competitive_discussion

[atomic mural]

shh

I didnt get to it

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[cyan smelt]

Sad that nobody is using hydrapple

[timber falcon]

Cause it’s apparently bad rn

Drago gave up on it

[dry basin]

I’ve always wanted to try competitive but I always feel overwhelmed on where to start building a team 😩 there’s so much to think about

[timber falcon]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

Those should help u get stated

[dry basin]

Thank you so much this is great!!

[timber falcon]

Checked pinned comments, they could help btw

[torn parrot]

start simple something easy in my opinion

simplify it down to something you can comprihend

[molten oasis]

Hey

I never said that

[timber falcon]

Didn’t you?

You said there’s no point as it’s bad into the meta

[molten oasis]

I can’t use it in early meta when nothing has formed

Yea it’s especially terrible rn

[timber falcon]

iicr

[molten oasis]

Once the meta forms

Maybe I’ll try to get it working

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

[molten oasis]

But it’ll just be content

I wouldn’t take it to a tournament for example

[timber falcon]

Makes sense

[dry basin]

I’ll probably have to get my ass kicked a few times to learn what I’m doing but that’s ok hahaha

[cyan smelt]

I'm still getting my ass kicked and I've been playing since late swsh

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2104335732 rebuilding the zama team

After that game I think I need a better kyogre answer

I’m considering bolt

[foggy lodge]

Study the meta

I think that's the point to start

[timber falcon]

And yes I’m testing Incin with no flare blitz

[foggy lodge]

Knowing what is played, what is not played, why this Pokémon are used like this and not like this

[foggy lodge]

That can perfectly work

Some people drop flare blitz for things like will-o wisp

[timber falcon]

I did it for taunt

[foggy lodge]

Hmmmm

[timber falcon]

Knock is really valuable

[foggy lodge]

Maybe

I think taunt is more valuable for a fast Pokémon

Even Urshifu sometimes run taunt because it's fast

[timber falcon]

I just need it for amoongus

And maybe other mons that I feel like taunting

https://pokepast.es/12a6e8ffbc3ce927

This Incin has been carrying my tr leads

[foggy lodge]

Who is the 6th Pokémon?

[mighty stump]

Yoohoo

Guess what kiddos

[timber falcon]

Lmfao

[mighty stump]

Neil got booted out of the VGC community

[tulip field]

[timber falcon]

You mean like excommunication?

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/neil_vgc/status/1780033789244117184?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Neil (@Neil_VGC) on X

I’m going to keep it short. I deserve no place in this community for what I’ve done & said. I am leaving YouTube and Pokémon.

I’m 21, I have a long life ahead of me. I don’t belong in this community, but I will do everything to take care of myself and ensure a good future.

Twitter · Apr 16, 2024, 12:41 AM

[timber falcon]

Oh so he quit

[foggy lodge]

What happened specifically?

[timber falcon]

Something about insult and women’s tournament I think

[mighty stump]

Basically

Previously it was revealed Neil had:

• Posed as a minor and a woman to play in women’s only league
• Posed as a minor and a woman to catfish and solicit inappropriate pictures

And its also recently come to light he’s anti-trans

[timber falcon]

Oh

[mighty stump]

Believing it to be mental illness, according to the screenshot

So the natural reaction of any twitter community to dogpile it to hell

[molten oasis]

Twitter loves shit like that

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah Drago I made a new team

Based on how the last one went

https://pokepast.es/3cf4754195dd7c44

Bolt is nice

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[next stump]

damn lol Neil’s world just flipped upside down in 2 days

one misplay away from winning a regional

now booted from the scene

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh

Shit, that's bad

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[cyan smelt]

Oof can't believe I watched some of his videos

[foggy lodge]

Let's hope he becomes a better person atleast

[foggy lodge]

I liked his videos

[timber falcon]

“Why kyogre is bad in reg G” 😭

[foggy lodge]

I never thought he was like that, i thought he was just chill

[cyan smelt]

Kyogre still good

[molten oasis]

I stopped taking him seriously after the curse goodra thing in reg d (I’m serious)

[cyan smelt]

What's that

[foggy lodge]

It has a good core already

Kyogre-Archaludon-Sinistcha

[molten oasis]

The concept was you curse with hoodra then Tera ghost and click it again

[foggy lodge]

Really solid core

[cyan smelt]

That sounds dumb

[timber falcon]

Lol what?

[molten oasis]

cuz it is

Then later on I heard about the things he’s done and just, yea

[timber falcon]

So basically sacrifice goodra for no good reason

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[foggy lodge]

And why that over something like

Iron defense body press?

[timber falcon]

Just run gambit ape if u want a sac tbh

[dapper crag]

Move: Curse

If the user is not a Ghost type, lowers the user's Speed by 1 stage and raises the user's Attack and Defense by 1 stage. If the user is a Ghost type, the user loses 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded down and even if it would cause fainting, in exchange for the target losing 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded down, at the end of each turn while it is active. If the target uses Baton Pass, the replacement will continue to be affected. Fails if there is no target or if the target is already affected.

Type

Ghost

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Idk

[mighty stump]

The downfall was rapid

[foggy lodge]

I got into the MK8 addiction again wtf

[kindred cypress]

Origin Dialga, does it have a chance in this upcoming meta?

[rustic mountain]

have a chance as what? like something u can win with on ladder sometimes? sure

[mighty stump]

Daycare helper ew

[cyan smelt]

Did tree finish the DLC

[rustic mountain]

no

[rustic mountain]

tofu ew

[craggy dagger]

Wait Tofu retired????

HOW DID I MISS IT

[rustic mountain]

[timber falcon]

Lul, it was cause of bad takes

[craggy dagger]

ㅠㅠ

[fluid fiber]

My brother wanted some teambuilding advice - how does this look? https://pokepast.es/9804bbec2c263c31

[kindred cypress]

Against ice caly for tr, and shadow miridion and Zac and groudon in battles

[molten oasis]

Tofu heard too many hot takes

[craggy dagger]

ah

makes sense

[rustic mountain]

i think unfortunately it just gets outclassed by those mons

koraidon too and terapagos

lunala

kyogre

[craggy dagger]

eh?

