competitive_discussion

[tough idol]

4-0 and done.

[pearl wind]

[solid frigate]

Damn

[tough idol]

Psyspam ftw 3rd Seas in a row.

[molten oasis]

I’m back ti square one

Going to go sub zacian route

Ditching gouging fire

Like I expected it sucks

[torn parrot]

Run a different weather

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna ditch ho oh, it's only really good into zacian

[torn parrot]

🐇

[molten oasis]

yea, last time I did that it sucked and kyogre is mid

[torn parrot]

Run rayquaza

[molten oasis]

I’m staying on Zac

[torn parrot]

Kk

Hmmm

Yeah I dunno how to beat sun teams

They seem scary

[molten oasis]

I can beat koraidon, it’s groudon that’s the problem

Idk how to beat it at all

[torn parrot]

I’d have though tera fire koraidon would be a little bitch to fight

Hmm

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go tornshifu route tbh

[torn parrot]

Kk

Yeah I’m honestly not sure how to beat them with a normal team

I’m running iron defense zamazenta with will o wisp sabeleye

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[torn parrot]

Will all the clear amulet running around will o wisp feels better for me

[cyan smelt]

Just make sure your sableye doesn't have gravity lmao

[torn parrot]

No worries it doesn’t

It’s the basic foul play will o wisp light screen encore set

[cyan smelt]

What do you do against tera fire caly i

[torn parrot]

The ice one?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[torn parrot]

I stack iron defenses until I feel nothing

Smile

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should run zama

[torn parrot]

Zama is honestly extremely underrated

I run him with tera ghost so I can just obliterate incineroar turn 1

[cyan smelt]

It's huge that it got body press

[torn parrot]

Massive

It would be terrible if it didn’t have body press a true joke of a pokemon

[cyan smelt]

I got beaten by budget zamazenta yesterday, iron def cobalion

[torn parrot]

Luckily gamefreak grew some brain cells

His body press with his built in defense boost is so strong it two shots things like Miraidon

And after an iron defense

Forget about it your dead one shot

[cyan smelt]

How do you handle caly shadow

[torn parrot]

I have other guys for that

light screen sableye snarl ting lu and rillaboom

[wooden gazelle]

yo what are the rules of reg g

[tough idol]

1 restricted mon

[wooden gazelle]

k thx

what is the best item for calyrex ice

[solid frigate]

i might ran a Kyogre team for soley because Screw Groudon and Rayquaza fans

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle or zapdos as partner

[solid frigate]

except For Tornadus what is good Partner for Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

Archaludon. Urshifu. Waterpon.

[solid frigate]

Archaludon it is

Says the person (Me) who is obsessed with that

[lofty tartan]

Just think "what fits on a rain team?"

[cyan smelt]

Archaludon is goated

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot

[cyan smelt]

You might want tera grass or something for kyogre

[solid frigate]

yeah i learnt my mistake

kinda want to use Cresslia

[craggy dagger]

Gouging fire

[solid frigate]

what set should i use for Cresslia

[craggy dagger]

blessing is 100%
psychic for stab ig?
dunno about coverage move

iirc it’s blessing that heals right?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Lunar Blessing

[craggy dagger]

dance is restore max but self KO

[solid frigate]

I think of Lunar Blessing,Helping Hand,Shadow Ball and Maybe Psychic

[cyan smelt]

I kinda still want to use ho oh but behind screens

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/75ae038c0f322bcf

hmmmmmm

[craggy dagger]

looks okay

[lofty tartan]

Cresselia just seems sort of out of place here.

[cyan smelt]

Why not amoonguss

[craggy dagger]

doesn’t cress get thunder-

[solid frigate]

WAIT.

she does.

[lofty tartan]

Cress isn't going to be doing much of anything with Thunder and base 75 spAtk

It is definitely not a good offensive piece.

[craggy dagger]

lmao that’s true

[solid frigate]

she is more of a support

[craggy dagger]

yes

Cress is full support imo-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 488: Cresselia

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/70/110/75/120/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[craggy dagger]

you could run icy wind though for speed control

[cyan smelt]

Ik how about bolt

[lofty tartan]

Usually, yeah, but usually support on TR teams. Here it just seems out of place. Two attacks, Lunar Blessing with mediocre speed, and Helping Hand.

[solid frigate]

me who has Tornadus:

[lofty tartan]

Like Icy Wind is fine but it's a lot stronger on a fast mon so you can check speed tiers and outspeed something on a -1

[craggy dagger]

both work

[solid frigate]

i can try bolt if you want

[craggy dagger]

booster thunder bolt?

[tough idol]

Not tested on Showdown but I have something ready for May on cart

[solid frigate]

yeah or AV Bolt

[solid frigate]

Me:I am scared fr

[cyan smelt]

I still have no idea what to run

[lofty tartan]

Been messing with this and a few other teams @tough idol https://pokepast.es/a20c13b31bd25494

Some Shadow Rider, some Groudon, some Terapagos 🤷

[cyan smelt]

Both calyrex forms and miraidon are busted

[lofty tartan]

0- Atk 0 IVs Murkrow Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-208 (98.2 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a914fbfb985e543f
https://pokepast.es/c41af1045d1d5124

The two teams i will use

[lofty tartan]

[solid frigate]

What. the fuck

[lofty tartan]

Shadow Rider is 4x weak to Dark

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't caly usually tera to fairy

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, you force the tera and punish.

[solid frigate]

ik but Isn't Foul Play deal Physical Attack

[lofty tartan]

Foul Play uses the targets physical attack stat - even with 0 attack IV it's that calc.

[solid frigate]

oh wait Calyrex's Physical attack-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

oh nvm

[tough idol]

That looks scary (that's with my 0 knowledge of Kyurem)

[craggy dagger]

guys guys-
wp shadow rider next to foul play darkshifu

[lofty tartan]

Specs Chi-Yu has a chance to KO Caly-S with Snarl. Just punish the Fairy/Fighting/Ghost tera.

[solid frigate]

make sense

[lofty tartan]

0- Atk 0 IVs Urshifu Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-208 (98.2 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Probably not a good idea

[craggy dagger]

LMAO ok nvm

[solid frigate]

Pathetic for Urshifu but Impressive on Murkrow

[lofty tartan]

The point is even with 0 Attack IV, Foul Play basically gets it.

0- Atk 0 IVs Umbreon Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-208 (98.2 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[craggy dagger]

yeah that 4x weakness isn’t a joke

[lofty tartan]

🤷

[cyan smelt]

Isn't it next to indeedee so indeedee just redirects attacks

[molten oasis]

Every single time I’m close to a win

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095494958 this shit happens

[solid frigate]

so basically Both of My Teams i will use has Tornadus,Some form of Ogerpon,Incineroar and Raging Bolt

[cyan smelt]

So snarl seems better

[craggy dagger]

it would all be the same cause it scales off the attack of the target

[molten oasis]

Thanks zacian

[lofty tartan]

You can deal with Follow Me - that's not new.

And it's not always on the field next to Indeedee because things happen in games. Nothing new.

