competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

besides not leading zac

into clear checks

im obv not gonna lead zac into like, hearthflame for example

[rustic mountain]

well yea itd depend wat the rest of the team is

yea ofc, it gets more nuanced

[molten oasis]

zac generally just loses to it without tera

im opting for dragon tera rn

[rustic mountain]

interesting

[molten oasis]

you resist the ogerpons

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

incin, rilla

youre faster than flutter so its not really an issue

unless they all adapt to speed booster, or all start running tera fire lol

i tried water, it felt kinda bad

[rustic mountain]

haha yea id imagine ppl would go speed boosting instead of speed booster cuz theyll have better sun setter options

[molten oasis]

water tera wiht miraidon sucks lol

[rustic mountain]

water was my initial leaning

[molten oasis]

adn honestly its bad into ogerpon

[rustic mountain]

still will have to try it but yea ur always gna have ur tera be weak into something else right

its about wen u tera and how u handle that check to ur post tera

[molten oasis]

its normal yea

i just had water just kinda fail on me too much

[rustic mountain]

nah thats fair

if its not working for u its not working i jus mean like in general w/ tera

[molten oasis]

yea for sure

alr well, imma go play game now

[solid frigate]

?

did i miss something

did i heard Turtle

Tree Have you ever Heard of Meteor Beam Calm Mind Terapagos-

anyways

[cyan smelt]

what is this upper hand weakness policy thing lol

[solid frigate]

wut

[cyan smelt]

upper hand on dragonite wp who then uses e-speed

[solid frigate]

i am still kinda not sure about Upper hand does honestly,it does not feel like Sucker Punch

[cyan smelt]

tera normal d-nite, upper hand e-speed, because it has inner focus it doesn't flinch

[solid frigate]

Ah.

ok

Calm Mind (Terapagos) @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Def / 76 SpA / 92 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Protect

Idk about this set

[mighty stump]

It’s one or the other

Not both.

[mighty stump]

Investment wise it looks inefficient

[upbeat quail]

So my flutter mane just lived a Tera Stellar boosted icicle crash from a -1 Chien pao. What are the chances?

[last yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/45464dfc830acff9

Y'all think I should swap torkoal out for smth else?

[elder bridge]

What’s a set that beat glimmorra and dondonzo

[pearl wind]

that depends on your Flutter Mane EV spread

[upbeat quail]

The wolfey sun one

[pearl wind]

-1 252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Chien-Pao Icicle Crash (1st Use) vs. 52 HP / 124 Def Flutter Mane: 120-142 (87.5 - 103.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

if its adamant chien-pao, jolly you survive guaranteed

[upbeat quail]

Thank you

[pearl wind]

no problem if you wanna do calcs yourself you can use this one https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[acoustic cloak]

Okay, so I have an interesting hypothetical here. I just finished an in-game Multi Battle. My side won by the enemies' forfeit. I want to know if they still had a chance to win, however.

The opponent had an Incineroar that has used its Eject Button already, with 80% health left. It knows the moves Parting Shot and Knock Off, along with two others it has not used yet, and a Terastalized Fire Flutter Mane at 25% in the back, knowing Dazzling Gleam (with its other moves and item unshown; my guess is Specs given it did not have a Booster Energy).

I had a full health Female Indeedee locked into Psychic (enemy does not know the item is Choice Scarf and only knows Psychic is a move it has), with a full health Vespiquen in the back (Vespiquen has Skitter Smack, Acrobatics, Roost, and Toxic Spikes with a Psychic Seed, all unknown to the enemy).

My ally was down to only his Ribombee. Ribombee has revealed Moonblast so far (its other moves are Sticky Web, U-Turn, and Quiver Dance).

Was my opponent right to forfeit this game? I am curious. Both sides (except me) had very viable teams you could reasonably see early in a tournament.

All sides had already used Tera, so no one could Tera anything else.

[autumn vault]

Zekrom @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Teravolt
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 28 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bolt Strike
• Dragon Dance
• Protect
• Dragon Claw
  This set has succeded a lot for me against Corny, did all right against drago and clobbered by TorrentAegis

[cyan smelt]

Is kyurem black in snow gonna be good

[autumn vault]

I think they had a small chance to win, locked into psychic and a weak pokemon with the ally also having a weak pokemon, they definetely had a chance, even if its small

I never played multi battles so this is not an amazing analysis or something but that is my answer

[acoustic cloak]

Okay. I personally felt they shouldn't have forfeited, since a Flare Blitz from Incineroar would've pretty much done the Ribombee in, and easily 2HKO my Vespiquen (since Psychic Seed boosts Special Def). I doubt we had the firepower to finish off Incineroar.

[autumn vault]

I think they had a chance

But we have to factor in crits so they didn't have a 100% to win and maybe a lucky crit could have won your side

[acoustic cloak]

True.

Yeah, Vespiquen was statted to survive Mane after seed, but that meant Roar would easily 2HKO her.

Even with a crit, not sure Acrobatics would KO Roar.

[autumn vault]

true

[acoustic cloak]

I also doubt the unboosted Ribombee Moonblast would KO either.

[autumn vault]

It was still a 2v1

[acoustic cloak]

True.

[autumn vault]

acrobatics and moonblast could deal big damage to incineroar

and vespiquen could survive a flare blitz and use a 2nd one, and flare blitz has recoil

[acoustic cloak]

Given the damage it took earlier from Abomasnow's Earth Power, and how it shrugged it off pretty handily, I doubt the Ribombee would do much.

Definitely crits would matter.

[acoustic cloak]

True. I would need to get Vespiquen in safely by predicting Incineroar gunning for the Ribombee while I switch.

[autumn vault]

Moonblast would be 147.5 (i think) to incin and earth power 180 bp

and ribombee has a higher SpA than abomasnow

[acoustic cloak]

Seems like it would've been close.

[autumn vault]

true

I think that is the safest conclusion

[acoustic cloak]

Well, I'll take the win. I decided to lead with Indeedee last second since I saw the enemy team had a lot of priority reliance with Incineroar, Raging Bolt, Iron Valiant, and Kingambit.

Psychic Terrain was clutch.

Those close fights are the best ones.

I also was surprised by my Eviolite Lampent.

Granted it had Abomasnow's Aurora Veil, but it actually took some solid hits.

[autumn vault]

I am more worried about Abomasnow staying on the field with an incineroar than the conclusion

[acoustic cloak]

Tera Water.

[autumn vault]

oh right

[acoustic cloak]

Yeah, Tera Water Abomasnow, Tera Fire Flutter Mane, Tera Grass Lampent, and Tera Flying Kingambit were the Teras.

[timber falcon]

I don’t see why not, seems like fun aurora veil spammage

[lofty tartan]

Honesatly I think Kyurem-W has a better shot. Incredible move pool, 170 base special attack - insane bulk only increased in snow. Tera Fire Fusion Flare

Kyurem-W has seen some success in the past - I hear Kyurem-B saw much less, but I wasn't playing VGC pre-gen 9

[acoustic cloak]

Kyurem-W was the better of the two.

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure. I'm currently working out some snow team with TW to support Kyurem-W. Pet project sort of thing.

Manual Snow with all the Kyogre and Groudon that'll be present.

[acoustic cloak]

It all boiled down to stats.

Even with Snow, White will outperform Black with better bulk and more damage.

[lofty tartan]

Kyurem-W and B have similar bulk stats. 100spD and 90D for W, flipped for Black. So Black has 10 more physical defense points, and we're probably still going to be in a physically-leaned meta.

Stats are great for both, honestly. Same speed, same HP, same offense.

[acoustic cloak]

White's 125/90/100 is superb bulk paired with a 170 Special Attack.

Snow better suits the slight favoritism toward Special Defense White has.

[lofty tartan]

The 10 points isn't a deal breaker, where snow increases physical defense. Honestly Kyurem-W will get less of a gain with snow.

The 10 spDefense difference isn't gonna account for a lot.

[acoustic cloak]

Also that there are more Physically tanky threats than Specially tanky ones.

This was how it was back in Gen 5.

As for Gen 9? We'll have to see.

