competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

Why flash canon on pagos

[polar canyon]

Looks like you copied the team a lot

[solid frigate]

WAIT TURTLE MENTIONED?

[fluid fiber]

Tera fairy is everywhere and earth power isn't dealing significant damage to much

[solid frigate]

earth power is valueable

[polar canyon]

Fun fact

[timber falcon]

Just use ur signature move then

[polar canyon]

Stellar tera hyper voice hits harder than stellar tera starstorm

It doesn't have hyper voice but it would hit harder

[solid frigate]

damn if only Terapagos have 2 signature moves

[timber falcon]

Also 2 fairy weaknesses with 0 resists isn’t the best when flutter is still at large, and caly-s draining kiss

[fluid fiber]

Wacky damage is tera normal boomburst on Toxtrucity lmao

[fluid fiber]

Yeah that's been an issue

[timber falcon]

Maybe switch up members

[fluid fiber]

But who?

[timber falcon]

Sabelye looks droppable

[torn parrot]

I don’t think mienshao is nessisarily needed

[timber falcon]

Pagos doesn’t NEED screens per say

[solid frigate]

i used it and i love it

[timber falcon]

Yeah, cause it doesn’t fear caly-s

[solid frigate]

yep.

i used Alolan Ninetales

[fluid fiber]

I feel Sableye needs a set tweak but I think its worth keeping

[solid frigate]

or Grimmsnarl

[torn parrot]

It’s almost mostly that there’s 3 fake out users

[timber falcon]

Ok then well drop meinshao, anything you wanna particularly add?

Cause Comfee looks fine there

[torn parrot]

Iv seen sableye terapagos work really well in higher ladder

[fluid fiber]

No I'm up to suggestions, I just think Sableye or grimm adds good support

[autumn vault]

Atleast i dont intend to troll, atleast this week

[timber falcon]

It won a tournament

[torn parrot]

Interesting

[fluid fiber]

Mienshao wide guard helps but yeah three fake out is a lot and i need more versatility

[timber falcon]

I still need to know what has happened do you mean report as in discord report?

[timber falcon]

Helps against what specifically

[fluid fiber]

Caly and Groudon

[timber falcon]

Caly isn’t problem cause u have foul play

[fluid fiber]

And other pagos

[solid frigate]

Terapagos had these MU lacking

Koraidon,Zamazenta,Miraidon,Zacian,Caly Ice

[timber falcon]

Hmm other pagos

[solid frigate]

And both Kyurem

[timber falcon]

Why don’t u try bronzong

[fluid fiber]

Also incin kinda hurts

[torn parrot]

Koraidon is defintely one that Iv felt in testing turtle

[fluid fiber]

Only Ogerpon is a threat to it

[timber falcon]

It will always hurt

[solid frigate]

and Zamazenta as well

[timber falcon]

Oger should be enough to threaten at the least, if u can force a Tera even better

[fluid fiber]

Why bronzong?

[torn parrot]

Oh yeah for sure zamazenta can pin down Terapagos into a corner really well

[solid frigate]

Lugia is more subjective but others are eh

[fluid fiber]

Does Pagos get moonblast?

[torn parrot]

Miraidon is considered strong against turtle?

[solid frigate]

nope,WHICH I WANT IT TO LEARN.

WHY DOES HE NOT LEARN MOONBLAST

[torn parrot]

Seems like Miraidon would get its cheeks clapped by turtle

[solid frigate]

depends

either Wide guard Iron Valiant walls it but eh

[fluid fiber]

Why bronzing over Mienshao tho?

[fluid fiber]

What Sableye set?

[solid frigate]

also Players facing Terapagos does not really tera much unless they have a plan

[fluid fiber]

I've also found I'm relying on fake out to win a little too hard

[solid frigate]

you have 3 fake out users-

[torn parrot]

Iv seen a few different combinations

Encore screens is what u got
Some people prefer will o wisp
Or whatever else
sableye defintely thrives in cts

It has a lot of moves

So whatever your comfey with

[dapper crag]

Sableye's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Astonish, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dynamic Punch, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Feint Attack, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Payback, Phantom Force, Poison Jab, Poltergeist, Power-Up Punch, Punishment, Retaliate, Return, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scratch, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Night Shade, Octazooka, Ominous Wind, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Attract, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Captivate, Confide, Confuse Ray, Detect, Disable, Double Team, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Flash, Flatter, Foresight, Gravity, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Leer, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Mean Look, Metronome, Mimic, Moonlight, Nasty Plot, Nightmare, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Quash, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Trick, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Sableye.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fluid fiber]

Tbf that was an edit after recommendations here

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[fluid fiber]

But how should I swap members around? I wanna try to participate in tournaments this season

I'm eager to learn more througholy

[solid frigate]

i used Alola Ninetales or Grimmsnarl for Screens but sableye feels a good choice

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 302: Sableye

Types

Dark/Ghost

Abilities

Keen Eye, Stall, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/75/75/65/65/50

Total

380

Other Formes

Sableye-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

als wrong ping sos

[fluid fiber]

Sableye is both good and one of my favorites so I'm happy he works lol

Also fake out immunity

[torn parrot]

If your going into a best of 3 open teamsheets tournament a lot of people drop encore as people are less likely to fall for it if they know your sableye has it going into the battle

[solid frigate]

does Sableye has good time against Flutter?

[fluid fiber]

True actually, thought it's nice to force not clicking protect - something like wisp might be better

[atomic portal]

roseli berry helps a lot

[fluid fiber]

With SpD investment and light screen yeah

[solid frigate]

also WHY URSALUNA BLOODMOON IS THE ONLY SV MON BESIDES THE STARTERS HAVE ANIMATIONS

in Showdown

[sharp tapir]

Anyone want to to bp farming ?

[solid frigate]

#1187213102647873567

[solid frigate]

Time to use Calm Mind Flutter again

[fluid fiber]

I'm Def committed to the Terapagos though. I think it fits my piloting style best

[solid frigate]

same for me,i use Terapagos but now i use Dialga along with Terapagos

Kinda choosing your Mains in Fighting Games

[torn parrot]

That’s a valid thought process
As long as your okay with a sacrificing a move slot

Seen a wide guard zama get first place in a decently sized tournament

And I talked to someone who played against it the Zama didn’t click wide guard once it was only for the fear factor

[solid frigate]

WHY ALL MY USED MONS ARE BLUE-

[autumn vault]

It is a server report

[autumn vault]

Haven't you already tried Zekrom?

