competitive_discussion

[gentle delta]

Anyone happen to know the speed benchmarks to beat Groudons? Is it like 120s?

[molten oasis]

120's yea

[solid frigate]

Incineroar in 2019:

[molten oasis]

idt groudon is running more than that rn

[mighty stump]

EV wise?

126++

[gentle delta]

Raw stat

[mighty stump]

if Raw

above

[gentle delta]

Need to benchmark a no speed investment walking wake to outspeed all groudons

Is 129 enough?

[mighty stump]

Risky still

[molten oasis]

i think that works

[brazen bough]

Is this the last regional

[molten oasis]

ive only really seen 252/252 so

i cant say too much

[solid frigate]

there are more

i think

[molten oasis]

there no more reg f

next regional is reg g

[solid frigate]

he meant regional so

[gentle delta]

What would you say

[gentle delta]

Theres two more Reg F regionals lol

[solid frigate]

I wanna see what Wolfey would make in Reg G

[gentle delta]

North America aint the only continent

[smoky hawk]

Surging strikes with mystic water does more dmg than cc. And his urshifu had poison tera. Neil made big mistakes late game...

[molten oasis]

OH

oh i got it wrong then thats my bad

[mighty stump]

Honestly, Power Item your Wake

[gentle delta]

How much then? 131?

[molten oasis]

i just heard "last reg f regional" and assumed

[gentle delta]

For why

[mighty stump]

Wait, im confused

[gentle delta]

I want it to outspeed groudons outside of tr….

[mighty stump]

Do you want Wake to underspeed?

Ohhh

[gentle delta]

I said outspeed and never said tr lol

[foggy lodge]

Dragonite??

[gentle delta]

I want it bulky because its on a tr team, and I just want it fast enough to outspeed groudon outside of tr

[molten oasis]

gholdengoat

[mighty stump]

What does Max Adamant Groudon hit

[solid frigate]

Paonite Shenanigins?

maybe?

[molten oasis]

uhhhh

[foggy lodge]

I love Paonite

[molten oasis]

110

[mighty stump]

What

[foggy lodge]

But nah, it's probably because of those archetypes with Gouging, Dragonite scale shot, Ting-Lu, Dondozo and those things

[mighty stump]

Max Adamant, Max Speed bro

[molten oasis]

oh i read it wrong sorry

[foggy lodge]

Paonite dies when the giraffe became relevant

[molten oasis]

142

[dawn crown]

is orlando the last regional of reg f?

[gentle delta]

Max speed isnt a normal benchmark tho I don’t think

[solid frigate]

Reg G i can see this happening cuz

[mighty stump]

-calc 205x0.67

[gentle crag]

Result: 137.350000

[gentle delta]

Two more, one in Latin America and I think one more

[mighty stump]

id almost suggest go 139, but go 129 first

Should be enough

[gentle delta]

I think most dons are adamant 124 ev

What does that hit

[mighty stump]

126

Which outspeeds 187 after a drop

[gentle delta]

Okay so 129 is fine to start

Walking Wake @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Steam
• Weather Ball
• Dragon Pulse
• Snarl

129 speed with this

[mighty stump]

Id almost still want Flamethrower just for consistent damage into grass types

[solid frigate]

weather ball for sun?

[mighty stump]

Since its not that much different

[dapper crag]

Move: Weather Ball

Power doubles if a weather condition other than Delta Stream is active, and this move's type changes to match. Ice type during Snow, Water type during Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, Rock type during Sandstorm, and Fire type during Desolate Land or Sunny Day. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and uses Weather Ball during Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, Desolate Land, or Sunny Day, this move remains Normal type and does not double in power.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Targets

Any adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 3

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Since the only other weather you benefit off is Snow

with WB

[gentle delta]

Dw about the weather ball lol

[foggy lodge]

How you guys see Raging Weather ball in a Groudon team?

[gentle delta]

Love it, have been testing

[molten oasis]

havent tried it

[mighty stump]

It’s been around before Reg G too

[gentle delta]

Weather Ball bolt top 16d Orlando too

[gentle delta]

Yeah Ive been a big pusher of it as you know

[mighty stump]

Yeah exactly

[solid frigate]

Raging Bolt Weather Ball?

Never tried it cuz i only did clap,bolt,snarl,draco

[foggy lodge]

I want to try it

[solid frigate]

might make electroweb cuz its just toxic to use it

[foggy lodge]

Nah

I hate running T-clap as my only electric stab move

Maybe i would even run thunderbolt over T-clap

[solid frigate]

Clap is so situational and now Reg G Set mons are just-

[foggy lodge]

Indeedee and Farigiraf are always in some teams

Farigiraf is the bff of every single resricted

[solid frigate]

yeah

(Idk why i did not ran that on my Terapagos Team

but then again it make my team EVEN More Passive

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos Comfey Rillaboom Incineroar Farigiraf?

Yeah it's a bit passive

[molten oasis]

nah

[foggy lodge]

I mean Terapagos is already passive, it has to scale somehow

[smoky hawk]

Remember people: mystic water urshifu's strongest move is surging strikes, not cc

[molten oasis]

Zacians best friend is urshifu imo

[solid frigate]

I did Terapagos Incineroar Ogerpon Water Tornadus Grimmsnarl Raging Bolt

[molten oasis]

the restricteds best friends need to deal with the things it struggles with

[foggy lodge]

Huh

[solid frigate]

Urshifu or Gouging

but eh you are a better Zacian player so

[foggy lodge]

Seems good, the most replacable mon would be Grimmsnarl i think but it's still a good Pokémon

[molten oasis]

i think shifu has the edge since it threatens the fire ground and steel types zacian doesnt like

[foggy lodge]

Hey guys also a question

[solid frigate]

Its just keep my Terapagos Alive for long as fuck

[foggy lodge]

How often you don't pick your legendary in a match?

[molten oasis]

very rarely

if its mu is actually horendous then i wont bring it but usually i do

[smoky hawk]

What restricteds are we mostly seeing?

[solid frigate]

Phrase it as Restricted cuz i have 3 Legendaries

Ogerpon,Tornadus and Terapagos

[molten oasis]

caly ice/shadow

[foggy lodge]

Yeah restricted

[molten oasis]

groudon miraidon koraidon

zacian and zamazenta

[solid frigate]

i saw some Terapagos team but yeah the ones that Drago said are more common

[foggy lodge]

I've always picked my restricted in every match for now but i haven't played too much

[molten oasis]

kyogre kyurem and terapagos

[foggy lodge]

Tbh if you don't bring you restricted in atleast like

85%-90% of the matches i think there's a problem

[molten oasis]

yea

its the main guy of the team

[solid frigate]

Me and Anthorpos actually fight in Casual Battles Randomly and its a close match with my Terapagos loses to Mienshao making it 1-0

so at least i have a shot winning on groudon teams

[foggy lodge]

Can i see the pokepaste of your team?

