competitive_discussion

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and why i prefer hearthflame over teal

[solid frigate]

i'm more of a wellspring guy but i get you

[dapper crag]

I don't run focus sash

[willow vault]

I like wellspring

[autumn vault]

I dont run sash

[polar canyon]

Well I don't think ogerpon cornerstone is good into urshifu if im being fully honest

[autumn vault]

I like Hearthflame

[autumn vault]

Yeah, it gets STAB CC

[solid frigate]

i thought of something funny but i won't say it

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1bdce08e5eee0c34 Should i replace Amoonguss and Landorus?

[dapper crag]

Get rid of amoongus

[solid frigate]

Bruh.

[dapper crag]

Jts really annoying to play against

[solid frigate]

Bro is it your Team?

[dapper crag]

And I don't want anyone to use or go up against it

[willow vault]

Is it working?

[autumn vault]

I like it's annoyance

[solid frigate]

if not Then SHUT UP

[polar canyon]

I don't think that's stopping anyone

[autumn vault]

Yes but Ice Horse with Onion eats the team for breakfast

[mighty stump]

Imma just tell ya'll i'm gonna retire for a bit so like

Good luck

[solid frigate]

you have Tornadus Taunt moment

[solid frigate]

GL my man

[autumn vault]

Good luck

[autumn vault]

Isn't stopping me at all

Anyways back to question, should i replace mushroom and orange man with a log head?

[solid frigate]

i literally Trolled a Koraidon team with Amoongus,Tornadus and Ogerpon Wellspring before so yeah

[polar canyon]

Doesn't make you less weak to caly ice if that's what you want

In fact makes you weaker to it

[autumn vault]

I think shroom can stay but orange log headed genie has to go

[dapper crag]

Is teal mask ogerpon and rillaboom good

[polar canyon]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom-

[autumn vault]

Or i can remove amoonguss for ogerpon and removd landorus for a pokemon with wide guard

[polar canyon]

Don't people use hearthflame with rilla

[molten oasis]

what did I walk into

[polar canyon]

Like in that wolfe team

[willow vault]

Your team looks fine

[polar canyon]

I think someone here really doesn't play competitive too much

[autumn vault]

You want my team to 100% of the time lose to calyrex ice? I must make sacrifices and Zekrom will not leave the team

[molten oasis]

I noticed

[autumn vault]

So it is down to shroom or genie

[molten oasis]

What team are we editing and what’s the issue?

[autumn vault]

I think i can remove Landorus for smth

[solid frigate]

Landorus feels bad for me at least but idk

[autumn vault]

My zekrom team and calyrex ice being a pain in the ass

[molten oasis]

Hmm

Paste?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1bdce08e5eee0c34

This

[molten oasis]

hmm

You should keep lando for miraidon

[autumn vault]

Zekrom can function as a Midraidon counter

[molten oasis]

That’s not a counter

Miraidon is faster than you and whatever Tera you are does more damage depending on the moke

[autumn vault]

It is literally built to outspeed it after a ddance and tank a specs d-gleam and ohko bulky sets with d-claw and bolt strike

[molten oasis]

Ok, it’s still not a counter

[autumn vault]

So yes i use it as a miraidon counter and you cant change my mind

[molten oasis]

Especially with iron bundle being a VERY common partner for it

It can just wipe your speed boost

[autumn vault]

Bundle also cant ohko zekrom with a freeze dry specs

And clear amulet blocks speed drops

[molten oasis]

I’m not talking about specs

right

Ok whatever, you tend to need multiple tools to manage caly ice

[autumn vault]

And i am almost always bringing Zekrom

[molten oasis]

There is no 1 answer to it rn

[autumn vault]

Calyrex Ice is the pain in the ass

[molten oasis]

Yes

[autumn vault]

My mind is telling me to use wide guard

[solid frigate]

thats why Lando might be worse than Amoonguss cuz its more bulky

[molten oasis]

Id probably try to pressure a Tera with pao’s sucker punch so shifu can surging the Tera fire or cc Tera dark (I keep seeing that today)

[autumn vault]

My gut is telling me to use will-o-wisp incineroar

But Drago's answer seems very good

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss should also be able to manage it with spore

[autumn vault]

It is 27 speed ivs which is 48 speed which it always underspeeds it and outspeeds it no matter what in tr

[molten oasis]

Yes

[autumn vault]

That is genius

[molten oasis]

Good, now you need to spore caly

If it has redirect try to reposition to get amoonguss in a position to spore

[autumn vault]

I know i might sound crazy but, what about crunch/throat chop chien pao to directly threaten it?

[molten oasis]

Ie kill the redirection

Idk if you want to miss out of sucker punch

[solid frigate]

i see People Run Crunch Chien Pao but Throat Chop?

[molten oasis]

That priority is very helpful

Throat chop is better so that’s kinda odd

[autumn vault]

I said i might sound crazy for a reason

[molten oasis]

You can try it but idk how well it’ll work out

[autumn vault]

But it helps to directly threaten it

I think it is worth a shot

[solid frigate]

also i kinda see SV Casual Matched REALLY Likes Ho-Oh and Lugia

[molten oasis]

Why

[solid frigate]

IDFK I SAW LIKE 5 TEAMS IN THIS WEEK and i mean this week i mean 2 days

[autumn vault]

Someone is busy with the PC so for now i cant do any changes but i can always do them later

[willow vault]

I hate comfey, it’s so dumb. How does triage work as an ability

[molten oasis]

Ho-oh isn’t the worst thing to deal with and Lugia doenst do damage lol

[solid frigate]

Heal moves have Priority

[autumn vault]

Weakness Policy is the saving grace of lugia

[willow vault]

That’s so dumb

[autumn vault]

And also CM but it is minor

[molten oasis]

Until I parting shot you

Or just, blow you up

[solid frigate]

its not The Restricted that ruins my day,Chien Pao is the one

[molten oasis]

Paste?