[fluid fiber]

I like Terapagos, Zamazenta, Giratina (it's bad), and Eternatus

[solid frigate]

not yet

[solid frigate]

You almost listed my top 3 Legendaries that i like lol

Giratina,Terapagos and Lunala

[fluid fiber]

I love Lunala

[solid frigate]

Giratina,Terapagos,Lunala,Dialga and Zygarde are my top 5

[strange fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967239656586494013/1191377392627879976/ZEKROM-DANCE.gif?ex=65a537a9&is=6592c2a9&hm=c7589df073e2a4310dc6fad1c7bbbd6ba4b06b0cba5804da32e46ff1de78ce64&

[solid frigate]

Kyogre top 6 sorry my boi

[fluid fiber]

I WISH Mew was legal

[strange fjord]

i think zekrom cool

[pearl wind]

wow zekrom is nice nice

[shadow wind]

I think my top 3 are

Groudon
Lunala
Dialga

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-perfect-zygarde-zygarde-perfect-pokemon-pokemon-xy-gif-6971736008687605923

[shadow wind]

Groudon is just a guy.

[solid frigate]

me when Legends Z-A is in 2025

[shadow wind]

Whatever that character design that made Groudon, Aggron, and Ttar is very epic.

[solid frigate]

so Godzilla

[shadow wind]

Bingo.

[fluid fiber]

But actually though could use some suggestions for my team

[solid frigate]

WAIT YOUR PFP IS SUPER PAPER MARIO

[shadow wind]

Sure is.

[solid frigate]

Incin,Rilla and Clefairy

i think solid core for Terapagos

[shadow wind]

Could also use Comfey and Goltres.

[fluid fiber]

What's a good set for celfairy?

Follow me, heal pulse?

[shadow wind]

Maybe helping hand?

[solid frigate]

heal pulse,Helping hand,follow me

[fluid fiber]

Could also use fake tears

[shadow wind]

Never seen them click another move.

[solid frigate]

and 4th move slot either Protect or an attacking move

[shadow wind]

Protect I guess.

[shadow wind]

Wait your pfp is XC2.

That’s dope.

[solid frigate]

SPM and XC2 goated games

[fluid fiber]

EVs?

[shadow wind]

I can tell we’re gonna be great friends.

[shadow wind]

Like all defense.

[craggy dagger]

mmm?

what’re we cooking

[fluid fiber]

SPM is so good

[shadow wind]

You need that fella living

[solid frigate]

terapagos

(That sounds so wrong)

[fluid fiber]

Helping with first tournament team

[shadow wind]

Turtle soup‼️‼️

[fluid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/6ef1746b0104d458

[solid frigate]

ＮＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯＯ

[craggy dagger]

crystal turtle soup-

[polar canyon]

Would that be like eating glass

[shadow wind]

Nah.

Like rock crystals.

[craggy dagger]

clefairy EVs :0

[solid frigate]

I'm not gonna let my Terapagos named as Pneuma close to you-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 35: Clefairy

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/45/48/60/65/35

Total

323

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fluid fiber]

Was asking about them as you came in lol

[craggy dagger]

max hp max defense 4 spd

me thinks…

[shadow wind]

Why do you have reflect on the Goblin?

[autumn vault]

Ah yes, copy of x 13 untitled 10

[shadow wind]

Could run will o wisp.

[solid frigate]

LOL

[fluid fiber]

I've been cooking

[fluid fiber]

Was asking about that too

[solid frigate]

i have make 6 iterations of Terapagos teams so yeah i know how it feels

[mighty stump]

Rayquaza does not deserve to be that low lmao

[shadow wind]

No mega ray he kind of fell off.

[mighty stump]

Lol

[craggy dagger]

ray is still cool

[solid frigate]

i might need to change it later

cuz i have tested for long

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/322defb4fa6868f8 Have a proven version for free

[autumn vault]

Torrent does not want to use it, he didn't rank it in terms of viability

Those are different things

[shadow wind]

And that.

Also does anyone here want to maybe perchance help a brother out with EV calcs for a team?

[solid frigate]

go to dms i might can help

[fluid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/create ?

[solid frigate]

nothing exists

[mighty stump]

Can we trust your calcing

[autumn vault]

I would

[bold geode]

You can trust mine

[fluid fiber]

Ty Tofu - I do like it but I also want to build a team with a little of its own diversity and change to what's everywhere. Specifically I like the Sableye as a supportive tool over having a Flutter Mane

[gentle crag]

maruchaan has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[fluid fiber]

Oh hold on

https://pokepast.es/8e55c63b937d817d

Ogerpon to Rapid Strike isn't a terrible idea though

[mighty stump]

Sableye works over Flutter in the sense it pressures Teras from Physical mons like Groudon/Koraidon/Calyrex-Ice due to Wisp + access to Quash achieves the same thing

Although I just personally miss the Fairy coverage more so as chip

[fluid fiber]

Super fair

I also just - hate Flutter Mane

[shadow wind]

I use to.

Grown on me a little bit.

[fluid fiber]

Mismagius is one of my all time favs so I'll never forgive it

[mighty stump]

Id also consider Sash over Roseli just because of the power lvel of the current format

[shadow wind]

But Flutter and Groudon are just very funny fellas.

[fluid fiber]

I don't think I've seen it get OHKO'd yet though

But also Caly stops berry usage

So maybe smarter

[mighty stump]

Just stops random neutrals from ending you as well

[fluid fiber]

True

[torn parrot]

That’s a neat way to look at it
That they can’t Tera fire in front of will o wisp with terapagos there

The more I think about turtle the more I like her

[mighty stump]

Terapagos just plays very cleanly and rewards keeping your options open

Overlap in defensive/offensive Tera-type means the actual timing of terastalising is unpredictable

with something as impactful as Teraform Zero being an ability as well

[timber falcon]

But who is the question

Not that u have to tell me if u don’t wanna

[autumn vault]

I dont want to

Besides i misremembered, it wasn't someone you knew

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[torn parrot]

Zamazenta is my mammy

[timber falcon]

I thought zama was the boy and zac the girl

Also what’s the zama team like

[torn parrot]

My zama is a girl

[timber falcon]

Oki doki

[craggy dagger]

Oki Dogi?

[molten oasis]

not funny, didn't laugh

[craggy dagger]

:T

[fluid fiber]

Do we think this is in a good spot then? https://pokepast.es/4dae15eeb601e7bb

[timber falcon]

No it’s the saying

Okidoki, yk, like ok

But more playful

[craggy dagger]

ㅠㅠ
what’s with all the max max spreads

[timber falcon]

Incin doesn’t want max attack

Or adamant

[solid frigate]

min attack and Impish Nature

[timber falcon]

4 attack evs

44 can 2HKO 252hp caly-ice iicr

[fluid fiber]

Oh EVs aren't done I need help with them

It's just so people don't say "no EVs?" Every time I post

[timber falcon]

just what i wanted to see when practicing some more

[craggy dagger]

you can always counter that with “i’m working on them”

it’s what i do whenever there’s pokemon without EV’s on them for me

[mighty stump]

Id rather have incomplete EVs tbh

[fluid fiber]

Any suggestions for said EV spreads?

