It is a tier
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
Caly is the best restricted
Caly ice is the best tr restricted
Kyogre is kinda eh
Groudon is pretty solid
Miraidon isn’t as super turbo broken as I though but still really good
Terapagos is really good
And koraidon is alright
solid frigate
Caly ice is the best tr restricted
just put Calyrex in S+
molten oasis
Fr
solid frigate
Fr
Terapagos Bottom S High A
Zacian High A
Kyogre High B
Groudon in Low A
Miraidon in Mid S
Koraidon in High A
molten oasis
Sure yea
solid frigate
solid frigate
molten oasis
It’s current early thoughts is all
atomic mural
molten oasis
Kyogre could be s idk
atomic mural
ancient crow
Kyogre could be s idk
koraidon just eat water spouts for days
polar canyon
I think it's funny to compare restricted formats to fighting game rosters
You need to pick one of like 15 good ones to have as your main in your team
Sure most metas boil down to some specific archetypes being the good ones
solid frigate
I think it's funny to compare restricted formats to fighting game rosters
its basically is.
polar canyon
But it's easier to compare in restricted formats
molten oasis
Koraidon isn’t that good tbh
It’s good
But like, I think groudon is better
And there’s better dragons to run on the team
polar canyon
Funny that koraidon and miraidon go from dominating Ubers in smogon to being mid in vgc
Wasn't miraidon banned?
molten oasis
Wake bolt fire are all good
Yes Mirai was banned. I think Mirai is really good
It’s still early
polar canyon
Just going off opinions I've seen here
rustic mountain
ok did a little laddering got top 500
went 7-1
zacian balance feels nice, def super early and not high ladder but yea
rustic mountain
hahah yep
the ladder also shifts so fast too
top 500 in like 2 hours will prolly be like mid 1250s
charred saddle
i wanna play 
molten oasis
Zac balance feels good if like
charred saddle
mother of cucks
molten oasis
You play well, zacian isn’t as easy to pilot lol
The attack boost being only 1 time sucks
misty helm
Can you guys see this happening
charred saddle
but now u get a good howl user tho
molten oasis
However swords dance and sub sets are pretty cool
molten oasis
Gouging fire is a decent partner for it
charred saddle
gg ez babieh
rustic mountain
You play well, zacian isn’t as easy to pilot lol
i think u jus have to be more particular about the positioning but yea balance is also like that
charred saddle
i just feel like they cover each other nicely, not the ground aspect but, fairy steel dragon
rustic mountain
u choose balance as like im gna out position and outplay my opponent
charred saddle
and then breaking swipe is also annoying to certain MU like incin going in to flare blitz
molten oasis
You don’t really hit any of zacians problems with fire
Like, ti kill
Zacian kills dragons but that’s kinda it
charred saddle
no, but with a good position + sub howl is so fucking annoying to play against
molten oasis
True yea
solid frigate
Can you guys see this happening
i love this moment
molten oasis
I also think double fo is really good
solid frigate
honestly i prefer Zacian being here
charred saddle
btw talking about killing dragon, i was thinking of a uhhh sub play rough b blade and fucking tera blast 
rustic mountain
we were talking fire/zacian before, it def has some merit. i really like incin/rilla tho so choosing gouging means opting out of incin whose utility i really like having
molten oasis
Eh
charred saddle
i was thinking of the gen 8 thing with sub and sword dance thing
molten oasis
Twra Water blast doesn’t sound bad on paper
I didn’t really like Tera water when testing tho
rustic mountain
im currently using sub, came up twice in 8 games. not sure if id prefer sd or not atm
molten oasis
I’m liking dragon rn
charred saddle
the thing with that is gastro is still very strong against zacian, but now tera is a thing so
misty helm
What do I catch to at least check the darn thing
molten oasis
I tried calm mind bolt and swords dance Zac, they clashed with eachother so I’m going 3 attack booster bolt rn
rustic mountain
gastro benefits from what the meta is, if stuff like ogre and urshifu arent insanely prevelant, its kinda a dead slot a lot of times. and stuff like ogerpon forces it to tera
molten oasis
Yea
rustic mountain
also rilla
misty helm
Reshiram safe
charred saddle
so like, tera fire for WoW, but like still weak to ground
going grass is nice for spores and ground resist, but still weak to fire
water or solo fairy feels nice
molten oasis
Dragon
rustic mountain
I tried calm mind bolt and swords dance Zac, they clashed with eachother so I’m ...
yea i have calm mind bolt on my team its been really nice into certain matchups
charred saddle
dragon is nice too yeah
molten oasis
yea i have calm mind bolt on my team its been really nice into certain matchups
I wasn’t clicking it and it hardly mattered
rustic mountain
but yea having both means u gta choose wat to opt into for a match cuz u ideally wanna ur other slot pivoting to help benefit bolt get set up
or zacian
molten oasis
I just think bolt wants to kill shit on my team lol
charred saddle
hehe lets do a gen 8 shenaningans. go physical kyogre
charred saddle
kyogre use waterfall
misty helm
What Pokémon can deal with zacian to a decent extent
molten oasis
Ogerpon wellspring
rustic mountain
i mean idk ur team but yea jus depends wat ur trynna go for. i like having the set up option for bolt especially w/ leftovers and grassy terrain it can get really annoying to ko in certain spots
molten oasis
And Hearthflame, mostly Hearthflame
rustic mountain
kyogre use waterfall
rustic mountain
What Pokémon can deal with zacian to a decent extent
incin, entei, heartflame as some1 else mentioned
something to either intimidate it or threaten it w/ damage
molten oasis
does crit water cudgel Ko zacian?
