and zama being the only answer to flutter
#competitive_discussion
charred saddle
molten oasis
i feel like thats fairly normal rn tbh
rilla is an answer to flutter imo
rilla eats hits and nukes it back
bold geode
I almost got top 1k early on and haven't touched it since
I got fucked by A Muk Smeargle
molten oasis
oof
bold geode
I have doubts about asking but
How does one calc a Gastrodon?
molten oasis
idk
autumn vault
I almost got top 1k early on and haven't touched it since
I got fucked by A Muk ...
In your defense it is the worst combo in competitive history
And the most RNG combo
molten oasis
you dont know about the whole liepard strategy then
autumn vault
Correction: They are the worst combo in gen 9 VGC
molten oasis
muk smeargle is just extremely annoying
charred saddle
I almost got top 1k early on and haven't touched it since
I got fucked by A Muk ...
bro i got fucked with howl swipe sub burning bulwark fucking gouging fire bro
IT FUCKING SUBBED
molten oasis
and you're relying on rng, if you lose oh well
autumn vault
bro i got fucked with howl swipe sub burning bulwark fucking gouging fire bro
What The Actual Fuck is that moveset
I hardly believe you at all
charred saddle
hell if i know
molten oasis
cart is weird
charred saddle
i mean showdown is even weirder tho
autumn vault
Less weird than 1000 elo players
I made 2 alts and i saw a giga drain amoonguss and an expert belt miraidon on the same team
mighty stump
Because good players always seek improvement even in wins
bold geode
bro i got fucked with howl swipe sub burning bulwark fucking gouging fire bro
It good trust (don't trust)
timber falcon
what is a mon u dont wanna get hit by
without any boosts
i need some explosive damage
bold geode
What is the source?
mighty stump
VGC Data
charred saddle
oh theres dialga origin in top 2
charred saddle
thheres zacian there, no 1 at time traveler championship
mighty stump
Top Limitless tours
timber falcon
oh ok im just blind
molten oasis
thheres zacian there, no 1 at time traveler championship
👀
bold geode
I just want some help figuring out how to calc water slug
Like I figure max HP would be nice, but idk what else
bold geode
not dying to a helping hand astral barrage or sth
Figure I'd probably either want max HP or for total HP to end in 9 for Lefties huh
bold geode
Damn we really just don't know huh lmao
autumn vault
Because good players always seek improvement even in wins
To be fair what sane person wouldn't want to improve?
molten oasis
Miraidon is really not seeing that much usage?
autumn vault
Miraidon is really not seeing that much usage?
It is a case of being overhyped, i honestly saw it coming
At first i feared it, the few days before the reg was announced i knew it wasn't that great
mighty stump
To be fair what sane person wouldn't want to improve?
People who say "it's good enough" or "it's not that bad"
bold geode
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Yawn
- Protect
Lives Calyrex Life Orb Helping Hand Astral Barrage from Timid
And lives +1 Precipice Blades (I have actually seen a ton of Bulk Up Groudon)
mighty stump
Yea im beginning to prefer Bulk Up
bold geode
Actually seen more Bulk Up Groudon than Swords Dance
bold geode
Yea im beginning to prefer Bulk Up
I thought about it one day lol
But yeah
+2 Precipice is a 31.3% roll
That unless I lose the Calyrex side of things, I just don't lower
bold geode
Slug
molten oasis
Yea im beginning to prefer Bulk Up
On groudon?
autumn vault
Slug
elder python
anyone a singles ou player that can help me make a team?
solid frigate
sorry i haven't played Singles for so long
bold geode
On groudon?
Yup, people are doing it
tame sky
Does anybody have a good regieleki team?
molten oasis
I see
solid frigate
Does anybody have a good regieleki team?
Its quite fallen off compare to regidrago
but lemme find it
tame sky
I still want to use it
tame sky
but lemme find it
Thank youu
gentle cragBOT
Thank youu
monst_rr has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456
elder python
sorry i haven't played Singles for so long
it’s all good
mighty stump
Caly-S + Regieleki is a pretty simple HO team
tame sky
Do you have a rental code or pokepaste?
solid frigate
Do you have a rental code or pokepaste?
wait is it reg F
mighty stump
Reg F? you can search for Regieleki teams with LabMaus
solid frigate
i am just asking to Monstrr cuz i haven't asked Which Regulation.
mighty stump
tame sky
i am just asking to Monstrr cuz i haven't asked Which Regulation.
Yes reg f
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/07910c986291b90c Highest placement Regieleki team on the most notable tour there
tame sky
Thank you so much
mighty stump
More stuff on Labmaus
pine arrow
im trying to build a vgc team on showdown - which format is it? "VGC 2024 Reg F", "VGC 2024 Reg G", "Doubles OU"?
chrome knot
regulation F is vgcs format right now until start of may, regulation G is the vgc format from may until end of august
astral lintel
Neil was that friend?
chrome knot
yeahhh
astral lintel
That sucks. I just ran into this entire thing on twitter (what an awful site that is, btw).
molten oasis
unfortunate indeed
astral lintel
Well, we got trans icon amoonguss out of it I guess
pine arrow
regulation F is vgcs format right now until start of may, regulation G is the vg...
thx
molten oasis
i didnt really support him but like, twitter mobbing anyone like that has to feel terrible
no matter what you've done
astral lintel
Twitter makes everyone feel terrible at different times, whether you do good or terrible
molten oasis
mhmm
astral lintel
Man has some growing up to do still. Idk about that whole catfish thing though. That one is just odd
chrome knot
problem is knowing the original intention of that but
hearing he went way out of control with it is tough to follow through
his act of catching a pedophile is the truth; he’s been trying to gather evidence against an australian vgc player who comes from mario kart wii(which is where im from) and we’ve started to put together certain docs we have of it
astral lintel
the nail in the coffin was the mental disorder thing
That one is definitely a staple of a lot of people you don't want to be associating with
astral lintel
hearing he went way out of control with it is tough to follow through
I have not read up on all of this in detail. Is this about the catfish thing?