That's the part I've not gotten comfortable with yet

Although the Sableye spread lets it live some wacky stuff I've found

[solid frigate]

not again-

[craggy dagger]

sable is fine imo cause it’s gonna prankster screens anyways

[fluid fiber]

I have no idea about the others

Actually Terapagos I do from Tofu's doc it's just not updated on my phone team sheet

[mighty stump]

It's why I also went Sash, no worries about EVs there other than maybe trying to live Surging Strikes (but you have Sash and if theres anti-priority you wouldnt really be bringing Sableeye anyways)

[craggy dagger]

for starters, let’s work on incin-

[mighty stump]

If you wanta Roseli spread I can send you one from Reg E/F

It's somewhere in my blogs

[craggy dagger]

on it

[fluid fiber]

Nah sash is fine - i wasn't using it because of Mienshao

But swapped it with Clefairy

Also with heal pulse should I do the Pherb version of Terapagos?

[craggy dagger]

Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 SpD
Bold Nature

• Quash
• Will-O-Wisp
• Disable
• Encore

[mighty stump]

You don't necessarily haev to do PHerb, I have specific reasonings as to why I have it

[fluid fiber]

Since I can reset shell that way instead of leftovers

[craggy dagger]

uh-
i think?

[mighty stump]

Yea should be

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable9 Terapagos is the first entry ehre

[craggy dagger]

it’s a reg D set though iirc-

[fluid fiber]

Dw I read that whole doc

[mighty stump]

Yeah Roseli is only relevant for Flutter Mane so if that's the consideration it should remain the same

[mighty stump]

Damn thanks for reading tho

[fluid fiber]

I have the Terapagos EVs on my PC

[mighty stump]

I appreciate u

[fluid fiber]

Just forgot to edit my phone

[craggy dagger]

idk if foul play is relevant…

[mighty stump]

I still like FP

[fluid fiber]

I appreciate you making it, helps me get into it all

[mighty stump]

Better than nothing to be hoenst

Nothign wrong with Full Support if you're aware oof it

[fluid fiber]

It has won me a few games just to help finish off KOs

[craggy dagger]

true true

[fluid fiber]

Especially since Clefairy is already pure support

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t really touched vgc as much but this is my rilla spread from early reg F

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 108 Def / 76 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• High Horsepower
• U-turn
• Fake Out

its coverage variant but glide would work better prolly

[timber falcon]

first time this has happend to me :0

its a very big ego booster

[fluid fiber]

Thanks sorry for the late response was talking to my girlfriend lol

[gentle crag]

maruchaan has given 1 Gen Rep to stella_novie

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

all good

[fluid fiber]

Also will probably do earth power or meteor beam

On Terapagos

[craggy dagger]

:0

[molten oasis]

where glide

[craggy dagger]

i said early reg F-

[molten oasis]

oh

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t touched vgc for a good month now

[molten oasis]

i just looked at the spread lmao

are you planning to play again?

[craggy dagger]

a good 5 months away from cart-

[craggy dagger]

maybe…?
idk

[fluid fiber]

How is this Terapagos spread? Idr why it was like this but I do remember it being from this server

Terapagos @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 212 HP / 236 SpA / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Protect

[craggy dagger]

i’ll prolly just be the person here who just makes spreads instead of playing

[fluid fiber]

Also what is a good Incin set?

[craggy dagger]

incin wants a lot of bulk

and not a lot of attack

[fluid fiber]

Would a snarl set be better than what I have?

Bincineroar (Incineroar) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

[molten oasis]

i got a double freeze lmfao

[fluid fiber]

And how much bulk does it want?

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106546918 after he tries to pull shed tail on me

[solid frigate]

Wholesome moment

[solid frigate]

Double Freeze damn

[molten oasis]

i was winning anyway soo

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106549465 also GHOLDENGOAT STRIKES AGAIN

[solid frigate]

that add the salt to their wound lol

[molten oasis]

the miraidon was -1

edrift wouldn't have killed

my plan was to let wellspring die and bring in incin

[solid frigate]

but i guess it does not matter cuz of the freeze

[tulip field]

thinking of running farigiraf next to koraidon for counter trickroom / optional trick room with some members of the team

[solid frigate]

Paste?

[molten oasis]

paste?

[chrome knot]

incineroar amoonguss farigiraf

[tulip field]

perhab

[molten oasis]

is that just like

the go to tr core rn?

fari incin amoonguss then im guessing caly ice

[chrome knot]

or p2 for farig lmao

[molten oasis]

so fari/p2 incin amoonguss tr sweeper, noted

[tulip field]

https://pokepast.es/d4ff97f18e6e27e9

[dapper crag]

Ninetales-Alola's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Covet, Dig, Double-Edge, Facade, Feint Attack, Flail, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Shard, Icicle Spear, Iron Tail, Payback, Play Rough, Return, Secret Power, Tackle, Tail Slap, Take Down, Triple Axel, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aurora Beam, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Extrasensory, Freeze-Dry, Frost Breath, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Moonblast, Powder Snow, Psyshock, Round, Sheer Cold, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Aurora Veil, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Disable, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Grudge, Hail, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Howl, Hypnosis, Imprison, Laser Focus, Mist, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Role Play, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Tail Whip, Toxic, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ninetales-Alola.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fluid fiber]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2106551165-558e7gwlr7rhenab8hrogalsm9i7rrcpw Not bad

[tulip field]

some random stuff

[chrome knot]

what

incin and farig ran out of ink

[tulip field]

force dark page

it tried to guess if an image needs to be inverted

[molten oasis]

lmao, not even shiny incin

it gave it to them for free

[solid frigate]

what happened to fari-

[tulip field]

dunked in milk

[solid frigate]

yeah thats not its shiny cuz Incin looks like its shiny form lol

[tulip field]

i ran into an issue where i need farigiraf to not be at minimum speed so it can outspeed some common trick room mons while preventing them from setting it

will figure out the specifics

otherwise will be slow enough to capitalize if i want my own trick room set

[chrome knot]

your team is the definition of trying to do too much

[tulip field]

it was thrown together to try various koraidon ideas

i wanted to try chlorophyll, etc

chlorophyll was funny but i had a flutter mane wake up immediately 5 times in a row so

[timber falcon]

what even is the chance of that

[tulip field]

i dunno man

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

18-1 rn

gna take a break and go for top 500 later prolly

[solid frigate]

damn you are on fire

[rustic mountain]

yea im top 500 on my other alt but wanted to go for it on this w/ a clean gxe cuz i was using a bunch of different teams on that one

75% atm

[solid frigate]

cool good luck man

[rustic mountain]

ty

should get there just a matter of keeping up the efficiency

[polar canyon]

Gotta find the tailwind ursa bloodmoon set

[polar canyon]

Pretty impressive

[potent stratus]

is there any reg g rental teams posted anywhere? havent been able to find any

[polar canyon]

Not here

Because reg g isn't officially on yet

[potent stratus]

dang

[rustic mountain]

yea hopefully soon

id imagine end of the month once the vr tour happens and reg g is on the cusp

[potent stratus]

is it released on casual first or something?