[molten oasis]

You miss play rough every time I’m close to a win

[solid frigate]

snarl just makes everything Easy

[solid frigate]

90% accuracy just-

imma test the Kyogre team

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-White Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 192-227 (109.7 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-White Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 121-144 (69.1 - 82.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-White: 91-108 (45.5 - 54%) -- 39.5% chance to 2HKO

[solid frigate]

well shit

[cyan smelt]

Oh wait I forgot turboblaze ignores redirection doesn't it

[lofty tartan]

I don't think so.

Turboblaze is like Mold Breaker.

[cyan smelt]

Oh it just ignores stuff like disguise and lightning rod

[molten oasis]

Yea and I’m quitting until I feel like I can play the game

[solid frigate]

welp i forgot Tera Water Groudon

[molten oasis]

Everything I build feels weak to the entire format

So I’m done, I’m over it. Everything is HO and it sucks

[lofty tartan]

It's day -27

[molten oasis]

Idc

I can’t do anything

I literally feel unable to pilot anything

I’m being a baby and throwing fits but generally I can’t

[cyan smelt]

Instead of mienshao imma try ho oh behind screens

[molten oasis]

I cannot play this game, I feel like a terrible player.

[lofty tartan]

It's a new format with a lot of high power stuff coming into the meta and nothing has been concretely situated as "this is a good set" so things are all over the place.

[molten oasis]

In reg g especially

[lofty tartan]

The format is far from solved.

[molten oasis]

Yea, and nothing feels like it works

All you need is specs tera ghost caly and yiu just win

Or clear amu caly ice with tr

[lofty tartan]

That's what people said about Urshifu. Some people call him pay to win.

This is the same thing that gets said every format

[molten oasis]

Cuz those are you’re archetypes of choice, bullshit

[cyan smelt]

Chi yu + caly s is pain

[molten oasis]

im clearly very mad I’m sorry, caly makes me want to break a fucking wall

and every sun team feels awful to fight cuz I chose to use the worst “good” restricted

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095499205

Ok this match ain't bad

[solid frigate]

i feel you,i do,it feels liek Pokemon make those Pokemon To be the dominant force.

[molten oasis]

I can’t play this format

[solid frigate]

i am still struggling so i am close to breaking my mind

[molten oasis]

Fucking, ugh. why did I choose zacian

Such a mistake. I ALWAYS pick the worst possible option

[lofty tartan]

You're acting like you can't play anything 3 days into the month before the format actually starts.

[molten oasis]

Everytime

It sure doesn’t feel like I can pilot anything

[lofty tartan]

You're blowing it way way way out of proportion here, man.

[solid frigate]

tbf,You choose Zacian because its your Favourite,I choose Terapagos and Kyogre because they are my fav,someone choose Calyrex because they felt Optimal

[molten oasis]

…you’re right, god

guess zacian is a chien pao ho Mon

[solid frigate]

Like play with your favourite restricted always makes me felt better cuz you do genunine love them

[molten oasis]

Cuz balance zacian loses to caly ice caly s groudon and koraidon

[lofty tartan]

Like you're not locked in to playing Zacian forever until August. I know it's your favorite, but that's not always feasible.

[solid frigate]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Yea im stuck with the stupid fucking horses

[lofty tartan]

And I truly do not think Zacian is mid.

[solid frigate]

heck i don't have calyrex and i am not comfortable with Miraidon so i used Terapagos

[lofty tartan]

No, you're not. Dude, Murkrow can threaten Caly-S.

It teras, it disrupts, or it switches.

[molten oasis]

I don’t have, ugh

https://pokepast.es/7076ec015a46d298

[lofty tartan]

You know how fast it is. You know the math. You know how to force teras.

[solid frigate]

Zacian is at least High tier, its just not that strong

[molten oasis]

Here’s the team I ran for a hour

“Great” team

[solid frigate]

i am genuinely suprised you don't have Snarl-

[lofty tartan]

I'm trying to help the guy out here not spitball about just what tier Zacian 3 days in to the pre-format xD

[molten oasis]

Caly ice was getting on my nerves then they all became Tera fire so I’m pivoting back to snarl

[solid frigate]

Incineroar Raging Bolt Duo?

[molten oasis]

Intimidate also feels, for zacian, unmanageable

It doesn’t get clear amulet

Every single other physical attacker does

ig except ogerpon

[lofty tartan]

It gets a free +1 that basically buffers the intimidate, like Ogerpon. Howl is a good mitigating factor, but you've been having trouble with Fire.

[molten oasis]

Cuz I don’t understand it

And it feels so unbelievably awful into groudon

[solid frigate]

what i would think is that Bolt Incin duo to wear off the offenses,i did that duo in both of my set

[molten oasis]

I have no way to stop groudon from setting up and sweeping

[lofty tartan]

As someone who has played a lot of Gouging Fire, I don't think it's super wonderful into Groudon.

[molten oasis]

Idk WHAT im supposed to run to stop it from ruining my life

[lofty tartan]

It threatens immediately, threatens your partner, it's not slow

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon Wellspring looks like a Clear answer but you ave to use Horn leech

[molten oasis]

they all Tera fire

Id say urshifu but urshifu doesn’t exactly answer it because of the sun

[lofty tartan]

Like if you're doing Zacian/Fire Howl shenanigans, Groudon is not something you want to lead that into. It's just a high risk factor for substandard payout.

Precipice Blades wonky 🤷

[molten oasis]

Idk WHAT to build with to handle it tho

[lofty tartan]

Hmm

[molten oasis]

Like, k I will try sub Zac+howl again

I don’t think it’s bad

[lofty tartan]

I think that in your current emotional state you're going to struggle more than if you take a walk and let off some steam.

[molten oasis]

And I can pilot it

[lofty tartan]

Walks are good. Peaceful.

[molten oasis]

I’m not gonna play anymore for the day

[solid frigate]

or just play a calm minded game like some adventure RPG that is not Pokemon lol

[lofty tartan]

I sometimes take a really hot shower and blast out some scenarios in my head.

[molten oasis]

I have shit to do either way

[lofty tartan]

No, I think you should take a break.

So that's a good idea xD

[solid frigate]

yea

[molten oasis]

…k

[solid frigate]

i actually took a break and speedran XC2 for 5 hours-

[lofty tartan]

I mean like exactly how you planned - don't play any more tonight. Thinking about it is fine, just try to get your mind off it for a bit. Distractions help us.

[solid frigate]

agree

[lofty tartan]

Exercise is a good way to get the blood flowing positively.

Like if I lose a few sets I just do like a few sets of 10

[solid frigate]

and always stay hydrated

[lofty tartan]

Pushups - they're cheap and easy.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hydrelated-hydrated-water-lannavo-tinnitus-gif-22888217

[lofty tartan]

Exercise helps the brain as much as it does the body.

[molten oasis]

I, I’ll go take a break however ik I’m gonna come back still completely confused on how to do anything into sun

With Zac

Cuz I just, idk how I supposed to build anything that actually helps me into it

[lofty tartan]

With Zac as the determining factor, that's gonna get dicey, but you may be able to slot some realistic checks onto your team somewhere.

[molten oasis]

I am considering lando, t

[lofty tartan]

Lando is cool.

Groudon doesn't like Knock Off either. Opening up that Clam is pretty good.

[molten oasis]

Incin really wants knock off snarl and wisp sometimes

[lofty tartan]

I mean... In a perfect world we coudl have parting/fo/knock/snarl/wisp

[molten oasis]

Yea

[lofty tartan]

This is not a perfect world

Bolt seems good next to Groudon, bad into him. So no snarl there.