chrome knot
yes
mighty stump
I just don't think it's really appropriate to catfish like some vigilante though
astral lintel
It just feels so weird. Have trans friends and be transphobic, do a catch the predator thing while catfishing
mighty stump
It's overall just odd behaviour
molten oasis
astral lintel
ohh, the catfishing was part of trying to progress the catch a predator thing?
chrome knot
yes
astral lintel
Hmm, without knowing the details of that, I know this is sort of done in official capacity sometimes, but doing it vigilante, as tofu said, is definitely something else
Well, I hope the doc doesn't go entirely to waste. Regardless of this, I imagine a lot of work went into it, hopefully for something good in the end
plain drum
That's two big competitive names soured in one week
mighty stump
Emvee and Neil?
plain drum
Wasn't sure if anybody else here knew about Emvee, hadn't seen it mentioned but in a way it's also fine that it wasn't
atomic mural
atomic mural
molten oasis
warped mason
Finally got my hands on a shiny lunala. Anyone got a decent lunala team?
mighty stump
If you go to my blogpost theres two very similar teams, one featuring SableyeVGC’s team
warped mason
If you go to my blogpost theres two very similar teams, one featuring SableyeVGC...
Where can I find your blog post
Nvm clicked on ur profile
Ooo galarian zapdos is spicy, what match ups would u send that in? Only against intimidaters? @mighty stump
molten oasis
Gapdos is good
You have positive mu’s into all the fighting and grass types
Along with being good into steel/dark types
Defiant fighting type is also great into incineroar
bold geode
Defiant fighting type is also great into incineroar
Y'know what else is good into Incineroar
molten oasis
It’s mid
bold geode
MY MOM
molten oasis
Yea ur mom is mid
solid frigate
F
cyan smelt
Rude
dawn crown
what is a good speed to hit on walking wake
molten oasis
bold geode
ok muscle man
rustic mountain
monke ur on me to finish dlc now too? wtf
undone sage
Who said I'm not here
cyan smelt
Maybe tree will get pecharunt when it becomes vgc legal and turns out to be op
rustic mountain
Who said I'm not here
rustic mountain
Maybe tree will get pecharunt when it becomes vgc legal and turns out to be op
honestly, yea
thatd give me motivation
undone sage
Imagine they time limit it, and when you go to do the story it says "You took too long, time expired"
bold geode
"Pecharunt got tired of fuckin waiting"
undone sage
undone sage
me typing up a 3 page complaint to tpci theyll never read: <a:aPES2_BeanTyping:9...
"Guess you should have done it on release 
"
rustic mountain
"you shouldve listened to kitsumi"
cyan smelt
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2105080562
How can anyone find it fun to have like 15+ turn games every time, on cart you'd just stall til they lose on timer
cyan smelt
And it was a tie, good because neither deserved to win
foggy lodge
Imagine they time limit it, and when you go to do the story it says "You took to...
I feel like this would happen with thw MK8 DLC when you have it by the online
"You can no longer play as Funky Kong"
cyan smelt
Speaking of that I need to get the DLC packs
foggy lodge
How can anyone find it fun to have like 15+ turn games every time, on cart you'd...
I wanted to try a Zamazenta team
And i feel like this would happen
I've had to forfeit in matches because they are so long
molten oasis
Zama’s not really a stall type of Mon
foggy lodge
And more in BO3
cyan smelt
Now I'm feeling like I need to bring haze what with all the stat boosting going around
foggy lodge
Zama’s not really a stall type of Mon
It's the rest of the team
molten oasis
Ah
foggy lodge
cyan smelt
These sort of stall teams only work on showdown, they never work on cart or in bo3
foggy lodge
Ting-Lu Zamazenta is a good core
foggy lodge
These sort of stall teams only work on showdown, they never work on cart or in b...
Yeah
torn parrot
so the showdown timer works differently than on cart?
cyan smelt
Yes cart timer is less
torn parrot
gotcha makes sense
cyan smelt
Gamefreak doesn't want people doing stall
cyan smelt
Ghost to avoid fo
cyan smelt
Or flutter yeah but you can pack wide guard
cyan smelt
I feel like ho oh and ting lu is also decent
torn parrot
what would we do a if a muk team wins worlds
molten oasis
what would we do a if a muk team wins worlds
Quit
torn parrot
sounds like a plan XD
cyan smelt
Dw caly s will win worlds
molten oasis
Sounds like I’m still quitting if that happens
torn parrot
Dw caly s will win worlds
indeed
cyan smelt
Caly s dominated in swsh despite there being multiple strong dark types including yveltal
cyan smelt
Pro tip, heavy slam on ting lu never misses and with tera poison you can't get toxiced or draining kissed
Keep that in mind next time you face caly s muk
torn parrot
true suppose that minimize still has those hard counters
not everyone has those on a team tho
if a muk team was legit it would proably have that combo as a side strat
on top of something powerful
cyan smelt
It only works on showdown bo1
Heat crash also never misses
And sacred sword ignores stat changes
torn parrot
i know its not unbeatable it has counters
just really annoying
Especially if someone is just like running a super balance team
cus be honest
not every team has sacred sword not every team has a weight move
cyan smelt
True
smoky hawk
What are we seeing the most? Caly, groudon, terapagos?
bold geode
Keep that in mind next time you face caly s muk
Don't even
warped mason
How is tera dark on lunala
Figured it might not be bad since its good into psychic ghost and dark moves
smoky hawk
https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable9#Zamazenta-The-Shield-Warrio...