[polar canyon]

Any speedy ursa spreads around?

[rustic mountain]

casual is just anything goes

[potent stratus]

oh

no wonder lol

[rustic mountain]

prolly just aiming to outspeed stuff like jolly pao and timid flutter in tw

i think its max speed if not just about

https://pokepast.es/afa344d44993ac47

this was donnellys team the guy who got 2nd place a handful of regionals ago

[mighty stump]

:D

[shadow wind]

What’s that?

[mighty stump]

https://devoncorp.press/

[shadow wind]

Interesting.

[whole ibex]

Nice

[strange fjord]

oh statsugiri teams. i made a similar website. though not exactly the same since I don't know how the original layout was

[strange fjord]

def bookmarking this site for later. ty

[gentle crag]

pizza.time has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[torn parrot]

Honestly I think fushsia’s roselie berry idea can be really great for those screens and will o wisp sableyes as they already have a ton of damage reduction at their disposal

The main thing that can still get them off the field even after the screens or will o wisp is those hard hitting fairy moves from like fluttermane

It allows you to really tank that hit rather than just bringing you to 1 hp which is super nice imo

That’s my thoughts tho

[strange fjord]

cant eat berries with Calyrex Shadow btw

so you'll still be hurt by the draining kiss if they have it

[torn parrot]

Yeah I can defintely see how berries would be a lot worse in this format cus of calyrex
But it’s also not the most common occurrence

I personally really like the berry just for tanking the hits from those fluttermanes and zacians tho it’s been working for me

It’s not often that something would one shot sableye after a will o wisp, reflect, or light screen

[cyan smelt]

I've been using caly s and still struggling, maybe it's because I gave it draining kiss instead of tera blast tera fairy

[timber falcon]

I mean I run draining kiss

It’s very good for it

Just get some of that hp back yk

[dapper crag]

Move: Draining Kiss

The user recovers 3/4 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

What’s the team u have for it?

[cyan smelt]

Hoodra, Grimm, incin, amoonguss, urshifu rapid

[timber falcon]

Why is hoodra there

On a caly-s team

[cyan smelt]

Be really bulky behind screens

[timber falcon]

Ok what’s some of your leads

[cyan smelt]

Shelter body press helps me deal with a lot

I usually lead Grimm and caly or Grimm and hoodra

[timber falcon]

Ok ok, why grim and caly

[dapper crag]

Move: Shelter

Raises the user's Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Steel

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

Feels like everyone's set up to counter caly s though

[timber falcon]

Yeah but it can still work with the right set and partner

What do you do infront of tw

[cyan smelt]

I usually set up with goodra and stall out the tw

[solid frigate]

is it only amnesia boost SpD by 2 stages

[dapper crag]

Move: Amnesia

Raises the user's Special Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[wicked moon]

How good is metagross for comp

It has meta in its name

[cyan smelt]

Hoodra doesn't get amnesia

[solid frigate]

sad

[solid frigate]

Well....

Flashbacks to Explosion being Relevant days

it won 3 worlds if i remember

[timber falcon]

Lul

[cyan smelt]

Registeel gets both amnesia and iron def

[solid frigate]

but thats lke gen 4-5

[wicked moon]

So it used to be good

But it’s kinda mid now

[solid frigate]

ohohohohohoh-

i have a stupid idea lol

[cyan smelt]

But registeel is very passive

[solid frigate]

true

[wicked moon]

Registeel is good in pogo but that’s the only meta ik

[cyan smelt]

Too many fire types around for registeel to be good

[strange fjord]

name 3 fire types that are common rn 😉

[cyan smelt]

Gouging, Groudon (tera fire) , walking wake with flamethrower, incin

[strange fjord]

two of those aren't fire without tera

[cyan smelt]

Gouging, incin, ogerpon hearthflame

[strange fjord]

better

rip heatran. he was popular for a little bit

[cyan smelt]

Then lando showed up

[polar canyon]

Tragedy

[cyan smelt]

Damn

[timber falcon]

oof

bros still in reg A😭

[cyan smelt]

Maybe he's just a karen

[polar canyon]

Buff draco accuracy

It already has a drawback

[timber falcon]

hes running aqau jet dragonite?

[mighty stump]

Either or it’s still generally a 2HKO cause even with Screens you’re not living all that much

[warped mason]

How do u guys feel about necrozma dawn wings for trickroom psy spam?

[cyan smelt]

Lunala better

[bold geode]

Eeeh
Actually
@mighty stump I meant to ask you, what you think of Necrozma Dawn Wings

[warped mason]

I mean necrozma has better stats for psy spam and trickroom

[bold geode]

Lunala is just there more iirc, I honestly can't say

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/113/109/157/127/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

Necrozma DM needs something to deal with dark types

[warped mason]

Your other team mates can solve that issue

[bold geode]

Bigger defense stats but lower HP
I honestly don't know whether that's good or not lmao

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neuroforce

This Pokemon's attacks that are super effective against the target have their damage multiplied by 1.25.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[bold geode]

Or Tera Fairy the Dawn Wings

[dapper crag]

Ability: Prism Armor

This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from supereffective attacks.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Moongeist Beam, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dawn-Wings.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[bold geode]

I guess the reason why you see Lunala more is due to the fact like
Lunala at Full HP takes 3/4 damage from 1st hit no matter if it's resisted, neutral, or super effective

Meanwhile Dawn Wings only takes 3/4 from super effective hits, meaning you can still get it good with strong neutral attacks

[warped mason]

I mean, if its atleast similar bulk, wouldn't it dawn wings be better because lower speed (trick room) and higher offense?

I guess shadow shield is half damage

[next stump]

wide guard also another advantage lunala has

[bold geode]

Does Dawn Wings not?

[warped mason]

Dawn wings also gets wide guard

[bold geode]

Oh Dawn Wings doesn't get Wide Guard

[warped mason]

Wait wot

[next stump]

i’m not seeing it on there

[bold geode]

Yeah that's another reason why you see Lunala more

[warped mason]

Yea i guess luna is mainly there for wide guarding

[next stump]

i don’t dawn wings is bad, like if you wanna use it then use it

but it’s got some pretty stark drawbacks compared to lunala

[warped mason]

I think if u wanted use it as a psy spammer then it'd be the better option

But wide guard into all the caly's are so good

And the weather duo

And kyurem white 💀

[timber falcon]

absurd shit right here

[polar canyon]

Tera dark torn just saved my ass

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106649511-s8i7p3443he8nsbgm90y165c1h0e1hopw

This is why you use tera dark

[atomic mural]

IM FINALLY OUT OF THE TEAMBUILDING PHASE

[tall sequoia]

Something i yearn for

I finished building my incineroar while being broke af with no item printer

After spending all my materials on it

[atomic mural]

bro before i edited it I spelt it fase 💀

[next stump]

training pokémon with power items only takes like 30-45 minutes

[fluid fiber]

I'm SO close to that phase

Also thanks to you guys I've finally gotten a team I want to stream climbing the ladder and participate in tournaments with so a huge thank you to you all!

