its gonna flippin die
#competitive_discussion
solid frigate
craggy dagger
foggy lodge
Yes
solid frigate
+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 229-270 (110.6 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 242-286 (116.9 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I'm honestly impressed on dialga's Bulk
foggy lodge
I want them so bad wtf
solid frigate
+1 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 171-202 (82.6 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 180-214 (86.9 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
Ok i'm actually very impressed
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
Why was this thing outclassed by Lunala?
solid frigate
Why was this thing outclassed by Lunala?
Necrozma sad moment
Shadow shield is way better ability
solid frigate
Its Bulk is better?
solid frigate
thats a lot tho
foggy lodge
I hate so much when they give legendaries like 100 points in a stat they don't use
(almost every legendary before gen 8)
solid frigate
(almost every legendary before gen 8)
Every Restricted Legendary in Gen 9 kinda share the same fate
foggy lodge
Why does it appear double wtf
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
But like why, why 150 in both attacks
solid frigate
not really The bikes, but Terapagos kinda does
solid frigate
But like why, why 150 in both attacks
Idk why=
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
why the attack stat-
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
And there there is
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
And not a legendary but Hatterene has the same problem
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
And not a legendary but Hatterene has the same problem
same with Greninja but i guess the movepool kinda saved him
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
And the other Pokémon from the tweet is Zamazenta which is explicitly the brother of Zacian lol
solid frigate
And the other Pokémon from the tweet is Zamazenta which is explicitly the brothe...
yeah
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
why do they give Lando T attack when the mostly use Hydro Pump and D Pulse-
foggy lodge
Lando T?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
why Ash Greninja has Lando T Attack Stat-
foggy lodge
Why Ash greninja has more stat jump than megas lol
Ash Greninja has 110 extra base stats
solid frigate
and has Regular Kyogre's Special Attack stat
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
IT HAS MORE?
solid frigate
Ash Greninja has 110 extra base stats
yeah and Offense is higher than Lando T and Kyogre(Normal)
foggy lodge
Well at least Greninja does not learn water spout
solid frigate
Well at least Greninja does not learn water spout
if it does then-
Yep
foggy lodge
I once saw a little cups doubles tournament when the indigo disk released
Water spout Squirtle dominated wtf
solid frigate
Water spout Squirtle dominated wtf
LOL
but i think Hydro Pump Tera Water Ash Greninja feels kinda-
foggy lodge
I propose we all move on from VGC and start playing little cups VGC
solid frigate
lol
252 SpA Tera Water Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 114-136 (55 - 65.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Damn
no boosting btw
252 SpA Life Orb Tera Water Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre in Rain: 105-125 (51.2 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Wtf-
foggy lodge
So i'm in this tournament and you have to put every win and lose you've had with a ping to the people who beat you/ you beated
This guy lost every single match he had 😭
solid frigate
So i'm in this tournament and you have to put every win and lose you've had with...
ah
F
foggy lodge
252 SpA Life Orb Tera Water Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre in...
what
2HK0 a Kyogre with water?
solid frigate
2HK0 a Kyogre with water?
idk how-
solid frigate
And still it was always a singles problem so
its sad that Ash Greninja is not allowed in VGC,otherwise i'm just using it
foggy lodge
Battle bond is allowed in S/V no?
solid frigate
my favourite Pokemon is Greninja after all
solid frigate
Battle bond is allowed in S/V no?
no its banned
foggy lodge
the fuck
solid frigate
the fuck
its a special ability
from Events
WHICH SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN INDIGO DISK BUT WHATEVER
foggy lodge
my favourite Pokemon is Greninja after all
My favorite Pokémon is Gligar/Snorunt but the only decent Pokémon that is one of my favorites is Gliscor
I've thinked about playing Singles only because of Gliscor
solid frigate
I've thinked about playing Singles only because of Gliscor
Gliscor is based tho
foggy lodge
WHICH SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN INDIGO DISK BUT WHATEVER
I thought it was obtainable by ability patch
Considering like
It's not special anymore and is just an insipid boost lol
solid frigate
It's not special anymore and is just an insipid boost lol
idk why,but i have Ash's Greninja in SV
I killedd My Dragapult with Surf and gain the boost and Massacre my Opponent
foggy lodge
Loool
That type of abilities are the best
I love moxie's translation to spanish too
Autoestima
solid frigate
Autoestima
Lol-
pls Ash Greninja in Z-A or Gen 10
anyways time to make a Custom Greninja Stats for out of spite
polar canyon
Gliscor is one of the few non dragon types that has the breaking swipe and snarl combo
Just replace Snar with struggle bug
Sadly it doesn't matter because it's still weak to ice
solid frigate
Wolfey made a Tera Steel set so yeah
polar canyon
I wonder if we might get new megas that have different hp stat from base form
All megas we have were made in gen 6
And starting from gen 7 we've had forms and mechanics that can change base hp mid battle
solid frigate
yeah
solid frigate
would Greninja Use Ash Greninja Stats for its Mega if the Kalos Starters have Megas
polar canyon
We got zygarde, dynamax and terapagos
polar canyon
would Greninja Use Ash Greninja Stats for its Mega if the Kalos Starters have Me...
I think they're not getting megas just because ash greninja exists
Which is lame
solid frigate
We got zygarde, dynamax and terapagos
we can ignore Dynamax
polar canyon
Reason #1 to dislike greninja
solid frigate
Reason #1 to dislike greninja
i feel offended but its true
i want Delphox and Chesnaught to be loved as well
polar canyon
I've always found greninja overrated
solid frigate
I've always found greninja overrated
its true...