Helpful. Thanks! And thanks @mighty stump
gentle cragBOT
Helpful. Thanks! And thanks <@250386799363489808>
t0paz777 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke, woodtofu
bold geode
Yup
atomic mural
im finally getting to the 1200's
only lost game 1 because I forgot about my own armor tail
polar canyon
Surely it's not a bad idea to run iron crown without psychic terrain right?
Electric terrain instead
Focus blast or tera blast?
cyan smelt
Not focus miss lol
polar canyon
I was gonna say tera fighting for terapagos but it's not really a good idea to tera against terapagos
polar canyon
Neither
The moveset is just what you'd think a robot has
It's a gen 9 mon
The ones that can spit fire and lightning for no reason are usually from early gens
Like snorlax
Snorlax can spit fire and summon lightning
After looking at calcs I realized iron crown is pretty mid when not spamming expanding force
cyan smelt
Ok get pecharunt
warped mason
Just finished building a shiny lunala team 
. Reg G gonna be fun.
cyan smelt
Isn't tera fairy with moonlight better for lunala
warped mason
There's arguments for it. I thought it'd be better into caly shadow since it resists astral barrage.
amber radish
Anyone know if you get a used up item back if a pokemon is revived with revival blessing?
warped mason
What happened to neil, can't find his channel anymore
foggy lodge
whaaaat
foggy lodge
What happened to neil, can't find his channel anymore
A controversy in the community
It basically ended with him deleting his channel
warped mason
Damn
cyan smelt
There was also controversy around someone called emvee
warped mason
Damn, his videos were insightful. What a shame.
rustic mountain
plenty of good vgc content out there
atomic mural
dawn crown
What is a "good" rank in showdown?
cyan smelt
Like 1500+ with a 65% gxe or more
dawn crown
Like 1500+ with a 65% gxe or more
what is gxe?
cyan smelt
Glicko, win percentage
strange fjord
gxe is actually the likelihood of you winning against a random opponent is,
pretty cooi stuff if you want to look into it:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gxe-glixare-a-much-better-way-of-estimating-a-players-overall-rating-than-shoddys-cre.51169/
cyan smelt
My gxe always sucks
shadow wind
Like 1500+ with a 65% gxe or more
Wouldn't elo completely depend on the kind of games you're doing too?
cyan smelt
Depends on how many people are playing the ladder
shadow wind
That's what I mean.
cyan smelt
Yeah that too
shadow wind
Huh?
cyan smelt
Yeah I mean your elo is dependant on how many people are playing the ladder
shadow wind
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Anyway.
So I think a hard elo amount like 1500+ isn't a good marker for skill.
shadow wind
GXE is better to gauge skill but at the same time it isn't 100% accurate.
So back to the original question of "What is a good rank in showdown". I would say it completely depends on what kind of battles you are doing.
molten oasis
we usually play vgc here
strange fjord
GXE is more accurate the more battles you do, but then again, its only an estimate.
molten oasis
ratings dont always matter
you can have a pretty eh rating and still be a good player
shadow wind
Very true.
cyan smelt
A lot of good players just use showdown to test
shadow wind
But yknow, typically rating is how you distinguish good from bad.
molten oasis
mhmm
shadow wind
A lot of good players just use showdown to test
But at the same time a lot of people grind showdown to have a high rating because they are good.
strange fjord
high rating is a good indication of a good/consistent player. a low rating doesn't indicate too much.
shadow wind
But as of right now in this very moment I would say that for [Gen 9] VGC 2024 Reg G a 1500 is a good rating.
charred saddle
its not that good gxe --> good
or 1500 is good
its more like having both is good, ur above average with a pretty good chance of winning.
but then again, it depends on ur own goal
shadow wind
It is.
timber falcon
Oh ok
charred saddle
and its still early into the regulations, i think its a bit volatile on the elo and all
like if u hit reg F 1500 with chandelure and 67% gxe id say thats pretty good no ?
its one of the most dumb runs i had and its fun
strange fjord
honestly, just winning battles consistently while feeling good about your team is good.
timber falcon
A high gxe shows consistency no?
strange fjord
usually yeah.
molten oasis
fighting a muk player and just forced him into a 1v1 against zac
strange fjord
but it changes quite a bit with a little amount of battles
timber falcon
fighting a muk player and just forced him into a 1v1 against zac
That’s not gonna end well for them 
molten oasis
yea well i havent hit a single move on zac so idk
timber falcon
but it changes quite a bit with a little amount of battles
Yeah, if you are on a losing streak it will decrease by quite a bit
timber falcon
yea well i havent hit a single move on zac so idk
Oh it set up?
molten oasis
yea cuz follow me
timber falcon
So they can only knock off
molten oasis
if i lose its whatever
strange fjord
my silly little solution for muk is belly drum munchlax with body slam.
strange fjord
body slam does double damage and always hits if the opponent uses minimize
timber falcon
Offensive pressure does the job
charred saddle
Getting lucky.
relateable
timber falcon
Just rush them incredibly hard Lul
shadow wind
I use Groudon so for me to do anything I need to get lucky anyway.
charred saddle
precimiss blade
strange fjord
do you have heat crash on groudon?
molten oasis
i have play rough so i also have to get lucky
shadow wind
Nope.
charred saddle
heatcrash more consistent, groudon is fucking heavy
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
strange fjord
dang. cause that functions the same way as body slam to minimized pokemon
cyan smelt
Except against caly i
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
shadow wind
heatcrash more consistent, groudon is fucking heavy
So is the ice horse.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
Fire punch hurts it?
molten oasis
tera water lando i, man
charred saddle
oh i thouhgt ice horse is 500ish
charred saddle
252+ Atk Groudon Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider in Sun: 112-134 (54.1 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
cyan smelt
Don't they usually tera fire or water
shadow wind
Yeah.
charred saddle
still a good keep in mind calc as they can always burn tera elsewhere
shadow wind
I also run tera fire.
charred saddle
fire is quite common i think ye
shadow wind
Stops will o wisp.