[autumn vault]

Tomorrow i think i will test my team against calyrex ice when i do apply those changes

[molten oasis]

Id do bo3’s for that

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/15850acdc0241f0c

[molten oasis]

It’s better practice

I could see how you’re struggling with pao torrent

[willow vault]

I am taking a break, I OHKO the terapagos just for comfey to screw me. Whyyyyyyy

[molten oasis]

Oof

It happens

I haven’t had to fight any of those today, yet

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik it is better i just have little time that could end at any moment so i tend not to risk it but yeah i will try when i get the opportunity

[solid frigate]

Terapagos just did the If you kill me,You have to fall with me

[molten oasis]

Cool, just make sure you play caly ice

Agaisnt it

[dapper crag]

What will my flutter mane ev spread ve

[willow vault]

Nearly made it to 1200 again now I’m at 1100, atleast I made it out of 1000 after the nightmare from earlier

[autumn vault]

Ik

[autumn vault]

A bulky one

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 188 HP / 76 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Power Gem

[solid frigate]

should i keep rain dance for Koraidon and Groudon teams or Taunt for Trick Room protection

[molten oasis]

Item doesn’t matter, just take the ev’s

[dapper crag]

You sure

[molten oasis]

Rain, taunt will be stopped by anti prio pretty often

[molten oasis]

Yes

[dapper crag]

Are you trolling or is that the proper ev spread

[molten oasis]

It’s the proper ev spread

[autumn vault]

No trolling

[dapper crag]

Be honest cuz 252 attack seemed better

[molten oasis]

It’s not

[solid frigate]

I mean Rain dance would stil be here but Taunt idk

[autumn vault]

It uses SpA

[willow vault]

It isn’t

[autumn vault]

Not Attack

[dapper crag]

I meant sp attack

[bold geode]

I need a fuckin road map

[solid frigate]

same

[molten oasis]

Fluttermane doesn’t need lots of special attack investment to do it’s job, so you add bulk on to make it harder to kill

[autumn vault]

Well the bulk will hinder it a lot and it can still hit like a truck with bulkier sets

55/55/135 is not good bulk unless it is SpD

[solid frigate]

Choice Specs set Plus Proto Speed Boost

[bold geode]

I MEAN
It still needs some
Tbh 36 ain't enough especially if you're not Modest
In Reg D I legit would miss marks with 36 timid with specs and it's gotten worse

[molten oasis]

I said doesn’t need lots

[bold geode]

I'd say with Timid you probably go like 76-108?

[molten oasis]

Not doesn’t need any

[dapper crag]

Ok your right the answer is 252 sp attack 116 def and and the rest to speed

[autumn vault]

I use VERY bulky flutters and they still do huge damage

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure
Doesn't need too much, but like
Also good to note there is like
A minimum

[molten oasis]

No it’s not

[bold geode]

That's not even

[molten oasis]

The evs I sent are what you should use, you do not need 252 spA

[solid frigate]

is he trolling-

[molten oasis]

Ever, unless you’re SASH and that’s it

[dapper crag]

I'm not sash

Urshifu lives matter

[molten oasis]

Then run the evs i gave you

[autumn vault]

Then listen to Drago

[dapper crag]

Fine

[polar canyon]

Just found out that swampert has wide guard

Thoughts on wide guard yawn?

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon:Water/Ground Types?

[autumn vault]

The HP and Defense evs are more than enough to survive surging strikes

[molten oasis]

There’s just, better wide guard mons rn

[dapper crag]

How can I check the exact evs

[bold geode]

I can actually see Hitmontop rising

[molten oasis]

Garg, Mienshao, Hitmontop, even Valiant

[dapper crag]

.

[molten oasis]

on eterrain

Dude you just asked chill out

I was getting to that

[dapper crag]

Bro I'm playing sv not showdown

[polar canyon]

Just play showdown

[molten oasis]

Why?

[dapper crag]

No

[bold geode]

Like Hitmontop has a bit more validity now

[dapper crag]

Sv is better

[autumn vault]

You can calculate the evs but it has to be in a website and not in game

[molten oasis]

a bit

[polar canyon]

Idk if I wanna be using mienshao either

[dapper crag]

Ok how bout 252 defence

[molten oasis]

You need to test teams in showdown ti see how they feel so then you can play on SV

[autumn vault]

Mienshao is the better fighting type

[bold geode]

Well compared to none before so

[molten oasis]

No

[dapper crag]

And 200 heath

[polar canyon]

Better doesn't mean it's good

[bold geode]

Intimidate, Wide Guard

[molten oasis]

run the ev’s I gave you

[polar canyon]

Inner focus, wide guard

[autumn vault]

Inner Focus and CC to one shot incineroar, wide guard, FO

[solid frigate]

i feel like he's trolling-

[polar canyon]

No it doesn't

[molten oasis]

stop commenting on it

[dapper crag]

Well it's not that it's bc idk how to check evs in sv

[bold geode]

Inner Focus is like the one thing that Hitmontop don't got lmao

[polar canyon]

I tried using mienshao in reg e

[autumn vault]

Do the calcs, it does one shot

[molten oasis]

You have to use damage calculators online

It doesn’t work like that in the main game

[bold geode]

Wait are you tryna check what EVs you have on them rn?

[polar canyon]

Can you show the calcs

[molten oasis]

Yea so, mienshao needs adamant to ohko certian variants

[polar canyon]

Call me a quitter but I gave up on trying to help because they're a hard person to help

[autumn vault]

164 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 200-236 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

You’re fine

[polar canyon]

20 def incin

[molten oasis]

First of all, you should be 252 second of all id suggest going adamant

[solid frigate]

if you have the Level 100 Flutter, crank the level in showdown,also 10 Evs per 1 Vitamin.

[molten oasis]

Mienshao is typically sash

[autumn vault]

164+ Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 100 Def Incineroar: 204-240 (102 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

Again, 252

[solid frigate]

huh.

[molten oasis]

And check 236/156 impish

[polar canyon]

Yea

[bold geode]

How much does Hitmon need?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 186-218 (93 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

ok no wonder it kills Incin

[molten oasis]

can

[polar canyon]

Hitmon for sure doesn't kill incin

[autumn vault]

Why would anyone run that amoun of physical bulk

[molten oasis]

That’s the most investment I’ve seen on an incin

[molten oasis]

Urshifu surging strikes

That’s why

[autumn vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

That’s the spread I run

It’s good

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 237: Hitmontop

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Intimidate, Technician, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/95/95/35/110/70

Total

455

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

I have seen an incineroar survive a 252 surging strikes

[polar canyon]

It's a good one

[autumn vault]

Not adamant but still impressive

[molten oasis]

Yea Hitmontop has less killing power with similar utility and better bulk

[solid frigate]

VGC Menace (Incineroar) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 184 HP / 4 Atk / 112 Def / 188 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
  I ran this but i switched A Fire Dark type for another Fire Dark type

[polar canyon]

Those are some embarrassing stats

[solid frigate]

Special Defense tho-

[polar canyon]

One good stat

[molten oasis]

95 def and 110 is respectable bulk, the hp isn’t tbo

[solid frigate]

and thats it

[polar canyon]

95 is good bulk if it had hp

[bold geode]

Yeah you kinda gotta invest in its HP

[molten oasis]

Mind you incin is 95/90/90 when it comes to bulk

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 107: Hitmonchan

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Keen Eye, Iron Fist, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/105/79/35/110/76

