competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

It’s stinky, but I need to learn how to counter it

But it does look like it could be bulky

[bold geode]

Why bulk it when it can blast your ass away

[timber falcon]

Not full bulk, just to make sure it doesn’t get OHKOd easily

[mighty stump]

@charred saddle Gw sbnrnya ada concept sih

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[mighty stump]

Buat kemintaanmu

[charred saddle]

for palkia?

[mighty stump]

Ya

[charred saddle]

ap tu

[mighty stump]

ntar gw bikinin dlu ini hampir selesai gw

[charred saddle]

tbf, it has already a decent bulk, and its only apparent weaknesses is both 4x, dark and ghost

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

It’s that I know I’m tryna get into the good mons here and see what they’re all about, but isn’t this a bit too simple

[charred saddle]

so i kinda think its better to go max max and go tera for the weaknesses

[dapper crag]

Calyrex-Shadow [Psychic/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.5x)

Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (4x)

Dark, Ghost

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

unless ur calcing for something realllyyyyy specific

[timber falcon]

I probs won’t be doing that

I think ima run astral, draining, will-o-wisp, and prot

Paired with torn?

[charred saddle]

WoW?

why?

[timber falcon]

Idk I have an extra spot

[charred saddle]

u get to use expanding force

[bleak spruce]

It’s doable in game without hacks

[charred saddle]

and why draining kiss?

[foggy lodge]

Easy mode vgc

[timber falcon]

Dark types

[charred saddle]

still against the rules.

[timber falcon]

And fairy Tera

[molten oasis]

dont talk about it

[bleak spruce]

Can I ask in the other chat or not

[molten oasis]

no

[bleak spruce]

Thanks

[timber falcon]

#hackcheck_discussion is ur best bet

[molten oasis]

thats it

[bleak spruce]

Yeah that’s what I meant. Am I allowed to ask there?

[timber falcon]

Yeah you should be, it is about hacked Pokémon

Anyways so does caly- Shadow just run astral, expanding, prot and smth else?

[charred saddle]

it should be fine on asking if it is safe or not but i dont think u can ask anything deep dive about it

if i do play caly S, its partner would be indee, so eforce astral, protect and maybe terablast or NP

[bleak spruce]

I found my copy of Emerald and DS Lite and want to get deoxys up to current gen. Attack form with prankster tailwind setter seems like it could be strong

[charred saddle]

could think of like fighting tera and tera blast incin or dark typings or steel

[charred saddle]

deoxys is mythical too

not legendary. so it wont ever get into regultions

unless theyre plnning to have free for all at end of sv

[molten oasis]

i aint playing that format

[charred saddle]

im playing

[bleak spruce]

Thanks I’m new to VGC. That’s disappointing but I still want to get one for collecting sake. Latis are legal right?

[gentle crag]

thingken has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[timber falcon]

Why it’ll be fun

[charred saddle]

just for the ribbon slapped onto my mythicals

[molten oasis]

not to fight

[timber falcon]

Yep

[charred saddle]

eon duo are legal yes

[solid frigate]

they are legal since they aren't restricted Legendaries

[bleak spruce]

Got it. And it’s safe to assume that applies to older games too then, right?

[timber falcon]

Yeah

As it’s games plural

[bleak spruce]

I appreciate you all. I couldn’t find much on google and most of the results are from 2007 or earlier lol

[pearl wind]

reg f ladder time

[bleak spruce]

I have a few mons for psyspam but the counters now are so strong

Lando and Incineroar mainly give me the most trouble. Aura sphere isn’t enough to KO bulky Incineroar and meteor beam isn’t reliable enough if they switch. I wanted to try Reuniclus but it has the worst coverage of the mons I had in mind.

[timber falcon]

Btw does playing games in the showdown ladder govern judgement? Or is experience with said mons needed

As in using them yourself

Cause I’m noticing my takes are a little off

[solid frigate]

their preferences? idk

[timber falcon]

Cause I do base my take on mons based on how I’ve faired and against them, and how often ive faced them, but for mons like zac and Koraidon I don’t see much

So I normally assume they aren’t the best choices

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable9 and it's out, heres the shameless plug

[solid frigate]

i think its based on their preference on which they use, Maybe

[bleak spruce]

Showdown experience in the same format should translate over well, but may be a different meta than you’ll see in the in-game ladder

[timber falcon]

Ah tofu, what governs experience ? I wanna ask someone who used to be a compet helper or smth

[mighty stump]

Experience in what regard

[timber falcon]

On which mons are good

Rating wise

What does it take to be able to rate them

[mighty stump]

Metagame understanding which is constantly up to date and a combination of being able to analyse results and personally experiencing their use

Which falls under a few factors like: how easy it is to use them, their niche, their stats

[timber falcon]

So would you have to face or use them a lot to have a proper understanding?

Or can u make a judgement based on what you’ve seen in games

For instance some teams have a better MU

[mighty stump]

I don't think you can ever make a full judgement without ever touching the Pokemon

[timber falcon]

Ok that’s what I wanted to know

[mighty stump]

Cause it's different perspectives when you're driving and watching

[timber falcon]

Aight thanks for this

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[timber falcon]

I’ll widen my range of meta using mons then

[mighty stump]

Its also important to be able to differentiate your personal piloting vs the actual pokemon in use

Just cause you cant use it doesn't mean it's bad

Some people just have team style/gameplay preferences

[timber falcon]

But how do you know you can’t use it or if it’s just bad

How do you differentiate

[mighty stump]

.

and compounded with results

If its getting results consistently elsewhere

It's not really the Pokemon

[timber falcon]

Ok I’ll keep that in mind

[dull ibex]

Hello

[solid frigate]

hoi

[chrome knot]

tofu

[mighty stump]

suh

[mighty stump]

new blog

[chrome knot]

i nervous

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

nah u got this

clown em

[chrome knot]

truth

[molten oasis]

you playing in a tournament?

[dull ibex]

Link 👀

[chrome knot]

orlando..

[molten oasis]

nice, good luck you got this

[chrome knot]

i fly out tomorrow mornin

[mighty stump]

.