[lofty tartan]

In Gen 5 snow didn't give any buffs.

That's a Gen 9 thing.

[acoustic cloak]

Yup.

White was the better one back then.

With Snow, I suspect the same will hold.

[lofty tartan]

I do think Kyurem-W is going to have a better time, but I don't think it's because Kyurem-W has 10 more special defense.

Frankly I think it'll be like... good but not great?

Should be fun though.

I think Groudon/Bolt is going to be quite a menacing thing though.

Covers Groudon into the Kyogre matchup and just has great synergy.

Gonna be hard to get a safe Water Spout there.

[willow vault]

Add on flutter mane, as it can get a stat boost + focus sash and fairy and ground have great offensive synergy. It’s gonna be solid

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I've been playing Groudon already with Sash Mane/Bolt/Venusaur

Sleep Powder into Precipice Blades is sorta backbreaking

[willow vault]

Very nice, I like the sound of the team

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Tera Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 306-360 (183.2 - 215.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This is a calc I like, heading into an assumed single restricted format.

[willow vault]

Have you thought of using lilligant, for the potential after you shenanigans

[willow vault]

That’s a lot

[lofty tartan]

I'm running a pretty fast Groudon, and Lilligant is just... sorta okay? After You just seems less appealing when you're not playing Torkoal/Eruption.

[willow vault]

Fair enough, just curious

[lofty tartan]

No it's a valid theory.

Lillikoal has seen success in the past. I've been playing Venukoal for a little bit now and it just aligns better with how I play.

Oh yeah, Wake is on the team too 🤷

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[lofty tartan]

So you've got a good deal of fast options and some bulk options as well.

I have a paste

[mighty stump]

Did you know my Flutter can live Tera Fire Fusion Flare in Sun

[willow vault]

Can I see so I can copy it

[willow vault]

Damn

[lofty tartan]

That's hot. Pun intended.

https://pokepast.es/e235e5aff787bf07

This is the version with Incin over Farigiraf, and Specs Wake with Lorb Venu.

I've played a Cloak Venu lately without protect, with Sleep Powder and it's been really good. Thanks to Tofu for that one.

If Cloak Venu just move Lorb to Wake, Tera Fire, remove Tera Blast for Protect 🤷

[mighty stump]

Your Groudon is faster than mine wtf

[lofty tartan]

YES IT IS

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[mighty stump]

I still like my variant

My secret tech

[willow vault]

Just a question if I want to make Palkia work do I just have to accept the bad accuracy, namely of hydro pump

[lofty tartan]

140 speed has been pretty great on Groudon - ngl.

[mighty stump]

I think people have like

Over-memed the Hydro Pump accuracy

[lofty tartan]

^^^^

I've gotten hit with plenty of raw Hydro Pumps.

[mighty stump]

Bleakwind Storm has worse accuracy than Hydro Pump

You just don't realise it cause you're hitting more than 1 target

[willow vault]

I know, I just was wondering if it’s hydro pump, or nothing

[mighty stump]

85% chance to kill something due to the massive BP difference or 0% chance to

[lofty tartan]

Looks like it's Hydro or nothing, really.

[willow vault]

Fair point, I will continue to use Palkia, thanks Tofu

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[autumn vault]

That groudon spread is interesting, i never played restricted formats but i always have known that groudon have small speed investment to underspeed kyogre

[upbeat quail]

How does one deal with a calm mind raging bolt

[autumn vault]

I still like my Zekrom team

These were the matches of testing

[willow vault]

That’s good

[autumn vault]

I think Zekrom is better than B-Kyurem, mostly because it gets reliable stabs and B-Kyurem has to rely on freeze shock (a charging move) as it's ice stab, Tera (ice) Blast is pretty mediocre, i prefer having one of many tera types on B-Kyurem than ice

[willow vault]

Fair

[autumn vault]

But it does share the same type as Miraidon so that is something to consider

[willow vault]

I have built a team around Palkia origin and I did not realise just how different it is from regular Palkia when team building

[autumn vault]

neat

[solid frigate]

i did not make that i just found it weird

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 220 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 170-204 (84.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 244 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 168 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 180-212 (89.1 - 104.9%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

yeah its actually insnae to think about

[willow vault]

How much does it take from max damage water spout from kyogre? Just curious

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 32 SpD Terapagos-Stellar in Rain: 402-474 (80.4 - 94.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[willow vault]

More than I thought, don’t know why I thought it wouldn’t do that much

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 32 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Rain: 268-316 (72.4 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if its Specs then its definently OHKO

[willow vault]

Very interesting

[autumn vault]

Terapagos is just bulky

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 32 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Rain: 300-354 (81 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 156 HP / 32 SpD Terapagos-Stellar in Rain: 601-708 (120.2 - 141.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I got this from a friend who played during previous restricted formats. You're not gonna be super inclined to start Groudon into Kyogre, I'd imagine, anyway. I want to pressure Kyogre with Bolt in or out of Sun. 🤷

[autumn vault]

good point

Also tomorrow they will reveal the next format, hope all of this work will pay off

[solid frigate]

Wait actually

[autumn vault]

its 31/03/2024 or 03/31/2024 if you are american

next month is the final one of reg F

[solid frigate]

If Reg G is not restricted Format imma throw my team into the trash

[solid frigate]

wait,Its today.

at least in UK

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's the 31st in the US too. I assume April 1st is the reveal.

Which is hilarious, if so

[solid frigate]

imagine April Fools-

[autumn vault]

Hello so here is the format: top 10 bans
(in 2nd) Hello, we lied, it is the restricted format

[lofty tartan]

I do not want another Spikemuth cup

[autumn vault]

Non-tera will make Tyranitar unviable so i agree with you

[lofty tartan]

It'll still be a centralized format - just centralized around different things

And when they did Spikemuth, they also hit things in Singles format - so Tyranitar and Hippowdon were both banned and Sand was nonexistent.

[autumn vault]

I agree

I thought you meant teras but yeah that would be awful

Would be bad unless Gamefreak get off of the chair and actually seperate them to the format where they are meant to be banned and not banned

[lofty tartan]

Farigiraf and BM Ursa are also just outside of top ten with Firepon. Would be quite a show

Dunno if they'd just get rid of all Ogerpon - whatever. I don't want to think of a repeat Spikemuth

[autumn vault]

Tomorrow when they reveal the format, stay on your guard and pray it is a lie (dont pray if its the restricted format)

[solid frigate]

what time in UTC

[autumn vault]

idk

I forgot at what time they announce it

[autumn vault]

Trick room would become meta, that means Progatog will be at the max power possible with trick room meta
But seriously Trick Room and Hearthflame would become meta for sure, and i pray tyranitar gets improved

I have a team prepared for that format so i am double prepared for restricted and ban formats

[solid frigate]

i think T-tar would have plays since its very good in trick rooms in Series 1

[autumn vault]

I won a showdown room tour with trick room tyranitar and it busted up meta teams and a perish trap team

[solid frigate]

damn

[autumn vault]

I have proof and if you want, i can show proof that i did win a tour

and the finals of the tour

[solid frigate]

its ok i trust

i am still finding about the time source

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2092901222

[chrome knot]

egg colour

[willow vault]

Blue?

[chrome knot]

well im not blue

[willow vault]

You just said egg colour, so I named a colour

[timber falcon]

yellow?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2092930631 team cloners after i pull up the cybertron vid

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/aa5da553b28e3506

[modern pebble]

Question

[upbeat quail]

So I’m not entirely sold on the tornadus here. In my experience playing on showdown and the GC he doesn’t always get the best value. Any other suggestions?

[lofty tartan]

Answer

[lofty tartan]

Tornadus is literally one of the highest value Tailwind setters in the format right now for quite a few reasons.

[modern pebble]

Should I go for nuzzle or mystical fire on Hatterene? Fire hits steel, have psyschock for poison, but nuzzle is tempting because it supports the team by paralyzing enemies

[lofty tartan]

Nuzzle is not good on Hatterene. Mystical Fire is okay, and so is Psyshock, but you may honestly be better off with Dazzling Gleam/Expanding Force.