Groudon pressures Archa pretty bad. Seems rough.

Incin has some severe bulk - can probably squeeze off a Knock, but then you're open to the 2HKO. Some of my hardest matches were against people hard switching an injured Incin like a baller 🤷

[solid frigate]

i feel like Wisp,Knock,FO and Snarl if you want Pure support Incin

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t eat precipice

[lofty tartan]

Now you gonna make me calc 😐

[tough idol]

What item should I give Caly S if Lorb is taken

[lofty tartan]

168+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Incineroar: 168-198 (83.1 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Incineroar: 176-210 (87.1 - 103.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

I mean it doesn't look good.

[craggy dagger]

specs scarf are a few options-
can run expert belt, spell tag, twisted spoon if you want an oomph to moves

[molten oasis]

Oh it does

[lofty tartan]

What're you running for bulk on Incin

[molten oasis]

2525 156+

[tough idol]

Ty I forgot spoon

[gentle crag]

ictlegion has given 1 Gen Rep to stargazer_novie

[molten oasis]

I live groudon apparently

[solid frigate]

I swear i can hear mewtwo saying SPOONFUL

[lofty tartan]

My issue with spoon is it doesn't boost Astral Barrage

[dapper crag]

Ting-Lu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Fissure, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Lash Out, Payback, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Dark Pulse, Earth Power, Hex, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Ruination, Snarl, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Endure, Mean Look, Memento, Protect, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spite, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ting-Lu.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

no but that actually is real

[craggy dagger]

in the manga-
mewtwo just wields a massive spoon

[molten oasis]

If only it got knock off

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[lofty tartan]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Incineroar: 174-206 (86.1 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

yeah thats what i thought about

[craggy dagger]

big spoon

[molten oasis]

I’m bold but ok

[lofty tartan]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 156-186 (77.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So it eats

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a73d6e2a698ebdbd just starting with these 2 ig

[solid frigate]

i made my incin kinda offensive for a support-

[molten oasis]

Since we aren’t running gouging fire

cuz I don’t understand it

[lofty tartan]

People think it justs sits and Howls but it's more nuanced than that. That's just one thing it does.

[molten oasis]

Ik that, hmm

[craggy dagger]

if not you can run spell tag

[molten oasis]

for future note could run snarl over breaking swipe

[solid frigate]

also is it a good thing if i keep Bolt Incin duo

[lofty tartan]

Often times I'm pushing Breaking Swipe or fishing for burns off Bulwark. Fire being around helps deter Fake Out pressure - especially next to Ogerpon and Spiky Shield.

[molten oasis]

k

[lofty tartan]

Like do you Fake Out the Bulwark or the chip guy?

[molten oasis]

Chip guy?

[solid frigate]

Physicall attacker Restricted only has 4, 5 if you count Solgaleo is common
Calyrex Ice,Groudon,Zacian, Koraidon

Special Attackers-

[molten oasis]

Ok but they all run clear amulet

[lofty tartan]

Well yeah, and get chipped 🤷

Or just not Fake Out. Which is obvious.

[solid frigate]

Well a lot

[molten oasis]

K so, let’s say we go gouging fire route

I never tried it with sub

[solid frigate]

you can try sub for longevity

[lofty tartan]

If you're playing Sub, I'd just aggressively try to find a situation to push Substitute.

[molten oasis]

Could also go back to swords dance

[solid frigate]

Wait,Zacian with Grimmsnarl?

[molten oasis]

Dance is prob better on a howl team

[lofty tartan]

Zacian isn't slow but if against Groudon I feel like you're going to Sub and lose it and just keep repeating.

I've had Landos do that in front of Waterpon. They sub, I cudgel, they lose sub, they sub, I cudgel

[molten oasis]

I also feel like zacian just gets stuck infront of fire and steel type/Tera a lot

[lofty tartan]

That's fair.

[molten oasis]

And consistently I can’t remove them

[solid frigate]

why i immdieately think about Grimmsnarl-

[lofty tartan]

So you need an answer to that.

Lando 🤷

[molten oasis]

I tried lando i to, middling levels of success

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 861: Grimmsnarl

Types

Dark/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Frisk, Pickpocket (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/120/65/95/75/60

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Honestly it just

It explodes so easily

[lofty tartan]

He's someone that can bait the ground moves and switch pretty safe, often.

[dapper crag]

Grimmsnarl's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, False Surrender, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Lash Out, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Shadow Claw, Spirit Break, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Confide, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Trick

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Grimmsnarl.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[lofty tartan]

Zacian invites a Blade - so does Fire. Lando is a good pivot there.

[molten oasis]

I feel like lando I struggles with speed control

Like, a ton

And it hard to get any speed control on howl teams

[lofty tartan]

Well he doesn't have any tools to control speed or disrupt it, so he just has to deal with TW and TR happening. His partners are what solve that equation for him.

And yes, that's true. Hard to get speed control on teams like that - spaces are valuable.

[solid frigate]

anyways nighty night everyone and stay Gloogy

[molten oasis]

Night

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-good-night-gif-5313006238324153079

[molten oasis]

Still eyeing Therian but, idk if it’s worth testing

[lofty tartan]

Double intimidate teams aren't likee... bad. But they're not gonna sort out the Caly problem a lot either.

252 Atk Landorus-Therian Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 42-50 (24 - 28.5%) -- 98% chance to 4HKO

You can fish for flinches and do some good chip but it's not a lot of good action there. But Groudon also doesn't do much to it. 31% high roll with Rock Slide against no bulk Lando-T

[molten oasis]

Oh

I wasn’t saying with incin

[lofty tartan]

Oh instead

[molten oasis]

I thought we were talking with gouging fire

[lofty tartan]

Incin and Fire are fine together. I knew you were talking with Fire.

[molten oasis]

We’re gonna start with 3 weaknesses ti ground?

When groudon was the whole reason why I lost my shit

[polar canyon]

:((((

[lofty tartan]

I'vee seen Incin teams with Fire on them - you had been talking about Knock Off Incin surviving Precipice Blades xD

[polar canyon]

47 on +2 spdef is crazy too

[lofty tartan]

And gave me a pokepaste labeled "zacian howl" with zacian and incin xD

[molten oasis]

That wasn’t my intention

[polar canyon]

Was it zacian and gouging

[molten oasis]

I don’t love starting with 3 ground weaknesses at all but whatever

[lofty tartan]

I was just confused because you gave me the paste and said you were starting there, and Howl was coming from Gouging so I assumed he was on the team in addition to the two on the paste xD

It's my bad. lol

[molten oasis]

No, let’s just

Start with zacian and fire

All the things about incin are in my mind

For the shell balance stuff

[lofty tartan]

Okay Zacian/Fire.

Run Walking Wake. Hydro Steam him

[molten oasis]

that was a consideration

[polar canyon]

You got someone hard to work with

[molten oasis]

Wake, wake without sun is kinda weird

[lofty tartan]

No I know. It was more spitballing lol.

[polar canyon]

Aren't you the person who said arceus wouldn't be that good if it was allowed?