[chrome knot]

ive put so much prep work blaaaa

[mighty stump]

@dull ibex

[solid frigate]

I need to change my last tier list i done,I feel like i haven't play that much Future Mons besides Hands

[chrome knot]

im just psyching myself out bc i played some sets vs neil and like

[solid frigate]

Hands and Bundle

[chrome knot]

the difference between good vs great is insane

[molten oasis]

i played some bundle mirai, honestly bundle feels kinda mid. LIKE ITS GOOD Im not saying its bad but man that damage output can be really lacking

[chrome knot]

miraidon kills everything

[molten oasis]

from bundle

not miraidon

[solid frigate]

It needs some Optimise to be good, but yeah

[molten oasis]

i also think you just use bundle for support lol

[solid frigate]

true

[molten oasis]

as miraidon nuke everything

[solid frigate]

I might put Bundle in A tier

also Yes Flutter Mane Gets an Own tier

[dull ibex]

Vgc stream,?

[solid frigate]

maybe later

[autumn vault]

My tier list based on how much brain you need to make it work, correct me if you need to do it

[bleak spruce]

I got a used XR1 cheap to stream my failures

[mighty stump]

Kyogre is wrong

Lol

And the fact its either "broken" or "it only works in the intended way its meant to be used" as scales

[hard wolf]

rain, mysitc water spout with support needs brain

[mighty stump]

Failing to consider the playing around it's usual, very meta, counterplay

Lol

What is with people and thinking "omg this thing does big damage it's brainless"

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

You didn't mention Hearthflame Ogerpon in the Groudon section and I'm offended

[mighty stump]

idk what you're reading but it's there

[molten oasis]

it was there

[bold geode]

That's Wellspring

[timber falcon]

Oh my

[mighty stump]

it's right there

[molten oasis]

dumdum lol

[timber falcon]

I didn’t even realise the reg G blog bill now, thank god it includes countermeasure

[bold geode]

You just fuckin added that

[mighty stump]

No i didnt

[timber falcon]

This looks off

[bold geode]

Rn as I'm reading, this is that section

Where is it Tofu

[mighty stump]

Idk but it's there for me

[timber falcon]

The “broken but need a brain one” has mons that aren’t really broken.

[bold geode]

Yeah
But now if I reload it

[mighty stump]

Damn Monke failed to be gaslighted

[molten oasis]

rip

[mighty stump]

I accidentally gaslihgted Drago instead

[molten oasis]

no i knew as well lol

[timber falcon]

They’re pretty balanced some of em, like Groudon , lunala and kyurem

[mighty stump]

I probably forgot to mention Hearthflame

[bold geode]

Oh now it's there wow lmao

I was starting to say Tofu, you know I used that shit lmao

[mighty stump]

lmk if i missed anything else

[mighty stump]

ok buddy let's not get ahead of ourselves

[molten oasis]

you arent him monke

[bold geode]

Also it's like a tiny detail so it's ok to be left out
But Hearthflame can somewhat be good against Kyogre without a defensive tera due to just Grass spam

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you're not running Grasspsam on Sun

[bold geode]

I am

Am I fuckin stupid?

[molten oasis]

si

[bold geode]

That's big priority shit, how is it stupid?

[mighty stump]

Theres just better options over double Grasspam when you enable Fire types in Sun

[molten oasis]

i think chi flutter is better on sun

[bold geode]

Right
I just had it as like
Extra priority threats against like TR or opposing Sun/Rain teams

[mighty stump]

and you already have Raging Bolt

[molten oasis]

and you run wake sometimes too so, beeg damage

[bold geode]

But yeah Hearthflame in Sun teams
Fuckin busted

[timber falcon]

Anyone wanna bo3

[molten oasis]

bonk

[timber falcon]

I’m just a bit bored rn

[bold geode]

Also Tofu why didn't you tell me about Flame Charge Koraidon

[timber falcon]

People use flame charge Koraidon?

[bold geode]

I fought that yesterday and I was like "wtf is this"

[mighty stump]

lol

[timber falcon]

Btw tofu does the blog include “standard” sets or it that not a thing yet

[bold geode]

Other than that, rn idk if you're missing anything else until I look at Zacian really cuz that's like
I use Zama RN but Groudon and Zacian are really the only two I got a decent amount of experience with

Actually
Does Terapagos count as altering weather for Groudon?

And there's the shiny Rayquaza Tofu slaved over to get LMFAO

[mighty stump]

99 rolls bro

not including the failed ones

[bold geode]

It was that low?

[molten oasis]

oof

[mighty stump]

Dmax adventures

[bold geode]

Oh not counting failed ones ok

I just remember for like 1-2 weeks just Tofu dying cuz he was constantly failing Rayquaza

Ooooh I like the Zamazenta picture

[timber falcon]

Btw does having sets for stuff like lugia ect mean it’s usable?

[charred saddle]

having sets isnt the same as its good

[molten oasis]

everything has a set

[timber falcon]

But I assume they’re good sets

[charred saddle]

and its still not yet fully explored

good and bad is subjective to meta

[bold geode]

Also one thing to note if you want on Zacian
Unless you run a Fighting move or Tera Blast, Fire/Steel teras generally give it trouble

[charred saddle]

you can say brickbreak is shit, but if the meta changes to a screen oriented gameplay it might be good

its subjective

[autumn vault]

Tera Ground Blast can deal with these but Ground doesn't have great synergy with Zacian, i think

[timber falcon]

But aren’t some things just, bad

[bold geode]

That is like
Mine and Drago's main fucking struggle with Zacian as well as Incineroar, is just Fire/Steel teras

[timber falcon]

Don’t u guys main zacian?

[bold geode]

I did
It's not bad at all, probably top 5-10
It just has its struggles too

[timber falcon]

I think my reading comprehension is off

[mighty stump]

Wat

[charred saddle]

ur just pointing out to the extremes

[timber falcon]

True it’s a bit of a stretch

[charred saddle]

being niche isnt bad

its just ass

[mighty stump]

Did I not already mention Fire types being a good check on it

[timber falcon]

So I’ve noticed people say lugia shouldn’t be used ( I’m not arguing against it) but CAN it be used well?

