#competitive_discussion

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solid frigate
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Also i would already do damage on Kyogre-

molten oasis
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before you tera

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again terapagos is a mon that utilizes timing

solid frigate
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i would not use Rain Dance infront of a Kyogre team-

timber falcon
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ok so i now understand, the convo is weather taerapagos walls kyogre or not

warped mason
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Not using rain dance on tornadus is throwing

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Considering there's so much weather manipulation rn

dapper crag
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PokƩmon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal
Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
molten oasis
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you are not always gonna perfectly predict when terapagos clicks tera

dapper crag
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Ability: Tera Shell

If this Pokemon is a Terapagos at full HP, the effectiveness of attacks against it is changed to 0.5 unless this Pokemon is immune to the move. Multi-hit moves retain the same effectiveness throughout the attack.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
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PokƩmon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar
Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
molten oasis
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thats just not normal

dapper crag
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Ability: Teraform Zero

Terapagos: Terastallizing ends the effects of weather and terrain. Once per battle.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
warped mason
timber falcon
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yeah rain will just return if its tornogre

solid frigate
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soooooooooo

molten oasis
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youre game plan into tornogre is removing torn then getting kyogre into a position where it cant set rain dance again

timber falcon
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i doubt a kyogre is using water spout anyway, most likely origin pulse no?

solid frigate
molten oasis
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kyogre is often scarf

timber falcon
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cause they know u can chip at them

molten oasis
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to prevent this

timber falcon
solid frigate
solid frigate
timber falcon
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u have so many teams lol

solid frigate
warped mason
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Meteor beam terapogos is pretty scary ngl

timber falcon
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it got tofu no.1 in ladder at one point im pretty sure

molten oasis
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i stil think terapagos has a more positive mu into kyogre

solid frigate
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just without the 4x weak against Dark

timber falcon
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actually, torrent, whats your MU into zama

molten oasis
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idt its the same case with groudon who doesnt necesarilly rely too heavily on sun to do the most damage

solid frigate
warped mason
timber falcon
molten oasis
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ok

dapper crag
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Grimmsnarl's moveset:
Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, False Surrender, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Lash Out, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Play Rough, Power Whip, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Revenge, Shadow Claw, Spirit Break, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Focus Energy, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Power Swap, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Trick, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Grimmsnarl.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
solid frigate
warped mason
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Kyurem white my šŸ

solid frigate
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both Kyurems are a Problem for my team

molten oasis
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im guessing kyurem is there because of turboblaze

solid frigate
warped mason
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Turboblaze having relvance is pretty cool

timber falcon
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why wouldnt it

molten oasis
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mold breaker generally doesnt have a ton of relevance usually

timber falcon
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its like mold breaker right

solid frigate
warped mason
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I mean, its not usually that impactful against most restricteds

molten oasis
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i think zac is neutral

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its positioning based

solid frigate
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honestly, if Xerneas is in this game i would Ran Xerneas instead of Terapagos

timber falcon
# solid frigate

i think u need an MU for zama. ur entire team strugglees into iron defence + redirection/wide guard

solid frigate
molten oasis
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yk

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gholdengo fits nicely on this team

solid frigate
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Koraidon i can probably be fine against if i can keep the reflect and good positioning

timber falcon
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just zama?

solid frigate
timber falcon
molten oasis
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you'd have to drop bolt probably you have fo with incin redirect with wellspring and speed control with torn

solid frigate
timber falcon
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oh ok

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oh yeah btw can rayquaza run ddance instead of sd

molten oasis
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theres better ddance/set up mons to use

solid frigate
molten oasis
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ik its fine

timber falcon
solid frigate
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ahem Zekrom

molten oasis
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zacian, zama, lunala, terapagos

timber falcon
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???

solid frigate
molten oasis
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im not refering to ddance specifically

timber falcon
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oh ok

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ive used 2 out of those 4

molten oasis
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ray also just, meh

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its speed tier sucks

timber falcon
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so i think ill actually use taerapagos for once

solid frigate
timber falcon
solid frigate
timber falcon
molten oasis
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theyre equal

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cuz theyre both equally mid

timber falcon
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mhm

solid frigate
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yeah but Zekrom feels more better now i see someone uses it

timber falcon
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u mean lycopoky

molten oasis
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sure whatever

solid frigate
timber falcon
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its a bsic set. nothing special tbh, just set up and sweep

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rayquaza can do that

molten oasis
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when i come back im sticking with zac btw so you'll rarely see me do nothing unique

solid frigate
molten oasis
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oh the big thing with ray is just, dnite outclasses it imo

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inner focus is so good

timber falcon
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Btw is meteor beam pagos the only way to go.

solid frigate
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I'm Still sticking With Terapagos cuz Kyogre Fall Off,Miraidon is too fast for my liking and Lunala is just- idk how to master trick room

molten oasis
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lefties calm mind is the better set imo

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i dont like getting walled by wide guard

timber falcon
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Iā€™m feeling stellar and earth power with prot and calm mind

molten oasis
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thats standard

solid frigate
timber falcon
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And maybe just maybe a partner that has feint

molten oasis
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mienshao

solid frigate
timber falcon
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I feel like Hitmon top actually here

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Cause of intim

molten oasis
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sure

solid frigate
molten oasis
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i just think mienshao is better

timber falcon
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Hitmon is the only one with intim+feint

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Which I think is valuable for pagos

molten oasis
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just run incin

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and mienshao

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you dont need that much compression in 1 mon

timber falcon
solid frigate
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i used Incin and its good against Koraidon Teams when i fake out and set up calm Mind for Terapagos

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heck i trolled a Koraidon team with Just Tornadus,Ogerpon and Amoonguss before

timber falcon
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Thatā€™s some shit koraidon pilot then icl

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Koraidon feels so hard to use for me idk why