I assume you're playing Hatterene in Trick Room? Paralysis halves speed.

[upbeat quail]

That’s the thing, I’m not the biggest fan of tailwind on this team. The only mon I’ve found that benefits from it is flutter mane. Maybe I need to swap a move or two on the torn.

[modern pebble]

Oh wait is this a vgc chat?

[lofty tartan]

This is.

[modern pebble]

Sorry I thought it was singles haha

[lofty tartan]

That's because a majority of your team is slow. If you're playing for TR as a main strategy, you don't want to divide focus via Tailwind and slow mons.

Bolt is middling but he has low speed investment here.

[upbeat quail]

That’s a good point. This is wolfeys team so it’s been doing pretty well.

[modern pebble]

Wouldn’t tailwind act as a wild card after trick room?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the thing about copying teams like Wolfe's is that he's an exceptionally skilled player and a lot of his teams are niche, and require knowledge and skill to pilot effectively.

[modern pebble]

Kinda like an “AHA! Got you” move, surprise lol

[lofty tartan]

Tailwind would increase your speed and make you move later under TR. Don't do it.

[upbeat quail]

I have made some good plays by using my own trick room on the last turn of tailwind

[modern pebble]

I know, I meant AFTER trick room

If you no longer have TR setter, you have the tailwind one and might be able to boost your speed

[upbeat quail]

The team has been performing quite well for when I pilot it, but Im just noticing some of the weaker links

[modern pebble]

But that also sounds complicated to work with

[lofty tartan]

I mean theoretically yeah you could use Tailwind after Trick Room is over, but you need to get to that point. TR aims to finish the game ASAP, and usually doesn't plan for setting Tailwind after the gameplan fails.

[upbeat quail]

Just trying to figure out what to replace torn with, maybe Rilla? Idk

[modern pebble]

True, you’re right

[mighty stump]

Plus the speed a twhich TR mons work don't reaelly benefit after TW

[lofty tartan]

But technically yeah you could use Torn with a sweeper as a closer, but you're still piloting slow mons in Tailwind

[modern pebble]

That’s true

It is still good to carry a speedy mon in a TR team though, yeah? For when TR is over and you have no other setter

[lofty tartan]

Usually the fast mons in TR teams are to help set up TR

[modern pebble]

Oooooh

[lofty tartan]

Either through disruption, a key KO, or other means like Cornerstone Ogerpon and Sturdy/Follow Me

[lofty tartan]

Personally, if it were me, I wouldn't be trying to reinvent Wolfe's teams. He's an expert teambuilder and player, and while I just may not care for the guy's content, he makes teams with definite intent and strategies. Breaking that up can make the team run awkwardly. I'd keep playing with the team and try to learn as much as I can about it, or you can consider subscribing to Wolfe's patreon to get all the info from the horse's mouth 🤷

It's like - if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[modern pebble]

Most of his stuff is experimentation from what I’ve seen

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, and Wolfe has skill piloting niche picks into a format.

Exeggutor is both niche and not great.

[modern pebble]

And it doesn’t guarantee you’ll win all the time with the teams he builds

[lofty tartan]

Correct. Play skill matters a great deal.

So does game knowledge and such

[modern pebble]

It’s more about how you approach a battle, not the pokemon you have

Strategy

[lofty tartan]

I took something Tofu once said pretty close to heart - if it can do damage it can take KOs, if it can take KOs it can win games.

[modern pebble]

Yeah!

[lofty tartan]

But there are things that make that goal a lot easier too

The pokemon you pick do matter, just not always as much as play skill. Knowledge, experience, and comfort can all add up to get you through a bad match up.

The more comfortable you are with a team, the more ease you'll have at finding your lines.

[mighty stump]

Pikachu >>>

[upbeat quail]

Exeggutor has been carrying its weight quite a bit

But I think that’s because people don’t know what it can or can’t do

[lofty tartan]

Surprise in CTS should never really be understated. Lol

I got bodied by a sunny day booster Spe Scream Tail the other day lmao. Not my finest hour

You gotta just laugh about those ones and walk away. My opp completely outplayed me at every step

[autumn vault]

Me too

It was tera fairy booster speed Tail spamming D gleam

[lofty tartan]

Mine was Howl/Sunny/Twave

[autumn vault]

Mine was d-gleam/trick room/protect

Idk the 4th move

[modern pebble]

This is a singles battle question but I have to ask, Mixed or physical iron valiant?

[willow vault]

Nvm it’s either a full blown physical attacker or it’s a setup special attacker, not usually mixed

Can be mixed if you want though

[modern pebble]

Hmm

I was running physical but was curious on the mixed how it was

[willow vault]

Just check up the Smogon suggested sets, they’ll be more use than me

[mild wolf]

Looking to make an offensive gyarados build. How do I get around the ×4 electric weakness?

[next stump]

are you playing singles or doubles?

[solid frigate]

did i miss something

[lofty tartan]

I've seen Tera Ground Tera Blast Gyarados in the past - was pretty crazy. Dunno how applicable it is right now, though

[bold geode]

It has plot armor, Pikachu best

[mild wolf]

Doubles

[mild wolf]

I love running tera ground gyarados with equake

[mighty stump]

I wouldnt, not with Waterpon/Rillaboom running around

Offensive Gyarados should just run Tera Fly Tera Blast

The electric weakness can be manageable

[solid frigate]

Based

[mild wolf]

Good point about the weaknesses to grass/ water.

[solid frigate]

yeah most Gyarados run Tera Flying for that

[mild wolf]

I see people run Ghost too. Any thoughts on that?

[rustic mountain]

y would i hear of something that doesnt really exist outside custom games

also seems like a weird set to have both

[upbeat quail]

Overheat should be a 100% accurate move

90% feels like 50%

Only when the hit matters

[next stump]

130 base power would be too crazy

[upbeat quail]

It already his a huge downside

[next stump]

yeah but OHKOing a pokemon at the cost of -2SpA is very worth in doubles

[mighty stump]

People have already started testing for potential restricted format, me included

i'm bored

Terapagos is goated

[mighty stump]

Nah, not really Ghost

I don't see what for

[livid vine]

Should I take 1 Attack IV Ursaluna-Bloodmoon or keep going for 0?

[mighty stump]

1 Attack is the same as 0 at level 50

[mild wolf]

Maybe for tera blast? Or blocking normal moves from others

[mighty stump]

Not as good as Tera Fly, not as relevant

[livid vine]

Oh okay so this is good then. Didn't get the 0 speed so maybe a Tailwind beneficial Ursa

[lofty tartan]

Do love me some Tera blast flying on Gyarados in this Ogerpon-filled meta

[autumn vault]

You know what i just realized? Tera ground might be more common in restricted format for another layer of safety vs Miraidon

[mighty stump]

Sounds like a terrible layer of safety when you can get Draco'd

[autumn vault]

The elctro drift is like 169 bp in electric terrain

I think it is 100 bp without electric terrain but i dont remember

[rustic mountain]

yea idk i jus think its jumping the gun in terms of where ppl are ranking things nd what not. i keep saying it but whether its single or double restricted changes a decent amount on how ppl r gna approach the format

[mighty stump]

Oh no, tier lists are stupid

[zinc perch]

which you guys think is better on araquanid endeavor or mirrorcoat

[molten oasis]

Why would you run either

[zinc perch]

isnt the build sticky web , leech life, liquidation and mirror/endeavour

[mighty stump]

Mirror Coat, most likely.

[zinc perch]

ok

[mighty stump]

What format is this?

[zinc perch]

i was about to just get toxic

[mighty stump]

What format is this?

[willow vault]

Reg K

[solid frigate]

so how long do i need to wait for the Reg G format confirmation-

[bold geode]

[next stump]

I think the announcement usually comes at 11PM EST so about 10 more hours

assuming they follow their normal schedule

[solid frigate]

ok so its midnight for me thank you

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[mild wolf]

Are there any estimates for what G is going to hold?

[next stump]

highest likelihood is single restricted pokemon allowed per team

[timber falcon]

wait its not guarenteed?

[timber falcon]

OH REG G IS TOMR????