Specifically ur set one

[autumn vault]

With weakness policy i think so

[mighty stump]

Most important question

Do you want to use it or not

[timber falcon]

Mhm mhm

[mighty stump]

Then use it

[timber falcon]

Okidoki

[mighty stump]

Oh

[timber falcon]

I mean I’d prefer not to take beeg hits like that

[mighty stump]

I remember now

[bold geode]

You mentioned like
Magmar/Hearthflame Ogerpon
You didn't particularly say Fire types, but the mons you mentioned either are Fire types or run Fire Tera so

[autumn vault]

Multiscale

'Nuff said

[timber falcon]

They’d 100% chip first

[autumn vault]

Why we have protect

[timber falcon]

Before going for a massive hit

[bold geode]

So you kinda like
Indirectly said that I guess

[mighty stump]

I didnt mention Fire types in particular just because a) reading comprehension should just mean fire types if I already mentioned STABs being resisted and 2) Sacred Sword

[bold geode]

Right

[timber falcon]

Can’t actually argue against this

[bold geode]

Sacred Sword is like generally the one way to deal with that issue
Also sorry if it seems like I'm ripping on you, it's a good read

[mighty stump]

no its fine lol

[molten oasis]

constructive criticism

[bold geode]

I just don't know if you wanted to add those small details or not

[charred saddle]

wheres plkia set

[molten oasis]

i definetly spelt that wrong

[mighty stump]

at the bottom u fuck

where it BELONGS

[molten oasis]

lmao

[charred saddle]

oh ada? anjg KWKWOWKW

[charred saddle]

aight. fuck you

[autumn vault]

Is this shit?

[molten oasis]

no comment

[timber falcon]

That’s pretty bad

[autumn vault]

I was 1250 elo

But the ice types attacked

[timber falcon]

Shouldn’t u be going up

[autumn vault]

true

[bold geode]

Also Tofu another thing
I kinda feel like it'd be worth mentioning for Zama how it can hurt Incineroar good? Maybe?

[timber falcon]

Tofu where are lugia calcs?

[mighty stump]

Did I not already mention that

[molten oasis]

i remember that

[bold geode]

If you did I don't see it

[mighty stump]

Am I hallucinating half my blog

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/a6dceeb4afce3c43 Before i jump back into ladder with Zekrom, how is this looking?

[bold geode]

Lemme reload real quick to make sure

[mighty stump]

ill check iab

[autumn vault]

Tofu's blog

[mighty stump]

ALthough idk if its even worth pointing out Zamazenta is good into Incin

Like logically

[molten oasis]

oh ig not

although yea i think its a given

[timber falcon]

Idk might have will-o-wisp

[bold geode]

No you did mention how Incineroar could be a partner into it

But yeah I could see not mentioning it too, considering it's like Kon Mo O, which does the same thing

[molten oasis]

whats the point

[mighty stump]

No I really don't think it's worth mentioning

[timber falcon]

To know what it can live or not

[molten oasis]

its multiscale max hp

it lives everything

[timber falcon]

Oh

[mighty stump]

yeah basically

[bold geode]

Right, also I didn't think that Gholdengo walls Zamazenta for some reason

[molten oasis]

???

it very much does

dude steel ghost is so good

[bold geode]

And this is where my knowledge ends lmao

[autumn vault]

walls both stabs

[bold geode]

OH FUCK

[timber falcon]

But I’m not seeing much ways lugia can actually work in battle, just a set, I feel like the lugia there is a big “here’s a set but don’t use” kinda mon

[molten oasis]

gholdengo good into both zama and zacian lol

[bold geode]

THAT'S WHY IT RUNS CRUNCH SOMETIMES

[timber falcon]

I might just not use lugia

[molten oasis]

probably yea

[timber falcon]

Zama with crunch? Where would that go

[molten oasis]

over behemoth bash probably

[bold geode]

I'd say that for the blog, but Tofu has Snarl on the moveset, which could also be good

[molten oasis]

or snarl

[bold geode]

Yeah usually

[timber falcon]

Can zama be used as support respectfully, like yeah it has body press but also snarl and wide guard ect

[autumn vault]

Yes actually

[molten oasis]

if you want...

[bold geode]

Damn I TOTALLY whiffed on that one
I legitimately could not figure out why people ran Crunch on it

[autumn vault]

I think in double restricteds it can shine even more

[molten oasis]

i think its a waste of your single restricted and i will stand by that to just use it as a support

[timber falcon]

How? It only can’t really hit ghost types. It’s straight forward

[molten oasis]

offensive support is fine

[timber falcon]

My ego has increased cause of that

[molten oasis]

i just think it wants idbp no matter what rn

[timber falcon]

I mean it’s a damn good one, wide guard sneaks for itself, body press does too, and snarl

[molten oasis]

i think your restricted needs to do something offensively

[timber falcon]

But does it have to be hard hitting is the question

[molten oasis]

as all of the good ones are big damage dealers

[timber falcon]

Probably yeah

[molten oasis]

YES

[timber falcon]

It’s not much of a question ignore that

[molten oasis]

in double you can get by with having a more supportive secondary restricted but not in single

[timber falcon]

I did a dumb one

[bold geode]

Cuz like
Idk really
But it's not bad logic

But when you see a bunch of Ting Lu and Incin paired with it
It's like huh

[timber falcon]

As tofu told me after I started crying over ghost tera lando “if it makes sense it makes sense”

But it’s stupid sense

[bold geode]

Not really for Crunch on Zama

[molten oasis]

bo3 anyone? im bored lol

[timber falcon]

Personally crunch on zama is a bit water cause of flutter

[bold geode]

Hell do you see Kon Mo O with IDBP run Dragon STAB?

[timber falcon]

Meeeeeeeeee

[bold geode]

Funny thing is if you get Intimidated, you miss the OHKO anyways with Bash

[molten oasis]

ok, user

[timber falcon]

Totorules

[bold geode]

Drago I got next

[molten oasis]

are you online

[timber falcon]

I’m online now

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2101271253

@timber falcon what is happening with your internet

[autumn vault]

OTOT fix your internet

[timber falcon]

MY SIGNAL

NO NO NO

[molten oasis]

we can go again

[timber falcon]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

no use

I’ll lag out again

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

Just do it when the signal is better

[molten oasis]

@bold geode

[timber falcon]

I’m on a train

[bold geode]

Is it my turn now

[molten oasis]

si

[autumn vault]

Why do you battle on a train?

[bold geode]

Lemme get on

[charred saddle]

im reading "im on the verge of breaking monkevgc"

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[charred saddle]

interesting

go 2-0 him drago

[bold geode]

Shield Monke

[autumn vault]

I am on the verge of breaking calyrex-ice ngl

[bold geode]

Is my user

[timber falcon]

I’m bored af

[autumn vault]

True

[molten oasis]

another zama god dammit

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2101279964

[solid frigate]

at least i have a brain

[chrome knot]

why

[autumn vault]

I made another tier list with terapagos lower

[chrome knot]

i just started playing reg g again and calyrex ice is so cool

[solid frigate]

you have to really play mind games with it

[autumn vault]

Another reason why it is lower

[solid frigate]

also Rayquaza is kinda no brain needed cuz Paonite but better

[timber falcon]

It takes brain

[solid frigate]

or worse because no IF?