[molten oasis]

where can i do that

the, the art, that looks sick

[fluid fiber]

Oh that was just photoshop, finding the pokemon, and then editing Hilda's sprite to look like my trainer

But ty! It was not easy Didn't take too too long though

[torn parrot]

What the hell

How did you make that

I wanna make that

What the hell

[molten oasis]

oh cool

i do not have the patience to do that, however

i have the patience to hand draw it

[chrome knot]

woaa thats so cool !!

[torn parrot]

I need the source

Photoshop?

[molten oasis]

yuh

[torn parrot]

Ohhh

I wanna make one wtf

I should draw my little bastards

[molten oasis]

i swear

you took what i said, and reworded it

[torn parrot]

Wait what

[molten oasis]

i literally said, oh cool, i have the patience to draw it

[torn parrot]

Oh wait

[molten oasis]

you said, ohhh, i should draw it

[torn parrot]

I literally didn’t even see that

wooow mb

[molten oasis]

lmfao

i did draw a little bit with zac and shifu

gimme a sec

zac and her best friend shifu

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

i scared everyone with my art

[fluid fiber]

I can share lol, I use FireAlpaca personally

[torn parrot]

Same gist?

Gotcha gotcha

[torn parrot]

That’s a cool drawing I like it

[molten oasis]

thank you

[fluid fiber]

Yeah basically free photoshop

But i just found the B2W2 sprites and moved them in a way I like

I'd be down to do it for other people for like, idk trading or something

[fluid fiber]

That's great btw

[molten oasis]

thank you

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to maruchaan

[fluid fiber]

The only sad thing I'll need to find a workaround to is that no Gen 6 onwards pokemon have official sprites

[molten oasis]

official sprites yea

[fluid fiber]

So I have to use fanmade ones but I don't want to get into trouble using them on stream

[chrome knot]

i will literally make ur comp teams in game if you make me one🥺

[molten oasis]

ill get u a shiny

[fluid fiber]

Unironically if you actually are offering done deal I'll do it

[molten oasis]

ig

[chrome knot]

yes

[craggy dagger]

[fluid fiber]

Same to you

[molten oasis]

idk emma beat me to it lol

OH, alright which one

[fluid fiber]

Okay okay so I'm TRYING to get my 2 main teams either shiny or at least in beast balls, I'd take any help I can get Wheeze

[chrome knot]

whos on ur team

[molten oasis]

yea we need pastes

[fluid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/fe3e692bfdf9cf0b

https://pokepast.es/03fe98e6827c0557

I have Giratina so far. And Terapagos & Ogerpon are successfully in Beast Balls

[craggy dagger]

haban berry?

[dapper crag]

Item: Haban Berry

Halves damage taken from a supereffective Dragon-type attack. Single use.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fluid fiber]

Oh that's a placeholder lmao

[craggy dagger]

wouldnt yache be better

[fluid fiber]

Haven't brought the Perish team to the server for help yet

[fluid fiber]

Probably

[craggy dagger]

cause you're 4x weak to ice

[molten oasis]

wouldn't flutte work better than altaria?

or scream tail

[fluid fiber]

Yes but Golden Turkey clears

[molten oasis]

...does it?

[fluid fiber]

Since the perish song is mostly for clips

Altaria is funnier

[molten oasis]

oh its a meme team then?

not, not to be rude

[chrome knot]

i can do the rest; lapras, sinist, altaria, gothitelle, clefairy, can be done shiny in beast balls

[molten oasis]

that gave me that vibe

[fluid fiber]

Kinda yes

The perish one not the main team

[chrome knot]

and can be in ur ot if you have swsh for all except sinist

[molten oasis]

i can get you incin and rilla

[fluid fiber]

The main team I'm bringing to a tournament

[chrome knot]

sv obv for the other

[fluid fiber]

Incin I actually only want in a Beast Ball - I don't like the shiny

[molten oasis]

ok, done

[fluid fiber]

I do have SwSh

[molten oasis]

you want shiny rilla tho?

[fluid fiber]

Yes please

[molten oasis]

ok, i need to get one myself as well lol

what ball

[fluid fiber]

But if there's a focus anywhere it'd be the main six from my art. Sableye, Rillaboom, and Clefairy shiny (If possible in Beast Balls but I understand how hard that is so nw if not)

The perish six are kinda just a fun tag on but I'll take any you can get

[molten oasis]

i have some beast balls, i think

[fluid fiber]

Also DM me your teams and trainers so I can make the art

[molten oasis]

crap what team do i pick

i have 2 i primarily use

[fluid fiber]

Send both I'll see which looks better

[molten oasis]

for art purposes?

[fluid fiber]

Yeah

Also what base trainer sprite do you want me to use if there's a preference

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/838e03d42ef73098
https://pokepast.es/f48eaded86c1e819

[fluid fiber]

I used Hilda as a base (this is obviously heavily edited by me as well but it started as the reg sprite)

[molten oasis]

i think id prefer the first one cuz i like kyurem a lot

[molten oasis]

and that team a little more

gholdengo is officially my favorite mon to use in vgc as well

[fluid fiber]

My girlfriend's favorite Pokémon so I'm teaching her VGC with it - like it a lot now

[molten oasis]

hes awesome

nasty plot make it rain is just,

very consistently good

[fluid fiber]

Any shinies? Might be able to find the shiny sprite

[molten oasis]

and i think it has what it takes to keep going in restricted whihc is hilarios

[molten oasis]

ninetales

and incin

[fluid fiber]

Such a good shiny

[molten oasis]

i have one named Ruby

i need to go shiny hunt my own tho

[timber falcon]

oh hello peoples

[molten oasis]

but i have the wrong game

[timber falcon]

also wym wrong game

A-Vulpix is exclusive/

[molten oasis]

i have violet

[timber falcon]

ohhhh

lucky me

[molten oasis]

i bought the wrong fucking game

all the competitive mons are in scarlet

except hands bundle and miraidon

[molten oasis]

which except miraidon have kinda died

idt bundle is THAT good

damage output is kinda mid and then just, its inconsistent

[fluid fiber]

Me too, but better colors

[molten oasis]

ok, true

[timber falcon]

caly-s is a whole new experience wtf

low ladder has dedicated teams to stopping this mf

[molten oasis]

lol

[timber falcon]

even wide guard CONKELDUR

i had to look up what moves that thing leanred b4 i got a heart attack

but its fun using such a mon

[shadow wind]

1300, nice job!

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna give up on the hoodra caly s team, it seems like everyone has an answer for caly s

I think my gxe is in the toilet

[mighty stump]

I mean its a relevant matchup

Doesn’t make it bad

Just gotta learn to manoeuvre your counterplay

[cyan smelt]

I might try coaching mienshao with caly I instead

[sullen hare]

I need some recommendations

so I want to use gardevoir but I’m not sure what build to run, anyone got any ideas?