[molten oasis]

when i come back to play im just gonna be learning zacian balance

i really like zac shifu torn pao as a core rn

[solid frigate]

i think i shown for like bajillion time but sure
https://pokebin.com/456b3eb99a3981f5

[foggy lodge]

Huh

Imo i'd prefer to run between a meteor beam power herb set or a calm mind leftovers set

It may help it

I saw a Comfey Terapagos team

And it helps it to reset his ability

So it doesn't get 2HKO'd always

[mighty stump]

Just run both

[molten oasis]

rilla gives you said recovery on lefties

[solid frigate]

i'm thinking about that as well and i saw it being used, but idk if that makes my team more passive

[dawn crown]

what moves do i run on groundon

[molten oasis]

precipice blades heat crash

then rock slide/swords dance and protect

[foggy lodge]

Swords Dance Protect Heat Crash and Precipice Blades

[dapper crag]

Groudon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Power-Up Punch, Precipice Blades, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Eruption, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar

Status Moves

Block, Bulk Up, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Roar, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Groudon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

could also run stomping tantrum for precipice misses

[foggy lodge]

Or something like High horsepower so you don't miss precipice 90% of the times and you miss high horsepower 89%

😻

[solid frigate]

lol

Pention Wolfey make a Terapagos Team

[bold geode]

Believe it has to miss both though?

[dapper crag]

Move: Stomping Tantrum

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

probably idk

[atomic mural]

does anyone have a lunala set thats not just max max

[bold geode]

Don't even know what all it runs EV wise

[solid frigate]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 84 Def / 164 SpA / 60 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room
  I did that but idk if its gonna handle that well

if its not a trick room set then idk

[bold geode]

I know it's been used before there, but I also know it's been used outside
I need to look at Lunala tbh

I also know some folks using it for E Force

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[bold geode]

But it's nasty factoring in Shadow Shield

I just find the fact that you can't OHKO something with a STAB 4x super effective move quite disgusting

Anyways
Calyrex jumpscare

[bitter heart]

certainly a calyrex

[bold geode]

Oh no
It's a jumpscare for the Calyrex

Zama pog

[molten oasis]

Does zama beat shadow caly?

[bold geode]

Oh brother
It makes the MU easier for sure
It's not 100%, but there is definitely a fighting chance

[molten oasis]

Kewl

[cyan smelt]

What do you do if caly s has chi yu next to it

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/48c0284bce490dbd maybe?

[polar canyon]

I think it can probably body press the chi yu

[polar canyon]

Misleading team name

Looks nice tho

[cyan smelt]

Isn't chi yu running scarf these days

[fluid fiber]

This is what I'm screwing with rn https://pokepast.es/9113d6f4658ea7fd

[unkempt flax]

I need input. What does zamazenta not beat?

[cyan smelt]

Brian hands

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo

Uhh, yea that’s it off the top of my head lol

[polar canyon]

Lunala?

[unkempt flax]

Real. I genuinely like zamazenta but I am just trying to think of things it can’t beat. Lunala is one I haven’t thought of

[polar canyon]

How does it deal with psyspam

Mostly psyspam calyrex

[unkempt flax]

I’ve been doing what everyone else is doing. Zamazenta, porygon, incin, amoonguss, but I want to adapt that

[unkempt flax]

Wide guard

[tame sky]

Is there any way that regi eleki can one shot an avarege rilaboom?

[cyan smelt]

Might struggle against mienshao caly I without tera

[polar canyon]

Probably not

Maybe like specs tera blast with chi yu but don't do that

[tame sky]

Okay thank you

[fluid fiber]

Is there any way Giratina could make a name for itself

[unkempt flax]

No

[cyan smelt]

Not really it's too passive

Not with caly s everywhere

[unkempt flax]

You know an underrated Pokémon rn

Garganacle deadass

[tame sky]

I want to build a team around electric terrain regi eleki but rillaboom and indeene would be such a big threat..

[polar canyon]

My guy just lives forever

And salt cure is hella annoying

[cyan smelt]

Use miraidon instead of Regieleki and give it volt switch

[tame sky]

Yeah i know, i will do that in the next ruleset. Until then I want to make this somehow work

[polar canyon]

Can you tho

[tame sky]

Is tapu koko good pokemon?

[polar canyon]

Not in the game

[tame sky]

Competitively

[cyan smelt]

It's not in sv

[polar canyon]

But yeah it's nice

[tame sky]

Nooo

[polar canyon]

If it was in the game it would be very popular since release

[foggy lodge]

Why Sableye

[polar canyon]

Sableye is awesome

So many utility moves goes well with terapagos

[foggy lodge]

Grimmsnarl

[fluid fiber]

I like it more than grimm and it's able to get around fake out

[foggy lodge]

Huh

[polar canyon]

It can do a lot more than screens

[foggy lodge]

I forgot about fake out

Then yeah it can work

[fluid fiber]

But yeah messing with its set rn

[polar canyon]

In this case it's just screens but it does have a lot of good stuff in its moveset

[fluid fiber]

Not sure if double screens works best

Quash seems kinda good, wisp goes brr, disable is cracked

[polar canyon]

It has prankster quash, wisp, taunt, encore + disable

Fake out

Sableye is awesome

[fluid fiber]

Biggest issue is Indeedee

[foggy lodge]

What was quash

[dapper crag]

Move: Quash

Causes the target to take its turn after all other Pokemon this turn, no matter the priority of its selected move. Fails if the target already moved this turn.

Type

Dark

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

Makes the target move last no matter what

[fluid fiber]

Quash makes the target move last

[polar canyon]

But almost nothing gets the move and only sableye has it with prankster

Sableyes biggest enemy is indeedee

Foul play actually hurts farigiraf a lot

[fluid fiber]

It also hits a lot of foes hard in reg g

[polar canyon]

Caly ice is gonna suffer

That's the only strong physical attacker I can think of that's weak to dark really

Iron leaves and boulder? But no one's using those

[cyan smelt]

lunala really threatens it though with tera fairy moonblast

[fluid fiber]

How is Iron Leaves

[polar canyon]

Bad matchup into like everything

So using it is too much commitment

[cyan smelt]

jugulis seems good

[fluid fiber]

How should I edit this to best go into the format

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/bc539cbd95f7be98

I think I need some input on this one

Idk if I deal with tornogre too well

Wait no I have wide guard

Yes I do

[rustic mountain]

wolfey title repeat yeeesh hes just too good

[tame sky]

It needs a fast frontline physical attacker, but i may be wrong. Something that can take out the main threats turn one

[polar canyon]

Idk miraidon can take out some main threats turn 1

I checked calcs for some important ones with beads of ruin

Like mane and groudon

It needs stellar tera + beads of ruin but it can ohko groudon

And stellar electro drift can take out mane most of the time

Stellar + beads of ruin volt switch too

[tame sky]

What is the main counter to miraidon?