charred saddle
whats the spD and 20 speed for?
shadow wind
Nothing specific but the 20 speed is to guarantee outspeed anything in tailwind.
strange fjord
Sneak Peak on Tera Stats for munchstats. This is for Calyrex-Ice
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/de88743f093b426c
This team brought me to T300 so it must be somewhat good.
charred saddle
normal tera rilla?
shadow wind
For Calyrex.
charred saddle
does woodhammer in terrain ohkoes caly?
shadow wind
Not quite.
charred saddle
or woodhammer into glide?
shadow wind
Mostly hammer into glide.
charred saddle
interesting
shadow wind
Or just use Gambit.
charred saddle
matter of fact i was just thinking of runningn AV rilla with knock off lately
shadow wind
Could work.
charred saddle
just like get rilla very bulky
shadow wind
No one really runs knock off on Rilla anymore.
charred saddle
but in tera and OTS its hard ye
molten oasis
shadow ball farigiraf
shadow wind
I've been thinking of using Armarouge with Groudon as well but I'm not too sure on how to make that team.
charred saddle
but like one of the most popular partner to caly S is indee no
shadow wind
Just wide guard + sun abuse seems good.
cyan smelt
Wide guard+ earthquake
charred saddle
arm power herb meteor beam wide guard might be interesting
shadow wind
Does this timer ever go away or do I just have to always wait for 5 seconds every time.
charred saddle
Does this timer ever go away or do I just have to always wait for 5 seconds ever...
yes, to avoid spam actually
charred saddle
yes
shadow wind
Ah ok.
charred saddle
slowmode forever 
shadow wind
Little painful but no spam I guess.
charred saddle
unless u become a staff here kek
cyan smelt
People still spam they just have to wait 5 seconds
charred saddle
staff here gets to abuse spam
i mean like, ye. but its still annoying to wait for 5 sec if ur planning on spammin
molten oasis
the horses are pretty dumb
cyan smelt
Caly was a bad idea and they didn't nerf it at all, meanwhile they cut the aura trio because they were worried about "balance"
cyan smelt
I'm annoyed that dozo is still around
cyan smelt
They nerfed zacian and eleki but decided to leave caly untouched
shadow wind
Wow.
molten oasis
well i lost, whatever
shadow wind
So I just lost like 8 games in a row then I accidentally hopped onto my high elo account and won.
This is what I mean when I say low elo is harder than high elo.
In some situations I do actually think low elo can be trickier to play than high elo.
It's too sporadic.
molten oasis
missplayed a game not bringing shifu
trying to see if a caly ice is fire or water is annoying
cyan smelt
i wanna try whirlwind iron hands lol
@torn parrot https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105241137 this you?
strange fjord
think so
cyan smelt
it's her team so i'd say it's her lol
cyan smelt
wut
unkempt flax
Am I crazy? What happened to NeilVGC YouTube channel
torn parrot
hey what
oh yeah
guys i mega tilt climbed today
that was me hella tilted in that replay
🐇
cyan smelt
but, you won?
torn parrot
wait was i playinga gainst someone in this server?
molten oasis
im not enjoying this
cyan smelt
no i was just spectating
molten oasis
1237 elo 57.7 gxe
just went on a big loss streak
dissapointed, my amoonguss mu feels kinda shit
and im starting to reconsider my tera on zac
and my mu into caly ice mienshao teams also feels kinda bad
idk
torn parrot
no i was just spectating
i was tryna play on my alt to see if i coudl go above 1600 but i ended up getting hard locked in 1500-1600
so i kept playing until i was back to 1600 and now im chillin
cyan smelt
i wish i could climb that high but congrats
torn parrot
also
i played against a
muk team today
and realized
MY TING LU HAS HEAVY SLAM
i was so happy to realize this
cyan smelt
and tera poison?
torn parrot
yeah and tera poison
cyan smelt
so no toxic stall lmao
torn parrot
hell yeah no toxic no drian punch no nothin
im glad you reminded me of that earlier today
cyan smelt
heavy slam is clutch
i've seen some people use psych up caly-s with tera fairy so heavy slam is good for that too
molten oasis
yea, that shits annoying asf
torn parrot
next time i go into the ladder i will have a calm and collected mindset and also I wont be in the middle of finals month
but generally it was good practice today
i deserve a snack
pearl wind
i deserve a snack
cyan smelt
what about annihilape next to caly ice, or gapdos
unkempt flax
Read up on that whole situation, and my lord is that the most basic twitter “apology” ever. Glad he is out
charred saddle
<:munch:1158655942674616360>
snacks 
molten oasis
break time for sure, caly ice can burn in hell
literally feel incapable of beating it
no matter what the members are
cyan smelt
why don't you taunt the partner
molten oasis
torn explodes
cyan smelt
foul play?
molten oasis
i dont really have anyone that can do that except incin
nvm it doesnt get it
idk im gonna take a break and try to tackle this tomorrow
went from 1400 to 1200 so im kinda stuck in low elo rn anyway
and generally just dont feel capable of beating anything
might try a different restricted tomorrow, idk
charred saddle
its funny that i played worse than previous regulation, but i have higher elo on cart
hm
torn parrot
next to mienshao
yeah its pretty annoying
cyan smelt
i want to use hisuian goodra but have no idea who to pair it with, any ideas?
i'm thinking farig, kyogre, thundurus
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
i do love the stats
cyan smelt
lunala is better imo
cyan smelt
better ability
mighty stump
Ooo galarian zapdos is spicy, what match ups would u send that in? Only against ...
and Snarl users
i.e. Incineroar
autumn vault
@mighty stump Why does Rayquaza have 100 speed investment? I was reading through your blog post and the Rayquaza bias is nice to know without calcs idk what the speed is for, 128 speed hits a benchmark of some sorts that i dont know
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> Why does Rayquaza have 100 speed investment? I was reading...