No but redirecting behemoth blade is good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
charred saddle
yeah no
rustic mountain
no
charred saddle
92 115 
molten oasis
Also dont run base Zac lol
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
molten oasis
Not worth
rustic mountain
wellspring can yea help redirect but if u play rough i was doin like 80% to it
charred saddle
base zac and crowned have same bulk
molten oasis
I did not have good success with wellspring
charred saddle
cuz sub and i like having it bulkier
yeah i was thinking about this too
rustic mountain
wellspring is great
molten oasis
My zacian eats +2 astral barrage
rustic mountain
jus has to make sense
molten oasis
charred saddle
have a bulk sub + support is fucking annoying
especially with the randomness of tera
molten oasis
I’m going swords dance still
ancient crow
btw astral barrage OHKO flutter mane
rustic mountain
idk wat to tell u man haha maybe we faced different ogerpon spreads then or u have more atk investment
ancient crow
from full health
molten oasis
Actually, it can survive
rustic mountain
yea it depends
molten oasis
Oh I should be leading rilla shifu more lmao
solid frigate
btw astral barrage OHKO flutter mane
thats why Calyrex just BS
molten oasis
I led zacian like every game today
rustic mountain
yea idk why
molten oasis
But I’m also figuring it out rn
rustic mountain
i rarely lead zacian
solid frigate
i lead Tornadus and Terapagos but i stuck in most MU
molten oasis
We have 2 different sets
misty helm
Be honest is there something that can deal with zacian without stall
molten oasis
OGERPON HEARTHFLAME
rustic mountain
still makes it a lot easier for incin cycling if u jus lead it off rip
warped mason
Just built my kyurem. Can't wait to go kyurem 9 tails this format.
rustic mountain
haha nice
molten oasis
I considered it
rustic mountain
i faced a kyruem black b4
charred saddle
uhhh blayne OT quite sus
misty helm
OGERPON HEARTHFLAME
How that’s not faster than it
rustic mountain
it seemed really mid
molten oasis
The kyurem stuff, but I think zacian will be more consistent
molten oasis
How that’s not faster than it
How much damage do you think it does to it
warped mason
uhhh blayne OT quite sus <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
Why
molten oasis
Hearth can ohko it
charred saddle
blaines OT thing yk
molten oasis
Zacian needs a lot of support to do the same
charred saddle
but eh its not shiny anyway
warped mason
it seemed really mid
Yea its not great in vgc without dynamax. Tera ice specs blizzard from kyurem white sounds nuts tho.
molten oasis
Outspeeding and Ohkoing Zac is hard
rustic mountain
Yea its not great in vgc without dynamax. Tera ice specs blizzard from kyurem wh...
it wasnt great in dmax either, kyruem black anyway
charred saddle
drago
warped mason
blaines OT thing yk
I don't know lol. Is that like an inside joke?
charred saddle
quash and cudgle kek
rustic mountain
but yea kyruem white jus sounds like a better articuno
molten oasis
quash and cudgle kek
charred saddle
I don't know lol. Is that like an inside joke?
blaines is a notorious havker and genner who does a lot of it to giveaway
molten oasis
Oh that reminds me, I saw a murkrow today
misty helm
Okay would it be wise to finish my reshiram hunt
rustic mountain
no
molten oasis
What does resh do
dull ibex
Why are you green 🤔
rustic mountain
reshirams not gna b great, especially in single restricted
dull ibex
Why am I green :0
molten oasis
Why are you green 🤔
Why are YOU Green
warped mason
blaines is a notorious havker and genner who does a lot of it to giveaway
I got it level 20 on gts it was go stamped with awful ivs and nature. Surely its legit.
molten oasis
These questions are so real, we’ll never know the answer
molten oasis
I got it level 20 on gts it was go stamped with awful ivs and nature. Surely its...
Get it checked
dull ibex
I got it level 20 on gts it was go stamped with awful ivs and nature. Surely its...
Nope could be clone very easily
charred saddle
I got it level 20 on gts it was go stamped with awful ivs and nature. Surely its...
if it came with go stamp then yeah, nice
charred saddle
Nope could be clone very easily
not if stamped, its hard to tamper with stamp
warped mason
Get it checked
Where do i get it checked?
molten oasis
There’s a chat here that hack checks I believe
charred saddle
but keep in mind, go mark and go stamp is different
dull ibex
not if stamped, its hard to tamper with stamp
Do you know this from expirence?
charred saddle
molten oasis
Yea
charred saddle
this
molten oasis
I need to get my zacian and my bolt checked
charred saddle
Do you know this from expirence?
charred saddle
uhh shiny zac is hard to say drago
molten oasis
Yea ik cuz it’s an event shiny
dull ibex
Any rentals going around yet?
charred saddle
its fucking rare and like easily cloneable and hacked
molten oasis
Yes, that’s why I want it checked
charred saddle
even if u have the WC, it could still be cloned
dull ibex
My shiny zacian is legit 🙂
misty helm
Would groudon be able to deal with zacian
molten oasis
Yea, found that out with my goltres (it was hacked)
dull ibex
Would groudon be able to deal with zacian
Yes.
molten oasis
Would groudon be able to deal with zacian
Yes
dull ibex
Zacian is significantly worse anyways
charred saddle
how heavy is zacian
molten oasis
It’s not that much worse
rustic mountain
wen u claimed shiny zacian urself: 
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
dull ibex
It's a B tier instead of one of the most broken mon ever
charred saddle
oh heavy
rustic mountain
zacian is not b tier man
charred saddle
wen u claimed shiny zacian urself: <:drakeyes:872747596282732554>
gib 
dull ibex
Yes it's that's much worse
molten oasis
No it’s not
rustic mountain
dull ibex
You'll see
rustic mountain
is this some kind of april fools thing?
molten oasis
Im using it, it’s pretty good
dull ibex
wen u claimed shiny zacian urself: <:drakeyes:872747596282732554>
Me too 🙂
rustic mountain
nice
molten oasis
You outspeed pretty much everything and hit everything pretty hard
rustic mountain
i wish we got more cool events like that this gen
guess they are waiting for like the absolute end of sv
misty helm
What is the worst stuff to look out for this upcoming rule set
charred saddle
u say its b tier, i say its still S, not some top tier shit but still up there
so gib me
dull ibex
is this some kind of april fools thing?