polar canyon
Like more than even charizard
solid frigate
what the can do is that make Ash Greninja As its Mega and introduce New Megas for Other 2
solid frigate
Like more than even charizard
At least in Anime,yea Greninja is Overrated in the anime
polar canyon
In general
solid frigate
Greninja is not that overrated in the games,but anime fans just glaze on Greninja-
and its no Exaggeration
polar canyon
If you play the games you must have watched the anime at least once
No one never watched pokemon
solid frigate
If you play the games you must have watched the anime at least once
I literally said XY is only my top 3,I like DP anime more than XY
solid frigate
I'm actually a sun and moon defender
Sun and Moon is obviously based
polar canyon
Really chill
solid frigate
and people said XY Team is better than SM team-
Dude 1 fake out from Incin and Close Combat on Lycanroc Murders Greninja
polar canyon
Who's using lycanroc
polar canyon
Oh yeah that
The annoying flinch stuff
It was endeavor stuff but it really always was flinch stuff
solid frigate
Its Ash's Kalos Team vs Alola Team,and People in the Anime said Pikachu is stronger than and i have to exaggerate,MELMETAL
polar canyon
Oh yeah in the anime ashs pikachu is absurdly strong
You can't really compare it to pikachu in game
solid frigate
Oh yeah in the anime ashs pikachu is absurdly strong
no i mean in games,i have a debate with someone and they uses game data on whenever Ash's Kalos Team or Alola Team is better
and they say Kalos,DUDE
polar canyon
I don't think it's accurate to use game data for anime logic
Ash won the alola league with a rowlet
solid frigate
yeah but even without Rowlet Ash's Alola Team could be Competitvely Viable
idk but Alola Team has more utility
Kalos is just sweeping
polar canyon
Idk what singles incineroar does
solid frigate
Idk what singles incineroar does
Offensive Sweeper
polar canyon
In the anime they mostly do singles
solid frigate
Kalos Team wins Singles,Alola Team wins Doubles
solid frigate
yeah i know Kalos Team is strong,but i used Doubles to count
polar canyon
Hawlucha doesn't beat melmetal
solid frigate
Tbh what on the kalos team beats melmetal
Greninja i guess with Hydro Pump?
but then again,AV Melmetal
foggy lodge
In the anime they mostly do singles
this but vgc players in anime world
Ash in vgc world
solid frigate
lol
solid frigate
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Melmetal: 220-261 (90.9 - 107.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
foggy lodge
No but if it was it would probably be broken
All new Pokémon added in Unite are broken
polar canyon
There's no type effectiveness
foggy lodge
Because power creep, and the new toy fact
polar canyon
Did ashs greninja even have hydro pump
I thought it was just water shuriken
Never seen it wearing glasses either
They kinda just never use items in the anime
Other than mega stones
foggy lodge
Z moves are not even like held items in the anime right?
solid frigate
Other than mega stones
ok then Kalos Team really has no good options to beat alola team
foggy lodge
I remember when Ash wanted to mega evolve Lucario the mega stone just appeared out of nowhere
solid frigate
Melmetal kinda walls all of them except Maybe Hawlucha
polar canyon
I don't even know if they're like actually canonically held by the pokemon in game either
polar canyon
Oshawott
solid frigate
Unevolved ash Pokémon are underrated
Bulbasaur and Squritlee my homies
foggy lodge
Bayleef too
Always the joke about Chikorita line being horrible but Ash's Bayleef was broken
solid frigate
Ash's Aipom
molten oasis
All new Pokémon added in Unite are broken
meow wasnt broken went released
polar canyon
Bayleef has such a cool design
solid frigate
Bayleef has such a cool design
agree
polar canyon
One of the best starter middle stages
foggy lodge
Always the joke about Chikorita line being horrible but Ash's Bayleef was broken
84% win rate wtf
polar canyon
Looks like its own thing rather than an in between of state 1 and 3
solid frigate
also Goodra in 100% win rate is not true
solid frigate
I'm a drizzile fan fr
Inteleon Line feels nice
polar canyon
Emo teen lazy lizard
solid frigate
Crying to Emo to Edgy
polar canyon
It throws water balloons
foggy lodge
solid frigate
Can i say i am a Grotle+Monferno+Grovyle Fan
solid frigate
the hitbox ;-;
polar canyon
Monferno and grotle are meh
polar canyon
Grovyle gets respect because of mystery dungeon
solid frigate
Monferno and grotle are meh
i mean my top 3 favourite Starters are all Overrated,Greninja,Infernape and Decidueye
polar canyon
If it wasn't for mystery dungeon grovyle is just a bigger treecko or smaller sceptile
solid frigate
i mean my top 3 favourite Starters are all Overrated,Greninja,Infernape and Deci...
Primarina is so close
polar canyon
I'm an incineroar fan
foggy lodge
Ohhh Incineroar
polar canyon
Not because of vgc
solid frigate
and also sceptile,Inteleon and Blastoise
foggy lodge
Because of smash also lol
polar canyon
I actually started liking incineroar because of smash
foggy lodge
Whe did inci got his hidden ability?
solid frigate
Same with Greninja for me,I main Greninja for so long
foggy lodge
2018 march?
polar canyon
Whe did inci got his hidden ability?
When it was released?
foggy lodge
Nono
foggy lodge
Yes it was on march
But yeah i love a lot of Pokémon because of smash
I wanted to main Pichu
solid frigate
I love Greninja because of Literally stopped Mario and Charizard fighting
solid frigate
I hate the official smash ultimate tier list so much
same
Infernape:Chilling
Greninja becoming my new Favourite Pokemon:WHATS UP
foggy lodge
The positions are not even put there correctly because of things like tools
polar canyon
Wym official tier list
foggy lodge
If Pichu players all decide to stop playing Pichu falls to E tier
polar canyon
There's no official tier list
foggy lodge
And we all know Pichu is not an E tier
foggy lodge
There's no official tier list
Sadly it exists
I hate it because many people in the community, and even friends use the tier list as an argument
polar canyon
Nintendo made it?
solid frigate
foggy lodge
The high level players
polar canyon
Doesn't that make it unofficial
foggy lodge
Why is Snake so highhhhh
solid frigate
Why is Snake so highhhhh
i'm fine with Aegis is Top 5
polar canyon
Dash attack
foggy lodge
Doesn't that make it unofficial
I mean yeah, but smash players want to treat smash as if it was their property
polar canyon
Doctor mario is too low
foggy lodge
That mentality has brought many problems to the community actually lol
solid frigate
Me when i am Greninja/Aegis/Toon Link Main
and actually thats why My VGC name exists,its based on my Smash Bros Mains
foggy lodge
solid frigate
how is Seph higher than Y Link.
polar canyon
Never heard of a smash fighter named torrent
solid frigate
h o w
solid frigate
Never heard of a smash fighter named torrent
Water Starter's Base ability?
foggy lodge
Young Link has proyectiles, good movility, is fast, has combos, only thing it lacks is like a bit of range
Sephiroth loses it's gimmick when it's winning lmao
solid frigate
Sephiroth loses it's gimmick when it's winning lmao
i do like Playing as Seph
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
polar canyon
Greninja bond and greninja ash are not the same?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
Greninja bond and greninja ash are not the same?
one is just stat boost,one is the form
solid frigate
WAIT WHY IS BOWSER C?
it feels Illegal for Heavies to be THAT FAST
polar canyon
All characters I play should be higher I just decided
Put doctor mario and jigglypuff in a
solid frigate
Greninja should be Higher- but without a Good OOS ruins how perfect its moveset feel
polar canyon
I'm one of the 7 doctor mario players
foggy lodge
it feels Illegal for Heavies to be THAT FAST
It's fast, it's the heaviest characters in the game, has safe moves, has 2 frames, out of shildd options that are dumb
And it's in C tier because uhhhhh yes
solid frigate
And it's in C tier because uhhhhh yes
yeah like i can't stress how much games i lost because of that
polar canyon
Mii gunner
solid frigate
Greninja is Fast,but very Technical on combos
polar canyon
What if samus could have fox laser
solid frigate
What if samus could have fox laser
pew pew
foggy lodge
Mario should be higher too
solid frigate
Mario should be higher too
agree
foggy lodge
Did you know that Mario was never touched since the release of ultimate?