Total

455

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Hitmontop's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rolling Kick, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Stone Edge, Strength, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Triple Axel, Triple Kick, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Foresight, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Mimic, Mind Reader, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hitmontop.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Hitmontop did win 2016 VGC but that was 8 years ago

[solid frigate]

And People say Hitmonlee is the Offensive one-

[autumn vault]

125 > 105

[solid frigate]

I meant Lee not top soz

[autumn vault]

Oh right

[molten oasis]

Ok but like, you don’t get intimidate with that

[solid frigate]

At least Inner FOcus is good

[autumn vault]

With clear amulet now everywhere, intimidate lost a bit of value but still very useful

[polar canyon]

Fake out immunity is pretty valuable

[molten oasis]

It’s mostly the restricteds running it

Which is hilarious considering how little it was used before restricted

It was used but not as much as it is rn

[polar canyon]

Consider how much more incineroar is gonna be used

Or would be rn without clear amulet

[autumn vault]

Incin is still very useful

[bold geode]

Incineroar is still king lmao

[molten oasis]

Incin still has incredible utility otherwise

[polar canyon]

If ca wasn't a thing incin would be like 110% usage

[autumn vault]

1 item wont ruin it

[solid frigate]

There is Baxcalibur and thats it

[polar canyon]

Not saying it's not good anymore

[molten oasis]

Pretty much

[polar canyon]

Incineroar would completely rule competitive if ca wasn't there

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately Zac doesn’t get access to it which actually fucking blows

[solid frigate]

Hitmontop>Hitmonchan>Hitmonlee

[polar canyon]

Just use base form zacian

[molten oasis]

Fuck no

[autumn vault]

No

[bold geode]

No don't

[solid frigate]

Which is worse

[molten oasis]

You miss out on so much of its potential doing that

[polar canyon]

It is worse

[solid frigate]

and also STEEL BABY

[autumn vault]

I don use Zacian but if i did, i would nope out of it

[bold geode]

You realize you lose Behemoth Blade with base form

[polar canyon]

But hey you're asking for clear amulet

[autumn vault]

Crowned> hero

[molten oasis]

Ok but you lose everytbing crowned has going for it

[solid frigate]

Bethemoth Blade is just So Good.

[polar canyon]

I know base is worse but you asked for clear amulet and I'm saying it's possible

[molten oasis]

That move is just

[solid frigate]

how about Follow Me mons pair with Zacian?

[polar canyon]

Not recommended but possible

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/86dde3f4b9a6182e btw how does it look now?

[bold geode]

Zamazenta Ttar

[molten oasis]

It’s almost like I’ve been testing that for weeks

[solid frigate]

oh boi

[patent marsh]

aight boys now I can go catch my 17th terapagos and then start on finishing up on my 18th save file

[polar canyon]

Reminder that it got body press this gen

[autumn vault]

Should i use Landorus Incarnate?

[molten oasis]

Damn

[autumn vault]

Which is huge for it

[molten oasis]

That is what pushed it to be better than Zac

Body press was massive for it

[autumn vault]

Now if only behemoth bash used defence and then we would be talking

[polar canyon]

Still crazy that it didn't get body press last gen

[solid frigate]

DID SOMEBODY SAID TURTLE

[polar canyon]

The gen when they invented body press

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[autumn vault]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-gif-14770879743161183760

[patent marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/villainess-level-99-yumiella-dolkness-punch-serious-gif-368235284375624565

[autumn vault]

Should i use Landorus Incarnate on this? Calyrex-Ice duh so i am reconsidering it

[molten oasis]

Yes

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

Gotta stop doing that I see the messages everytime

[autumn vault]

You got that from the Unite server right? It is Grimtwo

[molten oasis]

Yea

[molten oasis]

Broken lol

But if that was the case GHOLDENGO STONKS

[autumn vault]

Literally every 10 year old showdown player when they see a Gholdengo: ^

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

Hey man, we love gholdengo

[polar canyon]

Who's using fairy heatran

[solid frigate]

same

(Though i want to use Chi Yu-

[molten oasis]

It’s a-

[autumn vault]

Have you seen the comments on suspect tests? They hate Gholdengo so much it is hilarious since it isn't overwhelming, and the problem with Gholdengo is smaller than it was

[polar canyon]

You can use both

[solid frigate]

yeah

[solid frigate]

I'm not saying about Heatran

[molten oasis]

it’s a meme it’s not like it’s gonna stay updated

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/gholdengo.png

[solid frigate]

yeah Smogon consist of just 10 Year olds mostly-

[molten oasis]

Oh yea the gholdengo hatred on smogon, good thing I don’t play smogon

[solid frigate]

I am surpised that There is no Virgin Smogon Players Memes

[autumn vault]

I dont play smogon because of the state of it

I used to but i found hardly any enjoyment

[polar canyon]

Sleep is too broken :(

[solid frigate]

also smogon put Terapagos like Below Average

I was like:Bruh

[autumn vault]

Sleep didn't deserve to be banned imo

[solid frigate]

like why would they ban sleep-

[autumn vault]

Honestly if they hated sleep so much then suspect test it, besides Darkrai is in OU and it hardly ever runs Hypnosis (Dark void is still bad) and maybe Valiant

[solid frigate]

thats the Dumbest Thing ever,Now i can't use Sleep Talk moment

[polar canyon]

I mean one of their reasons was that sleep clause wouldn't be realistic in real games and it's just a simulator of the games

You can't just prevent someone from clicking spore twice in sv

[autumn vault]

They had a rule that didn't let you put more than 1 pokemon to sleep

[polar canyon]

That's what I mean

[autumn vault]

That was perfectly fine, why?!

[polar canyon]

They decided that actually that rule is dumb because you can't replicate it in games

You can't make spore not work because there's already a mon asleep

[autumn vault]

I used Breloom in early OU and it was a maniac

[polar canyon]

And like apparently the meta evolved into hypnosis darkrai and valiant being popular

Which is crazy

[solid frigate]

Virgin Smogon Players

• Bans Every non Meta mons like Archaludon
• Gholdengo too Broken 😦
• Sleep Too Broken
• 10 year old fanbase

Chad VGC Players:

• Fuck it We ball

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[autumn vault]

If only showdown had way more mature of a fanbase, then it wouldn't be dunked on so hard

[polar canyon]

Calyrex ice is broken? Well shucks guess we'll have to deal with it

[autumn vault]

Also Calyrex shadow is the best pokemon in singles, surprised? I sure am not

Even among mythics it is still better

[polar canyon]

It's no longer zacian?