You disagreeing doesn't equal me trolling or joking
molten oasis
And it’s a very solid set up Mon with a very very good typing
charred saddle
guess they are waiting for like the absolute end of sv
yeah prob like getting shiny raidons
dull ibex
u say its b tier, i say its still S, not some top tier shit but still up there
...
S tier is Top Tier lmao
dull ibex
I think A tier at best
rustic mountain
You disagreeing doesn't equal me trolling or joking
so yes got it
charred saddle
S tier is Top Tier lmao
low S thing
dull ibex
S tier is too high imo
molten oasis
Ok. What are our thoughts on kyogre
charred saddle
good typing, nice bulk by base, nice movepool
dull ibex
Kyogre gonna wreck everything again
molten oasis
I’m mixed about it rn
molten oasis
Kyogre gonna wreck everything again
We have 4 checks
dull ibex
There's no chance it's not s
charred saddle
a tier seems fair
its like low S high A for me
molten oasis
We have wellspring
dull ibex
We have 4 checks
Doesn't matter imo
molten oasis
Bolt
charred saddle
havent really tried it but by my mind i dont really see any drawbacks
dull ibex
We had checks in every other format
molten oasis
Miraidon, koraidon (to some extent)
rustic mountain
i mean itll b ok. i think in single restricted its a bit tougher. theres a lot then threaten it nd arent worried about taking 1 spout in return
molten oasis
And wellspring
foggy lodge
Doesn't matter imo
I mean it matters, at least we have more responses
molten oasis
Oh and rilla, and gastrodon
charred saddle
it does get nerfed but it was still highly valuable
foggy lodge
Kyogre is not dead but it's not broken
dull ibex
i mean itll b ok. i think in single restricted its a bit tougher. theres a lot t...
Tornogre is crazy
rustic mountain
ogre in double restricted i think will b great
molten oasis
It’s not s anymore
foggy lodge
In almost every gen Kyogre is like top 5 legendaries
molten oasis
Maybe low s, caly terapagos and Mirai are stronger
charred saddle
im curious wether waterpon or gastro will be used more
foggy lodge
Ogerpon
rustic mountain
Tornogre is crazy
it has been, idk bout now tho. bolt alone pressures that and forces a tera, not super ideal and it can jus set up in ur face. also miraidon
charred saddle
since kyogre doesnt like seeing waterpon
solid frigate
Maybe low s, caly terapagos and Mirai are stronger
And Calyrex is just Epitome of Busted
molten oasis
Waterpon has higher utility
dull ibex
Terapogos isn't gonna be good from what I heard in the grapevine
solid frigate
molten oasis
Nah
charred saddle
but like gastro is universally annoying with yawn
rustic mountain
i think itll b solid i jus dont think itll have the strength it used to right now
molten oasis
It’s pretty good
solid frigate
Terapogos isn't gonna be good from what I heard in the grapevine
Tofu who get to no.1 with Terapagos:
molten oasis
Yes he did
misty helm
What do you think are going to be some of the worse threats I will face in the new meta
foggy lodge
Ogerpon can hit Kyogre, Gastrodon can take his attacks but doesn't have a consistent way to damage Kyogre
molten oasis
And terapagos well played is really hard to take down
dull ibex
it has been, idk bout now tho. bolt alone pressures that and forces a tera, not ...
That doesn't knock it down out of S tier, if you want to argue shadow rider is better fine, but it's S tier for sure
dull ibex
Tofu who get to no.1 with Terapagos:
Tbf this tells me nothing
molten oasis
Not, it has to get through bolt miraidon and rilla
dull ibex
Tofu used Pikachu
molten oasis
Generally I think it is not s tier at least not right now
foggy lodge
The hot take https://youtu.be/UvfXObftWtI?si=dfIdUdJWgOpw28kw
dull ibex
I'm never going to argue with that
molten oasis
Neil’s has weird takes
foggy lodge
Haven't seen the video
dull ibex
Agree*
dull ibex
Kyogre is the best rain setter in every format its in
molten oasis
I do think being a Tera hog does weaken it but you get your bang for you buck with it usually
rustic mountain
That doesn't knock it down out of S tier, if you want to argue shadow rider is b...
rilla, wellspring. theres a lot of common stuff it has to deal w/. also sun off rip seems like a way better more versatile archetype. most ppl r not putting ogre that high u can think wat u want tho 
dull ibex
rilla, wellspring. theres a lot of common stuff it has to deal w/. also sun off ...
The counter them?
molten oasis
Sun is stronger overall fs
dull ibex
I'm not sure about that yet
molten oasis
Proto is so good
rustic mountain
wellspring off rip handles ogres only stab and sure u have torn but they have a partner too
charred saddle
btw i also think about something funny
since groudon and kyogre is back, theres prob a resurgence in weather war again
who gets both value? oh walking wake
foggy lodge
I really think that this gen is going to be another weather war like gen 5
dull ibex
This kyogre with tera
rustic mountain
i used ogre a lot in swsh
molten oasis
Groudon is good
foggy lodge
And add the terrains to the equation too
molten oasis
I think groudon is still the premier sun setter
strange tendon
Any opinions on this team? Idk what to change its not really working rn
Flutter Mane
Incineroar
Dragonite
ChienPao
Amoongus
Milotic
dull ibex
I'm very high on koraidon
rustic mountain
its a strong mon, but whats around now and what was then are different
even w/ tera id say it struggles. i could b wrong but those r my initial thoughts
solid frigate
btw i also think about something funny
since groudon and kyogre is back, theres...
its Gen 3 all over again
foggy lodge
Any opinions on this team? Idk what to change its not really working rn
Flutte...