[craggy dagger]

yes but no i think

dragon steel is a good typing

[rustic mountain]

no move entei is an interesting tech

[kindred cypress]

I feel like I need a good tr sweeper

In order to keep him up

[craggy dagger]

can always go hat psyspam

[rustic mountain]

whose gna tell em

[craggy dagger]

set up TR next to dee, or maybe lead hat dialga

i haven’t touched vgc in a while so i’m still living in the early reg F era

[bold geode]

Hello

[craggy dagger]

yo

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

yea reg g power level is gna b different, hatt indeedee prolly not the move

[craggy dagger]

yeah

i need to go catch up

[kindred cypress]

Terrain wars

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/85a3a849d4bdc956
this was my latest team…

[rustic mountain]

i mean reg g isnt really that developed yet its only been a cppl weeks so shouldnt be too much to catch up on, reg f however has changed quite a bit

[craggy dagger]

from like-
a month ago?

[fluid fiber]

Oh lmao it broke - it's E speed, Sacred Fire, Snarl, and Stomping Tantrum

[rustic mountain]

id say they should hit ladder and see how it feels, team seems kinda weird off rip to me tho. some are good mons and offer good utility but all of em together idk on

[fluid fiber]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

like gastro jus feels like it should be ogerpon

idk how great whims is helping, there isnt amazing options to take advantage of tailwind

if they r still learning id say to try nd find a team to pick up on, experience is the best teacher for teambuilding and how u make ur decisions but u gta actually play and win to understand what works and why

[fluid fiber]

That's very good advice that I'll pass along, ty

I'm almost done building my team in game

I'm so stoked

[rustic mountain]

yea np

nice, for reg f or g?

[fluid fiber]

Both, building my reg f team as the same for reg g minus Terapagos and subbing Raging Bolt calm mind

[rustic mountain]

ahhh gotcha lol

[molten oasis]

Oh, if anyone wasn’t aware I’m playing again

That also knew about my break

[kindred cypress]

Is terapagos gonna be a problem, he seems pretty beatable?

[rustic mountain]

its good but its not a problem, its beatable

it can become a problem if u let it tho haha

[molten oasis]

It takes time to get it going

[rustic mountain]

yea

usually its breaking its version of multiscale and overwhelming it with damage. also pretty easy to call a lot of players cycling their redirection/fake out in and out

[molten oasis]

Ye

That or you run ghost types to try and prevent fo’s to keep momentum going

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

Or set up a sweeper

Yiu can overwhelm it with set up/fighting attacks

[rustic mountain]

i have csr, chi yu ghost and psychic terrain via indeedee so for me its usually not an issue

[molten oasis]

Yea

I just get zacian going and click behemoth blade, next to shifu

[rustic mountain]

ive run into a cppl players that outplayed me tho nd won w/ it

[molten oasis]

Yea

Tofus getting really good with it

Supposedly

[rustic mountain]

yea its a core i def wanna pick up on, feel like playing cm bolt i have an idea on how to use it its just utilizing its ability and form changes in battle and wat not

[molten oasis]

I’m just gonna stuck with good ol sword dog

[rustic mountain]

tofu i think has been power herb calm mind set which is interesting

[charred saddle]

snarl is very good rn i feel like

[rustic mountain]

zacians cool i jus was getting tired of 10+ turn games

ho in early meta is usually

[charred saddle]

knock off too,
and foul play is useable again against certain restricteds

[rustic mountain]

snarl is great

[charred saddle]

3dark moves

[rustic mountain]

dark is a great typing

[charred saddle]

yeah

[rustic mountain]

gna b quite a few good dark types in reg g

[molten oasis]

You were getting 10+ turn games with Zac?

[rustic mountain]

pretty consistently yea

u dont really win games fast w/ balance unless ur opponent doesnt really know wat they r doing

[molten oasis]

You like fast games?

[rustic mountain]

sometimes yea

especially in an unestablished early format

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

Ik just generally a balance player

Mostly set up, which zacian does best

[rustic mountain]

i usually am more balance based but cant lie and say i dont like some ho every now and then lol

[molten oasis]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

csr is also just broken, the difference in snowballing b/w it and zacian is wild

[molten oasis]

yea, still not touching it

This is just funny, not directed towards you but you mentioning caly reminded me of it

[rustic mountain]

some matchups are annoying tho, i felt i had more outplay/versatility w/ the zacian balance. ho csr if u get caught out usually is just an L

[molten oasis]

That’s what I don’t like about HO

[rustic mountain]

yea its one of its downfalls

[molten oasis]

your leads and target prioritization matter so much

Like, more than usual

[rustic mountain]

well yea the margin for error is a lot smaller

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

With balance I can make, some mistakes and usually be ok

As in 1 maybe 2 lol

[rustic mountain]

yea thats one of the benefits of balance

ill switch back eventually

prolly csr balance

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

csr and balance just doesnt go together no

[molten oasis]

It’s 100/80/100

[charred saddle]

screens?

[molten oasis]

It can do set up in balance

[charred saddle]

i mean like the way it wants to play

[molten oasis]

Or just, clean up in the back

[rustic mountain]

haha i mean there was some csr balance stuff in series 10 in swsh w/o dmax. stuff like sub and nasty plot w/ fake out and intimidate support

follow me

[charred saddle]

thats ass

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[charred saddle]

i mean as in to play against that

[molten oasis]

That’s the point

[charred saddle]

like u expected them to ho uk and then it suddenly sub

"fuck"

[rustic mountain]

i feel that, usually if ur not boosted ur cool w/ switching out and if u are, u either should be able to or are in a board state to just clean up at that point. and sometimes u will just have to switch and give up the boosts

[charred saddle]

csr incin

dursh something something

cant even sucker that and so double protect, and then get hit by a fucking sub

[rustic mountain]

but stuff like rilla/incin even clefairy can help protect it long enough to do wat it needs to. also stuff like urshi to threaten its counters

[charred saddle]

oh ye ye definitely

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen Grimm/caly teams floating around

[rustic mountain]

not unbeatable might not even wind up good

but i think it should be jus off it being csr and good mons

jus screens grimm?

[molten oasis]

Yea

With parting shot

[rustic mountain]

yea idk i like it for terapagos cuz its ability and wat not but idk for csr

[molten oasis]

its just what ive sen

[timber falcon]

What’s csr

[molten oasis]

calyrex

shadow rider

[timber falcon]

Ohhh ok I thought it was the salad and got really confused

[molten oasis]

lmao

man i love pairing my salad with rilla and incin

[timber falcon]

Lmao it does sound like “ceaser” when saying it though

[molten oasis]

yuh

[warped mason]

How do u guys feel about jugulis on a miraidon team

[foggy lodge]

It would be good

Only if the mf could touch the electric terrain

[warped mason]

You only gain sleep immunity don't u?