[mighty stump]

Lolwut

[solid frigate]

haven't finish sentence.

[timber falcon]

Rayquaza definitely harder to Pilate than dnite

[autumn vault]

It needs a brain

[solid frigate]

DOES ANYONE KNOW I SAID THAT NEXT-

[autumn vault]

Inner Focus + all of the shit dragonite can do = smaller brain needed then with ray

[solid frigate]

i swear i said or worse because no IF

and seems like everyone forgot i even typed that

classic moment

[timber falcon]

Say it then

[solid frigate]

I DID.

[autumn vault]

Here OTOT

[solid frigate]

FINALLY.

[timber falcon]

I speak before I read, it’s my specialty

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

I speak before i think, it is also my specialty

[solid frigate]

anyways

[molten oasis]

noted, i fucking hate zamazenta

[solid frigate]

Back to Zamazenta Hate? fair

[autumn vault]

you should really add Zamazenta after breaking

[molten oasis]

@bold geode gg

[mighty stump]

@bold geode ill change my mind, maybe Grasspam isn't that bad on Sun

[molten oasis]

Poky

dont comment on my plays mid match thanks

[autumn vault]

yes?

Sorry

[molten oasis]

precipice does nothing to it

and moon was a sitting duck so i just lost

[bold geode]

GG, also I'm sorry but I laughed at how Ogerpon fuckin tickled Zama there

[autumn vault]

At -2 it was barely a threat, unless Monke was planning to abuse it's SoR for it's teammates

[molten oasis]

idc the mu sucks

idk what im supposed to do into that

[timber falcon]

Which team u used

[molten oasis]

groudon moon

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
I realized after Game 1 like
Literally I saw you stepped on the gas so I'm like "fine let's race"

[timber falcon]

Groudon should pressure Zama pretty well

[molten oasis]

it doesnt

all i do is force a tera

[timber falcon]

That’s pressure

[molten oasis]

and that tera shuts everything else off

[bold geode]

Water tera is good in Sun MUs all except for Bolt

[molten oasis]

ugh

[bold geode]

Did you test it lmao

[mighty stump]

Nope

[timber falcon]

I mean the forced tera enabled u to wood hammer crit me

[solid frigate]

Mono Ghost Team what

[molten oasis]

i needed that crit

[mighty stump]

Just thinking about it.

[bold geode]

Lol

[molten oasis]

NEEEDED that crit

[timber falcon]

Yeah the crit was crazy

[molten oasis]

hate zama

ugh

[bold geode]

Yeah
Once I got to +5, it was detrimental

[molten oasis]

im aware

[autumn vault]

I would Bo3 but it is too late for that

[molten oasis]

i can still play if thats what youre asking

[bold geode]

+3 could've been manageable, but +5
Also yeah I just realized that Moon just
Didn't do nothing to Zama

[autumn vault]

I am not asking for that

[molten oasis]

wakes been kinda mid anyway im putting bolt back on

[bold geode]

It didn't do nothing to Zama and I couldn't Fake it Out due to Cloak, so I just figured I'd focus on the rest

[timber falcon]

U wanna kill is b4 it sets up or have a strong spatcker that does great chip, speaking as a zama user

Going for attack is not by gonna work

[molten oasis]

please tell me how im supposed to do that

[charred saddle]

does a +1 firepon cudgel in sun ko groudon?

hm

[molten oasis]

with fake out pressure

[bold geode]

Tera Fire is in play so

[molten oasis]

and its CONSTANT fo pressure

[bold geode]

Lol
Double Fake Out pog

[timber falcon]

Specs flutter

Use that on zama

[molten oasis]

yk what all of its partners do

blow up flutter, zama blows up flutter

[bold geode]

Wanna see a magic trick

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Wood Hammer (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 176-210 (85 - 101.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

its not that easy

[charred saddle]

+1 252 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon in Sun: 220-260 (106.2 - 125.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

oh it does

[molten oasis]

if adamant

[autumn vault]

I would go Jolly

Adamant is overkill imo

but it is good to ohko groudon

[molten oasis]

idt its overkill but you want to have the speed

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/161507dc68361e6a

In case anyone wants a fun flexible team, I am top 50 BO3 ladder with this RN. I think the team is far from perfect but it’s a fun archetype

[molten oasis]

@bold geode mind if we go again? i want to test bolt out for that mu see if it helps

[charred saddle]

oh right i havent thought of bm and caly ice

nice nice seems like a nice team

[autumn vault]

Another Calyrex-Ice team, why is it so common?

[charred saddle]

ill try it soon

[molten oasis]

its very strong

[autumn vault]

It is a very BS mon with Amulet

[bold geode]

@timber falcon abracadabra

252+ SpA Choice Specs Protosynthesis Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 170-200 (85.4 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[next stump]

it’s not fair dealing 50%+ to resists without any boosts

if you can’t beat em, join em

[molten oasis]

fr

[bold geode]

I feel like you're gonna beat me now.......

[molten oasis]

its practice

[bold geode]

But sure hold up lemme

[autumn vault]

Give Drago a chance monke

[molten oasis]

...

[timber falcon]

I need to watch out for that

[molten oasis]

why

[timber falcon]

It hurts

[molten oasis]

who tf is running that kind of fluttermane

[bold geode]

Aight Drago
Again

[timber falcon]

U never know, and there’s specs caly out there

Which hits harder

[autumn vault]

Wide Guard go boom

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-wtf-ruocgiff-gif-25631449

You know you’re right

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101291166-573ckgf3jzvruy2fu95z38w4g5f1tcxpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101293418-n0jj6ym6u98773v769eaxfyc0tj5877pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101295777-8j7txcaaziq7nu8e0mvtlefqb47htwxpw

Played badly but still win

[timber falcon]

Monotype really?

Ok internet is back at it who wants to rumble

I need a redemption match against Drago

[molten oasis]

ugh

gg

should have clicked moonblast god dammit

[polar canyon]

chien-plowed was not the account I expected to bump into on ladder today

[molten oasis]

you ran into tofu?