[tough idol]

https://pokepast.es/ea55e66cf2649410

PS Showdown on Mobile is a pain

[molten oasis]

Fair

[polar canyon]

It's not that bad

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh managed to take down an archaludon, I'm pretty pleased about that

[lofty tartan]

I made a mistake and don't often think about Mythicals and how they apply to VGC. Implying I'm bad at VGC over that is pretty uncalled for

[molten oasis]

Uhhhh

[cyan smelt]

Screens ho oh seems decent so far

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go look at options

Noted rn, the koraidon and miraidon are all running Tera fire

[cyan smelt]

I thought Mirai was tera fairy

[molten oasis]

Which effectively walls fire/zacian

I meant groudon sorry

[cyan smelt]

Oh

And they're clear amulet

[molten oasis]

Yea

[cyan smelt]

You might need to run wake then

Booster speed

[molten oasis]

If I run wake id like it to be good beyond just being a sun counter

Ok so we’re really considering wake

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1009: Walking Wake

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/83/91/125/83/109

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Walking Wake's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Facade, Fire Fang, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Outrage, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Chilling Water, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hydro Steam, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Scald, Snarl, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Hone Claws, Leer, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Walking Wake.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

hmm

[tough idol]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095522361

My first game and win (by dc or did they quit)

[polar canyon]

I think this is my favorite turn

I like kyurem it's so stupid

Just click blizzard

[cyan smelt]

Does garganacl's ability mean it can't get burned?

Yes it can, man iron def mons are a problem for my team

[lofty tartan]

Play Dondozo

[daring jungle]

what does hyper training do and where do i go to do it?

[cyan smelt]

Dondozo behind screens is a terrifying thought

[lofty tartan]

Hyper Training trains an IV score to max (31). It's done with bottle caps and gold bottle caps

It's in Montenevera, by the poke center

The dude by the Abomasnow

[daring jungle]

thank you

[cyan smelt]

Pokemon only need to be level 50 for hyper training

[lofty tartan]

I've played some variant of 222 recently with Tofu - it's been cooking

Dozo/Psyspam/Snow

[cyan smelt]

Interesting

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/a859a0cdc2a71b9a

[cyan smelt]

Ig kyurem is neutral to chi yu

[lofty tartan]

I'm sort of testing a version of that team with Kyurem over Articuno but it's probably better with Caly-S instead, over Crown.

[cyan smelt]

Caly s is so busted

[daring jungle]

well ive bred a 3iv shiny hisuian voltorb. is it worth it to hyper train the other 3 stats that arent already best?

this is for a challenge between me and a friend

[lofty tartan]

Yes, but Electrode is pretty mid in VGC, so really it's whatever you want.

[daring jungle]

my friend and i span a wheel of all shiny huntable pokemon in sv and this was the first one i got

the others i got were toxapex, corviknight, Annihalape, kleavor and swanna

[tough idol]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095534364-rwjf65biua4knvkco055mtq4giuhwr4pw

I think there was a lot I co8pd improve

[daring jungle]

does switch training still provide ivs?

[lofty tartan]

Any sort of training done in combat affects EVs, not IVs

Different numbers.

[tough idol]

Yh IVs are the set values you get when caught etc, that you can Hypertrain.

[atomic mural]

clefairy terapagos seems nice

[daring jungle]

i got them swapped by accident. thanks

is it better to use vitamins and feathers or battle for increased evs?

[bitter heart]

Battle if you’re cheap, vitamins and feathers if you have lots of money

[molten oasis]

I ran that for a while

It’s fun

[daring jungle]

where can i buy vitamins?

[drowsy spear]

Vitamins are 10 points.. feathers are 1point.. however you can buy the training braces which are 9points and then battle specific Pokémon to get a +1 or +2 added after each battle..

I normally go to Cascarrafa

Then look for a Chaney supply store

[daring jungle]

thank you

[drowsy spear]

And if you need money just go farm it from raids or use the printing machine..

[daring jungle]

i have a lot of treasure to sell from the dlc so i should be good with money. just grinding my black ball up first whilst keeping track of its evs

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2856d846c150a96e thoughts?

[drowsy spear]

Do you use the iv calculator?

[daring jungle]

what iv calculator?

[drowsy spear]

https://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcsv.shtml

[daring jungle]

this is my first time fully doing my own compettitive mon

[drowsy spear]

I use this to calculate all my Pokémon ivs and stats

Ahhh I see.. I’ve been doing this since sword and shield.. its a much easier process now that everything is given..

[daring jungle]

i see

im grinding on blisseys in north province area 1 for levels but they xlso give 3hp evs which im maxing out so its fine for the moment

[torn parrot]

You guys

I’m really loving reg G

[drowsy spear]

I haven’t start yet, is it the same rule set or is it the one with one legendary?

[daring jungle]

how does this calculator work. im struggling with the input of what rank (best, pretty good) my stats are

[tough idol]

Same with 1 restricted

[daring jungle]

thank you

[drowsy spear]

I need permission to post a screenshot?

[cyan smelt]

Level 6

[tough idol]

You need another level in server. Keep chatting amd you'll get there

[drowsy spear]

My gosh 😩

[cyan smelt]

So my team struggles against tr and I'm not sure what to do about it

[drowsy spear]

The input are on the right side at the top

[daring jungle]

so how do i calculate my decent and pretty good stats

found out how

[drowsy spear]

You can train them to level 50 then give then use a bottle cap for hyper training to max out the iv

[daring jungle]

whats the difference between silver and gold bottle caps

as i only have 5 silver and 1 gold

[tough idol]

Silver does 1 stat, gold does all 6

[daring jungle]

ok. thats good to know

thanks for the help. btw, is it worth it to get my Voltorb to lv 100 if its for competitive?

[tough idol]

You should check serebii.net for its move list and see if it requires above lvl50 for any of them

[daring jungle]

nope. already got it to lv 60. its last lv up move was at 50

[drowsy spear]

Then nahhh no need for 100 since ranked battles will always set you at lvl 50

[daring jungle]

fair enough

thoughts on this for my black ball:

[drowsy spear]

This might be extra but I actually created an excel sheet for all my competitive Pokémon..

[daring jungle]

wow. thats cool

[drowsy spear]

Ahh so it’s playing the utility role.

[daring jungle]

this is the rest of the team:
https://pokepast.es/29026b7c036f0d05

im doing a challenge with a friend and this was the team i had to use

[daring jungle]

thats what i intended

[unkempt flax]

I am not feeling ogerpon this regulation

[drowsy spear]

I see.. I think this is the fun part about playing competitive after assembling a team together.. now you go through the grind to test it out and make adjustments you see that fits.

[daring jungle]

what are your thoughts

i think itll work but not sure if ive gone too defensive

[tough idol]

Singles or Doubles

[daring jungle]

doubles

[tough idol]

Hazards not really a thing normally so Boots not necessary on Electrode

[daring jungle]

thats what i thought but not sure what to replace with

[tough idol]

Should give Anhilape Ragefist

[rustic mountain]

jus give it sash

[daring jungle]

fair enough

[rustic mountain]

its frail as shit and sash gives u a bit more staying power to provide utility

[daring jungle]

what should i replace

[drowsy spear]

Focus sash

[daring jungle]

done

[tough idol]

Earthquake and Cross Chop for Ragefist and Close Combat (I think its CC usually) or Drain Punch

[daring jungle]

ill do that then

[drowsy spear]

Also you can’t use non attacking moves with assault vest

[tough idol]

May aswell change Swanna ability to Keen Eye, as you have no rain Setter to trigger Hydration

[daring jungle]

forgot about that

[daring jungle]

my friend definitely will. we did a random wheel spin and he got both barraskewda and another water type to set rain

[drowsy spear]

Okay that makes sense.