[foggy lodge]

WAIT IT STILL ACTIVATES QUARK DRIVE

Only bad thing is that you don't have the anti-sleep because is flying

But that's huge

[molten oasis]

womp womp

[foggy lodge]

No longer forced to hold booster energy

[molten oasis]

i think we're finding iron bundle kind of a fraud lol, i dont see it very much, even on mirai teams

[foggy lodge]

Nobody likes Iron Bundle

[molten oasis]

hydro miss kek

[foggy lodge]

It's not even consistent

[cyan smelt]

Iron bungle

[molten oasis]

iron bi-

[foggy lodge]

His most consistent move is freeze-dry

[cyan smelt]

Volt switch from miraidon hits hard

[foggy lodge]

And has basically no good water type move and no coverage

[molten oasis]

it hits hard enough half the time id just prefer scarf lol

or jugulis for tw

[foggy lodge]

Jugulis is good man

[cyan smelt]

Petition to give iron bundle scald

[foggy lodge]

Nobody thinks about Iron Jugulis in teambuilding

[molten oasis]

it wouldn't make a whole bunch of sense tbh

its an ice guy, how;s he supposed to build up the heat

[foggy lodge]

But somehow in every regional there's atleast like one or two iron Jugulis teams that get results

[molten oasis]

oh no i think jugulis is gonna be p solid

i like fast snarl, tailwind, even fast taunt

[warped mason]

I think fast tailwind + snarl is nice

[cyan smelt]

Why is fire blast 85% accuracy and chance of burn but hydro pump is 80% accurate

[foggy lodge]

Jugulis won the seniors in EUIC right?

[molten oasis]

i think so

[warped mason]

Oh jugulis won something?

I remember when people were calling it a worse hydreigon

[molten oasis]

well, being so weak to fairy sucks

[warped mason]

Me myself guilty

[foggy lodge]

I meam

It is, but now i feel like they are completely different Pokémon

Very different roles

[warped mason]

Alot of potentially good mons ruined by their typing

[molten oasis]

cough roaring mid

although i did try it its not too bad

[foggy lodge]

Haters said he couldn't do it

[molten oasis]

on sun

[foggy lodge]

And they were right, great call from the haters

[molten oasis]

what that roaring moon is roaring MID

[cyan smelt]

So many of the scarlet paradoxes are weak to fairy

[warped mason]

Koraidon being x4 weak to flutter, and giving flutter sun is heartbreaking

[molten oasis]

and the best one isnt, cuz it is a fairy

[foggy lodge]

The minor spelling mistake ruines the joke i'm gonna kms

[foggy lodge]

You can tera and is not that bad

Koraidon has things

[molten oasis]

tera fire flare blitz go brr

[warped mason]

Having a tera sink isn't great

[molten oasis]

ok but like

[warped mason]

Like why use it over groudon

[molten oasis]

your restricted is usually gonna be your tera sink anyway

[foggy lodge]

Yeah is tera dependant, but being a restricted, i feel like is not that bad using your tera on it

[molten oasis]

it (generally) hits harder

[cyan smelt]

Being able to ohko incin is nice

[molten oasis]

groudon cant

[warped mason]

Right but u don't need tera groudon

[molten oasis]

infront of grass you do

or pao

[warped mason]

Not when u have tera fire walking wake next to it

[foggy lodge]

Many resticted aren't forced to tera and other are tera dependants

Like Terapagos

But i still feel like being tera dependant in this regulation is not a bad thing

[molten oasis]

caly s is usually your tera hog

[warped mason]

Its just pretty bad having to tera every single time infront of the most popular pokemon on ladder

[molten oasis]

and it pays of

[foggy lodge]

Maybe being tera dependant in a reg H with two restricteds is

But as your only restricted is not as bad as it seems

[molten oasis]

ok well thats where playing better comes in

you can still reposition

[warped mason]

I've had plenty of games where I didn't need to tera with groudon. I usually tera with walking wake.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

And be careful about the teras

[molten oasis]

i have ghost zac rn, but i dont necesarilly have to go click tera infront of fo pressure

[foggy lodge]

Atleast i'm not a big fan of using teras in turn 1

[warped mason]

Yea flutter mane forcing a switch isn't great either

[molten oasis]

timing is key

[cyan smelt]

Where's that meme about talonflame being good on rain and wake being good on sun

[foggy lodge]

It's not that bad

[molten oasis]

talon is good on rain wut?

[foggy lodge]

You have things to do

[cyan smelt]

Hurricane lol

[foggy lodge]

Switch, protect, tera

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 663: Talonflame

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Flame Body, Gale Wings (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/81/71/74/69/126

Total

499

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

...

[warped mason]

I'm not saying koraidon is bad, but it could have been so much better

[molten oasis]

thats gonna hit SOOO hard

[warped mason]

Why did they make flutter speed tie with it

[cyan smelt]

It was a meme not serious

[molten oasis]

ik just teasing

anyway

[warped mason]

Oh and how are u guys feeling about iron leaves on miraidon

[molten oasis]

ass

[foggy lodge]

Shit

[warped mason]

I've been seeing it on limitless vgc tourneys

[molten oasis]

iron leaves is actually garbage and its not even funny

[warped mason]

Lol fair enough

[molten oasis]

lol

[foggy lodge]

From the trio of paradox swords of justice

[molten oasis]

guessing its a smogon joke

[foggy lodge]

Iron Boulder and Iron Crown seem fine

Iron Leaves is the only bad one

[molten oasis]

you use crown on psyspam

[foggy lodge]

Crown for psyspam teams

[molten oasis]

and iron boulder is severely held back by its typing

[warped mason]

People use talonflame in rain?

Whats the benefit over torn

[molten oasis]

idk

[foggy lodge]

It's a bad typing but it could be worse

[molten oasis]

not, not really

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1010: Iron Leaves

Types

Grass/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/130/88/70/108/104

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

rock psychic is awful

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1022: Iron Boulder

Types

Rock/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/80/68/108/124

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

like its fast sure

[warped mason]

Iron crown indeedee with regidrago still is digusting.