[solid frigate]

they just dunked on so bad

I am surpised that Pokeaim (Joey) is still in Smogon despite being the inferior

[polar canyon]

I hope blunder never stops

[autumn vault]

Also Excadrill is in UU when it was dominant in the past, RIP my no. 1 mole

[polar canyon]

I love the agency

[patent marsh]

I mean at least it's not old sleep where you could be bedging forever if you're unlucky

[molten oasis]

Zacian got nerfed

Pretty hard

[patent marsh]

-20 atk and just having generic 100bp move wcyd

[autumn vault]

Archaludon was too broken, i think electro shot should have been banned

Archaludon + Seagull + Barraskewda were super good

And it punished you so hard if you didn't prepare for it

Heck, it even got over 80% winrate in a tournament

[molten oasis]

Thah move is VERY good still

[autumn vault]

Solo Arch were fine but not Rain arch which is why i think electro shot should have been banned and not archaludon

[patent marsh]

I mean yea 100bp move with no draw back ofc

[molten oasis]

Like, that move hurts

[patent marsh]

just it's not as insane as before cause no d/g-max n -20 on the atk stat did it quite a bit

[autumn vault]

Dmax couldn't stop Zacian, it was super broken

[willow vault]

I feel like I had to play a marathon to win that game and it’s 26 turns, for Smogon that would probably feel like the shortest match ever

[solid frigate]

F

[polar canyon]

Does koraidon run dragon claw or a dragon move at all?

[autumn vault]

I think so but i never played the Uber tier

[polar canyon]

In vgc

[knotty mirage]

Probably breaking swipe

[autumn vault]

Yes it does

Maybe B-Swipe but D-Claw for more offense

[knotty mirage]

Or outrage if you want damage but it's outrage

[autumn vault]

Outrage is inconsistent

[solid frigate]

Someone in Gen 9 Doubles Ubers:Ran full team of 6 Restricted Legendaries(Groudon,Calyrex Shadow,Koraidon,Miraidon,Arceus and Zamazenta)

Me with a Testing Giratina and Kyogre team:

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-sad-crying-fake-tears-gif-15773074417127412974

[molten oasis]

At least it wasn’t that annoying ass coil milotic I fought today

[knotty mirage]

That look like average in game casual match too me

[molten oasis]

28 turns of that was miserable

[polar canyon]

At least it's not gravity milotic

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2073598630

Its actually real-

[molten oasis]

Ok but at least I’d be able to nuke it with Hearthflame

[polar canyon]

So what happened to the fezandipiti guy

[autumn vault]

You somehow won thay

[solid frigate]

Yeah and most of the kills are not from the Restricted

Its from Bolt and Lando I

[molten oasis]

The fact you won too lmao

[molten oasis]

Don’t say anything

[solid frigate]

kek

VGC Players>Smogon Players fr

[molten oasis]

Fr

[solid frigate]

this is probably my best Win besides the 2 trick room stalls

[solid frigate]

the thing is,This is AV Kyogre-

[molten oasis]

Lol

[polar canyon]

Drago

What do you think about dialga origin

[autumn vault]

Add Kingambit with Gholdengo and now we have a perfect representation of the fanbase

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/4d5de884a716b468
The team i used

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

I changed to scarf,this is After AV Kyogre

[autumn vault]

Throw a ton of food into the water, FEED THE ORCA

[solid frigate]

this is a Chiz Plays Reference lol-

[autumn vault]

I was making smth up, you ruined it

[solid frigate]

Sorry ;-;

[autumn vault]

This is something to cheer you up @solid frigate

[molten oasis]

Uhh

[dapper crag]

Dialga-Origin's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Cut, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Outrage, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Blizzard, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Power Gem, Roar of Time, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Twister

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gravity, Heal Block, Hone Claws, Iron Defense, Magnet Rise, Metal Sound, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Dialga-Origin.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

its definenlty more bulky

but barely

[molten oasis]

Bulky dragon steel type that hits hard

[solid frigate]

yeah

[autumn vault]

It already has great bulk

[molten oasis]

Idrk what else to get out of it

[autumn vault]

And the typing makes it even bulkier

[solid frigate]

Draco Meteor,Flash Cannon,Earth Power and Protect?

[solid frigate]

And also,Free Eurobeat Music

[molten oasis]

That can work, idk

[autumn vault]

Add a choir at the beggining and a very fast piano and now it is something only chads listen to

[molten oasis]

It’s not anything I’ve experimented with and im not really sure what it will do, but idt it’s really too good but I see some potential

So maybe low b high c

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

Maybe

Palkia feels like a Downgrade tho with Origin,Cuz its mostly used as Trick Roomer

[mighty stump]

Roar Of Time

[autumn vault]

Ah darn he retired

[mighty stump]

Yep

[solid frigate]

Dialga:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[autumn vault]

Palkia:AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[mighty stump]

I am now not liable for bad takes in this chat anymore

[molten oasis]

Wait you actually retired

[mighty stump]

Also RoT > Draco Meteor

[autumn vault]

Good for you

[mighty stump]

Oh you thought I was joking

[molten oasis]

You’ve said it before and didn’t do it

[autumn vault]

I was playing along, funny seeing people's reactions

[molten oasis]

Man that’s fucking weird

[solid frigate]

also.How does Dialga Scream when In Origin Form he feels like he is Choking

[bold geode]

Oh no

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/dialga-origin.png

[mighty stump]

True

But the takes were bad enough and I really didn't feel the want to be responsible in a sense anymore

[autumn vault]

We saw Tree Co. do the same trick with the mod role, Tofu you aren't fooling us

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[mighty stump]

If people wanna play along with bad takes too then like

[molten oasis]

Fair

[solid frigate]

anyways

[autumn vault]

Justified

[solid frigate]

Origin Dialga>Origin Palkia

(Might be bad take)

[mighty stump]

Good thing i'm not trying to fool anybody, I just am doing c:

Anyways back to blogigng

[molten oasis]

Gl

[autumn vault]

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH Hegajugabudozihe (supposed to be choking noises) (choking on the satelite)

[bold geode]

Lord
We made Tofu retire

[solid frigate]

the world is ending

[autumn vault]

Good luck on the Blog

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

its not even good in Trick Room anymore

[autumn vault]

The takes were shit as hell

Good thing i (probably) didn't say a bad take

[solid frigate]

I'm Sorry Palkia(Altered) is better than Palkia(Origin)

[bold geode]

Man Dillon got reins now

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

What reins?

The reins of unity?

