Hello
hello
hello
How we all doing?
doing great thanks, what about u?
i'm watching some games and terapagos slays lol
It’s pretty damn good
quick question. whats a better defensive tera for shifu? steel or grass
Which shifu form?
rapid strike
I would lean towards grass for the added benefit of ignoring amoongus
Both are good choices though
Does keep your weakness to flying however
oh yeah i do like ignoring moongus for the team im making though, ill go with grass
ive got pao in the team rn, im hoping it helps
Cool
is it just me or is ghost tera incin becoming more common
just had a game against it
probs to stop faster fake outs and gain fighting immunity whilt being neutarl to its previous weaknesses
True
oh and urshifu
Rapid strike will almost always use surging strikes into incineroar
being neutral is better than se
true
what do you guys think about iron treads?
ghost tera incin has been a thing and always around since reg F
to deny FO and fighting like CC shifu and neutral to surging
this is a late ass answer but I did rent it at the start and only the names stay as what they originally are so Japanese in this case, everything else is displayed in your language so English for me.
I only changed to my own mons when I was nearing ultra ball to see if I could get into master for a chance at the ribbons
Does quick guard block feint for being priority?
If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.
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Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Copied by Mirror Move.
Does not make contact.
Thought it'd be fun to reminisce a bit. Across Reg A to now these are all the mons I've used in a real team I built
Reg A TTar Lycanroc lol
I don't think the amount of mons i've used can fit in a screen
You know what might be fun about legends za having megas
It probably doesn't have abilities
So it might be hard to tell which new ones are broken until they're in gen 10
If there's new ones
https://pokepast.es/68286f18433f22b0 thoughts?
F tier team because of Calyrex, but competitively yeah good team
Cool, I can still be a hater
lul
But in all seriousness, really good team
No girly pop or cute pokemon 0/10
Though have you considered a wide guard user for the mirrors/kyogre/groudon
i have and i dont think i need them that much, though now im looking at my gorudon MU
What do you mean, Incineroar is clearly the pinnacle of a girly pop Pokemon
Im tryna cook a team with Pawmot 
You’ve burnt the stove
Its just too cute ;-; plus maybe I could do something with a hyper aggro restricted
kill it off then bring it back with rev bless
They will just double the pawmot, no revival blessing will be used
Then you just never get to use an attack, you can’t live a hit
He's the team cheerleader he just needs to look good
Also doesn’t revival blessing only bring the Pokémon who previously fainted to half health? Isn’t that a bit of a problem
its half hp but you choose the mon
Yeah, but it’s now far more vulnerable to being knocked out
what are evs for hyper voice farig?
who says they'd have any survivablitiy anyways half hp would be the same as full hp
Haven’t used it so not sure
Unless they are focus sash then you are likely not using the restricted correctly
I mean I havent really picked who would be the restricted
I just wanna use Pawmot cause he's a lil guy
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theyd have to catch him first