It's the same mario vanilla as the day the game released lol
solid frigate
It's the same mario vanilla as the day the game released lol
lol
polar canyon
It would be funny if they actually did add waluigi
solid frigate
Mario and Greninja should be higher but DAMN YOSHI TOP A?
solid frigate
Oh yeah remember arms?
yeah we all forget that game exist
solid frigate
foggy lodge
20 years since the game released and someone came and made Yoshi win a tournament
So now is one of the 6 viable characters in Melee
solid frigate
Yoshi is in A tier because of Tax Frauds
polar canyon
This dude should be in smash
foggy lodge
It was Fox, Falco, Jigflypuff, Marth and Peach
polar canyon
Not min min
molten oasis
min min was worst option, fight me
foggy lodge
Naaaah, i like Min Min
solid frigate
Me who wants Aegis for Smash:
Others:WEEB ALERT
molten oasis
i said what i said
polar canyon
If even take the clown girl over min min
foggy lodge
Does smash 6 has Raging Bolt? No? Discart
solid frigate
Does smash 6 has Raging Bolt? No? Discart
imagine they did Ogerpon in Smash 6
polar canyon
Not impossible
solid frigate
the second Legendary Pokemon to be a Charaacter in Smash
foggy lodge
Or directly a Gen 10 Pokémon
foggy lodge
But is probably going to be Meowscarada
With Meowscarada we would have the whole starter trio with dark secondary type
solid frigate
With Meowscarada we would have the whole starter trio with dark secondary type
Greninja,INcnieroar:WELCOME
But i want Ogerpon due to Mask Changing Gimmick
polar canyon
We need another random silly guy like pichu and jigglypuff
I want maushold in smash
solid frigate
like Shield+Down B for Changing Mask
foggy lodge
That would sound good but i don't know how to apply it without being too much work
polar canyon
Doesn't sound too hard
solid frigate
Wellspring Mask Makes Magic Attacks deal less
Cornerstone Mask makes Physical Attacks Deal less
Teal Mask makes it Faster
Hearthflame makes it Stronger
foggy lodge
Unless they only change properties of the moves and visual effects but nothing more
solid frigate
Doesn't sound too hard
Its basically Monado Arts
polar canyon
Fire has damage, rock takes less damage, water gets launched less and normal moves faster
That sounds alright
foggy lodge
Or stay all the same and do things like cornerstone makes you a heavy and that's all
solid frigate
Fire has damage, rock takes less damage, water gets launched less and normal mov...
yeah
solid frigate
the better option is the make Ogerpon kinda like Shulk
foggy lodge
Yeah
I actually want to know about representation of gen 8 and 9 in future games
Give me a Raginf Bolt spirit and i'm happy
Raginf Bolt trophy
solid frigate
Urshifu in Smash ayo
solid frigate
All it's moves bypass shield
yeah imagine my man Sakurai did the same thing
foggy lodge
Still i don't think they would add it
solid frigate
right now what we think is that Ogerpon feels the most interesting out of the ones we pick
foggy lodge
Because they would have to choose an Urshifu, and you can kinda combine them but i think smash wants to respect things like that for the Pokémon franchisd
solid frigate
yeah
foggy lodge
I want a new smash
foggy lodge
But that would imply a new console and uhhh yeah i don't have the money
solid frigate
if they put Ogerpon in smash i might use her instead of Shulk
solid frigate
Uhhh 2020?
2022?
foggy lodge
No like 2021
solid frigate
but they still have events and stuff
foggy lodge
2019 was from Joker to Terry
2020 from Byleth to Sephiroth
And 2021 from Aegis to Sora
foggy lodge
I wanted more spirits but i know it's impossible to please me because if it was my decision i would have added the whole paldea pokedex lol
solid frigate
lol
solid frigate
Loyal three will be grouped like the beasts
gentle badger
so I should go with this set, right?
torn parrot
sonic is S? wtf
atomic mural
Watch one Sonix set and you will understand
pastel blade
That dude just runs away the whole match
atomic mural
gentle badger
so I should go with this set, right?
is this a good Venusaur Sun Sweeper set, or is it outdated?
atomic mural
That dude just runs away the whole match
That’s why sonic is good
pastel blade
is this a good Venusaur Sun Sweeper set, or is it outdated?
I think you want to run sleep powder I’m not sure though
cyan smelt
And which format
gentle badger
you can't run with Sleep Powder
gentle badger
I think you want to run sleep powder I’m not sure though
Normal gameplay
cyan smelt
Just use whatever it doesn't matter
pastel blade
you can't run with Sleep Powder
?
mighty stump
This isn't really the place to ask about casual gameplay
gentle badger
This isn't really the place to ask about casual gameplay
I meant casual pvp
mighty stump
Well on doubles sets it'd intend to run Sleep Powder/Grass STAB/Sludge Bomb/Weather Ball or Protect or Earth Power, depending.
Grass STAB being Energy Ball/Leaf Storm
Covert Cloak/Life Orb/Focus Sash/Wide Lens are the options for items.
gentle badger
what about singles?
mighty stump
Dunno, probably not much different
gentle badger
so no sunsweeper?
mighty stump
Conceptually to me in BSS playing Sun doesn't make sense.
foggy lodge
I just got to master because of a crit
gentle badger
what is Bss
foggy lodge
Lando-I my beloved
It crited a tera Fairy Volcarona with +5 special defense with sludge bomb and killed it
And Raging killed the Urshifu remaining
molten oasis
you let it get off 5 quiver dances?
foggy lodge
I was spamming snarl with Raging
molten oasis
again, you let it get off 5 quiver dances?
foggy lodge
It was at +5 special defense but with like -1 special attack and -3 speed all the time
foggy lodge
again, you let it get off 5 quiver dances?