I HEVENT EVEN COMPLETED PALFIN TEAM

[next stump]

No, the ruleset announcement is tomorrow

the format changes May 1st

[timber falcon]

Oh ok good

I have one month that’s should be enough, maybe…

[candid plover]

(Not flexing, also I switch her from scarlet to sword sometimes so her held item is gone) do you guys think I did good building my primarina? Also what position should she be in my team?

[timber falcon]

what rteam is it

[upbeat quail]

Lando-I is such a bitch to play against

[dapper crag]

https://pokepast.es/c5669ff3696a10c6 can someone help me with the last two pokemon of my sand team

[timber falcon]

also kinda wasted items making its atck hyper trained

[timber falcon]

lmaoo i feel u

[upbeat quail]

Doesn’t help that it is ugly as all hell

[timber falcon]

I kinda like its design

[upbeat quail]

I don’t know how to threaten it with my lead

Lol it’s ugly af

[autumn vault]

Minior is trash ngl

[timber falcon]

When building a team I just think ALWAYS about that MU, it has no right to have such good coverage

[dapper crag]

okidogi with ice punch one shots it and tera flying makes it immune to ground type and he cant gunk shot it

[timber falcon]

Most people will see through that very easily

[mild wolf]

One restricted mon. Hmmm that's interesting

[autumn vault]

Also why do you have 4 ground weaknesses with 4 members?

[dapper crag]

ive been having a little sucess with it against ogerpon and urshifu

[autumn vault]

Honestly if its a sand team i would reccomend to think the sand team better

[timber falcon]

Don’t use it…. There’s better, way better

[autumn vault]

4 ground weaknesses with 4 members is too bad

[timber falcon]

Isn’t monior there?

It’s 3 weaknesses

[autumn vault]

You can look at the sand team i built myself and take some inspiration

[dapper crag]

okok

[autumn vault]

Is it pure rock?

[dapper crag]

its flying

[timber falcon]

Rock flying

[autumn vault]

Oh right

Well Minior is kind of trash and without the team built around it, its even worse

Sand storm helps but not enough

[dapper crag]

sand makes it live raging bolt protosynthesis spa thunderclap

main reason i ran it

[timber falcon]

U ran minor to deal with bolt?

[dapper crag]

also makes it live +2 dazzling gleam

[timber falcon]

Just use a ground type or smth

[autumn vault]

There cant be sand and sun at the same time, unless its booster

[autumn vault]

Like excadrill who abuses sand or Landorus, whatever form it is it can deal with bolt

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

If you want to build the team around minior, i reccomend to give it a safer way to reach it's shell-less form

[timber falcon]

Btw why is Okidogi there?

[autumn vault]

Focus sash works great with it

Okidogi and heatran must go if you want sand and minior

Heatran specifically, okidogi can stay if it helps more than it hurts

[dapper crag]

okidogi just strong most matches

[timber falcon]

Against what

Does it act as a wall?

[dapper crag]

incineroar

[timber falcon]

Oh ok incin counter that makes sense

[autumn vault]

Clear amulet excadrill can abuse sand AND murder every incineroar in it's path

[timber falcon]

Well it can threaten incin

[autumn vault]

And incineroar will take a good chunk of damage from flare blitzing excadrill if it goes down

Which unless tera will never happen

I reccomend go with pokemon who can deal with ground types or have an immunity from ground and who can deal with water

Ogerpon wellspring seems like a good fit

[mighty stump]

I feel like this teambuilding process is flawed already

[timber falcon]

it is ive lost track

[solid frigate]

especially with Power Creep making Teambuilding one team only viable for 1 day

[timber falcon]

just remove the meteor theres better (yes im a hypocrite)

[autumn vault]

Remove Minior

In sand it will only cause issues

[mighty stump]

Also, very wrong

[autumn vault]

Tell that to my Weezing + Regigigas team that still performs very good

[timber falcon]

top 6 meta team

[solid frigate]

yeah i am not talking about this again-

[mighty stump]

I think for advising you guys might want to work on some of your teambuilding processes first

[timber falcon]

i just do coverage and MU

then im done

[mighty stump]

Gameplans?

[timber falcon]

literally never thought of this

i feel dumber everytime i talk here

lmao

[solid frigate]

same but i am dumber

[autumn vault]

I do Plans with the team, Mu's, coverage, testing, finding uses with niche pokemon, seek advice and that is about it

[mighty stump]

The only time you can depend purely on just coverage and somewhat thinking "oh i cover that MU" is when you're building certain balance forms

[timber falcon]

all my teams always end up balanced tbh

[autumn vault]

I second this

[mighty stump]

If all you do is that without actually utilising the options required to create a coverage-dependant team, you're just playing reactively

[mighty stump]

not "balanced"

Balance

The archetype

[timber falcon]

ohhh

[autumn vault]

Like FWG balance for example?

Fire Water Grass

[timber falcon]

yeah i just throw out what i got depending on what my opponent has

[mighty stump]

That's just called playing not to lose

[timber falcon]

oh so have i been doing things wrong?

now that i think about it, it does make sense

[mighty stump]

Rather than wrong, some fundamentals are missing

If you constantly react to what your opponent is doing rather than proactively setting up your own board and wincons

You're just letting them control the game

Might as well give them the controller

[timber falcon]

hmmm ok ill try and think of some game plans

like leads and whats in the back right? for example palafin activation

but wouldnt that cause some island mons

[autumn vault]

Btw if you want to use Minior dont use it with sand

[mighty stump]

Easiest concept of gameplans are TR/2-2-2 based teams which are linear and examplify this concept.

• You set-up certain leads that enable the rest of your team:
  TR does it via setting up that overwhelming speed control and hammer the team
  2-2-2 would create advantageous board states/reduce opponent resources to the point where they cannot deal with the closing pair

Balance does it by identifying a win-con/board state and positioning around that then anchoring to a point where either the opponent cannot break you or you're in a position to offensively overwhelm them

[timber falcon]

oh ive heard of 2-2-2 before, isnt that whats on paonite teams?

[autumn vault]

I legit never have seen a 2-2-2 team

At max it was 2-2-1-1

[timber falcon]

you havent seen the classic dozogiru, ogerglim and paonite???

[mighty stump]

Rather than viewing mons as 1 to 1 pieces that somewhat cover each other based off ONLY coverage/synergy, you think about the potential interactions they play off of and how they further enable each other.

[autumn vault]

Nope

[mighty stump]

2-2-2 doesn't have to be that specific set

It's still an archetype

Essentially, paired mons

It's just DozoGiri is classical of 2-2-2

[timber falcon]

ik but its the one i specifically remember for some reason

[autumn vault]

When i used Dozogiri i had both, moon, glimm, hearthflame and gholdengo

[mighty stump]

How these also function affects the team dynamic as a whole as well. There is a reason why Urshifu/Boom/Incineroar function so well as a scaffold to enable a lot of teams.

[mild wolf]

If 1 restricted mon is added, y'all think the reg will be crazy?

[mighty stump]

Not really

[timber falcon]

it will be a big change yeah

[mighty stump]

It's just a major change

[autumn vault]

Big, but not crazy

[mighty stump]

Like anything, it will settle.

[timber falcon]

i just hope the already broken legends dont run loose with tera

[mild wolf]

True ^

Who's broken?

[solid frigate]

i have to still ask drago for the Tornadus-

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c8a152d3f6c43ad6 btw tofu does this team have a gameplan that can wokr? im still tryna understand the concept

[mighty stump]

Best to kill the thoughts thinking about broken/overpowered. It's pretty much unproductive and just play with the hand we're dealt.

Nothing you can do about it anyways

[timber falcon]

i think almost all are in their own right. but some like calyrex and the dogs + the gen 9 ones gap

[mighty stump]

See conceptually you'd be identifying who the wincons are.

• If you see an opening to close with Palafin then you need to set them up early. Automatically you'd open with Palafin then decide your desired board state relative to the opponents

For example, you see Water-weak team without Raging Bolt/Waterpon

If they have Bolt/Waterpon you just need to figure out a way to deal with those mons and break the way for something like Palafin.

[timber falcon]

when you say "set up early" does this mean palafin can be put the back in some games?