Upload it to pokepaste
molten oasis
That fairy weaknesses with flutter existing holds it back
dull ibex
its Gen 3 all over again
Gen 5*
charred saddle
I think groudon is still the premier sun setter
the slower it is to its counterpart weather war, its better yeah
molten oasis
A lot
strange tendon
Upload it to pokepaste
do I just send the url?
molten oasis
Ground is also better than fighting dragon
dull ibex
Steel tera:
foggy lodge
Koraidon has everything, the only bad thing about Koraidon is being weak to game freak's favorite type
rustic mountain
btw i also think about something funny
since groudon and kyogre is back, theres...
unfortunately i still think wake will b mid but yea haha
solid frigate
You’re also zacian food
Doggo Food fr
foggy lodge
do I just send the url?
Yes
chrome knot
Koraidon has everything, the only bad thing about Koraidon is being weak to game...
tera time
charred saddle
unfortunately i still think wake will b mid but yea haha
its just a funny thought
personally i dont think it will do much, but its just quite funny like to just use it to gain advantage in any weather (except snow and sand) but yeah
rustic mountain
koraidon does have a lot going for it but yea defensively its typing sucks
charred saddle
gleam and ur bonked
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/322cdec3209ece53
Why does the Dnite has protect with choice band?
charred saddle
4x is ass
rustic mountain
its just a funny thought <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
personally i dont think...
i mean itd b cool if it could take advantage
but i think even now bolt for sure and fire will still be chosen more
charred saddle
and then suddenly koraidon + fairy berry reducer thingy going meta
bolt is definitely still used
strange tendon
Why does the Dnite has protect with choice band?
meant to remove it sorry, should be either loaded dice instead of item
rustic mountain
no ik i mean like going forward too
mighty stump
I got to 52 today
nice
charred saddle
gets even more value with kyogre
molten oasis
and then suddenly koraidon + fairy berry reducer thingy going meta
And still explode to flutter
foggy lodge
koraidon does have a lot going for it but yea defensively its typing sucks
It's kinda like a Kyogre check but if Koraidon and Kyogre enter the field at the same type Kyogre's drizzle is always to set up
It's hard
mighty stump
At least Koraidon is a good switch in
charred saddle
no ik i mean like going forward too
ye ye definitely
rustic mountain
well ud jus bring it in the back
mighty stump
- atm Kyogre is choice’d
molten oasis
Yea
rustic mountain
+ atm Kyogre is choice’d
scarf?
molten oasis
Scarf and specs
mighty stump
or Specs
molten oasis
Caly is life orb
rustic mountain
yep
molten oasis
Every physical attacker is clear amulet
dull ibex
Speaking of tofu
charred saddle
or Specs
bang, ujian pasang kateter bang
vet perlu pasang kateter ke binatang ga si?
rustic mountain
who was speaking of tofu
mighty stump
bang, ujian pasang kateter bang
vet perlu pasang kateter ke binatang ga si?
perlu lah
kucing selau UTD
dull ibex
I might want to build sun not sure where to start tbh
dull ibex
who was speaking of tofu
Me
charred saddle
mslhny ukuranny brrti hrs bnyk dong
rustic mountain
groudon flutter
mighty stump
I might want to build sun not sure where to start tbh
Groudon or Koraidon?
rustic mountain
bolt
mighty stump
mslhny ukuranny brrti hrs bnyk dong
gk jga sih
Honestly just like
have Bolt and Flutter
and Incin
and youre set
dull ibex
Groudon or Koraidon?
Groudon ig?
mighty stump
Lol
rustic mountain
tofu knows
dull ibex
Ah OK
molten oasis
Groudon good
molten oasis
Koraimid
ancient crow
speed walking wake might be a good partner for koraidon
rustic mountain
tofu i have those exact 4 in my builder rn 
mighty stump
Koraidon defnitely not mid
charred saddle
venu is still a good partner for groudon
dull ibex
Venu is too tricky to run for me
mighty stump
red guess what
molten oasis
I’m joking it’s early
mighty stump
I hit rank 1 with Terapagos
dull ibex
I still maintain its gonna be better then groudon
mighty stump
😎
molten oasis
I just think groudon is better
dull ibex
I hit rank 1 with Terapagos
Yeah I heard!
rustic mountain
i think g money holds its spot as top sun setter
mighty stump
Turtle op
dull ibex
How is it?
molten oasis
Turtle op
mighty stump
Strong asf imo
charred saddle
I hit rank 1 with Terapagos
now go hit rank 1 with pikachu
ancient crow
really?
molten oasis
Turtle doesn’t FUCKING DIE
mighty stump
now go hit rank 1 with pikachu
anjg
mighty stump
Turtle doesn’t FUCKING DIE
This is true
charred saddle
what does turtle do tho, havent really take a look at it
dull ibex
What moveset for gorudon
ancient crow
I mean, I've been koraidoning my way through the turtle
rustic mountain
i think some1 day 2'd w/ pikachu at a recent irl tour
dull ibex
Sorry my phone is a bit busted
charred saddle
What moveset for gorudon
heatcrash precipice seems nice
molten oasis
what does turtle do tho, havent really take a look at it
Sets up calm mind and then spams a spread move that has 0 drawback
charred saddle
hm
molten oasis
Literally, 0 drawback
dull ibex
Tofu, vc? 👀
mighty stump
Heat Crash/Precipice Blades then either Rock Slide or SD/Protect
charred saddle
annoying i see
charred saddle
oh groudon gets rock slide?
dull ibex
Ah gotcha
mighty stump
Yea
rustic mountain
yea
charred saddle
wtf bro 
rustic mountain
u see the ways of g money now
charred saddle
OH THATS WHERE MAX ROCKFALL FROM
molten oasis
I feel like it wouldn’t make sense if it didn’t tbf
rustic mountain
yea
charred saddle
i always see max rockfall groudon just didnt know where its from
ancient crow
ogerpon fire is commiting crimes under koraidon's sun
molten oasis
It like, controls the ground I feel like it would be able to throw rocks
charred saddle
i only saw rock tomb before i think
dull ibex
I need trs LMAO
rustic mountain
u always see max rockfall groudon? do u see it now?