It didn't bother me
I could keep it in the field while cleaning their partners
gentle badger
Well on doubles sets it'd intend to run Sleep Powder/Grass STAB/Sludge Bomb/Weat...
wait why Weather Ball of no sunsweeper?
gentle badger
Well on doubles sets it'd intend to run Sleep Powder/Grass STAB/Sludge Bomb/Weat...
also I added an Ability patch to my Venusaur, so it just has chlorophyll now.
pastel blade
Yea I think I found my team for reg g😂
gentle badger
So Tofu just left me in the dark with only moves and Items to work with.
dull ibex
Tofu has a life tbf
Is this for singles?
BSS is Battle Stadium Singles btw, the official singles format
gentle badger
oh.
bold geode
Tofu doesn't do singles either so
dull ibex
Was about to mention that
gentle badger
I'm playing violet, not showdown.
gentle badger
adaptive, as in both.
dull ibex
You can't do one team for both
gentle badger
I have the dlc.
bold geode
gentle badger
singl
dull ibex
Then yeah I agree with tofu, playing sun doesn't really make sense in singles, and I'm not sure there's any singles teams I could pull from to help with a sun team, sorry!
gentle badger
does it work better in doubles then?
dull ibex
It does
Two pokemon on the field helps sun's viability alot
Are you building for next season or the current?
gentle badger
k that's good, because I already slapped ability patch onto my venusaur.
dull ibex
Oh venu.
gentle badger
Are you building for next season or the current?
I jus' want to use my venu
dull ibex
Yeah idk how to build venu in the current ranked season
Maybe when tofu gets back he can help you there
gentle badger
I don't think I'd survive in a competitive scene.
gentle badger
I guess stick with this set for now, right?
dull ibex
On a doubles sun team? No
gentle badger
oh.
dull ibex
Singles and doubles are entirely different
Back in the day with swsh you'd want wide lens sleep powder venu with earth power leaf storm and protect or something
But that probably has changed from swsh which is when I played venu
dull ibex
Well that seems like a Singles set
gentle badger
where the double battles format
pastel blade
Just use smogon for singles and pikalytics.com for doubles
dull ibex
^ ty for useful advice 🙏
cyan smelt
isn't pikalytics outdated
dull ibex
Not really
torn parrot
gentle badger
yeah I'm just confused at this point.
torn parrot
yeah I'm just confused at this point.
im gonna be honest munchstats is alot better
pastel blade
Nice I never even heard of that
gentle badger
is there even a Doubles anything goes?
pastel blade
I think it’s called doubles Ubers
gentle badger
wait Torkoal disappeared from the list
was he even important??
do I rely on a different Sun Setter?
I see Koraidon at 46.556%, and I'm pretty sure it sets up Sun.
pastel blade
He’s there for me. But yea Koraidon and groudon set sun
gentle badger
I see Groudon above Koraidon at 60.562%
pastel blade
Just use whoever and try stuff out
gentle badger
no seriously, I can't seem to find torkoal on the teamates list
so I guess I'll have to clear all the gyms first before finishing with teambuilding
torn parrot
autumn vault
That is a good meme (for those unaware, Tauros was literally the 3rd/4th best pokemon in gen 1 and snorlax was also very good and gengar outspeeds both and lands a hypnosis, and one misses)
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
charred saddle
https://liberty-note.com/2024/03/16/sv-double-s15-17th/
had a play against this team earlier
cyan smelt
Reg f I guess, looks challenging
charred saddle
btw anyone here can read the japanese movesets? 
since i was quite intrigued by the team
mighty stump
Just rent the team and read the translated moves lol
cyan smelt
Too bad translate is inaccurate
mighty stump
? in-game it translates to whatever your native game language is set to
cyan smelt
No I meant google translate, I translated the webpage to see if it gave me the moves in english
mighty stump
Oh you just have to figure that out via context clues, that's what I usually do
cyan smelt
I know that mamoru is protect
mighty stump
Easiest way is to mouseover the sentence, figure out the set of characters describing the move, and then just copypoaste the text into google
and usually it gives you the move name
cyan smelt
Flutter has Moonblast, d gleam, shadow ball and protect
charred saddle
Just rent the team and read the translated moves lol
im not at home bro 
mighty stump
im not at home bro <:kekhands:1179615323146702938>
Eh di Kokas ada Pokemon Playlab
charred saddle
huh then the fuck is that bear doing there
cyan smelt
I think wake has hydro steam, tera blast, dragon pulse and protect
charred saddle
Eh di Kokas ada Pokemon Playlab
apaan tu
mighty stump
Mall
mighty stump
babi lu google sendiri
charred saddle
KWOAKWKWKW
cyan smelt
Entei has snarl, E speed, stomping tantrum and sacred fire
charred saddle
huh the 3 u said had normal spread and moves then
cyan smelt
I think torkoal has helping hand, yawn and protect and not sure about the fourth
Zapdos has weather ball, t bolt, helping hand and detect
And the bear has facade, headlong rush, yawn and protect
charred saddle
I think torkoal has helping hand, yawn and protect and not sure about the fourth
heatwave
they heatwaved me once in sun and did literally no dmg since it has the heatrock thing
huh zapdos doesnt even have tw
so they basically dont have speed control thats huh
so basically yawn to cycle and gain turn advantage?
but like thats just basically one mon hitting each turn and like open to the other
the hell
mighty stump
Initial Bo3 testing going well, we're beating higher elo teams already, 15-3 in sets
charred saddle
bang, emg pke yawn buat cycle advantage sama sbg alt speedcontrol bgs y?
cyan smelt
Helping hand boosted facade sounds very scary
charred saddle
bknny itu jd open ke slot lainnya?
ie. yawn to slot A, slot B bsa move tp
mighty stump
bang, emg pke yawn buat cycle advantage sama sbg alt speedcontrol bgs y?