[polar canyon]

Rillaboom is a big problem

[tame sky]

Same with my idea, right..

[polar canyon]

Terapagos is something I could try to deal with better

Because it's just generally really good

Honestly there's not that much harm in giving valiant a -spdef nature instead and run cc

[tame sky]

Yeah but if you want to use it you really have ro build then whole team around it.

[polar canyon]

Valiant or terapagos?

That's kinda the idea of restricted formats

[tame sky]

Terapagos

[polar canyon]

Building teams around the legendaries

[fluid fiber]

I'm loving Terapagos

Because Imo it feels like a restricted that doesn't always need to be brought

[polar canyon]

None of them always need to be brought

[fluid fiber]

I mean

[polar canyon]

It's just usually a good idea to because they're just really strong

[fluid fiber]

If you have a groudon team

[strange fjord]

Cosmog is the restricted that never needs to be brought

[fluid fiber]

You need to bring Groudon every game

[polar canyon]

Do you

[fluid fiber]

Unless you have a torkoal

[polar canyon]

If you want you can also have sunny day torn in the back

[fluid fiber]

^ That's true

[polar canyon]

Manual setup is good against enemy weather

[fluid fiber]

Sunny day Sableye

But actually - any advice on this team? I like how Chi-Yu feels - but I may swap it out https://pokepast.es/9113d6f4658ea7fd

[strange fjord]

Sunny Day Munchlax

[polar canyon]

Looks like chi yu is only helping terapagos

But terapagos also wants to be bulky and live forever

I'm always wary of the type overlap with chi yu and incin but idk if it's that big of a deal

[fluid fiber]

Same here

[polar canyon]

Do you usually have time to set up the nasty plot?

Rn I wanna use snarl to further improve the caly shadow matchup

[fluid fiber]

Depends on the team but a lot of time I can get it off, but it may not be worth

Snarl isn't a bad idea

[polar canyon]

It's usually on scarf sets

But I like it in general

[bold geode]

Tree did I tell you about that reply I made to that Wolfe tweet that got numbers?

[bold geode]

Pog champion
Bring it in

[bold geode]

Also Zamazenta doesn't like Goldie, and you wanna make sure you live some special hits
Aka Moonblast from Specs Tera Fairy Mane (Modest) and Miraidon Electro Drift

Lando is scary, kinda gotta tera to live it

But yeah Ghost types, especially Gholdengo cuz Zama loves IDBP

So it fucks with it's tempo

[unkempt flax]

Hell yeah. I’ll figure something out. I am like super excited for this format

[bold geode]

Also note that you don't need to rip tera automatically for Groudon, you live it

[fluid fiber]

Do you think running goggles Incin and AV Raging Bolt over Chi-Yu would work better or is it best as it

[bold geode]

For Terapagos, yes

Double Fake Out + Starstorm/Calm Mind can go crazy

[fluid fiber]

Double fake out?

[bold geode]

Incin and Rilla both got Fake Out
Cycle them in and out via switching/Parting Shot U Turn, and have constant Fake Out pressure
Only thing that stops this from having maximum value is anti priority stuff or Ghost mons

And can be crazy with setup mons, hence why you see Incin Rilla and Calm Mind Raging Bolt in Regulation F

[polar canyon]

Free setup

And lefties grassy terrain bolt gets a lot of value

Maybe terapagos also can

But you usually want power herb meteor beam

[fluid fiber]

I said Raging Bolt not Rilla lol

[bold geode]

Oh I'm fuckin stupid

Raging Bolt MIGHT work?

[polar canyon]

Snarl spam

[bold geode]

Incin is definitely a good partner for it

[molten oasis]

what are we cooking

[polar canyon]

I wonder if a bolt team with weezing would be cool

It would just ruin kyogre anti priority

[molten oasis]

hmm true

[dapper crag]

Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

Hey terapagos ignores neutralizing gas

[cyan smelt]

also would ruin indeedee calyrex-s

[molten oasis]

could stil easily click eforce into weezing

[cyan smelt]

protect weezing and snarl

[molten oasis]

fair

terapagos is affected

it just doesnt stop tera shift

[polar canyon]

Autocorrect already knows tera shifu

[molten oasis]

lmao

my phone did that when i was texting my co-workers group chat

i didnt even notice until i looked at it again

[polar canyon]

They all know about the pokemon obsession now

[molten oasis]

fr lol

[polar canyon]

Farigiraf should have wide guard

[molten oasis]

no

fari is good enough lets not buff it

[polar canyon]

It looks like the type that learns wide guard tho doesn't it

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/farigiraf.gif

[molten oasis]

i guess yea, still shouldn't get it

[polar canyon]

It would be funny

It alone would ruin the reg g meta

[molten oasis]

fari required lol

[polar canyon]

We already have incin required

What's one more 70% usage mon

[cyan smelt]

calyrex-s must be approaching 70% lol

wait, does neutralising gas cancel inner focus too

[molten oasis]

yes

[cyan smelt]

so you can flinch mienshao before it gets off coaching

[molten oasis]

si

[cyan smelt]

flinch and then taunt

then caly just uses high horsepower on weezing lol

[elder python]

someone told me meowscarada is bad for ou is this true

[polar canyon]

Any shifu water sets for reg g?

There's just so many sets for so many reasons

So idk which I should be using rn

Non scarf

[fluid fiber]

Air balloon

[rustic mountain]

yea lol

where he has his head under the table

[fluid fiber]

I just feel like running Rilla is so overrun and there might be a better partner hiding in the shadows - looking for that hidden gem I suppose

[rustic mountain]

its overrun cuz its good

[molten oasis]

its "overun" because its good

[polar canyon]

I don't think you'll find any better grassy terrain setters or grassy gliders

[fluid fiber]

I know

Doesn't mean I like it

[polar canyon]

The grassy glide whimsicott

[fluid fiber]

Just seeing if there are other options

I guess it does counter Indeedee though

[polar canyon]

You don't have to like it

[molten oasis]

also ogerpon is the only other grassy glider you need

[polar canyon]

I don't like urshifu and it's on the team I'm building

[polar canyon]

Not that you'd do that without rilla

[molten oasis]

yea exactly

[rustic mountain]

no harm in having an off meta pick that rounds out ur team but going out of ur way to replace somethin that works well for other options that dont it just feels trying to be different just for the sake of it rather then for functionality/team optimization

[molten oasis]

we cant only use our favorites

[mighty stump]

Says u nerd

Im a god of this game

[molten oasis]

Tofu youre built different

[rustic mountain]

urshifu rilla incin r my favs watchu mean

[molten oasis]

we're not built that way lmao

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

I breathe a new comp appears

[molten oasis]

lmao

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

I've been a caly shadow fan since 2007

[molten oasis]

wha?