Personal preference; 128 outspeeds 125-127 mon speed range which are the calcs that outspeed Modest Manes -> Jolly Moons -> Timid creep Manes after an Icy Wind
Plus, it should be outspeeding most Groudons
Which sits around that speed tier
chrome knot
tofuuuuu
@mighty stump currently sat with zamazenta goating fire pao dnite in builder with rilla lando i as safety slots is there anything comfier to put in those two places ? i thought abt gholdengo ogerpon asw but it seemed kinda awk + lando hits good into lots of the annoying mus, dark shifu also seems solid rn
foggy lodge
i want to use hisuian goodra but have no idea who to pair it with, any ideas?
Ting-Lu
cyan smelt
That kinda doubles up on fighting weaknesses
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> currently sat with zamazenta goating fire pao dnite in bui...
I agree with Lando-I being good, alternatively you can run Grimmsnarl as your defensive dark-type due to Foul Play access being overall good, Trick Iron Ball can be pretty nice for Speed Control + Underspeeding Caly-I in TR matchups. I agree wth Darkshifu to deal with Ghost-types hiding from BPress Zamazenta
foggy lodge
That kinda doubles up on fighting weaknesses
It's not so bad
Maybe something with Flutter Mane of Farigiraf?
cyan smelt
Was gonna go farig, hoodra, kyogre and thundurus
mighty stump
Hoodra would just build out like Zama teams
foggy lodge
But i think Ting-Lu would be great so you don't much damage from special attackers
mighty stump
But it opens up your restricted slot, imo you can build similarly running screens
I also saw a Hoodra/Caly-S team with Grimmsnarl that was also particulalry interesting
Fake Tears + Foul Play + Screens
chrome knot
I agree with Lando-I being good, alternatively you can run Grimmsnarl as your de...
ill get back to you wit a paste lemme put it together
cyan smelt
That sounds interesting
foggy lodge
Yeah i just saw the 4 weakness to fighting lol
But atleast in my case it's not so bad
Amoonguss and Flutter help a lot in that match up
chrome knot
casuals
autumn vault
Which sits around that speed tier
Understood, thanks for helping, i am actually building a Rayquaza team and your team looks great (and also the spread)
gentle cragBOT
Understood, thanks for helping, i am actually building a Rayquaza team and your ...
lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
foggy lodge
They have the same BST
mighty stump
Here's a fun thing
mighty stump
Basically the same mon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
molten oasis
huh
chrome knot
https://pokepast.es/3218c5e183d6d61f
@mighty stump chien pao seems kinda clunky here, thinking pon pon but open to smarter insights 
molten oasis
neat team
molten oasis
do you need one? its not that relevant
eh well, you should have an idea on what to do into it nvm
whats the team?
drowsy spear
Why do some people refuse to use legendaries and criticise people who do
I’m definitely one of those people who refuse to use legendaries but I don’t criticize people who do though.. i just criticize game freak for not creating a bug legendary yet, heck or even a bug/dragon like what flygon and yanmega was suppose to be lol
solid frigate
yep Chien Pao is still my bane of my ass
solid frigate
then go for the ko on rilla
sigh i forgot...
solid frigate
i tried Clear Amulet Terapagos for a bit
molten oasis
cloak good
amber radish
Anyone know if your able to change weather if another weather effect is happening, or do you need to wait for it to end?
molten oasis
i saw cloak a little bit today
you can change the weather manually with another weather
rain dance overrides drought
sunny day overrides sand stream, etc
or you switch in a mon with weather controlling abilities
torkoal switching into abomasnow, groudon into kyogre, etc
if you're mon is slower than the other you will get the weather first
solid frigate
remind me why Lugia stall is a problem for me
its not a problem or anything
its just i need to play around stall
molten oasis
molten oasis
i think
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/3218c5e183d6d61f
<@250386799363489808> chien pao seems kinda...
Well if youre running Dnite, Chien-Pao is almost a must to me
molten oasis
unfortunately im gonna probably make zacian a side thing. i like it a lot but as a single restricted id rather smth else
mighty stump
and I like Pao to deal with Amoonguss as well
molten oasis
like, since single restricteds are fairly crucial in which you pick
leaning groudon or maybe miraidon
mighty stump
True, but it also depends
Ive had to plya a lot of games without my restricted when doing Ray
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105455349-5ukf0t5j8krek65w784umg5khfyfb3xpw
eh Stalled 2 trick rooms, i can do better on scout
molten oasis
Ive had to plya a lot of games without my restricted when doing Ray
it struggles that much?
mighty stump
Outside of a few interactions I like
molten oasis
that kinda sucks
https://pokepast.es/6a65a88d90782fc1 thoughts about this? Darkest lariat is for the mu into zama
It’s testing
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/6a65a88d90782fc1 thoughts about this? Darkest lariat is for ...
it would caught zama players off guard,but what Tera does Zama usually do
solid frigate
Ok then thats gonna be worth it
molten oasis
Cuz otherwise from zama you have to take hits from wake/flutter
Flutter just dies to bash
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/c38750280bf783ab
Meanwhile me Testing A9
solid frigate
Flutter just dies to bash
make sense
i might test Dialga if i can
Its Dialga Origin good with Moltres Galar?(Goltres)
timber falcon
why would it be though
solid frigate
why would it be though
saw someone using it
timber falcon
i cant see the synergy, booster mane?
solid frigate
and i am making a Dialga Team (Took me that long)
solid frigate
i can make either trick room mode or Tailwind Mode
timber falcon
why tw?