Ha
Maksudnya
charred saddle
lg baca translate google di note
mighty stump
Yawn is just to exert board control and prevent momentum.
charred saddle
https://liberty-note.com/2024/03/16/sv-double-s15-17th/
had a play against this...
so basically this team doesnt have Tr no TW
they have 2 yawn user, ursaluna sama tork
mighty stump
And reduces resources per turn
cyan smelt
No icy wind either
charred saddle
is it worth as a thing tho? since the ursaluna is now out of place no?
mighty stump
Probably cause they're speed boosting + bulky with Proto
mighty stump
Then it's fastest Mane
So it's whatever
Yawn teams just play to make sure you only have one active slot at a time
If you're constantly switching you're not doing damage
If you don't have momentum you get damaged down quickly
- you either get punished on the switch or punished for staying in via sleep
charred saddle
hm
mighty stump
I like Yawn control
charred saddle
i mean like if its snorlax i can kinda understand? torkoal too ig like and in sun teams too
but ursaluna tho hm
feels off
mighty stump
I mean
You click Yawn on your first turn out when usually you have 0 pressure and start punishing switches with Facade/HLR
charred saddle
but its different for torkoal as ursaluna is very weak to like shifus
torkoal doesnt get pressured by them
unless its like tornshifu rain manual
i mean it can tera but like t1 tera doesnt feel good
cyan smelt
I wish I could teambuild like these guys
charred saddle
idk, i can see the team idea and iveplayed it
mighty stump
Why not? Nothing wrong with T1 Tera. Plus Ursaluna can live CC
mighty stump
I wish I could teambuild like these guys
Just gotta view things with a very open mind
mighty stump
oh really?
Lol it can live SE Surging Strikes without needing to Tera
cyan smelt
In sun that's greatly weakened
cyan smelt
Interesting
mighty stump
252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 140 HP / 204 Def Ursaluna on a critical hit: 186-222 (83.4 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
charred saddle
its a roll hmm interesting
mighty stump
You really don't need that much attack on Ursaluna lol
I can live Hydro Pump from Iron Bundle if I want to as well
charred saddle
nvm it had 252 hp 116 def
mighty stump
HP is even optimised
mighty stump
Teambuilding like the Japanese means a lot of finding out information and application of said information in relevant situations
Crafting said relevant situations then applying them to teambuilding
Allowing use of scenarios others won't really consider to gain those micro-edges over opponents
It's why also having a full understanding of your shit is important
charred saddle
ill prob just try the team later on
its still interesting despite of the weirdness
or actually its that i never had a play with yawn stuff
mighty stump
I'm very proud to say that I believe I can teambuild like Japanese players
charred saddle
i did with gastro but like not as a main play
charred saddle
I'm very proud to say that I believe I can teambuild like Japanese players
ur asian, we same /j
mighty stump
anj
mighty stump
bgst l
cyan smelt
I saw someone using wyrdeer on ladder
mighty stump
That's pretty wyrd
cyan smelt
I guess immunity to astral barrage is nice
timber falcon
I saw someone using wyrdeer on ladder
what moves did it have
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
mighty stump
Excuse me
cyan smelt
I don't think I saw the other moves
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9uu-2107633745-idh0upp2wp7y4y5gb5o50bpzehrgmn5pw First UU match in a long time
radiant siren
Master Ball finally
Games become challenging towards the end
Now time to rank up
drifting notch
guys, how easy/hard is it for a total competitive noob to get into competitive?
To also note, i dont like chasing meta and i love using "weaker"/"unusual" mons
timber falcon
I wouldn’t know how hard it is cause that differentiates for different people, but this can help Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
timber falcon
*To also note, i dont like chasing meta and i love using "weaker"/"unusual" mons...
You’ll have to grow out of this eventually btw, if you plan on getting better efficiently. We all have this stage
Meta provides different experiences with mons, so it’s a good place to start, you’ll also learn how to counter it whilst using it
drifting notch
i see
solid frigate
unless your favourites are meta mons
But still yeah OTOT has a point
drifting notch
well theoretically my favorites are mismagius and milotic
i also rly like lopunny even tho sadly it doesnt have its mega anymore
solid frigate
Lopunny is not even in this game-
drifting notch
no yea it doesnt matter im just mentioning some of my favorites
solid frigate
Milotic is ok... if its Reg E
drifting notch
reg e?
solid frigate
Reg is Base Game+Home+Teal Mask Dex
drifting notch
oh
solid frigate
but yeah you need to grow out that phase
timber falcon
Milotic is ok... if its Reg E
It can still work as a water core actually
solid frigate
It can still work as a water core actually
Yeah as a Niche,also RIP Scald
solid frigate
IT LOST SCALD?
No most Water Types
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
Milotic still has it
timber falcon
Oh ok good
solid frigate
I just saying cuz Most Water Types lost it
timber falcon
But why
solid frigate
which is just stupid-
cyan smelt
Does suicune still get it
timber falcon
Mhm
solid frigate
only Special Water Types use it,Physical ones does not even touch it
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
Politoed and Ludicolo without scald feels sad
cyan smelt
People use ludicolo?
solid frigate
as a swift swim pokemon
cyan smelt
Isn't ogerpon just better
solid frigate
yeah ik Ludicolo used to be good and also we talking about swift swim-
cyan smelt
Ludicolo was ok in gen 8
solid frigate
yeah steep matchup,Power creep and losing Scald as a Reliable Water STAB
radiant siren
guys, how easy/hard is it for a total competitive noob to get into competitive?
Pretty easy I climbed to Master Ball 1st time using a very funny team
It's easier then it looks if you know the type chart
solid frigate
Pretty easy I climbed to Master Ball 1st time using a very funny team
not all of the people learn fast like you do-
radiant siren
not all of the people learn fast like you do-
I learned nothing tbh
I just play the board
solid frigate
what is your team
radiant siren
Amoonguss Incineroar Landorus Flutter Mane Raging Bolt Urshifu
solid frigate
thats not a funny team
radiant siren
Yes it is
solid frigate
thats a Actual Viable team
radiant siren
Funny doesn't mean unviable lol
solid frigate
do you have paste?
willow vault
Amoonguss Incineroar Landorus Flutter Mane Raging Bolt Urshifu
What makes the team funny?
radiant siren
What makes the team funny?
Playing double battles with synergies is funny
solid frigate
What makes the team funny?
I don't see anything funny on it,all of them are good and well
solid frigate
Playing double battles with synergies is funny
Thats like... every team high level made
willow vault
I don't see anything funny on it,all of them are good and well
I am really not enjoying reg g at all, I’ve been getting cooked, mainly due to a skill issue, wooooooooo
radiant siren
That's your opinion 🙂
solid frigate
I am really not enjoying reg g at all, I’ve been getting cooked, mainly due to a...
F
cyan smelt
Yeah I've been getting skill issued hard in reg g too
radiant siren
Game is not simple in Doubles
willow vault
Indeed got stalled out by snarl Incineroar
radiant siren
Lot of possibilities every turn, very interesting puzzle
radiant siren
Just like nuzlocking
willow vault
I’m currently 0-7 against flutter with multiple teams it’s pretty damn awful rn
solid frigate
I’m currently 0-7 against flutter with multiple teams it’s pretty damn awful rn
your team?
cyan smelt
Have you tried adding a gholdengo
radiant siren
Building the team I got was funny
solid frigate
I’m playing really bad
metal coat Nasty Plot set?
willow vault
metal coat Nasty Plot set?