[fluid fiber]

^ I definitely agree here - it's what caused me to shift my team entirely during SwSh. I'm mostly just trying to see if utility wise Rillaboom is a neccesarry addtion to the team for that terrain or if there's another terrain setter/disruptor that would be better

Similar to using Sableye over Grimm which is to work around Fake out

[polar canyon]

Indeedee and miraidon are the other terrain setters that work

That are in the game at least

[fluid fiber]

Chi-Yu being replaced with Rilla is probably what I'll end up doing, I just worry about having too much physical to special ratio

[polar canyon]

You can't really use tapu fini rn

[rustic mountain]

yea its good to seek optionality not saying to jus always be stuck in meta ways but good meta calls counter common threats or provide something for ur team that other mons cant

[fluid fiber]

For sure

[mighty stump]

watch me

[molten oasis]

it really doesnt matter

[mighty stump]

calling nintendoodoo rn

[rustic mountain]

rilla is a utility mon that nothing else really replicates/replaces. usually opting into another grass type means ur team comp is different or its just amoongus

[fluid fiber]

Again I will probably just end up using Rilla, but worth looking into other 6th slot options

[molten oasis]

we're in a pretty physcial heavy meta game

[mighty stump]

About to be running banded rillaboom

[molten oasis]

the kitchen is scared

[rustic mountain]

i loved cb rilla in swsh

[mighty stump]

I have 3 kitchens and one is on fire at all times

[molten oasis]

lmao

[foggy lodge]

what the fuck happened here

[molten oasis]

thats where all tofu's wtf ideas are

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu rapid strike number 1

[rustic mountain]

rapid reclaimed its place as king

[mighty stump]

King

[molten oasis]

rapid strike is good lmao

[foggy lodge]

And single strike not even in the top 12

[molten oasis]

flutter has been dethroned

[foggy lodge]

And in some way Tornadus didn't make it to the top

[polar canyon]

Incin above mane as it should

[molten oasis]

again

[polar canyon]

Again as it should

[foggy lodge]

Flutter's fall is really noticeable

[rustic mountain]

i remember wen ppl were underestimating incin wen it came back

[molten oasis]

that was so weird

[polar canyon]

It's still a 40%

[molten oasis]

like, its incin, its not mid lmao

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

It has been it's most problematic gen

[molten oasis]

what are you people smoking

[rustic mountain]

idk ppl just fall into recency bias. it wasnt doing wat they thought immediately so it was written off by some

[foggy lodge]

And it's still imo the best Pokémon in reg F

[cyan smelt]

where are the usage stats from perth

[rustic mountain]

not sure

[molten oasis]

its prob incin yea

[polar canyon]

Y'all what urshifu sets are you using rn

[molten oasis]

scarf

[rustic mountain]

scarf

[polar canyon]

That aren't scarf

[rustic mountain]

mystic water

[molten oasis]

mystic water

[rustic mountain]

some ppl are doing sash

[polar canyon]

Cool any spreads?

[molten oasis]

i think tree and i live on the same wavelength lmao

[foggy lodge]

The top 5 Pokémon to me in reg f are Incineroar, Flutter, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Urshifu Rapid strike and Lando-I

[rustic mountain]

lol

[polar canyon]

I meant to ask for spreads

[molten oasis]

oh

[polar canyon]

There's 2 items urshifu ever uses

[rustic mountain]

i think bolt over lando i

[foggy lodge]

Maybe

[mighty stump]

My spread lives Thunderclap 😎

[molten oasis]

bolt is 100% top 5

[polar canyon]

Huge

[foggy lodge]

Bolt would be top 6

[polar canyon]

Calm 252 252+ spdef hp

[foggy lodge]

Or even Chien-Pao top 5

[molten oasis]

no it does, ive seen it

[polar canyon]

I believe it

[bold geode]

Well I made it on his Instagram lmao

[molten oasis]

my top 5 is incin rapid strike flutter wellspring bolt

nice monke

[rustic mountain]

haha nice

should make that his new pfp

[foggy lodge]

Also there's a lot more Ogerpon hearthflame rn

Or that's what i've seen

[polar canyon]

The wolfey influence

[foggy lodge]

I mean it has always been popular but i don't remember it was so high

[molten oasis]

cuz people remembered tera fire ivy cudgel go brr

[foggy lodge]

+1 atk

[rustic mountain]

its useage has pingponged since its introduction

[molten oasis]

wellspring has been high all reg f but hearth has been up and down

[foggy lodge]

One time i oneshoted a Sinistcha tera fire with tera fire ivy cudgel under sun

[polar canyon]

Ogerpon is technically top 3 if it got 23 and 21% but both are the same pokemon

[molten oasis]

thats a lot of multipliers

[rustic mountain]

its separated by form for a reason

[polar canyon]

Yeah just saying

I think it's funny

Ogerpon is so good it showed up twice in the same top 10 list

[elder python]

is meowdcarada good

[polar canyon]

Unrelated but I always see the white star and yellow spot markings on ogerpons belly under the mask as a shiny pyukumuku face

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/pyukumuku.gif

[polar canyon]

In vgc no not really

[foggy lodge]

No

[elder python]

singles ou?

[polar canyon]

Idk people here don't play that

[foggy lodge]

Ah in singles yeah it's good

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[elder python]

why tho

i like singles more than doubles

[polar canyon]

Because we like vgc better

[elder python]

👍

[polar canyon]

Good for you

Nothing wrong with that but people here mostly can't help

[elder python]

rats

[cyan smelt]

so does neutralising gas not work on unnerve?

[bitter phoenix]

It was in reg A

Good times

[molten oasis]

reg a sucked lol

[smoky hawk]

Which restricteds are we seeing more often?

[molten oasis]

caly ice and shadow

groudon and koraidon

zama and zac

terapagos

[cyan smelt]

miraidon

occasionally kyogre

[molten oasis]

i forgot mirai oops

[strange fjord]

what do you guys do to stop/counter terapagos. tera shell + leftovers + grassy terrain is a bit hard to break sometimes

[cyan smelt]

taunt

and urshifu or mienshao

[strange fjord]

what if they have a redirector like Ogerpon or Amoongus

[cyan smelt]

usually they run it with comfey and rilla

[strange fjord]

yeah but they can also have a redirector. and if they do, that'll be a bit harder to stop.