charred saddle
u always see max rockfall groudon? do u see it now?
yes
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
i wonder how lunalas gna be
imma wait for some1 to come up with the sauce for that
cyan smelt
Caly will still find a way to win even with ting lu and incin everywhere
rustic mountain
if the players good, prolly
charred saddle
i wonder how lunalas gna be
prob gonna be power herb meteor beam thing no?
rustic mountain
prolly
molten oasis
Lunala is solid
rustic mountain
i jus mean i wonder how itll fair overall
charred saddle
oo ye ye
charred saddle
it does ye
rustic mountain
tr seems like a must idk
mighty stump
Imo that’s your set
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
molten oasis
It gets eforce
rustic mountain
yea
mighty stump
Yeah
charred saddle
wide guard gets better now with restricteds
mighty stump
So Lunala itself is also pretty good into Caly-S
rustic mountain
wide guard gets better now with restricteds
yep
mighty stump
Cause Wide Guard walls
charred saddle
yeah
rustic mountain
incin/lunala/bloodmoon seems like a good start
charred saddle
tbf pelipper might do quite well no?
hits waterpon, wideguard, slow weather setter for rain
rustic mountain
molten oasis
I saw a lot of earth power on the terapagos’ I fought today
rustic mountain
yea i think thats usually wat u want
charred saddle
incin/lunala/bloodmoon seems like a good start
fari is still better for the prio block i think
rustic mountain
protect/cm/earth power/ its signature move
molten oasis
Yea
rustic mountain
fari is still better for the prio block i think
wym better?
warped mason
Is this your tier list?
rustic mountain
better then what
cyan smelt
Wonder how much damage blood moon does to caly s
charred saddle
idk for some reason my head thinks that the lunala there was for Tr
rustic mountain
oh i mean the point is to have lunala as the restricted, for me i think its nice for it to set tr for itself. idk if u have to worry much about prio w/ its ability and tera
charred saddle
hmm
rustic mountain
also incin intimidate for physical stuff
farigarif seems weird cuz u double up on weaknesses and lunala is kinda more passive as a restricted anyway
idk u want ur other support to be that
mighty stump
Honestly right now imo defensive synergy is also slightly less important for certain archetypes and more active damage mitigation is huge
molten oasis
Fari caly is something I saw a lot today
mighty stump
Snarls/Vessel of Ruin/Parting Shot
Very important
Wisp as well
Clear Amulet being everywhere
Alternative modes of Speed Control as well will be important
Thunder Wave/Nuzzle
dawn crown
I’m trying so hard to run rayquaza right now but flutter mane is straight up immune
molten oasis
I like wisp incin but caly s mu sucks so I’m on snarl rn
rustic mountain
Honestly right now imo defensive synergy is also slightly less important for cer...
thats fair, i think its less the weakness overlap and more what they provide. farigarif is kinda passive in its own right and im unsure of the value itd provide to that core
charred saddle
hmm
molten oasis
Run dragon ascent delta
mighty stump
Terapagos notes
rustic mountain
the sauce
charred saddle
wait what
mighty stump
Specifically pertaining to my team as well
charred saddle
turtle clears terrain too?
mighty stump
I have more thoughts on the thread
rustic mountain
wen it teras yea
mighty stump
on my twitter
molten oasis
clear amulet zacian <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
You miss out of steel typing
charred saddle
You miss out of steel typing
no need
rustic mountain
idt they are serious
charred saddle
yeah haha
rustic mountain
on my twitter
ill check it out fs
ngl i am not a terapagos believer but im open to be proven wrong
mighty stump
It’s wack but the logic is there. Terapagos literally needs no coverage
charred saddle
hm
rustic mountain
yea i get it, do u find it wonky on wen to use which ability?
molten oasis
Tera starstorm is so good
charred saddle
does turtle clear terrain only or also weather?
rustic mountain
this guy
molten oasis
Both
charred saddle
oh shit
mighty stump
I know when to leverage Tera Shell and when to leave it
You dont always have to Tera to do damage either
molten oasis
Only once but that’s where timing is important
mighty stump
Tera Starstorm without Tera is still a single target 120BP STAB move
rustic mountain
I know when to leverage Tera Shell and when to leave it
yea i think thats the main issue is finding that balance
wats it sp atk again 130 right
kinda eh no?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
mighty stump
105
rustic mountain
oh god wtf
mighty stump
its a standard legendary
charred saddle
what the actual fuck 120 bp? single
molten oasis
It’s a really strong Mon
rustic mountain
it takes up a restricted slot tho
charred saddle
u like fat mon huh
mighty stump
And its worth it lol
I can eat Choice Band Tera Fighting Collision Course in Sun for free
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
molten oasis
So good
warped mason
Where do u check the stamp of a pokemon?
molten oasis
And it’s recyclable
rustic mountain
im jus sayin that in response to it being a standard legend like its not in classification jus stats
molten oasis
With how good it’s bulk is
charred saddle
Where do u check the stamp of a pokemon?
in pokemon home mobile
mighty stump
im jus sayin that in response to it being a standard legend like its not in clas...
ok but
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.2
molten oasis
Insane stats
rustic mountain
oh there we go thats the 130 sp atk i thought i was bugging
mighty stump
It pulls a Zygarde and also heals approx 20%
rustic mountain
would u say u tera it often?
mighty stump
when you Tera
molten oasis
Why would you run it if you didn’t
mighty stump
would u say u tera it often?