[molten oasis]

i think it just struggles to get anything done with it being such a tera hog

[torn parrot]

im rank 87

[cyan smelt]

Pog

[torn parrot]

thank u

[molten oasis]

congrats

[warped mason]

This dude got top 4 in a 77 man tourney. Kinda wanna try this ngl.

No voltswitch is kinda weird tho

[torn parrot]

i knew that iron leaves was cookable

[molten oasis]

i dont really think it has what it takes but whatever

[cyan smelt]

People just hate on it because of its typing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1010: Iron Leaves

Types

Grass/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/130/88/70/108/104

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

its speed is pretty average

along with having, decent bulk ig

that is yk, ruined by having one of the worst typing ever

along with its ability being "worse" than the scarlet guys

[dapper crag]

Iron Leaves's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Brick Break, Close Combat, Double-Edge, Facade, False Swipe, Giga Impact, Leaf Blade, Megahorn, Night Slash, Psyblade, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Sacred Sword, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Wild Charge, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Slash, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Calm Mind, Coaching, Electric Terrain, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leer, Metal Sound, Protect, Psychic Terrain, Quash, Quick Guard, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Leaves.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

ig you get what you need for moves

idt its worth in the long run

and no its not because of JUST its typing theres better grass types in the format

and just, offensive mons in general

[cyan smelt]

Psyblade in electric terrain goes hard for anything unresisted

[molten oasis]

incin food

[dapper crag]

Grass, Psychic

Hits for 0.5x

Steel

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Fighting, Ground, Poison, Rock, Water

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

dengo and zac dont care

single strike wipes it

chi yu doesnt care

i could go on

[fluid fiber]

What's the best Sableye EV spread? I've been running 252 Hp 252 SpD but unsure

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2104480473 insane game

[timber falcon]

Turn 8

Should’ve been zac in

Great win

He shouldn’t have let shifu die there though

[molten oasis]

if he killed my incin i lost

and yea that was the turn that mattered for sure

idt he expected glide on hearth tho tbh

whihc is odd considering they are usually glide rn

with rilla next to it

13/4 rn with the team

rn im mostly losing to the sun mu, i get overwhelmed really easily

[cyan smelt]

Close game

[molten oasis]

I think tbf

Zacian wasnt eating 2 grassy glides

It was at 24%

So it was kinda hard to switch it in safely

[molten oasis]

yea both glides kill both of those spots

76 Atk Hearthflame Mask Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Grassy Glide vs. null HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned in Grassy Terrain: 27-33 (16.1 - 19.7%) -- possible 7HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
172+ Atk Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. null HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned in Grassy Terrain: 27-33 (16.1 - 19.7%) -- possible 7HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[knotty mirage]

Can i get opinion on this team just want to prepare for next reg ?
https://pokepast.es/27cb2325d772a1b3

[cyan smelt]

I'm really struggling with reg g

[patent marsh]

I'm innocent

[cyan smelt]

I'm just gonna give up and use caly s and chi yu because the learning curve isn't as steep

[patent marsh]

Real

[knotty mirage]

Probably for the best the reg G meta probably just gonna center around countering caly s

[cyan smelt]

thoughts on rapid spin terapagos

[willow vault]

Why, you lose quite a lot of utility by doing so

[cyan smelt]

idk i just saw it

[autumn vault]

Even rock Polish is better for it then rapid spin

[patent marsh]

people run what on terapagos besides calm mind, protect, terastarstorm things and meteor beam was it?

[autumn vault]

Depends

It can be one or the other, or both

[patent marsh]

but generally speaking it's mostly the first 3 and coverage move ye

[willow vault]

Mostly

[solid frigate]

run Earth Power or Thunderbolt

[cyan smelt]

I've seen flamethrower and also smeargle with vacuum wave and weakness policy on terapagos

[solid frigate]

they can work but calm mind can also increase bulk

[cyan smelt]

I'm tired of bo1

[solid frigate]

also Clear amulet

[cyan smelt]

I'm not good at this vgc stuff

[solid frigate]

we all start in somewhere

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but I feel like I'm getting worse the more I play

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/f8f252239be3e3fe Opinions?

Man this chat feels so empty

[solid frigate]

its the same for me,but i would try new ways to be better

[solid frigate]

could work,Ttar is a weak link but it can work on the sun as well with Gouging and rain with Ogerpon

[autumn vault]

It has protect to scout any moves that beat it

And to waste those attacks and let the partner contribute

[solid frigate]

how is the results on it

[autumn vault]

I haven't started testing but i will soon

Just busy with testing Zekrom

[solid frigate]

try test it to get a good grasp on piloting your team

[autumn vault]

I know that

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna make some notes on Terapagos

I'll see ya in a bit

[autumn vault]

I will just create an alt called Lyco and Tyranitar

[autumn vault]

See ya Torrent

[cyan smelt]

I hate miraidon and terapagos and calys

[solid frigate]

why the turtl ;-;

[cyan smelt]

It's annoying

And you never know what Moveset it's running

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2104662098-9x39h3skj6izw9568d0l89frambd08npw WTF was this team

Created 2 alts: Lyco Tyranitar and Lyco Zekrom

[solid frigate]

Wooper

[autumn vault]

You see why i said WTF was this team

[solid frigate]

also EB Miraidon??

[autumn vault]

Another reason why i said WTF

[solid frigate]

WHY DID HE NOT POLLEN PUFF MIRAI-

[autumn vault]

Even you think they played like shit

[solid frigate]

i am over confused

[autumn vault]

So am i

So close, also i tera'd Zekrom

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2104677731 A stall match against a Zacian player

[autumn vault]

I love this man, i relate a lot because i get bullied by a lot of ice horses

[mighty stump]

Tera Starstorm + Earth Power 90% of the time with CM

[timber falcon]

What’s lyco

[timber falcon]

Does amoongus not have rage powder?

[timber falcon]

Mhm most will be this, but if you’re unlucky u may face smth like specs in cts

[mighty stump]

if its specs thats easy lol

[timber falcon]

Yeah but it can cause a bad read, like maybe u expect calm mind so play smth else

[timber dome]

hi

[mighty stump]

That's poor logic though, Tera Starstorm isnt gonna be a oneshotting machine like a lot of specs users

Plus wideguard wall potential

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s what I did

[mighty stump]

If they don't set Calm Mind thats already red flag number 1

[timber falcon]

Yeah I guess I’m overthinking it

I tend to do that a lot

[timber dome]

what terapagos set do you recomend i use ?