[cyan smelt]

then spread moves like snarl

[strange fjord]

true

but snarl on who? incin?

[cyan smelt]

incin usually yeah

[molten oasis]

av bolt

[strange fjord]

oh yeah, bolt run snarl

[next stump]

late to the party but let’s go wolfe

[mighty stump]

Snarl spam is one

Covert Cloak users on Terapagos are a thing

Other methods are just overwhelming offense

Terapagos takes a bit of time to get going

Its hard to break but not impossible at all

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna try out weezing and so far i've got bolt and groudon as partners, what ev spread should I do for groudon and what other teammates should I look at?

[unkempt flax]

Stellar Tera blast keeps its boost after it’s been used correct?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 639: Terrakion

Types

Rock/Fighting

Abilities

Justified

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/129/90/72/90/108

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[strong geode]

So I'm really confused.......So I had my whimsicott use stun spore on a tera dark houndoom, but it said it doesn't affect Houndoom? Like what?? There was no psychic terrain up to prevent priority moves (Because Whimsicott's prankster turns status moves into priority moves) And to my knowledge, it didn't have safety goggles because it would have said it had no affect "due to the safety goggles."

Only grass and electric types should be immune to stun spore, no?

[strange fjord]

prankster doesnt work on dark types

[dapper crag]

Ability: Prankster

This Pokemon's non-damaging moves have their priority increased by 1. Opposing Dark-type Pokemon are immune to these moves, and any move called by these moves, if the resulting user of the move has this Ability.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[strong geode]

I never knew that

I think maybe I read it once but forgot

[strange fjord]

well, now you do. beware the dark types ooooo

[strong geode]

I guess it's cuz prankster would probably be classified as a dark type ability and it would have no effect against the same type kind of like electric types can't be paralyzed

[bold geode]

Nah it's just a general patch they made

[fluid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/785060bcb85e3380 How does this look?

[elder python]

what’s reg a

[cyan smelt]

i honestly have no idea what to build for reg g and i suck at building so i probably need some coaching

[smoky hawk]

Another reason why incin overtook lando-T

One of a few reasons

[smoky hawk]

Well, you can taunt dark types. But not prankster taunt. It's just a feature of prankster

[foggy lodge]

Ok guys help

How do i learn how to pick my Pokémon in team preview

I think that's something i never really learned well

[finite vine]

I’m trying to make a single battle team for my brother so we can battle together and he gave me this team of his favorite Pokémon. Would anyone like to help me with the Pokémon movesets?

https://pokepast.es/70d29dff14db6c91

It doesn’t have to be competitive viable. As long as the Pokemon have good movesets

[untold urchin]

@thorny beacon

time to start vgc

[cyan smelt]

raika in comp chat 😮

[untold urchin]

kal0s i see you everywhere lol

[cyan smelt]

yeah i'm a shiny hunter, vgc player and gen chatter

[patent marsh]

https://twitter.com/thebluejaee/status/1779238820107460845?t=1egWG2ZT5-fgeQEJydiGVA&s=19 funny meme

thebluejae (@thebluejaee) on X

i keep my walking wake at 177 spa and 177 speed. you never know which one you're going to need in the moment, and i trust my walking wake to boost the correct stat.

Twitter · Apr 13, 2024, 8:02 PM

[autumn vault]

It will always buff SpA for those who are wondering meaning that it will never boost speed

[patent marsh]

Sadge

Not as fun

[dapper crag]

Ability: Protosynthesis

If Sunny Day is active or this Pokemon uses a held Booster Energy, this Pokemon's highest stat is multiplied by 1.3, or by 1.5 if the highest stat is Speed. Stat stage changes are considered at the time this Ability activates. If multiple stats are tied, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are prioritized in that order. If this effect was started by Sunny Day, a held Booster Energy will not activate and the effect ends when Sunny Day is no longer active. If this effect was started by a held Booster Energy, it ends when this Pokemon is no longer active.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Ah

I wasn’t aware of that

[dapper crag]

Ability: Quark Drive

If Electric Terrain is active or this Pokemon uses a held Booster Energy, this Pokemon's highest stat is multiplied by 1.3, or by 1.5 if the highest stat is Speed. Stat stage changes are considered at the time this Ability activates. If multiple stats are tied, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are prioritized in that order. If this effect was started by Electric Terrain, a held Booster Energy will not activate and the effect ends when Electric Terrain is no longer active. If this effect was started by a held Booster Energy, it ends when this Pokemon is no longer active.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[patent marsh]

so it just goes from first stat mentioned to last pretty much

[willow vault]

Good morning

[autumn vault]

Good Mornning

[willow vault]

How we all doing?

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh isn't working so I'm tempted to switch to zama

[willow vault]

Oh nice

[solid frigate]

in 2 restricted i think Ho-Oh would have more value but yeah Zama would be better

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh has no spread moves and is basically just entei

[solid frigate]

Imagine Ho-Oh Zamazenta team lol-

[solid frigate]

its good for stall but yeah it is true

[autumn vault]

Great actually

[solid frigate]

mhm

[willow vault]

Nice

[cyan smelt]

i kinda want to use alolan persian

[bitter phoenix]

The first regulation series, only Pokemon in the original paldea dex can be used, all legendaries were not allowed and paradox pokemon were also not allowed.

[solid frigate]

i might make my final Reg F Team for fun

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/38f8a108fbbdc624 What is a good 6th member?

I have made it somewhere with sand + Zacian and the 6th member should probably patch up some bad weaknesses

[solid frigate]

Gouging?

[autumn vault]

That would be a 3x weakness to ground

Sure why not

Besides i have rillaboom wellspring and ice punch tyranitar

[solid frigate]

Ice Punch WHA_

[autumn vault]

To counter grass and ground

[solid frigate]

still thats Bizzare lol

[autumn vault]

And i run protect to scout the tera of opponents, also because i can scan for any weaknesses

And tyranitar has 7 weaknesses

[solid frigate]

make sense

Pelipper,Ogerpon Hearthflame,Rillaboom,Archaludon,Urshifu Water and What would be the 6th slot-

Flutter Mane?

i want my team to have a sun mode and rain mode

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/3b50332c6395c4f1 How is it looking now?

[solid frigate]

good

[autumn vault]

Kind of doubting hearthflame in rain ngl

[solid frigate]

it suppose to have a sun and Rain mode

so it my team is facing a Sun Team, i can still do stuff

[autumn vault]

Atleast you have decent reasons to do anti synergy

I also notice a 3x flying weakness btw

[solid frigate]

yeah i learnt the hard way when i saw my Rain team gets decimated

[autumn vault]

I think the 6th member should be something that can counter flying types

Maybe Bolt

[solid frigate]

I can switch Urshifu into Bolt

[autumn vault]

If you want to but you will have slightly worse synergy with rain

In return you get better MU that can still be patched up

[solid frigate]

Thunder Raging Bolt?