Yep
radiant siren
First few games you learn the matchups but confidence builds up on itself imo
cyan smelt
Have you tried ting lu with heavy slam
willow vault
I can get rid of the flutter but I take crucial damage that costs me when facing the restricteds
willow vault
Have you tried ting lu with heavy slam
Not yet
solid frigate
I can get rid of the flutter but I take crucial damage that costs me when facing...
can you show your team?
willow vault
I can try, bad internet
solid frigate
i'm usually fight Flutter well,its Chien Pao give me troubles
cyan smelt
Everything seems to give me trouble
willow vault
Everything seems to give me trouble
Oh no same just flutter is the most notable win loss record
radiant siren
Everything seems to give me trouble
build a good team from the ground up, it's what ima do for the next regulation with box Mons
cyan smelt
I can't think properly ATM and I'm not good at teambuilding
mighty stump
Lol
radiant siren
we mostly copy others with slight tweaks h ha
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/a0263b33ceaa4216
Support Flutter ah
willow vault
Support Flutter ah
Yeah wanted speed control
mighty stump
It appears I'm witnessing a series of interesting opinions
solid frigate
Yeah wanted speed control
Use Goggles Incin for Amoonguss Shenanigins
willow vault
K
willow vault
It appears I'm witnessing a series of interesting opinions
Hey Tofu, how does one overcome a skill issue
willow vault
Yeah, good point
mighty stump
Hey Tofu, how does one overcome a skill issue
Proactive mindfulness
As with anything in life
willow vault
Will keep that in mind
mighty stump
If you're not focusing and actually applying the time to think about what you're doing and taking in the information what's the point
solid frigate
Yeah, good point
i think yeah your mons are fine
radiant siren
proactive mindfulness lmao
mighty stump
It's like going to the gym
You can get by with shit technique but get more through proper technique
willow vault
If you're not focusing and actually applying the time to think about what you're...
Ok, so slow down, think more and be aware I won’t win every game so don’t take it so personally
willow vault
i think yeah your mons are fine
That’s good
mighty stump
Ok, so slow down, think more and be aware I won’t win every game so don’t take i...
Just be able to explain what you're doing, why you're doing it
Even if it's flawed, figure out why it's flawed
Ask for second opinions
willow vault
Will do
mighty stump
Like any learning in general
willow vault
Cool, I’ve got like 20-30 replays I can rewatch, to learn off of
mighty stump
Doesn't even have to take up that much time
2-3 games that you actively review and learn from are more useful than 20-30 games spammed on ladder clicking buttons
radiant siren
half of that sounds like new age bs ngl
mighty stump
It's like how people always go like "look i got to masterball good enough for me"
willow vault
2-3 games that you actively review and learn from are more useful than 20-30 gam...
Ok, will do that, thanks tofu
gentle cragBOT
Ok, will do that, thanks tofu
crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
mighty stump
Satisfaction with mediocrity is always sad to witness
solid frigate
Tofu, Rain Dance or Icy Wind on Tornadus in Dialga Team i showed before
drifting notch
can someone suggest me a way i can use mismagius?
mighty stump
Tofu, Rain Dance or Icy Wind on Tornadus in Dialga Team i showed before
Depends on what you need
solid frigate
can someone suggest me a way i can use mismagius?
just don't-
radiant siren
can someone suggest me a way i can use mismagius?
use it for PvE
solid frigate
Depends on what you need
i think Rain Dance,Cuz i don't want Koraidon suddenly just flare blitz or boosted CC
mighty stump
can someone suggest me a way i can use mismagius?
Probably just use it as a weaker Flutter Mane, that's about it really
radiant siren
not seen it once so far
willow vault
not seen it once so far
What koraidon?
radiant siren
on paper it's just worse
solid frigate
i think Rain Dance,Cuz i don't want Koraidon suddenly just flare blitz or booste...
also Ogerpon Gets the Boost
cuz i use wellspring
so now its Dialga Origin,Regular Ursaluna,Tornadus,Farigiraf,Ogerpon Water and Flutter Mane
cyan smelt
What are you gonna do about kyogre and urshifu
mighty stump
What are you gonna do about kyogre and urshifu
Waterpon
cyan smelt
Isn't kyogre usually run with torn and arch
solid frigate
Isn't kyogre usually run with torn and arch
252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dialga-Origin in Rain: 91-108 (43.9 - 52.1%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO
cyan smelt
What about Groudon
solid frigate
What about Groudon
i actually beat a Groudon team
cyan smelt
Nice
solid frigate
and its a pain but lemme get the replay
its a pain in the ass until the crit
172+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Dialga-Origin: 204-242 (98.5 - 116.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
that was close af
Bruh
thanks Mods
cyan smelt
Tera steel Groudon is weird
solid frigate
Tera steel Groudon is weird
it does not matter cuz Tera Fire would still be killed with a Crit
with EP
cyan smelt
They made a mistake teraing the Groudon then
timber falcon
Nice win
autumn vault
I might try some of this smogon singles, never done OU b4
It isn't OU, it is UU, also that team is very weak to Keldeo, i have an upgraded one
https://pokepast.es/2fad2898f7ae5d89 the updated team
upbeat quail
What’s the best team I can make with a Rayquaza/Chien Pao core?
solid frigate
cyan smelt
nice work
gentle badger
guess it's time to configure my venusaur set
gentle badger
guess it's time to configure my venusaur set
I'm doing a sun sweeper set (doubles)
charred saddle
prob like calc a speed tier u want to hit, in sun and not
autumn vault
guess it's time to configure my venusaur set
Where did you get this?
charred saddle
and then calc the spA bump or ohko u need then put on bulk
or do bulk calc then spA dump
gentle badger
Where did you get this?
munchstats
autumn vault
ok
gentle badger
and then calc the spA bump or ohko u need then put on bulk
or do bulk calc then...
so this then?
charred saddle
i mean uhhhhh
max max is just for like if u dont wanna really calc anything and be simple
if u really wanna have a min max margin u prob need to like calc it
i think one of the better spread of venusaur is one of the teams in rental teams here
nvm it was also max max 
for some reason i remembered it has bulk
mighty stump
@charred saddle Are you good at math
knotty mirage
I have question can 252 attack mystic water under rain surging strike ohko sitrus berry fairigiraf ?