[bold geode]

[autumn vault]

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

honestly If Aura Trio is in SV i might use Xerneas over Terapagos cuz i am still a Huge Gen 6 MF

[autumn vault]

Xerneas and flutter would split the game in 2

No cap

[solid frigate]

thats the funny part,i would use it cuz of Gen 6-

[solid frigate]

also Fun Fact, Xerneas is in Anything Goes

[autumn vault]

Only in NatDex Ubers

[solid frigate]

Bro get them a Steel type-

[autumn vault]

Tera fire blast

[solid frigate]

Does Xerneas Learn that

ok maybe not

[autumn vault]

No

Just too used to seeing pokemon with tera blast

[solid frigate]

I'm just making a Hypothetical Xerneas Gen 9 team

[willow vault]

What moves do Landorus-I run commonly?

nvm

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8fd65e85b9636a70

This is the best i got for Xerneas's Reg G if Aura Trio Is in Scarlet and Violet

[autumn vault]

earth power sludge bomb substitute and protect, you can switch sub for sandsear

[willow vault]

Won’t forget

[willow vault]

I’m glad it isn’t, I don’t like Xerneas

[solid frigate]

i feel like this would be the team i would ran if Xerneas exist

[bold geode]

Hmm
Thinking on what to build with nezy

[willow vault]

nezy?

[solid frigate]

?

Necrozma?

[willow vault]

That makes sense

[bold geode]

I meant next

[solid frigate]

oh

[willow vault]

I think it should be necrozma

[bold geode]

No

[willow vault]

How about bronzong?

[bold geode]

Nah

[willow vault]

But it slaps

[bold geode]

No

[molten oasis]

I played more games with the team, im being suggested max speed on Zac which I think is just, super unnecessary

You don’t outspeed any scarf mons so like, what’s the point lol

207 has been good enough for me

[mighty stump]

in b4 Dragapult with Wisp ruins your day

[molten oasis]

Huh?

B4?

[mighty stump]

In before*

[willow vault]

Before

[molten oasis]

Oh lol

Ok but like, I don’t see any Dragapults

[mighty stump]

That's the jokje

I know itll piss you off if you do

[molten oasis]

Ok true

But also, I still think max is unnecessary

I think for now I’m satisfied with this team

Gonna work on snow with Gholdengoat

[solid frigate]

mhm

\

[willow vault]

Im aware I didnt play great, but this is evidence that bronzong is the GOAT. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2098909043-y2eiu1uptmod448ptq7vr7dweh1yabypw

[autumn vault]

So i want to preface (pun intended) this by saying: Bronzong is still good

[willow vault]

I know

[autumn vault]

Of course Hugh battle theme is still good (i mean the song that the replay is playing)

[willow vault]

I dont have sound on when I play so I didnt notice

[pearl wind]

bronzong my beloved

[willow vault]

Its so cracked

[autumn vault]

Gyro Ball from a Bronzong is pretty busted with that shit speed

[willow vault]

also they absolutely threw the game but we dont talk about that

[autumn vault]

Protecting = Throwing

[willow vault]

It can ohko quite a lot including kyrum-black

[willow vault]

yes when they could have killed my bronzong with ogerpon and allowed me to get up a iron defence

[autumn vault]

We all know Bronzongo ohkos a Kyurem Black, but what about calyrex shadow?

[willow vault]

no idea, I usually dont bring bronzong into calyrex shadow

[autumn vault]

0 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 93-109 (53.1 - 62.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow vault]

fair enough

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 118-141 (67.4 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow vault]

I wonder if bronzong ohko's a comfey

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (88 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Comfey: 102-120 (64.5 - 75.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (88 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Comfey: 128-152 (81 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It doesn't sadly

[willow vault]

dammit, I thought I could just delete it

😦

[molten oasis]

The hate is real damn

[willow vault]

that flower circle pisses me off

[polar canyon]

Bronzong should have gotten wide guard

Tbh it could have been a tm

More wide guard users would be really welcome

Having to use a pokemon that is admittedly kinda mid just because it has wide guard is annoying

Like hitmontop

Without wide guard it would just be really bad incineroar

[atomic mural]

Guys I found a super niche counter to calyrex ice

[mighty stump]

Oh boy

[polar canyon]

Is it incineroar

[atomic mural]

Nope

This Pokémon also gets wide guard

[polar canyon]

Is it gallade

[atomic mural]

Nope

[willow vault]

Is it Lunala (I know it gets wide guard)

[polar canyon]

It's hitmontop or mienshao

[atomic mural]

It’s a bug water type (one of the only type combos that resist ice, ground, and fighting)

And it’s super bulky

[polar canyon]

What does araquanid do back to it

How much does liquidation do

[atomic mural]

It dosent just get wide guard it’s a pretty good support imo

[autumn vault]

Araquanid?

[polar canyon]

I think a lot can use wide guard and not be weak to it

[willow vault]

What else does it do?

[polar canyon]

Sticky web!!!!!!!

It has pretty strong liquidation

[autumn vault]

Why web?

[polar canyon]

Idk it's a webber in singles I think

[willow vault]

Does it have a strong bug bite

[polar canyon]

It only has strong liquidation because of the ability

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 752: Araquanid

Types

Water/Bug

Abilities

Water Bubble, Water Absorb (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/70/92/50/132/42

Total

454

Other Formes

Araquanid-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Ability: Water Bubble

This Pokemon's offensive stat is doubled while using a Water-type attack. If a Pokemon uses a Fire-type attack against this Pokemon, that Pokemon's offensive stat is halved when calculating the damage to this Pokemon. This Pokemon cannot be burned. Gaining this Ability while burned cures it.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[atomic mural]

It gets lunge for lowering opposing attack stats (obviously you have to knock off the clear amulet on calyrex but it’s still good)

[polar canyon]

Huge power but only for water moves

[atomic mural]

It also gets water absorb entrainment

[polar canyon]

Oh wooow

[atomic mural]

It’s also slower than clayrex ice so you can outspeed in truck room

[polar canyon]

And do what?

[willow vault]

I love truck room

[atomic mural]

You know how calyrex Ice likes to run Tera fire

[polar canyon]

It's gonna do liquidation for 30% and save the day

[atomic mural]

EXACTLY

Araquanid sweep

[polar canyon]

It also has like no moves other than wide guard and liquidation

You can use mirror coat

[atomic mural]

Lunge, entrainment, icy wind

[willow vault]

That’s 5 moves though

[polar canyon]

Slow icy wind

[willow vault]

Is it the slowest icy wind user?

[atomic mural]

Like you could run liquidation, wide guard, mirror coat for caly shadow, and protect to stall

[polar canyon]

Probably avalugg

Protect fails after wide guard btw

That's a funny interaction

[atomic mural]

Really? That’s weird I didn’t know that

[willow vault]

What do you do against gastrodon and Ogerpon-wellspring? With that specific set?