[autumn vault]

I dont think so

It is very unreliable without rain

[solid frigate]

i trying to think with electroweb

[autumn vault]

I mean it has the same accuracy as Focus Miss without rain

[autumn vault]

2 Speed control options never hurt

[solid frigate]

yeah

i need hearhflame EVs for Swords Dance Pon

[autumn vault]

Pelipper,Ogerpon Hearthflame,Rillaboom,Archaludon and Raging Bolt. Now back to brainstorming

[solid frigate]

i'll try both Bolt version and mane version

[autumn vault]

I never used one so if i was an option it would be a no

Mane isn't a terrible idea (as much as i hate it)

Maybe Urshifu rapid can return

It does make the rain synergy better

and you already have counters to sand and sun

Snow is not an issue for the team

[solid frigate]

i used Wolfey's Calm Mind Mane set cuz yeah-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2103902463

Holy fu-

1408 on Reg F

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2103905170-xpz99wmgfav9ppcb7c7qpm5hpdfvzdypw

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-stalker-the-simpsons-bush-reverse-gif-11643846

[solid frigate]

hoi drago

i got to 1400+ in Reg F finally

[molten oasis]

Nice

With the same core?

[solid frigate]

Well... Its a different team

[molten oasis]

Can I see it?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/9dd4811400a53a34

[molten oasis]

Was this in reg f per chance?

[solid frigate]

yeah

it did suprsingly well

the game plan is that this Team behaves in Rain and Sun

[molten oasis]

Yea, hearth helps with sun

Along with flutter

[solid frigate]

and Rillaboom is kinda just here for fake out support

[solid frigate]

yeah and i also took Wolfey's Flutter but i build it with SP Attack

[molten oasis]

Neat

Still a good goal to hit in either reg

[solid frigate]

i was kinda think like,if i can't do shit in Rain then why i can't put stuff in

both Reg F and Reg G are in 50%

[molten oasis]

That’s not bad

[solid frigate]

also i am glad i have wide guard on Pelipper-

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2103917818 had a very nice Bo3

[solid frigate]

DID I SAW TURTLE

wait did that guy Tera Starstorm'd turn 1-

COVERT CLOAK TERAP-

W H A T

[autumn vault]

I Bo3'd someone from the VGC Chatroom

They needed help with a Koraidon MU

I helped because that is what a person with respect does

[solid frigate]

i'm just so confused on the covert Cloak but honestly

he did not bad,

1-0 is a good start

[autumn vault]

We did 2 Bo3s

I won both with 2-1 and 2-0

[solid frigate]

its honestly not bad

he is learning

[autumn vault]

Especially for a shit MU

[polar canyon]

Terapagos has a target on its back for fake out and can't tera ghost

[solid frigate]

oh yeah

Which i can't use cuz i use Cloak on Torn and Power Herb on Terapagos

[polar canyon]

On the day I do use terapagos I think I'll do leftovers with rilla

[autumn vault]

People are severely underestimating Zekrom imo

[polar canyon]

Why

[autumn vault]

I will go power herb if i ever do

[solid frigate]

yeh and i can see Zekrom as a good Restricted

[polar canyon]

I can't

What does it do

Dragon dance and get wisped?

[autumn vault]

People are like "Why use zekrom when miraidon exists" and i am like "Blud it doesn't worry about terrain and puts legwork very easily without relying on terrain"

And also dragon dance exists

[autumn vault]

You can always either redirect it, taunt it or tera fire to block it

[solid frigate]

Zekrom is kinda like the Physical Miraidon

(Not Koraidon cuz its plays so differently)

[autumn vault]

I go Fairy to take dragon moves better

And after a ddance like expected Zekrom absolutely reduces miraidon to dust

[solid frigate]

Zekrom is Physical Miraidon and it works-

[autumn vault]

No tera? Eat a +1 dragon claw
You tera? Eat an even stronger move bolt strike at +1

[polar canyon]

"It works" is kinda relative here

[autumn vault]

Bolt strike has 253.5 bp in electric terrain

Even higher than a super effective d-claw

[solid frigate]

Wait wait wait.

# 250????

[autumn vault]

yes

lets do the math ok

[polar canyon]

That doesn't seem right

[autumn vault]

130 bp x 1.3 = 195

[dapper crag]

Move: Bolt Strike

Has a 20% chance to paralyze the target.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

130

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

195 x 1.3 = 253.5

[solid frigate]

THAT IS SOME Z-MOVE BS BUT STRONGER

[autumn vault]

130 x 1.5 = 195 x 1.3 = 253.5

[polar canyon]

And how is it getting electric terrain

[autumn vault]

And spammable

[autumn vault]

From Miraidon's e-terrain

[polar canyon]

That doesn't seem right

[autumn vault]

you can always set it up

[polar canyon]

You're relying on them having the terrain?

[autumn vault]

even then it is a 195 bp move

[solid frigate]

technically he does not need to rely on it

[polar canyon]

Yeah and electro drift is 195ish too if you put it like that

Stab + almost always in terrain

[autumn vault]

100 x 1.3 = 130

130 x 1.5 = 195

[autumn vault]

E-terrain

[solid frigate]

isn't stab like 1.5? So Zekrom can do BS damage as well

[polar canyon]

And miraidon is fast and doesn't care about intimidate

[autumn vault]

Dont forget tera to really make your opponents smack their controllers/Keyboards onto the wall

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me stuck with Terapagos only deal like 180 BP

In a 120 BP Move

[autumn vault]

Amulet

[solid frigate]

and it does not do that much even with Tera

[polar canyon]

That makes it require that item and have no flexibility

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-banging-table-angry-mad-rage-quit-gif-17478101

[autumn vault]

Look at Calyrex ice, is it really hurting it?

Like with Zekrom, no

[polar canyon]

Caly ice is caly ice

[autumn vault]

Besides Zekrom has a better MU onto incineroar

and H-arcanine

[polar canyon]

What

[autumn vault]

And it also struggles against landorus therian (but you hardly ever see it)

[solid frigate]

bro the Calyrex basically play their Own set of rules

WHO MAKE THEIR STATS-

[polar canyon]

What I like to say is both calyrex form stats look fan made

[solid frigate]

I'm suprised that i did not complain about Kyurem-

[autumn vault]

probably is

we will never know who made that

Or maybe it is someone who balances after a shot at the bar

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-Black

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/170/100/120/90/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

i did not complain about Kyurem for some reason

[autumn vault]

Because it isn't overwhelming

Unlike the onion on honses

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Even more BS

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

in trick room it is: Fast, very bulky and hits like a fucking truck

[solid frigate]

and it can boost its attack after a kill.