[mighty stump]

You're considering too much fluff

Make the assumption until proven otherwise

[timber falcon]

So when prepping coverage, do I prepare for common teras?

Like fire tera Groudon

Or is that too much

[mighty stump]

Assume

[timber falcon]

Either calm mind, startstorm, prot, meteor beam OR calm mind, prot, earth power, startstorm

The 2nd set is most common

[timber falcon]

Ok so it’s worth accounting the fact that they are gonna do that

[mighty stump]

Its called Common for a reason

[timber falcon]

Ik I just wanted to make sure I’m not overthinking again

[autumn vault]

Lyco = Lycopoky

[timber falcon]

Of u thought it was the Pokémon for a sec

[autumn vault]

Pretty simple if you ask me

[timber falcon]

Cause I have seen ttar, lycanrock b4

[autumn vault]

It does have it

It literally uses it in that battle

[timber falcon]

U did make some risky plays then, I’d have rage powdered when the chance of waking up was slim (against bolt and zac)

[autumn vault]

I was gambling a lot with sleep

[timber falcon]

Yeah I noticed that

[autumn vault]

I mean the game lasted more than 10 turns due to sleep gambling

And no i don't gamble irl

[timber falcon]

I mean I can’t lie I always assume it’s gone be 3 turns of sleep lul

And get surprised when they wake up

[autumn vault]

Seriously though that turn 6 play was pretty good

And i did spore the bolt at turn 7 just in case of waking up

[timber falcon]

Yeah it was very nice

Was it it’s guaranteed wake up?

[autumn vault]

Turn 7?

[timber falcon]

6

[bold geode]

Am I really at such a low point rn that I'm sitting here thinking about Gastrodon

[mighty stump]

Options are options

[timber falcon]

Kyogre troubles?

[autumn vault]

2 turns sleeping

[mighty stump]

Stop assigning an opinion before experiencing the option

[timber falcon]

Oh then u we’re pretty lucky there, but still nice

[bold geode]

Like for some reason, Zama Grass Spam Gastro sounds
Like something

[timber falcon]

Gastro is for Kyogre right

[autumn vault]

Yes

It also helps against urshifu rapid strike

Which with surging strikes ignores defense buffs

And Zama resists wicked blow

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah I didn’t even remember it helps against surging

[bold geode]

Yeah
Actually Tofu I forgot to tell you that
On Limitless, the Ting P2 Zama stuff, I see people use Gastro on that

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t say gastro is a low point at all btw

[autumn vault]

And it also helps to redirect Water Ivy Cudgels too

[timber falcon]

Basically just everything water

Unlessssssssss

Turbo blaze tera water tera blast

Reaching too the moon with that one actually

[autumn vault]

Mold Breaker and Teravolt as well

[timber falcon]

Mhm

Btw, how is wheezing teams looking this reg

[autumn vault]

Looks fine

The calyrex (for some reason) do not get affected by neutralizing gas

You can expect a weezing + regigigas rental out of me

Not sure on how good it is rn

[timber falcon]

Cause once I’ve mastered zama I might move onto smth else that’s now 100% built around a restricted mon

[timber falcon]

Oh-

[autumn vault]

Atleast in SwSh, i think so in SV

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

I see As One there

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

I dont want to use calyrex ice because it tortured me
I do not want to use calyrex shadow because i will feel filth if i use it

But if i want to make a Weezing team in Reg G i think i have no choice

[timber falcon]

Gotta have a more open mindset

[autumn vault]

No

[lofty tartan]

Or you can use Weezing to disrupt your opponent.

[autumn vault]

True

And it does counter Zamazenta and Zacian thanks to it's presence

[lofty tartan]

It turns off their abilities - it doesn't counter them by existing.

[autumn vault]

But the restricted slot has to be taken and i dont see any other legend that has better synergy than the mounted onions

[timber falcon]

Once it dies abilities get activated right

[autumn vault]

Deactivated when it switches in

[lofty tartan]

Yes. Once it dies or switches, abilities activate.

[autumn vault]

i can confirm this

[timber falcon]

Ok so intimidate will activate mid game

[lofty tartan]

Yes.

Which is why it's more beneficial to not use Ability Shields on Intimidate mons.

You can pivot to Intimidate from Weezing and keep cycling them.

[warped mason]

I feel that way with any team using amoongus

[autumn vault]

I have been told to use ability shield and for how much other items will help, i don't think it is worth it

[lofty tartan]

Or you can pivot side mon and trigger Intimidate.

[autumn vault]

There are many ways to activate intimidate even with neutralizing gas

[lofty tartan]

I mean I've been told a lot of things, but I try to make my own opinions based on experience and etc.

[warped mason]

Ooo we doing weezing gigas strats?

[lofty tartan]

No

[timber falcon]

In reg F I saw a few ability shield wheezing teams

[autumn vault]

Me too, i actually see so many people say Zekrom is shit but from my testing with the right mindset, it does fantastic, Bolt and Miraidon do NOT ruin Zekrom's viability

[lofty tartan]

Literally anything can work.

Work =/= optimal.

[timber falcon]

Hmm no

[autumn vault]

People need to test first and then judge

Surprised that people dont ngl

[timber falcon]

Anything seems like a stretch

[torn parrot]

It was a few days ago that I realized tera storm is supperffective into tera like blast

[timber falcon]

Id say most things can work

[lofty tartan]

It's not.

[warped mason]

Ayo??? Wo chien just won a tour

[autumn vault]

Moxie Boosted will love this news

[timber falcon]

Really?

[torn parrot]

I agree

[autumn vault]

I can give a noob a calyrex shadow team and they would lose a lot because they don't know how to play that well

[lofty tartan]

Yes. If it can do damage, it can take KOs, if it can take KOs, it can win games. Anything can work, it doesn't mean it's good or optimal.

I'm not... Wow.

Just... Wow.

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-smh-shake-head-no-nope-gif-17582268

Wow.

[autumn vault]

what is wrong?

[mighty stump]

💀

[timber falcon]

I take it back

[autumn vault]

It's ability does go through amulet

Wo-chien's

It can nerf attack of pokemon even with amulet

[torn parrot]

Iv seen a few wo chiens on a few teams do okay in tournaments ngl

Its something Iv noticed

like lately anyways

[timber falcon]

I sent before I thought again

[autumn vault]

What did you say?