mighty stump
Nevermind
charred saddle
I have question can 252 attack mystic water under rain surging strike ohko sitru...
max max fari? no
gentle badger
oh hi tofu
charred saddle
ill just calc in nerd a bit
knotty mirage
max max fari? no
I guess so even tho EV spread on ranked is really varied
charred saddle
252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf in Rain on a critical hit: 174-207 (76.6 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
this is even no sitrus
knotty mirage
I just want a way to consistently kill fari before it use trick room
charred saddle
just double it up
knotty mirage
I face too much of it start to get annoying
charred saddle
but un general fari is bulky as hell ye
knotty mirage
Ussualy they open with flutter as partner so attack with both mon ussualy doesn't end up well
charred saddle
well then they are slower in tr then
knotty mirage
If i kill flutter trick room goes up they got free switch in on blood moon
charred saddle
i mean if u do like KO far after then you can still pressure them in prio
well if not one of the better one is knockoff
incin knockoff to sitrus
no strius and like does half
if its AV dont think BM KOs incin
252+ SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 236 HP / 124+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 133-159 (66.5 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
solid frigate
charred saddle
so like u can parting shot into it and lower the spA and stall out tr
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2107712669-ljnlj6f5wlthxyumk6...
close battle
knotty mirage
if its AV dont think BM KOs incin
252+ SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Po...
Actually my rilla have the AV
knotty mirage
I mean my incin do have grass terra
charred saddle
if u do, once like u KOd fari u can stall the turns efficiently
knotty mirage
u have both incin and rilla?
Yeah
charred saddle
its like, KO fari, if flutter ko urshifu
then incin in, fo to BM
protect the other slot, parting shot
prting shot tera or just swap to av rilla
then FO another turn and attack
next stump
if you want to ruin farigarif, just use imprison or something like Flutter/Chi-Yu
next stump
Urshifu doesn’t work because they’ll just fake you out
charred saddle
makes sense, personally wouldnt try leading urshifu torn to fari bm teams, id prob like have urshifu at the back for sweep after stalling out TR
oh and amoonguss is annoying to fari BM
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
charred saddle
if its not goggles amoonguss is annoying as hell, spore, and being slower than bm luna
gentle badger
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder - Energy Ball - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball```
So this should be a good sunsweep venusaur set then, right?Just looking at it's bulk
next stump
```Venusaur @ Wide Lens
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Mode...
are you playing singles or doubles
gentle badger
doubles
next stump
focus sash or life orb is going to give you more value than wide lens, and you also want protect
or at a bare minimum tera ghost
also leaf storm > energy ball
gentle badger
so I can't trust any pokemon teambuilding website?!?!
charred saddle
its not that u cant trust pokemon teambuilding sites, pikalytics and munchstats are just bunch of stats.
like some of the sets could be tailored to be played with a certain MU or partner id say
autumn vault
Leaf storm lowers damage output and Venusaur gets STAB sludge bomb and tera fairy will se good usage in the format
In a meta where it's STABs arent super useful then yes i would say leaf storm is better
gentle badger
I just want to use Venusaur in my team.
charred saddle
but ye just listen to dillon id say, better advice
gentle badger
okay now I'm confused I don't know who to trust anymore
next stump
i can’t run the calc RN but no way energy ball is OHKOing groudon and kyogre
whereas leaf storm should
I don’t think Venu has the bulk and the staying power to justify running a 50 less BP move
especially when sleep powder is an option when you’re -2
cyan smelt
Lorb leaf storm would do a lot surely
autumn vault
252 SpA Venusaur Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Groudon: 140-168 (67.6 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Venusaur Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Groudon: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Groudon: 182-218 (87.9 - 105.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 182-218 (104 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
mighty stump
It's also just a matter of being turn efficient
gentle badger
wouldn't Solar Beam be efficient in general?
charred saddle
talking about groudon, was about thinking grass knot for it
mighty stump
Riskier into weather change, loss of STAB outside of Sun
charred saddle
gen 8 had some grassknot for groudon
autumn vault
I use Walking Wake in my Koraidon team which is a good Groudon counter
mighty stump
You just lose damage into lighter opponents
autumn vault
And for Kyogre, it is a Koraidon team
charred saddle
i mean yeah
autumn vault
Yeah i have Venusaur
gentle badger
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
autumn vault
And tailwind to combat it easily, even if it isn't that much against tornogre leads
gentle badger
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder - Leaf Storm - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball
Tera: Ghost```
this better????I think the 4 SpD should go into defense
gentle badger
```Venusaur @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Mod...
why do I need this focus sash, Dilon said tera ghost bare minimum
Wide lens boosts accuracy, and since I'm working with Sleep Powder and Leaf Storm I think Wide Lens would be a good option
autumn vault
gentle badger
```Venusaur @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Mod...
I'm not doing this on showdown, I'm doing it on Violet.
upbeat quail
Aight can someone please link me a list of really strong Reg G teams? I’ve been playing a Groudon team and doing okay
But I need more options
sharp cobalt
Wide lens boosts accuracy, and since I'm working with Sleep Powder and Leaf Stor...
With Focus Sash, you're guaranteed to live one hit, whereas wide lens is only good for situational moves
mighty stump
Aight can someone please link me a list of really strong Reg G teams? I’ve been ...
Probably non-existent as a full list goes, barring maybe VGCData or my blogpost
Twitter has teams but it's spread out
sharp cobalt
Tofu did you retire?
mighty stump
Semi.
Not much has changed other than a lack of responsibility
But I get to relax more mentally
charred saddle
no one likes firm tofu we like soft tofu 
sharp cobalt
Tbh I like crispy tofu
bold geode
I like baked tofu
autumn vault
Hey
shadow wind
Aight can someone please link me a list of really strong Reg G teams? I’ve been ...
What’s the Groudon team look like?
autumn vault
Ngl i like frog tofu (if anyone remembers that) but snorlax tofu is just as good
mighty stump
That was Christmas Phroggy
autumn vault
I see
dull ibex
Hello
charred saddle
https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable9.5 New post
pog
ill be reading it after shower
dull ibex
Sup
gentle badger
With Focus Sash, you're guaranteed to live one hit, whereas wide lens is only go...
but it becomes useless if it's not ohko.
bold geode
https://x.com/chefvgc/status/1781710112748454314?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
Now I will lol
gentle badger
```Venusaur @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Mod...