[polar canyon]

It's sableye testing

[molten oasis]

ok

[polar canyon]

Well it worked on me

[bold geode]

Ngl
I had Bash into the Mane slot that last turn, but then switched to Body Press last sec

[molten oasis]

i wasnt expecting wide guard

zama's fucking annoying

[solid frigate]

i somehow win the game with Terapagos in Choice Scarf-

[molten oasis]

raging bolt was so helpful too

[bold geode]

I honestly was clicking Wide Guard like "if Zama dies I bring in Chien Pao

[timber falcon]

Drago u ready to battle

[mighty stump]

Yeah I fifgured that was you lol

[timber falcon]

Don’t use that

[mighty stump]

Lucky turn 1 sleep I think

[bold geode]

Like I literally clicked WG expecting the Moonblast and the Zama sac

[molten oasis]

are you online mf

[solid frigate]

no i got tricked into it

[molten oasis]

this happens every fucking time dude

[timber falcon]

Oh I’m not online

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

Now

[polar canyon]

Not knowing what sableye is running is the hardest part about facing it

[polar canyon]

Did it have wisp?

I was so scared of wisp

And encore

And taunt

[mighty stump]

Yep

[polar canyon]

Well at least I was right then

I don't think I wanna keep playing dusk mane for too long

[mighty stump]

oh you were the Dusk Mane player

Lol

[polar canyon]

It's a mon I really like and it was really fun in not bad mus but it's hard into groudon, kyogre, caly shadow

[polar canyon]

Wait who else did you think was me and why?

[mighty stump]

I don't observe names lol

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu you think Ghost or Water is better for Zamazenta? Concerned about Sun MUs too

[polar canyon]

What was the person playing

[mighty stump]

I don't register the person playing lol

So I don't know who you were or what you were playing specifically until you tell me

[molten oasis]

hwo are you concerned about sun mu

you just kicked my ass

twice

[polar canyon]

What if they have a gravity team with groudon tho

[bold geode]

Bruh I just realized Groudon can't OHKO Zama without boosts fuck

[molten oasis]

gg

[bold geode]

Water tera just makes sure my ass don't get kicked by Wake

[molten oasis]

that crit probably mattered

i hate zama

[timber falcon]

Ggs last hit crit won the game

[molten oasis]

got fucking 2-0ed twice today

[timber falcon]

The crit did matter AL LOT

[bold geode]

For what, the Zama kill or the one with yours?

[timber falcon]

I killed his Oger fire with wood hammer

[molten oasis]

i got wood hammer crit last turn of a game which cost me

i thought this was a good team, its not into lando torn or zama

[timber falcon]

I forgot high horse power

[molten oasis]

ugh

[timber falcon]

Zama struggles with groudon so I added lando torn for weather control

[molten oasis]

sure doesnt for me

zama demolishes me every time i use groudon

[bold geode]

Oh the crit on Moon definitely mattered lol

[molten oasis]

what am i supposed to do

[bold geode]

I'm running Jolly

[molten oasis]

i play my best twice but hard lose

fuck zama

[bold geode]

Ngl brother
I don't think it does

[timber falcon]

Mine does, well it DID

but I have other mons in the team

[molten oasis]

back to the drawing board

[bold geode]

I think literally
Fake Out pressure killed you

[molten oasis]

i just lost to torn lando with it

its just zama, idt its all the fo pressure

[timber falcon]

I think Groudon as only control is a bit flawed if not pivot spammed

Cause ur team is sun reliant

[bold geode]

Like being able to steam roll with Zama due to the pressure added on with Fake Out was a lot

[molten oasis]

thats the whole point

the team relies on sun to do its thing

[bold geode]

Like you could've got thru Zama better if not for the constant fear of Fake Out

[timber falcon]

Yeah so u want more than one sun setter Drago

[bold geode]

At least in our MU

[molten oasis]

hell no

i am not adding fucking torkoal

[autumn vault]

Why does Zekrom learn Tailwind? Also Zamazenta is Drago's archnemesis

[timber falcon]

Monke what’s ur team?

[bold geode]

I think the team is good with one setter tbh

[polar canyon]

It has wings to flap and make wind ig

[bold geode]

Imagine Japan Shell

[timber falcon]

I mean, moon CAN learn sunny day

[solid frigate]

How much BP does Heat Crash had when its used by groudonn

[molten oasis]

no

[timber falcon]

No idea what this is

[polar canyon]

Terapagos?

[bold geode]

Brady Smiths Vancouver team

[autumn vault]

It does learn Dual Wingbeat so maybe it makes sense but idk

[timber falcon]

I’m bad with names

[polar canyon]

The twitter guy with lots of sets

[bold geode]

Are you....

[molten oasis]

im not, man

[timber falcon]

Oh I know him he’s Brady smith

He had that flutter set

Ok yeah I know him

[molten oasis]

why is my text red

[bold geode]

Now imagine that team with Zamazenta instead of Lando
That's it

[autumn vault]

i see it as white

[timber falcon]

I have no idea what Vancouver is though

[bold geode]

Huh

[polar canyon]

Because your messages aren't sending

[bold geode]

Vancouver regionals

[timber falcon]

I don’t remember which one that is

[polar canyon]

Vancouver is a place

[timber falcon]

I’m a bit slow so please bare with

[bold geode]

His team in Vancouver regionals that he was a finalist with
Look it up
It's on his Twitter
On YouTube
And on Victory Road

[timber falcon]

oh u are using a sun team

[molten oasis]

oh nvm

[polar canyon]

That message didn't send

[timber falcon]

So it’s probs that one weakness policy venasuar right?

[bold geode]

It didn't send

[molten oasis]

anyway yea that mu sucks

[bold geode]

No LMFAO

[timber falcon]

Oh

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/4a3c17e48e28fe4c Any replacement to Pelipper? I tested my team against a (smart) Calyrex shadow and it swept my team, i need ways to counter it and have an all right MU into ice pokemon

[bold geode]

Oh my God
Incin/Rilla/Shifu/Bolt/Lando/Pao

[autumn vault]

Why? What venusaur runs Weakness Policy?

[bold geode]

Now imagine that 6
But Zama instead of Lando
That's it

[molten oasis]

im just, forget i run sun ig

i cant pilot it

[timber falcon]

How’s this

Is that it?

[polar canyon]

Chien pao lowering zamas defense might be counter intuitive for a body press spammer

[molten oasis]

its not

[autumn vault]

Don't see a Venusaur

[bold geode]

My guy that is Scott Iwafuchi

[timber falcon]

Please just tell me I’m never gonna get this

[polar canyon]

Poison tera blast?