mighty stump
Yeah but like
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
mighty stump
It sounds like it's an arbitrary choice of Goltres
brazen bough
im thinking about trying it with maybe calyrex ice rider
solid frigate
im thinking about trying it with maybe calyrex ice rider
saw that before with it
brazen bough
umm curse no
timber falcon
i mean, why mimikyu for tr
mighty stump
I don't think Mimikyu provides enough relative to like
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
mighty stump
Farigiraf
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
brazen bough
Farigiraf
yeah i thought it learned foul play lol
apparently it doesnt so its pretty mid
timber falcon
mimikyu crumbles after disguise is off
brazen bough
but i guess it ensures tr if bulky enough
i mean mimikyu has respectable bulk i wouldnt say crumbles
mighty stump
Lol
timber falcon
yeah if u run full bulk
autumn vault
The bulk isn't that good imo
timber falcon
look at that hp
timber falcon
ok maybe not crumble i spoke too soon
autumn vault
Only good on SpD
timber falcon
its def is ok
timber falcon
mhm
brazen bough
bro damn mimikyu doesnt have foul play
timber falcon
also i just found out about mariland teambuilder
brazen bough
that was the only reason i asked about it lmao
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
also i just found out about mariland teambuilder
It did not update in the Slightest
timber falcon
also i just found out about mariland teambuilder
very helpful if ur struggling with resistances and stuff
timber falcon
It did not update in the Slightest
why would it need to update
brazen bough
i might try a screens caly ice team ig
timber falcon
that works
solid frigate
It does not even Update Indigo Disk
But eh you can use different Pokemon to Sub it
timber falcon
It does not even Update Indigo Disk
But eh you can use different Pokemon to Sub ...
really? cause bolt is there
oh not terapagos
solid frigate
oh not terapagos
and Pecharunt but we don't care about it cuz its a mythical
timber falcon
i dont even have it yet lul
after being introduced to comp my wanting for mythicals decreased significantly
solid frigate
i dont even have it yet lul
Gouging and Boulder are not in
timber falcon
Gouging and Boulder are not in
yeah this i found annoying
solid frigate
which is stupid-
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/72f2eef9d273b43a
I am still not sure about Dialga's Tera Type
solid frigate
wait if i change this team a bit its almost PLA Team
Ursaluna and Tornadus are in PLA
solid frigate
a bit? u gotta sub 3 members
oh wait Other three are not in the game
Ok thats pretty nice
molten oasis
Dropped from 1500 to 1300 with the moon Don team
That team feels pretty shit now so it just need work
timber falcon
Dropped from 1500 to 1300 with the moon Don team
don = koraidon
right? cause i think i remember that team
autumn vault
Is it a Miraidon team or a Koraidon team? Because i can assist if it's a Koraidon team
timber falcon
im pretty sure it was koraidon, cause its gonna be sun if moon is there in reg G
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105508792
Ok that a rage quit moment
ALSO WHY HE POISON JAB A DIALGA
timber falcon
that has also confusef me lol, i think he predicted fairy tera
btw what evs does dozo run?
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105511348
Ok why Dialga become my most comfortable Team ever
Dialga might be my main for some reason but-
mighty stump
Bro played 3 games and got biased
autumn vault
Dialga might be my main for some reason but-
Seeing you want to try Zekrom warms my heart up, i have seen countless people on showdown criticize Zekrom just because of Miraidon and Bolt's existence when they hardly have an idea of what it actually does
Yes i am biased sue me
solid frigate
Seeing you want to try Zekrom warms my heart up, i have seen countless people on...
I wanna see potential on it,like i know i would not play it well but yeah,i will make a team for it if i can
molten oasis
don = koraidon
Groudon
mighty stump
and unrealistic in analysis
molten oasis
Felt, idk
molten oasis
Moon is a Tera hog and it sucks
lethal zinc
Is there really a major use case for Zekrom that something else can’t reasonably accomplish. 
timber falcon
Is there really a major use case for Zekrom that something else can’t reasonably...
no
molten oasis
Easy for the opponent to click tw+ something to explode moon
autumn vault
Is there really a major use case for Zekrom that something else can’t reasonably...
Dragon dance
mighty stump
Is there really a major use case for Zekrom that something else can’t reasonably...
Raging Bolt gets priority in Thunderclap + Snarl access, with Restricted level of bulk and doesn't take up key items with easy access to Proto boosts
Miraidon despite being not as overwhelming as previously thought, denies sleep, has one shot potential without setup, and enables an entire archetype
autumn vault
Dragon dance
Dragon dance can be really lethal if set up right
molten oasis
Raging bolt good
timber falcon
Dragon dance can be really lethal if set up right
thats for almost any mon
mighty stump
Dragon dance can be really lethal if set up right
and a gun is lethal when loaded
molten oasis
And a knife is lethal when close
mighty stump
Dragon Dance isn't even a signature move
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
lethal zinc
Raging Bolt gets priority in Thunderclap + Snarl access, with Restricted level o...
That’s what I wondered. Then outside of favoritism, for most people it doesn’t seem worth it to slot in unless you’re going for DD shenanigans which may or may not pay off.
bold geode
And these hands don't judge
mighty stump
85% accuracy when Fusion Bolt also exists
autumn vault
Also it gets breaking swipe
molten oasis
Yuh
molten oasis
They’d better
autumn vault
True
autumn vault
Zekrom has insane nuking potential with tera + 150 attack + dragon dance
It also does not rely on terrain
mighty stump
You act like he's the only thing with 150 in offensive stat + Tera
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/24d065651864c51d if anyone was curious
Miraidon still does good damage without e-terrain
mighty stump
You kno wwho else can Tera, has a 150 attacking stat + dragon dance? Rayquaza
molten oasis
Kyurem black can do it with 170 att
timber falcon
molten oasis
Eww calyrex
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576
Eww
timber falcon
its only eww cause its good
molten oasis
It’s cuz it’s broken
autumn vault
Kyurem black can do it with 170 att
And get less reliable ice stab and worse typing? Hell no
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576
Eww
timber falcon
broken is the wrong term
mighty stump
And get less reliable ice stab and worse typing? Hell no
"less reliable ice stab" wat
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576
molten oasis
ok true but it’s still borderline broken
mighty stump
Ice is a premium offensive typing
autumn vault
I know tera ice blast is a thing
timber falcon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
autumn vault
Remember kyurem physically only gets Freeze shock and icicle spear
mighty stump
"I have to change my type to get STAB coverage on a move that isn't naturally coverage"
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
mighty stump
Remember kyurem physically only gets Freeze shock and icicle spear
Baxcalibur running Icicle Spear for the last few times
bold geode
"But Tofu, me wanna"
molten oasis
Am I missing something does it not get spinner or crash?