[autumn vault]

Yes but shadow rider also does it with SpA

[solid frigate]

THIS IS JUST MOXIE

[autumn vault]

With Unnerve

[molten oasis]

Ik it’s hard not to but the way you beat caly shadow is not allow it to snowball

And ice

With ice trying to stop tr from going up also helps

[solid frigate]

i'm fine with Shadow Rider cuz My Restricted Walls it if he clicks Astral Barrage

[autumn vault]

I use snarl chi-yu or a lot of dark types

And i am fine with it

But my main is weak to ice rider

[molten oasis]

Same situation with ice

Just try not to let tr go up

[solid frigate]

i have snarl Bolt and Incineroar while my restricted is Terapagos

[molten oasis]

If it does you’re just gonna have to learn how to play through tr

[solid frigate]

well the thing is,Its basically a guessing game on which One does that move,Indeedee or Calyrex

[molten oasis]

Or have some way to slow caly ice down

Indeedee is paired with caly ice? Pretty sure Fari is paired with it no?

[solid frigate]

alternate Protect, try to be bulky

[solid frigate]

i saw that A LOT

[autumn vault]

Amoonguss with 27 speed ivs does amazing against it in tr

[molten oasis]

That’s oddly specific

[autumn vault]

48 < 49

[solid frigate]

Farigaraf as well but Indeedee is also exists in Caly Ice

[molten oasis]

I see Fari way more

[solid frigate]

spore the Calyrex

[autumn vault]

Me too

[autumn vault]

[solid frigate]

but either way i can't taunt them cuz i have prankster on my mons

[molten oasis]

Wisp incin also helps, assuming it’s not Tera fire

[solid frigate]

Mostly Water what i can see

[molten oasis]

Yep

[solid frigate]

rn Zama and Korai are my worst

but there is one i am worried besides them and Calyrexes,Miraidon.

[autumn vault]

Calyrex will always be annoying

For me Miraidon is very easy to deal with if you know what you are doing

[solid frigate]

I always Calm Mind with Terapagos and Light Screen on Grimmsnarl or just tailwind with Torn and Light Screen with Grim

[autumn vault]

Imo miraidon is overhyped

[solid frigate]

Koraidon is Overhyped for me,Miraidon is ehhhhhhhh

[autumn vault]

I didn't see anyone overhyping Koraidon, i agree with miraidon

[brazen bough]

actually plenty were hyping koraidon

i personally thought miraidon would be mid

[solid frigate]

thats a bad take-

its still very good despite being overhyped

[brazen bough]

not necessarily

it was a pre reg take

[solid frigate]

also Mewtwo would have some footing if Calyrexes are not here

Cuz if you want to run a Fast Offensive Psychic Type,you go for Calyrex

Mewtwo just fall off so badly

or idk if its any good before

[molten oasis]

No

Mewtwo is just lacking as your restricted pick unfortunately

And has been for a long time

[solid frigate]

TPC:Wants Mewtwo to be the strongest Pokemon in the world

30 years later:

[molten oasis]

Lol

[solid frigate]

yeah that ain't Aged well

[molten oasis]

Fr

[solid frigate]

Pention GF to Buff Mewtwo next gen

[molten oasis]

Eh I could care less about it

[solid frigate]

same but still

[molten oasis]

Im right here plz stop pinging me lol

[solid frigate]

sorry ;-;

[torn parrot]

Ask nicely fam he couldn’t have known

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

Wdym he didn’t know

Directly Replying to messages pings you

[torn parrot]

He probably didn’t know you didn’t wanna be pinged

[molten oasis]

ah

[torn parrot]

It does it automatically as well

[molten oasis]

That is fair

[mighty stump]

You could also turn off pings on replies

[molten oasis]

Yiu can do that?

[mighty stump]

Yes

[molten oasis]

Neat

How’s snorlance going?

[mighty stump]

Haven't started

[molten oasis]

I thought you did? Was that just general experimentation?

[mighty stump]

General

[molten oasis]

I see

Man I’m tempted to play but like, now I have finals coming up so even if I were to cut my break short I have to be studying

[torn parrot]

Yeah probably good to study

[molten oasis]

At least 4 more days

As this break is meant for my mental

[torn parrot]

Before the break were you having trouble with zacian teambuilding and that’s what stressed you?

[molten oasis]

Build up of just

General frustration and disappointment

I kept lashing out

And spiraling

So it was also just, bad habits

[torn parrot]

That makes sense it sounds like you really burnt out badly

I hope you feel better

[molten oasis]

It’s also just seeing others easily get stuff to work and then I try similar things and get nothing out of it, like with howl zacian

[solid frigate]

i wish you best of Luck and Rest well Drago

[molten oasis]

Literally never got it to work but it works perfectly for others

[solid frigate]

i think i kinda did as well with Terapagos,I only got to 1300 and the gets stuck because i ave huge flaw on my team or something

[torn parrot]

To me howl never seemed like the greatest on zacian

It can’t hold a clear amulet so the gouging is forced to click howl a million times while zacian is on his own getting intimidated

[molten oasis]

Yea idt it’s the best for Zac

I like swords dance sets

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hanginthere-kitten-meme-ogmeme-mondaymotivation-gif-510367296666512288

I actually made a Zacian Tyranitar team that i haven't tested yet

[molten oasis]

Lemme find it

https://pokebin.com/d92007f82ee331d1

I plan to try this when I get off break

I built this before taking the break

[autumn vault]

Hope you do better with it

[molten oasis]

That core got me to 1500

(Zac shifu double fo)

[torn parrot]

If you have a defiant user it might discourage and punish the use of intimidators

[autumn vault]

Well i will go find if anyone has a Zekrom Path in DA in SwSh

[solid frigate]

Gapdos or Kingambit

[molten oasis]

Gapdos doesn’t really do enough for Zac beyond killing incin

And like, ig steel types

Urshifu does it better

[autumn vault]

Urshifu Rapid Strike counters literally every viable intimidator (not counting gyarados)

Gyarados is a little worse thanks to miraidon

[mighty stump]

Wow we really throwing around the word counter a lot here

[molten oasis]

urshifu is zacians best friend

Or wait, other way around

[torn parrot]

I can see how they would partner well together

[bold geode]

Counter Top
Got em

[solid frigate]

for me is just Terapagos needs Grimmsnarl,Like a lot-

[molten oasis]

Urshifu handles most of zacians weaknesses

[autumn vault]

Zekrom imo needs amoonguss and chien pao to really shine a lot

[molten oasis]