[daring jungle]

so what should i change it too

is there an item that extends the screens?

[drowsy spear]

Light clay

[daring jungle]

thatll do

[drowsy spear]

I think that’s what it called

[daring jungle]

yup

https://pokepast.es/0f4cfa36f7b9c8c8

this is how its looking

[tough idol]

Tera Water on Kleavor could work for you too against Rain, plus you're Rocky Helmet

[daring jungle]

true

[tough idol]

I'd be tempted by Brave Bird over Drill Peck too

[drowsy spear]

Yeah kleavor is a good hazard setter and a potential sweeper with that sword dance + sharpness..

[daring jungle]

thats what i thought

[tough idol]

A lot harder working with a challenge team over a Ranked one

Also at 330 AM lol

[next stump]

@tough idol are you spectating EUIC?

[daring jungle]

my friend has a lot more offensive capability than i do so trying not to use recoil

[daring jungle]

sleep

i appreciate the help but you should seriously sleep

[tough idol]

From home I'm afraid, couldn't get ticket

[tough idol]

Start work in 2 hours lol 😆 early shift

[daring jungle]

i get that feeling

i woke up at 4:30am this morning (Australian + day off) cause i usually start 5:30am at work

is soundproof better or static?

i think static

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/394b9debfa2afa1a does this work

[drowsy spear]

Ahhh so that explains for your defensive approach..

[daring jungle]

yup

trying to not die in 1 or 2 hits

[tough idol]

What 6 mons did you're fr9end get

[drowsy spear]

Wait.. how are y’all creating those team sheets?

[daring jungle]

he landed a fricking archaludon for starters

alongside barraskewda

[drowsy spear]

😂😂

[tough idol]

You could benefit from having Sunny Day on something

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/b8b637701e827593 wrong items and moves

(just of griaffe)

[drowsy spear]

That horse is going to be so annoying 😩😩

[cyan smelt]

I'm seriously considering barraskewda with propeller tail for shadow horse lol

[daring jungle]

i cant remember most of them. just electrode, archaludon and barraskewda

[drowsy spear]

It would ignore redirection moves right?

[daring jungle]

also quaxly but doesnt want to egg hunt so i can rule it out

[tough idol]

They probably running Stamina on the Archa

[daring jungle]

that increases defense if hit with a physical move right?

[tough idol]

Hit with anything I think

Yh any attack

[daring jungle]

then definitely

[drowsy spear]

Yeah it’s with any attack.. and more than likely they would have body press

[tough idol]

Not gonna lie. You'll have to play your ass off and be lucky to win imo. You kinda got rolled with your mons plus what they got

[daring jungle]

yup

its not gonna be pretty

thats why i went defensive

[drowsy spear]

Just approach it like a game of chess and try your best to be 3 steps ahead of your opponent..

[daring jungle]

i will try to be

just remind me, 1 hp up gives +10 evs right

[drowsy spear]

Yup

[daring jungle]

my first of the 6 is ready to rumble

[drowsy spear]

Good job!

[daring jungle]

who should i do next out of:
Toxapex
Corviknight
Annihilape
Kleavor
Swanna

[drowsy spear]

Are you shiny hunting?

[daring jungle]

yup. we span a wheel with all 315 different shiny huntable pokemon lines in sv to shiny hunt then do a competitive battle with

[drowsy spear]

Lol hopefully you catch them with some fun titles.. but heck just go down the list

[daring jungle]

im breeding for them to lower the bottle cap usage (as i dont have many)

fair enough. toxapex, here i come

i actually got my black ball in about 160 eggs i think

[drowsy spear]

Lol I remember those days 😅😅

Now it’s time for me to go to sleep though.. but have fun building your team..

[daring jungle]

when my mareanie has better ivs then my toxapex

[daring jungle]

thanks for your help

[gentle crag]

mugi4162 has given 1 Gen Rep to _davinci_17

[daring jungle]

enjoy snoozing

[quaint willow]

Is fake out and wide guard of the same priority?

[tough idol]

@quaint willow

[quaint willow]

So whether fake out goes first or not depends on whether the fake out user is faster than the wide guard user?

[chrome knot]

fake out —> wide guard

[mighty stump]

This needs major corrections

[dull ibex]

Anyone around for a stream or vc?

[daring jungle]

how so?

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

• Electrode is missing an Electric STAB
• Toxapex has 0 pressure (no Scald/Toxic) or even spikes. It also has no HP investment whatsoever, which is just inefficient. Its HP is it’s lowest stat so it should have been prioritised.
• Corviknight should not be your Screens Setter. Two viable sets are Iron Defense + Body Press or Bulk Up/Brave Bird. This is neither.
• Annihilape never runs Choice Band. Either it’s Choice Scarf Final Gambit or Bulk Up setup with Goggles/Leftovers/Sitrus. Also requires the corresponding EVs
• Kleavor wants Tera Water since Rocky Helmet was purely for Urshifu RS. Protect or Quick Guard over Night Slash if you’re trying to set up.
• Adding to the point, you don’t have any way to assist in setting up Swords Dance safely.
• I don’t even know if Swanna is even useable. Here at the very least is missing STABs, and any sort of offensive pressure.

The team overall also as mentioned in the title, “random” which means the poor structure makes it unviable since teams have to have a true gameplan in mind in accordance to the metagame

If you’re new to comp I’d highly recommend just using a rental to start

[daring jungle]

ok, ill try and fix it up

[mighty stump]

Understand how teams are meant to be structured and played

This will give you a foothold on how the metagame is like

So there is a clearer perspective on what options are available

[daring jungle]

its just a battle between me and a friend, no way am i taking a team like this to vgc

but thanks for the insight

[mighty stump]

I don’t know how experienced your friend is but at the very least I would make some alteration offensively since 4/6 of your team are sitting ducks offensively

[daring jungle]

ill do that. thank you

[mighty stump]

Other places you can check for sets are Pikalytics

Or since it’s just between friends you can just make use of Smogon sets as well

[daring jungle]

what are the differences between smogon and pikalytics?

and i did change kleavor to tera water

[mighty stump]

Smogon sets VGC wise are not up to date/accurate to use. They’re useable but not very good

Pikalytics is real time statistics

So it shows you what people are actually using

But Smogon has their own formats

[daring jungle]

thank you. if i had known about it beforehand, i would've used it 😅

[mighty stump]

Such as OU, Ubers etc

And have respective sets for the generations

[daring jungle]

cause thats what showdown uses right?

[mighty stump]

Showdown does use that, but the VGC format still prefers Pikaytics

[daring jungle]

so with toxapex, how should i invest its evs, hp and what else?

[mighty stump]

HP and then defensively either Def or SpDef

[daring jungle]

ok. ill do that

[mighty stump]

For specifics you’re gonna have to calc

I suppose it’s fine to split

just remember EVs are 4+8x

if playing at level 50

[daring jungle]

yep. will do

[daring jungle]

@mighty stump, Hows this look now:
https://pokepast.es/b71056a7d2b18a5c

[knotty mirage]

Is it worth to invest some bulk on caly shadow or is it just better to go for max speed and special attack ?