Prioritised the tera, leverage the bulk
molten oasis
Intend to Tera it
mighty stump
I tera’d it in 33/34 games
charred saddle
basically a hog
molten oasis
What game did you not Tera it
rustic mountain
got it ahaha i figured but ig u play well enough it doesnt matter
and seems like u did
molten oasis
He hit #1
rustic mountain
ik
mighty stump
What game did you not Tera it
Wanted Rilla to live Glacial Lance
molten oasis
Ah makes sense
mighty stump
People also willy nilly Tera in front of Terapagos
rustic mountain
mighty stump
and some are so afraid to Tera
molten oasis
Good plan lmfao
molten oasis
It’s scary to Tera infront of it
rustic mountain
im guessing u think mb set is better then cm?
molten oasis
If Zac doesn’t work I’ll probably go to terapagos
mighty stump
im guessing u think mb set is better then cm?
I think you run both
I previously said pick one or the other
rustic mountain
mighty stump
Turns out
charred saddle
so cm mb?
molten oasis
ANYWAY imma go eat now
charred saddle
cm mb starstorm and?
rustic mountain
protect
mighty stump
CM MB TS Protect
rustic mountain
tofu u madman
mighty stump
you really dont care
charred saddle
its power herb or? just normal fucking wait 2 turns shit
charred saddle
wtf
atomic mural
terapamid
charred saddle
huh
rustic mountain
meteor into starstorm?
mighty stump
meteor into starstorm?
Meteor Beam into whatever you want
at +1 with Tera you 2HKO certain Zacians
rustic mountain
wow
mighty stump
Starstorm has “no safe switch”
rustic mountain
caly shadow?
mighty stump
Which is why im emphasisjng active damage mitigation
mighty stump
caly shadow?
Whats it gonna do
rustic mountain
isnt it normal type
mighty stump
Astral Barrage?
rustic mountain
psyshock
mighty stump
I can just Tera, clear terrain, Starstorm for 2HKO
rustic mountain
flutter can too
mighty stump
If i lead Incin + Terapagos I can scare you into Teraing
and you just eat SE Starstorm
rustic mountain
mighty stump
Meanwhile Terapagos lives Tera Fighting Focus Blast
rustic mountain
whose running that
mighty stump
Some loser who lost
rustic mountain
lmao
mighty stump
to my Terapagos
mighty stump
Koraidon was the hardest in the sense only cause of it being able to remove Clefairy but like
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/c1253c924bf138ba Miraidon is now less defense and more into speed to have a better way of countering terapagos (volt switch into ivy cudgel kills terapagos)
mighty stump
I just lead Flutter and aso scare you into Teraing
rustic mountain
u running sash?
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/c1253c924bf138ba Miraidon is now less defense and more into ...
also just makes it faster than all ogerpons
mighty stump
Booster Spe since I don’t have sun
rustic mountain
me stealing the sauce off ur twitter post 
rustic mountain
urshi single?
mighty stump
Water
rustic mountain
yea i brought it to 2 games i think?
mighty stump
standard fwg
strange tendon
How do people counter glimmora? Having trouble
rustic mountain
rilla/incin jus feel better most times
mighty stump
How do people counter glimmora? Having trouble
Lando-I
Scout with Protects to stop Meteor Beam
then it loses Rock STAB
strange tendon
Oh dam ty
rustic mountain
glimmora can be annoying
strange tendon
I'm thinking of using her instead of chien pao cos I don't really bring him all that often and glimmora seems to fit a niche my team doesn't have so was wondering what to worry about. Ty for insight
rustic mountain
chien pao is great but yea depends on the rest of the team
@mighty stump jus beat a terapagos team 
they ff'd before even sending it out tho
dull ibex
I just gotta wait for you tubers to put out early rentals
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> jus beat a terapagos team <:pepemostacho:76390051627899290...
Lul
rustic mountain
dapper crag
can I make lugia work or is he too weak
warped mason
I am ready
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/e2707876bbf8b7fd
- Heat Crash over Fire Punch. Imo Clear Amulet is just a better item. if AV you want bulk investment. Rock Slide over Crunch.
- Don’t necessarily need Booster Energy on Mane cause of Sun.
- Venusaur wants Sleep Powder. You have no real assistance in setting up with Growth
Lugia is meh
dapper crag
- Heat Crash over Fire Punch. Imo Clear Amulet is just a better item. if AV you ...
Without av I get one shot by calyrex
only reason I chose it
what would you reccomend over booster I tried specs but I didn’t like being locked in to icy wind in some situations
fluid wind
https://pokepast.es/3a54110ecc5a4456 what do yall think of this team
dawn crown
On an AV kingambit should I run Tera flying or dark
Wait does weezing stop baby terapagos from transforming
cyan smelt
Nope, doesn't stop tera shift
fluid wind
https://pokepast.es/3a54110ecc5a4456 what do yall think of this team
this team is doing good rn
cyan smelt
Add Venusaur and ogerpon hearthflame
dull ibex
leans too heavy into sun
I already have heat crash, flutter, and bolt abusing sun, incin's flare blitz as well
cyan smelt
Don't sun teams usually have gastrodon
cyan smelt
What have you got to deal with caly s
dull ibex
idk maybe?
cyan smelt
Rilla might be good in case you encounter psyspam
dull ibex
I agree
cyan smelt
Then idk about the 6th slot
Farig maybe for shutting down opposing tr and preventing fake out?
dull ibex
yeah maybe
cyan smelt
Or amoonguss maybe in case tr goes up
dull ibex
fair
cyan smelt
Yeah not really sure what your 6th should be
true niche
tera ice calyrex ice?