[mighty stump]

Rarely, I wouldn't

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[mighty stump]

The concern with this version of balance that doesn't hard threaten other versions of Raging Bolt is that now you're depending on your own Bolt to pave the way

[dapper crag]

if i wanted to build around minior without sand should i fwg?

[timber falcon]

yeah ive noticed this. i tend to struggle against gouging/bolt

[mighty stump]

If you want to build around Minior you need to consider what it can do first.

[autumn vault]

I never had experience with minior so idk

[mighty stump]

What are the strengths and weaknesses based off it's moveset/ability

What can you do to magnify the strengths and minimse the weaknesses

[dapper crag]

okok

Ability: Shields Down

If this Pokemon is a Minior, it changes to its Core forme if it has 1/2 or less of its maximum HP, and changes to Meteor Form if it has more than 1/2 its maximum HP. This check is done on switch-in and at the end of each turn. While in its Meteor Form, it cannot become affected by a non-volatile status condition or Yawn.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Minior's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bulldoze, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Explosion, Facade, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Self-Destruct, Stone Edge, Tackle, Take Down, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Power Gem, Psychic, Scorching Sands, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Defense Curl, Endure, Gravity, Light Screen, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Shell Smash, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Minior.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[autumn vault]

I would go sash for this

[mighty stump]

At most you can do Shell Smash/White Herb.

[autumn vault]

And invest to survive surging strikes

[mighty stump]

Shell Smash/Dazzling Gleam/Power Gem/Earth Popwer or Protect.

Recommended to pair with redirection.

Due to set-up natuer

[dapper crag]

shell smash white herb is good when it works but intimidate makes it go away and kinda messes it up

so i can never lead it

[mighty stump]

Doesn't really change your plan

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2093065389-7dtene3k2yd0fa0b508xc07872785pxpw ok so tofu i tried out some leads like palafin incin with rilla in the back and shifu as a clean up, am i doing this right?

[autumn vault]

Palafin is bulky af, it took that HH tera fairy D-Gleam from fucker mane

[timber falcon]

fr i expected a loss when i saw HH

but its very nice to know

oh ive actually been doing well now

[dapper crag]

why spA over atk

[timber falcon]

this used to be 7:5

[solid frigate]

F

[timber falcon]

its been a rough ride 😭

literally took a 2 day break from all forms of pokemon cause i was dreading watching the team fail

and rn ima end it on a good note

[mighty stump]

Cause you're concerned about Intimidate anyways

Plus at least you have spread in DGleam

Rock Slide is alright but again, intim concerns

[dapper crag]

makes sense

would you still go a tera like grass for defense or ground to make you immune to your electric weakness but you still are weak to water

but then you could go ogerpon wellspring and follow me

[dapper crag]

https://pokepast.es/8b7fcc9930c2abd2 im 7/1 with this currently

[dapper crag]

but im thinking i go sun to run some stronger mons to compliment minior and stronger fire to threaten ice types tera ground for electric moves and sun makes water not a problem

[foggy lodge]

Tera ground is usually bad

I think tera steel could work better on Minior, you lose 3 of your weaknesses, Fire and fighting types are threatened by your rock and flying stab

[dapper crag]

thank you

[chrome knot]

tera fire incin(?)

[real prairie]

@mighty stump https://youtu.be/eCf9MyADyCs?si=GYjKJeZQetmqo7B0

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Trust the process, trust in Blaze Incineroar lmao

[chrome knot]

right

[burnt trail]

Im trying to do gen 9 national dex Ubers with only bugs on pokemon showdown
any team suggestions?

[chrome knot]

[craggy dagger]

i’ve come across 10 overgrow rilla-

[foggy lodge]

How

In pikalytics i saw that Rillaboom uses grassy surge 100% of the times

[timber falcon]

For me 0.27 do it

Overgrow

[rustic mountain]

based

[bold geode]

Mr Tree

Hello

[dull ibex]

hello everyone

[lofty tartan]

[dull ibex]

the former mister sapling?

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is so good

[dull ibex]

this is me about raging bolt

[solid frigate]

Or both cuz i love them both

[dull ibex]

I havent used arch

[solid frigate]

Its very good

[bold geode]

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1774575387898470840?t=xt8ftAnix38ElyooEKblyg&s=19
Reg G confirmed now as single restricted

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) on X

Serebii Update: The Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Ranked Battle Regulation G ruleset has been officially revealed. Allows for 1 Restricted Pokémon per team

Details being added @ https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

Twitter · Mar 31, 2024, 11:11 PM

[solid frigate]

Terapagos,You're up

Also Ogerpon being in the banner feels off cuz she is not restricted-

[lofty tartan]

Previous regulation banners had nothing to do with the ruleset - just cool images.

[true niche]

what tier will terapagos will be?

[lofty tartan]

There are no tiers in VGC

[solid frigate]

its not smogon

that does not stop me for using Terapagos

[true niche]

will Terapagos be competitively viable?

[lofty tartan]

Probably. But we know exactly the same information regarding that now that we did two months ago.

[solid frigate]

I can see it be very good

[true niche]

oh i didnt know it can remove field effects:

[lofty tartan]

Yes. Once.

[solid frigate]

Kyogre needs to wait for 2 restricted so Terapagos is gonna be my main restricted

[true niche]

very situational

[lofty tartan]

Terapagos' ability will only trigger when it teras, and only once per battle. So you can reset terrain and weather in the typical ways

[solid frigate]

At least Terapagos is Bulky af

[lofty tartan]

Terapagos requires a tera to become a snowballing powerhouse, so you lose the option most times for defensive or offensive teras for your other 5

So there's opportunity cost there to running it.

[solid frigate]

i get it,i know this

[lofty tartan]

I wasn't specifically instructing you on this at all.

I was trying to be informative to the person asking about Terapagos being competively viable, and these are important things to note if you're asking something like that.

[solid frigate]

[dull ibex]

It's official 1 restricted

[true niche]

tubers making tier lists on the restricted

[lofty tartan]

I agree with this, honestly. Especially early.

[next stump]

ayyy we got the rules nice

[rustic mountain]

yoyo

[next stump]

hopefully showdown is updated soon

[lofty tartan]

Should be.

[rustic mountain]

finally

[bold geode]

Now to show you the worry I've been trying to show you

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[solid frigate]

oh boi.

[warped mason]

Anyone got a potential koraidon walking wake team for regulation G?

[rustic mountain]

dude it jus got announced

[lofty tartan]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

nobody has shit

[solid frigate]

lemme get my Terapagos in Peace lol

[bold geode]

Anyways
I know we got new Reg announced but
Hopefully in a few days, I'll have my last Reg F post out

[warped mason]

Did not know it just got announced

[lofty tartan]

Like I got pinged in literally four servers about the announcement at the same time, and this is the second server I'm in that people are already asking for teams and tiers

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Give it a minute, yo. xD

[solid frigate]

i'm just here to prep lol

[next stump]

I feel like this ruleset soft confirms that all of 2024-2025 season will be double restricted

[rustic mountain]

gotcha, didnt mean to be harsh its jus like, theres no format really yet for teams to be circulating for

id recommend putting something together urself and testing it if u think it has potential

[lofty tartan]

Pretty much. Funny thing is that Gen 9 has been pretty accelerated with how Regulations are progressing, but also have been insanely dummy predictable

[rustic mountain]

either that or rotating formats like series 7 and 9 and 8 and 11 in swsh

[solid frigate]

welp i think its about to get down quick, i just hope Gen 9's Restricted Format is as chaotic like Gen 8

[karmic temple]

Restricted incoming lfg time to make my return

[bold geode]

Idk people were on the fence about D

[bold geode]

Is that the Incineroar's husband himself?

[solid frigate]

wait what.

[lofty tartan]

People were on the fence about E and F too, but the fence was a bunch of crazy things. Each time I saw "WE'RE GETTING SPIKEMUTH CUP 2 THERE'S NO WAY SUCH AND SUCH" yet we got the predicted such and such anyway.