[livid roost]

Are there any glaring issues with this team? https://pokepast.es/241c990ecd443d5c

[grizzled bronze]

caly shadow feels so unfair to play 😭

[solid frigate]

its just unfair

[grizzled bronze]

i know right

[solid frigate]

or just Caly as a whole.

[grizzled bronze]

one boost and it feels like it's over for them

[solid frigate]

there are counterplays

just hard

[grizzled bronze]

yeah i know that

wide guard mons stocks rising up rn

[livid roost]

fr

so far it's been a surprise to everyone I've played against

[grizzled bronze]

expecting a lot of zacian but im not seeing them a lot rn, probably bc of dynamax not existing anymore

[cyan smelt]

caly-i is just as broken

[grizzled bronze]

yup

[cyan smelt]

i'm tempted to just run with weezing gigas lol

[mighty stump]

• Recover over Rest on Pex
  Rest is just not good
• Protect over Thunder Punch. Coverage is incredibly overrated to blow a Tera on. Steel is a better defensive Tera as well.

[mighty stump]

Life Orb over Silk Scarf

Sludge Bomb over Leaf Storm

Protect + Swords Dance over Close Combat and Heavy Slam on Caly-I

[mighty stump]

Swanna wants a non-physical water STAB

It still needs a Flying STAB

[daring jungle]

ok, i can fix those up. but overall better right

[tough idol]

And back to annual leave until the 13th

[cyan smelt]

Nice

[autumn vault]

I cant believe i am saying this but Mienshao is pretty good rn

[cyan smelt]

Until it gets taunted by torn

[autumn vault]

Wide Guard + FO is busted, especially in this format

[dawn crown]

Hit mom top is better

[autumn vault]

It depends, but i am a 5th gen stan so i will always go mienshao

Plus iirc Hitmontop doesn't get wide guard

[cyan smelt]

It does

[autumn vault]

Yeah i just saw that

Mienshao gets inner focus so it doesnt have to worry about flinches and intimidates

[cyan smelt]

True

[autumn vault]

And regenerator for healing

And it has a much higher attack stat

[sharp cobalt]

And reasonably speed alongside rock slide

[autumn vault]

Mienshao is better

[grizzled bronze]

i love feint

breaks wide guard

[autumn vault]

Hitmontop only has intimidate

Mienshao has more tools than hitmontop

[cyan smelt]

Hitmontop gets feint too

[autumn vault]

Plus incineroar is better for intimidate + fake out + redirection, only reason to go it over incin is wide guard and feint

[grizzled bronze]

still think mienshao is better imo

[autumn vault]

Me too

It depends, if you already have intimidate mienshao, if you need a 6th membr and you dont have intimidate (and worried about calyrex's) hitmontop, and even then mienshao can still be that 6th member

[timber falcon]

im seeing a lot of new fake out and wide guard users now

is it still in experiment phase?

[autumn vault]

It is for countering astral barrage, glacial lance, water spout/origin pulse, precipice blades, tera starstorm, etc.

I think it will stay until the meta chills on multi-hit moves

[timber falcon]

yeah i guess that makes sense. Cause my glastrier team seems to be easily countered now

[polar canyon]

I was a mienshao defender from the start

Now people are saying mienshao is good

I never gave up hope

[timber falcon]

meinshao is good cause of wide guard, feint and fake out right?

Lunala @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 68 SpA / 20 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Psychic
• Trick Room
• Wide Guard also hows this lunala set?

[craggy dagger]

mhm

also inner focus

[timber falcon]

oh yeah and that

[chrome knot]

meteor beam

[autumn vault]

Unless it is a bulky Lunala set, i would go Meteor beam power herb

[timber falcon]

its a set to abuse its bulk

but i dont know how to utilise it

[tough idol]

Dont think Mien Shao gets Feint. May be wrong though

[mighty stump]

Even if it's a bulky Lunala set, Meteor Beam

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Mienshao

Feint:

• As Mienfoo as an egg move

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

how come?

[mighty stump]

Do u wanna be walled by Incin

[tough idol]

Just found it lol @chrome knot 😆

[timber falcon]

you know this has been a reacurring problem for me

[chrome knot]

shocking

[timber falcon]

i guess ill add meteor beam

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump can i pm you a pon spread its kinda bad but i need to hit a margin

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

Weight (Low Kick BP)

35.5kg (60 BP)

Height

1.4m

Introduced

Generation 5

Pre-evolution

Mienfoo

Egg groups

Field, Human-Like

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Purple

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Just lmk what thresholds you wanna hit

[autumn vault]

I think mienshao does get faint

[dull ibex]

caly s is oppressive lmao

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

what is the command to see a pokemon's movepool?

[timber falcon]

anyone know how to deal with overheat?

specs overheat has been ruining me

[dapper crag]

Mienshao's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Blaze Kick, Bounce, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Close Combat, Dig, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Fling, Focus Punch, Force Palm, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Jump Kick, Knock Off, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Payback, Poison Jab, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Smelling Salts, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, U-turn, Upper Hand, Vital Throw

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Coaching, Confide, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Me First, Meditate, Protect, Psych Up, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Mienshao.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

is it just a matter of resistance

[autumn vault]

Mienshao gets coaching, feint, wide guard, screens, taunt, toxic (somehow), CC, Aura sphere. Wow it is stacked

it doesn't have toxic

[dapper crag]

Mienshao's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bounce, Brick Break, Close Combat, Dig, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Fling, Focus Punch, Force Palm, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Knock Off, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Poison Jab, Pound, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Stone Edge, Take Down, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, U-turn, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Coaching, Detect, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Protect, Psych Up, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt, Wide Guard

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Mienshao.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

No screens?

[timber falcon]

why would it have screens though

[autumn vault]

it is the martial arts pokemon

it is a mixed attacker

[grizzled bronze]

mixed?

[timber falcon]

quick guard would make sense, but light screen and reflect are more fairy and psychic stuff

[grizzled bronze]

doesn't it only have like 95 spa

[autumn vault]

125 attack and 95 SpA

[timber falcon]

yeah thats mixed right?

[grizzled bronze]

not really

[autumn vault]

Well some people do use special attack when it is inferior to attack

[grizzled bronze]

cc is way more consistent than focus miss and aura sphere

[grizzled bronze]

if they actually have good special attacks then yeah

[timber falcon]

but its still a mixed attack set

[autumn vault]

When running regenerator you are prone to intimidate

inner focus is better 100%

But for regenerator sets, they have to worry about intimidate

Also why would it run focus miss when it gets aura sphere?

[grizzled bronze]

why run special attacking shao tho

what's the point

[autumn vault]

urshifu has a superior defense

I can't think of another reason

[grizzled bronze]

also very frail to make use of regen

[tough idol]

Got my boi Hitmon ready for mess about teams

[autumn vault]

I still prefer Mienshao over Hitmontop not because i am a gen 5 stan because i like the tools it gets, plus it is outclassed by incineroar, also nice marked hitmontop

I can see hitmontop being a compressed incin and mienshao

[tough idol]

@autumn vault not sure if you saw, broke my Master ball record this season

[autumn vault]

I havent seen it

I think that is because people are now playing reg G on PS

So you get a very high placement

[tough idol]

My highest entry was 318

Just not done 4-0 before

Did it with this exact team, but sub Caly S for Iron Honse

https://pokepast.es/ea55e66cf2649410

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095852202 Do not underestimate the power of Koraidon and Venusaur

[mighty stump]

Who's underestimating that???