Being, yku suck into incin, fire and steel types as Zac, and then with torn rain and shifu support you can handle groudon along with all of the aforementioned

Which is Zac’s worst restricted mu imo

[torn parrot]

Groudon is definitely everyone’s least favorite

[molten oasis]

I’m working on a drawing project with them as well

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2103992317-9401r3ynmfgahw515nf1288jd19wj9wpw

Eyyyy thats pretty good

[molten oasis]

Zac and shifu are done prob going onto pao to finish

[torn parrot]

I wish you good luck luck when you start playing

[molten oasis]

I’m hoping it works out when I get back

[solid frigate]

i technically 4-2 or 4-0 it

[molten oasis]

I’m guessing you fought a specs bolt

[solid frigate]

it has a bolt

[molten oasis]

Volt switch seems to only go on choice items

[solid frigate]

yeah

the thing is that i could've wide guard and Moonblast the Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

Scouting is fine

It could have had headlong rush

[solid frigate]

yeah but earthquake Ursaluna is that common

because i thought it ran Headlong ir Horsepower

[dapper crag]

Zamazenta-Crowned [Fighting/Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Rock

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Dragon, Grass, Ice, Normal, Steel

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[torn parrot]

The queen

[timber falcon]

i cant find a partner for it

[molten oasis]

King cough

[torn parrot]

Well it likes a partner that can give it some healing that’s for sure sure

[molten oasis]

Zama’s a boy Zac is a girl (I think as it’s implied)

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom

[timber falcon]

no

[molten oasis]

Yes

[solid frigate]

King Cough Gambit Cough

Mega Bisharp

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[timber falcon]

im am not starting the game with double fire weakness

ive tried

[torn parrot]

I mean

[molten oasis]

Skill issue

No jk

Rilla gives zama recovery

[torn parrot]

It’s gonna be near impossible to make a team without two shared weaknesses

[timber falcon]

yeah but as a lead, there are problems

[molten oasis]

It literally is

[solid frigate]

me with Double Electric Weaknesses:

[timber falcon]

i might keep rilla in the back

[molten oasis]

Why are you leading zama rilla into chi yu/incin then

[autumn vault]

Then make the majority of members have the capacity to handle fire types

[molten oasis]

That actually sounds like you not piloting correctly

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

yeah not my best choices

[molten oasis]

You want rilla for passive recovery

[timber falcon]

i know

[molten oasis]

Fo pressure is also very nice for zama to get set up

[timber falcon]

but i was thinking of having rilla in the back

[molten oasis]

You can have it in the back

[timber falcon]

but now that u mention it, its fine at the front lol

ill just have a heatwave MU or smth

[molten oasis]

Yea

[timber falcon]

cause i made a team, that had like 3 overlapping weaknesses

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately that’s just normal

You will likely have 3 weaknesses to 1 types

I had to come to terms with that recently

[autumn vault]

The way to handle it is to add coverage that does good into it or have a defensively positive MU

Or add pokemon that do good into the type itself

[molten oasis]

Yea, if you have the coversge you’re usually fine

[torn parrot]

I agree, sometimes 3 weaknesses is unavoidable if the team is just stronger and better that way

It’s decently common,but it’s good if it is avoidable

[autumn vault]

3 weaknesses to 2 types is usually a bad team

[torn parrot]

not always

[autumn vault]

I said usually for a reason

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/d92007f82ee331d1 this team has overlaps

To, fire and ground I believe

Oh no just fire

[torn parrot]

Fire and rock I beleive

[molten oasis]

Not rock just fire (3)

Oh wait you’re right

[autumn vault]

3 weaknesses to 2 types, seems like a solid team

[timber falcon]

look at these overlaps

no idea wtf i was doing

https://pokepast.es/4b275011c8c6181b

fire , flying , fairy , ice

AND FIGHTING

[molten oasis]

I don’t like single strike here ngl

[timber falcon]

the team is already being re done as a whole

[torn parrot]

Yah that’s way too many overlaps

[timber falcon]

mhm like no good switch ins to any of em

[molten oasis]

Time to rebuild

[timber falcon]

im starting with zama and rilla on the team, not sure if ill be leading them

[autumn vault]

Rebuild the team

[charred saddle]

urshifu to flutter
i think rilla can go grass tera to just get ohko on flutter

then ur MU gets better

[timber falcon]

now i need fire resist as second choice, thats not also weak to ground preferably

[molten oasis]

You ohko it anyway tho?

[charred saddle]

can Switch into fighting

[charred saddle]

with glide i mean

[molten oasis]

Ah

[timber falcon]

still a shit MU swap wise

[charred saddle]

.

[timber falcon]

pivoting is hard

[molten oasis]

I think the team needs to be rebuilt

[charred saddle]

flutter to pivot on fighting

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2104011357

I could just Tera into steel but eh

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i did say im doing it rn

[charred saddle]

if its like ground u just tera

fire also tera

[timber falcon]

burning tera isnt a good way for team coverage

[molten oasis]

So I’d go rilla zama flutter rapid strike

[timber falcon]

that was fast

whats the reasoning

[charred saddle]

uhhh ok

[molten oasis]

Rapid handles fire and ground

[timber falcon]

not in sun

[molten oasis]

Flutter handles fighting

Yku don’t care about groudon

You’re an IDBP Mon

[timber falcon]

still, its threatening

[molten oasis]

@bold geode wanna tell them about how groudon isn’t exactly threatening to zama?

[timber falcon]

im being careful of crita

[molten oasis]

Or just zama things in general

[charred saddle]

dude

crit is just a small chance of things to happen

[timber falcon]

most of the time i wall groudon with zama i know, but i dont like that MU

[autumn vault]

Irom Defense spam?

[charred saddle]

would u calc every thing to crit? no

[molten oasis]

Literally iron defense spam

I played Don into monke’s team it felt pretty bad

[charred saddle]

oh hello lacius

[molten oasis]

Especially next to rilla

Sooo I wouldn’t go for that

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
Zama actually don't give a fuck about Groudon unless it's boosted

[molten oasis]

Or go out to say sun is inherently a bad mu

[timber falcon]

btw i take back the gorudon take that was wrong

[molten oasis]

It’s fine

Inti koraidon same thing

[timber falcon]

hmm no

it gets the boosts#

[molten oasis]

sigh

[solid frigate]

"I actually feel really bad for Water Types,Not you Ogerpon i do not feel bad about you"

Wolfey Ogerpon would not even use Scald if she has it

[bold geode]

Koraidon a bit different
Little more offensive, but you can EV for it still

[timber falcon]

1 hits 1.3 in sun 2 hits an extra 1.3 on top of the 100bp SE