[timber falcon]

I remember teams not people

[bold geode]

Here

[polar canyon]

What's that for

[timber falcon]

Hmm ok ok

That’s a balance team right

[bold geode]

Now imagine that with Zama instead of Lando

[molten oasis]

just gonna live using zacian ig, that sun team now feels bad

[bold geode]

Yes it is balance

[timber falcon]

Yeah very very balanced

[polar canyon]

Is it lando i or t

[timber falcon]

It’s like a perfect sea saw balanced

[bold geode]

I

But I don't use Lando I for my team currently

[polar canyon]

Lando I is just consistent

It's nice

[timber falcon]

How has the team faired

[molten oasis]

cant beat anyone with it

[timber falcon]

Anyone is a strong word

[molten oasis]

played a few ladder games just ate shit 3 times

[bold geode]

Middle ground
But most of my losses yesterday were like either close good games or me making dumbass mistakes so I can live with it so far

[molten oasis]

to you guessied it

[bold geode]

Haven't found a MU yet that just absolutely sucks

[molten oasis]

zama

[polar canyon]

I got high enough in the ladder to go against tofu with dusk mane, that's a win to me and now I can retire the team

[molten oasis]

then a sun ho mirror

[timber falcon]

Remember the zac team? U did bad at some point but brought it back, don’t quit on teams improve or redo

[molten oasis]

then kyogre

[bold geode]

Zama good
Zama goated
I think I might like Zama

[molten oasis]

i had to remake that zacian team 6 or 7 times doing howl

[timber falcon]

I’ve re done my lunala and zama team 2 times or more

[bold geode]

I think comp is once again changing my bias

[molten oasis]

we know monke you kick ass with it

[bold geode]

And making me a Zama stan

[timber falcon]

Zama is definitely that dog

[bold geode]

No I Body Press ass

[timber falcon]

The sheer bulk of it is stunning

[solid frigate]

I redone Terapagos 3 times,well 5 if you count some minor details

[molten oasis]

that does not work

[bold geode]

It's fucking wild bro

[timber falcon]

Have they done well?

Zama makes caly-ice a useless bum

[bold geode]

Double restricted imma try and go ham with a duo that'll make you hate me

[solid frigate]

final team does the best job so far

[timber falcon]

Tbh all zama even needs for a sweep it one body press

[molten oasis]

and like ofc you can speak about me retrying shit you hit high ladder with 70 gxe fairly consistently apparently and i cant get beyond 1500 without constant team changes

[timber falcon]

The bias is crazy with this mon

[molten oasis]

cuz things just fucking click

i sure dont get anything like that without extensive fucking amounts of testing

[timber falcon]

I don’t know how I did this tbh, but I don’t really play on that account anymore cause I know it’s flopping

[molten oasis]

and i mean weeks of testing

[timber falcon]

Why?

[bold geode]

Cuz 24 isn't enough

[molten oasis]

not helping

[solid frigate]

Nostalgia hits hard'

[molten oasis]

i give up

[timber falcon]

Basically Drago ur losing cause u lack a zama MU

Don’t give up

[bold geode]

Honestly
Will O Wisp?

[molten oasis]

HOW DO I FUCKING FIX THAT MU

[timber falcon]

Wisp works ig

[molten oasis]

wisp does not stop me from getting 2hkoed

[timber falcon]

Wisp Zama works IF you can kill it after and n let it continue setting up though

[molten oasis]

+5 156+ Def burned Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Groudon: 97-114 (46.8 - 55%) -- 70.3% chance to 2HKO

[timber falcon]

If it continues setting up it’s still gonna sweep, so use that opportunity to kill

[molten oasis]

like yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that reaaaaaaaaally helps

and i do a whopping 20% to it in return

[timber falcon]

I mean. Spam spatckers

[molten oasis]

that doesnt work as the partners all explode my special attackers

[timber falcon]

Ohhh

Yeah u can taunt or encore

That also works

[solid frigate]

Me Be like:

[molten oasis]

then im forced to run taunt

and i dont have a spot for it rn

[solid frigate]

oh wait i have 3 Physical Attackers nvm

[timber falcon]

I mean it’s a MU u done HAVE to run it

But it’ll help that MU

[molten oasis]

im just dropping the damn team idc

hasnt gotten me anywhere

[timber falcon]

U can also use mons that wall it

Like most don’t run crunch I don’t think

[molten oasis]

it got me to 1500 thats cool and all but its bo1 cts

[timber falcon]

I mean it’s the same for me

[molten oasis]

the format i dont primarily play in

[timber falcon]

Oh

[molten oasis]

i do bo1 to see if teams even work and if they do ill try bo3

i have now done 2 bo3's and the team felt shit

today

[timber falcon]

I do bo3 only if I need to, for me if it works in bo1 it can work in bo3, as long as there aren’t any niches u are hiding it works

[molten oasis]

i did some yesterday that also didnt feel great

[timber falcon]

Hmm

I mean Gordon definitely can work

Maybe the team is TOO sun reliant?

[solid frigate]

Pention Naming Groudon Gordon

[molten oasis]

adn i cant just chagne things like that it screws with the team

[timber falcon]

I mean it’s either tweaking a team or redo it, if all feels wrong then redo it

And consider MUs that u have failed from previously

[molten oasis]

sure whatever

[timber falcon]

Like for me, zama kept dying to rush water so I added oger, didn’t work, and so then every MU I lost against I considered a tweaked the team

It’s a pain but it’s worth it

[mighty stump]

SOunds like it's time for Drago to go take a break

[timber falcon]

Yeah was gonna say that too, sounds like a losing streak that can be solved with a break

[mighty stump]

More like a mental break

Again, attitude is everything, and building good habits in everything is important

[solid frigate]

i run Chi Yu for Terapagos to deal More Damage, but i forgot Bulk so i just ran Grimmsnarl

[timber falcon]

Mhm after a losing streak I just work on my Minecraft world or watch yt

Then try again later

[molten oasis]

thats not what he means

[timber falcon]

Isn’t that a mental break?