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I think itā€™s the only mon in comp that Iā€™ve actually just given up in using for good

solid frigate
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maybe i should add Tornadus but eh

molten oasis
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ok, probably not gonna be in here for the rest of the day, i think i need to just not be in here lol

solid frigate
molten oasis
solid frigate
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better version

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bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
solid frigate
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lol

fluid fiber
solid frigate
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OK I CAN COOK

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Incineroar should not have these EVs

solid frigate
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Flutter Mane Looks Off

bold geode
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I have a feeling it shouldn't lmao

solid frigate
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Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 96 HP / 168 Def / 100 SpA / 20 SpD / 124 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Shadow Ball
  • Mystical Fire
fluid fiber
solid frigate
fluid fiber
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I feel like mystical fire isn't as useful with Chi-Yu as a partner

solid frigate
fluid fiber
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Oh gotcha

solid frigate
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you don't need to copy the Moves

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well the last one anyways

fluid fiber
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Any members of the team that don't seem viable or high-synergy or are all six good

solid frigate
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I would Replace Chi Yu with Grimmsnarl for more bulk for Terapagos

fluid fiber
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Flutter seems a bit off to me on the team but I'm not sure what I'd swap with

true niche
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finally! an interesting team that isnt incin, urshifu, rillaboom etc etc

bold geode
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COMFEY APE LFG

solid frigate
fluid fiber
solid frigate
fluid fiber
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Ah break is over back to work - will think on changes and touch back later

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Ty for the help and suggestions

elder python
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can someone help me teambuild

solid frigate
elder python
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idk

undone sage
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Every time I do the server gets quiet. When I take it off there are 4473883 pings

bold geode
solid frigate
undone sage
elder python
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idk how to show team

bold geode
solid frigate
elder python
solid frigate
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also Meowscarda>Cinderace

elder python
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i think heā€™s very cool

solid frigate
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yeah,consider there are more fire types you can use

elder python
solid frigate
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but singles i can't help

elder python
solid frigate
elder python
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oh ok

solid frigate
torn parrot
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i got my zammy wammy to top shmammy

crystal pecan
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What rental teams best for sword and shield battle tower? I need one

bold geode
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Damn this crazy

bitter heart
cyan smelt
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doesn't work with leon's charizard

bitter heart
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Thatā€™s what the 2 other pokemon slots are for poliwhirlkek

crystal pecan
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I used a timid mint but charmanders nature didn't change

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Is there a reason why

bitter heart
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It doesnā€™t change the nature, only the stats

crystal pecan
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M8 I read online it changes natures

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Of like the mons

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How the heck do people change the nature then?

bitter heart
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You donā€™t

crystal pecan
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I heard people can change if a Pokemon is like adamant or careful for example

bitter heart
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The nature is set in stone and can never be changed. Mints only change the stat increase/decrease from it

crystal pecan
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Ooh I think I understand now

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I'm sorry this is my first time

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Still trying to get used to it all yk?

broken cape
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I have been getting destroyed by teams with regidrago any advice ?

elder python
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can someone help me singles ou pvp?

charred saddle
foggy lodge
timber falcon
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Regidrago? Havenā€™t heard of it in a while

foggy lodge
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Teams with TR and Tailwind at the same time

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(obviously not setting both at the same time, but having two ways to make Regidrago move faster

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Things like snarl can help a lot

timber falcon
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Most effective way to deal with it is just fairy types tbh, throws it off

foggy lodge
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Tera Fairy Assault Vest Regidrago

foggy lodge
timber falcon
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The goal is to make it stop using dragon energy, foamy types will do that, enabling chip

foggy lodge
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I don't think trying to KO it fast is the best way

dapper crag
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PokƩmon No. 895: Regidrago
Type

Dragon

Abilities

Dragon's Maw

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

200/100/50/100/50/80

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
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But trying to not let him do his insane amounts of damage

timber falcon
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Itā€™s mid without dragon energy

foggy lodge
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Play it slow

timber falcon
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All it takes is like one good hit to mitigate its damage output tbh

foggy lodge
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What other moves it uses?

timber falcon
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Flash canon, earth power, Draco sometimes pulse I think

fluid fiber
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Alt use fake out and a hit that's neutral to both Dragon and Steel or even better a CC to force a lose lose

dapper crag
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Regidrago's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Fang, Outrage, Reversal, Scale Shot, Take Down, Thrash, Thunder Fang, Vise Grip

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Energy, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Light Screen, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Regidrago.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
fluid fiber
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Leave it at like 50% HP for a cleanup late game

foggy lodge
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Draco Meteor/Dragon pulse

timber falcon
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But it will always almost have earth power btw

fluid fiber
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Fighting type ^

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Mienshao sweeps

timber falcon
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Sweeps Regidrago?

fluid fiber
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Wide guard, CC, fake out

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It's really hard to deal with it if it has a reliable partner

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Like a flutter

timber falcon
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Fake out isnā€™t gonna help much but I can see wide guard helping

fluid fiber
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Fake out leads to Flutter being able to clean up under TR still

foggy lodge
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Giraffe

timber falcon
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Deedee will be there half the time

fluid fiber
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I mean sure but at that point you have 4 other slots

timber falcon
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Itā€™s normally torn and deedee on the team

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They make it work

fluid fiber
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Hmm

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CC, wide guard, and a partner with spread like dazzling

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Carry an Incin for knock off pressure too

timber falcon
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Wide guard is enough tbh

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Then chip with whatever else u have

fluid fiber
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^

next stump
timber falcon
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My knowledge of what people look like is lacking

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Which ones yotam

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Back left is gotta be Gotham chess though

next stump
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yotam is back right

bold geode
timber falcon
upbeat quail
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Can I just give another shoutout to Mienshao? Iā€™ve been sleeping on this mon

cyan smelt
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mienshao and caly-i is busted

fluid fiber
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How's sableye compared to grimm?