[atomic mural]

You could run lunge

To lower attack of ogerpon

[willow vault]

That wasn’t in the advertised set I referenced that you put in the chat

[atomic mural]

Well since now I know that wideguard fails after protect

Remove protect for lunge

[solid frigate]

imagine Protect then wide Guard as a gimmick to stop Urshifu-

[willow vault]

Urshifu just ignores protect, if that’s the joke then I’m being slow

[solid frigate]

ik what i mean is that double Protect stops it

Not Double protect on 2 Mons,but 1 mon

[willow vault]

Oh like super protect that even Urshifu can’t ignore

[solid frigate]

yeah

kinda like Max Guard

to balance Urshifu

[willow vault]

Or we just remove Urshifu from existance and we can have regular protect

[solid frigate]

the thing is,If Gamefreak Made National Dex a thing

which probably Gen 10

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5fab2a0639c9dd06 well, failure #4 right here, yk

[willow vault]

Nice name

I figured it was you

[molten oasis]

thanks, its directly related to how i feel about this fucking format

feels impossible to not have bad mu's into half the fucking metagame

[solid frigate]

Its kinda similar to SWSH that Special Attackers are more common-

[willow vault]

Just use bronzong, automatic wins (if your a better player than me) (you are)

[molten oasis]

idk what do fucking do man, i went and tried other restricteds today and did awful with them

i dont want to give up but oh buy im on the verge of doing it

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-boss-oogly-goo-gif-3090293690467084064

[solid frigate]

the thing is.... Porygon 2 Feels Out of Place

[willow vault]

How about using Calyrex-no horse

[molten oasis]

tell that to tofu who suggested it in the first place, and fuck no

calyrex no horse is dogshit

[solid frigate]

I'm finding a Play for it,cuz i want to try make a Zacian Team

[willow vault]

It’s atleast not the devil that is Calyrex-with horse

[molten oasis]

ok but like, i feel like everything i try doesnt work

[solid frigate]

wait,Shed Tail into Sub Zacian?

[molten oasis]

or fit how i play

idk what to do anymore

[willow vault]

How do you normally play?

[molten oasis]

i dont even know rn

[willow vault]

ho, balance, stall? Something in between

[molten oasis]

balance

[willow vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

i feel like my plays rely on rng half the time

[solid frigate]

i am thinking for Drago rn

[atomic mural]

Dude I feel you

[molten oasis]

god, fucking idk man, idk what to do anymore

my rng already being ass sucks and then when i need any kind of help no, fuck you

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Idfk

[molten oasis]

continue to have shit rng

[willow vault]

First off, amoongus + winsomemore is cracked.

[molten oasis]

and ontop of that i dont have any wants or urges to go play anything else

[solid frigate]

Wait,Zacian,Orthworm,Gouging Fire trio?

[molten oasis]

i just dont want to go play the calys or kyogre

[willow vault]

Ok, that’s workable with

[solid frigate]

Shed Tail into Zacian so Zacian does not need to Bring Sub

[molten oasis]

have fun cooking im gonna go do something else and try to fucking figure out why i keep losing every match and how tf im supposed to fix this

[atomic mural]

https://youtu.be/5pTcWCXHw2I?si=1VtI7mYMlK7ZH_3u well would ya look at that

[solid frigate]

I'm literally don't want to build Zacian Team in SWSH but now i have to build it for fun

[willow vault]

We an anti-NeilVGC chat here (or atleast I am)

[atomic mural]

Nuh uh

[molten oasis]

I do not trust Niels for guides

[willow vault]

I think everyone will have more fun if they use Palkia. Just as a way to seperate from trying to win all the time and also be able to enjoy playing the game

[atomic mural]

Ok but what does reg g stand for? Regulation groudon

[willow vault]

I believe it’s actually regulation Giratina

[solid frigate]

i just don't care about him,I really Watch Wolfey and Cybertron

[molten oasis]

Regulating get shit on by everything because you chose the worst option for a restricted

[willow vault]

Same I also watch Jamie Boyt, I really like the creative teams used

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

I watch Wolfey and Cybertron because they feel very interactive and they have results

[willow vault]

I mean valid, I just like creative teams

[solid frigate]

I think Orthworm is kinda slept on

[willow vault]

Huh? Why would I ever use Orthworm?

[solid frigate]

Shed Tail.

i mean Cyclizar exists

[willow vault]

In doubles?

[solid frigate]

i saw Drago's Sub Zacian and got me thinking

he can use a Shed Tail User

I'll make 2 versions of his team

[willow vault]

Have fun with that

[atomic mural]

Bro, Tera dragon zacian shed tail dragon cheer sceptile

[willow vault]

Why not use dragon cheer with a better pokemon?

[solid frigate]

Sceptile is Fast,but I wanna try Wolfey's Idea of Body Press Orthworm,so i will make different Versions

[atomic mural]

Sceptile gets both shed tail and dragon cheer

[willow vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Yippee zacian is a gimmick

[atomic mural]

But yeah you don’t have to use sceptile if you don’t want shed tail

[molten oasis]

Sounds funnnn

[willow vault]

Better than complete irrelevancy

[solid frigate]

I'll try make one

i can't make sure anythign

[atomic mural]

you actually have 2 options

[molten oasis]

If it’s literally going to only be a gimmick im not playing this format

[solid frigate]

thats why three versions will be make

[solid frigate]

i feel like its just steep competition that stops Zacian for going far like in SWSH

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump just come read this 😭

[willow vault]

Have fun in the next few months I guess

[bold geode]

Oh my I came back to stuff

[willow vault]

Drago doesn’t want to play the format ever again, other than that people are just making niche teams

[solid frigate]

i am experimenting Zacian Currently

[chrome knot]

HAHAHA

[willow vault]

Yeah and using sceptile, if your using sceptile it’s niche

[chrome knot]

like bruh this hardly comp discussion

[willow vault]

Well yeah

[bold geode]

I'm just like
I've been contemplating what to do
I gotta do research lol

[solid frigate]

3 versions

i have 3 versions to make

[chrome knot]

i gotta finish up my orlando team

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/a006e9f76af41466 like this

[willow vault]

You should use dialga, I don’t know why It’s just a cool pokemon

[chrome knot]

just need to play some pla lmao

[bold geode]

No

[willow vault]

When’s Orlando?

[chrome knot]

this weekend

[molten oasis]

I don’t enjoy playing anything else rn and I feel like I can’t make good plays and have a poor understanding of the format and idk how to best a good chunk of this stupid forms t

[atomic mural]

i thought that said "wheres orlando?"