cyan smelt
terapagos behind screens looks like a nightmare to face lol
mighty stump
Ive seen those variants too
cyan smelt
and if you tera, welp, tera starstorm
dawn crown
terapagos behind screens looks like a nightmare to face lol
Yea on a balence team with screen incin and amoongus terapagos can go brrrrrrrrr
cyan smelt
terapagos, incin, urshifu, amoonguss
dawn crown
terapagos, incin, urshifu, amoonguss
I have been working on that exact team lol
cyan smelt
but caly-s just slays everything, screw type resistances
dawn crown
but caly-s just slays everything, screw type resistances
Prime time for kingambit
cyan smelt
you'd think so but paired next to indeedee you can't touch it
maybe something with snarl that's bulky
cyan smelt
and tera fairy to deal with urshifu?
dawn crown
Yea
cyan smelt
i'm beginning to think clear amulet caly-i is even more busted
dawn crown
Clear amulet is broken this reg
mighty stump
That’s why we run Wisp Incin
dawn crown
That’s why we run Wisp Incin
I want to use it but what move do I replace
mighty stump
and if you tera, welp, tera starstorm
Easiest way to win against Terapagos is just Snarl spam
lol
Standard “stop momentum” gameplan
dawn crown
Wait is clear amulet terapagos a bad idea
mighty stump
I would prefer Covert Cloak
Does the same thing for the relevant stuff outside of parting shot
With the bonus of anti flinch
i considered Covert Cloak with Calm Mind only
cyan smelt
Can't you run earth power
dawn crown
I run earth power
mighty stump
Not the same coverage
cyan smelt
i kinda want to use ho-oh
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/a70fd9e421fc3b9f I have been losing a lot with this team, any issues (outside of Zekrom, it wont be removed)?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
timber falcon
maybe cause its mixed HO with things like amoongus and incin?
idk, but it seems off
autumn vault
The team is built around Zekrom and Dragon Dance to get off attack and speed boosts and then bolt strike everything in the vicinity
autumn vault
Incineroar intimidates while checking calyrex shadow
amoonguss helps with setting it up safely
timber falcon
yeah thats what i thought
but then how are u failing? is it the lack of comfortable swaps?
autumn vault
but then how are u failing? is it the lack of comfortable swaps?
I think it is the amount of spread moves
Miraidon isn't a problem trust me, the E terrain makes bolt strike hit like a truck
timber falcon
wdym by spread moves?
autumn vault
wdym by spread moves?
Like for example astral barrage glacial lance heat wave
like those moves, only lance is giving me trouble
barrage and heat wave arent
willow vault
I’m definitely struggling most against lance
timber falcon
uhh isnt incin there
willow vault
Yeah and I’m struggling outside of it
autumn vault
uhh isnt incin there
Clear amulet
and i try to use ass vest
so no wisp or shot
oh wait i just remembered i am not using those
timber falcon
well tbh i have 3 lance resistors in my team, thats how i overcame it
autumn vault
wisp makes caly ice much easier to deal with
Ok, anything else you want to adress?
timber falcon
wouldnt amoongus be a hard tr counter?
autumn vault
I mostly dont bring it because i dont want it to get annihilated by a glacial lance
cyan smelt
how about garganacl, helps with the tr matchup, has wide guard and salt cure
timber falcon
garganacl seems fun
autumn vault
I will try Garg, not sure how good it is rn but i will give it a try
timber falcon
I mostly dont bring it because i dont want it to get annihilated by a glacial la...
ik but if you do see a tr team with glastrier, it makes em think twice
autumn vault
They always lead it
timber falcon
lead glastrier????
autumn vault
Those players are 1000/1100 players
timber falcon
oh i literally never lead it
autumn vault
I have been considering Clefairy to help against spread moves
cyan smelt
you can tera to ghost against caly-shadow to avoid tera fighting tera blast too
autumn vault
true
I was going with that anyways so it wouldn't have mattered if you said it or not
cyan smelt
only thing you'd have to worry about then is incin knock off and urshifu wicked blow
oh and i guess ursaluna bm blood moon
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
cyan smelt
but it's good against the restricteds
timber falcon
does precipe blades hit all mons?
cyan smelt
it hits all opposing mons
timber falcon
ok so not mine
cyan smelt
nope
timber falcon
Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 156 HP / 100 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Heat Crash
- Breaking Swipe
- Burning Bulwark
- Howl
autumn vault
After looking at the team, i think Garg would only bring more issues
timber falcon
Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: F...
how does this set look?
timber falcon
After looking at the team, i think Garg would only bring more issues
oh
autumn vault
more water weaknesses for example
cyan smelt
isn't that what zekrom's for
autumn vault
Without zekrom water becomes a problem, zekrom does live long so not too much
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094228674 I tested Garg, not that bad against snow
I will go back to amoonguss
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/99580ccba11e157a hows it looking?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/99580ccba11e157a hows it looking?
I dont think chlorophyll is that good on exeggutor
also you forgot to ev groudon
autumn vault
Harvest allows exeggutor to become really hard to take down without brute force (astral barrage annihilates it btw)
autumn vault
I think you meant a calyrex ice killer/resister
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
cyan smelt
you just need something to wisp caly-i
timber falcon
that attack is no joke
timber falcon
you just need something to wisp caly-i
oh yeah
cyan smelt
unless it tera fires then you're screwed
autumn vault
Gouging fire cant learn will o wisp
timber falcon
fluttera/
autumn vault
for some reason despite being a fire type gouging cant learn will-o-wisp
autumn vault
what about flutter here
As much as i hate it i think it is a good counter to it and shadow rider calyrex
timber falcon
man flutter cant learn wisp
autumn vault
I would go high speed investment to outspeed calyrex shadow and threaten the tera out of it
obviously dont ignore bulk unless it is a sash mane
specs and sash look good in this case
timber falcon
Flutter Mane @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Protect
- Taunt
this?
autumn vault
Flutter Mane @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Gho...