cyan smelt
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can't get faked out so it has that going for it but it's frailer

fluid fiber
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Hmm

cyan smelt
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has gravity too

fluid fiber
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Was thinking quash could be really solid

timber falcon
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Sabelye is more annoying Iā€™d say, grim is just hard to get rid of

cyan smelt
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flutter deals with sableye pretty easily

timber falcon
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Yeah but sabelye ALWAYS gets to do something

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U canā€™t stop it from impacting the game at all, it might screen, protect + disable

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At least you can FO grim

fluid fiber
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What set would you run

timber falcon
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252/156/100

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Pretty basic, moves are versatile

upbeat quail
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Mienshao+Groudon is also a good pick. Feint and Coaching enables Groudon to clap

timber falcon
timber falcon
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And yeah torn is probs gonna taunt

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That meinshao

upbeat quail
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Thatā€™s okay. Heat crash kills torn.

fluid fiber
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Mental Herb?

timber falcon
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Speaking logically, if grooudon gets the sun, they rain dance first

upbeat quail
timber falcon
cyan smelt
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man so much to watch out for, caly-i + mienshao, kyogre + farig, caly-s + chi-yu

timber falcon
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Yeah spatckers hitting hard these days

upbeat quail
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Yeah rain dance does mess things up a bit. I usually run my support flutter against opposing torns just in case. Taunt and icy wind is nice

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ā€¦actually idk why I just donā€™t run a torn. Iā€™d have a second sun setter that way

timber falcon
fluid fiber
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How's this looking? EVs I have to do after work

cyan smelt
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i want to run hisuian goodra but i don't know who to pair with it

fluid fiber
timber falcon
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Body press goodra?

cyan smelt
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yeah

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  • heavy slam for tera fairy caly-s
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or maybe life dew idk

timber falcon
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Itā€™s better for pagos

fluid fiber
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Over what?

upbeat quail
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I saw a hisui goodra running ice spinner earlier. It wasā€¦ something

timber falcon
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And tbh for this reg, foul play is looking nice

dapper crag
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PokƩmon No. 706: Goodra-Hisui
Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Gooey (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/100/110/150/60

Total

600

Base Species

Goodra

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
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Goodra-Hisui's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bide, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Counter, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Feint, Fire Punch, Flail, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heavy Slam, Ice Spinner, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Outrage, Poison Tail, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Skitter Smack, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Punch

Special Moves

Absorb, Acid Spray, Blizzard, Bubble, Chilling Water, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Infestation, Mud Shot, Muddy Water, Round, Shock Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Steel Beam, Surf, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Acid Armor, Attract, Charm, Confide, Curse, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Life Dew, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Shelter, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tearful Look, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Goodra-Hisui.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
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And balanced attack

cyan smelt
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knock off, neat

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shelter, body press, knock off, protect

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also need to watch out for final gambit ape and coaching ape

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why does coaching work through protect and can't be redirected

dapper crag
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Move: Shelter

Raises the user's Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Steel

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

ā€”

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

ā€‹

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
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oh it was nerfed i see

cyan smelt
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yeah it's basically just acid armour now

dapper crag
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Move: Acid Armor

Raises the user's Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Poison

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

ā€”

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

ā€‹

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
cyan smelt
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but better because of encore

timber falcon
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oh there are many of those moves

cyan smelt
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iron def too

timber falcon
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mhm, does it get all 3?

cyan smelt
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i think acid armour and shelter

timber falcon
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nlo iron defence is criminal

crystal pecan
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How do you make a pokemon get its other abillty?

timber falcon
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ability patch or ability capsule

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for hidden abilities u need patch

crystal pecan
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Sigh I'm gonna have to buy the dlc aren't I

timber falcon
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is it? an ability patch?

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its not

cyan smelt
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yeah in swsh it is

crystal pecan
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No I mean the one for hidden abilities

crystal pecan
cyan smelt
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in swsh you can only buy one in the crown tundra for 200 dynite ore

timber falcon
crystal pecan
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I meant sword and shield, sorry

cyan smelt
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wait, you can also get hidden ability mons from raid dens

crystal pecan
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That sucks though

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How much is the dlc?

smoky hawk
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I wasn't able to see the 2nd half of today. How's Wolfe doing?

cyan smelt
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apparently he went 7-1

chrome knot
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7-2

bold geode
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7-2

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Was 7-1, lost R9

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Yotam also made Day 2

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7-2 as well

chrome knot
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my favourites made day 2

bold geode
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Also a couple friends on another server made day 2 as well

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But most importantly

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Take a look at this man's

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chrome knot
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i know

bold geode
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This is peak male design

chrome knot
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he gave me a big hug when i walked on byGiggleHehe

bold geode
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Nothing will get more manlier than this

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I'm just sad that Chance Hinds missed out
Comfey Ape in Day 2 would've been pog

cyan smelt
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he's in the showdown vgc room, he's been set on using ape lol

bold geode
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Who me or Chance

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If it's me, then brother
Chance been playing Comfey Ape for a MINUTE
And as for me

cyan smelt
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chance i meant

bold geode
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But no, Chance Hinds has been on that Comfey Ape stuff for a HOT MINUTE now
I've seen him use it in countless Limitless tournaments throughout Reg F and he won a Reg G tour I hosted with a team that had Lugia in Goltres spot

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Teams not bad, it's just like 2 facts

  1. Not a lot of upfront damage pressure if any
  2. You sometimes have to pull wins out your ass, especially if you lose your "raid boss" early on
cyan smelt
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annihilape can be busted if you take enough damage lol

bold geode
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Yeah, but people often ignore it cuz of that
That's a very easy work around tbh
Which Chance in Game 1 considered and actually played out for too, being the reason why he Glided twice into his side slot

cyan smelt
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does he run bulk up ape or not

bold geode
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Yup

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Comfey Ape runs Bulk Up or usually it does with this style team

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The initial goal is to create a literal raid boss that is crazy hard to remove
And Comfey helps with that a bunch

cyan smelt
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oh yeah that's another thing i gotta watch out for in reg g, comfey terapagos

bold geode
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Oh yeah

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But Comfey Terapagos is scary
Comfey Ape is definitely like a play around lmao

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Like idk about Chance's experiences, but for me
That style team fucking HATES Chi Flutter

cyan smelt
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anyone know how perth went

bold geode
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šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

elder python
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can someone help me with a single ou team?