[solid frigate]

[rustic mountain]

i mean yea the regs have been fairly predicatable but wat else u want em to do? id say its jus making formats longer instead of the 1-2 months weve had for some

[lofty tartan]

I'm not using predictable as a negative term.

[rustic mountain]

oh ok

[lofty tartan]

It just means it was pretty easy to see the writing on the wall. It's not an inherently negative term anyway 🤷

[solid frigate]

imagine this format is as Chaotic like SWSH

[karmic temple]

HIS HUSBAND HAS RETURNED

[lofty tartan]

It's good to have something like this predictable anyway so you can at least do some early prep. I've been playing Groudon for a month 🤷

[rustic mountain]

no its not jus how it was phrased i interpreted it different, i get wat ur saying tho i jus dont see a problem either with it. like reg g was the only format we didnt really know if it was 1 or 2 tho ppl had their assumptions

[solid frigate]

thats.... questionable-

[rustic mountain]

yea personally i dont like playin formats i dont know wat they r gna be

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I felt all the speculation about 2 was way too fast. Why skip over Single Restricted and go right to the hot and heavy when we've had a steady progression upwards so far? 😄

[rustic mountain]

i agree

[bold geode]

Your husband has been popping off

[karmic temple]

Excuse u, u don’t know the love we share and the vgc experiences we have gone thru together

[lofty tartan]

It's best to just ignore Monke and his courting

:]

[bold geode]

Huh

[lofty tartan]

Courting.

[karmic temple]

Ik I been keeping up with regionals so proud of my catman

[bold geode]

Sorry, I haven't seen man's in a minute

[rustic mountain]

u only play restricted formats?

[solid frigate]

Me who gets PTSD on it: i don't think thats the case for me

[rustic mountain]

incin is cool

[karmic temple]

Naw I just got tired of this regulation

[rustic mountain]

way too much hate for a mon that keeps actual broken stuff in check

[bold geode]

Also for context, it's a joke, his nickname here was once "Incineroar's husband"

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[solid frigate]

i did not hate it,actually i used it in my prep, i just have PTSD on it

[solid frigate]

wait lol-

[rustic mountain]

ahah well incin can be annoying

[karmic temple]

Very annoying

[rustic mountain]

but incin is a homie

[karmic temple]

But such a good husband 😌

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-incineroar-pokemon-gif-15005636

[rustic mountain]

lol

incin parting shotting out for the 3rd time

[solid frigate]

i lost to an Incineroar as Greninja in Smash (Revenge Cheese) and i realised how annoying he is in Competitve Pokemon i just completely loss

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Pain, Absolute PAIN

[atomic mural]

Incineroar really can do everything

[solid frigate]

he make me have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-incineroar-cat-hurry-food-please-gif-13530281

[solid frigate]

i need to master Incin Pivot damn

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-real-incineroar-gif-23132346

[bold geode]

I somewhat got it down? It's not the easiest

[solid frigate]

Yeah that the thing,i want it to support my team more

[bold geode]

Incin Rilla go hard

[solid frigate]

sadly i use Ogerpon instead of Rillaboom ;-;

[bold geode]

Incin Rilla Urshifu crazy

[warped mason]

Evs are iffy but i was thinking of something like this for regulation G. Thoughts?

[solid frigate]

i just realised by WIP Reg G team has two Alola Starters lol

[wet wedge]

So today we learn that under the right conditions, Chi-Yu can 1 shot Tera Water + Ice Scales Frosmoth from full with a Fire move

Gamefreak isn't real man.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-pokemon-speech-bubble-torkoal-gif-17904128452003247135

[wet wedge]

I've seen it 1 shot a Blissey from full before

[solid frigate]

Alright i am fine with the Green text

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu Moment

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[wet wedge]

Also seen it 1 shot SpDef Toxapex, but that's like a low chance

25% roll iirc

[solid frigate]

Yep

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-14179780042567038360

[upbeat quail]

Oh fuuuck I need to start team building for Reg G

It’s a real shame that a lot of mythicals are restricted 😦

[rustic mountain]

yes

cant wait for zacian to be added onto that now

[cosmic warren]

lol I just want to play zacian 😂

[upbeat quail]

What kind of set do y’all think you’d run on zacian?

[solid frigate]

Behemoth Blade,Play Rough,Scared Sword/Close Combat/Swords Dance/Protect?

i need to see Drago's Zacian

[lofty tartan]

He's shown it to you before, right? Cause I have it.

[solid frigate]

i think he ran 2 stab Moves Plus SD and Protect

[lofty tartan]

Yeah he's running SD.

[solid frigate]

yea with the nerf of the ablity,make sense

[lofty tartan]

Also because Drago prefers pretty bulky builds in general, so it makes sense where he's losing damage initially. I think it just aligns with his playstyle a lot more 😄

SD Zacian is likely gonna be pretty good though

[azure ether]

Zacian still good outside dmax format?

[lofty tartan]

Zacian is still very good.

[solid frigate]

i mean i don't blame him,everyone have Different Playstyle

[lofty tartan]

Steel/Fairy sorta cracked. 🤷

[cosmic warren]

What about wild charge in case of kyogre?

[solid frigate]

Drago Actually help me build my Terapagos

[solid frigate]

Kyogre is still gonna be the Prime Rain setter

[bold geode]

Fuck the green is hurting my eyes

[lofty tartan]

Use Raging Bolt.

[solid frigate]

its april fools let that sink in

[bold geode]

The sink is an asshole, I don't want him in my house

[solid frigate]

PFFT

also does every think that Groudon and Koraidon are gonna compete their position as sun setters

[bold geode]

@dull haven you really wanna make an April Fools joke, gimme fake comp helper role LMFAO

[solid frigate]

LOL-

[lofty tartan]

Probably not. Koraidon boosts Flutter Mane, he's 4x weak to her, and Groudon is slower so he competes with Kyogre better. I don't think they're going to directly compete as "sole sun setter"

Boosting your biggest enemy is not a good deal.

[solid frigate]

make sense

[bold geode]

Idk
How many times I've said this

[lofty tartan]

I don't think there's gonna be a singular sun-setter anyway. I think Koraidon is sort of a different niche than Groudon, but they both set sun. Sort of like Harcanine and Incin.

Both Intimidate but both don't do the same thing exactly. One is clearly more offensive and pushes into different matchups.

I think Koraidon is cool though? I think maybe less strong than Miraidon if talking just the box legends for Gen 9

[solid frigate]

so its kinda like Rivaling but they both have Niche in some way?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I think they're both gonna do stuff. Sun is a strong archetype.

Personally I think Groudon may be a bit stronger.

Thing is built like a 747

[solid frigate]

i might need to know how can i play around,Cuz i will use Kyogre in 2 Restricted cuz i want to use Terapagos

[lofty tartan]

Frankly I think Kyogre is in trouble because Groudon/Bolt is really scary.

And Waterpon exists.

Even if you fail to get Sun, and Rain happens, you have to deal with Raging Bolt.

[solid frigate]

it is pretty bad ik, idk i have other options like Miraidon (But i made te competitve Miraidon as Ride Miraidon

[lofty tartan]

Miraidon is gonna go off.

There's always a way; I don't think Kyogre is in a position where it's gonna get hated out of the meta - look at Urshifu and Waterpon/Bolt. He didn't go anywhere and those things are a huge problem for him.

[solid frigate]

i can make it Tera Grass

sacrifice Damage for Protection

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean Tera definitely changes things

[solid frigate]

if i did not bring Terapagos that is lol

[lofty tartan]

I don't specifically like tera being my answer exclusively? Like... I think that in order for me to have an advantageous position in this common matchup I have to tera this one thing 100% of the time seems pretty bleak, or like a non-answer, rather.

There will be those cases where you can't do that, and you end up auto-losing or something

Not saying that's what you're specifically doing, just food for thought.

[dapper crag]

Bro there's gonna be no battles for a whole month

[lofty tartan]

What?

[solid frigate]

nani

[lofty tartan]

Reg F goes until the end of April.

[dapper crag]

Whst

[solid frigate]

Regulation F is still here

[dapper crag]

Ohh I thought it started then

[dapper crag]

Wait

[lofty tartan]

Reg G doesn't start til May.