I still feel like putting Sunny Weather to use other than just clorophyll.
gentle badger
whereas leaf storm should
wouldn't Leaf Storm reduce Special Attack?
upbeat quail
Man I got alll the way up to 1550 on showdown and now I dropped down to 1380 in the span of this morning
The RNG has not been on my side
I wish I saved a couple of these replays lol. This one dude full para’d me every turn and then another game I got crit 50% of the time
I know 1550 isn’t very high, but I don’t play showdown very often
gentle badger
wouldn't Leaf Storm reduce Special Attack?
@next stump srry for the ping but is there an alternative I can use to not reduce SP attack?
timber falcon
No
Unless using a non with contrary it will always lower
However, crits ignore the lowered spatck, do you could use dragon cheer/focus energy
gentle badger
I'm using Venusaur
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder - Leaf Storm - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball
Tera: Ghost```The you CAN use dragon cheer to ignore the boosts, but it won’t always be a crit and it’s not with it
In other words, you just can’t deal with it effectively
and just take the drop in stats, swapping out fixes that
rustic mountain
https://x.com/chefvgc/status/1781710112748454314?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
taking advantage of the vast mechanic interactions of the game, gta love it i wouldnt call that bluff
gentle badger
In other words, you just can’t deal with it effectively
I was asking for an alternative to Leaf Storm.
autumn vault
also leaf storm > energy ball
Look at this
molten oasis
tera dark eleki
autumn vault
He says Energy Ball, the alternative to leaf storm
molten oasis
i just lost to that
timber falcon
Look at this
Its an alternative though 🤷♂️
molten oasis
it also had tcage
modern pebble
Hi! I need some help
I’m running a physical iron valiant and I was debating if Spirit break is worth running, I was thinking maybe Liquidation instead?? Could cover a lot of fire types this is for singles btw
autumn vault
i just lost to that
What the actual fuck?
autumn vault
Hi! I need some help
I’m running a physical iron valiant and I was debating if S...
Spirit Break is STAB, no competition
modern pebble
Spirit Break is STAB, no competition
Ok ok, I mean I know but idk, wish it got play rough instead
autumn vault
Ok ok, I mean I know but idk, wish it got play rough instead
True, but Spirit Break is always better than Liquidation on Valiant, also why does it get Liquidation?
modern pebble
Idk lmao
autumn vault
eh, it gets skill swap and it can't swap it's ability
So it makes more sense than skill swap
modern pebble
Okay, well thank you for the help
It’s for mono fairy and I find fire type to be a hassle sometimes, I have Azumarill but thought liquidation would be a nice back up just in case
molten oasis
i keep forgetting helping hand doesnt work on dengo
autumn vault
Then remember it
rustic mountain
got to top 500 on my other alt, 72% gxe 38-13 kinda fell off a bit yday losing a bunch 
solid frigate
i keep forgetting helping hand doesnt work on dengo
People tend to forgot about it
rustic mountain
i remember tofu had a cool team iirc he got to #1 on cart w/ dengo and mold breaker tinkaton w/ hh
rustic mountain
?
charred saddle
moldbreaker Hh to ignore the good for gold
rustic mountain
yea
solid frigate
that is pretty situational but you are right
molten oasis
lost to blizzard double missing and a wood hammer crit
rustic mountain
yea its very niche haha just a dope application of it in a prior format
molten oasis
rng sucks
autumn vault
i remember tofu had a cool team iirc he got to #1 on cart w/ dengo and mold brea...
That is Genius
autumn vault
rng sucks
(bad solution) then get good rng (impossible)
Man i remember when i got shit rng all the time
rustic mountain
me wen heat wave and bleakwind miss 🫡
autumn vault
me wen heat wave and bleakwind miss 🫡
Dont forget Rock Slide
solid frigate
Me when Draco Miss
rustic mountain
well yea haha im not running that atm tho
autumn vault
Mine is charged 24/7
Never bring it with me, when i do i just use it and if it gets low, charge it
Looks like i don't have to worry about sun teams
molten oasis
it sucks mostly cuz i won if it at least hit giratina
pastel blade
Who’s better choice specs or calm mind miraidon🤔
autumn vault
Who’s better choice specs or calm mind miraidon🤔
Specs imo
Calm mind gets the same buff as specs but needs 1 turn to get, it doesn't lock you into a move however
molten oasis
cannot believe my opponent
pastel blade
Tera fairy d gleam is nice too
molten oasis
he clicked cc into incin i switched in kyurem when surging strieks was completely free
gentle badger
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sleep Powder - Energy Bomb - Sludge Bomb - Weather Ball
Tera: Ghost```
k, I should be done with Venuplanning.i think
autumn vault
he clicked cc into incin *i switched in kyurem* when surging strieks was complet...
That is definetely either a read or a misclick
vital bay
Hello
autumn vault
hello
rustic mountain
autumn vault
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Man i really love my Zekrom team
Tomorrow i will shiny hunt it and use like all of my free time
rustic mountain
das?
autumn vault
wdym by das?
timber falcon
Completely unrelated and random but I’ve finally beat Minecraft for the 1st time
rustic mountain
wdym by das?
dynamax adventures
autumn vault
dynamax adventures
Yes
autumn vault
Wait you can?
timber falcon
I did 
autumn vault
Thanks, i have the path saved, i will admit it's bolt strikes are very annoying but if i get a way to reverse the turn order against it or lower it's damage output it is very easy
timber falcon
Well it’s beating the dragon, cause u get the end credits
autumn vault
I know how you beat it
rustic mountain
word hope u get a good path soon 🫡
strange fjord
Well it’s beating the dragon, cause u get the end credits
when can we expect you to reach top 10 in minecraft speedruns? like in a week or so?
autumn vault
Well it’s beating the dragon, cause u get the end credits
And after that a portal with bedrock appears and after crossing that (and walking thousands of blocks) you can get the elytra
strange fjord
top 5* mb
timber falcon
when can we expect you to reach top 10 in minecraft speedruns? like in a week or...
I only had to get full netherite b4 going there
autumn vault
The Elytra is a cape that flies, and also looks cool
stray badger
This seems relevant to this channel
timber falcon
Is that the trans flag? Sorry for my ignorance
autumn vault
Is that the trans flag? Sorry for my ignorance
It is a rainbow
Not blue pink and white
molten oasis
i think i have had enough of ladder today
stray badger
Is that the trans flag? Sorry for my ignorance
Its color picked from the pokemon, but yeah
timber falcon
It is a rainbow
The gaslighting 
timber falcon
Ouch
autumn vault
dragon cheer quick guard sceptile
Sir, why are you encountering the most random BS society has ever seen?
molten oasis
idk
timber falcon
Woah
autumn vault
What elo are you on? Because it plays a role in it
molten oasis
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