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preferably non legendary

cyan smelt
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monke why have i lost two games with your team

solid frigate
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Positioning

solid frigate
bold geode
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If it's Comfey Ape, don't beat yourself up
That team is a bitch to pilot tbh

cyan smelt
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no it's the monkc team

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and why am i getting so many communication errors

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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no people are ragequitting and using the trick where you don't lose rank if you disconnect right away when you don't like the matchup

solid frigate
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i beat someone's strat and they disconnected so i get you

cyan smelt
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also monke's team is good

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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it's in rentals

solid frigate
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ok

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hmmmm

cyan smelt
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why is rank 10 so hard

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also i keep getting crit and it's really annoying

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i keep losing wtf

strange fjord
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someone is stuck at ultra ball purgatory. my condolences

torn parrot
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Ultra ball?

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Oh I see ultra ball

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At least you canā€™t fall out

cyan smelt
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i keep losing

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blizzard kept landing even without snow

strange fjord
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i wish you the best of luck in your battles

cyan smelt
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why is everyone wolfe ffs

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tera grass flutter wtf

strange fjord
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Close Team Sheets ladder moment

cyan smelt
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bo1 is bullshit

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when am i going to win

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i'm tired of the cheese

strange fjord
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i like cheese when its on a pizza

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or when im winning with the silly

cyan smelt
#

tera fairy archaludon, i hate this bullshit

strange fjord
#

dont like, most archaludon run fairy?

cyan smelt
#

i'm losing every game i'm playing with this team

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i hate this

bold geode
#

Odd, did ladder get harder real quick again? Was real easy for me to make it, actually easier than other times, which is weird

cyan smelt
#

maybe all the sweats are playing it in the middle of the month or maybe i'm garbage

bold geode
#

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

cyan smelt
#

ground tera flutter wtaf

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what is this bullshit

bold geode
#

Oh that is something I believe from late Reg E possibly

cyan smelt
#

i'm sucking with this team

fluid fiber
#

Trying to finish up this team to make it ING

molten oasis
#

Check this out

IMG_2273.jpg
cyan smelt
#

why is it so hard to get to master ball

true niche
fluid fiber
cyan smelt
#

no master ball rank

fluid fiber
#

Oh lmao

#

Fair - building my ladder team rn

cyan smelt
#

tired of all the cheese

fluid fiber
#

You want cheese?

cyan smelt
#

no i've had enough of cheese

fluid fiber
#

My meme ladder team ^

willow vault
#

If the goal is to keep PokĆ©mon trapped in why not use sand tomb, itā€™s a meme team so like whatā€™s there to lose

cyan smelt
#

i'm sick of bo1 bullshit

willow vault
#

Then play bo3, to make your life easier

cyan smelt
#

i want to get to master ball for the rewards

willow vault
#

Oh

cyan smelt
#

i did it, made master ball

willow vault
#

Nice

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What team did you use?

cyan smelt
#

monke's rental

willow vault
#

Very nice

cyan smelt
#

i'm honestly tempted to use skeledirge for reg g with all the stat boosts going around

willow vault
#

Skeledirge?

cyan smelt
#

it has unaware

willow vault
#

Why not use something like dondozo then

cyan smelt
#

don't like dozo

willow vault
willow vault
timber falcon
#

Who won Orlando?

cyan smelt
#

who won perth

willow vault
#

Orlandoā€™s already happened? Oh I missed it

timber falcon
#

Oh wait no

mighty stump
#

šŸ’€

timber falcon
#

Day 2 is today mb

willow vault
#

You really made me think I missed the entire tournament

#

Anything interesting in meta game developments for reg g?

timber falcon
#

šŸ‘»+šŸ“

mighty stump
#

Nothing my blogpost has missed yet

willow vault
willow vault
timber falcon
#

What about ditto teams

mighty stump
#

theres no such thing as a "ditto" team

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Just teams with DItto on it

timber falcon
#

Teams that feature ditto

#

Are they considered gimmicks

mighty stump
#

You wouldnt really call Balance teams "Incineroar teams"

timber falcon
#

Yeah I know I worded it wrong

willow vault
#

Wasnā€™t ditto used in swsh to get 2 attack boosts by copying zacians

timber falcon
#

Yep

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or to have 2 restricted mons on field (yours and opponents)

dull ibex
#

Hello

mighty stump
#

IT's such a weird concept to me that Yotam is friends with Wolfe

timber falcon
#

A they different or something?