[rustic mountain]

for vgc?

its unfortunately been super power crept

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 282: Gardevoir

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Synchronize, Trace, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/65/65/125/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gardevoir-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

ass spread

[rustic mountain]

ofc they do csr is broken

[cyan smelt]

Gallade still ok on tr teams though

[charred saddle]

prob like scarf? idk

[rustic mountain]

its can u counter their counters and position it well

[charred saddle]

gallade has sharpness and low speed to play in tr

and fighting is good coverage

[cyan smelt]

Lots of dark types around

[rustic mountain]

yea

[charred saddle]

csr pushes people to play dark typinngs

and then fighting comes around

[rustic mountain]

its still amazing despite that, especially w/ tera

[cyan smelt]

Caly s is one of those mons where if my opponents use it they win but if I use it I lose

[rustic mountain]

did u play in swsh?

[cyan smelt]

Late swsh yes

[rustic mountain]

ok but u like played as or vs it b4 sv is wat i mean

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but I remember zacian more than csr

Csr was somewhat checked by yveltal

[rustic mountain]

well id say zacian was more dominant but csr specifically in series 10 w/o dmax was really strong. it also won worlds alongside zacian it was still around as a threat

i think u might look at things in too specific of situations. does yveltal straight up beat csr? sure but thats not how vgc is played. 1 thing doesnt invalidate another necessarily

[minor panther]

gen 8 introduced some of the most mind numbingly broken pokemon

[cyan smelt]

Yeah caly s is still busted despite multiple dark types

[rustic mountain]

and w/ tera now its wild

i can jus tera out the weakness and also hit something that either resisted or was immune for se damage now

[minor panther]

who thought giving a pokemon built in choice band was a good idea again

[rustic mountain]

whose built in choice band

[cyan smelt]

Caly I I guess

[rustic mountain]

but yea gen 8 had quite a few insane mons introduced

[minor panther]

galarian darm

[cyan smelt]

Urshifu, zacian, calys

[rustic mountain]

ohhhh lmao

i forgot about g darm

[minor panther]

then belly drum zen mode will never not be funny

[rustic mountain]

i think that was early swsh stuff it fell off kinda fast

[minor panther]

as unviable as it is

[minor panther]

true, but it was still ridiculous for a moment there

[cyan smelt]

Dracovish was busted too

[rustic mountain]

by the time i started comp in swsh it was mostly phased out

[minor panther]

wasnt fishiou rend also boosted by strong jaw

fishious*

[rustic mountain]

dracovish was cool haha

used that a bit b4 it got power crept

[minor panther]

yeah these arent even funny what was gf thinking

they give zacian every good thing imaginable
and then theres zamazenta

[rustic mountain]

well zacian was nerfed going into this gen

[molten oasis]

zama is good

[minor panther]

i was referring to gen 8 zama

[molten oasis]

ah

[rustic mountain]

yea giving zacian the offensive one the better defensive type was a decision to say the least

[minor panther]

they didnt even give him body press man

at peast hes doing pretty good now

[rustic mountain]

they atleast righted their wrongs now

zama actually seems more viable then zacian atm from wat ive seen

[minor panther]

gen 9 has some pretty ridiculous mons too

gholdengo, flutter mane to name two

well gholdengo isnt horrendous, but still

and then theres palafin.

i will not speak on palafin as to not delete my discord accoumt

[molten oasis]

i like gholdengo

gholdengo is cool

[minor panther]

string cheese

[rustic mountain]

ur mentioning two mons that are strong but not broken and yea flutter is crazy lol

[molten oasis]

palafin is hindered by having to switch out to get going

[rustic mountain]

yep

[minor panther]

fair, but they also just made water type u-turn and gave palafin it

so kinda fueling the fire there gf

[rustic mountain]

nd it like barely used it

[minor panther]

really? i always saw palafin using flip turn

[rustic mountain]

i think at the start a little and then players figured out they can just mix it up and like protect t1/jet punch tera or manually switch to a resist

[minor panther]

true

also me hating palafin isnt anything competitive, and its just the hero form
regular palafin is alright

[rustic mountain]

ik a few ppl that hate the hero form lol specifically the design

@undone sage is one of em

[minor panther]

the design is fine i guess but

its two major things i focus on that i hate

[craggy dagger]

mmm?

[molten oasis]

trying to fihure out how to shiny hunt this alolan vulpix is gonna suck

[craggy dagger]

fairy sammie in the ice biome right

[molten oasis]

its ice and i have the wrong game

[rustic mountain]

[craggy dagger]

oh wait alolapix is pure ice

[molten oasis]

yep

[craggy dagger]

mmm

masuda exists-

[molten oasis]

i want a mark so no

[rustic mountain]

oof

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[molten oasis]

i have to do union circles

[rustic mountain]

gl union circle hunting is rough

[craggy dagger]

why not distant past mark?

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

i cant, that cant be shiny

[craggy dagger]

prolly one of my fav marks

move it once you hatch a shiny

[molten oasis]

unless it can be passed down

[rustic mountain]

distant past is just pla thing

u take a photo of it and then transfer back to sv, u would need pla tho

[craggy dagger]

oh does it have to be from pla-

[molten oasis]

wait you can move it in and then back ang get the mark???

[craggy dagger]

it’s just picture no?

[rustic mountain]

i think yea

[molten oasis]

whats the title?

[craggy dagger]

yeah my gf did that with my shiny hisui liligant

[rustic mountain]

u jus transfer it to pla take the photo then move back

[craggy dagger]

X of the distant past

or hisui ribbon

[molten oasis]

thats kinda cool

[rustic mountain]

its a solid mark

[craggy dagger]

ikrrrrr

it’s why sometimes you see

tornadus of the distant past in vgc stuff

[molten oasis]

hmm

masuda method sucks tho

but so does outbreak hunting

the first time i tried doing it i went overodds

[rustic mountain]

outbreak hunting is objectively more efficient in terms of probability but u have to do union circle which requires another person and its lower spawns in union circles

also masuda is better if u want like specific ivs and what not

[molten oasis]

it would require less material

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

ill do it and just, watch anime or smth

i got a farigiraf in 30 minutes once not trying

i can probably get one at most within the week

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106794939-upc42t6x4tby7if9gu1t6800yor9978pw

orimiss pulse

[undone sage]

Hero form
I dunno why they had to wreck such a cutie like that

[pastel blade]

What’s the best EV spread for ogrepon W

For reg g

[charred saddle]

water?

i mean for reg G the meta is still developing, no standard build yet. and best is too subjective

[molten oasis]

thats the only ogerpon with a w to start its name lmfao

or type

[charred saddle]

best you can take is reg F one but like its different meta and usage. but as a benchmark 188 jolly to outspeed max speed lando I