[dapper crag]

Are u talking abt sv or shoedown

[lofty tartan]

Both?

[solid frigate]

Yeah Both

[dapper crag]

Whem is it starting in sv

[lofty tartan]

Later tonight. Season is changing over.

[dapper crag]

Are u sure cuz it says starts on May 1 wed

Or does it end then

[lofty tartan]

Let me load up BS for a second and look at what you're looking at.

[dapper crag]

I'm on sv

[lofty tartan]

Yeah BS like Battle Stadium

[dapper crag]

Ohh

Check it it says may

Hello?

[lofty tartan]

Okay there's no date information regarding thatt in Battle Stadium. This was ranked season 16.

We're going into Ranked Season 17 which should start in a few hours.

[dapper crag]

Am I reading it wrong or sum

[lofty tartan]

Regulation G starts May 1.

[dapper crag]

Yes that

[lofty tartan]

Tomorrow is April 1st.

[dapper crag]

So no comp for a month

[lofty tartan]

Regulation F is still going until May 1.

No. You are reading it wrong.

If Regulation G starts May 1st and Regulation F goes until April 30th, and tomorrow is April 1st, we still have one month of Regulation F before Regulation G starts.

Which means we have one month of Regulation F battles.

[solid frigate]

after that i have to make My Ogerpon Hearthflame

[lofty tartan]

Like if Regulation F ended today, and Regulation G doesn't start til May 1st, I am worried about what the folks at EUIC are gonna do 👀

Gen 4 Randoms.

Actually I'd like to see that.

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm

[lofty tartan]

No that'd be cool.

Weeeeell time to brew with Kyurem-W

[mighty stump]

Restricted Meta confirmed

[lofty tartan]

Yup

Too many neat things to mess with

[solid frigate]

let him COOK

[mighty stump]

Now I have actually good content to write about again

[solid frigate]

i still don't understand why Kyurem does not change its type after fusing with Reshiram or Zekrom

Like Necrozma did that,why not Kyurem

(Ik Necrozma is Gen 7 don't at me)

[lofty tartan]

I'm okay with it. We get a snow boost and stab Blizzards.

Tera Fire Fusion Flare. Daka daka daka

[solid frigate]

oh yeah tera makes Kyurem white's Game Plan more eaiser

and with Gen 9 snow makes it easy

[lofty tartan]

Unsure of item selection. Vest in Snow seems pretty spicy, but Choice Specs and Lorb are good too

[solid frigate]

Yeah

I think Vest if you want to use Bulky Kyurem White

Specs or Lorb for Offensive

[lofty tartan]

He's got pretty exceptional natural bulk.

[valid widget]

what is a good tera type for hisuian zoroark

[solid frigate]

i actually saw that bulk when i made the Restricted Legendary Video

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Turboblaze Tera Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 204-240 (122.1 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Hmmmm.....

[valid widget]

i was considering fairy tera because of its only weakness to dark type

[lofty tartan]

That's with a Vest.

[valid widget]

but then its just useless

[solid frigate]

DAMN.

[valid widget]

so either poison or steel

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 204-240 (122.1 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Specs doesn't need Tera.

[solid frigate]

what is your EVs BTW

[lofty tartan]

It's nothing complex. 252/252/4 spA/spe/spD

[solid frigate]

wait thats Kyurem white why its only 4 Spa

oh wait

[lofty tartan]

No those are max/max spA/spe

[solid frigate]

nvm i am dumb

[lofty tartan]

I listed it in a respective order xD

Yeah just a really standard thing. Nothing wrong with max/max

[foggy lodge]

i'm going to do what i do anytime a new regulation start

Wait and copy teams

Early meta is a phase i always prefer skipping so yeah

[solid frigate]

holy shit 170 Defense in Snow

[lofty tartan]

I've been having fun with Groudon for awhile playing what we thought was gonna be Reg G, and is now confirmed. Gonna just check some other stuff.

[solid frigate]

around

[lofty tartan]

I've already gotten that Groudon/Flutter face time

[solid frigate]

Me and Drago when Double Restricted is Up

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-kyogre-and-groudon-water-vs-ground-water-pokemon-ground-pokemon-gif-17939730

[rustic mountain]

lugia post wen

[solid frigate]

i honestly don't know if Lugia is gonna be Stall in VGC

[foggy lodge]

This is not a fair battle😭😭

[rustic mountain]

yea idk i dont see much for it outside calm mind stuff w/ tera

[lofty tartan]

Yes it is xD

Groudon/Raging Bolt are bffs. This is VGC

[solid frigate]

[lofty tartan]

Or it's Sparta. I forget which.

[solid frigate]

welp time to play it around

[foggy lodge]

Anyways this is my first time in a restricted regulation

I didn't play the restricteds in sw/sh

[solid frigate]

2nd time,cuz Sun and Moon,I skipped Gen 6 because its too chaos

[warped mason]

so excited to use walking wake + koraidon

[solid frigate]

i skipped Gen 8 as awhole

[foggy lodge]

It was baaaad

[solid frigate]

Its too Chaotic

Zacian is Too Strong and Not to mention all Gen 8 Legendary (Except Zamazenta and Regidrago) are Busted

[foggy lodge]

Still the thing i like the most about restricteds is that restricted Pokémon are more recompensive to the best player if you them good

[solid frigate]

agreed

[foggy lodge]

Time to not pick my legendary Pokémon in the team preview!!

[solid frigate]

LOL

[foggy lodge]

Gen 8 is the most disgusting gen in terms of power creep

[solid frigate]

but seriously i am playing Hard mode cuz Terapagos is definently my Tera so i am super linear and Predictable

[foggy lodge]

Literally almost everything outclassed an already existing Pokémon

[warped mason]

thoughts on this team here? ev's are a work in progress

[foggy lodge]

Regieleki outclassed Deoxys Speed in it's only exclusive thing

[solid frigate]

Gen 9:

[foggy lodge]

And hit like a truck

Zacian i don't even need to talk about it

[solid frigate]

you can use it in Gen 8 lol

[warped mason]

lmao did not realize that

[solid frigate]

welp its gonna be in lots of team so prepare

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex Ice has a spread move with 120 base power of ice type with 100 accuracy

[solid frigate]

I am just stuck with Terapagos,cuz i am not comfortable using Electric Terrain and Sun always counter bby rain.

[lofty tartan]

These are strong points, but by no means makes the mons unbeatable.

[foggy lodge]

And Kyurem has a 130 base power ice type that it's not spread, 90 accuracy and also has to charge

[solid frigate]

Its literally a blueprint for Terapagos's Signature move lol

at least tera'd

[solid frigate]

thats a move that is balanced

[foggy lodge]

Also grassy glide had 70 base power

fucking dlc move

[lofty tartan]

Okay?

Grassy Glide got nerfed in Gen 9.

So did Zacian.

[solid frigate]

and its still good for both

[lofty tartan]

Yeah - Gen 8 is over and done - no use lamenting on those past sorrows going into Reg G in Gen 9. Different format, new mons, Tera mechanic, stuff and things 🤷

No more double hp monsters. Regieleki is pretty bad right now.

[solid frigate]

regidrago:FINALLY HE'S TRASH

[karmic temple]

Didn’t he win a regional 🧐

Or get top 4/8

[foggy lodge]

I think it ended second place

[solid frigate]

i think in restricted format i think ik regieleki is good in that time

[lofty tartan]

What, Regieleki?

[foggy lodge]

Both

[lofty tartan]

Just on a surface check - Regieleki has had zero 2024 regional top 8 finishes. Regidrago has had multiple.

At least so far in NA

Regieleki also zero in EU

https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-season-calendar/

They're all right here. Just gotta load up each event standing individually.

[foggy lodge]

Huh

I think i saw a Regieleki finish second in a japan tournament

[lofty tartan]

Not sure, but Japanese tournaments are also pretty small in comparison to Regional events off the island. I don't have any standings for those right off the cuff

Right now, though, Regieleki is sitting at a .90% usage rate, compared to Regidrago at 3.39%. Dynamax being gone really changed Eleki's life around

[foggy lodge]

Deserved

I really it could end up being an unhealthy mon

[solid frigate]

LOL

[lofty tartan]

He's got insane speed, but poor coverage, no bulk, and he's a one trick pony

[solid frigate]

true

[lofty tartan]

A stiff breeze ends him.