#

Just seem like they have vgc in common

mighty stump
#

Yeah but realistically top VGC players are in different friend groups/circles

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and typically

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You can't just easily get in touch and stay in a hotel room with Wolfe and Justin Carris

timber falcon
#

Guess that makes sense

timber falcon
#

Any ideas for choice scarf Koraidon moveset?

dapper crag
#
Koraidon's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Collision Course, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Drain Punch, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Outrage, Reversal, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Fang, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Koraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
cyan smelt
#

why scarf koraidon

timber falcon
#

Fast šŸ§¹

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It still OHKOs incin btw

#

All i got rn are flare blitz, collision, and u turn

#

The last move is tricky

cyan smelt
#

dragon claw?

timber falcon
#

Yeah I was thinking of it, but then gain more from breaking swipe

dapper crag
#
Move: Breaking Swipe

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

ā€‹

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
#

But then thereā€™s the bp

cyan smelt
#

you'll need to watch out for chien pao + opposing e-speed

mighty stump
#

Prio spam has far died down already

#

Every team running the strongest Ghost-type in the game paired with Psychic Terrain or Farigiraf

knotty mirage
#

I seen alot of rayquaza e speed recently

mighty stump
#

Define a lot

timber falcon
#

I struggle with tailwind teams using korai

timber falcon
mighty stump
#

Cause ive seen like 3 Rayquazas across 300+ games

timber falcon
#

Yeah theyā€™re pretty rare tbh

cyan smelt
#

is scarf for the caly-s and miraidon mus

knotty mirage
mighty stump
#

Caly-S/Miraidon/Kyogre/Groudon

timber falcon
#

I see caly-ice and mienshao pretty often too

#

Also is eruption groudon viable

mighty stump
#

no lol

timber falcon
#

Yeah cause I lost to it

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Was just thinking if I could use

#

Also is it worth learning how to play different play styles

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Cause I really struggle playing HO

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And itā€™s a problem

mighty stump
#

Yea its worth lol

timber falcon
#

But how do I get better

#

I literally failed to utilise caly-s

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Which isnā€™t a good start

#

Cause isnā€™t the things you consider different?

mighty stump
#

Lol

#

You play different playstyles to understand the strengths and weaknesses of every archetype/mon and how they all interact and what are the options that work and don't work against you

timber falcon
#

Hmm so I should try them all is what ur saying

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To understand them

mighty stump
#

If you stick with only one archetype it's just more difficult to understand the perspective of your oppopnents lol

timber falcon
#

Oh yeah, what does archetype actually mean?

#

I know what itā€™s supposed to represent, (I think)

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Itā€™s things like Tingp2 right

ember linden
mighty stump
#

Terapagos is free

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So good

ember linden
#

I got that part lol

timber falcon
#

Tofu runs the meteor beam one right

ember linden
#

Yeah

timber falcon
#

What happens when wide guard

mighty stump
#

Who said I tera'd?

timber falcon
#

Oh the plan isnā€™t to tera?

dull ibex
#

Honestly learning balance instead of hardcore relying on hyper offense helped me alot I think?

timber falcon
dull ibex
#

Learning archetypes isn't concrete rules either helped

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Offensive balance is fantastic fun

mighty stump
knotty mirage
dull ibex
#

I was shown I can still play as aggressive as I want to play but have access to slower play as well

timber falcon
timber falcon
#

Itā€™s why my 2 teams are lunala and zama, respectively bulky but hit hard

dull ibex
#

It was pulling teeth to get me to get it though ngl

#

I need to play teams that have a video guide on how to use them

#

I like teams that also revolve gameplans around one or two mons that come to most every game

#

It's very nice to have some stuff simplified a tiny bit

timber falcon
dull ibex
#

What one or two mons?

timber falcon
#

Yeah

dull ibex
#

No alot of teams are very free-form

timber falcon
#

Oh?

dull ibex
#

And nuanced, vgc is a brutally hard game imo at a higher level

timber falcon
#

Even in the restricted format?

#

Free form

dull ibex
#

Free form in your gameplan

#

They can be.

timber falcon
#

Oh I never knew that

mighty stump
dull ibex
#

I cant speak on singles and how hard jt is tbh

timber falcon
#

Singles is hell

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So I left to doubles

dull ibex
#

I assume it's just pokemon is a deceptively complex game at a high level

timber falcon
timber falcon
mighty stump
#

not really either

#

Some winning teams were picked up 3 nights before lol

timber falcon
#

Wait what

dull ibex
#

Yeah

#

Hasn't Wolfe had a few very last minute teams

timber falcon
#

Iā€™ll never be able to team build like that GengarSad

dull ibex
#

Not with that mindset

#

But also you kinda don't need too

timber falcon
#

No no one day I do plan on going to a regional

#

Itā€™s one of my ā€œlife goalsā€ if you might say

mighty stump
#

I think

#

A lot of the things that hold people back

#

Is a lot of the mental attitude they approach the game with

#

And poor habits that they do not think is "a big deal"

timber falcon
#

Like what

dull ibex
#

Never using the safe play

#

šŸ¤š

mighty stump
#
  • Black and white thinking
  • "It works so it's fine"
  • "Wow this shit is so cheese it's so stupid"
dull ibex
#

Blaming the game is a giant obstacle I've seen alot of people here in the past block

mighty stump
#

Letting bias insist upon their opinions

dull ibex
#

Not stopping to think is one imo

#

Knee jerk reactions that lead to sloppy plays āœ‹

#

Of course I've seen players who are quite competent at playing but just don't see it because of insecurity that sucks to see.

mild wolf
#

If you go tera ice, do you gain the boosts from snow?

mighty stump
#

You do.

timber falcon
mighty stump
#

This sucks, this is better

#

It's just opinion vomit

#

Without any room for discussion or thinking

#

And a lot of you are very guilty of it

timber falcon
#

Ok so I shouldā€™ve say/think something is bad?

#

Unless I have experience with it

mighty stump
#

You shuold be able to back up every opinion you have with reasonings

timber falcon
#

Ok ok, and Iā€™m assuming the cheese one is the bias against mons like caly-s

mighty stump
#

Doesn't matter

timber falcon
#

Oh ok

#

When team building, how do you know which set benefits you the most?