[timber falcon]

why didnt he FO into koraidon though

unless venasuar has sleep powder

yeah it did have that

https://pokepast.es/777ccc16ebcde4ff btw can anyone help with this team? im not sure about ursh here

[autumn vault]

People sort of undersetimate koraidon, definetely not venusaur thats for sure

[autumn vault]

it does

[timber falcon]

i dont see in any way whos underestimating koraidon though

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095855961 another replay, venusaur coming in clutch again

[autumn vault]

Drago did, until i showed him

[chrome knot]

the opponent did not bring a restricted

[timber falcon]

looked like a restricted denier

[autumn vault]

it is low elo what did you expect

[timber falcon]

I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE

[chrome knot]

no looks like someone who doesnt know what theyre doing

its 1027 elo lmao

[timber falcon]

LYCOPOKY USING FLUTTER????

change of heart for fuckermane???

[mighty stump]

It was one set...

[autumn vault]

No, it was the only pokemon that could fit into my team

[chrome knot]

nobody will ever know why you didnt tera koraidon infront of 2 weaknesses

[timber falcon]

might be but cant blaziken learn wide guard? not sure but the opponent mightve wanted to use it as a multi target stopper or smth

[autumn vault]

Trust me i tested gouging fire and some other sun abusers, they didn't fit in that well

Flutter did

[timber falcon]

reverse psychology

[last yarrow]

I just realized miraidon can learn rest and just...why?

[chrome knot]

stupidity

they threaten 0 kos if you just tera & you die if you dont

[autumn vault]

I still won

[timber falcon]

hey but if it works it makes you look cooler

[chrome knot]

id HOPE so

[autumn vault]

I do not know how i didn't realize

I still won so it didn't matter

[timber falcon]

god ur team looks like a real pain to deal with

id cry

[autumn vault]

I only lost once to another sun team and Calyrex shadow

[timber falcon]

wanna battle/

[autumn vault]

Sure

[timber falcon]

Totorules

lol i forgot to defence ev farig

gg

[autumn vault]

Gg

[timber falcon]

1st game u messed up big time

[autumn vault]

That MU is so stupid

[timber falcon]

sleep poweder shouldve been on farig

[autumn vault]

I am surprised Amoonguss survived that heat wave

[timber falcon]

same lol i shouldve terad to make sure

idk why i didnt actually

[autumn vault]

Rematch?

[timber falcon]

btw most of ur team IS weak to lance

also rematch later i wanna use lunala team next time

[autumn vault]

Ok

[timber falcon]

but its not done yet

[autumn vault]

I have to refine on how to take it on better

[timber falcon]

yeah cause what happens is one tr then its game over

[autumn vault]

I remember one game when an incineroar FO'd my Venusaur and i tera fire flare blitz their farig before they set up tr

And killed it

[timber falcon]

yeah thats why i knew what to do-

[brazen bough]

wait until i finish my team

[timber falcon]

cause my farig had 0 investments into any of its defences

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf in Sun: 190-225 (83.7 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

well well what tf is living that

[autumn vault]

it is maxed defenses mind you

mine is also adamant

[timber falcon]

i know i was saying either way it wouldvr KOd farig

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Farigiraf in Sun: 207-244 (91.1 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO If you ran this defense my Koraidon still had a chance to knock out farig

[timber falcon]

i need to watch out for things like that, sun teams have been giving me a run for my money, specifically overheat

[chrome knot]

welcome back tera fire farigiraf

[timber falcon]

u got a damn good point

you know what tysm im doing that rn

[chrome knot]

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 130-154 (82.8 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Flutter's defense can be so stupid

[timber falcon]

U see this is why I run helping hand, for shit like that

Flutter was NOT made to live things like that

[autumn vault]

true

At first i thought it was overkill, then i realized flutter is extremely bulky for no reason

[mighty stump]

Greater % change...

[timber falcon]

Tofu always lurking

I bet legion is there too

[mighty stump]

Yeah I always lurk

Sometimes I just ignore discussion just to see what goes on

Even if it's horribly wrong

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[bold geode]

I'm lurking too

[autumn vault]

I also did this a few times, stay silent in an argument

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you're not important

So it's ok

Rowley

[autumn vault]

Yes, Rowley

[timber falcon]

Greg is a narcissist right?

[autumn vault]

In the books, yes

[bold geode]

Actually abbreviating Chindo is a lot worse

[timber falcon]

Btw Monke are u just gonna stay as Greg now

April fools ended

[mighty stump]

How do you abbreviate an abbreviation

[bold geode]

I'm American, we do dumb shit

[mighty stump]

Ok

Abbreviate Chindo

[bold geode]

Tbh
Haven't got around to changing it

[bold geode]

I'm just saying going "ch-" there made it look worse

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-arceus-chingling-pokemon-day-gif-20549527

[bold geode]

Lmao

[chrome knot]

so tofu

[tough idol]

ALWAYS
LURKING

[chrome knot]

I had a funny idea

[mighty stump]

oh dear

[chrome knot]

a bean

[autumn vault]

I saw an alolan raichu with a miraidon before, too bad it got annihilated by a bolt strike

[mighty stump]

Coffee Bean

[chrome knot]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Burnt Banana

[chrome knot]

pancake bean ! !

[mighty stump]

You know what I think is super good

Pikachu and Kyogre

[autumn vault]

Anime A-Raichu is a cutie

I will stay at pikachu squad however

[tough idol]

Pair with Indeedee and change Psychic for E Force

[chrome knot]

no...?

pair with miraidon and give surge surfer

[mighty stump]

Pair with Rillaboom for double FO

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095880401 I defeated a terapagos team, i love my koraidon team already

[chrome knot]

LOL

[mighty stump]

[autumn vault]

No

Just, no

Surge Surfer doubles speed in E-Terrain

With P-terrain, it will be pretty bad

[tough idol]

That works. But I mean Skill Swap Surge onto opponent. No double speed with Indeedee, possibly remove a good ability and gain it

[bold geode]

Hey
I see Texas just won USPA

[mighty stump]

Nice

[tough idol]

See my reply below, I also did forget about Skill Swap on Teammates lul

[bold geode]

Just wish my dumbass was able to tryout and be there

[chrome knot]

omg never underestimate alolan raichu!!! (they also did not have a restricted)

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095882361-9h6v3og86z5t0xt96ujeufosi2d7pqepw

[autumn vault]

Solid, but i would rather do that while miraidon is still on the field and then switch in indeedee or overwrite the terrain

[mighty stump]

Shoulda joined the NPAA dude

[bold geode]

Wish I was able to do that too

[solid frigate]

lightning rod strat?

[bold geode]

Work is a BITCH

[chrome knot]

no.

[mighty stump]

Did you apply or

Oh

I mean you set up your own times though

It's incredibly flexible

[bold geode]

Wasn't there tryouts?

[mighty stump]

No?