[warped mason]

Wo chien kyogre new meta 💀

[lofty tartan]

[autumn vault]

I forgor

[timber falcon]

“Wo chien is slept on” I ain’t tryna make him retire twice

[autumn vault]

it can do good stuff but nah, it is still the worst legend of the 4

[timber falcon]

Is it though

Or is it the hardest to use

[warped mason]

Does wo chien have some sort of redirection?

[timber falcon]

Nope

But it can heal and bulk and repeat

[warped mason]

Damn, would have ran it on kyogre if it did

[autumn vault]

With Leech seed and leftovers

[warped mason]

So far sinischa is doing its job

[autumn vault]

That is about it

[timber falcon]

And pollen puff

[autumn vault]

It can't heal itself with it

[timber falcon]

Still healing

It can heal ur mons

[autumn vault]

Funny that Chien Pao, a jaguar, learns recover but not Wo-Chien, a slug made of leaves

[warped mason]

Doesn't sinistcha do that better tho?

[timber falcon]

Lul

I mean it’s a different mon

The way it functions and its typing

And ability to boot

[warped mason]

I guess wo chien is debuffing. Maybe it could do decent with calm mind kyogre.

[warped mason]

Well its typing is not something to brag about

[timber falcon]

Pressing poison tera 🗣️🔥every game

[autumn vault]

I mean typing literally as bad as tyranitar's is something to consider

I have to take a break for a bit, see you soon

[timber falcon]

Cya

[warped mason]

Yea wo chien + calm mind ogre does not sound bad tbh

I'll try it on showdown for a bit

Then maybe I'll go out of my way to catch it if i like it

Actually yea i can see wo chien being annoying af, with stuff like AV duraladon in the back. Could be cope tho.

[autumn vault]

Why duraludon?

Archaludon is literally an upgrade

[warped mason]

oops meant the evolution

[autumn vault]

They are both weak to fighting but that type mostly uses physical moves except tera blast (special, physical ones also exist) being the most common (aura sphere is super limited and focus miss is focus miss)

[warped mason]

trying this out

wo chien about to cook

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/0ac014c18307b9f4 6th member?

[timber falcon]

Evs done yet?

[autumn vault]

Yes

It is the OTS version

But i can send the one with evs if you want

[timber falcon]

Evs would be nice

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/5711c09f03405faa

[timber falcon]

I think

It’s really good rn, maybe another spatacker?

[autumn vault]

Ngl i forgor what was the speed for

[timber falcon]

Zama wants at least 156 def

[autumn vault]

It is bold

it has 176 defense

[timber falcon]

Yeah, on top of bold

[autumn vault]

Any reason? You know Zama better than me

[timber falcon]

156 gets a +2 ev which is just nice to have in general lol

No reason for 148 when 156 exists

[autumn vault]

Any other reason?

[timber falcon]

That’s pretty much it

Better defence, which it likes

[autumn vault]

I think it is fine with what it has

No need to reduce SpD too much

[timber falcon]

What’s the speed for

[autumn vault]

Like i said: I forgor

It did have 162 speed

[timber falcon]

Cause it sacrifices bulk that it probably wants into spdef

And if there’s no reason you can remember……

[autumn vault]

I removed it before you even said that

[timber falcon]

If I’m being honest I think 252/156/100 is the way to go

[autumn vault]

Maybe it needs to calc for landorus incarnate to survive EP

[timber falcon]

Maximise that bulk, its speed is amazing for a body press mon, and there’s not much u wanna outspeed anyway

Pretty sure it already does

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 166-198 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

Yep

[autumn vault]

Back to before: Any 6th meber ideas?

[timber falcon]

Hmmm

[autumn vault]

Not flutter btw

[timber falcon]

Why?

[autumn vault]

Because i still have beef with it

[timber falcon]

U need to open that mind

[autumn vault]

No

[timber falcon]

Ok then

Anyway, we need to look at what the team lacks

[mighty stump]

Lol

[autumn vault]

Besides i am sure there are options as good as flutter

[timber falcon]

Maybe u can benefit from screens

[autumn vault]

True

[timber falcon]

U are running bulky mons

[autumn vault]

I do have no other options

Outside of flutter but i stated it before, besides screens might be better

https://pokepast.es/c8de744e15a433f4 This?

[elder python]

anyone a singles ou player?

that can help me with a team

[autumn vault]

I dont think i can help, i haven't played OU in a long time

[mighty stump]

Nice

Slowly creeped up to 1600s with Rayquaza

[charred saddle]

waterpon flutter lead and just spam choice specs tera fairy dazzling gleam and u dontt have anything to stop it

and 4 move calm mind bolt?

[timber falcon]

cant wait for the "slowly creeped up to 1600s with cosmog" next

[mighty stump]

Lol most of the games I didnt even bring Rayquaza

[timber falcon]

why, it thought u always bring ur restricted#

[mighty stump]

You just bring what's gonna work

If I don't think the MU is relevant for Rayquaza I just don't bring it

https://pokepast.es/bbf2946ec236fd9e

[timber falcon]

wtf

[mighty stump]

lol

252+ SpA Choice Specs Transistor Tera-Electric Regieleki Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 192-226 (96.4 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

It's a lot of modifiers

[timber falcon]

man

yeah and everything died except bolt

[mighty stump]

lol

Unfort

[timber falcon]

mhm and caly ice enters the field

ima do some bo3

[willow vault]

We all doing good today?

[autumn vault]

I already have all of my members on the team, too late, also yes i will go no protect bolt because i already have good tools and thunderclap only is very risky

[pastel blade]

How tf was groudon faster than 150 base speed? Even if he has scarf he’s still slower right? Or am I dumb

[autumn vault]

it is base 90 speed

let me do the calcs

[timber falcon]

im coping unbearably

i play cts and wonder why weird ass shit happens to me

[autumn vault]

It has to be 252+ scarf to be that fast

[timber falcon]

ive had enough of zama, idk why i decided to remake a team that worked

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/c8de744e15a433f4 Also how is this looking?

[timber falcon]

im playing ho-oh

[autumn vault]

Respect earned 100%

[warped mason]

anyone repping either of the gen 2 box arts have my respect

[autumn vault]

And the ones using the gen 5 dragons (except kyurem-W)?

[pastel blade]

That’s faster that 150 base speed with 252+?