#

Cause in Orlando i saw AV Ursh and banded Ursh, what stopped them from using the most common sets? I know they were very good mons in the end. But whatā€™s the reasonings.

mighty stump
#

It's all micro-adjustments

#

Maybe youu need the extra damage in a single turn

#

Maybe you need the survivability and flexibility

timber falcon
#

Ok so itā€™s what you prefer

#

Rather than whatā€™s used most

#

I think one of my mistakes is ALWAYS going basic and most used sets then, maybe I need to switch things up

mighty stump
#

Anyways Terapagos gaming while testing

image.png
#

in Bo3, 19-4 in sets atm

mighty stump
#

Again, at the end of the day it's all about reasoning

timber falcon
#

I know but I usually donā€™t even think about how the set helps

#

Just ā€œok now thisā€ cause I assume it works

mighty stump
#

Like i've been saying

#

You need to be able to have relevant reasonings behind your choices

timber falcon
#

Got it

polar nest
#

6 for 8 with this team

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polar canyon
#

Timid kyogre in tailwind barely outspeeding booster speed/scarf 135 is annoying

polar canyon
upbeat quail
#

Iā€™m not sold on flutter lane here. Yā€™all got any recs?

timber falcon
timber falcon
polar canyon
timber falcon
upbeat quail
#

Yuh

timber falcon
#

To OHKO

polar nest
timber falcon
# polar nest 6W 2L

Oh ok thatā€™s pretty good, even though Iā€™d still take moth off that team

polar canyon
#

It kinda has that urshifu situation where tera water is good enough defensively

polar nest
timber falcon
#

No not really, itā€™s a rain team with iron moth

polar canyon
#

What

polar nest
#

rain?

#

its not rain team

timber falcon
#

I mean u got torn and shifu, is it a sun team?

polar nest
#

no

polar canyon
#

Actually a team with urshifu water and thundy t might as well be a rain team

timber falcon
polar canyon
#

Just take off the moth and you're set

polar nest
#

not a weather team

upbeat quail
#

So Iā€™m struggling to figure out if I wanna run AV on incin and meadow plate on Rilla so I can drop High horsepower for taunt.

timber falcon
polar nest
timber falcon
#

Whereā€™s the synergy

polar nest
polar canyon
#

What does moth do that you can't do with like chi yu + flutter

polar nest
polar nest
#

when miraidon becomes legal it will be a better team

polar canyon
#

I get using something because it's one of your favorites but at least use it in a way it's justified over something else

polar nest
#

but reg g isnt out

#

i just kinda threw a bunch a built mons together that i thought would work and it is kinda working lol

polar canyon
#

4 attacks lefties iron leaves?

#

Tera poison?

polar nest
#

i should use av shouldnt I

polar nest
timber falcon
#

Use av if no prot

polar canyon
polar nest
#

cuz grass psychic is a mess

polar canyon
#

And also what's av helping you survive

polar nest
timber falcon
polar nest
#

yea true

polar canyon
#

If you're gonna use it might as well use sash or life orb

polar nest
#

ok

timber falcon
#

More like what does iron leaves do for the team

polar canyon
#

It's going for high damage with quark drive boosted e terrain boosted psyblade

polar nest
#

yea

polar canyon
#

So I'd say orb or sash

polar nest
#

i put sash

timber falcon
#

Sash looks good

polar canyon
#

Sash because like everything in the meta can hurt it a lot

timber falcon
#

Especially both calys

polar nest
#

yea thats why i put tera poison so it cant get hurt as bad

polar canyon
#

Calyrex other calyrex lunala zacian koraidon

timber falcon
polar canyon
#

And both calyrex can still hurt poison well

timber falcon
#

Run an offensive Tera, itā€™s sash anyway

polar nest
#

tru

polar canyon
#

You can still use a more defensive tera

timber falcon
#

Like what

polar nest
#

i think i might stick poison

polar canyon
#

Use an offensive tera if you know what ohkos you're picking up only with tera

polar nest
#

ok hmm tera grass or psychic?

timber falcon
#

Doesnā€™t have to be either

dapper crag
#
PokƩmon No. 1010: Iron Leaves
Types

Grass/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/130/88/70/108/104

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
#

Actually, itā€™s bulk is alright

#

Might not have to run sash tbh

polar canyon
#

But not the typing defensively

polar nest
#

yea good sp def

timber falcon
polar nest
#

yea thats why i run poison

timber falcon
#

I think dark helps

polar nest
#

kinda like exeggutor

timber falcon
#

Dark Tera night slash

polar canyon
#

Still getting hit by expanding force and high horsepower from calyrex

#

Precipice blades from heat crash groudon

polar nest
#

expanding wont hit tho

timber falcon
#

Heā€™s talking poison Tera

polar nest
#

ah

#

i have sacred sword for archaludon

polar canyon
#

You don't really need it to resist most types that poison resists

#

It's like just bug really

timber falcon
#

Poison Tera doesnā€™t help it at all does it

polar nest
#

yea and bug types...

#

yea

timber falcon
#

Oh yeah quad, what big type move is there that is used

polar canyon
#

It resists grass, fighting, poison

#

All types leaves is obviously weak against

polar nest
#

so either dark or fighting

dapper crag
#
Iron Leaves [Grass/Psychic]
Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fighting, Grass, Ground, Psychic, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Fairy, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Poison

Weak (4x)

Bug

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
timber falcon
#

Those are a lot of weaknesses

polar canyon
#

If possible just don't use iron leaves

#

Even boulder might be better

polar nest
#

i do kinda want to tho hmm

polar canyon
#

But not by too much

timber falcon
#

But why, reasoning

polar canyon
polar nest
#

terrain boosted psyblade and i do want some spore immunity

polar canyon
#

It doesn't hit a lot that miraidon doesn't already hit

polar canyon
timber falcon
dapper crag
#
Move: Electric Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Electric Terrain. During the effect, the power of Electric-type attacks made by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3 and grounded Pokemon cannot fall asleep; Pokemon already asleep do not wake up. Grounded Pokemon cannot become affected by Yawn or fall asleep from its effect. Camouflage transforms the user into an Electric type, Nature Power becomes Thunderbolt, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause paralysis. Fails if the current terrain is Electric Terrain.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