[dapper crag]

hi uhhh anyone know a good set up for max att and max spe krookodile with anger point, a meowscarda dark pulse flower trick skill swap slash with flamingo?

[bold geode]

FUCK

[autumn vault]

Ok

[tough idol]

Also it doesn't work on Mirai

[bold geode]

Tofu, lemme know when next NPAA start

[mighty stump]

Unfortunately you're a lot of months behind

[mighty stump]

It's a pretty non-viable tactic now

[bold geode]

You are talking about that fuckin Wolfe eBay video I betcha

[chrome knot]

(!!)

the plan is flawed !

[autumn vault]

I didn't mean to skill swap it, i meant to skill swap an opponent and then overwrite the terrain to something not electric

[bold geode]

That strat was shit even when it was "viable"

[dapper crag]

.....

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a914fbfb985e543f Kinda did a Kyogre team

[mighty stump]

Yeah, not wrong, it was pretty bad

[tough idol]

Flower Trick 100% crit, might aswell just bring a different mon with that dmg

[autumn vault]

Like idk, Urshifu

[solid frigate]

Dark

[autumn vault]

Good against the opponents who didn't know, shit against opponents who know

[autumn vault]

Or water

[solid frigate]

Water is Super effective like Flower Trick for Meow,Krookdile resist Wcked blow

[autumn vault]

Flower trick is a grass type move

Not a water type move

Still Krookodile is weak to it

[solid frigate]

Krookdile still weak to grass so yeah.

[autumn vault]

Dont use the anger point strats

It will only hurt the team

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095892197-we9nbhule52tdqiv5v506yxabqvl517pw

☆alxindagame: sup bro
☆alxindagame: or idk if you are a girl
☆alxindagame: my bad

lmfao

[solid frigate]

lol

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/4bb60d37301565c9

[autumn vault]

Atleast they have manners, and i wonder why they did that in the first place

[chrome knot]

they saw my name ig

i did not type at all lmao

[autumn vault]

Yes i noticed that

[solid frigate]

idk

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095950617

he can just kill me but no he just spite me and use trick room-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095957716-hp2st5eo45q6lzeul3ymitxt3ccrl5hpw

[dapper crag]

Hi so im using Incineroar cuz I heard it is good especially with flutter mane

[mighty stump]

You heard right

[dapper crag]

should I use it

cuz wolfey explained this thar ain't as good as in 2019

[chrome knot]

lmao

[dapper crag]

I'm gonna give it a muscle band

[solid frigate]

wha-

[atomic mural]

Incineroar isn’t an offensive pokemon

It’s a support that can do damage

[solid frigate]

Nope,Sitrus or Safety Goggles

[mighty stump]

I think you should have a browse of different established teams and Pikalytics for sets, to see how these mons are built and how they work

[dapper crag]

I had idea you'll see

[autumn vault]

Tragic

[autumn vault]

Muscle band = Trash

[dapper crag]

also I'm making slow for trick room

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095964997-qx8b7jxn0q7zl1ij8kr8maxx0c8nqx0pw
Terapagos is so bulky lol

bro survived Collision Course+Bleakwind-

[chrome knot]

its ability

[solid frigate]

now the ability is used

when Rilaboom attacked Terapagos

89% drop to 6%

[dapper crag]

I changed the item 😄

[solid frigate]

what is it this time

[dapper crag]

safety goggles

[solid frigate]

ok thats way better

[dapper crag]

I don't like sleep powder

[molten oasis]

whats happening

[dapper crag]

I found smth evil

Room service on my trick room team

[bold geode]

Oh this can't be good

[dapper crag]

room service lowers speed when trick room is actived

[bold geode]

I know what it dors

But it has like
No use in VGC so unless it's a different format

[dapper crag]

man

[molten oasis]

ah, new guy

[bold geode]

What you even using it on

[molten oasis]

NO WAY

[bold geode]

I saw that
Very scary

[mighty stump]

Very scary

[bold geode]

It spook me good

[molten oasis]

anyway, monke im kinda considring cc on zacian

first off, i forgot it gets cc

[solid frigate]

honestly,the edit does not work in SV-

[bold geode]

It gets CC?

[molten oasis]

yep

[dapper crag]

Zacian's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Close Combat, Crunch, Dig, Facade, False Swipe, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Play Rough, Poison Jab, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Revenge, Reversal, Sacred Sword, Slash, Solar Blade, Tail Slap, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Trailblaze, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Air Slash, Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Round, Snarl, Snore, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Howl, Imprison, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Misty Terrain, Noble Roar, Protect, Quick Guard, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zacian.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[bold geode]

But hold up

[molten oasis]

it is

[bold geode]

Wait nvm

[molten oasis]

the problem of, do we want to drop sub or play rough

[bold geode]

Still got Sub

[molten oasis]

i do think zac wants play rough for like, bolt if we dont have good tools to take it out

[bold geode]

Cuz see
Sub and CC work against each other at least imo

[molten oasis]

yea so it be over sub

i might try it for howl

[solid frigate]

and dragon types are actually abundant in Reg G feels like,Koraidon,Miraidon,Paradox Beasts

[molten oasis]

yea so i do think you want play rough

[solid frigate]

and also Urshifu and other fighting types

[molten oasis]

unless you run flutter

[solid frigate]

which you don''t

[molten oasis]

hehe

[dapper crag]

what moveset should I use for fluttermane but nothing priority

[molten oasis]

oh torrent

[solid frigate]

?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d294fcf5894c9b8e

so we kinda took that wake idea into serious consideration

[solid frigate]

Walking Wake Moment lets go-

Wake is so underrated compare to Bolt but Yeah for a Water Type its decent in both weather

[molten oasis]

also ive found it does work outside of the sun mu so i dont feel like it needs to be dropped

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why Wake and Bolt are more versitile than Fire

[bold geode]

Also team dependent
Haven't gone past Shell yet but that
CM Bolt and if they tera, Behemoth food

Sets real team dependent I'm seeing

[molten oasis]

yea

[bold geode]

Then again that's mons

[solid frigate]

the problem with both my team is that Its either no Weather or Rain

only Bolt and maybe Incineroar benefit from Sun

[molten oasis]

you mean terrain

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/a914fbfb985e543f (Kyogre)
https://pokepast.es/c41af1045d1d5124 (Terapagos)

Incsse you wonder

[bold geode]

Also Drago for Shell
I'm figuring like
Zacian Incin Rillaboom Urshifu for the Caly I shit?

[dapper crag]

anyone know a good flutter mane moveset

[bold geode]

Item?

[molten oasis]

yea

[dapper crag]

a lagging tail (don't judge ik what im doing)

[solid frigate]

Moonblast,Dazzling Gleam,Shadow Ball,Protect for most teams

[bold geode]

Cuz Incin and Tera Fire monkey especially after Fari is gone
Is a nuisance
Plus if Caly tera Fires, there's Urshifu's cue
Just a matter of getting it in

[solid frigate]

Mane is abyssmal TR user

[bold geode]

I'm sorry but no
I'm judging like a mfer lol

[molten oasis]

yea

[bold geode]

And Caly S I'm still tryna figure out the 4th

Like I'm tryna figure if Urshifu or Pao is better

[solid frigate]

specfically Urshifu Dark but Calyrex S is mostly gonna run attacking Moves