I would go timid to outspeed and force the tera out of koraidon and calyrex shadow consistently
also why taunt?
timber falcon
tr
cyan smelt
you need bulk on flutter
timber falcon
you need bulk on flutter
even if sash?
autumn vault
you need bulk on flutter
it is a sash flutter
cyan smelt
oh nvm
autumn vault
it doesn't need bulk
timber falcon
taunt is there to stop set up and other shenanigans
autumn vault
ok
autumn vault
for the 6th member idk
timber falcon
im thinking a physical attacker
autumn vault
We have groudon exeggutor fucker mane gouging and torn
timber falcon
that benefits from howl
autumn vault
sure
I would go chien pao but that gives you 3 weaknesses to rock
exeggutor isnt a great offensive mon
groudon can take it on
timber falcon
exeggutor is the grass core
autumn vault
Honestly i would go Fire Water Grass but you need a physical mon and urshifu rapid strike doesn't look that good with sun, idk any other water type that doesn't mind sun outside of wake
timber falcon
i made it the slowest possible for tr scenarios
yeah but i dont like wakes dragon typing
autumn vault
So urshifu is out of the list
Here are the pokemon in my mind rn: Chien Pao Ting-Lu Kingambit
All of them can deal with calyrex shadow and it looks pretty good onto your team except against fucker mane
autumn vault
kambit it is
Oh wait OTOT it's you
timber falcon
yep yep
autumn vault
Did you try to prank me?
timber falcon
autumn vault
Like how me, Drago and Monke trolled you
autumn vault
Wait we can try to fool them
Obviously i wont prank again for the month because otherwise people wouldn't trust me
autumn vault
but i think the way i spoke gave it away
In your profile there is otot8953 under > Kyogre, that was the thing that made me realize it is you
timber falcon
aw man
timber falcon
prolly not drago cause i told him ima use groudon for a team
tough idol
Or me as I'm always lurking 
autumn vault
Or me as I'm always lurking <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
If you didn't know i was actually trolling yesterday
cyan smelt
since when can solgaleo learn close combat
autumn vault
since when can solgaleo learn close combat
autumn vault
And you stayed silent
tough idol
11 days off work now 
tough idol
And you stayed silent
Bet there's at least another 4 regulars who have stayed silent
cyan smelt
u need taunt
cyan smelt
caly-ice is busted with clear amulet
autumn vault
ok so in reg G ive gone agaisnt 4 consecutive tr teams
Same but instead it's Kyurem-W
timber falcon
seems like tr is becoming veryyy popular
also gouging groudon simply isnt it
as expected its too predictable
timber falcon
im sensing zekrom bias
autumn vault
I will assume it applies to everything exactly for each tier
I can use it to success
and it was a journey
timber falcon
yki like the look of necrozma dusk wings
autumn vault
which is why it is in the middle
timber falcon
and it was a journey
whats ur elo?
autumn vault
whats ur elo?
Low, i keep getting clapped by Calyrex-Ice
mighty stump
My tier list on Usability
Putting Lunala in noob use is
autumn vault
well, if you wanne beat em, join em <:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
*if you can't beat 'em, join 'em
autumn vault
Putting Lunala in noob use is
i hardly made any changes
and it is now in can succeed in the right hands
tough idol
Gonna be annoying that I can't have Caly Ice and Shadow at same time on cart (unless I'm missing something)
autumn vault
at least the goat lugia isnt in the no reason box <:WobbuParty:66950045794041858...
Only viable set it stored power CM weakness policy
mighty stump
Dialga being so low down is also criminal
autumn vault
Dialga being so low down is also criminal
I havent seen a dialga, also i have never heard of it's performance
timber falcon
dialga looks good
autumn vault
Dialga is higher because of Tofu. he has actual experience with restricted formats
cyan smelt
Where's the origin forms for Dialga and Palkia
timber falcon
are they in the game?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
cyan smelt
On the list
timber falcon
oh i didnt even know stats changed
cyan smelt
Telepathy is good next to ursaluna
timber falcon
and its bulk is looking rly great, whilst being able to shamck caly-ice hard
cyan smelt
Unless caly knows close combat
timber falcon
i mean caly losing its incredible bulk is also decent
cyan smelt
Or even high horsepower
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.26.4
cyan smelt
Speed tie with ursaluna, not good
timber falcon
what was Game freak thinking
autumn vault
what was Game freak thinking
They were thinking badly because the lead of balancing drank too much at the bar
so they made those stats
timber falcon
They were thinking badly because the lead of balancing drank too much at the bar
fr they cooked up some devious mons in gen 8, 100% high af
cyan smelt
The DLC mons from swsh are broken
autumn vault
The DLC mons from swsh are broken
And also SV
look at terapagos and bolt
and also Ogerpon
autumn vault
Anyways i will use my team and hope i succeed
cyan smelt
Zacian can learn close combat too, so a lot of fun things with close combat now
timber falcon
Anyways i will use my team and hope i succeed
good luck
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/4eab9c4c2eea9879 set adjustments
autumn vault
good luck
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094255552 thank you because i encountered this team
gentle cragBOT
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2094255552 thank you because ...
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tough idol
Wtf is that overlay
autumn vault
Why didn't they tera miraidon to fairy
i would have annihilated them
electric terrain bolt strike does more damage than super effective D-Claw
I used rage powder btw
autumn vault
They wasted their turns going for soak
true, only mattered against the shroom and even then i would have won either way
cyan smelt
Low ladder nonsense
autumn vault
wth was that team anyeay
A 1000's player's team
Mine atleast is competent, unlike theirs
autumn vault
fr imagine walking into a retricted format with golduck and pelliper
retricted?
restricted right?
autumn vault
Also did you notice Smogon is now doing seasons with badges?
Neat
I wonder who cares
cyan smelt
I want to try and build around ho oh but I'd need some way to deal with caly s and miraidon
timber falcon
I want to try and build around ho oh but I'd need some way to deal with caly s a...
assault vest
cyan smelt
I was thinking kingambit
timber falcon
wont gambit be obliterated by mirai?
cyan smelt
AV
cyan smelt
If kingambit doesn't work I'll probably have to use incin