[charred saddle]

to ensure if its not typo or something

[molten oasis]

why would it auto correct to w

[charred saddle]

and whats wrong just to ensure that i dont misunderstand the question

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't it want to outspeed ogerpon hearthflame too

[charred saddle]

no?

waterpon usually goes for a more support oriented one

bulky support, 204 hp 188 jolly some atk and spdef def spread

thats like one of the most standard set on reg F

i mean u can run like max max atk speed for SD set

lik then again most firepon runs a max speed max atk jolly

so itll be like 5050, and tera firepon ivy cudgel ohkoes non tera waterpon. tera waterpon still gets ohkoed by horn leech firepon

[molten oasis]

...sorry

[pastel blade]

Thanks 188 jolly to outspeed lando is useful information

Also should I run volt switch or u turn on miraidon

[cyan smelt]

volt switch for stab

[halcyon garnet]

Everyone says incineroar is good but is it still as viable w/o fake out I don't feel like hatching one

[pastel blade]

You can teach it egg moves with mirror herb

[halcyon garnet]

@pastel blade my homie

Thank you for that valuable info haha I didn't know that

[pastel blade]

Yea you definitely want fake out lol

[halcyon garnet]

@pastel blade do you know the process? So if I have iron hands in my party with fake out, and incineroar with an empty move slot and a mirror herb it should just happen?

[lofty tartan]

You need to do that, and enter a picnic

[pastel blade]

Yea just start a picnic with both in your party and you should have it instantly

[halcyon garnet]

It worked!

Whats the opinion of rillaboom with fake out? I'm using u turn instead rn. Do you need multiple fake out users on a team?

[charred saddle]

rilla and incin always wants FO

and running multiple FO isnt really a problem

its usually rilla incin and both have FO

no problem, if its AV rilla u can run FO glide woodhammer uturn/high horsepower

incin can run like lots of good moves, parting shot, snarl, knock off, flareblitz, FO

u can also run taunt, but its like really situational

[molten oasis]

double fo can mean constant pressure on the opponent

which is VERY vauable

[charred saddle]

anyone got a bulky metal coat NP gholdengo spread?

[molten oasis]

Should have just pinged me smh

[charred saddle]

u have it? idk kek

[molten oasis]

Gholdy (Gholdengo) @ Metal Coat
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 60 Def / 116 SpA / 36 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

you outspeed most rilla

live surging strikes

unless its, overly boosted

sucker punch from shifu pao and gambit i believe

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

then spA dump

what are you pairing it with?

[charred saddle]

palkia

needed a ghost switch in and steel typing for fairies

[molten oasis]

cool

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106852367

noice

mushroom op

[cyan smelt]

i just played that person

and got beaten :sadge:

[molten oasis]

2 beast balls

on a 1 HP SLEEPING GROOKEY

AND THEY BOTH INSTANTLY BREAK

[cyan smelt]

just save and reset if you don't get it in the ball

[molten oasis]

yeaaaaaaaaaaa

i didn't do that, and forgot you could do that

[pastel blade]

Anyone have a legit iron leaves they don’t want? Or willing to trade

[charred saddle]

not really the place to beg tbf

could have better luck in #1112832566261731328 or just trading in generals #trading_sv

[molten oasis]

noted, beast balls have a .1 catch rate

i did not know that

[fluid fiber]

I'm so sorry The aesthetic is too good

[graceful scaffold]

that wolfey game was so cool

[fluid fiber]

Oh the finals

[molten oasis]

its fine dw

[fluid fiber]

So cool

[molten oasis]

just didn't know as the ball would break without shaking on a 1 hp sleeping grookey

[molten oasis]

the shiny dengo i have is hacked, yaaay

[craggy dagger]

it’s why beast shinies are usually bred with masuda

[molten oasis]

yea

i want to get one in a love ball first

before i start masuda-ing

[cyan smelt]

i caught my tepig in a beast ball

[molten oasis]

nice

[craggy dagger]

i know someone caught a shiny not statused beldum first try with a beast ball

[cyan smelt]

that's insane

[true niche]

💢

[solid frigate]

the demon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106870567

I know i played it badly

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106865691?p2

but its played during i was on school day

[cyan smelt]

Better than I've been playing today

[mighty stump]

I have a shiny dengo if you want one

[solid frigate]

I almost lost to the Groudon team but the Crit Matter so much

[true niche]

Y'ALL

GG everyone gg

[solid frigate]

also i never known Why Koraidon has Brick Break

[cyan smelt]

Screens

[molten oasis]

A legit one?

Just making sure

[cyan smelt]

If the trade happened in this server you should report them

[molten oasis]

It was a friend

I’m consulting them about it rn

Well, when they wake up

They gave me a legit shiny pult so I think it’s more likely the raid was hacked or smth

[solid frigate]

Lol i didn't even have Light Screen Whimsicott lol but no Collision COurse

i think Being In School pressure and won 2 games is alright

[cyan smelt]

Who knows why they had brick break instead of collision course

[solid frigate]

idk but hey 2 games against a Negative MU against Dialga is alright

[cyan smelt]

Dialga origin is pretty good

Why was there no sleep powder on that Venusaur?

[solid frigate]

idk but they solar beamed on my Dialga for some reason-

[cyan smelt]

Should've earth powered

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon is busted

You literally have to change its terrain or it just snowballs kos

[solid frigate]

I just cook Dialga Origin Team with Hybrid Trick Room Tailwind

[cyan smelt]

Sounds good

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/db50c14e4f76bb32
https://pokepast.es/56db81418b436c40

[mighty stump]

yep

I have a collection

[mighty stump]

Fairy is the better Tera

[solid frigate]

Flutter?

[vapid grotto]

So I’m kinda new to competitive and I’ve been trying this build https://pokepast.es/1d75a29c89c3ecf1
And it’s worked mostly alright so far but it seems to really struggle vs dark types and sometimes the mirror matchup. I think I don’t need incin or okidogi but I’m not really sure where to go from there

[solid frigate]

Interesting Okidogi Option

[vapid grotto]

It kinda helps for all the tera fairy and dark types

But it’s more of a bandaid than an actual solution

[solid frigate]

Incin is fine,Ogerpon is fine

wait

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 454: Toxicroak

Types

Poison/Fighting

Abilities

Anticipation, Dry Skin, Poison Touch (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

83/106/65/86/65/85

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Ability: Dry Skin

This Pokemon is immune to Water-type moves and restores 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded down, when hit by a Water-type move. The power of Fire-type moves is multiplied by 1.25 when used on this Pokemon. At the end of each turn, this Pokemon restores 1/8 of its maximum HP, rounded down, if the weather is Rain Dance, and loses 1/8 of its maximum HP, rounded down, if the weather is Sunny Day. The weather effects are prevented if this Pokemon is holding a Utility Umbrella.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

You need to use Okidogi for every situation when there is a Flutter

but then again its not as good

[dapper crag]

- [Ghost/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon, Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ghost, Steel

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Dialga

[solid frigate]

huh

i mean it works,Flash Cannon and Earth Power COvers it

[vapid grotto]

tera steel indedee terablast

[solid frigate]

N O

[mighty stump]

Team easily benefits off Urshifu RS instead

[vapid grotto]

Good thing I have like both urshifus

[mighty stump]

Fairy is a better defensive Tera

[solid frigate]

also is it fine that i make Farigaraf can able to tank Black Glasses Kingambit Kowtow?