[autumn vault]

Because i use Zekrom

[autumn vault]

yes

[warped mason]

what u got against kyurem white sir

[pastel blade]

Jesus

[warped mason]

let it blizzard spam in peace

[autumn vault]

It is noticably better than the other dragons

That is all

[warped mason]

oh god yea, it rips apart things easily

its also funny how it just says no to terapogos

[autumn vault]

Great actually

[torn parrot]

ayaaaa nicee!

[wheat geode]

Hi sorry, p bad at competitive but I'm trying to wrap my head around how my Eruption did 29% damage one turn to Dondozo and then 61% damage to it on another turn (Turn 6) under the same conditions (Tera Fire Hyphlosion, Sunlight), would appreciate if someone could point out what I'm not noticing

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2104825530-xub4trk008a4n6du9db6dss0c486vo5pw

[timber falcon]

critical hit

[wheat geode]

Oh whoops, I don't know how I didn't notice that

Thanks! sorry for the dumb q

[timber falcon]

questions are good dw about it

[warped mason]

gotta love beating caly shadow

[charred saddle]

just played against sub gouging fire

[warped mason]

yea eerie impulse thunderous feels really strong

[autumn vault]

Good against Calyrex Shadow, Terapagos, Flutter Mane, tec.

Thundurus might see more usage ngl

[warped mason]

i just beat a terapogos just because eerie impulse kept forcing him to switch

[autumn vault]

Seems like i was not wrong about EI doing good against terapagos

[warped mason]

the guy who won a tourney with this team was cooking

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2103323123?p2 I still remember this like yesterday

[autumn vault]

And they served the 6 star food

[warped mason]

he was playing chiyu over lando, but I honestly might try that out cus I'm not bringing lando that much here

[craggy dagger]

mmm?

[warped mason]

anyone who makes amoongus player scoop gets my approval

also what set was your zekrom?

dd dance sweeper?

[autumn vault]

The only good set

Ofc

[warped mason]

does black kyurem not do that better?

[chrome knot]

guess what

[autumn vault]

Worse typing and less reliable Ice STAB

[warped mason]

fair enough

[autumn vault]

Bulk can be seen in different ways

[craggy dagger]

?
what’s up?

oh how did orlando go-
i wasn’t able to tune in cause i was really busy this week

[chrome knot]

chicken butt

[craggy dagger]

:T

[chrome knot]

bad bc i just didnt practice enough leading into it like a silly person

[covert magnet]

Can someone please help me on the Pokémon violet pokedex

[charred saddle]

dragon cheer roaring moon

[craggy dagger]

go check out #1112832566261731328 or #trading_sv_pokedex it’ll be faster and you’ll have a better chance there

[chrome knot]

and then it got worse when a friend i cheered on till the end got outed for being transphobic

[craggy dagger]

that’s…
not good

[chrome knot]

noo its kinda awful but it also makes 0 sense

[craggy dagger]

this world makes no sense emma

for some reason i’m not surprised-

[chrome knot]

i just dont get it tho he has so many trans friends how do you even hold that opinion lmao

so then after the news broke out i needed like family therapy with jean marc

[craggy dagger]

uh…
it’s called stuffing your opinions down so that you’ll have friends

my voice is disgusting now…
it dropped an octave lower and now i sound like a man-
ㅠㅠ

[chrome knot]

try having morning voice while ur group wants to go out for breakfast and ur in a skirt and light colours

[craggy dagger]

i thought it was a mornie voice

it wasn’t and something went wrong

[dusty gate]

I hug.

[gentle crag]

[chrome knot]

ohohoh nova peep the fit bc i do not think i showed you

thoughts?

[craggy dagger]

cuuutteee

[chrome knot]

[craggy dagger]

still jelly that people have courage to go out like that…

me here in alberta having to go into hiding cause they don’t like lgbtq2+ ppl
ㅠㅠ

[chrome knot]

thas bc i give no fucks what people think and i know im beautiful :3 be a little more confident in yourself silly youll slay

[craggy dagger]

mm that’s true

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

anyone know any hard hitting Pokémon that kill fairy and dark types

[molten oasis]

tf did i just walk into

[timber falcon]

A conversation that I was watching but didn’t wanna spoil the mood

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/zacian-gif-19228328

[timber falcon]

That’s not a restricted

[molten oasis]

flutter

idk, thats really specific

[timber falcon]

I just wanna know if there is one

[molten oasis]

hmm

valiant ig

corviknight

[chrome knot]

fairy gleam set gholdengo

[molten oasis]

that

[timber falcon]

That works

[knotty mirage]

Lucario ?

[molten oasis]

lucario is not good

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[chrome knot]

make it rain gleam plot protect @ tera fairy

[timber falcon]

Is it though?

[molten oasis]

its not

[knotty mirage]

In this reg or next yeah

[timber falcon]

Why

[molten oasis]

i dont, idk about that set lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 448: Lucario

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Steadfast, Inner Focus, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/70/115/70/90

Total

525

Other Formes

Lucario-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

id rather go specs at that point

[knotty mirage]

I have question is there a chance of 100% acuraccy move miss because of subsitute ?

[molten oasis]

we're playing in reg g here i assume, getting walled by fire/steel types sounds kinda bad and wide guard being common also sucks

[timber falcon]

No

[chrome knot]

locked into a move on that set is pain

[molten oasis]

well not that common

[knotty mirage]

Huh really

[timber falcon]

Mhm

[molten oasis]

fair, i do think dengo is not a great choice user

unless you do trick stuff

[knotty mirage]

The thing is i play bss agains't sub spamming dragonite but for some reason my wicked blow misses on one of the turn

[timber falcon]

Replay?

[molten oasis]

just an option, p-jab scarf single strike shifu does that

[timber falcon]

Unless bright powder

[knotty mirage]

It's bss not showdown

[molten oasis]

probably bright powder

[knotty mirage]

Okay that makes sense now

[timber falcon]

If there’s no evasion it’s that

[knotty mirage]

Bss can never cease to amaze me huh

[molten oasis]

what has that kind of coverage

[timber falcon]

The gamble it takes to run that Lul

[knotty mirage]

I almost throw my controller because of that the fight is fucking pain

[timber falcon]

BBS doesn’t even have a meta right

Just random shit

[molten oasis]

OTOT for the options you have on that you have what Emma said works and you also have like, anything that already hits one of those types and just go with a coverage move

[knotty mirage]

I know it just either bruteforce or weird cheese

[timber falcon]

Ok I’ll find one

I’m mainly struggling with ghosts

[molten oasis]

???

why was your concern fairy and dark types then?