autumn vault
Kyurem B does get snowballin potential
mighty stump
See the thing shuold be "Zekrom is my favourite Pokemon and I just wanna use it but I know it's not as relevant as Miraidon/Raging Bolt"
Not "its a good counter to these mons and can do so much things others cant"
bold geode
Wait Zekrom nah
autumn vault
Not "its a good counter to these mons and can do so much things others cant"
I was only mentionin traits
Traits can be on other pokemon too, and the same exact ones
mighty stump
Do you need me to pull up reciepts
bold geode
It'd be nice if Zekrom was good, but it outclassed I'm sorry
molten oasis
Miraidon go brr
bold geode
That's big favoritism
autumn vault
It is
molten oasis
Id love to say zacian is the best restricted, I literally can’t lmao
It’s caly and it’s not really close
bold geode
Miraidon go brr
Until I pull it's ass out the bike lane and beat it within an inch of its sandwich eating life
Fuck bike lizard
mighty stump
molten oasis
Lmfao
autumn vault
Miraidon go brr
Until i pull up with AV rillaboom with HH
timber falcon
pulled out the chat logs no way
molten oasis
lemme have my fun
bold geode
High Horsepower on Rillaboom fuckin BLOWS
autumn vault
Redirection and ddance specifically
molten oasis
Ok true, I prefer u-turn or even knock off
autumn vault
No other way to operate like that
mighty stump
*lemme have my fun*
I just dislike disingenious opinions
molten oasis
Oh btw monke, if you hard switch rilla a lot knock off good
bold geode
bold geode
Oh btw monke, if you hard switch rilla a lot knock off good
Oh
molten oasis
I said miraidon go brr then got told ways to beat it
bold geode
I do do that a lot
molten oasis
Hard switch?
bold geode
Sí
autumn vault
I can tell you shit post a lot
chrome knot
@mighty stump ok im back on psyspam
bold geode
I can tell you shit post a lot
Yes
Yes I do
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> ok im back on psyspam
Also fair
chrome knot
ice horse is crazy nuts
molten oasis
Indeed
mighty stump
ice horse is crazy nuts
Yotam hit 1st in Bo3 SD with Caly-Ice
autumn vault
Anyways back to giving more favouritism to the black dragon
bold geode
Drago knows how much I shitpost
mighty stump
I have his paste 😎
chrome knot
ouh
molten oasis
Mhmm
chrome knot
is it farig incin amoonguss core or somethin else?
molten oasis
To monke not to Yotam thing I had no clue about that
mighty stump
It's definitely Incin/Amoonguss cause its Yotam
chrome knot
well yeah
mighty stump
But no Farig
molten oasis
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2098195034 Also an example of my Zekrom murdering miraidon (not all matches it happens but more or less)
molten oasis
Prob just gonna keep playin Zac, idk if I like groudon that much
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2098195034 Also an example of...
thry did not in fact play that miraidon well at ALL
molten oasis
Or go play the bike
autumn vault
I have more plays if you want me to show
timber falcon
show em
bold geode
Or go play the bike
Imma make you veer out the lane Drago
molten oasis
Why do you have miraidon?
craggy dagger
timber falcon
its not a "counter" though zekrom cant function as a direct counter, it needs to tera
bold geode
<:MimiLove:669500450671951903>
Hai
craggy dagger
Hello~
timber falcon
heloooooo
solid frigate
hoi
autumn vault
Hello
craggy dagger
bold geode
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen94v4doublesdraft-2089558263?p2 another one
Why are y'all
molten oasis
@mighty stump so, what do you do with miraidon?
bold geode
Go Calm Mind set
molten oasis
I’m thinking about running Hearthflame or maybe even gapdos to beat rillaboom/incin shit
autumn vault
terastialised once again
D-claw also ohkos without tera
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> so, what do you do with miraidon?
Choice, CM, AV
molten oasis
Hearth would mostly be for rilla
Ok
Would cm just be a thing to do when I’m not dealing with terrain control?
autumn vault
terastialised once again
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093511068 you can guess what the miraidon did in this match
timber falcon
D-claw also ohkos without tera
they played bad, idk ehy peoplw are leaving their miraidons in the open like that
ting lu was right there
autumn vault
they played bad, idk ehy peoplw are leaving their miraidons in the open like tha...
It is low elo after all, there will be misplays
bold geode
I think Calm Mind Miraidon can just go crazy, but yeah prolly
molten oasis
hmm, I do like my set up special attackers
bold geode
Anyways
Zama/Incin/Wellspring/AV Bolt/Lando/Pao
Gonna try that variation
And do Ice Spinner Pao
timber falcon
terastialised again
molten oasis
So, calm mind lefties probabky?