[willow vault]

Ok, just random useless suggestions

[molten oasis]

I do not know what im supposed to try and build with

[bold geode]

My dumbass can't read rn
The sun got me Emma
The eclipse got me

[molten oasis]

Idk what fucking members help

[willow vault]

I ain’t stupid, just dumb alright

[molten oasis]

Idk how to make anything work

[chrome knot]

i just got a 0spe p2 & a 0spe ursaring today so yippie

[solid frigate]

heck i have 2 versions of My Terapagos Team rn

[chrome knot]

deadass?

[bold geode]

No live ass

[chrome knot]

dude ur goin blind

bye bye

[bold geode]

Nah jk I used the glasses

[chrome knot]

i did too i was in the 99% zone tho

wish we were in the 100% lmao

[bold geode]

I was in the path of totality

[chrome knot]

duuuude i wish !!

[bold geode]

Unfortunately though

[willow vault]

I feel like I’ve seen this team 100 times already

[molten oasis]

Idk what works, idk what clicks for me, idk what I need to learn, I need help with this format man idk wth to do

[atomic mural]

i just gotta wait till 2099

[solid frigate]

i just want to show example,like even with 2 versions i am also struggling

[willow vault]

I meant on ladder

[bold geode]

FUCKING CLOUDY

It was fuckin cloudy Emma like bruh wtf

[solid frigate]

yeah i am still 1100+

[willow vault]

That’s epic

[foggy lodge]

what is that

[willow vault]

Come on man, it’s been a bad day

[bold geode]

Solar eclipse

[foggy lodge]

An eclipse?

[bold geode]

Solar eclipse happened today

[foggy lodge]

Ohhhh

[bold geode]

I was in the path of totality, meaning it like
Fully covered the sun at one point

[solid frigate]

sadly i can't watch it in UK

[willow vault]

Neither

[foggy lodge]

Fuck, hate living in Chile

[willow vault]

Welp, my career is over. I don’t think it even begun. 😦

[atomic mural]

bro i forgot about skitter smack (lowers special attack)

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/807799bbf3648fcf
https://pokepast.es/3b663fdb012a7015
https://pokepast.es/f62414a0c3264ba6

Done.

Zacian EVs can use Drago ones

I'm now testing it

wrong ability on rilaboom-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2098988500
First test with Wrong Ability- wy

[atomic mural]

where do you check a pokemon stats in offical tournaments

[solid frigate]

Pikalytics

[next stump]

@atomic mural labmaus, victoryroad, limitless

[atomic mural]

thanks

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2098997745

Turtle

[polar canyon]

If the squidward killing machine was a restricted legendary what stats do you think it would have

[solid frigate]

Sees Calyrex Shadow's Stats

[tough idol]

Lol

[solid frigate]

somehow Terapagos Tanked Precipice Blades-

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 105-124 (41.1 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 52-62 (27.3 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO\

252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Terapagos-Stellar: 130-154 (50.9 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Rain: 97-115 (51 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow vault]

terapagos eats the hits damn, maybe I should investigate intousing it

[solid frigate]

It tanks Koraidon and Miraidon as well-

[willow vault]

It tanks Koraidon?

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 72-84 (37.8 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Koraidon Collision Course vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 164-194 (64.3 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow vault]

what the heck

[solid frigate]

I am not expecting this-

[willow vault]

is it just the shifu's then which threaten an ohko

[solid frigate]

Lemme check

I'll use Rapid Strike

[willow vault]

it does 99.8% to your spread with stellar tera max attack

thats the min hit

[solid frigate]

156+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 180-212 (70.5 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
156+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal on a critical hit: 45-54 (23.6 - 28.4%) -- approx. 53.2% chance to 4HKO

Main set that VGC Reg F shows

[willow vault]

I use stellar tera, urshifu-single strike

[solid frigate]

156+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 45-53 (23.6 - 27.8%) -- 82% chance to 4HKO

[willow vault]

don't think it makes a difference between the shifu forms

[solid frigate]

156+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Urshifu Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 89-105 (46.8 - 55.2%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO

156+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Urshifu Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 100 Def Terapagos-Stellar: 356-420 (139.6 - 164.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[willow vault]

what am I seeing

[solid frigate]

i Love me some Turtle

also the Terapagos is My EVs

EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe

[willow vault]

are you modest? or a defensive boosting nature

[solid frigate]

Modest

[willow vault]

tera shell is crazy, once you stellar tera Im good to attack but before hand I do nothing. Thats crazy

[solid frigate]

thats why People use Fake Out,Good Thing i have Protect to stop Incineroar Ruining my Days

[willow vault]

valid

[solid frigate]

i might as well make a Photoshop of a Banner for My Team

[willow vault]

I think my favourite play I've gotten to use was against someone just protecting their terapagos from my fake out so and I needed a fake out so I u-turned into myself with urshifu (yes it hurt) as they tried double protecting and hard switched incineroar so I could bring it back out and fake out safely the next turn. I still lost the game lmao

[solid frigate]

thats honestly a respectable Play

[willow vault]

too bad I lost, it wasn't even a close game so it was for nothing.

[strange fjord]

its a 2hko, but calc says 4hko since it thinks tera shell is always active

oop was looking at old chat

[willow vault]

when it stellar tera's it changes ability allowing for more damage to be dealt

[solid frigate]

I am Bored

[willow vault]

same

its a really cool banner though

[solid frigate]

Also yes The Chi Yu is just glowy

[willow vault]

I didnt even see it the first time

feesh

[chrome knot]

lmao

[atomic mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4dZLn5e7IY

[willow vault]

I watched the vid, very impressive acheivement I cant lie

I was suprised by the chien-pao spread then I remembered who was using it

whats everyone using for reg g?

[solid frigate]

Mine is Obvious

[atomic mural]

zacian?

man i just dont know

[solid frigate]

tbf i want to use it but i don't have it

[atomic mural]

nice

im using groudon (miraidon I cant play)

[solid frigate]

i thought you can- never mind

[willow vault]

I dont think aegis is in the game

[willow vault]

very nice

[solid frigate]

PFFT

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-sad-crying-fake-tears-gif-15773074417127412974

[rustic mountain]

boyts one of the few that can make something like av pao work

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/3d0a35f9b4490c3f heres my team (im cooking)

[solid frigate]

already seen the preview of it

[atomic mural]

it didnt tho

[willow vault]

very interesting

[rustic mountain]

he used it to great success previously

[atomic mural]

bro got last of last place at euic

[rustic mountain]

one result doesnt change that

[atomic mural]

erm yes it does

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 549: Lilligant-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Hustle, Leaf Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/75/50/75/105

Total

480

Base Species

Lilligant

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

i think it could work

in reg G

[atomic mural]

did you know with max speed timid chollophyl outspeeds max speed timid choice scarf calyrex-s