ā€”

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

ā€‹

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
polar canyon
#

Spore immunity should be the least of your worries

timber falcon
#

Unless Rilla

polar nest
#

yea but its an elec terrain team

polar canyon
#

You don't have to be focusing on using future paradox just because you have the terrain

polar nest
#

rilla wouldnt make sense

polar canyon
#

No the point is

#

Electric terrain gives spore immunity

polar nest
timber falcon
#

Iā€™m not saying to use Rilla, Iā€™m saying what if ur against it

polar nest
polar canyon
polar nest
#

ok

#

well i do want to run miraidon iron moth

polar canyon
#

You can still do fwg but use like ogerpon or something

polar nest
#

alr

#

maybe i should run flutter?

polar canyon
#

I don't see why not

polar nest
#

ok

timber falcon
#

but why

#

why flutter

polar nest
#

Rewind (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Shadow Ball
  • Protect
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Moonblast
#

cuz he good

timber falcon
#

no dont use that

polar nest
#

ok

timber falcon
#

also being good isnt a reason

polar nest
#

tru

#

hmm what should i use?

grizzled bronze
timber falcon
#

depends, what helps the team as a whole

#

think about coverage or MUs

#

u want to centre around moth right, what are its weaknesses

dapper crag
#
PokƩmon No. 994: Iron Moth
Types

Fire/Poison

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/60/140/110/110

Total

570

Weight (Low Kick BP)

36kg (60 BP)

Height

1.2m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Yellow

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
#
Iron Moth [Fire/Poison]
Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Fire, Ice, Poison, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Psychic, Rock, Water

Weak (4x)

Ground

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
polar nest
#

yellow?

#

psychic rock water ground

timber falcon
#

whats the full team again?

polar nest
polar canyon
#

Urshifu should cover for lando mostly

polar nest
#

yea

dull ibex
#

hello I return

polar canyon
#

Hey

polar nest
#

kingambit defeats psychic mons

polar canyon
#

I think you have to look at groudon

polar nest
#

isnt he restricted tho?

polar canyon
#

I thought you were planning for restricted

polar nest
#

yea

#

but i alr have miraidon

polar canyon
#

You have to plan for groudon

polar nest
#

ah

timber falcon
#

3 ground weaknesses

#

and only one mon who call effectively kill a ground type

polar nest
#

i think i need a grass type

timber falcon
#

groudon has a field day

polar canyon
#

Ogerpon helps

timber falcon
#

why is tornshifu on this team

polar nest
#

torn for speed control urshi is the ground counter

timber falcon
#

which one

polar canyon
#

Stellar/dragon scarf draco meteor can ohko non av groudon

polar canyon
polar nest
#

tru

timber falcon
#

and rain is a no go, cause moth is the centre of the team

polar nest
#

my thought was solar beam venu

timber falcon
#

but u aint running sun

polar nest
#

but if my opponent runs sun

polar canyon
#

And if you run sun might as well run groudon or koraidon yourself with a booster speed heat wave moth

timber falcon
polar nest
#

yea

polar nest
grizzled bronze
timber falcon
polar nest
#

ok rebuilding time

polar canyon
#

That does mean you need a new lando answer

polar nest
#

yea

#

hmm groudon or koraidon

#

i think ill use groudon

timber falcon
#

so is it s sun team now?

polar nest
#

i think imma do that yea

timber falcon
#

why gorudon though, over koriadon

polar nest
#

is koraidon better?

timber falcon
#

its not about better, what helps moth

polar nest
#

ah

#

i dont think i need acid spray anymore

timber falcon
#

groudon helps better (moths weaknesses) , but just look into things when building

polar canyon
polar nest
#

ok

timber falcon
#

that works

polar canyon
#

Like worse chi yu

timber falcon
#

but chi-yu doesnt get acid spray, so a different mon

polar canyon
#

Chi yu passively boosts flutters damage

timber falcon
#

i know, but both mons in these cases do different things, chi-yu also makes flutter weaker we cant forget that

polar nest
#

maybe i should run a proto user?

timber falcon
#

i means its a sun team so yeah it benefits

polar canyon
#

Yeah

polar nest
#

flutter, or one of the legends

polar canyon
#

Bolt is good

polar nest
#

im thinking wake would be good

polar canyon
#

Hurts kyogre

#

Keep in mind that kyogre is pretty dangerous

polar nest
#

maybe bolt and wake?

#

yea

polar canyon
#

I think just bolt is good

timber falcon
#

moth and bolt lose to ground

polar nest
#

yea maybe wake and a grass type?

#

cuz wake can at least function in rain

timber falcon
#

for this reg, snarl ting lu is good right

polar nest
#

solar beam on moth?

next stump
#

Yotam is 9-2 letā€™s go

#

3 more wins and heā€™s in cut

atomic mural
polar nest
timber falcon
#

also i won a game with these 4 alone

polar nest
#

nice

polar canyon
timber falcon
polar canyon
#

It's dead to bleakwind anyways

#

Neither should you be using sun aqua jet on the special walking wake I think

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Might as well put sunny day on torn too

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It's good to have if you're up against kyogre or any weather

atomic mural
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idk what they were cooking

polar canyon
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Protect band also seems odd

timber falcon
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been a while since ive seen moonblast tera fairy specs flutter

atomic mural
polar canyon
atomic mural
upbeat quail
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Iā€™m quickly finding that mienshao is yet another victim of the 4 move syndrome

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I wanna run everything on it šŸ˜¦

polar canyon
atomic mural
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Im just stumped on the final 2

polar canyon
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The game was funny

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Nothing is final

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Except that I want miraidon + chi yu

amber radish
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Anyone know what the fastest pokemon with dragon tail is?

foggy lodge
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Why does Koraidon has protect choice band?

mighty stump
amber radish
polar canyon
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The answer is probably dragapult tho

foggy lodge
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Lilligant-H with focus sash so it doesn't get erased by everything

mighty stump
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? Why are you running Sleep Talk + Dragon Tail?