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093511068 you can guess what...
using fairy tera every game isnt a proper counter
autumn vault
using fairy tera every game isnt a proper counter
Dragon claw
timber falcon
what about claw
autumn vault
BS has 253.5 bp in E-Terrain
molten oasis
Then drift cm protect and, gleam or pulse
autumn vault
BS bolt strike
timber falcon
wait dang min
molten oasis
Maybe cloak actually
timber falcon
BS bolt strike
ur regular speed zekrom outsped the mirai
molten oasis
Then I dodge fo and don’t have to worry about snarl
autumn vault
ur regular speed zekrom outsped the mirai
With ddance you only need 220 speed evs to outspeed it
After ddance
timber falcon
nvm i saw that wrong, they IGNORED the zekrom
molten oasis
What mons do you run with miraidon, that aren’t bundle
Bundle ruins my life too much
When I use it
timber falcon
nvm i saw that wrong, they IGNORED the zekrom
these are misplays not counters
autumn vault
nvm i saw that wrong, they IGNORED the zekrom
You learned a lesson, dont ignore restricted legends
timber falcon
dont ignore and electric type in eterrain anyway
solid frigate
What mons do you run with miraidon, that aren’t bundle
i saw someone used Valiant as a Speedy Support
autumn vault
Considering tera fire on zekrom to block burns and to resist d gleam
molten oasis
autumn vault
My team also has a good MU into Groudon
solid frigate
ig, wide guard support
i have the replay of That Valiant i think
molten oasis
thah bulk is awful
molten oasis
Oh, jugulis
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2105413929?p2
Me to miraidon/calyrex teams:
solid frigate
Oh, jugulis
Dark Pulse,Hurricane Tailwind,Protect/Snarl?
WHY IS MY TOWN HAILING RN
autumn vault
WHY IS MY TOWN HAILING RN
It is spring, that is odd
timber falcon
https://tenor.com/view/spectrier-pokemon-gif-17418000335556934093
they approach ur location
autumn vault
https://tenor.com/view/spectrier-pokemon-gif-17418000335556934093
Honse alert
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/spectrier-pokemon-gif-17418000335556934093
well shi-
timber falcon
It is spring, that is odd
its hailed for the past 2 days where i am
molten oasis
k, i need something to handle caly ice
autumn vault
k, i need something to handle caly ice
27 speed iv amoonguss outspeeds it in tr, just saying
solid frigate
Honse alert
molten oasis
what am i playing
autumn vault
The cooler honse:
molten oasis
like, amoonguss doesnt work with an eterrain setter
timber falcon
like, amoonguss doesnt work with an eterrain setter
miraidon team?
molten oasis
@mighty stump sorry about the ping, what do you add to a mirai team to handle caly ice?
molten oasis
miraidon team?
yes
timber falcon
<@250386799363489808> sorry about the ping, what do you add to a mirai team to h...
i mean, u can check his blog
molten oasis
idk if he said anything about handling caly ice but ok
autumn vault
like, amoonguss doesnt work with an eterrain setter
Then maybe wisp incin
molten oasis
hmm
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> sorry about the ping, what do you add to a mirai team to h...
Incin, anti-TR, Dittos
molten oasis
ah
bold geode
Wisp Incin with Sitrus
What you clearing for Wisp
mighty stump
What you clearing for Wisp
FO/Flare Blitz/Parting is pretty staple unless you don't care about Parting Shot anymore
timber falcon
which tatsugiri boosts attack?
molten oasis
im gonna run covert jugulis, taunt the fari teams
bold geode
While I kinda hard switch on Incin, having the option of Parting on Incin as the option to stick in and switch out I feel is more beneficial
Not so much on Rilla now cuz I always
molten oasis
i have mirai incin and jugulis rn
autumn vault
im gonna run covert jugulis, taunt the fari teams
Redirection? Double tr setters? Not a bad answer tbh
willow vault
i have mirai incin and jugulis rn
Probably want a fairy resist
timber falcon
i have mirai incin and jugulis rn
why jugulis
timber falcon
ok just making sure there are reasons
also yeah its about time u get a fairy resist
timber falcon
i say we use specs flutter for example of what u wanna stop from getting to u
ok so its harder to find good fairy resistances than i thought
timber falcon
yeah it is hard when u have 2 fairy weaknesses
gholdengo would only give 3x ground weakness
btw any sets for dozo?
willow vault
When you use regular moltres to give a ground immunity and fairy resist
willow vault
btw any sets for dozo?
For reg g?
timber falcon
mhm i think it can still work
willow vault
Um Welp the set I have is a lot worse this reg
molten oasis
btw any sets for dozo?
mighty stump
Btw Miraidon doesn't necessarily have to play with Quark Drive users
molten oasis
im just going jugulis atm
molten oasis
was considring bundle but bundle likes to ruin my life and rng is not my friend
timber falcon
i thought miraidon was like a god for quark drive mons so it was mandatory.............
willow vault
was considring bundle but bundle likes to ruin my life and rng is not my friend
You do have awful rng in fairness
mighty stump
i thought miraidon was like a god for quark drive mons so it was mandatory.........
U got synergy baited
timber falcon
U got synergy baited
didnt even know this was a term
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.27.0
willow vault
idk what to add
No logic behind the pick but ditto
mighty stump
Gholdengo can also work
molten oasis
gholdengoat 👀
willow vault
Some form of redirection would be good
solid frigate
heh Funni Sushi
timber falcon
btw what does tatsugiri run if not scarf
molten oasis
sash
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
i think in the last spot i just need something to do good damage, preferable something for groudon
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/fdc7f3c2878c5358 trying out the old 2-2-2
timber falcon
i think in the last spot i just need something to do good damage, preferable som...
so a grass/ice type?
solid frigate
i think in the last spot i just need something to do good damage, preferable som...
Rilla?
timber falcon
miraidon is there
molten oasis
i have miraidon no
solid frigate
wait which special grass type is popular?
molten oasis
none
solid frigate
well shi
molten oasis
sini is the only one and i wouldn't use it here
solid frigate
i was gonna say Alola 9tales but idk
solid frigate
ground type
yeah ice does stuff to ground and you can make them force Tera
molten oasis
https://pokebin.com/bdc23fc325638521 @mighty stump sorry again, what do i put on the last spot, i want something that handles groudon or at least helps that mu for me
pre and post tera
mighty stump
If you run Pelipper you can run Hurricane Jugulis