[rustic mountain]

1 bad result nullifies his top cut w/ the same pao? ok

[atomic mural]

yes

[rustic mountain]

lol

[solid frigate]

For the last time that i heard that in VC,Y E S

[atomic mural]

after you lilligant on groudon is very funny (just like torkoal but better)

[solid frigate]

also Let Chi Yu Cook

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-overheat-miss-blind-pokemon-pokemon-meme-gif-3700292439795595212

let it cook

[willow vault]

how I feel using palkia

[atomic mural]

what do you guys think would be the max speed evs terapagos would want torun

[polar nest]

ok im ready to cook

[tough idol]

I always thought he was different. Then to make this. (Content fishing)

[willow vault]

I have no idea, im gonna say 72

[solid frigate]

F

[polar nest]

ok hear me out : assualt vest blastoise

[solid frigate]

[atomic mural]

HES COOKING

[willow vault]

I cant believe it was fake, oh my goodness how will I survive

[polar nest]

did i burn it

[atomic mural]

yes

[willow vault]

only slightly

[polar nest]

i need a fake out user on my rain team

[willow vault]

still edible

[tough idol]

He went 0-4

[dapper crag]

Ludicolo

[willow vault]

Im aware

[polar nest]

o

[tough idol]

And made a video about it

[polar nest]

also i use politoed over pelliper

[hard wolf]

mienshoa

[willow vault]

ludicolo

[tough idol]

Paste?

[polar nest]

alr

[solid frigate]

i sincerly don't know what is going on

[hard wolf]

maybe hes kinda cheeks tho and theres many better swift swim users

[willow vault]

fake out delibird

[solid frigate]

sad it does not have scald anymore..

[willow vault]

I cant believe that delibird gets fake out, thats really odd. Why does delibird have fake out?

[solid frigate]

idfk ask gamefreak

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/d333018252305ae3

im 9 for 21

[tough idol]

I just got home, they want a fake out on rain team.

I don't know the team. So paste? Nothing to get confused about

[solid frigate]

ok it does make sense

[willow vault]

do you know how I can contact gamefreak to understand this decision?

[solid frigate]

but the natures-

[polar nest]

the team does or my win rate does?

[willow vault]

the team

[solid frigate]

the team feels normal,until i look deeper into the mix

[polar nest]

whats wrong there?

[solid frigate]

Urshifu:Moveset is fine,EVs Look weird

[willow vault]

dragon claw? Doesnt archaludon get better dragon stab?

[polar nest]

yea it gets dragon pulse by tm

[solid frigate]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 44 SpA / 180 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Dragon Pulse
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon

[polar nest]

working on getting the tm

[solid frigate]

also AGAUV BERRY????

[polar nest]

on what?

oh oops i ment to put assualt vest

[solid frigate]

WHY ARCHALUDON HAS AGAUV BERRY- Oh-

[willow vault]

it's a cool berry tbf

[tough idol]

I would drop Primarina and Thund for - Incin Lando I

[solid frigate]

as Archaludon Fanboy i can't

[polar nest]

oh no i need to re ev train

[willow vault]

as an Archauldon hater, do what you want

[solid frigate]

this is Technically what i use For Archaludon

[polar nest]

oh

[solid frigate]

[polar nest]

can i use the evs i have

just get rid of atk

[solid frigate]

you can try it out,

[willow vault]

I think I may be the only person here who dislikes archaludon, I don't understand whats interesting about it

[solid frigate]

I just like the Design-

[polar nest]

i thought body press was calculated by atk but boosted by defense boosts

agreed

[solid frigate]

Its calculated by Defense stats

[polar nest]

ahh

[solid frigate]

and stamina is the best thing for it

[polar nest]

i will 0 atk my arch then

i have stamina

[solid frigate]

good

[polar nest]

I was thinking about switching out primarina

[solid frigate]

i used Archaludon for Entire Reg F lol-

[willow vault]

ok, guess its creative differences. I just see bridges often so they seem less interesting to me.

[tough idol]

I just said that

[solid frigate]

Primarina is nice but its lacking-

[tough idol]

But I'm out

[polar nest]

yea

[molten oasis]

[willow vault]

hallo

[solid frigate]

Drago are you ok now?

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna build another team and just put in deeper levels of time into it

Yes I’m ok now

[polar nest]

whats better for ludicolo swift swim or rain dish

[solid frigate]

good you can do it my guy

[solid frigate]

Swift Swim,

[polar nest]

ok

[willow vault]

Drago I have solution, continue playing reg f for the rest of the month then play reg g when we have more resources available. But also glad your ok and you got this.

[molten oasis]

Still Yk, pissed about my rng but that’s just part of the game

What am I gonna do in reg f

[willow vault]

it happens sometimes

[molten oasis]

All the tours are switching to reg g

[polar nest]

hmm what item

[willow vault]

not have to play against reg g stuff

[molten oasis]

I’m not going to learn if I don’t play into it

I need to practice and learn to keep my cool, it’s getting better slowly

[solid frigate]

Item Life Orb,Then Giga Drain,Weather Ball,Ice Beam,Protect?

[willow vault]

im sure its better than you think

[polar nest]

ok

[molten oasis]

What zacian?

Or my mental?

[willow vault]

no, your play

[solid frigate]

the doggo,but yeah both.

[polar nest]

but im using it for fake out

[molten oasis]

Ah

[solid frigate]

There is two Starters that is superior for it

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-power-up-anime-power-up-pokemon-move-gif-23569610

[molten oasis]

Idk I mean, tofu’s seen me play and I do play very well

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-drumming-pokemon-leon-gif-27454385

[polar nest]

rain team

[molten oasis]

However just, I haven’t gotten a team to click for me

[polar nest]

rain team

although i want to build a rillaboom team

[molten oasis]

Ludicolo is an okay rain abuser

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom is way better.

[polar nest]

fair

[solid frigate]

even tho i did not use it,its very good

[polar nest]

with what tho hmm

[tough idol]

@polar nest you want to ask for fake out options, then don't even pay attention when you get them.

[molten oasis]

Also rilla isn’t really a thing yku build around

[tough idol]

I'm out

[molten oasis]

Rilla is more utility and not the focus

What format are you playing in

[solid frigate]

Reg F it seems

[polar nest]

yea reg f

[solid frigate]

also since his Team is based Around Archaludon,so Rillaboom is fine for a Partner

[polar nest]

i justthink having a fake out user would be good

[molten oasis]

What’s the team?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/d333018252305ae3

[polar nest]

this

[solid frigate]

i am dumb founded-

[polar nest]

how

[molten oasis]

we got work to do I see