[molten oasis]

thats a break

i have bad habits and poor mental i need to step away from comp for a while

[timber falcon]

Ohh ok

I’ve only done that once so idk much about it

[molten oasis]

im going to assume thats what he meant

[solid frigate]

mental is very important to play Competitve so yeah, have a Rest

[molten oasis]

which also means im probably going on hiatus

[timber falcon]

For what I know it’s something to do with being anxious, from what I’ve googled

[timber falcon]

Or distressed over smth

[molten oasis]

like if im going to go on a mental break i dont really want to think about this game

[solid frigate]

you can still talk about Casual Pokemon,But Competitve Pokemon just don't say stuff

[timber falcon]

I thought it’s just to stop brainstorming

[mighty stump]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say maybe at your ages since ya'll sound young enough to not dole out mental health advice

It can be misconstrued or be taken very poorly

Language is important when communicating these concepts

[timber falcon]

Cause after building my last palafin team I got so anxious I stopped playing for a week before using it

[molten oasis]

i might lurk but im just not playing for a while

[timber falcon]

Lycopoky did u lose to caly again

[autumn vault]

No

[molten oasis]

probably

[timber falcon]

The name though

[autumn vault]

i am tired of it ok

[molten oasis]

i dont have shit to be doing rn

[torn parrot]

Zama definitely has that dog in him

[timber falcon]

🤝

[molten oasis]

thats my queue to leave

[solid frigate]

see ya

[autumn vault]

Bye

[molten oasis]

do not ping me about comp

[timber falcon]

Cya later

[molten oasis]

i'll lurk but im not trying to play rn

[autumn vault]

Understood

[timber falcon]

Hope things go well

[atomic portal]

hell yeah brother

[autumn vault]

What happened?

I was looking at past messages from weeks ago

[timber falcon]

Losing streak really bad

Taking a mental break

[autumn vault]

Seems right

[timber falcon]

That’s pretty much it

[autumn vault]

Let me guess Zamazenta sent him to break time

[timber falcon]

That set it off yeah

But he said it’s the team as a whole

[autumn vault]

True

[molten oasis]

its more than that

[autumn vault]

Well i have to go, see ya

[timber falcon]

Bye

[solid frigate]

go to have a rest my guy

[timber falcon]

I know dw

[molten oasis]

its more than a losing streak, it is my mental, id rather you guys not talk about this its the whole reason i came back for a second

[solid frigate]

we understand

[molten oasis]

move on, thanks

[timber falcon]

Understood

[solid frigate]

I'll see if i can Modify my Team or stuff

[timber falcon]

Ima just rott away at yt

[solid frigate]

ok

[torn parrot]

@molten oasis taking a break is good I would say I hope you feel better

[molten oasis]

stop calling me back in here

[mighty stump]

Just stop responding Drago

[solid frigate]

what the fu

Uhhhhh

[molten oasis]

just clearing pings

[bold geode]

Enjoy break man, get better mindset

[solid frigate]

this is a scam btw

[bold geode]

Wtf actually a scam here

[solid frigate]

НОВАЯ РАЗДАЧА ДС НИТРО НА МЕСЯЦ ОТ СТИМА!

Means

NEW DS NITRO GIVEAWAY FOR A MONTH FROM STEAM!

That Sounds like a Scam

[mighty stump]

I think that part was pretty clear.

[solid frigate]

yep

[bold geode]

They taking care of it

[solid frigate]

good

wait how did they got trainer Level 2-

[bitter phoenix]

Account got hacked maybe?

[solid frigate]

He only trades mons

[bitter phoenix]

Odd...

[twin falcon]

yes, regular account which got hacked

happens often sadly, that's why we even added the announcement last month
#announcements message

no embed rotom pls

[solid frigate]

Yea

[bitter phoenix]

yup

[solid frigate]

anyways

time to continue on turtle

https://tenor.com/view/liko-pokemon-liko-terapagos-pokemon-pokemon-terapagos-gif-7152955941926935136

[polar canyon]

I think I see the why I think venusaur is ugly

It's a frog but it has cat ears

It would look like a fine angry frog if it didn't have cat ears

I think I wanna use scarf miraidon

Seems pretty nice

Miraidon chi yu ho

[solid frigate]

i like it tho

[solid frigate]

Hmmmmmmmm

[polar canyon]

Chi yu also threatens rilla

Which is nice if I make the team take advantage of e terrain

[solid frigate]

i used Chi Yu with Terapagos before and i feel like i forfeited too many Bulk

[polar canyon]

Even with calm mind?

I think you usually wanna commit to offense when it's on the field

[solid frigate]

well Terapagos stayed fine,but the others,not so much

so i ditched the fish and bring back Incineroar and Grimmsnarl

[valid widget]

dang someone got their account stolen?

btw i had a question. what is the best tera type for raging bolt. its weak to fairy, dragon, ground. i was thinking steel cuz that gets rid of two of the weaknesses, but adds weakness to fire, fighting, and ground weakness stays

and then ogerpon hearthflame becomes an issue

[next stump]

Fairy is what’s commonly used now

Grass can be nice for spore immunity

[valid widget]

grass true

spore is annoying af but then again i could just put a lum berry on it

[solid frigate]

Terapagos feels like not really a Kyogre Check-
Bundle Maybe

[summer shore]

Ping

[dapper crag]

do you think they are gonna make megas broken again in ZA

[timber falcon]

i doubt theyd be broken tbh, just regular old megas except maybe a new one, there might be some hype bit itd die out im guessing

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101429027
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101430845

Phew a easy win

[wicked moon]

Mega deoxys. It takes the best stat from all of the different deoxys forms to create the best ever mega

It would be hilarious

[dapper crag]

they are putting in Mega Zard Z

i just know it

[wicked moon]

Yeah that’s kinda obvious

[timber falcon]

finally hit my damn goal

consistency is hard man

[strange fjord]

fr

congrats tho!

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/5764837495aec32a thoughts?

im looking for a 6th mon, im not sure into my mirai MU

[pastel blade]

Whoever runs a stall team is absolutely dog shit

Who tf wants to sit here for 20 minutes every single game

[strange fjord]

maybe rillaboom?

[timber falcon]

i did think of it, however im not fond of a rilla that doesnt hold av

maybe a wide guard mon with fake out

[foggy lodge]

Why does the Lugia that you catch in the indigo disk is tera water lol

[polar canyon]

That's a neat detail

[foggy lodge]

Is like game freak regrets about not giving it the water type in 1999

And now they can't change it

[polar canyon]

Not that just being flying water would magically make it a good pokemon

[foggy lodge]

Dude water type would be a better type for it competitively

Flying/water or even water/psychic

[polar canyon]

Doesn't mean it would make the 90 base attacks work

[cyan smelt]

Do all the legendaries have different tera types?