[timber falcon]

Did I say dark?

[molten oasis]

YES

[timber falcon]

I meant ghost

[molten oasis]

kingambit

[timber falcon]

See drago this is why I need u here in comp chat

[molten oasis]

gholdengo is also ok if you can redirect/protect it from exploding

[timber falcon]

Kinggambit NEVER crossed my mind

[molten oasis]

cuz kingambit under mid allegations

although i want to try it out

see if its worth using

[molten oasis]

yk its true monke

[chrome knot]

yeah its max damage gamble

plot set is miles better

[molten oasis]

agreed

make it rain +2 still good

6 regulations in

[bold geode]

That's the meme
He didn't win

[molten oasis]

not funny, didn't laugh

[timber falcon]

He damn should’ve

[mighty stump]

Zamazenta be like

[molten oasis]

cough anyway im trying toilet bird on a grasspam team cuz my mu into koraidon is literally losing

[molten oasis]

not restricted

[timber falcon]

No zama is my main

[molten oasis]

as i suggested zac and got that answer

[mighty stump]

ok

[molten oasis]

ah

[mighty stump]

Tinkaton

[molten oasis]

lmao

[timber falcon]

Well, you see, I accidentally said dark

[autumn vault]

Grimtwo!

[timber falcon]

I meant ghost

[molten oasis]

kingambit

[timber falcon]

Yeah il add him in due time

My brain is resting

[molten oasis]

or once again, scarf p-jab urshifu or gholdengo

[timber falcon]

P-jab isn’t gonna KO most fairy types I don’t think

Also I’m considering not going scarf shifu for my team

[molten oasis]

you dont need ohko

you dont need to ohko to win games

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

damage is still very valuable

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu

Types

Fighting/Dark

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Other Formes

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

True, but locked into p-jab?

Only when I need to

Absolutely need to

[molten oasis]

then run dengo, i just wanted to offer some kind of option that doesn't make double steel

i think double steel sucks

[timber falcon]

Hmm so it’s either gambit or dengo

[dapper crag]

Gholdengo [Steel/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal, Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Psychic, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Electric, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Ground

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.
Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Kingambit [Dark/Steel]

Immune

Poison, Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Electric, Fairy, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Ground

Weak (4x)

Fighting

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Damn gholdengo immune to 3 things?

Didn’t notice

Guess I’m going gambit

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

steel ghost is an incredibly typing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

I but I also need a slow mon for tr

And gambit is pretty slow

[molten oasis]

sure

[timber falcon]

Now

Where does gambit go in the team?

https://pokepast.es/099ad0fc40407011

2 mons that have not been doing me justice are torn (tw isn’t really needed Lul) and raging bolt

[molten oasis]

then drop torn or bolt

[timber falcon]

What about both

Flutter will go in for bolt, gambit on for torn

[molten oasis]

ok

sounds decent

[timber falcon]

Now I need to get lucky MUs, ima do a test run

Ok so I have no sets for kingambit or specs flutter

Anyone here got one? Or any ideas?

[charred saddle]

for some reason i love crown torn lead kek

[timber falcon]

What does it even do

[polar canyon]

I think I wanna run intimidate gyarados again

[molten oasis]

flutter go bye bye

[charred saddle]

tailwind tachyon, and indeedee in back

for in case Eforce

[timber falcon]

Oh ok good indeedee is there

[polar canyon]

Is there any reason why I really shouldn't use gyarados rn

[molten oasis]

incineroar exists

[polar canyon]

I don't wanna overlap type with chi yu

[timber falcon]

I mean, it doesn’t resist both mons dominating rag G

[molten oasis]

theres generally better water types

[polar canyon]

The team is kinda afraid of groudon

[molten oasis]

lando

t

[timber falcon]

Groudon normally runs clear am

[polar canyon]

I mean incin doesn't like groudon

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/landorus-gif-13744914906800154741

[polar canyon]

I could

Remember when lando t was one of the best mons in older gens

Yeah neither do I

[timber falcon]

Lol

[charred saddle]

bonk bonk and finally im back to MB

time to not play again till next regulation

Ass record tho

couldve done better, lost some game since i threw by overthinking

[autumn vault]

You didn't even lose in double digits, how is that bad?

[charred saddle]

couldve done it better is what i feel and what i imposed on myself

[timber falcon]

i just got stalled by miraidon

what is this

[charred saddle]

while i didnt play a lot lately due to uni and im using rental

i did better in the past like only losing <7, so i used that as a goal for me at least

[molten oasis]

i havent played cart in a while

maybe i should

[charred saddle]

cart is definitely more fun than showdown

cant seem to focus on the game in Showdown

its like if i lose so be it mentality and so i think less on showdown

[timber falcon]

whats cart

[molten oasis]

the game itself

[charred saddle]

cartridge

basically ur playing "real" VGC

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[charred saddle]

not showdown

[pearl wind]

bright powder urshifu

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

Haven't played cart in a long time

I am also shiny hunting Zekrom btw

Will seriously start tomorrow

[charred saddle]

HAHHAHAHAH

imagine if u noticed its bright powder by missing FO

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/8ca4ad833837e314 Before i start testing, how does this look?

[pearl wind]

it was shifu dark and i missed gleam

[molten oasis]

looks good

[autumn vault]

Bright powder reduces the opponents accuracy by 10

I think i will test it the day after tomorrow

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-fight-throw-lol-funny-prank-gif-16325815

[autumn vault]

Tomorrow i am planning to go top notch on shiny hunting zekrom

[charred saddle]

yeah i remembered u said that hahah

[autumn vault]

Also i noticed you changed username, did you return?

[molten oasis]

maybe if you read my status you'd know

yes im back

[autumn vault]

back and ready to rumble

[charred saddle]

idk if its good, flutter hits all neutral or SE

and idt that zama can deal with waterpon
one of the lead im thinking is waterpon flutter just spam follow me tera fairy MB or gleam

[molten oasis]

zama rolls flutter

[charred saddle]

follow me bro

[autumn vault]

Did you know that only Grafaiai and Pyroar resist both flutter's STABs? Yes i did

[charred saddle]

waterpon deals with zama bash

[molten oasis]

lead with rilla

remove it

[charred saddle]

i didnt say that its a hard countered stuff,
but the fact that its all fairy neutral or weak is off for me