[solid frigate]

and Even Offensive is kinda in limbo, 100 SPa

[foggy lodge]

100 in both attacks is bad

[lofty tartan]

I remember the first time I met Regieleki after Home transfer - it went Tera Ice into my Tera Water Landorus-T, clicked Tera Blast, failed to KO, and died to Rock Slide.

[foggy lodge]

The thing that carried it's damage was his ability

But now that it's nerfed

[lofty tartan]

The thing that mostly carried Eleki was being able to double his HP and hide behind max airstream, pretty sure

[solid frigate]

yeah 130 Spa after boost

[foggy lodge]

Also lost a consistent way to set up electric terrain to boost it's damage

[solid frigate]

thats gotta be one of the massive nerfs for a Pokemon besides Darkrai

[lofty tartan]

It went down from 50% to 30% - still a free Life Orb with no drawback 🤷

It just does poorly into a Tera meta with a bunch of stuff that threatens it in and out of Tera.

[foggy lodge]

Regieleki pratically played with a tera in gen 8

[solid frigate]

its alright,but only electric attacks,but no electric Terrain and air stream is kinda a massive nerf

Heck i see someone ran explosion regueleki

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't really call "losing a previous gens mechanics" a massive nerf. Everything lost those mechanics, and a lot of things were much much better with Dynamax coughCoalossalcough

[solid frigate]

Tera Water Coalossal moment

[foggy lodge]

Glastrier also

[lofty tartan]

Glastrier has found some success on TR teams in Gen 9. Good bulk, good attack, good ability, good coverage, poor defensive typing saved by Tera mechanic 🤷

[solid frigate]

yeah

[warped mason]

glastier under aurora veil sounds scary

[lofty tartan]

Also the buff to snow has helped a lot of ice types to flourish where they were mostly bad in previous gens,.

[solid frigate]

alolan Ninetails Glastrier team when

[warped mason]

might unironically happen

[lofty tartan]

I don't like Glastrier with A9. Too slow.

[cyan smelt]

alolan ninetales kyurem-white

[lofty tartan]

Glastier is better in TR. 100%

[foggy lodge]

It sound good but you have to choose between setting up tr or aurora veil

[solid frigate]

true... is there another snow setter that is not abombasnow

[lofty tartan]

No

[solid frigate]

ok abombasnow it is

[cyan smelt]

slowking

[lofty tartan]

[warped mason]

specs tera ice blizzard from that behemoth is scary

[lofty tartan]

Yeeah there's Chilly Reception. It's cute.

Like it's good for a youtube video.

[solid frigate]

that name is just so funny-

[lofty tartan]

The move itself is hilariously great.

[solid frigate]

i swear i have to give Gamefreak credit for the joke

[lofty tartan]

It's like a pun made reality.

Cartoon gimmicks xD

"The reception to that joke was so chilly, it started snowing. It snowed, insiiiiiide!" - Jerry Seinfeld probably

[cyan smelt]

slowking is goated

[foggy lodge]

LUNALA HAS EXPANDING??

[lofty tartan]

Actually I'm curious about something here

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

the thing i was surprised about is caly-ice gets close combat now

doesn't have to fear incin anymore

[solid frigate]

thats actually terrifying

[cyan smelt]

or steel types

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

caly-i in tr is gonna be terrifying

[lofty tartan]

It's had High Horsepower too.

[solid frigate]

it make sense cuz its a horse

[cyan smelt]

and it's got a buddy in farigiraf so you can't fake it out anymore

i'm pretty sure it also has SD

[solid frigate]

Oh boi... Calyrex Ice+Slowking+Farigiraf sounds terrifying

[cyan smelt]

clear amulet caly-i too

[lofty tartan]

Slowking probably less-so. Ogerpon puts quite a hurt on that thing.

[solid frigate]

Horn leech or wood hammer

[lofty tartan]

Also Raging Bolt

[cyan smelt]

but galarian slowking also learns chilly reception

[lofty tartan]

Both?

[foggy lodge]

Ok so i made meteor beam Lunala with expanding force and Indeedee

Would it work?

[solid frigate]

thank god i have Raging Bolt at the last second

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[solid frigate]

Bruh shut up rotom

[solid frigate]

definently. sucker punch does not work to rip Lunala

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it learns Chilly Reception - you just run the risk of getting hit when you try to go for Chilly Reception and getting KO'd, or Taunted, or etc.

[pallid hare]

it had close combat back in SWSH

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah galarian slowking doesn't have oblivious

[foggy lodge]

I remember in gen 8 Lunala could even take astral barrages from Calyrex Shadow

Sucker punch can't kill it

[solid frigate]

Shadow shield is so good

[cyan smelt]

dark types and steel types are gonna fear caly-i

[foggy lodge]

And you can't fake out it to break the ability

[lofty tartan]

Slowking is quite niche, and honestly Ninetales is the better snow-setter. Glastrier doesn't need AV - if you're trying to sweep in TR, you're trying to control speed tiers so you always move first and take big KOs

Setting up Aurora Veil to try and increase Glastrier's bulk is just extra steps and adding additional moving parts to support it.

[solid frigate]

unless you double on the Lunala,but risking of TR

[foggy lodge]

Only think would be uhh

U-turn inci to make Rillaboom enter the field, set grassy terrain and astral barrage

No forget it

[solid frigate]

i actually thinking of Running Lunala but Terapagos just make me want to use it more

[foggy lodge]

Lunala has always been my favorite legendary so i want to use it

Please be good😔

I don't think is going to be the most meta legendary but i trust in Lunala to be good

[solid frigate]

Giratina is My favourite but its trash in VGC so i use the second favourite so its Terapagos

Lunala in 3rd for me

i want to use Terapagos cuz its new and good

[cyan smelt]

i want to use koraidon but it's a tera hog

[pastel blade]

What time does reg g start

[solid frigate]

same with Terapagos

[solid frigate]

May 1st

[foggy lodge]

Ok so

I want to run 5 moves on Lunala😭

[solid frigate]

what moves?

[foggy lodge]

Wide Guard, Trick Room, Meteor Beam, Expanding force, Moongeist Beam

Which one should i drop?

[lofty tartan]

Trick Room.

[craggy dagger]

the only normal chat thank god-

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/6c5f7d9fe6e7f070

This is what i made for now

[cyan smelt]

holy hell tera fighting caly-s hits hard

[lofty tartan]

That team is soooooo weak to any dark mon.

Like Single Strike Urshifu would have a field day with those 4

[solid frigate]

Mono psychic team rn lol

[lofty tartan]

I'd say go with either Lunala or Crown. Two Expanding Force sweepers and 4 psychic mons is hyper linear and extremely easy to get around

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i was seeing

The iron moth team in the Vancouver regional, i wanted to use it as a base for the team

[lofty tartan]

The Crown Psyspam with the TR mode Ursa/Gallade. Yeah. Brandon Davis is a really good TR player so I can't really speak to him using that strategy, in all honest evaluation.

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/49dac0caa5f25c98

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/474f2286b228c861

[lofty tartan]

It's a lot of psychic mons, even if looking at 3, and will take some good positioning with Kingambit/Chien-Pao/Incineroar/Caly-S around.

Honestly while I've enjoyed Crown for all of Reg F, Astral Barrage is a big problem for him

I think he's going to get... less good, coming up.

Precipice Blades is no bueno, too. 😐

[craggy dagger]

do you think supersweet precipice blades will be paired together?

[lofty tartan]

Probably not.

[foggy lodge]

I didn't know what move to add for the fourth slot of Ursaluna so i just added taunt

[craggy dagger]

dance dance

[foggy lodge]

Probably there's a better move of coverage, i have to search

[lofty tartan]

Brandon Davis ran Earthquake on his team.

[craggy dagger]

or just run earthquake

[cyan smelt]

isn't caly-i slower than ursaluna