[mighty stump]

I dislike the Clear Amulet Calyrex Shadow

[vapid grotto]

I was thinking of swapping it to scarf

[mighty stump]

If you’re gonna Tera to avoid Snarls anyways id rsther run Covert Cloak

[vapid grotto]

To win the mirror

[mighty stump]

Thats not guaranteed cause of Tera Normal Calyrex, theres potential to be walled too easily

[vapid grotto]

I like covert for Tornadous to dodge the fake out

[mighty stump]

Or just play aroudn Snarls. There is a bit of inefficient redundancy imo

[solid frigate]

Scarf is the best option

Max Speed Timid+Scarf is 333

[vapid grotto]

Competitive is hard y’all have so much to think about

I was also thinking maybe a wide guard user but I feel like that’d be just introducing unnecessary mons

[solid frigate]

it is hard,but everyone starts at somewhere, Wide guard is now Very Popular,Mienshao and Iron Valiant are prime supports using it

[vapid grotto]

I mean maybe mienshao solves my problems since it gets fighting and dark moves

I will be back when I reshuffle this team

[solid frigate]

Close Combat,Fake Out,Wide Guard and Feint

[radiant siren]

Hello, returning player here I just got done with the mainline story and I'm about to do Double Battles online any help is welcome 🙂

[foggy lodge]

Good team, i would make some changes

Caly-Shadow doesn't need the Clear amulet, clear amulet is used in physical attackers because of intimidate

With Caly-Shadow you would only worry about snarl or icy wind

Why rain dance in Tornadus? Only Ogerpon and Tornadus benefit from it

And Okidogi with AV, that's the most used set on it, with things like the fighting move that goes first against priority moves

[vapid grotto]

I mean I dunno its been pretty helpful into sun teams/snow teams and then if its a rain team I can just use my own Ogerpon to abuse that

[vapid grotto]

I swapped that for a scarf though I dont know how i feel about it now

[vapid grotto]

Also Oki might be getting benched for mienshao for its access to wide guard

[radiant siren]

Great Ball let's go

[upbeat quail]

Do spread moves do full or partial damage to a dondozo/tatsu combo on the field?

I know they are both technically on the field, but only the dondozo is getting hit

[solid frigate]

choad

[autumn vault]

My main tear list

[next stump]

spread

99% sure

[solid frigate]

ah yes most of them were physical attacker while mine is just B L U E

[autumn vault]

Since Xerneas, Yveltal and Zygarde aren't in the game i wont decide if i want to main them or use them

[solid frigate]

we kno

[autumn vault]

If i ever do make a Miraidon team i will name Miraidon Purple Zekrom

[solid frigate]

pfft

[autumn vault]

Also Ideals > Truth (sorry reshiram, sometimes the truth is ideal, sometimes it isn't)

[solid frigate]

Why all are blue

[autumn vault]

Because you love the color blue?

[solid frigate]

idk its a weird coicidence

[autumn vault]

Sure is

[autumn vault]

I have to make more notes and essays for restricted pokemon and notable pokemon so that way i can have a better time understanding them and when i come back from building my team in game and shiny hunting zekrom

I think tomorrow is when i will shiny hunt Zekrom like crazy

[solid frigate]

nice

[autumn vault]

I have a lot to do, after that is done is when i will make some notes and do some shiny hunting

[next stump]

dynamax adventures or a different method?

[autumn vault]

DA

I got nothing else and SV has the shittiest thing ever made: Shiny locking every legendary and static encounter

[solid frigate]

da also means yes in slavic language so you technically said yes

[autumn vault]

Well, that is something i did not know, so i basically said yes twice

[solid frigate]

lol-

[autumn vault]

yes as slavic yes, and yes from yes it is DA (dynamax adventures DA)

[solid frigate]

lol

[next stump]

good luck with the hunt

[autumn vault]

Thanks Dillon (Update: I lost one life before zekrom, it killed a mienshao in 2 hits and crit copperajah with bolt strike while at -3, when i gmaxed my duraludon it went for the low hp durant WITH ANOTHER crit, tragic)

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

DA raids can be super annoying

that's why I liked doing the method where you find one consistent path and then just reset your game every time you finish

[autumn vault]

I never knew this

It could be very useful

[next stump]

it costs dynamax ore or whatever the resource you get is called

the lady who hosts the raids charges you 3 ore every time you quit

[autumn vault]

Dynite ore?

[next stump]

yeah

[autumn vault]

Just waiting for some people to finish Xerneas DA and then join myself just to get the path and then continue the Zekrom hunt

[mighty stump]

I did 3 Solg raids and gave up

[next stump]

it's definitely gotta be something you do while playing another game

when i was going for kyogre I was just playing league while doing the raids lol

[autumn vault]

All i do is listen to Zekrom's theme in hope of getting good luck and listen to Roar of Dedede

[mighty stump]

I play TFT

[molten oasis]

I will take one when I get home today

Which will be in like 2 hours

[mighty stump]

kk

its not 0 att though

[molten oasis]

Idc

Ik foul play is somewhat relevant

It’s still not gonna hit THAT hard

can always go Tera fsiry dengo as well

Oh, kinda curious now

[mighty stump]

What;s uyp

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/e9bce85b2a58ad32 what do you think of this? I’m not very high in ladder or anything but I like the team so far

Not exactly the best choice of restricted but I think snow works well with dengo

Veil helps it stay on the field long enough to set up

Kyurem also hits hard with hh on a9

[autumn vault]

Why leftovers?

[molten oasis]

So that’s a plus

Oh it’s lefties on the paste?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[molten oasis]

Supposed to be metal coat

[autumn vault]

Oh right

I was wondering why such a useless item for a Hyper Offensive pokemon

Back to being tortured by Zekrom in Dynamax Adventures

[molten oasis]

???

Gholdengo is not a hyper offensive Pokémon

[autumn vault]

It is an offensive pokemon

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

A defensive pokemon would 100% benefit from it

[molten oasis]

Also lefties dengo is good

That extra recovery matters

Idt it’s as good anymore

But still good

[upbeat quail]

Whenever SV ends I know I’m really gonna miss Tera

Megas are still my fave mechanic from a general gameplay perspective, but I think Tera has helped me enjoy comp so much more

[warped mason]

Thoughts on this team?

[timber falcon]

can u send paste so evs are more visible?

[molten oasis]

Guess my teams good then, ok

Also yes paste plz

[warped mason]

Gotta make it, its sent to me as a screenshot