[foggy lodge]

It would be a better defensive type to what their stats want to be

[foggy lodge]

I think the Groudon is tera Fire

[polar canyon]

Better not equals good

[foggy lodge]

Those are the only cases i know

[polar canyon]

I agree that it would be better

[foggy lodge]

It would have been something

Maybe in singles¿

[polar canyon]

Like while generally lugia is probably good, compared to almost any other restricted legend it's doo doo trash

[pallid hare]

Lugia was always intended to be a psychic type

[polar canyon]

If there wasn't a restriction to them maybe lugia would have some value

[foggy lodge]

Lugia could have been a water/psychic type

I mean, not every Pokémon that flies has to be flying type

[polar canyon]

With levitate

And like still multiscale as ha

Anyways I wanna use miraidon

Do I try valiant or do I stick to the reliable and go bundle

I want miraidon + chi yu

[cyan smelt]

Use iron bungle

Encore can be useful tech

[foggy lodge]

I think Iron Jugulis would be good

[polar canyon]

Would it

[cyan smelt]

Be a Chad and use iron leaves

[foggy lodge]

Is like nobody uses it but somehow in every tournament there's always an Iron Jugulis

[polar canyon]

I really want to but it's a bad matchup into like everything

[foggy lodge]

I got a legit shiny Bagon from wonder trade what

[polar canyon]

Except maybe kyogre? But miraidon is already good for that

And it's about as weak to lando as miraidon

[foggy lodge]

There's no real reason to use Iron Leaves

[polar canyon]

Other than it looks pretty cool

Hey maybe it can do over half to groudon

[foggy lodge]

Against Groudon, Caly-Ice, Caly-Shadow, Urshifu Dark, Flutter Mane, Lando-I Etc, forced to tera

[polar canyon]

It would have to be a team centered on leaves if it wants to fit

I think that's enough iron leaves slander given I already know I'm not using it

It's a pretty cool design

[foggy lodge]

It's design is good

[polar canyon]

Kind of

[foggy lodge]

I wanted to create an only returning Pokémon from both DLCs but the dlcs just don't have the tools to work😭😭

The best grass type from the dlcs is Whimsicott

[chrome knot]

whimsicott is disgustingly good

[polar canyon]

Does ursa bloodmoon count as returning

It's a new form but the base form is returning

[foggy lodge]

Is Whimsicott was allowed in a reg without Tornadus it would be insanely good

[cyan smelt]

Throat chop iron leaves could work against caly s

[foggy lodge]

But😭😭

[foggy lodge]

The base form was from the base game

[chrome knot]

no whims is gonna be good in reg g

[polar canyon]

Whimsicott is a better sun setter than torn

[cyan smelt]

Whims is goated

[polar canyon]

Imagine if torn had encore

[cyan smelt]

Can taunt torn so it can't set up tw

[polar canyon]

But also had little to no offensive pressure

Hey encore is pretty good

[cyan smelt]

I saw someone on ladder using tw whims with explosion shiftry then caly I and smeargle

[foggy lodge]

Maybe in reg G it'll be

But in reg F i don't see it

I think the best niche for Whimsicott in this reg is beat up + terrakion

[agile urchin]

do y'all mind if I can get your opinions on this rq? https://pokepast.es/1fd28e823f8690e2

[cyan smelt]

And the smeargle had feint to break wide guard and protect

[polar canyon]

Smeargle users when unseen fist surging strikes

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus

Type

Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Tornadus-Therian

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[foggy lodge]

Imagine is this thing didn't have 115 attack

[cyan smelt]

Imagine they put the attack into sp attack and speed instead

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus-Therian

Type

Flying

Abilities

Regenerator

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/100/80/110/90/121

Total

580

Base Species

Tornadus

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[polar canyon]

Wish granted

[cyan smelt]

Therian is so ugly though

[polar canyon]

Torn without 115 attack

[foggy lodge]

Why does it has less special attack and attack

[polar canyon]

More speed and bulk

Would be nice if it still had prankster

Do you guys ever forget that lando i still has more attack than special attack

Just no good physical moves that work with sheer force

[foggy lodge]

It actually helped it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

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[foggy lodge]

This stats spread was good atleast

What why does Landorus has 600 stats

[polar canyon]

Imagine the day they add a 90 bp physical ground move with a 10% chance to drop defense

[foggy lodge]

Imagine is it had a good flying type move

[polar canyon]

I want them to do that but only for nidoking

I want physical sheer force nidoking to be good

Well ig you can use poison jab

That's beyond the point

[foggy lodge]

Stomping Tantrum activates sheer force?

[polar canyon]

Nope

[cyan smelt]

Nidoking has all the elemental punches so that's neat ig

[foggy lodge]

Or only when it missed the previous turn?

[polar canyon]

I think that counts as a main move mechanic more than as a secondary effect

It's a direct power increase rather than another thing that happens along with the move

[foggy lodge]

Hm

It always gives me something when a Pokémon has so much invest in an useless attack stat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

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[polar canyon]

Superpower enamorus

[foggy lodge]

Imagine if they made Special attack 60 and gave those 20 points to HP

[cyan smelt]

Is enamorus therian or incarnate better

[polar canyon]

They're pretty different

One is bulky and only ever used in tr

The other is fast and only ever used for contrary

[cyan smelt]

The tr one still gets destroyed by caly I in tr

[polar canyon]

In reg g both seem hard to use

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 313: Volbeat

Type

Bug

Abilities

Illuminate, Swarm, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/73/75/47/85/85

Total

430

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[foggy lodge]

Remember when people was using Volbeat in reg G

[polar canyon]

This one's just bad

[polar canyon]

Huh

[foggy lodge]

That only lasted 1 week

[polar canyon]

You mean f?

I kinda remember that

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah

Reg E?

The regulation of the teal mask

[polar canyon]

They gave tail glow to the one with more attack than special attack

I get that it's male fireflies that glow

But they could have just swapped volbeat and illumise stats

[foggy lodge]

Ah wait i saw the stats bad

I thought the 85 was for the sp attack

[cyan smelt]

Wasn't it mostly used for tail glow baton pass

[polar canyon]

I think so

[foggy lodge]

It's 47 sp attack💀

[polar canyon]

Man remember when xurkitree had tail glow

Remember when xurkitree was in the game

[cyan smelt]

Would xurkitree even be good

[foggy lodge]

I miss ultra beast but they would probably be broken with tera

[polar canyon]

Idk but I would use it

[foggy lodge]

It would be outclassed by Raging i think

[cyan smelt]

No less broken than caly s and I with tera and clear amulet, specs

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 796: Xurkitree

Type

Electric

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

83/89/71/173/71/83

Total

570

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