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This sounds extremely inefficient

polar nest
foggy lodge
amber radish
polar nest
amber radish
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im doing singles btw

foggy lodge
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i didn't know that

polar canyon
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Dragon tail without negative priority would be way too good

mighty stump
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Unless it's a Fairy? or Sleep Talk doesn't pick Dragon Tail

foggy lodge
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Ah that explains why those are bad moves

polar canyon
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Forcing an opponent out before they move would just make them not move + take damage

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And being able to do that nonstop

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Would be broken

polar nest
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ok

amber radish
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Hol up If sleep talk selects a move with 90% accuracy is there still a chance it misses or will it hit since sleep talk is 100% accuracy?

polar canyon
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It misses

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Sleep talk fissure snorlax would be pretty damn good otherwise

polar nest
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focus sash on lilligant H and av and crunch over prot on koraidon

amber radish
gentle cragBOT
foggy lodge
polar canyon
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Woo Gen Rep

polar nest
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Aver?

foggy lodge
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What do you want to do specifically?

polar nest
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sun iron moth

foggy lodge
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What archetype is that team? A sun team?

polar canyon
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Av isn't really a thing you can slap on any pokemon like you think it is

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It's easy to think that

polar nest
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hmm ok

foggy lodge
polar nest
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so what should i run on koraidon?

polar nest
foggy lodge
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Those are sure picks to the team i think

polar canyon
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Scarf, band, life orb

foggy lodge
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A Tornadus to have speed control with tailwind and can set sunny day with priority

polar canyon
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You can also use venusaur over lilligant

foggy lodge
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Nah

polar nest
dapper crag
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PokƩmon No. 3: Venusaur
Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Overgrow, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/82/83/100/100/80

Total

525

Other Formes

Venusaur-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
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PokƩmon No. 549: Lilligant-Hisui
Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Hustle, Leaf Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/75/50/75/105

Total

480

Base Species

Lilligant

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
polar canyon
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Does venusaur still have growth?

foggy lodge
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Because sun and fairy coverage

dapper crag
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Venusaur's moveset:
Physical Moves

Bide, Bind, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Headbutt, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Outrage, Petal Blizzard, Poison Jab, Power Whip, Rage, Razor Leaf, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Skull Bash, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, Vine Whip

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud-Slap, Petal Dance, Razor Wind, Round, Sludge, Sludge Bomb, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Venoshock, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Block, Captivate, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Grass Whistle, Grassy Terrain, Growl, Growth, Helping Hand, Ingrain, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Mimic, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Powder, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Venusaur.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0
foggy lodge
polar nest
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k

foggy lodge
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You are not going to set up with Venusaur

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It's too frail to set up

polar canyon
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Frail?

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That guy is bulky

foggy lodge
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Lol no

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80 HP 83 physical defense

polar canyon
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It's decent enough

foggy lodge
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Maybe by it's special defense but it's physical bulk is bad

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And being a grass type that works under sun

polar canyon
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That's definitely not bad

polar nest
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Anything

foggy lodge
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Maybe

polar nest
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prolly over kingambit

foggy lodge
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Just maybe if you make him a bit bulky it can take a hit

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But it will not take two

polar canyon
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What makes bulky mane bulky that venusaur doesn't have

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You know incin has 95 90 90 right?

foggy lodge
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Typing

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Intimidate

polar canyon
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The stat doesn't have to go over 100 to take hits

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It's still eating special moves

polar nest
mighty stump
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You know the lower the stat the bigger the % change if you invest in it

polar canyon
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Choice band walking wake

foggy lodge
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Or even clear amulet so it doesn't get intimidated

polar canyon
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Clear amulet or scarf on koraidon are probably the best choices

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Maybe band

polar nest
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ok done

foggy lodge
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I would go for a clear amulet set

polar nest
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i did that

foggy lodge
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With protect

polar nest
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yea done

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ok time to grind for a while

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yeesh i gotta build 4 mons

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thats gonna take all day!

polar canyon
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I think it's better to test in showdown first

polar nest
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yea,will do

polar canyon
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If you find out you don't like the team it's better if it happens before you spend time building it in game

polar nest
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tru

atomic mural
pearl wind
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does someone know why healing wish didnt trigger on the torkoal right now? is it because it was "used up" when urshifu switched in?

timber falcon
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why does showdown delete teams for no reason

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and say "its not mine"

mighty stump
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Because you're using your phone and I assume it clears cookies or soething

timber falcon
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i see, well that sucks

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though i think i remember most of the evs

grizzled bronze
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miraidon so good

timber falcon
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any idea for a 6th?

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i think a spatcker woule be nice

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maybe bolt actually

grizzled bronze
timber falcon
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yeah i hadnt done that yet cause it wasnt finished

grizzled bronze
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that's fair yeah

timber falcon
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btw for bulky teams, is it worth comfee or amoongus?

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i feel like amoongus would actually be better cause of redirection and spore, but i have few glacial lance weaknesses already

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though, its not like comfey is doing anything to caly-ice

timber falcon
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my other zama team worked but it was random, so i built one around zama that i have a reason for every mon

fluid fiber
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You only have one special attacker?

timber falcon
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yes

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and after consideration, i think its all i need

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this isnt a balance team after all

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well its a good thing i made that paste

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cause i forgot to save to server

solid frigate
timber falcon
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and my winning streak has been topped by a gimmick great

solid frigate
timber falcon
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swagger torn, and fricking throat spray snarl mirai

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and sneasler lum berry

solid frigate
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i get destroyed by gimmick team that knock me out of 1300+

autumn vault
solid frigate
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yeah Gimmick teams are the pain in the ASS

autumn vault
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True